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1929 Official TX Map Shows US 81 Passing Through Gainesville
« on: January 21, 2022, 09:34:09 PM »

There is currently a 1929 Official TX Map on Ebay. It shows US 81 on its current route going north from Fort Worth, but also shows it running up SH 10 to Denton (No mention of US 377, which was assigned to this section in 1930). From Denton, it shows US 81 combining with US 77 north through Gainesville to the Red River. US 81 is also shown heading SW out of Ft Worth on SH 10 (now US 377). In addition, also shows SH 40 heading northeast out of Denton towards Pilot Point. This highway was first numbered SH 24 (the E-W highway through Denton County was SH 39 at the time), later becoming SH 10, which it remained for a long time. I'm wondering what's up with these designations being shown on highways I've never seen them on before.

1929 TX Highway Map: https://www.ebay.com/itm/313840919504?hash=item49126063d0:g:3m4AAOSw5F1h6KMJ
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Re: 1929 Official TX Map Shows US 81 Passing Through Gainesville
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2022, 09:56:50 PM »

Might want to check the AASHTO Database, the answer you seek probably is there.
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Re: 1929 Official TX Map Shows US 81 Passing Through Gainesville
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2022, 11:01:01 PM »

There is currently a 1929 Official TX Map on Ebay. It shows US 81 on its current route going north from Fort Worth, but also shows it running up SH 10 to Denton (No mention of US 377, which was assigned to this section in 1930). From Denton, it shows US 81 combining with US 77 north through Gainesville to the Red River. US 81 is also shown heading SW out of Ft Worth on SH 10 (now US 377). In addition, also shows SH 40 heading northeast out of Denton towards Pilot Point. This highway was first numbered SH 24 (the E-W highway through Denton County was SH 39 at the time), later becoming SH 10, which it remained for a long time. I'm wondering what's up with these designations being shown on highways I've never seen them on before.

1929 TX Highway Map: https://www.ebay.com/itm/313840919504?hash=item49126063d0:g:3m4AAOSw5F1h6KMJ

Being that it correctly shows US81 coming out of Ft Worth (symbol just north of Decatur), it could simply be an error showing it north of Gainesville.
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Re: 1929 Official TX Map Shows US 81 Passing Through Gainesville
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2022, 12:26:33 AM »

There is currently a 1929 Official TX Map on Ebay. It shows US 81 on its current route going north from Fort Worth, but also shows it running up SH 10 to Denton (No mention of US 377, which was assigned to this section in 1930). From Denton, it shows US 81 combining with US 77 north through Gainesville to the Red River. US 81 is also shown heading SW out of Ft Worth on SH 10 (now US 377). In addition, also shows SH 40 heading northeast out of Denton towards Pilot Point. This highway was first numbered SH 24 (the E-W highway through Denton County was SH 39 at the time), later becoming SH 10, which it remained for a long time. I'm wondering what's up with these designations being shown on highways I've never seen them on before.

1929 TX Highway Map: https://www.ebay.com/itm/313840919504?hash=item49126063d0:g:3m4AAOSw5F1h6KMJ

The Texas Minute order files for these roads will PROBABLY have them . I don't have the link in front of me of me right now, but it has been mentioned in SEVERAL posts on this forum.
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Re: 1929 Official TX Map Shows US 81 Passing Through Gainesville
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2022, 01:57:57 PM »

Might want to check the AASHTO Database, the answer you seek probably is there.
It's not.

Here's a better scan of the map: http://cartweb.geography.ua.edu/lizardtech/iserv/calcrgn?cat=North%20America%20and%20United%20States&item=States/Texas/Texas1929a.sid&style=default/view.xsl
I would guess that it's an error.
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Re: 1929 Official TX Map Shows US 81 Passing Through Gainesville
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2022, 02:21:02 PM »

Error is quite likely…it has US 66 entirely wrong.
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Re: 1929 Official TX Map Shows US 81 Passing Through Gainesville
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2022, 03:10:03 PM »

Error is quite likely…it has US 66 entirely wrong.


A lot of things were temporary and fluid prior to the renumbering in the 1930's. While they were building US-81 through Montague County, was the route open yet?

As to temporary routes, US-59 has been on a Temporary routing from Maud to Page OK for over 80 years.
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Re: 1929 Official TX Map Shows US 81 Passing Through Gainesville
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2022, 08:14:28 PM »

As to temporary routes, US-59 has been on a Temporary routing from Maud to Page OK for over 80 years.
Oklahoma tried to fix this in 1962, but Arkansas and Texas said no, and thus US 259 was created.
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Re: 1929 Official TX Map Shows US 81 Passing Through Gainesville
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2022, 11:53:52 PM »

As to temporary routes, US-59 has been on a Temporary routing from Maud to Page OK for over 80 years.
Oklahoma tried to fix this in 1962, but Arkansas and Texas said no, and thus US 259 was created.
I don't know about Texas, but Arkansas was crazy stupid about US 59 from the get-go. They barely sign it.
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Re: 1929 Official TX Map Shows US 81 Passing Through Gainesville
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2022, 12:49:38 AM »

As to temporary routes, US-59 has been on a Temporary routing from Maud to Page OK for over 80 years.
Oklahoma tried to fix this in 1962, but Arkansas and Texas said no, and thus US 259 was created.
I don't know about Texas, but Arkansas was crazy stupid about US 59 from the get-go. They barely sign it.


US-59 was originally supposed to follow TX-8 and AR-41 to DeQueen then follow US-70 to Broken Bow then follow a (yet to be constructed) route that eventually became US-259. Yes, by the 1960's it had been there for a while. Part of the problem was they wanted to change it all the way from Nacogdoches to Page to follow the 259 route.
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