Is it true that ALL highways with 6 or more lanes need to have signs overhead?

Started by tolbs17, February 05, 2022, 08:10:25 AM

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tolbs17

Aside from Georgia's rules, I don't know what North Carolina's are but new (or widened) highways that have 6 lanes have signs that are overhead. Probably cause it's to increase visibility when you see some ground mounted signs that are obscured by big trucks and buses.

80s era freeway with a ground mounted sign and is 6 lanes - https://goo.gl/maps/ya6jR1GNStzuJAFa9



skluth

Quote from: tolbs17 on February 05, 2022, 08:10:25 AM
Aside from Georgia's rules, I don't know what North Carolina's are but new (or widened) highways that have 6 lanes have signs that are overhead. Probably cause it's to increase visibility when you see some ground mounted signs that are obscured by big trucks and buses.

80s era freeway with a ground mounted sign and is 6 lanes - https://goo.gl/maps/ya6jR1GNStzuJAFa9
I don't think so. If you mean every sign, no according to this sign from about ten years ago. But this stretch of US/I-41 has mostly overhead signs. And while I drive this eight-lane interstate a couple times/month, I've seen no efforts by Caltrans to place additional overhead signs along the route during its current upgrade (though there are several overhead signs).

odditude

no.

source: https://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/htm/2009/part2/part2a.htm#section2A17

note the use of "should" (indicating recommendation) instead of "shall" (indicating requirement).

SkyPesos

I think Ohio might have some sort of rule like that. The 6 laned rural parts of I-71 between Columbus and Cleveland and I-75 between Findlay and Toledo exclusively use overhead BGS, while the BGS were ground mounted before the widening.

tolbs17

The Monroe Expressway has most signs overhead and it's only 4 lanes. However, there are no cantilever or raised poles. Maybe for toll roads it's different.

Examples: https://goo.gl/maps/CPpZ1BSGW5NBVJ1JA   https://goo.gl/maps/kPBueBn1Fbg82ez49

hbelkins

No, not in Kentucky. Most of the rural three-lane sections of I-75 and I-64 have traditional ground-mounted signs.


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Great Lakes Roads

For the most part, it's a no for Indiana. Most of the signs on the three-lane sections on I-65, I-69, I-70, and I-94 are mostly ground-mounted.

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Henry

I'm under the impression that this sort of thing depends on the environment. If the freeway goes through an urban/metropolitan area, there'll usually be overhead signs on the entire stretch, though I'm sure there are a few exceptions to this, given that the traffic volumes are very high. In a rural setting with lower traffic volumes, it would be more inclined to have ground-mounted signs, with overhead signs for when the freeway interchanges another freeway.
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SignBridge

No such blanket standard in the MUTCD re: six-lane highways. I believe interchanges between Interstate highways require overhead signs but I'd have to check to be sure.

tolbs17


SignBridge

I was partly correct. It's not Interstate highways, but all freeway-to-freeway interchanges.

Sec. 2E.44, Freeway-to-Freeway Interchanges

2E.44.05......Overhead signs shall be used at a distance of 1 mile and at the theoretical gore of each connecting ramp.

2E.44.06.....Overhead signs may also be used at the 1/2 mile and 2 mile locations.

But as with a lot of things in the Manual, not all state highway depts. may be aware of all standards and recommendations or if they are, they don't necessarily follow them for various reasons, some good and some not. 

tolbs17


SignBridge

The Federal Manual (MUTCD) rules apply nationwide, except in states that have their own manual or a State Supplement that may be a little different than the Federal Manual. But as I said in my earlier post, that doesn't mean that all states comply all of the time.

jp the roadgeek

MassDOT would have you believe this, seeing they use overhead signage pretty much everywhere.  OTOH, CTDOT doesn't believe in overhead signage unless it's in an urban area, regardless of how wide a highway is. 
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Rothman

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 21, 2022, 09:30:22 PM
MassDOT would have you believe this, seeing they use overhead signage pretty much everywhere.  OTOH, CTDOT doesn't believe in overhead signage unless it's in an urban area, regardless of how wide a highway is.
That wasn't always the case with MassDOT...well, its predecessor, anyway.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

wriddle082

Quote from: tolbs17 on March 21, 2022, 09:08:17 PM
It appears that there is no such rule in SC

I-95
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HmPvzR1q6FGQi1Bi6

I-20
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WgyRzTpNyRnpwV2ZA

They've been replacing many of the ground-mounted signs with overheads on six-lane I-77 in Columbia as of late.  And they've all been replaced along the eight-lane portion of I-77 through Rock Hill and Fort Mill.

tolbs17

Quote from: wriddle082 on March 21, 2022, 09:36:15 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on March 21, 2022, 09:08:17 PM
It appears that there is no such rule in SC

I-95
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HmPvzR1q6FGQi1Bi6

I-20
https://maps.app.goo.gl/WgyRzTpNyRnpwV2ZA

They've been replacing many of the ground-mounted signs with overheads on six-lane I-77 in Columbia as of late.  And they've all been replaced along the eight-lane portion of I-77 through Rock Hill and Fort Mill.
Well it seems like they are late to the party

jeffandnicole

NJ's section of I-295 which has 8 lanes uses ground mounted signs except at the actual exit gore.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KUo2uMGqzdnzELBW8

tolbs17

Quote from: jeffandnicole on March 22, 2022, 07:05:50 AM
NJ's section of I-295 which has 8 lanes uses ground mounted signs except at the actual exit gore.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KUo2uMGqzdnzELBW8
I-40 in South Raleigh is 8 lanes and it used to have some ground mounted signs until it was modernized.

https://goo.gl/maps/WBdgpDx9nK6QAbXz5



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