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roadman65:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/pV3Uj38LRyknUquY8
So no more using the name San Diego Freeway? Everything appears to be the I-405 Freeway in ramp guide signing.
Max Rockatansky:
Check from the I-5 south regular lane transition to I-405 south:
https://flic.kr/p/2fDMHMS
cahwyguy:
--- Quote from: roadman65 on October 17, 2023, 09:54:36 AM ---https://maps.app.goo.gl/pV3Uj38LRyknUquY8
So no more using the name San Diego Freeway? Everything appears to be the I-405 Freeway in ramp guide signing.
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New "Big Green Sign" signage is de-emphasizing the name (probably because navigation apps rarely use the names). That doesn't mean the name can't be used, or that old signage out there doesn't refer to it, or that older maps don't refer to it, or that map apps don't have the name somewhere. It could also be a side effect of all the naming resolutions for short segments of highways -- this has made the broader names dating back 50 years ago meaningless.
But Caltrans, in new Big Green Sign signage, is de-emphasizing the older names. "Naming resolution" names are often on little signs by the side of the road, and are not really used in normal parlance.
It will be interesting to see the impact of the bill the governor just signed:
This bill would require the department, through the erection of highway signs and appropriate markers, to provide recognition of the historical and cultural importance of the California tribes local to, or historically located in, the Counties of Los Angeles and San Bernardino. The bill would require the department to work with certain entities, including, but not limited to, California tribes local to, or historically located along, Route 210, to name Route 210 and to identify appropriate locations for signs to recognize tribal lands along Route 210 in the Counties of Los Angeles and San Bernardino. The bill would require the department to erect those signs and other appropriate markers at the appropriate locations on Route 210, as part of the department’s regularly scheduled replacement, modification, and maintenance of highway signs. The bill would specify that Route 210 shall be known and designated as the Southern California Native American Freeway or by the name developed by the department with the specified entities.
DTComposer:
--- Quote from: cahwyguy on October 17, 2023, 10:27:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: roadman65 on October 17, 2023, 09:54:36 AM ---https://maps.app.goo.gl/pV3Uj38LRyknUquY8
So no more using the name San Diego Freeway? Everything appears to be the I-405 Freeway in ramp guide signing.
--- End quote ---
New "Big Green Sign" signage is de-emphasizing the name (probably because navigation apps rarely use the names). That doesn't mean the name can't be used, or that old signage out there doesn't refer to it, or that older maps don't refer to it, or that map apps don't have the name somewhere. It could also be a side effect of all the naming resolutions for short segments of highways -- this has made the broader names dating back 50 years ago meaningless.
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Some navigation systems glom onto the secondary and tertiary names for highways - for example, my wife's car refers to CA-85 as the Norman Y. Mineta Freeway - I think that name is only on side-of-the-road signage at the beginning and end of the route.
mrsman:
--- Quote from: DTComposer on October 17, 2023, 04:27:35 PM ---
--- Quote from: cahwyguy on October 17, 2023, 10:27:13 AM ---
--- Quote from: roadman65 on October 17, 2023, 09:54:36 AM ---https://maps.app.goo.gl/pV3Uj38LRyknUquY8
So no more using the name San Diego Freeway? Everything appears to be the I-405 Freeway in ramp guide signing.
--- End quote ---
New "Big Green Sign" signage is de-emphasizing the name (probably because navigation apps rarely use the names). That doesn't mean the name can't be used, or that old signage out there doesn't refer to it, or that older maps don't refer to it, or that map apps don't have the name somewhere. It could also be a side effect of all the naming resolutions for short segments of highways -- this has made the broader names dating back 50 years ago meaningless.
--- End quote ---
Some navigation systems glom onto the secondary and tertiary names for highways - for example, my wife's car refers to CA-85 as the Norman Y. Mineta Freeway - I think that name is only on side-of-the-road signage at the beginning and end of the route.
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Part of all of this has to do with "message loading." This is the concept that drivers could get confused if there are too many pieces of information on a sign to process while they are driving at high speeds. So certain pieces of information that were once common are being removed, but I believe Caltrans generally takes the approach too far.
Many freeway exits for streets used to routinely have the name of the city that the street leads to. These are being removed in many cases. Also, if a street also happens to be a state highway, the street name is often removed - even if it can be helpful to locals.
As far as whether a freeway's name is primary or secondary, a lot has to do with what the freeway is named for. Geographic names are of course very prominent. Names for people are often less so, unless the person being named is prominent.
In the case of CA-85, Norman Mineta is the main name, given his prominence in San Jose politics and even national politics (Cabinet secretary in Clinton and Bush II administations). The namings for deceased military or public safety officials are genearlly minor names and not well known.
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