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Started by hbelkins, January 29, 2020, 02:33:45 PM

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hotdogPi

Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Kentucky has a couple of duplicates, but I only consider one of them (US/KY 79) to be real. US 52 does dip into the state briefly on two separate occasions in Pike County, but the route is maintained by WVDOT and is not officially on Kentucky's books.

I don't consider US/MA 3 to be a duplicate, as it's the same route. While US 79 and KY 79 don't quite connect, it could be considered an extension.
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Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

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Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?

Yes, both Tennessee and Georgia do. There's a photo that floats around on occasion of US 27 and GA 27's intersection.

Tennessee's SR 70 is located reasonably close to its US counterpart. I'm pretty sure that TN 64 and US 64 are within a couple of dozen miles or so of each other, based on memory of traveling in the southern part of middle Tennessee in years past. Other duplications are more distant, such as TN and US 45.

Virginia also has both US and VA 13.

Kentucky has a couple of duplicates, but I only consider one of them (US/KY 79) to be real. US 52 does dip into the state briefly on two separate occasions in Pike County, but the route is maintained by WVDOT and is not officially on Kentucky's books.
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Quote from: hbelkins on January 29, 2020, 02:33:45 PM
No one's going to match Kentucky's four-digit routing system, so I wouldn't expect to see SR 3331 in West Virginia or Ohio.

But what common, lower-number route cannot be found in your state?

Kentucky has no KY 50. At one time, maps indicated KY 50 being signed on what is now US 421 between Frankfort and Lexington, and some state-issued Fayette County maps in the 1980s had KY 50 placed on Man O'War, but Kentucky does not have a route numbered 50. KY 67 was unused for years until it was applied to the Industrial Parkway in northeastern Kentucky.

West Virginia has several route numbers not being used. There's no WV 13. A few other two-digit numbers are reserved for future construction (WV 78 on a route in the Hinton area comes to mind.) And some are county route numbers that cross county lines, such as CR 21 for old US 21 and CR 56 for the old route of WV 56.
There's no WV-1 either.
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kphoger

Quote from: wriddle082 on January 29, 2020, 04:54:37 PM
HB, did you mention how WV does not have a primary highway 1?

Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:09:32 PM
Nope, I forgot about there being no WV 1. There are plenty of CR 1's, though.

And then.........   :pan:

Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 30, 2020, 02:20:09 PM
There's no WV-1 either.
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Oklahoma doesn't have 12, 13 (was replaced by 3W), 21 (replaced by 3), 41 (renumbered to 152 to match TX), 57, 61, 68, or 90.

The number 12 was associated on some long-term OkDOT plans with the Gilcrease Expressway extension, but I believe that ultimately ended up being assigned the number 344.
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stevashe

Washington's state highways are loosely assigned on a grid which is quite sparse, and as a result there aren't many 2 digit highways above 31, the highest number assigned based on the grid. Those above 31 are either because the number was assigned from the US or Interstate systems (I-82, I-90, US-97, WA-99) or are a spur of another route (WA-92 and WA-96 are spurs of WA-9, since Washington's state route spurs add numbers on the end instead of the beginning like US routes and Interstates, and the 9xx's are reserved for I-90).

Technically there's also WA-41, the Washington half of the part of ID-41 that's on the state line, if you want to count that since it is designated by law.

Of the numbers below 31 there are also some interesting omissions:

1: US-101 sits where a WA-1 would likely be.
13: Unlucky? Also, would be a N/S route on the Cascade crest per the grid and there's unlikely to ever be a highway there of course.
15: US-97 takes its spot in the grid (and even has 15x spurs based on it).
29: US-395 takes its spot (and again has 29x spurs).
30: Replaced when WA-20 was extended in 1973.

gonealookin

In Nevada it's easiest to list all of the routes numbered in 1 or 2 digits that do exist, subsequent to the mid-1970s renumbering.  Everything else is 3 digits.

US 6
Interstate 11
Interstate 15
NV 28 (this one and NV 88 below were kept for continuity with California)
US 50
Interstate 80
NV 88
US 93
US 95

MikieTimT

Arkansas has no 2, 3, 6, 68, or 81.

We do however, have 2 federal 49 routes, US-49 and I-49.  Didn't used to duplicate route numbers in the states, but had to make the change because of this one.

mrcmc888

Quote from: hbelkins on January 30, 2020, 01:15:36 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 29, 2020, 09:36:18 PM
Now I'm thinking, are there any states that allow duplication of US and state routes?

Yes, both Tennessee and Georgia do. There's a photo that floats around on occasion of US 27 and GA 27's intersection.

Tennessee's SR 70 is located reasonably close to its US counterpart. I'm pretty sure that TN 64 and US 64 are within a couple of dozen miles or so of each other, based on memory of traveling in the southern part of middle Tennessee in years past. Other duplications are more distant, such as TN and US 45.

Virginia also has both US and VA 13.

Kentucky has a couple of duplicates, but I only consider one of them (US/KY 79) to be real. US 52 does dip into the state briefly on two separate occasions in Pike County, but the route is maintained by WVDOT and is not officially on Kentucky's books.

TN 41 ends at US 41 in Goodlettsville, but since TN 41 is unsigned and duplexed with US 31W not many people realize it.

froggie

For Vermont, none of the following route numbers under 100 exist:

1
6
13
19-22 (though 19 formerly existed along today's VT 125)
24
27-29
32-34
37
39-43
45-52
54-57 (tho 56 used to exist along today's 16 east of Barton)
59-61
68-72 (68 formerly existed)
75-77
79-88
90
92
94-99

If Vermont doesn't rank at #2 for the quantity of route numbers under 100 that have never been used (56 of them), it's a big contender.  Alaska has more unused numbers, but I can't think of another state that comes close.

hotdogPi

Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: 1 on January 30, 2020, 09:38:25 PM
Nevada and Arizona probably rank above Vermont.

I already broke down Arizona up thread, it definitely is more stingy then Vermont.  Nevada definitely is right up there wit not having a lot of low highway numbers with; US 6, I-15, NV 28, US 50, I-80, NV 88, US 93, and US 95 below 100.

oscar

Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 31, 2020, 12:10:21 AM
Nevada definitely is right up there wit not having a lot of low highway numbers with; US 6, I-15, NV 28, US 50, I-80, NV 88, US 93, and US 95 below 100.

It takes the prize for fewest currently-used numbers under 100, with only 8 compared to Alaska's 12 (though unlike Nevada, Alaska has nothing 100 or higher). But what about former Nevada routes, to match froggie's Vermont list which included former routes? (AFAIK, there are no former Alaska routes, at least post-statehood.) I know about NV 8A (saw the sign, just past the east end of CA 299), but are there other low-numbered former Nevada routes?
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CT is missing a lot under 100.  13, 18, 23, 24, 26, 28, 29, 36, 38, 46, 48, 50-52, 54, 56, 60, 62, 65, 76, 86, 88, 90, 92, 93, 96, and 98.  From what I remember:

18 was the old number for the east end of what is now CT 372.
29 was an old number for a route in Fairfield County
51 was the number for US 1 between Old Lyme and East Lyme when US 1 stayed on I-95.
52 was promoted to I-395
65 was used for the old CT 8 when CT 8 followed what is now CT 113 to Stratford.
86 was I-86.  Never reused
90 was omitted to avoid confusion with I-90 in MA
93 was changed to 169 to accommodate MA when I-93 came to be and they renumbered it
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TheHighwayMan3561

The full list of MN under 100:
17 (previously discussed)
31 (most recent iteration absorbed to commission MN 200 around 1970)
49 (decommissioned around 2000)
66 (most recent iteration decommissioned 2017)
81 (was part of old US 52/MN 152 in Minneapolis, now a major county road)
82 (absorbed into MN 9)
85 (absorbed into MN 200)
88 (former alignment of US 8 in Minneapolis, decommissioned late 1980s)
98 (former alignment of US 8 in Chisago County, decommissioned late 1990s)
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Duke87

Quote from: 1 on January 29, 2020, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 29, 2020, 06:37:58 PM
There is no longer a 15 in MA.

There is; it's an extension of RI 15.

There are no signs for such on that road. All you get is a "TO MA 152" sign eastbound, and absolutely nothing westbound.

Nonetheless, if you look at the state's GIS basemap, it does indeed label that section of road as route 15. Which is weird because MassDOT is normally not in the habit of assigning numbers to roads and then not signing them, they just leave roads they maintain but don't want to post a number on unnumbered.




Anyway since no one has mentioned New York yet... 47 and 57 are the only numbers under 100 not used in any capacity.

That said, New York is a state that makes some effort to avoid duplicating numbers, but not thoroughly. To this end, there is currently no NY 1, 4, 6, 9, 44, 62, 87, or 99, and at least one of those was explicitly renumbered to avoid duplication. But at the same time, NY 2, 78, 81, 88, 90, and 95 coexist with a US or Interstate route of the same number (as do NY 190, 278, 290, 295, and 695).
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DandyDan

Iowa has gone since the 40's without Highway 11. Much of what used to be Highway 11 is now IA 150. There's no Highway 19, either.

Nebraska does not have a Highway 3. US 136 used to be NE 3.

South Dakota is like Wisconsin in that there is no state highway below 11.
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Quote from: Duke87 on January 31, 2020, 01:53:02 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 29, 2020, 06:43:51 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 29, 2020, 06:37:58 PM
There is no longer a 15 in MA.

There is; it's an extension of RI 15.

There are no signs for such on that road. All you get is a "TO MA 152" sign eastbound, and absolutely nothing westbound.
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kurumi

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on January 31, 2020, 01:32:05 AM
CT is missing a lot under 100.  13, 18, 23, 24, 26, 28, 29, 36, 38, 46, 48, 50-52, 54, 56, 60, 62, 65, 76, 86, 88, 90, 92, 93, 96, and 98.  From what I remember:

18 was the old number for the east end of what is now CT 372.
29 was an old number for a route in Fairfield County
51 was the number for US 1 between Old Lyme and East Lyme when US 1 stayed on I-95.
52 was promoted to I-395
65 was used for the old CT 8 when CT 8 followed what is now CT 113 to Stratford.
86 was I-86.  Never reused
90 was omitted to avoid confusion with I-90 in MA
93 was changed to 169 to accommodate MA when I-93 came to be and they renumbered it


A couple others:

CT 76 existed as North Street in Windsor Locks
CT 86 was also the north-south segment of today's CT 156

It's mildly interesting how CT seems to dislike x6 and x8 numbers. 20 available, 12 never used
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Quote from: Konza on January 29, 2020, 05:19:57 PM
Illinois doesn't have a state route 11; it was usurped by US 40, and hasn't been used since.

Other route numbers <100 not currently assigned to a state, US, or Interstate route in Illinois:  27, 42, 44, 46, 63, 65, 69, 77, 79, 85, 86, 87, 93, 95.

Gonna go ahead and correct this.  For a complete list of Illinois State, Interstate, and US highways (in that order), check this album of Illinois highway shields, because I've snagged a picture of every single one.  Numbers under 100 unused in Illinois:  11, 27, 28, 42, 44, 46, 63, 65, 66, 69, 77, 79, 85, 86, and 87.  The range of 30-90 was correct.

In response to a more recent diatribe, the following numbers are duplicated in Illinois:  6, 14, 24, 34, 40, 41, 50, 54, 57, 60 (barely), 62 (barely), 64, 70, 72, 90, 94, 155, 172, 180, 255 (kinda).
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Quote from: oscar on January 31, 2020, 01:16:04 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 31, 2020, 12:10:21 AM
Nevada definitely is right up there wit not having a lot of low highway numbers with; US 6, I-15, NV 28, US 50, I-80, NV 88, US 93, and US 95 below 100.

It takes the prize for fewest currently-used numbers under 100, with only 8 compared to Alaska's 12 (though unlike Nevada, Alaska has nothing 100 or higher). But what about former Nevada routes, to match froggie's Vermont list which included former routes? (AFAIK, there are no former Alaska routes, at least post-statehood.) I know about NV 8A (saw the sign, just past the east end of CA 299), but are there other low-numbered former Nevada routes?

All those weird ones like 8A which still have stray signs are either renumbered or decommissioned.  8A for example was defined by the state legislature but was always locally maintained.  I've seen map references for NV 3C while scouting Bodie Road East to Aurora but never seen a field sign. Off the top of my head those are the only two that I know that there is a least a modern reference for, it is almost certain that there are more. 

Edit:  I seem to recall NV 34 had a couple signs too but it's been a really long time since I've driven 8A through Vya so I could be remembering that wrong. 



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