Interstate control cities not at a major junction

[hbelkins]

Just what the thread title suggests: A discussion of control cities for Interstate highways that are not located at major intersections.

Most of West Virginia's qualify. I-64 has no major junctions in West Virginia, save for Charleston and Bluefield. Appropriate control cities would be Lexington, Ky. westbound at Charleston, and Lexington, Va., eastbound at Beckley.

Using this criteria, I-77 should be Cambridge, Ohio north from Charleston, and Wytheville, Va., south of Beckley. I-79 should be Morgantown and then Washington, Pa.. I-68 should be Hancock, Md.. I-70 should be Cambridge and Washington, and I-81 should be Hagerstown, Md., and either Strasburg or Front Royal, Va.

In Kentucky, the offenders are I-64's use of Ashland (should be Charleston under the above criteria) and Paducah on I-24 (St. Louis is probably the best choice).

This doesn't include routes like Kentucky's parkways, which generally don't serve locales with major intersections. They're often used not only for through traffic, but point-to-point travel (such as between Hyden and Hazard on the Hal Rogers, or Russell Springs and Somerset on the Cumberland.)

Thoughts? This is opposite to some of the reasoning that intersection points like Wytheville or Mt. Vernon shouldn't be used.

[jlam]

What do you define as a "major" intersection? Southbound on I-25 in Denver, the control city is Colorado Springs, which makes perfect since. CO Springs isn't at an interstate-interstate intersection though, so I suppose for the purposes of this thread, you would want Albuquerque, which is the control city on I-25 southbound out of the springs.

[SkyPesos]

Every city that's on only a single 2di would qualify I guess. San Francisco for I-80, Norfolk for I-64, Las Vegas for I-15, Ft Wayne for I-69, Tulsa for I-44, Peoria for I-74, the list goes on.

[Evan_Th]

San Francisco for I-80, Norfolk for I-64

I think cities at the ends of interstates (or just past the border, like I-5's "Vancouver BC" heading north from Seattle) should also qualify.

[epzik8]

This sounds like, for example, York, Pennsylvania shouldn't be a control city for I-83, since it doesn't intersect any 2DIs (or 3DIs) there, save for its own business route.

[jlam]

Every city that's on only a single 2di would qualify I guess. San Francisco for I-80, Norfolk for I-64, Las Vegas for I-15, Ft Wayne for I-69, Tulsa for I-44, Peoria for I-74, the list goes on.

Should Las Vegas count as a major junction? I know I-11 doesn't directly meet I-15, but it is in the general vicinity and meets both I-215 and I-515. Eventually, I-11 may even make it to Las Vegas proper. It depends on NDOT's plans.

[SkyPesos]

Every city that's on only a single 2di would qualify I guess. San Francisco for I-80, Norfolk for I-64, Las Vegas for I-15, Ft Wayne for I-69, Tulsa for I-44, Peoria for I-74, the list goes on.

Should Las Vegas count as a major junction? I know I-11 doesn't directly meet I-15, but it is in the general vicinity and meets both I-215 and I-515. Eventually, I-11 may even make it to Las Vegas proper. It depends on NDOT's plans.

Maybe I should count Baltimore as not being a major junction too, because I-95, I-70, I-83 and I-97 doesn't meet each other there 

[GaryV]

Mackinac Bridge on I-75.

Sault Ste Marie as well, unless the "end/border" exception applies.

[kenarmy]

Is this supposed to be rare? Off the top of my head:

I-55: Grenada, MS- Mccomb, MS- Cape Girardeau, MO
I-59: Gadsden, AL

[ilpt4u]

I-57: Kankakee and Cairo, IL
I-88: DeKalb

I-74: Peoria? The only Interstate junctions are I-155 to Lincoln and onward to Springfield and STL via I-55 and I-474/Peoria Bypass. Peoria is the 2nd Largest city in the state (pretty sure?) and is a viable Control City, imho

I-72: Decatur, Jacksonville (unless you consider US 51 and 67 "major" )

[SkyPesos]

Peoria is the 2nd Largest city in the state (pretty sure?)

8th largest, behind Chicago, Aurora, Naperville, Joliet, Rockford, Springfield and Elgin.

[ilpt4u]

Peoria is the 2nd Largest city in the state (pretty sure?)

8th largest, behind Chicago, Aurora, Naperville, Joliet, Rockford, Springfield and Elgin.

Still notable and worthy of CC status

For that matter, I-88 and I-290 using Aurora also fits this thread

[Roadgeekteen]

Cape Cod

[NWI_Irish96]

Indiana uses:

Peoria for I-74 west from Indy which is not at a major junction
Fort Wayne for I-69 north from Indy which is not at a major junction
Evansville for I-69 south from Bloomington which is near I-64 but not really
Dayton for I-70 east from Indy which is close to I-75 [closer than Evansville is to I-64]
Ohio for I-80/90 east from Chicago which has a lot of major junctions but lots of parts that aren't near them.

[SkyPesos]

Dayton for I-70 west from Indy

I thought St Louis is used on I-70 WB from Indy.

[NWI_Irish96]

Dayton for I-70 west from Indy

I thought St Louis is used on I-70 WB from Indy.

East, I meant east.

[jaehak]

Technically almost every control city on 80 qualifies except Sacramento (5), Salt Lake City (15), Council Bluffs (29), and maybe Davenport (74), but Davenport is usually a secondary control so meh. It does not touch 25 in Cheyenne (just outside the city limits, therefore the control city itself is not technically at a major junction), 35 in Des Moines (ditto), 75 in Toledo, or 76 in Youngstown. There are 2di junctions in Chicago, Cleveland, and New York but not so far as I-80 is concerned since it never enters those cities. I know this isn't really what you're looking for but it just struck me as interesting.

[GaryA]

I was considering California's control cities, and there are many that aren't at Interstate junctions, but are at junctions with significant state or US highways.

I-5: Redding (CA 299)
I-8: El Centro (CA 86), Yuma (US 95)
I-10: Santa Monica (CA 1), Redlands (CA 210), Indio (CA 86), Blythe (US 95) -- "other Desert Cities" was always a secondary control
I-40: Needles (US 95)
I-80: San Francisco (US 101), Reno (US 395)

A couple of former control cities, now mostly or entirely phased out, might fit better -- "Truckee" for I-80 and "Baker" for I-15.

[HighwayStar]

There should be at least 1 control city in every state that the route passes through.

[hotdogPi]

There should be at least 1 control city in every state that the route passes through.

I-684 Connecticut
I-15 Arizona
I-76 Nebraska
I-59 Georgia

[US20IL64]

Peoria is the 2nd Largest city in the state (pretty sure?)

8th largest, behind Chicago, Aurora, Naperville, Joliet, Rockford, Springfield and Elgin.

Still notable and worthy of CC status

For that matter, I-88 and I-290 using Aurora also fits this thread

Peoria IL Metro is 3rd largest, after Chicago and 'Metro East' IL burbs of St. Louis area.

[jlam]

There should be at least 1 control city in every state that the route passes through.

I-684 Connecticut
I-15 Arizona
I-76 Nebraska
I-59 Georgia

I-684 is an exception as it doesn't have any Connecticut exits. For the others:
I-15 AZ: Littlefield NB S of Littlefield and SB N of Littlefield, otherwise St George and Las Vegas
I-76 NE: Big Springs/Omaha EB, WB Denver/Fort Morgan
I-59: Trenton NB S of Trenton and SB N of Trenton, otherwise Gadsden/Birmingham and Chattanooga

[jp the roadgeek]

Plenty in PA along I-80 (Sharon, Bloomsburg, Stroudsburg and Delaware Water Gap.  And then there's Netcong in NJ

Easton, PA and Clinton, NJ along I-78

New London, CT for I-95

Brattleboro, VT for I-91

Danbury, CT for I-84 (US 7 isn't significant).

Watertown, NY and Roanoke for I-81

Jamestown for the eastern I-86

[jaehak]

There should be at least 1 control city in every state that the route passes through.

Counterpoint: 80 should have zero control cities in PA.

[HighwayStar]

There should be at least 1 control city in every state that the route passes through.

Counterpoint: 80 should have zero control cities in PA.

The state rule should be an exception to whatever other criteria exist, ie. a fallback to ensure that each state is recognized as being on the route.