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Started by Alex, August 18, 2009, 12:34:57 AM

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Rothman

Quote from: roadman65 on August 13, 2022, 09:32:11 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/tX4CBr8MR769ResEA

What is up lately with the usage of PASSENGER CARS ONLY?

I noticed that the NO COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC is hardly used like it always was back in the seventies and eighties.
It's less ambiguous and hopefully reduces low bridge hits.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.


roadman65

Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 09:55:19 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 13, 2022, 09:32:11 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/tX4CBr8MR769ResEA

What is up lately with the usage of PASSENGER CARS ONLY?

I noticed that the NO COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC is hardly used like it always was back in the seventies and eighties.
It's less ambiguous and hopefully reduces low bridge hits.

After seeing the low elevated MTA line over the Belt Parkway in Coney Island it may deter buses from using as any bus would be scalped.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

storm2k

Quote from: roadman65 on August 13, 2022, 09:32:11 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/tX4CBr8MR769ResEA

What is up lately with the usage of PASSENGER CARS ONLY?

I noticed that the NO COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC is hardly used like it always was back in the seventies and eighties.

I think they've been using the passenger cars only messaging for close to 20 years if not more at this point.

RobbieL2415

Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 09:55:19 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 13, 2022, 09:32:11 AM
https://goo.gl/maps/tX4CBr8MR769ResEA

What is up lately with the usage of PASSENGER CARS ONLY?

I noticed that the NO COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC is hardly used like it always was back in the seventies and eighties.
It's less ambiguous and hopefully reduces low bridge hits.
Which is funny, because ConnDOT has been using NO COMMERCIAL VEHICLES on new sign installs for the MP/WCPs.

Sam

Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?

hotdogPi

It's not as bad as the weight limit restrictions in Massachusetts that variously say "no trucks" (heavy non-trucks are fine, but trucks under 2 1/2 tons are not), "no commercial vehicles over 2 1/2 tons" (heavy non-commercial vehicles are fine), "weight limit 2 1/2 tons", and a wording I forget that does ban those that weigh exactly 2 1/2 tons, with all of the variations being posted as if they meant the same thing and seemingly being interchangeable.
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

NoGoodNamesAvailable

Quote from: Rothman on August 11, 2022, 12:42:21 PM
Quote from: Mr. Matté on August 11, 2022, 11:11:35 AM
Quote from: Dan Blather on August 10, 2022, 08:12:33 PM
Does the state ban internally illuminated road signs for some irrational reason, much like they ban pavement reflectors?

Is there an actual ban on those? Never would have noticed that before but doing a quick search of random roads (state and local), no RPMs to be found.
No, there isn't a ban.  They've just fallen out ot favor.
NY has started using a new technique for pavement markings where they grind down recessions into the pavement for the marking to sit in. It prevents the markings from getting worn out by snowplows, and it's super reflective at night. It's a better option for northern climates and makes the raised reflectors obsolete.

Rothman

Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

webny99

I've noticed that some pavement markings, presumably the newer ones, make a pleasant whirring sound when you drive directly on them. I must admit to intentionally driving on them if/when there's no other traffic nearby.

kalvado

Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?

SignBridge

Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?

Not just cars permitted. Any vehicle with private passenger plates including light vans and pick-up trucks are permitted as long as they are not being used for commercial purposes, since changes were made in the law or policy some years back. 

Rothman

Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?
Heck no.  Passenger cars only.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

kalvado

Quote from: Rothman on August 14, 2022, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?
Heck no.  Passenger cars only.
Passenger car may mean, for example, a sales rep driving company car to the customer.
I know those rules... But really, we may say Robert Moses was a bad guy, but still pray to the rules he made up.   

Rothman



Quote from: kalvado on August 15, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 14, 2022, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?
Heck no.  Passenger cars only.
Passenger car may mean, for example, a sales rep driving company car to the customer.
I know those rules... But really, we may say Robert Moses was a bad guy, but still pray to the rules he made up.

No commercial cars.  Get them off the parkways, too.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: Rothman on August 15, 2022, 08:56:29 PM


Quote from: kalvado on August 15, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 14, 2022, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?
Heck no.  Passenger cars only.
Passenger car may mean, for example, a sales rep driving company car to the customer.
I know those rules... But really, we may say Robert Moses was a bad guy, but still pray to the rules he made up.

No commercial cars.  Get them off the parkways, too.
That's asinine if you are being serious.

Rothman

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 15, 2022, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 15, 2022, 08:56:29 PM


Quote from: kalvado on August 15, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 14, 2022, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?
Heck no.  Passenger cars only.
Passenger car may mean, for example, a sales rep driving company car to the customer.
I know those rules... But really, we may say Robert Moses was a bad guy, but still pray to the rules he made up.

No commercial cars.  Get them off the parkways, too.
That's asinine if you are being serious.
Controls traffic.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Alps

Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 15, 2022, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 15, 2022, 08:56:29 PM


Quote from: kalvado on August 15, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 14, 2022, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?
Heck no.  Passenger cars only.
Passenger car may mean, for example, a sales rep driving company car to the customer.
I know those rules... But really, we may say Robert Moses was a bad guy, but still pray to the rules he made up.

No commercial cars.  Get them off the parkways, too.
That's asinine if you are being serious.
It's serious, that's the law. So you think the law is asinine.

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: Alps on August 15, 2022, 11:09:27 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 15, 2022, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 15, 2022, 08:56:29 PM


Quote from: kalvado on August 15, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 14, 2022, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?
Heck no.  Passenger cars only.
Passenger car may mean, for example, a sales rep driving company car to the customer.
I know those rules... But really, we may say Robert Moses was a bad guy, but still pray to the rules he made up.

No commercial cars.  Get them off the parkways, too.
That's asinine if you are being serious.
It's serious, that's the law. So you think the law is asinine.
Lol the old "it's the law"  crap. That shit never gets old. I love it.

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: Rothman on August 15, 2022, 10:59:11 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 15, 2022, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 15, 2022, 08:56:29 PM


Quote from: kalvado on August 15, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 14, 2022, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?
Heck no.  Passenger cars only.
Passenger car may mean, for example, a sales rep driving company car to the customer.
I know those rules... But really, we may say Robert Moses was a bad guy, but still pray to the rules he made up.

No commercial cars.  Get them off the parkways, too.
That's asinine if you are being serious.
Controls traffic.
I mean logically speaking wouldn't we want to ban passenger traffic and expand mass transit? After all commercial traffic is something mass transit isn't feasible for. That said I'm against that as well. Just saying it's weird to ban commercial traffic we rely on that for our day to day needs.

amroad17

I was just looking around the Corning area on GSV and noticed a mileage sign change on WB I-86 just west of Painted Post.  Before, the mileage sign had Coopers Plain 2/Bath 18/Jamestown 140. https://goo.gl/maps/WVzaGbpD32Pn1cDz9  Now, Jamestown has been replaced with Erie 195. https://goo.gl/maps/ydrpSevcxSBy49sh9

Any reason why this was done as Erie is not mentioned on the BGS's or on the interchange mileage signs around the Corning area?  I found this odd.  BTW, Erie should be 185 (167 miles on I-86 in NY, 18 miles from NY/PA line to downtown Erie).

I have also noticed NYSDOT is using smaller posts for mileage signs in some areas.
I don't need a GPS.  I AM the GPS! (for family and friends)

kalvado

Quote from: Alps on August 15, 2022, 11:09:27 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 15, 2022, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 15, 2022, 08:56:29 PM


Quote from: kalvado on August 15, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 14, 2022, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?
Heck no.  Passenger cars only.
Passenger car may mean, for example, a sales rep driving company car to the customer.
I know those rules... But really, we may say Robert Moses was a bad guy, but still pray to the rules he made up.

No commercial cars.  Get them off the parkways, too.
That's asinine if you are being serious.
It's serious, that's the law. So you think the law is asinine.
Law is great. THis particular one is totally beautiful.  It is as great as Robert Moses who built those parkways.

Plutonic Panda

Quote from: kalvado on August 16, 2022, 03:00:16 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 15, 2022, 11:09:27 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 15, 2022, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 15, 2022, 08:56:29 PM


Quote from: kalvado on August 15, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 14, 2022, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?
Heck no.  Passenger cars only.
Passenger car may mean, for example, a sales rep driving company car to the customer.
I know those rules... But really, we may say Robert Moses was a bad guy, but still pray to the rules he made up.

No commercial cars.  Get them off the parkways, too.
That's asinine if you are being serious.
It's serious, that's the law. So you think the law is asinine.
Law is great. THis particular one is totally beautiful.  It is as great as Robert Moses who built those parkways.
I'm being facetious obviously and I'm sure Alps knows that.

But Mr. Moses(a racist) didn't get to build all of his parkways and freeways unfortunately. The point I'm driving at is the commercial vehicle ban makes no sense and should be the opposite or rather there shouldn't be any restrictions at all other than maybe large semis if the road can't handle it.

kalvado

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Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 16, 2022, 03:06:55 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 16, 2022, 03:00:16 PM
Quote from: Alps on August 15, 2022, 11:09:27 PM
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on August 15, 2022, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 15, 2022, 08:56:29 PM


Quote from: kalvado on August 15, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Quote from: Rothman on August 14, 2022, 08:52:15 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 14, 2022, 09:50:47 AM
Quote from: Rothman on August 13, 2022, 10:29:40 PM
Quote from: Sam on August 13, 2022, 07:08:37 PM
Is New York intentionally trying to exclude pickups and vans registered as passenger vehicles and used as family cars? New York is never clear if they can be vague. Is the significant word "passenger"  or "cars" ?
Cars.  Pretty clear.
how about commercial cars?
Heck no.  Passenger cars only.
Passenger car may mean, for example, a sales rep driving company car to the customer.
I know those rules... But really, we may say Robert Moses was a bad guy, but still pray to the rules he made up.

No commercial cars.  Get them off the parkways, too.
That's asinine if you are being serious.
It's serious, that's the law. So you think the law is asinine.
Law is great. THis particular one is totally beautiful.  It is as great as Robert Moses who built those parkways.
I'm being facetious obviously and I'm sure Alps knows that.

But Mr. Moses(a racist) didn't get to build all of his parkways and freeways unfortunately. The point I'm driving at is the commercial vehicle ban makes no sense and should be the opposite or rather there shouldn't be any restrictions at all other than maybe large semis if the road can't handle it.
Question is about the role of those parkways today. Are they still roads to the beach where (n-word) are not desired? Are they still scenic roads to the beach or through the park or just regular commute roads? For one, Bronx River Parkway has 100k+ AADT, and I don't believe those are all leisure drives.  Is there a real reason to keep them limited - I mean limited beyond their technically justified height and weight limits? Or should we keep things as they were originally envisioned and ban passenger cars based on driver's skin color?

Plutonic Panda

Well obviously we shouldn't do it based on the last part but otherwise if NYC wants it's problem solved it needs to add more capacity which will include building more GP lanes. That seems to be a fairy tale so if their solution is just to ban as much traffic as they can well it's one I'll disagree with. In a way they would be harming the working class including African Americans as they'd be shutting off of roads if they're working.

webny99

Quote from: amroad17 on August 15, 2022, 11:52:39 PM
I was just looking around the Corning area on GSV and noticed a mileage sign change on WB I-86 just west of Painted Post.  Before, the mileage sign had Coopers Plain 2/Bath 18/Jamestown 140. https://goo.gl/maps/WVzaGbpD32Pn1cDz9  Now, Jamestown has been replaced with Erie 195. https://goo.gl/maps/ydrpSevcxSBy49sh9

Any reason why this was done as Erie is not mentioned on the BGS's or on the interchange mileage signs around the Corning area?  I found this odd.  BTW, Erie should be 185 (167 miles on I-86 in NY, 18 miles from NY/PA line to downtown Erie).

I have also noticed NYSDOT is using smaller posts for mileage signs in some areas.

Interesting, you're right. Erie should be 185 miles.

I wonder if NYSDOT is planning to phase out Jamestown as a control city and use Erie instead. Whenever the overhead BGS's at I-86/I-390 get replaced (which is long overdue), maybe we'll get more some insight on this.



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