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New England Towns (etc) Without Numbered Highways

Started by MikeTheActuary, May 27, 2022, 10:52:56 AM

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MikeTheActuary

A nifty bit of trivia that I'm sure folks here will appreciate, found on Reddit (not my map):



Source thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/comments/uyx9kg/these_are_the_municipalities_in_new_england_that/

The map's creator acknowledges that "municipalities" might not be the correct term to use, especially for the unincorporated townships in the North Maine Woods.

(edit: tweaked subject; the original was misstated, due to a phone call coming in while drafting this post)


SectorZ

Pretty cool. Looks similar to my own that I have for cycling, although a few more red towns given a few in Massachusetts (Berkley and Wendell to name two) only have routes in them that are limited-access.

jp the roadgeek

Always forget about the existence of Mount Washington, MA.  I know of Sheffield and Egremont right around it, along with Salisbury, CT and Copake, NY.  Population of less than 200.

Then I love the fact that a town which shares the name of the county it's in doesn't have a state route that passes through it.  MA 32 barely misses it, then the next closest is CT 190.
Interstates I've clinched: 97, 290 (MA), 291 (CT), 291 (MA), 293, 295 (DE-NJ-PA), 295 (RI-MA), 384, 391, 395 (CT-MA), 395 (MD), 495 (DE), 610 (LA), 684, 691, 695 (MD), 695 (NY), 795 (MD)

Ted$8roadFan

In Western Mass., MA-2, a/k/a the Mohawk Trail, avoids Leyden, Rowe, and Monroe.

dgolub

Long island has a whole batch of villages with no numbered highways.  For example, Centre Island, Lloyd Harbor, Asharoken, and Belle Terre.  The City of Long Beach has no signed numbered routes, although it has a single unsigned county route.

hotdogPi

A bit off topic regarding roads but still relevant to the image: why isn't it an SVG?
Clinched, minus I-93 (I'm missing a few miles and my file is incorrect)

Traveled, plus US 13, 44, and 50, and several state routes

I will be in Burlington VT for the eclipse.

MATraveler128

Cool map. I didn't even know that many of the small island towns in Maine, like Monhegan or Long Island even existed. I also wasn't aware that the areas in far northern Maine are considered real municipalities.
Decommission 128 south of Peabody!

Lowest untraveled number: 56

DrSmith

It's interesting you can see the Route 201, 27, 6, and 11 corridors through there.

abqtraveler

Quote from: DrSmith on May 28, 2022, 11:37:09 AM
It's interesting you can see the Route 201, 27, 6, and 11 corridors through there.
Not surprisingly the majority of the municipalities without any state highways are in in the interior of Maine. Another interesting fact is there are a lot of those "towns" you're seeing in inland Maine are actually unincorporated townships that bear no name and are referred to using the "township and range" nomenclature (e.g., "Township 10 North, Range 4 East"), as is seen in other parts of the United States outside of the territory of the original 13 colonies where the Rectangular Survey System was adopted. More interestingly, a lot of the local roads in northern Maine are laid out in a grid pattern that follow the section lines, just like in states that use the Rectangular Survey System.

I think that might be because the border between Canada and northern Maine wasn't agreed upon until 1842, following the Aroostook War of 1838-39. So for the portion of northern Maine that was in dispute was included in the Rectangular Survey System after the US-Canada border was settled in 1842.

Needless to say, most of interior Maine is unincorporated to this day because it is so sparsely populated. Not many would want to live there with the long and brutally cold winters they get.
2-d Interstates traveled:  4, 5, 8, 10, 15, 20, 24, 25, 27, 29, 35, 39, 40, 41, 43, 45, 49, 55, 57, 64, 65, 66, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76(E), 77, 78, 81, 83, 84(W), 85, 87(N), 89, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95

2-d Interstates Clinched:  12, 22, 30, 37, 44, 59, 80, 84(E), 86(E), 238, H1, H2, H3, H201

DJ Particle

IIRC there was a proposal back in the 1960s/70s to put a short freeway on Martha's Vineyard between Vineyard Haven and Edgartown.  I trust had it been built, it would have gotten a number.

MikeTheActuary

Quote from: 1 on May 28, 2022, 08:44:40 AM
A bit off topic regarding roads but still relevant to the image: why isn't it an SVG?

Because that's how I grabbed it from Reddit.

abqtraveler

Quote from: DJ Particle on May 29, 2022, 11:56:05 PM
IIRC there was a proposal back in the 1960s/70s to put a short freeway on Martha's Vineyard between Vineyard Haven and Edgartown.  I trust had it been built, it would have gotten a number.
I have no idea what the point would have been to build a freeway on Martha's Vineyard. I can't imagine there being that much traffic on the island to justify a freeway.
2-d Interstates traveled:  4, 5, 8, 10, 15, 20, 24, 25, 27, 29, 35, 39, 40, 41, 43, 45, 49, 55, 57, 64, 65, 66, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 76(E), 77, 78, 81, 83, 84(W), 85, 87(N), 89, 90, 91, 93, 94, 95

2-d Interstates Clinched:  12, 22, 30, 37, 44, 59, 80, 84(E), 86(E), 238, H1, H2, H3, H201

froggie

#12
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 30, 2022, 03:34:12 PM
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 29, 2022, 11:56:05 PM
IIRC there was a proposal back in the 1960s/70s to put a short freeway on Martha's Vineyard between Vineyard Haven and Edgartown.  I trust had it been built, it would have gotten a number.
I have no idea what the point would have been to build a freeway on Martha's Vineyard. I can't imagine there being that much traffic on the island to justify a freeway.

There isn't.  I checked MassDOT's traffic volumes.  Pre-COVID, there was no road segment on the island with an AADT volume higher than 12.5K.  Edgartown-Vineyard Haven Rd, which follows a similar path to the presumed freeway, averages about 6,800 AADT.  Those volumes don't even warrant 4 lanes, let alone a full freeway.

As best as I can tell, there isn't even a traffic signal on the island, though there is a roundabout at Barnes Rd and Edgartown-Vineyard Haven Rd.


MATraveler128

Quote from: abqtraveler on May 30, 2022, 03:34:12 PM
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 29, 2022, 11:56:05 PM
IIRC there was a proposal back in the 1960s/70s to put a short freeway on Martha's Vineyard between Vineyard Haven and Edgartown.  I trust had it been built, it would have gotten a number.
I have no idea what the point would have been to build a freeway on Martha's Vineyard. I can't imagine there being that much traffic on the island to justify a freeway.

The Vineyard's existing road system is just fine how it is. Looking at the proposal, it looks like it would have tied into the Woods Hole Ferry. This makes me wonder if there was ever consideration of building a bridge to Woods Hole or maybe closer to Downtown Falmouth. Either way, I'm happy such a plan never happened.
Decommission 128 south of Peabody!

Lowest untraveled number: 56

Alps

Quote from: BlueOutback7 on May 30, 2022, 04:54:05 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 30, 2022, 03:34:12 PM
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 29, 2022, 11:56:05 PM
IIRC there was a proposal back in the 1960s/70s to put a short freeway on Martha's Vineyard between Vineyard Haven and Edgartown.  I trust had it been built, it would have gotten a number.
I have no idea what the point would have been to build a freeway on Martha's Vineyard. I can't imagine there being that much traffic on the island to justify a freeway.

The Vineyard's existing road system is just fine how it is. Looking at the proposal, it looks like it would have tied into the Woods Hole Ferry. This makes me wonder if there was ever consideration of building a bridge to Woods Hole or maybe closer to Downtown Falmouth. Either way, I'm happy such a plan never happened.
since apparently the proposal is findable, got a link? or are we going back to https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28092.50

MATraveler128

#15
Quote from: Alps on May 30, 2022, 07:12:33 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on May 30, 2022, 04:54:05 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 30, 2022, 03:34:12 PM
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 29, 2022, 11:56:05 PM
IIRC there was a proposal back in the 1960s/70s to put a short freeway on Martha's Vineyard between Vineyard Haven and Edgartown.  I trust had it been built, it would have gotten a number.
I have no idea what the point would have been to build a freeway on Martha's Vineyard. I can't imagine there being that much traffic on the island to justify a freeway.

The Vineyard’s existing road system is just fine how it is. Looking at the proposal, it looks like it would have tied into the Woods Hole Ferry. This makes me wonder if there was ever consideration of building a bridge to Woods Hole or maybe closer to Downtown Falmouth. Either way, I’m happy such a plan never happened.
since apparently the proposal is findable, got a link? or are we going back to https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28092.50

I was looking at this old thread.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28092.0

I think the Martha’s Vineyard freeway was more of an idea than an actual proposal that clearly never got off the drawing board.
Decommission 128 south of Peabody!

Lowest untraveled number: 56

Ted$8roadFan

The only Greater Boston community that qualifies is Nahant.

Ted$8roadFan

Quote from: BlueOutback7 on May 30, 2022, 07:36:25 PM
Quote from: Alps on May 30, 2022, 07:12:33 PM
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on May 30, 2022, 04:54:05 PM
Quote from: abqtraveler on May 30, 2022, 03:34:12 PM
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 29, 2022, 11:56:05 PM
IIRC there was a proposal back in the 1960s/70s to put a short freeway on Martha's Vineyard between Vineyard Haven and Edgartown.  I trust had it been built, it would have gotten a number.
I have no idea what the point would have been to build a freeway on Martha's Vineyard. I can't imagine there being that much traffic on the island to justify a freeway.

The Vineyard's existing road system is just fine how it is. Looking at the proposal, it looks like it would have tied into the Woods Hole Ferry. This makes me wonder if there was ever consideration of building a bridge to Woods Hole or maybe closer to Downtown Falmouth. Either way, I'm happy such a plan never happened.
since apparently the proposal is findable, got a link? or are we going back to https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28092.50

I was looking at this old thread.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28092.0

I think the Martha's Vineyard freeway was more of an idea than an actual proposal that clearly never got off the drawing board.

In addition, there's no way that the civic-minded citizenry of the Vineyard would ever have allowed something like this to pass.



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