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Title: Ohio
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on August 29, 2015, 08:18:14 PM
Surprisingly a general thread for Ohio-related news hasn't been started, so here it is.
http://www.dot.state.oh.us/districts/D08/Pages/I-71-MLK-Interchange-Project-Info.aspx
The official MLK Drive Project page from ODOT has a nice timeline for progress on the interchange. I couldn't find any newer information about the project. Anyone have new information on the project's progress?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: GCrites80s on September 05, 2015, 10:19:57 AM
They are really behind on highway mowing this year because of all that rain in the spring and early summer. Grass and weeds got 4-5 feet tall in some places. Routine mowing is turning into grubbing projects.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: vtk on September 05, 2015, 08:41:48 PM
Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know. I had intended to start a thread for each half, one in each forum, with a map in the first post showing how the state is divided, but I've been too busy.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: iBallasticwolf2 on September 05, 2015, 09:28:42 PM
Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know. I had intended to start a thread for each half, one in each forum, with a map in the first post showing how the state is divided, but I've been too busy.
I guess we can make this just be for the Ohio Valley Section of Ohio.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: hbelkins on September 05, 2015, 10:48:41 PM
Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know.

My recollection of the placement of the watershed signs would indicate that it's more like 2/3rds Ohio Valley and 1/3rd Great Lakes.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: vtk on September 06, 2015, 04:20:25 AM
Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know.

My recollection of the placement of the watershed signs would indicate that it's more like 2/3rds Ohio Valley and 1/3rd Great Lakes.

Watersheds would be more relevant if this were a form about canoeing or riverain biology. I proposed dividing the state along DOT district boundaries, and observed some agreement.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: tidecat on September 06, 2015, 10:22:37 AM
I would suggest I-70 as the dividing line.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: 6a on September 06, 2015, 07:21:43 PM

They are really behind on highway mowing this year because of all that rain in the spring and early summer. Grass and weeds got 4-5 feet tall in some places. Routine mowing is turning into grubbing projects.
If I did that, code enforcement would crawl up my ass.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: 6a on September 06, 2015, 07:23:20 PM

I would suggest I-70 as the dividing line.
That divides Columbus, where a fair chunk of posters live, in half. For the record, most of us consider Columbus to be in the Great Lakes area.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: andy on September 06, 2015, 09:43:10 PM

I would suggest I-70 as the dividing line.
That divides Columbus, where a fair chunk of posters live, in half. For the record, most of us consider Columbus to be in the Great Lakes area.
Indiana has the same problem (I70 through Indy), and most of the generic Indiana stuff seems to float up to the Great Lakes.  I've just gotten used to it. And, yes, I do find stuff from as far south as Evansville up there.

Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: hbelkins on September 06, 2015, 10:11:58 PM
Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know.

My recollection of the placement of the watershed signs would indicate that it's more like 2/3rds Ohio Valley and 1/3rd Great Lakes.

Watersheds would be more relevant if this were a form about canoeing or riverain biology. I proposed dividing the state along DOT district boundaries, and observed some agreement.

Not if you want to be technically correct.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: andy on September 06, 2015, 11:17:42 PM
Is this thread supposed to cover all of Ohio, or just the portion covered by the "Ohio Valley" forum? Half the state belongs in the "Great Lakes" forum, you know.

My recollection of the placement of the watershed signs would indicate that it's more like 2/3rds Ohio Valley and 1/3rd Great Lakes.

Watersheds would be more relevant if this were a form about canoeing or riverain biology. I proposed dividing the state along DOT district boundaries, and observed some agreement.

Not if you want to be technically correct.
True, but ....
The Ohio River watershed for which this thread's parent is named (to state the obvious), for Indiana, Ohio and Illinois really would leave only a sliver along the shoreline of the lakes for the Great Lakes region.

Also, it seems I've seen this discussion before. :-/

It just gives me twice the postings to look over.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: GCrites80s on September 07, 2015, 10:28:07 AM
Glaciated Ohio vs. Unglaciated Ohio is my vote on the matter.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: vtk on September 08, 2015, 04:45:26 AM
Glaciated Ohio vs. Unglaciated Ohio is my vote on the matter.

I think there's a noticeable cultural division that roughly follows that line of glacial extent, as well. Hunters on one side, farmers on the other…
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: vtk on September 09, 2015, 01:36:21 PM
So I went and made a map:

(http://vidthekid.info/imghost/ohio-split.png8.png)

Regarding why I split the state the way I did, I first proposed this split in this post (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10379.msg2028723#msg2028723), and nobody objected at the time.  Since this is a roadgeek forum and we talk mostly about stuff the DOT does, it makes sense to me to divide along DOT district boundaries if we have to divide the state at all.  Within that constraint, I attempted to follow the cultural division, between association with the hills, hunting, and the Ohio River, versus association with farming, the Midwest, and Lake Erie.  I can say that in flat central Ohio, even though our drainage flows south, we tend to associate culturally more with the Midwest and/or the Great Lakes region, compared to the Ohio River Valley.  So here we are.

And I made another thread in the Midwest - Great Lakes forum (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16419.0).

Ballastic, if you don't mind, I think it would be helpful if you edited the first post of this thread to include a clarification that this thread is for the Ohio Valley forum section of the state, and include my map and a link to the other thread.  Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Stephane Dumas on September 09, 2015, 09:22:13 PM
Also, I saw some maps showing Appalachian Ohio counties covered by the Appalachian range where the Ohio river drains with the exception of Hamilton county.
http://www.firstohio.com/images/countymap2.gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_Ohio#/media/File:Appalachian_Ohio_Counties.svg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluegrass_region#/media/File:Geographic_regions_ohio.svg
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: andy on September 10, 2015, 01:51:25 PM
Also, I saw some maps showing Appalachian Ohio counties covered by the Appalachian range where the Ohio river drains with the exception of Hamilton county.
http://www.firstohio.com/images/countymap2.gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachian_Ohio#/media/File:Appalachian_Ohio_Counties.svg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluegrass_region#/media/File:Geographic_regions_ohio.svg

Interesting, but not complete.  Much of the remainder of the state enters the Ohio River through Indiana.  For example, the Wabash River of Indiana fame begins north of I70 in Ohio and trails across Indiana to the south west corner.

Edit: just looked; "exception of Hamilton County" cuts off the Miami River which is a major water shed (barely going to Indiana).
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: vtk on September 20, 2015, 01:21:50 AM
US 23 resurfacing in Pike County is almost complete. That's been annoying, with the lane closures. I suppose all that's left is to carve rumble strips.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: mrsman on September 20, 2015, 08:23:04 AM
In my opinion, and I know I've mentioned this before in one of the general forums, it was a mistake for this forum to divide states between regions.  There is a lot of information that applies statewide  and would be best if Ohio remained in one region and not split in two.

Ditto for IN, IL and PA which is split with the Northeast region.

But as the forum has now existed for a number of years, it would be difficult to reorganize all of the old threads to fit in a new nomenclature, so the divisions that exist will remain.

My division would be:

New England
Mid-Atlantic: NY, NJ, PA
DelMarVa: DE,MD,VA,WV,DC
Southeast: NC,SC,GA,FL,AL,MS,TN,KY
Mid-south: AR,LA,OK,TX
Midwest: OH,IN,IL,MI,WI
Plains: ND,SD,NE,KS, MO, IA, MN
Mountain West: ID,MT,WY,UT,CO,AZ,NM,NV
Pac Coast: AK,HI,WA,OR,CA

Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: cl94 on September 28, 2015, 03:37:11 PM
In my opinion, and I know I've mentioned this before in one of the general forums, it was a mistake for this forum to divide states between regions.  There is a lot of information that applies statewide  and would be best if Ohio remained in one region and not split in two.

Ditto for IN, IL and PA which is split with the Northeast region.

But as the forum has now existed for a number of years, it would be difficult to reorganize all of the old threads to fit in a new nomenclature, so the divisions that exist will remain.

My division would be:

New England
Mid-Atlantic: NY, NJ, PA
DelMarVa: DE,MD,VA,WV,DC
Southeast: NC,SC,GA,FL,AL,MS,TN,KY
Mid-south: AR,LA,OK,TX
Midwest: OH,IN,IL,MI,WI
Plains: ND,SD,NE,KS, MO, IA, MN
Mountain West: ID,MT,WY,UT,CO,AZ,NM,NV
Pac Coast: AK,HI,WA,OR,CA

"Mid-Atlantic" is a weird thing as well because that is dependent on who you ask. As far as the general definition goes, the heart of the Mid-Atlantic region is Maryland. While we hate Boston, New England issues are more relevant to New York and separating New York from Connecticut would likely result in some of the thread issues we see today over in Ohio and the like, probably more so because you'd be cutting through the immediate New York metro area. I'd combine your mid-Atlantic category with New England under the current "Northeast", but include all of Pennsylvania. Otherwise, I like it.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: mrsman on October 09, 2015, 03:06:03 PM
In my opinion, and I know I've mentioned this before in one of the general forums, it was a mistake for this forum to divide states between regions.  There is a lot of information that applies statewide  and would be best if Ohio remained in one region and not split in two.

Ditto for IN, IL and PA which is split with the Northeast region.

But as the forum has now existed for a number of years, it would be difficult to reorganize all of the old threads to fit in a new nomenclature, so the divisions that exist will remain.

My division would be:

New England
Mid-Atlantic: NY, NJ, PA
DelMarVa: DE,MD,VA,WV,DC
Southeast: NC,SC,GA,FL,AL,MS,TN,KY
Mid-south: AR,LA,OK,TX
Midwest: OH,IN,IL,MI,WI
Plains: ND,SD,NE,KS, MO, IA, MN
Mountain West: ID,MT,WY,UT,CO,AZ,NM,NV
Pac Coast: AK,HI,WA,OR,CA

"Mid-Atlantic" is a weird thing as well because that is dependent on who you ask. As far as the general definition goes, the heart of the Mid-Atlantic region is Maryland. While we hate Boston, New England issues are more relevant to New York and separating New York from Connecticut would likely result in some of the thread issues we see today over in Ohio and the like, probably more so because you'd be cutting through the immediate New York metro area. I'd combine your mid-Atlantic category with New England under the current "Northeast", but include all of Pennsylvania. Otherwise, I like it.

My main reasoning for splitting NY, NJ, and PA from New England is to keep the number of threads in any one forum about equal.  With the two forums combined, there would be a lot of posts in the Northeast forum (just as there is now). 

Under my scheme the following large metro areas may be divided into more than one forum:

NYC (CT suburbs in New England forum)
Philly (some consider Wilmington DE to be in Greater Philly)
Memphis (AR suburbs are in mid-south)
Louisville (IN is in Midwest)
Cincinnatti (KY is in southeast)
Duluth, MN is in a separate region from Superior, WI
St. Louis (MO is in Plains, IL is in Midwest)

Yet despite these divisions, I still believe it is better to avoid splitting states into two regions.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: civeng on October 09, 2015, 03:42:03 PM
Is there a way for each state's general discussion to appear in each region?  One discussion accessible from multiple regions?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: westerninterloper on October 09, 2015, 11:04:40 PM
Here's a definition of the Midwest I proposed a few years ago that made it onto Andrew Sullivan's blog:

Germans: On this map of ethnic ancestry from the 2000 census, there’s a broad swath of German-plurality counties starting from central New York, through Pennsylvania stretching westward to the Rockies and beyond. Germans help define the southern border of the Midwest (though stray Finnish, Dutch and African-American counties are certainly Midwestern as well). Germans heavily influenced Midwestern architecture, food, religion, and its devotion to public education.  The “American” cultures of Kentucky and southern Missouri are southern – the accents change, Baptists predominate, and so does the food (it gets better down South, but that’s not Paula Deen’s doing). But not all German areas are Midwestern, so a limit to this is:

Grids. A central man-made feature of the Midwest is its grid pattern, which, thanks to the Land Ordinance of 1785 and Glaciation, stretches from south of Cleveland toward Cincinnati, and then west to the Rockies, defining the eastern and southern borders of the region. There are a few pockets where “queer” roads must follow the hills, such as around Bloomington, Indiana, or Athens, Ohio, or in the Ozarks. Those areas are on the fringes of the Midwest. Driving a Detroit-made sedan or pick-up truck down a straight state highway is a Midwestern rite of passage. So straight roads and flatlands (not Appalachian or Ozark zomias) help define the Midwest. This grid was made possible in part by Glaciation, which covered the land with very fertile soil. So the last characteristic is:

Gardens. (I couldn’t find a better synonym for farms that maintained the alliteration.) Anywhere that farming occurs on a wide scale and without irrigation is Midwestern, which defines the western border from about Joplin, Missouri, northward to Topeka, Lincoln continuing to just west of Fargo. Northern Michigan and Wisconsin are also peripherally Midwestern, and I suspect residents of those regions agree, though I can’t speak to northern Minnesota.

Putting this all together, Germans, Grids and Gardens means the Midwest begins in Downtown Cleveland, south to about Athens, Ohio, then west about Cape Girardeau, Missouri, with a bump up I-55 to St. Louis, and back down I-44 to Joplin, then north to Topeka, Lincoln, west of Fargo, to Canada.

The links are available here:
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/07/24/where-is-the-midwest-ctd-2/
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: westerninterloper on October 09, 2015, 11:07:05 PM
For the purposes of this discussion, though I would make it easy: Anything south of I-70 is Ohio Valley; Anything north is Midwest. I think that's how the two sections are divided when it comes to posts about Indiana.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: mrsman on October 13, 2015, 06:00:54 AM
While I advocated for a different regional split, I understand that it would be difficult for the moderators to go back and reclassify thousands of old posts into different regions.  (And I don't have the time to volunteer for that job).  But this thread leads to the conclusion that the two midwest regions (Great Lakes + Ohio Valley) should probably be combined into one as IL, IN, and OH should probably all be within one region.  PA is in three regions!

If the two regions would be combined, we'd have approx. 24,000 posts in the combined group.  That's still less than the approx. 27,000 posts in Northeast region.  We'd still have states that are split, but it would make things a lot easier.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: vtk on October 13, 2015, 11:25:38 AM
Could we instead have this discussion in another thread, such as this one (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=10379.0)?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on November 15, 2015, 08:19:24 PM
Update on the Ironton-Russell bridge:

Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on December 13, 2016, 07:47:58 PM
The new Ironton-Russell Bridge is open now. Drove across it yesterday. 
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: BrianP on December 15, 2016, 05:01:48 PM
I noticed the name of the new bridge on google maps:
Oakley Clark Collins Bridge opens to public today in Ironton and Russell (http://www.herald-dispatch.com/news/ohio_news/oakley-clark-collins-bridge-opens-to-public-today-in-ironton/article_b71a1b9f-d1ba-5ace-b06f-f57b176c1f76.html) (Nov 23rd)
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: marleythedog on January 03, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
I-71 north and southbound have both been on their new decks of the Jeremiah Morrow Bridge for a couple weeks now.

Took this from the Little Miami River trail below (the terrain made it pretty much impossible to get a picture of the whole thing):
(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15740911_319934355072726_5815984719463956291_n.jpg?oh=0984e994f74127413954b96bfd1b2ddd&oe=58DA51F6)

And a lovely reassurance marker at the northbound rest area:
(https://i.imgur.com/Mx9VSzh.jpg)
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on January 04, 2017, 12:36:21 PM
Nice vantage point!
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: 1 on January 04, 2017, 12:56:00 PM
We have two threads with the exact same name, and it might be hard to keep track of which is which. Merge?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: marleythedog on January 04, 2017, 01:31:26 PM
We have two threads with the exact same name, and it might be hard to keep track of which is which. Merge?

There's an Ohio thread in Great Lakes (northern Ohio) and Ohio Valley (southern Ohio). The official definition of the split is on the other thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16419.0 ), though the threads seem to be getting crossed, and there is some contestability about that map, like lumping Dayton into northern Ohio when it's 50 miles from Cincinnati. Maybe a mod could rename the threads Northern Ohio and Southern Ohio?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: hbelkins on January 04, 2017, 01:51:28 PM
We have two threads with the exact same name, and it might be hard to keep track of which is which. Merge?

There's an Ohio thread in Great Lakes (northern Ohio) and Ohio Valley (southern Ohio). The official definition of the split is on the other thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16419.0 ), though the threads seem to be getting crossed, and there is some contestability about that map, like lumping Dayton into northern Ohio when it's 50 miles from Cincinnati. Maybe a mod could rename the threads Northern Ohio and Southern Ohio?

Personally, I think the divide should be the geographical divide between where waters flow into the Ohio River vs. where they flow into the Great Lakes. I posted something about Columbus in the Ohio Valley board and was told by someone it should have been posted in the Great Lakes board -- never mind the fact that the Scioto River flows into the Ohio River and not Lake Erie.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Bitmapped on January 04, 2017, 08:45:05 PM
We have two threads with the exact same name, and it might be hard to keep track of which is which. Merge?

There's an Ohio thread in Great Lakes (northern Ohio) and Ohio Valley (southern Ohio). The official definition of the split is on the other thread (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=16419.0 ), though the threads seem to be getting crossed, and there is some contestability about that map, like lumping Dayton into northern Ohio when it's 50 miles from Cincinnati. Maybe a mod could rename the threads Northern Ohio and Southern Ohio?

Personally, I think the divide should be the geographical divide between where waters flow into the Ohio River vs. where they flow into the Great Lakes. I posted something about Columbus in the Ohio Valley board and was told by someone it should have been posted in the Great Lakes board -- never mind the fact that the Scioto River flows into the Ohio River and not Lake Erie.  :banghead:

If you did that, Akron would be in the Southern Ohio board which makes no logical sense.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: frankenroad on January 05, 2017, 10:23:35 AM
I have a couple ideas, neither of which is perfect.

1.  Divide by area code -- N (419 567 216 440 234 330) & S (937 513 220 380 614 740) - that would cause Marion County to be in the south, though.

2.  South would include the counties that I-70 runs through, plus all counties south of those.  North would be everything else.   - the only problem with that is that Delaware and Franklin Counties, which are closely linked highway-wise, would be in different zones.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on January 05, 2017, 04:15:20 PM

Personally, I think the divide should be the geographical divide between where waters flow into the Ohio River vs. where they flow into the Great Lakes. I posted something about Columbus in the Ohio Valley board and was told by someone it should have been posted in the Great Lakes board -- never mind the fact that the Scioto River flows into the Ohio River and not Lake Erie.  :banghead:

That would look like this...

(http://watercraft.ohiodnr.gov/portals/watercraft/images/maps/divide.png)
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: civeng on January 06, 2017, 09:18:37 AM
Merge threads and access it from both regional boards?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: frankenroad on January 17, 2017, 03:07:24 PM
Surprisingly a general thread for Ohio-related news hasn't been started, so here it is.
http://www.dot.state.oh.us/districts/D08/Pages/I-71-MLK-Interchange-Project-Info.aspx
The official MLK Drive Project page from ODOT has a nice timeline for progress on the interchange. I couldn't find any newer information about the project. Anyone have new information on the project's progress?

The timeline here has not been updated in a couple years, but I think it is mostly still accurate - they do periodically add notifications when there are lane closings (as of today, the latest one is dated 12/19/16.)

My personal observations are that the ramp from MLK to northbound 71 is very close to opening.   I understand that when it is opened, the McMillan on-ramp is going to be shut down for a time for re-vamping.  I would expect this in the March-April 17 time frame.  It would also appear that the Taft Rd exit will have to be closed at least for a weekend if not longer when the new southbound exit ramps for MLK and Taft have the final touches put on them.  They may choose to do this when UC is not in session.   I would assume that the onramp from MLK to southbound 71 would open around the same time.   I don't know if the plan is to open all the ramps simultaneously or not.

I assume that MLK will be Exit 4 - can anyone confirm that?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: cl94 on January 17, 2017, 03:21:45 PM
Merge threads and access it from both regional boards?

Certainly. There really is no clear dividing point. I spent a few years in Columbus and, depending on who you talk to, it's either with the Ohio Valley or the Great Lakes. Culturally, it's more with the Ohio Valley.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on January 17, 2017, 04:15:51 PM
Merge threads and access it from both regional boards?

If possible that would probably be the best way to do it. Though that would only resolve the issue of the general thread for little stuff....the debate about the split would still be there for projects that get their own threads.

And really, there's apparently not that much demand for a southern Ohio general thread. 75% of the posts in this relatively short thread have been about how the state should be divided, not actual road related topics. Meanwhile the general Ohio thread in the Midwest-Great Lakes forum is up to 6 pages covering all sorts of on topic stuff, including the Columbus and Dayton areas.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: cl94 on January 17, 2017, 04:33:14 PM
Which is precisely why we should merge the threads.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: civeng on January 18, 2017, 11:36:14 AM

If possible that would probably be the best way to do it. Though that would only resolve the issue of the general thread for little stuff....the debate about the split would still be there for projects that get their own threads.

Couldn't projects be done the same way, one thread accessible from multiple boards?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on January 18, 2017, 12:18:04 PM
If possible that would probably be the best way to do it. Though that would only resolve the issue of the general thread for little stuff....the debate about the split would still be there for projects that get their own threads.

Couldn't projects be done the same way, one thread accessible from multiple boards?

I suppose, but only for ones that could go either way. No reason to have a Toledo thread accessible from Ohio Valley or a Cincinnati thread in Midwest-Great Lakes.



Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: 74/171FAN on January 18, 2017, 04:45:01 PM
I was actually about to post to the staff forum about this and then saw that it has already been noticed.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: GCrites80s on January 18, 2017, 09:00:30 PM
I like them separated.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: vtk on January 19, 2017, 12:24:49 AM
If it's technically possible, I would prefer the threads merged and available from both forums.  Failing that, I still assert that dividing the state along DOT district lines and paying attention to culture makes more sense than basing the decision on hydrology basins, the literal name of one forum, and half the literal name of the other forum.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: amroad17 on January 19, 2017, 08:00:24 PM
Use I-70 as the dividing line between the two Ohio threads.  North of I-70--Midwest/Great Lakes, south of I-70, Ohio Valley.  As far as Columbus is concerned, I would put any item relating to Columbus in Ohio Valley.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: cl94 on January 19, 2017, 08:04:19 PM
Use I-70 as the dividing line between the two Ohio threads.  North of I-70--Midwest/Great Lakes, south of I-70, Ohio Valley.  As far as Columbus is concerned, I would put any item relating to Columbus in Ohio Valley.

I agree. Culturally, Columbus is more like the Ohio Valley than the industrial Great Lakes region.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on January 19, 2017, 09:27:33 PM
As far as the cultural divide goes, I agree with those who have stated earlier that it falls more or less along the lines of glaciated vs non glaciated Ohio. Basically, where the corn fields give way to foothills, and Columbus is north of that divide.

And it should be noted, when it comes to the history of AAroads, the vast majority of Columbus related topics have been posted in the Midwest Great-Lakes forum, not here in Ohio Valley.

 

Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: vtk on January 20, 2017, 12:12:32 AM
Use I-70 as the dividing line between the two Ohio threads.  North of I-70--Midwest/Great Lakes, south of I-70, Ohio Valley.  As far as Columbus is concerned, I would put any item relating to Columbus in Ohio Valley.

I agree. Culturally, Columbus is more like the Ohio Valley than the industrial Great Lakes region.

This Columbusite identifies more with the corn-growing Midwest than the deer-hunting Ohio Valley.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: westerninterloper on January 21, 2017, 10:35:58 PM
Use I-70 as the dividing line between the two Ohio threads.  North of I-70--Midwest/Great Lakes, south of I-70, Ohio Valley.  As far as Columbus is concerned, I would put any item relating to Columbus in Ohio Valley.

I agree. Culturally, Columbus is more like the Ohio Valley than the industrial Great Lakes region.

This Columbusite identifies more with the corn-growing Midwest than the deer-hunting Ohio Valley.

Each of the three C's is a border town - CLE and COLS between the Midwest and Appalachia, CIN between the Midwest and the (Upper) South.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: dvferyance on January 22, 2017, 03:21:21 PM
Use I-70 as the dividing line between the two Ohio threads.  North of I-70--Midwest/Great Lakes, south of I-70, Ohio Valley.  As far as Columbus is concerned, I would put any item relating to Columbus in Ohio Valley.

I agree. Culturally, Columbus is more like the Ohio Valley than the industrial Great Lakes region.

This Columbusite identifies more with the corn-growing Midwest than the deer-hunting Ohio Valley.

Each of the three C's is a border town - CLE and COLS between the Midwest and Appalachia, CIN between the Midwest and the (Upper) South.
That's not how I would define it. I don't consider that start of Appalachia Cleveland it doesn't start until more like Youngstown. Same goes for Columbus I would say it starts more like Zanesville about 50 miles east and I certainly don't consider Cincinnati to be the beginning of the south. I would consider the beginning of the south heading down on I-75 to be Berea KY just south of Lexington. So Lexington is the border town not Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Rothman on January 23, 2017, 09:03:32 AM
Pfft.  My cousins in Winchester, KY have the drawl, therefore Lexington is in the South.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: dvferyance on January 23, 2017, 01:14:38 PM
Pfft.  My cousins in Winchester, KY have the drawl, therefore Lexington is in the South.
It's a border town some southern accents but not exclusively. North of there is the midwest south of there is the south. My grandparents lived in Virginia another border state like Kentucky  and they didn't have a southern accent. Some southern accents but not everyone That's why a border state is called a border state. It's a little of both.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Rothman on January 23, 2017, 01:20:53 PM
I agree that a lot of people in Virginia don't have the drawl.  However, in my experience, even north of Lexington along I-75, you have the drawl being dominant.  Border states are border states because of the history leading up to the Civil War; Kentucky was technically a Southern state that aligned itself with the North (although, in reality, it was probably more of a brother-against-brother state than anywhere else).

I stick by the placement of Kentucky in the South, just like the Census Bureau (East South Central region).
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: cl94 on January 23, 2017, 02:09:54 PM
I found that the drawl in Virginia really depends on location. DC metro and along the I-95 corridor doesn't have it as much as the I-81 corridor. When going to the Birmingham meet, everybody had it as far north as Harrisonburg.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: AlexandriaVA on January 23, 2017, 03:04:56 PM
A good barometer is to see how much of a county has a high % of multigenerational family members, specifically those hailing from the Scot-Irish settlers. DC won't have the accept because of the homogenization of the local dialect due to recurring inflow of people from outside the region (white people at least...local black residents have more of a common linguistic heritage).
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: hbelkins on January 23, 2017, 05:00:48 PM
I contend that Kentuckians have more of an Appalachian accent than a southern accent. There is a difference. Of course, I think my voice sounds normal, but I'm struck by the accent whenever I hear a referee announce a penalty while watching an SEC football fame (or talk with Cody G.  :-D )
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on January 23, 2017, 06:37:51 PM
I contend that Kentuckians have more of an Appalachian accent than a southern accent. There is a difference. Of course, I think my voice sounds normal, but I'm struck by the accent whenever I hear a referee announce a penalty while watching an SEC football fame (or talk with Cody G.  :-D )

Agreed, the Appalachian accent is definitely different than the deep south accent, and it extends into parts of Ohio as well.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: GCrites80s on January 23, 2017, 08:46:42 PM
If you've got an unskilled labor job in Columbus, you'd better learn how to understand the Appalachian accent very quickly. The reason I say "learn to understand" is that I have worked with people whose accent was so thick that I couldn't understand some things they said initially (even though my mother is from Appalachian Ohio)... and that can be dangerous in that sort of environment. Wherever they were from, it was all the way up the 'holler. These folks have been in Columbus a long time too. You aren't going to lose your Appalachian accent living and working on the South Side. There's a big difference between the way people talk in Monroe County and the Northern Panhandle of WV as compared to SW WV or SE KY. Also you can hear much more Southern influence in the speech patterns of people from East Tennessee.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Rothman on January 24, 2017, 12:18:21 PM
I contend that Kentuckians have more of an Appalachian accent than a southern accent. There is a difference. Of course, I think my voice sounds normal, but I'm struck by the accent whenever I hear a referee announce a penalty while watching an SEC football fame (or talk with Cody G.  :-D )

Agreed, the Appalachian accent is definitely different than the deep south accent, and it extends into parts of Ohio as well.
Thirded.


Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: hbelkins on January 24, 2017, 01:48:49 PM
If you've got an unskilled labor job in Columbus, you'd better learn how to understand the Appalachian accent very quickly. The reason I say "learn to understand" is that I have worked with people whose accent was so thick that I couldn't understand some things they said initially (even though my mother is from Appalachian Ohio)... and that can be dangerous in that sort of environment. Wherever they were from, it was all the way up the 'holler. These folks have been in Columbus a long time too. You aren't going to lose your Appalachian accent living and working on the South Side. There's a big difference between the way people talk in Monroe County and the Northern Panhandle of WV as compared to SW WV or SE KY. Also you can hear much more Southern influence in the speech patterns of people from East Tennessee.

My wife (native of the Dayton, Ohio area; although her parents were both from our hometown) and I both laugh whenever we're watching "Moonshiners" and see the subtitles. We understand what they're saying perfectly, even ol' Jim Tom.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: seicer on January 24, 2017, 02:35:09 PM
Major change coming to Reagan/Montgomery exit (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/local/montgomery/2016/10/17/montgomery-gets-grant-roundabout/92305918/)
Map: http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=39.22265,-84.35809&z=16&t=H

The stub end of OH 126 in Montgomery, once part of a freeway that was to extend further east, will be reconfigured into a roundabout. It will serve as an entrance to a major new development near downtown.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: frankenroad on January 24, 2017, 04:25:45 PM
Major change coming to Reagan/Montgomery exit (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/local/montgomery/2016/10/17/montgomery-gets-grant-roundabout/92305918/)
Map: http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=39.22265,-84.35809&z=16&t=H

The stub end of OH 126 in Montgomery, once part of a freeway that was to extend further east, will be reconfigured into a roundabout. It will serve as an entrance to a major new development near downtown.

I saw this a couple weeks ago....I'll be curious to see how traffic will be maintained during construction.  It's an unusual change is it's going from grade-separated to at-grade.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on January 24, 2017, 04:35:05 PM
What's traffic typically like through there? I've been through that interchange a few times as a passenger while visiting a friend who was living in Remington at the time, though that's been nearly 10 years ago and I don't remember much about the traffic flow. I do recall thinking that was a weird place for the Ronald Reagan to come to an abrupt end....too bad they were never able to finish it all the way east to I-275. 
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: frankenroad on January 24, 2017, 04:44:13 PM
Never got finished because of NIMBYism.....the area it would have gone through is very exclusive (one of the highest income ZIP codes in the state).   I always thought that they could have made a nice parkway (no trucks) to extend the highway to Wards Corner Rd, but I do not know if that option was ever on the table.

As far as traffic, I do not go through there often, and when I do, it's not usually rush hour.  Traffic on Montgomery Road just north of this interchange gets bad during both AM and PM rushes.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: vtk on January 26, 2017, 10:58:02 PM
A few weeks ago, I was northbound on I-71 coming out of Cincinnati towards the end of the evening rush.  I stopped at the Arby's on Montgomery Rd, and while I was in there, there must have been some kind of accident on 71.  Traffic on the freeway was completely stopped, and a police car blocked the northbound entrance ramp.  So I took Montgomery Rd to the Reagan back to 71.  Traffic on this alternate route was moving along just fine, somehow.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: JMoses24 on January 27, 2017, 12:36:12 AM
Surprisingly a general thread for Ohio-related news hasn't been started, so here it is.
http://www.dot.state.oh.us/districts/D08/Pages/I-71-MLK-Interchange-Project-Info.aspx
The official MLK Drive Project page from ODOT has a nice timeline for progress on the interchange. I couldn't find any newer information about the project. Anyone have new information on the project's progress?

The timeline here has not been updated in a couple years, but I think it is mostly still accurate - they do periodically add notifications when there are lane closings (as of today, the latest one is dated 12/19/16.)

My personal observations are that the ramp from MLK to northbound 71 is very close to opening.   I understand that when it is opened, the McMillan on-ramp is going to be shut down for a time for re-vamping.  I would expect this in the March-April 17 time frame.  It would also appear that the Taft Rd exit will have to be closed at least for a weekend if not longer when the new southbound exit ramps for MLK and Taft have the final touches put on them.  They may choose to do this when UC is not in session.   I would assume that the onramp from MLK to southbound 71 would open around the same time.   I don't know if the plan is to open all the ramps simultaneously or not.

I assume that MLK will be Exit 4 - can anyone confirm that?

FWIW, UC's Spring Break is March 13-19. If they're going to time it to coincide with UC being off, that's when.

That, or after final exams April 22-27.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on February 28, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
The past couple of times I've driven through Circleville I've noticed major earthwork going on in the field east of US 23 and south of Pittsburgh Rd and wondered what was going on. After looking into it I've found that there is a new plant being built by an Italian toilet paper/facial tissue/paper towels company on a 280 acre plot: http://www.sofidel.com/en/news-items/groundbreaking-of-the-new-plant-in-circleville

Hopefully the entrance(s) to this plant will connect to Pittsburgh Rd and not directly to US 23, which would make the most sense as Pittsburgh Rd already serves as the connection to 23 for several other plants and has a traffic light.

And as a side note, there is also a new Love's truck stop going up in the immediate SE corner of 23 & Pittsburgh Rd, across from the existing Pilot.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: The Ghostbuster on March 01, 2017, 04:17:14 PM
One Ohio project that has interested me has been the Opportunity Corridor off the end of Interstate 490 in Cleveland. Would anyone like to comment on that project?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on March 02, 2017, 12:08:31 PM
One Ohio project that has interested me has been the Opportunity Corridor off the end of Interstate 490 in Cleveland. Would anyone like to comment on that project?

There is a thread for it here in the Midwest Great Lakes forum (although it hasn't been commented on since 2014):
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=12544.msg303570#msg303570
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: dvferyance on March 02, 2017, 03:13:59 PM
I contend that Kentuckians have more of an Appalachian accent than a southern accent. There is a difference. Of course, I think my voice sounds normal, but I'm struck by the accent whenever I hear a referee announce a penalty while watching an SEC football fame (or talk with Cody G.  :-D )
It all varies where you are. I do associate SE Kentucky with the south no question it's culturally southern but the areas near Louisville and Cincinnati are different they are more connected with the midwest.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: hbelkins on March 02, 2017, 03:35:10 PM
I contend that Kentuckians have more of an Appalachian accent than a southern accent. There is a difference. Of course, I think my voice sounds normal, but I'm struck by the accent whenever I hear a referee announce a penalty while watching an SEC football fame (or talk with Cody G.  :-D )
It all varies where you are. I do associate SE Kentucky with the south no question it's culturally southern but the areas near Louisville and Cincinnati are different they are more connected with the midwest.

Yet I get the impression that those in Boone, Kenton and Campbell counties have the attitude of, "You're in the south now!"

Or "Y'all are in the south, now," if you prefer.  :-D
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: dvferyance on March 02, 2017, 05:05:50 PM
I contend that Kentuckians have more of an Appalachian accent than a southern accent. There is a difference. Of course, I think my voice sounds normal, but I'm struck by the accent whenever I hear a referee announce a penalty while watching an SEC football fame (or talk with Cody G.  :-D )
It all varies where you are. I do associate SE Kentucky with the south no question it's culturally southern but the areas near Louisville and Cincinnati are different they are more connected with the midwest.

Yet I get the impression that those in Boone, Kenton and Campbell counties have the attitude of, "You're in the south now!"

Or "Y'all are in the south, now," if you prefer.  :-D
I just think northern Kentucky is still too far north to be considered the south. Let's face it Ohio is just to the north which borders Lake Erie which also borders Canada. Even southern Kentucky feels northern when your coming up from Florida/Georgia although I will still say it's southern.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: sparker on March 04, 2017, 02:54:10 AM
Having traveled OH 32 east-to-west, my impression was that east of US 23 the overall "feel" of both the area and the people residing in that area was a virtual western extension of West Virginia.  Once past US 23, it had more of the "classic Midwest" vibe -- particularly from about Peebles west into metro Cincinnati.  As an aside, the northern Kentucky 'burbs of Cincinnati share that same Midwestern feel as does Cincinnati itself; I can't say the same for the remainder of the state, which "leans" South but, on the other hand, always seems to want to assert some sense of independence or "uniqueness". 
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: GCrites80s on March 07, 2017, 09:19:54 PM
I contend that Kentuckians have more of an Appalachian accent than a southern accent. There is a difference. Of course, I think my voice sounds normal, but I'm struck by the accent whenever I hear a referee announce a penalty while watching an SEC football fame (or talk with Cody G.  :-D )
It all varies where you are. I do associate SE Kentucky with the south no question it's culturally southern but the areas near Louisville and Cincinnati are different they are more connected with the midwest.

Yet I get the impression that those in Boone, Kenton and Campbell counties have the attitude of, "You're in the south now!"

Or "Y'all are in the south, now," if you prefer.  :-D


Florence, Y'all
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: amroad17 on March 08, 2017, 12:26:12 AM
Having traveled OH 32 east-to-west, my impression was that east of US 23 the overall "feel" of both the area and the people residing in that area was a virtual western extension of West Virginia.  Once past US 23, it had more of the "classic Midwest" vibe -- particularly from about Peebles west into metro Cincinnati.  As an aside, the northern Kentucky 'burbs of Cincinnati share that same Midwestern feel as does Cincinnati itself; I can't say the same for the remainder of the state, which "leans" South but, on the other hand, always seems to want to assert some sense of independence or "uniqueness".
I agree with your assertion of OH 32.  Once past Peebles, more specifically once past OH 73 six miles east of Peebles, the vibe/feel does change--as well as the terrain.  East past OH 73, one is starting to encounter the Appalachian foothills (especially the hill climb and descent at the Adams/Pike County line) and there is obviously an even more of a rural "feel" from there all the way to Belpre.

Since I live in the "Kentucky 'burbs of Cincinnati" and am not a "born Kentuckian", I can say that a majority of the people that live here lean more "South" than "Midwest".  Northern Kentucky does have a very suburban Cincinnati look, but these folks would rather associate with those from Lexington or Louisville than those from Cincinnati--even though many people (including me) live in Northern Kentucky and work in the Cincinnati area of Ohio.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on March 08, 2017, 11:10:48 AM
Since I live in the "Kentucky 'burbs of Cincinnati" and am not a "born Kentuckian", I can say that a majority of the people that live here lean more "South" than "Midwest".  Northern Kentucky does have a very suburban Cincinnati look, but these folks would rather associate with those from Lexington or Louisville than those from Cincinnati--even though many people (including me) live in Northern Kentucky and work in the Cincinnati area of Ohio.

That's the same vibe I get when stopping in that area...you definitely know you're in Kentucky. Although I should point out, where I typically stop is along the stretch between 275 and the 71/75 split, so I can't speak much for the Newport/Covington/Bellevue area.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: dvferyance on March 08, 2017, 02:34:33 PM
Everyone can have their own opinion. It's just how I would define it everything north of I-64 is the midwest. South of there about 30 or 40 miles or so is the transition zone. And south of there is where the real south begins. Berea KY is the place I would consider to be the gateway to the south if your on I-75.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: sparker on March 08, 2017, 05:01:39 PM
Everyone can have their own opinion. It's just how I would define it everything north of I-64 is the midwest. South of there about 30 or 40 miles or so is the transition zone. And south of there is where the real south begins. Berea KY is the place I would consider to be the gateway to the south if your on I-75.

The few times I've been to Lexington I've come away with the impression of a college town "grown up" into a full-fledged city -- not Midwest, not South -- maybe because a lot of the folks there (including several personal friends) weren't KY natives but ended up there because of the ambience and the more collegiate "feel" to the town.  Having a lot of "startup" businesses with Lexington-area HQ's adds to that impression.  This is in comparison to Louisville, which always seemed more "southern" to me although on the same basic latitude as Lexington. 
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: hbelkins on March 09, 2017, 10:20:43 AM
I've never thought of Lexington as a college town even though UK is there. Lexington, for this area of the state, has always been two things. One is the major shopping/entertainment/medical hub for the reason. Two is the home of the snobby NIMBY horse farm owners. Take away UK and Lexington is still going to be what it is.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Rothman on March 10, 2017, 09:14:33 AM
I actually think removing UK from Lexington would be a big hit to it.  It would still be there, but it wouldn't be the size that it is today.  UK's a huge employer.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: vtk on April 15, 2017, 06:33:38 PM
The traffic light on US 23 in front of Malwart on the south end of Waverly has been improperly configured since the repaving last year. This signal has "prepare to stop when flashing" advance warning signs, but they don't start flashing until a fraction of a second after the signal itself turns yellow. A driver can pass the advance sign when it's not flashing, assume the light will stay green, and then be surprised when it turns red in front of em.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on April 23, 2017, 04:04:46 PM
Down goes the Jeremiah Morrow Bridge:

Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on May 25, 2017, 10:08:29 PM
Ironton-Russell Bridge demolition:

Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on January 30, 2018, 02:39:58 PM
I was in a craft store last week and while walking down the scrapbook background page aisle I noticed one that was a road map. So being a roadgeek I naturally picked it up to get a better look to see if I could figure out where it was...and it took all of about 2 seconds to realize this was a map of southern Ohio.

After looking at it a little closer it was obvious to see that whoever made this has taken a Rand McNally image and made some changes to it to make it seem generic, like changing I-71 to I-11 and leaving off some recognizable names such a Xenia, Chillicothe and just the "Court  House" part from Washington Court House. Looks most of the other route numbers and place names were left alone.

I thought this was interesting and figured it was worth sharing here. Anyone notice any other things wrong or changed on this map?



(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180130/b35b56b32e56d0442b71c7b6e023a660.jpg)

VS988

Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: seicer on January 30, 2018, 04:05:26 PM
This map predates, what, 1995? OH 32 hasn't been finished near Piketon and US 23. And a good chunk of US 35 on both sides of I-71 have not been converted into an expressway.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: sparker on January 30, 2018, 05:40:04 PM
Looks like a misprint here: an I-11 shield on I-71 at the north edge of the map segment shown.  And the above post was right about OH 32 in the Scioto Valley; that wasn't done, IIRC, until 1996 or 1997. 
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: thenetwork on February 02, 2018, 12:44:05 AM
Xenia was wiped off the map...Kinda like how Xenia was pretty much wiped off the map in the 1974 Tornado.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: triplemultiplex on February 02, 2018, 09:13:58 AM
Xenia was wiped off the map...Kinda like how Xenia was pretty much wiped off the map in the 1974 Tornado.
So the map is from 1975 then?  :poke:
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on February 02, 2018, 09:54:57 AM
And the above post was right about OH 32 in the Scioto Valley; that wasn't done, IIRC, until 1996 or 1997.

Sounds about right, as I can vaguely remember that section of 32 being 2 lanes when I was a young kid. I want to say that the current diamond interchange with US 23 was already there when it was still 2 lanes, anyone know when it was built?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: BrianP on February 02, 2018, 11:51:59 AM
And the above post was right about OH 32 in the Scioto Valley; that wasn't done, IIRC, until 1996 or 1997.

Sounds about right, as I can vaguely remember that section of 32 being 2 lanes when I was a young kid. I want to say that the current diamond interchange with US 23 was already there when it was still 2 lanes, anyone know when it was built?
Historical Aerials says the interchange was there in 1960.  While the 1959 topo map doesn't show either road. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_State_Route_124
Says:
Quote
1997 – Jasper to Givens upgraded to divided highway.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: seicer on February 02, 2018, 12:19:26 PM
The interchange was moved north when OH 32 was widened in 1997 from Jasper east to Givens, completing the last gap for that corridor. US 23 was widened to four lanes through the area in 1960 and an interchange was added for OH 124.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on February 03, 2018, 10:50:33 PM


The interchange was moved north when OH 32 was widened in 1997 from Jasper east to Givens, completing the last gap for that corridor. US 23 was widened to four lanes through the area in 1960 and an interchange was added for OH 124.

Thanks, I actually drove through there today on 23, and having read your post before leaving I knew to look for signs of this and noticed the old location of 124 which is now part of a local road and still goes under 23 under the original bridge.

VS988

Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: vtk on March 20, 2018, 08:21:21 AM
Yeah, and grading for the old ramps in the south half of the old interchange is still visible in-person.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: dvferyance on March 21, 2018, 07:22:11 PM
I contend that Kentuckians have more of an Appalachian accent than a southern accent. There is a difference. Of course, I think my voice sounds normal, but I'm struck by the accent whenever I hear a referee announce a penalty while watching an SEC football fame (or talk with Cody G.  :-D )
It all varies where you are. I do associate SE Kentucky with the south no question it's culturally southern but the areas near Louisville and Cincinnati are different they are more connected with the midwest.

Yet I get the impression that those in Boone, Kenton and Campbell counties have the attitude of, "You're in the south now!"

Or "Y'all are in the south, now," if you prefer.  :-D


Florence, Y'all
That is a misspelling it supposed to say Florence Mall.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on March 21, 2018, 08:07:12 PM
Florence, Y'all
That is a misspelling it supposed to say Florence Mall.

Not a misspelling, but rather a deliberate change. Florence was told that their water tower advertisement for the mall was too high to comply with state law, so they made the minor changes to convert "MALL" to "Y'ALL" because it was cheaper than painting over the whole word. 
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: hbelkins on March 22, 2018, 11:02:43 AM
Florence, Y'all
That is a misspelling it supposed to say Florence Mall.

Not a misspelling, but rather a deliberate change. Florence was told that their water tower advertisement for the mall was too high to comply with state law, so they made the minor changes to convert "MALL" to "Y'ALL" because it was cheaper than painting over the whole word.

No, not really. The Florence Mall water tower predated the mall by many years. The reason they changed it from Mall to Y'all was because they were told they could not advertise something that wasn't in existence yet. I remember when the tower said "Mall" and I remember the story when it changed to "Y'all."
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: paulthemapguy on October 11, 2018, 09:33:10 AM
I noticed this route marker for OH-177 along OH-73 the other day, with a larger font used for the numbers.  I'll show another photo below to show the font size usually used on Ohio state route markers.  Do people prefer this larger font size?  Do you think it would be better?  Why doesn't ODOT use larger numbers like this as a general rule?

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1934/43431632020_c7f077b5af_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/29aUt4J)
OH-073-177E (https://flic.kr/p/29aUt4J) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1913/31370740678_4f7f7b259a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PN8fgh)
OH-130-US27ER (https://flic.kr/p/PN8fgh) by Paul Drives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/138603251@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on January 18, 2020, 02:06:30 PM
The rest area on US 33 westbound between Pomeroy and Darwin now has modern restroom facilities. I remember it being primitive not too long ago.

It's the smallest restroom I've seen for a modern Ohio rest area (1 stall, 1 urinal in the men's, and I assume 2 stalls for the women) but it's better than what it had before. Not quite sure, but they may have installed these flush toilets in the same building that housed the primitive ones.

And for whatever reason the little kiosk shack has a map of Meigs County and an Ohio map with the city inset side showing....but no full Ohio road map on display. Though at least there are folded maps available in a brochure holder.



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Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: roadwaywiz95 on May 27, 2020, 05:17:22 PM
With this weekend being a Cincinnati-themed one in the Road Meet department, we'll have a special Cincinnati-themed live event for folks to enjoy this Saturday (5/30) starting at 3 PM ET. It'll feature contributions from members across the road enthusiast community, including members of this forum, and we hope you can join us for what's sure to be an awesome event!

Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: seicer on June 29, 2020, 08:29:50 PM
Location: https://goo.gl/maps/MWATiEVo76H7utAU7

SR 32/Brooks Malott Road interchange construction (https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odot/projects/projects/110478?fbclid=IwAR0Vrp3l_iNqKyf5x_kWboQmqc-0gA3Fqy0GDuTiBWVmBhbB3N7pB0B7Dyo)

The proposed project will replace the existing at-grade intersection at state Route 32 and Brooks Malott Road in Mount Orab with a full interchange and provide additional safety upgrades at State Route 32 and Bodman Rd.

--

What's the purpose of building a new interchange but then making Brooks Malott Road and Bodman Road right-in intersections? Why not close both intersections?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Bitmapped on June 30, 2020, 10:55:07 PM
Location: https://goo.gl/maps/MWATiEVo76H7utAU7

SR 32/Brooks Malott Road interchange construction (https://www.transportation.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odot/projects/projects/110478?fbclid=IwAR0Vrp3l_iNqKyf5x_kWboQmqc-0gA3Fqy0GDuTiBWVmBhbB3N7pB0B7Dyo)

The proposed project will replace the existing at-grade intersection at state Route 32 and Brooks Malott Road in Mount Orab with a full interchange and provide additional safety upgrades at State Route 32 and Bodman Rd.

--

What's the purpose of building a new interchange but then making Brooks Malott Road and Bodman Road right-in intersections? Why not close both intersections?

Looks like they're trying to avoid making people back-track. I tend to agree, though, if you've got a full interchange nearby and especially if you've restricted access to that extent, just close the intersections.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: GCrites80s on July 09, 2020, 09:14:43 PM
That Mercy Health building at the corner has an ER. I bet that's why.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: SkyPesos on December 16, 2020, 11:09:07 PM
Took a picture of this at the I-71/MLK interchange a few months ago. Normally, ODOT markes freeway entrances with a BGS instead of a standalone shield, so it's weird seeing this Caltrans style sign, with the angled down arrow and direction tab below the interstate shield. Are there any more examples of this in the state, or is this just a one-off?
(https://i.imgur.com/w6uD1Ka.jpg?3)
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on December 17, 2020, 09:25:32 AM
The entrance to US 20 East from OH 53 in Fremont has signs like that with down angled arrows on either side of the ramp entrance. This is in addition to a BGS (the BGS lists US 20, US 6 and OH 19 which are concurrent on the Fremont bypass, while the ground level shields are just US 20)
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on December 17, 2020, 10:18:13 PM
Cleveland Ave/Oh 710 to I-270 WB, Westerville-NE Columbus
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on December 17, 2020, 10:53:42 PM
The entrance to US 20 East from OH 53 in Fremont has signs like that with down angled arrows on either side of the ramp entrance. This is in addition to a BGS (the BGS lists US 20, US 6 and OH 19 which are concurrent on the Fremont bypass, while the ground level shields are just US 20)

US 20 @ US 6 (heading east to Sandusky) as well
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50731130303_fea7ff1142_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: SkyPesos on December 17, 2020, 11:31:38 PM
Now all the state needs are the "freeway entrance" signs to make the setup complete ;)
the closest we got are the blue
Ramp
Insert Road Name Here
To
W 438
type of signs
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: frankenroad on December 23, 2020, 12:16:58 PM
Took a picture of this at the I-71/MLK interchange a few months ago. Normally, ODOT markes freeway entrances with a BGS instead of a standalone shield, so it's weird seeing this Caltrans style sign, with the angled down arrow and direction tab below the interstate shield. Are there any more examples of this in the state, or is this just a one-off?
(https://i.imgur.com/w6uD1Ka.jpg?3)

They are starting to be more common around Ohio.  In addition to the one in Fremont mentioned elsewhere, they are on the entrance to eastbound OH-126 (Ronald Reagan Hwy) from US-27 (Colerain Ave) in the Cincinnati suburbs.

The place that really could use them is the westbound entrance ramp to I-74 at Colerain/Beekman in Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: GCrites80s on December 23, 2020, 09:58:36 PM
I don't use anything on Reagan Highway as a yardstick for anything "normal" even on the sections that opened in the '90s or later though.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: frankenroad on January 04, 2021, 01:06:43 PM
I just noticed another one, on North Bend Rd at the entrance to eastbound I-74 just west of Cincinnati.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Harvestman on January 09, 2021, 10:09:50 PM
Anyone missing a big ole "Keep Right" sign? Or at least part of one? Spotted in a Queensgate scrapyard back in October.
(https://i.imgur.com/pGOP6xXh.jpg)
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: seicer on March 08, 2021, 08:12:45 PM
Major rehabilitation project to shut down part of State Route 7 (https://www.wsaz.com/2021/03/08/major-rehabilitation-project-to-shut-down-part-of-state-route-7/)

"A major rehabilitation project will close part of State Route 7 at Crown City. The project is set to start on March 22.

[...]

ODOT says the concrete pavement in this section was constructed in 1947 and repaired in 1994 and 2013. Part of the project includes removing the concrete and replacing it will full-depth asphalt pavement. There will also be new culverts, catch basins, new guardrail, new signing and rumble strips."

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I wouldn't have guessed this pavement was 74 years old! Google streetview: https://goo.gl/maps/88WB1LSyCLPw3F74A
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Buck87 on June 01, 2021, 06:31:13 PM
I've noticed that Scioto County has gone to the standard blue pentagon for their county route signs. Gone are the unique orange, black and white county outline signs that I really liked. 

LM-Q620

Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: GCrites80s on June 01, 2021, 09:14:22 PM
I'm sure this has been covered before, but why are county roads in some counties all named (such as in Franklin and Pickaway Counties) with possibly a county road number added to the end of the name blade but other counties e.g. in Appalachian Ohio only given numbers and get only numbered County Road/Route signs. In addition, county roads in these areas are given "secret names" that aren't much of a secret to locals. And if they do get official names they have both the first and last names of the person (especially present in District 9). It would make more sense if this was all the same at the state level like in WV... well sort of, since WV has state split routes rather than county roads. I know that some ODOT districts do things differently than others but these are county things. Is it just traditional/vernacular?
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Bitmapped on June 06, 2021, 11:33:03 AM
I'm sure this has been covered before, but why are county roads in some counties all named (such as in Franklin and Pickaway Counties) with possibly a county road number added to the end of the name blade but other counties e.g. in Appalachian Ohio only given numbers and get only numbered County Road/Route signs. In addition, county roads in these areas are given "secret names" that aren't much of a secret to locals. And if they do get official names they have both the first and last names of the person (especially present in District 9). It would make more sense if this was all the same at the state level like in WV... well sort of, since WV has state split routes rather than county roads. I know that some ODOT districts do things differently than others but these are county things. Is it just traditional/vernacular?

There are two things in play here - whether the road has a name or just a number, and how they are signed. My experience has been that in NW Ohio, many counties have just numbers. (Some, like Seneca, had names previously but ditched them in favor of numbers.) In the most of the rest of the state, including Appalachia, there are normally names and numbers. This is a county-level decision.

Different counties have their own styles for signing their road names and numbers, both in terms of shields and blades, on their own signage. Stark County, until about a decade ago, only signed names. Since then, they've started adding some blue pentagon shields at intersections.  Some poorer area, like Monroe County, historically only used shields even though their routes had numbers, but with the advent of E911, you generally see road name blades as well.

ODOT's own signage practices for intersections along 4-lane divided highways tends to vary. Historically, they would just say County Road XX or Township Road XX. In the last 20 years, it's tended to flip more towards Road Name or Road Name XX on signage, but that's not entirely consistent. It seems to vary on age of signage and district.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: GCrites80s on June 06, 2021, 09:17:21 PM

Different counties have their own styles for signing their road names and numbers, both in terms of shields and blades, on their own signage. Stark County, until about a decade ago, only signed names. Since then, they've started adding some blue pentagon shields at intersections.  Some poorer area, like Monroe County, historically only used shields even though their routes had numbers, but with the advent of E911, you generally see road name blades as well.


Monroe County is another one of those where on older maps and signs there was just a route number that the locals seldom used since they knew the "secret name" of the road. So when sign blades were added and address numbers given (instead of RR#2 or whatever, that was my grandparents' old address before 911) the names the locals used were put on the blades. Even though 911 happened around the late '80s there, it would take some time before all the named sign blades were in place... late '90s or even later. Like for example, I never knew Pfalzgraf Ridge Road (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Township+Hwy+156,+Adams+Township,+OH/@39.7593671,-81.002311,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88361ad094d16e07:0xf9a5295a1e8389a3!8m2!3d39.7614249!4d-80.995745 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Township+Hwy+156,+Adams+Township,+OH/@39.7593671,-81.002311,16z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x88361ad094d16e07:0xf9a5295a1e8389a3!8m2!3d39.7614249!4d-80.995745)) was called that until a visit in 2007 since it just had a route number before that. You can't enter the name in to Google maps. You have to use the Township Highway number (156) but Maps will display the name on the map. That's my middle name so of course I found it interesting. It was certainly named after a relative.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Harvestman on June 11, 2021, 11:42:07 PM
It appears that, back when Marge Schott roamed the earth, these signs near Cincinnati's Western Hills Viaduct had some extra shields that were removed over time.  Anyone happen to know what they were?
(https://i.imgur.com/GLrcBtUh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1NFGGhgh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Cy5MWndh.jpg)
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: SkyPesos on June 12, 2021, 07:38:49 AM
Those look old enough that it was probably there when US 25 existed in Ohio. Though US 25 was mostly concurrent with US 42 up to Sharonville, where it split on the left to continue on Reading Rd, eventually becoming Cincinnati-Dayton Rd.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: Hot Rod Hootenanny on June 12, 2021, 11:30:26 AM
It appears that, back when Marge Schott roamed the earth, these signs near Cincinnati's Western Hills Viaduct had some extra shields that were removed over time.  Anyone happen to know what they were?

Oh 4, US 52, US 27, or US 127 (babe!). All of them are (were) routed near I-75 in that area.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: westerninterloper on June 12, 2021, 11:59:54 PM
It appears that, back when Marge Schott roamed the earth, these signs near Cincinnati's Western Hills Viaduct had some extra shields that were removed over time.  Anyone happen to know what they were?
(https://i.imgur.com/GLrcBtUh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1NFGGhgh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Cy5MWndh.jpg)

There are similar-era signs in West Toledo, with the shields removed, where US 23, 24 and 25 converged then branched off into Michigan.
Title: Re: Ohio
Post by: frankenroad on June 14, 2021, 01:32:22 PM
It appears that, back when Marge Schott roamed the earth, these signs near Cincinnati's Western Hills Viaduct had some extra shields that were removed over time.  Anyone happen to know what they were?
(https://i.imgur.com/GLrcBtUh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/1NFGGhgh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Cy5MWndh.jpg)

There are similar-era signs in West Toledo, with the shields removed, where US 23, 24 and 25 converged then branched off into Michigan.

The Harrison Ave sign (a similar one is still there, BTW) would have said US-52 WEST.  Not sure exactly where the other two were located, but the routing of US-52 through Cincinnati has changed a couple of times over the last 50 years, so that could be what was covered up.