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Started by peterj920, February 24, 2019, 09:44:39 PM

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silverback1065

Quote from: JREwing78 on March 17, 2024, 09:31:33 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on March 14, 2024, 02:18:00 AM
There's going to be a new Perry St overpass across The Beltline that was announced today. The new bridge will be built just to the west of the US 14/US 151 Interchange.

From the DOT press release: "The funding is aimed at reconnecting communities that were cut off by transportation infrastructure decades ago, leaving entire neighborhoods without direct access to opportunity, like schools, jobs, medical offices and places of worship."

Yeah, this is NOT a "cut off" community. This is a light commercial/industrial district that is separated from a mixed commercial/residential area by a highway. It's a stupid location to try to cram in another vehicle overpass, and it won't do a damn thing for the folks who live there. What it *might* do is make the area south of the Beltline more viable for redevelopment - and I suspect that's ultimately the City's goal, press releases be damned.

It's easily a $10-15 million project for a vehicle bridge to connect the two sides, only one of which has an appreciable residential population - nobody lives in the City of Madison section south of the Beltline. Both areas already have ample ways to get in and out by car. Not to mention, they'll need to grab a bunch of property on both sides of the Beltline to put this bridge in there.

Take out the slum motels on each side of the highway the most expensive way possible! Do eeet!!!

If we're merely talking about a pedestrian and bike overpass, that makes a lot more sense. There is a dearth of options to safely cross the Beltline as a pedestrian or cyclist, and this would provide a viable way into the City from the Capital City bike trail or neighborhood farther south in Fitchburg. It can be done without nearly the amount of disruption or property acquisition as a vehicle overpass.

it's simply political speak  :-D


triplemultiplex

While the beltline didn't cut off access to something that previously was there, it does offer an inconvenience to accessing the light industrial area that has developed south of the beltline since its construction.
My reading between the lines is someone likes the idea of people living in south Madison neighborhoods to be able to walk/bike to jobs in that industrial park.  Or at least drive there without using Fish Hatch.  That area south of the beltline is kind of on an island presently with only Fish Hatch connecting it to the rest of the city.

Like I said earlier, it would be great if such an overpass could be folded into a project to braid the ramps between Park and Fish Hatch.  Those are sucky merges most times of day.
"That's just like... your opinion, man."

SEWIGuy

Quote from: JREwing78 on March 17, 2024, 09:31:33 PM
Quote from: peterj920 on March 14, 2024, 02:18:00 AM
There's going to be a new Perry St overpass across The Beltline that was announced today. The new bridge will be built just to the west of the US 14/US 151 Interchange.

From the DOT press release: "The funding is aimed at reconnecting communities that were cut off by transportation infrastructure decades ago, leaving entire neighborhoods without direct access to opportunity, like schools, jobs, medical offices and places of worship."

Yeah, this is NOT a "cut off" community. This is a light commercial/industrial district that is separated from a mixed commercial/residential area by a highway. It's a stupid location to try to cram in another vehicle overpass, and it won't do a damn thing for the folks who live there. What it *might* do is make the area south of the Beltline more viable for redevelopment - and I suspect that's ultimately the City's goal, press releases be damned.

It's easily a $10-15 million project for a vehicle bridge to connect the two sides, only one of which has an appreciable residential population - nobody lives in the City of Madison section south of the Beltline. Both areas already have ample ways to get in and out by car. Not to mention, they'll need to grab a bunch of property on both sides of the Beltline to put this bridge in there.

Take out the slum motels on each side of the highway the most expensive way possible! Do eeet!!!

If we're merely talking about a pedestrian and bike overpass, that makes a lot more sense. There is a dearth of options to safely cross the Beltline as a pedestrian or cyclist, and this would provide a viable way into the City from the Capital City bike trail or neighborhood farther south in Fitchburg. It can be done without nearly the amount of disruption or property acquisition as a vehicle overpass.

I think the City using this for additional development south of the Beltline is exactly what they are thinking about here. The portion south of the Beltline really hasn't changed much in the last few decades. Remember this was part of the old Town of Madison so the City hasn't had its hands on it for awhile.

The Ghostbuster

Originally, the underpass at Terrence Ave. (just south of Exit 251AB), and the overpass at S. High Point Rd. were the only grade-separations that had no access to the Beltline. Then in 2005, the overpass for Agriculture Dr. (between Exit 266 and Exit 267AB) was constructed, and the Middleton Bypass was completed. More grade-separations should have been constructed along the Beltline. However, there are plenty of space constraints, especially between Exits 257 and 264. Maybe the ongoing Madison Beltline Study (https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/sw/madisonbeltline/default.aspx) will ultimately provide additional grade-separations to the corridor.

midwesternroadguy

Quote from: The Ghostbuster on March 18, 2024, 05:44:20 PM
Originally, the underpass at Terrence Ave. (just south of Exit 251AB),

Terrace Avenue



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