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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #75 on: April 12, 2022, 03:45:54 PM »

to be fair with 24, that portion from lafayette center to 69 was there as a divided highway for much longer than lafayette center's 4 lane segment. i think the 24 segment has been around since the late 50s. also 24 used to go south on 69 then east on 469. they flipped it a few years ago i think because of the garbage interchange at 469/24 (the same one they are fixing now).

Here's my take:
  • US-24 was completed to exit 302 before I-469 was even constructed
  • I-469 was originally going to tie into I-69 at 302 until GM announced their plant at 296
  • I-469 is built south to north form exit 296
  • US-24 is routed on 469 south side when built to exit 21
  • US-24 is rerouted to north side years later because it is shorter distance from 302
  • US-24 should be routed on 900/Lafayette Center, existing US-24 should be IN-924, IN-114 takes over 24 to exit 302.

 :hmmm: Really? that makes a lot of sense, I always wondered why 469 ends where it does on the south side. 469 isn't very useful south of 30 for non trucks.

Getting truck traffic out of downtown was the main reason the road was built in the first place so it doesn't defeat the purpose. I-469 was always meant to serve US-30 and US-24 over I-69.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #76 on: April 14, 2022, 02:08:07 PM »

to be fair with 24, that portion from lafayette center to 69 was there as a divided highway for much longer than lafayette center's 4 lane segment. i think the 24 segment has been around since the late 50s. also 24 used to go south on 69 then east on 469. they flipped it a few years ago i think because of the garbage interchange at 469/24 (the same one they are fixing now).

Here's my take:
  • US-24 was completed to exit 302 before I-469 was even constructed
  • I-469 was originally going to tie into I-69 at 302 until GM announced their plant at 296
  • I-469 is built south to north form exit 296
  • US-24 is routed on 469 south side when built to exit 21
  • US-24 is rerouted to north side years later because it is shorter distance from 302
  • US-24 should be routed on 900/Lafayette Center, existing US-24 should be IN-924, IN-114 takes over 24 to exit 302.

 :hmmm: Really? that makes a lot of sense, I always wondered why 469 ends where it does on the south side. 469 isn't very useful south of 30 for non trucks.

Getting truck traffic out of downtown was the main reason the road was built in the first place so it doesn't defeat the purpose. I-469 was always meant to serve US-30 and US-24 over I-69.
Exactly. I remember what Coliseum Boulevard used to be like before I-469 was built. It sometimes took a half hour to an hour to get from Stellhorn Road/Crescent Avenue to the Glenbrook Mall, just because it was that clogged with trucks trying to get from points east and west.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #77 on: April 20, 2022, 09:52:41 PM »

Just heard that this garbage interchange will simply be a cloverleaf. Just another I-69 at US 30 (northwest) crashtrap. Slow-moving semi trucks entering I-469 southbound from US 24 westbound, weaving with trucks trying to exit I-469 SB to US 24 EB. I would like to see this in a VISSIM model.

Fort Wayne has the lamest highway system of any comparable city in the US- Fort Wayne always gets the bread crumbs.

INDOT doesn't even provide Ohio control cities on their lousy signage. No control city in OH is posted at either the US 24 or US 30 interchanges on I-469.

(I'm originally from the Fort Wayne area- live in Florida now)
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #78 on: April 21, 2022, 03:38:00 AM »

Just heard that this garbage interchange will simply be a cloverleaf. Just another I-69 at US 30 (northwest) crashtrap. Slow-moving semi trucks entering I-469 southbound from US 24 westbound, weaving with trucks trying to exit I-469 SB to US 24 EB. I would like to see this in a VISSIM model.

Fort Wayne has the lamest highway system of any comparable city in the US- Fort Wayne always gets the bread crumbs.

INDOT doesn't even provide Ohio control cities on their lousy signage. No control city in OH is posted at either the US 24 or US 30 interchanges on I-469.

(I'm originally from the Fort Wayne area- live in Florida now)

It's lame but it works. Rush hour's not terrible, we have viable ways to travel around town from all directions, and lack of control cities on a 3di is standard for the state.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #79 on: April 21, 2022, 11:42:07 AM »

I don't see the point in making the interchange free flowing if trucks are going to be merging onto the highway at 20MPH. It would make more sense to just use a double left turn with good light timing so trucks can hit the merge point at a decent speed.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #80 on: April 21, 2022, 12:52:47 PM »

I don't see the point in making the interchange free flowing if trucks are going to be merging onto the highway at 20MPH. It would make more sense to just use a double left turn with good light timing so trucks can hit the merge point at a decent speed.

It's an entirely free flowing corridor between I-469 and I-475, the latter is a full cloverleaf interchange. I'll take the cloverleaf option for this one though I would've preferred the original flyover design.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #81 on: April 21, 2022, 01:14:12 PM »

It's standard practice to not use outside of state control cities on US Highways, at least it is in Indiana.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #82 on: April 21, 2022, 01:23:03 PM »

It's standard practice to not use outside of state control cities on US Highways, at least it is in Indiana.

Niles, MI, is used as a control city for US 31 as far south as the southern junction with US 20.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #83 on: April 21, 2022, 01:25:50 PM »

It's standard practice to not use outside of state control cities on US Highways, at least it is in Indiana.

Niles, MI, is used as a control city for US 31 as far south as the southern junction with US 20.

Fair point. I suspect it's because of the proximity of the city to the boarder.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #84 on: April 21, 2022, 01:31:25 PM »

I'm an Indy resident, so I may not know what I'm talking about here, but it seems like FT Wayne has a good highway system for the size it is. Doesn't seem like they have any traffic jams. Evansville i would put in the category of having a bad highway system and always getting the shaft.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #85 on: April 21, 2022, 02:22:33 PM »

I'm an Indy resident, so I may not know what I'm talking about here, but it seems like FT Wayne has a good highway system for the size it is. Doesn't seem like they have any traffic jams. Evansville i would put in the category of having a bad highway system and always getting the shaft.
Coliseum Boulevard (IN-930, formerly US-24/30) is still chronically congested around the Glenbrook Mall, even after the completed I-469 to reroute east-west truck traffic around Fort Wayne.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #86 on: April 21, 2022, 08:07:33 PM »

I'm an Indy resident, so I may not know what I'm talking about here, but it seems like FT Wayne has a good highway system for the size it is. Doesn't seem like they have any traffic jams. Evansville i would put in the category of having a bad highway system and always getting the shaft.
Coliseum Boulevard (IN-930, formerly US-24/30) is still chronically congested around the Glenbrook Mall, even after the completed I-469 to reroute east-west truck traffic around Fort Wayne.
But at least now those who want to bypass Fort Wayne can do so. When I graduated from college in the 80's, I drove US 30 across Indiana to shunpike from Chicago to Pennsylvania. It took me an hour to go through Ft Wayne on Coliseum Blvd as I hit it about 5 pm; I probably would have made better time going through downtown. I've never been to Fort Wayne since but I understood why I-469 was needed.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #87 on: April 21, 2022, 08:15:20 PM »

I'm an Indy resident, so I may not know what I'm talking about here, but it seems like FT Wayne has a good highway system for the size it is. Doesn't seem like they have any traffic jams. Evansville i would put in the category of having a bad highway system and always getting the shaft.
Coliseum Boulevard (IN-930, formerly US-24/30) is still chronically congested around the Glenbrook Mall, even after the completed I-469 to reroute east-west truck traffic around Fort Wayne.

That kind of thing happens when the biggest stores are all within a mile of each other. If you know the backroads to even a minor extent it's not difficult to avoid a good chunk of that traffic.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #88 on: April 21, 2022, 08:16:53 PM »

I don't see the point in making the interchange free flowing if trucks are going to be merging onto the highway at 20MPH. It would make more sense to just use a double left turn with good light timing so trucks can hit the merge point at a decent speed.
It's an entirely free flowing corridor between I-469 and I-475, the latter is a full cloverleaf interchange. I'll take the cloverleaf option for this one though I would've preferred the original flyover design.

In a perfect world, there would be a C/D lane configuration for the cloverleaf traffic entering/exiting I-469 (see I-94 @ I-69 in Marshall, MI). But this is manageable for now. About 20 years down the road, I would want a weave/merge lane between US-24 and US-30, and at that point they can implement the C/D lanes for the cloverleaf.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #89 on: April 21, 2022, 09:40:31 PM »

It's standard practice to not use outside of state control cities on US Highways, at least it is in Indiana.
Isn’t Chicago used on US 41 from Evansville on North? It certainly is on all the distance/mileage signs as the “bottom” line/where the Primary Control typically goes
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #90 on: April 21, 2022, 10:25:24 PM »

Isn’t Chicago used on US 41 from Evansville on North? It certainly is on all the distance/mileage signs as the “bottom” line/where the Primary Control typically goes

Chicago shows up on the bottom of some of the signs, but there seems to be a few with only two lines using Terre Haute for the second line.
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #91 on: April 22, 2022, 07:17:27 AM »

It's not a US highway but rather a state highway, but Chicago is used as a control city for IN 63 north from the southern split with 41, and at 36, 74 and 136.
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« Reply #92 on: April 26, 2022, 02:37:20 PM »

It's standard practice to not use outside of state control cities on US Highways, at least it is in Indiana.

Nowhere in the MUTCD it says to do this. Totally asinine. Fort Wayne is signed on US 30 WB in Ohio.

The weaving area on 469 southbound will be a mess from the day they get this completed.

INDOT= Incompetent

Fort Wayne- one of the largest cities in the US served by only 1 interstate highway, despite it being between Indy, Columbus, Detroit, and Chicago.

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« Reply #93 on: April 26, 2022, 03:25:42 PM »

It's standard practice to not use outside of state control cities on US Highways, at least it is in Indiana.

INDOT has Toledo signed at the US 24/SR 101 interchange  :-D
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #94 on: April 26, 2022, 10:50:51 PM »

It's standard practice to not use outside of state control cities on US Highways, at least it is in Indiana.

Nowhere in the MUTCD it says to do this. Totally asinine. Fort Wayne is signed on US 30 WB in Ohio.

The weaving area on 469 southbound will be a mess from the day they get this completed.

INDOT= Incompetent

Fort Wayne- one of the largest cities in the US served by only 1 interstate highway, despite it being between Indy, Columbus, Detroit, and Chicago.
Fort Wayne has I-69 and its child, I-469. I think that is 2

Served by the Fictional I-76/I-80 upgrade of US 30 across Ohio/Indiana/Illinois, between Mansfield, OH and (roughly) Morris, IL, in addition to the actual I-69

Could it happen someday? Sure. Will it? Pretty much any discussion of it has been had on the Fictional board, where it belongs, at least in the present realm of reality
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Re: I-469/US 24 Ramp Construction
« Reply #95 on: April 27, 2022, 10:01:51 AM »

It's standard practice to not use outside of state control cities on US Highways, at least it is in Indiana.

Nowhere in the MUTCD it says to do this. Totally asinine. Fort Wayne is signed on US 30 WB in Ohio.

The weaving area on 469 southbound will be a mess from the day they get this completed.

INDOT= Incompetent

Fort Wayne- one of the largest cities in the US served by only 1 interstate highway, despite it being between Indy, Columbus, Detroit, and Chicago.
Fort Wayne has I-69 and its child, I-469. I think that is 2

Served by the Fictional I-76/I-80 upgrade of US 30 across Ohio/Indiana/Illinois, between Mansfield, OH and (roughly) Morris, IL, in addition to the actual I-69

Could it happen someday? Sure. Will it? Pretty much any discussion of it has been had on the Fictional board, where it belongs, at least in the present realm of reality
I have 3 interstates for Ft Wayne in my fictional map, though I’ll leave the details in fictional.
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« Reply #96 on: Today at 05:26:08 PM »

I was only speaking of mainline routes when I stated that Fort Lame is served by only one interstate route. Routes that can take you to/from other cities. 69 is it for Fort Lame.
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