Quote from: froggie on October 06, 2009, 07:02:07 AM
Yes it's allowed. Consider, in part, that Defense was an integral part of the Interstate's creation.
are there any interstate highways that are restricted?
Permanently, no...unless you want to make the argument that I-185 does extend down into Fort Benning, in which case the gate is before you get to the first of the 2.5 interchanges.
I-564, which Mike mentioned, and which I'm intimately familiar with (having been stationed in Norfolk for 3.5 years) does not, since I-564 does not directly enter the base and regular traffic can continue along Taussig Blvd and make the turn onto Hampton Blvd (VA 337), or vice versa.
On a temporary basis, yes it's happened. For a period after Katrina hit, there were stretches of I-10 and I-59 in Mississippi that were restricted to military convoys and official relief/recovery vehicles only.
Quote from: AlpsROADS on October 05, 2009, 10:25:09 PM
I've clinched a few routes (especially in MD) just by U-turning at the gates. The only route I know of that extends into the establishment itself is NJ 68 and Fort Dix.
Sadly U turns are illegal in New York. Hopefully just going as far as US 11 will be enough to consider [the new I-781 to Fort Drum] clinched.
Quote from: deanej on October 06, 2009, 05:31:09 PM
U turns are illegal in New York.
how on earth are you supposed to check intersections and side streets for old signs???
For surface streets, pull into a driveway and turn back onto the road. K turns are also allowed if there's little traffic. For freeways you have to get off at the next exit.
Quote from: deanej on October 06, 2009, 05:37:55 PM
For surface streets, pull into a driveway and turn back onto the road. K turns are also allowed if there's little traffic. For freeways you have to get off at the next exit.
I think "no u-turns on the freeway" is universal everywhere in the US. But you can't make a u-turn at a green light from the left lane? What's the rationale behind that law?
Not sure; there are some divided highways that do allow them (these are signed). Probably has to due with NYC somehow; they control our government.
Interstate H-3 technically ends just short of the Marine Corps base gate. You can do a legal U-turn right in front of the gate. Or better still, a legal right turn into the parking area for the replica Iwo Jima memorial, then on exiting take a left turn in front of the gate onto westbound H-3.
But I've done the "I'm lost" gambit to clinch other highways, such as Hawaii state route 92, which has two west ends, one at the Pearl Harbor Navy Base main gate, the other a spur into Hickam Air Force Base main gate. Since it's so easy for confused tourists to miss the last exit before either base's gate, the guards were nice about turning me around.
I didn't feel like doing a U-turn in front of the Marine base - that I felt would look far too suspicious!
I managed to clinch I-29 by turning around at the "last possible US turnaround" point. I still had to go through US customs! :banghead: They interrogated me for an hour because they couldn't figure out why someone wanted to see the end of I-29 at 4 in the morning.
The U-turns in question were far from suspicious... I'm coming down a four-lane highway, there's the gate, and there's a wide patch of pavement in the median. If they didn't want U-turns, why have all the pavement to do it? Re: NY - how is a K turn different from a U turn as far as the law is concerned? Are they outlawing cars with good turning radii?
Quote from: froggie on October 06, 2009, 12:33:22 PM
Permanently, no...unless you want to make the argument that I-185 does extend down into Fort Benning, in which case the gate is before you get to the first of the 2.5 interchanges.
I've always thought that the south end of I-185 should be redirected to feed directly into US 27/280 (Victory Bd) and vice-versa with the Fort Benning main gate access becoming a trumpet spur off of that - especially since I-185 was blocked off completely at US 27/280 when I was poking around in that area back in June of 2004.
Mike
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 06, 2009, 06:07:47 PM
I didn't feel like doing a U-turn in front of the Marine base - that I felt would look far too suspicious!
I managed to clinch I-29 by turning around at the "last possible US turnaround" point. I still had to go through US customs! :banghead: They interrogated me for an hour because they couldn't figure out why someone wanted to see the end of I-29 at 4 in the morning.
Don't try clinching any interstates that end in an international border in NY then - we don't have those here, so you'd have to go through Canadian customs as well.
I really don't know why NY doesn't like U turns. They are the safest type of turnaround, after all.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 06, 2009, 06:07:47 PM
I didn't feel like doing a U-turn in front of the Marine base - that I felt would look far too suspicious!
I managed to clinch I-29 by turning around at the "last possible US turnaround" point. I still had to go through US customs! :banghead: They interrogated me for an hour because they couldn't figure out why someone wanted to see the end of I-29 at 4 in the morning.
Thankfully there are only five interstates ending on the Canadian border - I've gotten one (I-75) with some wondering by the customs agent (well before 9/11)
Anyone have trouble on the Mexican border?
I think there are some local VA and US highways that enter military bases, but I'm not sure. Namely VA-278 (Langley AFB) and US-258 (Ft. Monroe). On VA-278, there is an intersection you can turn around in RIGHT in front of the gate, but US-258 has a bridge leading to the gate, so I haven't ventured out there yet, as I don't particularly feel like an interrogation. :rolleyes:
Quote from: mgk920 on October 06, 2009, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: froggie on October 06, 2009, 12:33:22 PM
Permanently, no...unless you want to make the argument that I-185 does extend down into Fort Benning, in which case the gate is before you get to the first of the 2.5 interchanges.
I've always thought that the south end of I-185 should be redirected to feed directly into US 27/280 (Victory Bd) and vice-versa with the Fort Benning main gate access becoming a trumpet spur off of that - especially since I-185 was blocked off completely at US 27/280 when I was poking around in that area back in June of 2004.
While it's not necessarily "proof", there was an "End I-185" sign at the US27/280 overpass, outside the Fort Benning main gate in January 2006. I figure that's good enough to say that I clinched I-185 that day...twice.
Speaking of restricted interstates -- is I-66 still limited to HOV and Dulles-bound SOV's inside the beltway during commute hours?
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on October 06, 2009, 11:08:34 PM
Speaking of restricted interstates -- is I-66 still limited to HOV and Dulles-bound SOV's inside the beltway during commute hours?
how do they determine if you are going to Dulles?
Quote from: Master son on October 06, 2009, 10:14:59 PM
Thankfully there are only five interstates ending on the Canadian border - I've gotten one (I-75) with some wondering by the customs agent (well before 9/11)
Just curious, did you mean the 5 that end at the Canadian Border at a bridge (I-75, I-69, I-94, I-190 & I-81)? Otherwise, there are 12 Interstates that end at the Canadian Border altogether (the five previously listed plus I-5, I-15, I-29, I-87, I-89, I-91 & I-95).
oh sweet Jesus, don't talk to me about Derby Line (the I-91 terminus).
QuoteI think there are some local VA and US highways that enter military bases, but I'm not sure. Namely VA-278 (Langley AFB) and US-258 (Ft. Monroe). On VA-278, there is an intersection you can turn around in RIGHT in front of the gate, but US-258 has a bridge leading to the gate, so I haven't ventured out there yet, as I don't particularly feel like an interrogation.
Several US and VA highways come close or up to the edge of military bases, but none that I'm aware of actually enter a base, although histocially both US 60 and US 258 entered what is now "base territory" (Pendleton for 60 and Monroe for 258).
QuoteSpeaking of restricted interstates -- is I-66 still limited to HOV and Dulles-bound SOV's inside the beltway during commute hours?
Yes it is. I don't see that changing.
Quotehow do they determine if you are going to Dulles?
By whether you exit to or enter from VA 267.
Quoteoh sweet Jesus, don't talk to me about Derby Line (the I-91 terminus).
Why not? Only took me 5 minutes last time I went through...
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 06, 2009, 11:13:07 PM
Quote from: MikeTheActuary on October 06, 2009, 11:08:34 PM
Speaking of restricted interstates -- is I-66 still limited to HOV and Dulles-bound SOV's inside the beltway during commute hours?
how do they determine if you are going to Dulles?
They enforce the HOV restrictions at all the entrances/exits except the last one, for Dulles Airport itself. So if you're traveling I-66 alone out to Dulles airport during the afternoon rush, you should be safe so long as you go direcly to the airport via I-66 and the Dulles Airport access; but you could get nabbed if you take any exit before the airport.
Quote from: froggie on October 07, 2009, 05:57:40 AM
Quoteoh sweet Jesus, don't talk to me about Derby Line (the I-91 terminus).
Why not? Only took me 5 minutes last time I went through...
i remember THAT LJ post....Jake had a HELLUVA time that day....but i'll let him tell THAT tale (it is too strange for school, as Hadji would say)
here in Ohio, there arent any interstates that end ina military base...but there is an exit (15) off I-675 that allows you to exit at Col. Glenn Hwy before you run into the nice guards at Wright Field...and just up the road, Ohio 844 ends just before it crosses into Wright-Patt's main area (the route technically ends at the OH 444 exit, but the road itself continues on for another thousand feet or so to the gates...
When I did my first "Southern" roadtrip 10 years ago, I absentmindedly decided to follow MS 32 east from US 61 in Shelby over to US 49(W). I say absentmindedly for two reasons; first MS 32 doesn't really exist between US 61 & 49(W), second, I "stumbled" onto the "back" entrance to Parchman Farms, aka Mississippi State Prison.
Anyways, I came upon the gate to Parchman and I was going to turn around and go back to Shelby. The guard there stopped me (Why would some whiteboy, with out-of-state plates be making a U-turn in the middle-of-nowhere). I used my favorite excuse when stopped (school project, at that time Ohio St.), and the guard decided that I was harmless enough to let me drive through Parchman Farms. Just don't stop till you get to the front gate and don't speed.
So while MS 32 isn't technically a restricted highway, you can (if you play your cards right), drive through restricted space in Mississippi.
AL 255 ends at Redstone Arsenal Gate 9. There are a couple state highways that end at gates into Fort Rucker.
I believe DE 10 ends at the North Gate of Dover Air Force Base at the junction of US 113 aka Bay Rd and DE 10.
It appears FL 397 runs thru Eglin AFB (marked as Eglin Blvd on EAFB) via the North Gate in Valparaiso and the Main Gate near the FL 189/FL85 jct.
It also appears FL 189 ends at the Main Gate of Eglin AFB.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on October 06, 2009, 10:18:52 PM
I think there are some local VA and US highways that enter military bases, but I'm not sure. Namely VA-278 (Langley AFB) and US-258 (Ft. Monroe). On VA-278, there is an intersection you can turn around in RIGHT in front of the gate, but US-258 has a bridge leading to the gate, so I haven't ventured out there yet, as I don't particularly feel like an interrogation. :rolleyes:
I can't imagine what VA 143's northern end must be like. I've gone up there to try to take photos of its northern terminus, then changed my mind each time because I don't exactly want to invoke the wrath of the CIA. The advance end signage at VA 132 is enough for me. :p
QuoteI can't imagine what VA 143's northern end must be like. I've gone up there to try to take photos of its northern terminus, then changed my mind each time because I don't exactly want to invoke the wrath of the CIA. The advance end signage at VA 132 is enough for me.
What does the advance end signage say?
Something like "Dont even think about continueing past this point!" or
"Trespasser will be shot, survivers will be tortured and never seen again! :-D"
Quote from: allniter89 on October 08, 2009, 11:10:46 PM
QuoteI can't imagine what VA 143's northern end must be like. I've gone up there to try to take photos of its northern terminus, then changed my mind each time because I don't exactly want to invoke the wrath of the CIA. The advance end signage at VA 132 is enough for me.
What does the advance end signage say?
Something like "Dont even think about continueing past this point!" or
"Trespasser will be shot, survivers will be tortured and never seen again! :-D"
Well no, it just says "END VA 143 1/4 mile". ;)
Quote from: SyntheticDreamer on October 08, 2009, 11:26:47 PM
Quote from: allniter89 on October 08, 2009, 11:10:46 PM
QuoteI can't imagine what VA 143's northern end must be like. I've gone up there to try to take photos of its northern terminus, then changed my mind each time because I don't exactly want to invoke the wrath of the CIA. The advance end signage at VA 132 is enough for me.
What does the advance end signage say?
Something like "Dont even think about continueing past this point!" or
"Trespasser will be shot, survivers will be tortured and never seen again! :-D"
Well no, it just says "END VA 143 1/4 mile". ;)
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Mike
I cannot read the critical word before "traffic only" on the sawbuck guide sign.
Quote from: allniter89 on October 08, 2009, 10:56:55 PM
I believe DE 10 ends at the North Gate of Dover Air Force Base at the junction of US 113 aka Bay Rd and DE 10.
It appears FL 397 runs thru Eglin AFB (marked as Eglin Blvd on EAFB) via the North Gate in Valparaiso and the Main Gate near the FL 189/FL85 jct.
It also appears FL 189 ends at the Main Gate of Eglin AFB.
Florida 397 does not enter the Air Force property according to the FDOT GIS shape files. Nor does Florida 189. From what I've seen driving through there, FL 189 ends at the intersection with FL 397, where FL 397 also ends. Coming from the north Florida 397 ends ahead of the main gate. I have photos of all of this, but have not posted any of it yet...
(//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-189_397_end_map.jpg) (//www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-189_397_end_map.jpg)
Two other restricted highways worth noting are Georgia 119 and 144 through Fort Stewart. I have some photos of GA-119 southbound that I should post showing the array of signage that you don't see on most roadways, like Tactical Vehicle Speed Limit signs.
M-93 dumps right into Camp Grayling. There is a U-Turn lane right before the gate.
Quote from: agentsteel53 on October 09, 2009, 12:49:00 AM
I cannot read the critical word before "traffic only" on the sawbuck guide sign.
I believe that it says 'Base'.
Mike
I haven't been on it myself, but is the north end of the All American Freeway in Fayetteville, NC (at Fort Bragg) restricted at all? Is there a u-turn, or must one take the last exit before the base to turn around?
(And yes, I know the All American Freeway is a secondary route. :p)
Using a completely different interpretation of "restricted", on I-66 in VA between I-495 (capitol beltway) and Washington DC, ALL the lanes of traffic are restricted to HOV use only during commute hours. Non-HOV traffic has to use surface streets (US 29, US 50, or others). Since I-66 has only 2 lanes in each direction for most of this stretch, I'm sure it couldn't handle any additional SOV traffic.
Oops... I skimmed through that earlier post too quickly and didn't catch that you mentioned this already! :sleep:
See the following links for pictures:
https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/virginia050/i-066_eb_exit_066_01.jpg (https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/virginia050/i-066_eb_exit_066_01.jpg)
https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/virginia066/i-066_wb_exit_073_01.jpg (https://www.aaroads.com/mid-atlantic/virginia066/i-066_wb_exit_073_01.jpg)
That one was mentioned earlier in the thread. Technically, SOVs can use I-66 during restricted hours, but only if they're going to/from Dulles Airport.
Can you please host your images off-site from now on, please? Hosting them here cuts into server space.
Feel free to private message me if you're not sure how.
Though thanks for posting those pictures, as I've never made it up there to see for myself.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on October 12, 2009, 05:59:02 PM
Can you please host your images off-site from now on, please? Hosting them here cuts into server space.
I didn't even know you could post images here instead of linking to them off-site.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 12, 2009, 10:31:38 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on October 12, 2009, 05:59:02 PM
Can you please host your images off-site from now on, please? Hosting them here cuts into server space.
I didn't even know you could post images here instead of linking to them off-site.
When you go to reply, under additional options there is an attachment option. Use it sparingly. :-P
Now back on-topic.