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Title: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: edwaleni on July 26, 2021, 09:40:28 AM
Billboards have started popping up about SunPass "Pro". A toll device good across multiple state.

SunPass PRO is a portable transponder that works in Florida, Georgia and everywhere E-ZPass is accepted. SunPass PRO offers drivers the convenience of paying tolls automatically from Florida to Maine and west to Illinois, allowing nonstop travel with just one toll account.

SunPass PRO is a product of SunPass, Florida’s Prepaid Toll Program.


https://www.sunpass.com/en/about/pro.shtml (https://www.sunpass.com/en/about/pro.shtml)

Does anyone have this and is it worth it over just a regular SunPass, which I thought a single transponder was enough?
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: jdunlop on July 26, 2021, 09:46:23 AM
Billboards have started popping up about SunPass "Pro". A toll device good across multiple state.

SunPass PRO is a portable transponder that works in Florida, Georgia and everywhere E-ZPass is accepted. SunPass PRO offers drivers the convenience of paying tolls automatically from Florida to Maine and west to Illinois, allowing nonstop travel with just one toll account.

SunPass PRO is a product of SunPass, Florida’s Prepaid Toll Program.


https://www.sunpass.com/en/about/pro.shtml (https://www.sunpass.com/en/about/pro.shtml)

Does anyone have this and is it worth it over just a regular SunPass, which I thought a single transponder was enough?

If you don't drive outside of Florida, no reason to get the new pass.  However, if you do drive in other tolled states, then it's good to have only one transmitter.

I believe before this, the NC SmartPass was the only one that worked in all "eastern" states (Florida to Illinois.)  EZ-Pass didn't work in Florida and Georgia, and I think still doesn't work in Georgia.

Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: froggie on July 26, 2021, 09:54:04 AM
I guess Florida didn't get the memo that Minnesota's joining EZPass come 8/2...
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: 1995hoo on July 26, 2021, 10:05:30 AM
I guess Florida didn't get the memo that Minnesota's joining EZPass come 8/2...

The information they released was correct at the time (still is, actually, per the date noted in your post)....

Incidentally, in the discussion of this issue in the "Florida" thread, somebody mentioned that Georgia apparently also plans to become E-ZPass compatible by the end of this year.
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: froggie on July 26, 2021, 10:12:50 AM
I would argue that the planned expansion of the EZPass network would be a further selling point for SunPass Pro instead of just being ignored.
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: SP Cook on July 26, 2021, 10:37:31 AM
If my state did not have such a great deal for use of our in-state EZP, I would certainly go with the Florida one.  A single national pass , actually international including Canada, is what has always been needed. 

What toll roads are in Minnesota?  There is a toll bridge to Canada, but no roads.
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: 1995hoo on July 26, 2021, 10:57:11 AM
If my state did not have such a great deal for use of our in-state EZP, I would certainly go with the Florida one.  A single national pass , actually international including Canada, is what has always been needed. 

What toll roads are in Minnesota?  There is a toll bridge to Canada, but no roads.

HO/T lanes in the Minneapolis area. If you're referring to the bridge at International Falls, I don't believe that facility takes MnPass.
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: DeaconG on July 26, 2021, 02:00:47 PM
CFEA (Central Florida Expressway Authority) E-Pass has been E-Z Pass compatible for 3 years. FTE is just now catching up.
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 26, 2021, 04:58:08 PM
Going to put this here since its relevant. If you have a SunPass account, but not a SunPass Pro and use a "toll-by-plate" facility in an E-ZPass state, they will eventually bill your account if your license plate is linked to your account. A friend of mine drove across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and later took US-301 in Delaware expecting a bill, only to see the charges appear on his SunPass account somewhat unexpectedly. He was billed the full "toll-by-plate" rate in Delaware, but Maryland charged the non-MD E-ZPass rate.
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: edwaleni on July 26, 2021, 11:10:38 PM
Going to put this here since its relevant. If you have a SunPass account, but not a SunPass Pro and use a "toll-by-plate" facility in an E-ZPass state, they will eventually bill your account if your license plate is linked to your account. A friend of mine drove across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and later took US-301 in Delaware expecting a bill, only to see the charges appear on his SunPass account somewhat unexpectedly. He was billed the full "toll-by-plate" rate in Delaware, but Maryland charged the non-MD E-ZPass rate.

Exactly why I am asking the question about Pro vs regular. Would it make a difference if the SunPass transponder was up on the window?

If not "Pro" they would simply read your plate and bill the regular "plate rate".
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 27, 2021, 04:51:05 PM
If you are driving E-ZPass roads, you want the SunPass Pro as the equipment doesn't support the ISO 6B SeGo stickers at all. Relying on plate readers will not work with most closed ticket system toll roads or the remaining plazas that still have gates on them. You'll either be charged the full length of the roadway (for closed ticket roads) and/or the non-discounted "toll-by-plate" rates. Other facilities like the Virginia HOT lanes on 95/495 require a working tag or you'll get a hefty violation notice.
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: Rothman on July 27, 2021, 06:58:51 PM
If you are driving E-ZPass roads, you want the SunPass Pro as the equipment doesn't support the ISO 6B SeGo stickers at all. Relying on plate readers will not work with most closed ticket system toll roads or the remaining plazas that still have gates on them. You'll either be charged the full length of the roadway (for closed ticket roads) and/or the non-discounted "toll-by-plate" rates. Other facilities like the Virginia HOT lanes on 95/495 require a working tag or you'll get a hefty violation notice.
They say the Pro is accepted by E-ZPass, though.
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: ran4sh on July 27, 2021, 07:48:37 PM
Billboards have started popping up about SunPass "Pro". A toll device good across multiple state.

SunPass PRO is a portable transponder that works in Florida, Georgia and everywhere E-ZPass is accepted. SunPass PRO offers drivers the convenience of paying tolls automatically from Florida to Maine and west to Illinois, allowing nonstop travel with just one toll account.

SunPass PRO is a product of SunPass, Florida’s Prepaid Toll Program.


https://www.sunpass.com/en/about/pro.shtml (https://www.sunpass.com/en/about/pro.shtml)

Does anyone have this and is it worth it over just a regular SunPass, which I thought a single transponder was enough?
Going to put this here since its relevant. If you have a SunPass account, but not a SunPass Pro and use a "toll-by-plate" facility in an E-ZPass state, they will eventually bill your account if your license plate is linked to your account. A friend of mine drove across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and later took US-301 in Delaware expecting a bill, only to see the charges appear on his SunPass account somewhat unexpectedly. He was billed the full "toll-by-plate" rate in Delaware, but Maryland charged the non-MD E-ZPass rate.

Exactly why I am asking the question about Pro vs regular. Would it make a difference if the SunPass transponder was up on the window?

If not "Pro" they would simply read your plate and bill the regular "plate rate".

A regular SunPass cannot be read by E-ZPass equipment. That is why the SunPass Pro exists in the first place. For a SunPass user to use E-ZPass roads they are supposed to use a SunPass Pro.

Some (most?) E-ZPass roads do not have "regular plate rates", they were only designed to have tolls paid in cash or E-ZPass transponder and the license plate cameras are only used to catch violators.
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: edwaleni on July 28, 2021, 11:53:23 PM
Billboards have started popping up about SunPass "Pro". A toll device good across multiple state.

SunPass PRO is a portable transponder that works in Florida, Georgia and everywhere E-ZPass is accepted. SunPass PRO offers drivers the convenience of paying tolls automatically from Florida to Maine and west to Illinois, allowing nonstop travel with just one toll account.

SunPass PRO is a product of SunPass, Florida’s Prepaid Toll Program.


https://www.sunpass.com/en/about/pro.shtml (https://www.sunpass.com/en/about/pro.shtml)

Does anyone have this and is it worth it over just a regular SunPass, which I thought a single transponder was enough?
Going to put this here since its relevant. If you have a SunPass account, but not a SunPass Pro and use a "toll-by-plate" facility in an E-ZPass state, they will eventually bill your account if your license plate is linked to your account. A friend of mine drove across the Chesapeake Bay Bridge and later took US-301 in Delaware expecting a bill, only to see the charges appear on his SunPass account somewhat unexpectedly. He was billed the full "toll-by-plate" rate in Delaware, but Maryland charged the non-MD E-ZPass rate.

Exactly why I am asking the question about Pro vs regular. Would it make a difference if the SunPass transponder was up on the window?

If not "Pro" they would simply read your plate and bill the regular "plate rate".

A regular SunPass cannot be read by E-ZPass equipment. That is why the SunPass Pro exists in the first place. For a SunPass user to use E-ZPass roads they are supposed to use a SunPass Pro.

Some (most?) E-ZPass roads do not have "regular plate rates", they were only designed to have tolls paid in cash or E-ZPass transponder and the license plate cameras are only used to catch violators.

I was curious that if they have the ability to read your plate and confirm its identity, then they would have the ability to see if they subscribe to "any" eToll provider.

Technically they could provide a discounted plate rate to these "foreign" subscribers that is less than the straight non-sub rate but still more than a EZ-Pass rate.

I know how these systems can interchange data very easily and very cheaply without having to have everyone resell a bunch of multi-mode transponders.

But I get it, these are government entities we are talking about.
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: NJRoadfan on July 29, 2021, 09:21:45 PM
E-ZPass roads will not send a violation if you have the vehicle plate associated with your account. This is a fallback in case your tag doesn't read. It applies to other member agencies as well as CFX charged my E-ZPass account when my SunPass tag didn't read (my E-ZPass was wrapped in foil to prevent possible double charges). I know E-ZPass will send a note to the account holder if excessive no-tag transactions start occurring as its usually a sign that the battery in the tag is failing. Even though I'm an account holder, matching up a plate to an account still costs a bit more than just having a tag read.
Title: Re: SunPass "Pro"
Post by: edwaleni on July 30, 2021, 10:01:42 AM
E-ZPass roads will not send a violation if you have the vehicle plate associated with your account. This is a fallback in case your tag doesn't read. It applies to other member agencies as well as CFX charged my E-ZPass account when my SunPass tag didn't read (my E-ZPass was wrapped in foil to prevent possible double charges). I know E-ZPass will send a note to the account holder if excessive no-tag transactions start occurring as its usually a sign that the battery in the tag is failing. Even though I'm an account holder, matching up a plate to an account still costs a bit more than just having a tag read.

I imagine that we are heading closer and closer to a national toll tag system run by various private entities, some who will be (or not) carry franchises in the lower 48. 

With the question of road fuel taxation still in flux as there is a movement to EV's, there will be an increasing desire to collect revenue from non-fuel based transportation.

Fact #1 is that the ability to collect data on personal movements will be just too hard to resist.

State revenue collection, law enforcement, insurance companies will all have massive interests in seeing a national toll tag system in place.

If they decide to do this, then highway fuel taxes 'technically' could be abolished because you won't need both.