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Started by hotdogPi, January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM

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Big John

^^ Was the pictorial stop ahead sign adopted in 1971?
Quote from: TheStranger on January 14, 2021, 03:45:40 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 14, 2021, 03:01:49 PM
Washington and Oregon: centered exit tabs.

I'm not aware of other states that center their exit tabs. WA uses full-width internal exit tabs*, whereas Oregon uses actual tabs mounted above the sign, but both centrally-mount the legend and, in the case of Oregon, the actual tab itself.

* exception being SW WA, which does things weirdly and likes to use actual tabs mounted on the right edge of a sign as is normal elsewhere.

The 1971 Los Angeles exit numbering experiment had centered tabs as well:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3442.0 (thread I began on that topic in 2010)


Also in looking up Illinois's internal tabbed signs, some of them are centered:
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8025706,-87.6309606,3a,75y,15.94h,88.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sIhUdv3pvOOxjoNkaiMpTZw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DIhUdv3pvOOxjoNkaiMpTZw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D52.43767%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8233501,-87.6300093,3a,75y,2.38h,108.18t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sYDzUJKLfhWbGPMULkpDLjA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DYDzUJKLfhWbGPMULkpDLjA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D78.743866%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192




Was the pictorial stop ahead sign adopted in 1971?

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Here's two I have concerning Texas:

Texas and New Mexico: only states that use horizontal traffic signals consistently throughout the entire state (barring a few exceptions)
Texas and Oklahoma: only states that seem to sign clearance on every freakin bridge
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JayhawkCO

Here's a good one, and near and dear to my heart being born in Minnesota and living in Colorado:

Minnesota & Colorado - Have two or more non-neutral colors on the state route shield.

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Terry Shea

Quote from: jayhawkco on January 14, 2021, 09:57:32 AM
Quote from: froggie on January 14, 2021, 09:05:29 AM
QuoteCalifornia and Iowa: Have letter-number county routes

Disqualified, as some exist in Illinois as well.

New Mexico as well.

Chris
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NWI_Irish96

Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Florida and Indiana: A strict grid numbering system

New Jersey and Indiana: 1xx must be related to xx (and the same for all 3-digit routes)


Because Indiana mimics the US highway system in both of these ways, I was about 12 years old before I realized that not every state does the same thing.
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kphoger

Quote from: cabiness42 on January 14, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Because Indiana mimics the US highway system in both of these ways, I was about 12 years old before I realized that not every state does the same thing.

How long before you realized that a state doesn't have to have any pattern at all, and people still don't get lost or wonder what part of the state they're in?

I tell you, I wish all route numbers were just randomly assigned.  I hate clusters of similarly-numbered routes.
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Flint1979

Quote from: cabiness42 on January 14, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
Florida and Indiana: A strict grid numbering system

New Jersey and Indiana: 1xx must be related to xx (and the same for all 3-digit routes)


Because Indiana mimics the US highway system in both of these ways, I was about 12 years old before I realized that not every state does the same thing.
I don't know why but I realized that pretty quick about Indiana. I was traveling down I-69 one day and noticed that the state highways were going in order and after looking at a map of Indiana I thought this looks exactly like the US highway system on a state highway system.

kphoger

I don't even remember anymore:  where is I-366 supposed to have an 85-mph speed limit?  We can add that to Texas.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

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kphoger

ARGUMENT TIME

Which two states' panhandles actually deserve to be called panhandles?
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

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ozarkman417

Oklahoma, because you could argue that the state itself looks like a pan, though a disfigured one.

The other one was a bit more difficult to decide on. I eliminated NE and TX because I think they are too thick, while AK's is more so a series of islands. There remain a few, like Idaho and West Virginia, but, in my opinion, the one that looks the panhandleist of the remaining ones is Florida's.

cl94

Quote from: Scott5114 on January 14, 2021, 01:46:29 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 14, 2021, 08:05:34 AM
New York and New Hampshire: Regularly have alternate routes that go through the alphabet, such as NY 17K and NH 11D

Not true–this is a distinct feature of the Oklahoma route numbering system as well (reaching all the way up to SH-74F on the most-suffixed route, with one-offs for mnemonic reasons for 77H, 77S, and 412P).

Vermont has a handful as well.

If we want to count internal suffixes, throw CO and MD onto the list, because they get quite high.
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Ned Weasel

Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 12:35:23 PM
Quote from: SkyPesos on January 14, 2021, 12:22:52 PM
Also before I officially say that it's only in these 2 states...
Do any other states besides Indiana and Ohio posts these blue signs at exit and entrance ramps?

Kansas does this, but it might just be a Wichita thing.  Not sure about the rest of the state.
example
example
example
example

I was pretty sure I saw them somewhere that wasn't Wichita, Indiana, or Ohio: https://goo.gl/maps/6xgYeKg172krJEcK6

How about this one?  Michigan and New Jersey:  The only two states to popularize a unique style of left turn substitution.  Unless you count Texas Turnarounds or roundabouts.
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kphoger

Quote from: stridentweasel on January 14, 2021, 05:55:45 PM
How about this one?  Michigan and New Jersey:  The only two states to popularize a unique style of left turn substitution.  Unless you count Texas Turnarounds or roundabouts.

OK, what state are you saying has uniquely popularized the roundabout?
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
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Male pronouns, please.

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hotdogPi

Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 07:35:52 PM
Quote from: stridentweasel on January 14, 2021, 05:55:45 PM
How about this one?  Michigan and New Jersey:  The only two states to popularize a unique style of left turn substitution.  Unless you count Texas Turnarounds or roundabouts.

OK, what state are you saying has uniquely popularized the roundabout?

Outside the US. They're everywhere in Europe.
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Ned Weasel

Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 07:35:52 PM
OK, what state are you saying has uniquely popularized the roundabout?

I wasn't exactly saying that, although I would have guessed Massachusetts, but I also wouldn't have been entirely correct, as Wikipedia says the first modern roundabout in the U.S. was built in Nevada in 1990 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Development_of_modern_roundabouts).
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OCGuy81

Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?

tdindy88

Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?

Aren't they also the only states that sign their central business districts "DOWNTOWN" on their highway signs? Or does another state do that as well?

OCGuy81

Quote from: tdindy88 on January 14, 2021, 08:35:57 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?

Aren't they also the only states that sign their central business districts "DOWNTOWN" on their highway signs? Or does another state do that as well?

I recall seeing that along I-10 and I-45 in the Houston area

Revive 755

Quote from: CoreySamson on January 14, 2021, 03:52:09 PM
Here's two I have concerning Texas:

Texas and New Mexico: only states that use horizontal traffic signals consistently throughout the entire state (barring a few exceptions)

Nebraska at least used to mostly use horizontal signals except for the Omaha area and span wire installations.  The Lincoln area has since switched to vertical.

Elm

Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 14, 2021, 08:35:57 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?
Aren't they also the only states that sign their central business districts "DOWNTOWN" on their highway signs? Or does another state do that as well?
I recall seeing that along I-10 and I-45 in the Houston area

Colorado has some of those, too. On I-25, exit 142 is Bijou St/Downtown for Colorado Springs, and southbound exit 213 is 38th Ave/Park Ave/Downtown for Denver. Some express lane signs reference "Downtown"  further out, like here on US 36.

TheStranger

Quote from: Elm on January 14, 2021, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Quote from: tdindy88 on January 14, 2021, 08:35:57 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on January 14, 2021, 08:30:10 PM
Michigan and North Carolina: only two states with diamond shaped highway markers?
Aren't they also the only states that sign their central business districts "DOWNTOWN" on their highway signs? Or does another state do that as well?
I recall seeing that along I-10 and I-45 in the Houston area

Colorado has some of those, too. On I-25, exit 142 is Bijou St/Downtown for Colorado Springs, and southbound exit 213 is 38th Ave/Park Ave/Downtown for Denver. Some express lane signs reference "Downtown"  further out, like here on US 36.

Downtown signage off of 110/Harbor Freeway northbound past I-10 in Los Angeles:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0402227,-118.2735916,3a,75y,39.3h,97.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skAda1l92hX2u-ASVNj1dug!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
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dkblake

Quote from: stridentweasel on January 14, 2021, 08:18:19 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 14, 2021, 07:35:52 PM
OK, what state are you saying has uniquely popularized the roundabout?

I wasn't exactly saying that, although I would have guessed Massachusetts, but I also wouldn't have been entirely correct, as Wikipedia says the first modern roundabout in the U.S. was built in Nevada in 1990 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roundabout#Development_of_modern_roundabouts).

Is roundabout some strange non-Massachusetts term for rotary? :)
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ran4sh

New York and South Carolina: Exit number tab on freeway signs is right-aligned not to the right edge of the sign, but at the point where the border's corner transitions from straight to curve. Although new NY signs don't do this anymore.

NY example: https://goo.gl/maps/pM8qrmS5SdQ1jMzu5

SC example: https://goo.gl/maps/QgpG5B48YsQzn6Zf8

This looks better on the NY signs because the corner is actually rounded, compared to the SC signs.
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