I Wanted to make a page on the Unbuilt Highways of Ct, because i believe Ct has the Most unbuilt Freeways/Expressways in the Country
Like I-291, I-484, I-491, I-84/I-86 Mix up, CT 11 to New London
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1uLl-A0QkQS-4Ic-lcEXeRXZBp9ApHCLV&usp=sharing
Also add to that list:
I-284, Trout Brook Freeway, Flatbush Freeway
And that's just in the Greater Hartford area (and a lot more proposed on kurumi's site)
In SW Connecticut, you had US 7 South, US 7 North, CT 25, Sherwood Island Parkway, East Rock Freeway (southern CT 10), CT 34
Of all the unbuilt/unfinished roads, I-291 was unique in that a few pieces were built before the main highway was built, and ultimately cancelled. Its southern terminus at I-91 in Rocky Hill just north of Exit 23 existed for many years until the 90s when a 4th lane was added and the unused overpasses removed. To this day, the concrete pavement still exists where I-291 South would've met I-91 South. And then of course the Stack on I-84, which sat unused until CT 9 was open in 1992.
"Suicide Six" from Bolton to Columbia and CT 11 from Salem to Waterford/East Lyme have gotten the most attention in recent years as far as attempts to restart those projects. Both are off the table, I believe. Given traffic levels on CT 11, I say remove the whole thing. It will ultimately reduce traffic on CT 85, since there won't be an exit off Route 2 to sign as "New London" via CT 11... that would get moved down to I-395 South in Norwich.
US 7 North was partially built, but didn't quite reach where it was intended to in New Milford, instead acting as a bypass around Brookfield center. It gives the highway a more suitable end, vs ending with a one way ramp on an abandoned bridge or at a rock wall. The same can't be said of US 7 South in Norwalk.
Quote from: shadyjay on March 25, 2020, 09:47:11 PM
Also add to that list:
I-284, Trout Brook Freeway, Flatbush Freeway
And that's just in the Greater Hartford area (and a lot more proposed on kurumi's site)
In SW Connecticut, you had US 7 South, US 7 North, CT 25, Sherwood Island Parkway, East Rock Freeway (southern CT 10), CT 34
Of all the unbuilt/unfinished roads, I-291 was unique in that a few pieces were built before the main highway was built, and ultimately cancelled. Its southern terminus at I-91 in Rocky Hill just north of Exit 23 existed for many years until the 90s when a 4th lane was added and the unused overpasses removed. To this day, the concrete pavement still exists where I-291 South would've met I-91 South. And then of course the Stack on I-84, which sat unused until CT 9 was open in 1992.
"Suicide Six" from Bolton to Columbia and CT 11 from Salem to Waterford/East Lyme have gotten the most attention in recent years as far as attempts to restart those projects. Both are off the table, I believe. Given traffic levels on CT 11, I say remove the whole thing. It will ultimately reduce traffic on CT 85, since there won't be an exit off Route 2 to sign as "New London" via CT 11... that would get moved down to I-395 South in Norwich.
US 7 North was partially built, but didn't quite reach where it was intended to in New Milford, instead acting as a bypass around Brookfield center. It gives the highway a more suitable end, vs ending with a one way ramp on an abandoned bridge or at a rock wall. The same can't be said of US 7 South in Norwalk.
I usually go past Hartford once a year in July and I'm always wondering, why did the proposed so many highways in Hartford? There is stub ramps everywhere in the Hartford Metro, Governer Street, CT 3, I-384, I mean the Hartford Area would've looked like NYC but has like 5% the population of NYC
If CT 11 had not been half built in 1972, no one would have been talking about an 11 freeway at all in 2000. But it's dead now anyway.
There are a lot of other proposed routes that are more sparsely covered than the Hartford area:
* CT 2 in Norwich
* The Groton - Griswold Expressway (117/164)
* CT 73 in Watertown (I've found basically nothing on that except dotted lines on regional planning maps)
* CT 110 expressway into New York (and a controversy about a planned interchange with US 7 freeway)
* US 6 east of I-395 was reported built on a 4-lane or expressway ROW, with plans to expand... but all that ever happened was that super 2 interchange with frontage roads
A few more:
CT 8 north of Winsted up to the Mass Pike
CT 10 both north and south of I-84
CT 20 east of I-91 out to I-84 in the Vernon-Tolland area
The US 44 and CT 4 expressways west of Hartford
The CT 78 extension to I-95 (and even to I-395)
The numerous Long Island Sound crossings
I have some exit signs for CT 8 and CT 10 on my Flickr page.
Quote from: kurumi on March 26, 2020, 01:09:08 AM
If CT 11 had not been half built in 1972, no one would have been talking about an 11 freeway at all in 2000. But it's dead now anyway.
There are a lot of other proposed routes that are more sparsely covered than the Hartford area:
* CT 2 in Norwich
* The Groton - Griswold Expressway (117/164)
* CT 73 in Watertown (I've found basically nothing on that except dotted lines on regional planning maps)
* CT 110 expressway into New York (and a controversy about a planned interchange with US 7 freeway)
* US 6 east of I-395 was reported built on a 4-lane or expressway ROW, with plans to expand... but all that ever happened was that super 2 interchange with frontage roads
i've heard CTDOT wanted to upgrade CT 2? is that true?
Quote from: AcE_Wolf_287 on March 26, 2020, 11:56:22 AM
Quote from: kurumi on March 26, 2020, 01:09:08 AM
If CT 11 had not been half built in 1972, no one would have been talking about an 11 freeway at all in 2000. But it's dead now anyway.
There are a lot of other proposed routes that are more sparsely covered than the Hartford area:
* CT 2 in Norwich
* The Groton - Griswold Expressway (117/164)
* CT 73 in Watertown (I've found basically nothing on that except dotted lines on regional planning maps)
* CT 110 expressway into New York (and a controversy about a planned interchange with US 7 freeway)
* US 6 east of I-395 was reported built on a 4-lane or expressway ROW, with plans to expand... but all that ever happened was that super 2 interchange with frontage roads
i've heard CTDOT wanted to upgrade CT 2? is that true?
It's in the above list?
Quote from: shadyjay on March 25, 2020, 09:47:11 PM
Also add to that list:
I-284, Trout Brook Freeway, Flatbush Freeway
And that's just in the Greater Hartford area (and a lot more proposed on kurumi's site)
In SW Connecticut, you had US 7 South, US 7 North, CT 25, Sherwood Island Parkway, East Rock Freeway (southern CT 10), CT 34
Of all the unbuilt/unfinished roads, I-291 was unique in that a few pieces were built before the main highway was built, and ultimately cancelled. Its southern terminus at I-91 in Rocky Hill just north of Exit 23 existed for many years until the 90s when a 4th lane was added and the unused overpasses removed. To this day, the concrete pavement still exists where I-291 South would've met I-91 South. And then of course the Stack on I-84, which sat unused until CT 9 was open in 1992.
I just walked by I-291 in Farmington recently. Of course if this part was open, the original concrete would've been paved over 1000 times already.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49692193853_c84494d9f2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iH8tYZ)
Quote from: AcE_Wolf_287 on March 26, 2020, 12:42:14 AM
I usually go past Hartford once a year in July and I'm always wondering, why did the proposed so many highways in Hartford? There is stub ramps everywhere in the Hartford Metro, Governer Street, CT 3, I-384, I mean the Hartford Area would've looked like NYC but has like 5% the population of NYC
And today, well, pre-March 2020 (and hopefully again), we suffer from some of those expressways not being built. I-84 through Hartford wasn't meant to carry thru traffic from points west to points north. That's why it took so long to get the 84E->91N flyover built. Prior to 1990, that direct connection didn't exist. I-291 was supposed to serve that purpose. And the Trout Brook Freeway and Sisson Ave Freeway could've helped route traffic as well. I-484 if built would've taken that 84EB to 91 SB traffic and moved it just south of downtown.
I wished I-291 from Farmington to Windsor had been built, and same with I-86/I-491 from Glastonbury to Manchester, as those two routes would've really helped distribute traffic and given some more alternative routes around the city.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 26, 2020, 02:05:06 AM
A few more:
CT 8 north of Winsted up to the Mass Pike
CT 10 both north and south of I-84
CT 20 east of I-91 out to I-84 in the Vernon-Tolland area
The US 44 and CT 4 expressways west of Hartford
The CT 78 extension to I-95 (and even to I-395)
The numerous Long Island Sound crossings
I have some exit signs for CT 8 and CT 10 on my Flickr page.
CT-40, which I recall from earlier readings was envisiond as a loop around New Haven to connect I-91 and I-95.
CT-190 between I-91 and the Connecticut River was envisioned to be a major freeway across the northern part of the state.
-CT 83 freeway running from CT 2 in Glastonbury to I-84 in Vernon to the planned CT 20 freeway in Somers.
-Beltways have been proposed around New Haven and Norwich/New London.
-The Berlin Turnpike was planned to be completely grade separated.
-CT 66 freeway from I-691 to CT 9/17 in Middletown.
-CT 17 freeway from the split at CT 2 to New Haven.
-CT 9 freeway extension from the Berlin Turnpike to the stub ramps on I-84 at Flatbush and Sisson Aves., to the current CT 189 freeway stub in Bloomfield and possibly as far as MA 57, Southwick.
-Possible CT 82 freeway from CT 9 to CT 11 or CT 2.
More recently:
-Proposed realignment of I-84 south of Downtown Hartford, mostly via multiplexing with I-91 and CT 15.
-CT 71 or 175 freeway from I-291 (now CT 9) across Newington to the vic. of I-84, Flatbush Ave.
Extended CT 72 freeway to CT 8.
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on March 26, 2020, 08:13:20 PM
Of all the unbuilt/unfinished roads, I-291 was unique in that a few pieces were built before the main highway was built, and ultimately cancelled. Its southern terminus at I-91 in Rocky Hill just north of Exit 23 existed for many years until the 90s when a 4th lane was added and the unused overpasses removed. To this day, the concrete pavement still exists where I-291 South would've met I-91 South. And then of course the Stack on I-84, which sat unused until CT 9 was open in 1992.
I just walked by I-291 in Farmington recently. Of course if this part was open, the original concrete would've been paved over 1000 times already.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49692193853_c84494d9f2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iH8tYZ)
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So that vantage point is from the N, looking directly S at the late sixties Stack? Of a four lane I-291 mainline? Did not realize that much of a stub had been constructed northward from the Stack. Do remember it in the seventies/eighties, before much of the concrete pavement on I-84 in the general area had been paved over. Also remember Dad, driving, always referring to it as a "political blunder" at that time. His viewpoint was similar to many others at the time, they simply believed that transit was the answer to all transportation issues. And expensive heavy rail also, instead of envisioning flexible buses that could have used the new roads. There were many other potentially useful projects at that time, in New England that simply ran into opposition that could not be overcome, because they waited to long to begin, or were simply too expensive for the time.
Quote from: shadyjay on March 26, 2020, 09:34:44 PM
Quote from: AcE_Wolf_287 on March 26, 2020, 12:42:14 AM
I usually go past Hartford once a year in July and I'm always wondering, why did the proposed so many highways in Hartford? There is stub ramps everywhere in the Hartford Metro, Governer Street, CT 3, I-384, I mean the Hartford Area would've looked like NYC but has like 5% the population of NYC
And today, well, pre-March 2020 (and hopefully again), we suffer from some of those expressways not being built. I-84 through Hartford wasn't meant to carry thru traffic from points west to points north. That's why it took so long to get the 84E->91N flyover built. Prior to 1990, that direct connection didn't exist. I-291 was supposed to serve that purpose. And the Trout Brook Freeway and Sisson Ave Freeway could've helped route traffic as well. I-484 if built would've taken that 84EB to 91 SB traffic and moved it just south of downtown.
The flyover was blocked by G. Fox., which made that at-grade connection totally miserable as traffic backed up onto I-84 frequently. It was a great day when the flyover opened.
The above pic looks to be from South Road, looking north towards "The Stack" in Farmington.
I grew up in Plainville, so the Route 72 blunder was the most noticeable item for me. As a kid, we lived a few blocks away from 72. They all ready had the bridges up over Routes 10, and 372. At the time they revised some local streets, and also built the bridge over the rail yard. I still remember the sounds of all the equipment working, and the pile drivers. Now 40 years later, they finally finished the half assed extension into Bristol. It has at grade intersections, but at least all traffic is not dumped off at the Plainville town line.
It makes me wonder if the extension to Thomaston would be all that necessary today. The need to travel to Waterbury is reduced, since the industry and jobs there are gone. West bound traffic can easily enough go down Middle Street, Route 69 through Wolcott, or even through Terryville.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on March 27, 2020, 07:47:14 PM
The above pic looks to be from South Road, looking north towards "The Stack" in Farmington.
If one were looking N, wouldn't one be on the now opened section of state route 9?
Quote from: DJStephens on May 24, 2020, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on March 27, 2020, 07:47:14 PM
The above pic looks to be from South Road, looking north towards "The Stack" in Farmington.
If one were looking N, wouldn't one be on the now opened section of state route 9?
What we're looking at, north from south Road, is the unopened mainline of I-291. CT 9 doesn't use any of the unbuilt mainline of the Stack... only the ramps to/from the south. If you look at Google Maps satellite image, you can see unopened I-291 passes beneath the South Road overpass. However, the CT 9 North to I-84 connection passes over South Road. It would be out of view to the extreme right of the photo linked above.
It would've been a short distance south of the South Road "crossing" where the ramps to I-84 would have left the I-291 mainline.
This Google image street view is taken from the CT 9 North to I-84 roadway, looking west. The low road is South Road and the overpass is crossing unopened I-291, and the I-84 to CT 9 South connection at the far west end. A light pole is slightly visible on what is now CT 9 South.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7232146,-72.770776,3a,75y,296.36h,69.55t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sZ24FIIDZ11PNRmhavUkqqA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DZ24FIIDZ11PNRmhavUkqqA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D119.17891%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192
Okay, thanks got it. South Road is a local street, that is partially "contained" by the built, but not used stack interchange of 84 and 291. Well until '92. The long approach ramps in this type of directional interchange mean that the ramps leave the main lines a good distance from the core itself. Never stomped around in the woods in and around that stack, it must have been a magnet for kids and teenagers. Was not from that area, but east/central Mass, about fifty to a hundred miles to the NE. Thanks for the clarifications.
You get onto South Road from CT Route 71, which is right by WestFarms Mall on the West Hartford/Farmington town line (hence the mall's name). Once past the mall access, you'll eventually drive over the very end of CT Route 9, near the split below for I-84/US 6. You'd still be south of "the stack".
Some context is needed here: in the 60s, Connecticut was planning for 5 million residents by 2000 as New York City's growth spilled out further and further afield. They didn't anticipate that instead of moving to Connecticut, New Yorkers would choose to move to Florida, so growth stalled after 1970. That made these highways superfluous.
Quote from: kernals12 on August 29, 2020, 07:40:51 PM
Some context is needed here: in the 60s, Connecticut was planning for 5 million residents by 2000 as New York City's growth spilled out further and further afield. They didn't anticipate that instead of moving to Connecticut, New Yorkers would choose to move to Florida, so growth stalled after 1970. That made these highways superfluous.
The proliferation of air conditioning starting in the '50s and '60s made the Sun Belt a lot more attractive to northerners, and so the mass migration to the South and Southwest began, and it continues unabated today. Decades of progressive policies and exorbitant taxes decimated the local economy and accelerated the mass exodus from the Northeast from the late '80s onward.
Quote from: DJStephens on May 25, 2020, 04:21:50 PM
Okay, thanks got it. South Road is a local street, that is partially "contained" by the built, but not used stack interchange of 84 and 291. Well until '92. The long approach ramps in this type of directional interchange mean that the ramps leave the main lines a good distance from the core itself. Never stomped around in the woods in and around that stack, it must have been a magnet for kids and teenagers. Was not from that area, but east/central Mass, about fifty to a hundred miles to the NE. Thanks for the clarifications.
Not a huge magnet since it's kinda far out there and relatively visible, but I wasn't the first to explore.
You missed a few. After carefully looking through nycroads.com, I made this map
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1dvItEz5Q_8-guwSiwv2G_HW1baAT7_bp&usp=sharing
I would've loved that Route 32 expressway when I was going to and from UCONN on the weekends, those 2 lane roads are scary and I once got a flat tire hitting a torn up curb. And if they had built 84 to Providence, I could've skipped tolls on the Pike!
I'd also like to understand the logic of having so many north south routes. They wanted 7, 10, and 8 to be freeways all the way from the Sound to the Massachusetts border.
Quote from: kurumi on March 26, 2020, 01:09:08 AM
* CT 73 in Watertown (I've found basically nothing on that except dotted lines on regional planning maps)
That's fascinating - such a sparse and static town. Where would it have been and what purpose did it serve?
That CT 10 line...I know it was supposed to duplex with I-84 between Exits 29-33 (future 41-49A), but the line you drew would pass within half a block of my house and right through a church complex. It would pretty much destroy the linear trail I walk on every day :bigass:
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 03, 2020, 05:27:50 AM
That CT 10 line...I know it was supposed to duplex with I-84 between Exits 29-33 (future 41-49A), but the line you drew would pass within half a block of my house and right through a church complex. It would pretty much destroy the linear trail I walk on every day :bigass:
He said "carefully," what else do you want?
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 03, 2020, 05:27:50 AM
That CT 10 line...I know it was supposed to duplex with I-84 between Exits 29-33 (future 41-49A), but the line you drew would pass within half a block of my house and right through a church complex. It would pretty much destroy the linear trail I walk on every day :bigass:
Sorry about that, I fixed it. Your house is safe :sombrero:
Would it have been possible for 291 to traverse the Hartford Reservoirs without poisoning the water?
Quote from: kernals12 on September 03, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
Would it have been possible for 291 to traverse the Hartford Reservoirs without poisoning the water?
They managed to build I-190 north of Worcester MA close to the Wachusett Reservoir, with those super-wide breakdown lanes in places that are allegedly there to help direct runoff better so it does not affect the reservoir.
I would imagine that if you gave 291 similar wide berths from the reservoirs, the same could be possible.
Quote from: SectorZ on September 03, 2020, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on September 03, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
Would it have been possible for 291 to traverse the Hartford Reservoirs without poisoning the water?
They managed to build I-190 north of Worcester MA close to the Wachusett Reservoir, with those super-wide breakdown lanes in places that are allegedly there to help direct runoff better so it does not affect the reservoir.
I would imagine that if you gave 291 similar wide berths from the reservoirs, the same could be possible.
So why didn't they just do that (same goes for the extension of I-84 to Providence)?
Wealth and Lawyers. Connecticut is the richest state, per capita, in the country. Even back then, late sixties, the average individual in Conn. had more at their disposal than an average individual elsewhere. Inherited wealth, legal connections, etc. The 291 beltway was to pass through some of Hartford's toniest suburbs.
They did build a lot in the mid to late sixties. Assume if they had started, even just a few years earlier, Conn. would have gotten just about everything they had programmed done. They might have then, had the problem southern Calif had, perhaps the funding would have run dry.
Check out this 1964 publication by the Regional Planning Association showing highways in planning at the time throughout the tri-state area, many of which were never built
https://rpa.org/uploads/pdfs/73-74_RegionalPlanNews.pdf
Quote from: kernals12 on September 03, 2020, 12:39:35 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on September 03, 2020, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on September 03, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
Would it have been possible for 291 to traverse the Hartford Reservoirs without poisoning the water?
They managed to build I-190 north of Worcester MA close to the Wachusett Reservoir, with those super-wide breakdown lanes in places that are allegedly there to help direct runoff better so it does not affect the reservoir.
I would imagine that if you gave 291 similar wide berths from the reservoirs, the same could be possible.
So why didn't they just do that (same goes for the extension of I-84 to Providence)?
Would guess just not enough political will. A resident of a bucolic suburb in eastern Conn. will likely not lobby their congressman for a better road to Hartford, or Providence. That same congressman will not bring the issue up, for fear of angering wealthy constituents. There may never have been that much demand for such a road in terms of hypothetical trips. Although agree the Suicide Six portion should have been bypassed, meaning connecting the I-384 section (Bolton Notch) and the Willimantic Bypass.
Quote from: kernals12 on September 09, 2020, 09:10:30 PM
Check out this 1964 publication by the Regional Planning Association showing highways in planning at the time throughout the tri-state area, many of which were never built
https://rpa.org/uploads/pdfs/73-74_RegionalPlanNews.pdf
I found some others of interest:
1929 plan: https://rpa.org/uploads/pdfs/RPA-Plan1-v1-Regional-Plan-of-New-York-and-Its-Environs.pdf
1941 bulletin, including a NYC beltway and some proposed radial routes; nice maps: https://rpa.org/uploads/pdfs/1941_RPABulletin57.pdf
1941: parks and parkway progress (including some proposed but never built): https://rpa.org/uploads/pdfs/1941_RPABulletin56.pdf
1975, CT (7, 8, 25, 34): https://rpa.org/uploads/pdfs/96_RegionalPlanNews.pdf. And look at this -- 4-level stack at 8/15:
(https://i.imgur.com/omIMWQX.png)
Interesting the 1974 publication urged the completion of Route 25, and extension of 34, but turned its thumb down on US 7. Just a few short years before the beginning of the run up of real estate valuations.
I still remember in 1981 on the Merritt the bridge for old CT-8 still standing with no road on either side of it. My 9-year-old roadgeek brain thought that was weird.
What was CT 34 supposed to be? It has a large interchange with 84.
Quote from: CapeCodder on September 11, 2020, 07:25:23 AM
What was CT 34 supposed to be? It has a large interchange with 84.
In their most ambitious plans, it was going to Ridgefield and then continue as NY 35 to Peekskill.
Anyone have the 1970 CONNDOT Joint Transportation Study?
Quote from: CapeCodder on September 11, 2020, 07:25:23 AM
What was CT 34 supposed to be? It has a large interchange with 84.
The CT 34 interchange (I-84 exit 11) was planned as the northern terminus of CT 25. (CT 34 happens to be the closest major road to the stub interchange right now.)
Quote from: kurumi on September 11, 2020, 12:52:17 PM
Quote from: CapeCodder on September 11, 2020, 07:25:23 AM
What was CT 34 supposed to be? It has a large interchange with 84.
The CT 34 interchange (I-84 exit 11) was planned as the northern terminus of CT 25. (CT 34 happens to be the closest major road to the stub interchange right now.)
Do you have any information on where the unbuilt Watertown highway would've been? I didn't see anything in the pamphlet scan.
I think what makes Connecticut unique is the large number of partially completed freeways as opposed to completely unbuilt ones.
Quote from: kernals12 on September 24, 2020, 07:18:28 PM
I think what makes Connecticut unique is the large number of partially completed freeways as opposed to completely unbuilt ones.
yea i do believe CT has the most abandoned or unbuilt freeways in the US
Quote from: AcE_Wolf_287 on September 24, 2020, 08:23:04 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on September 24, 2020, 07:18:28 PM
I think what makes Connecticut unique is the large number of partially completed freeways as opposed to completely unbuilt ones.
yea i do believe CT has the most abandoned or unbuilt freeways in the US
DC has more per square mile but probably less total.
Quote from: Alps on September 25, 2020, 12:28:19 AM
Quote from: AcE_Wolf_287 on September 24, 2020, 08:23:04 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on September 24, 2020, 07:18:28 PM
I think what makes Connecticut unique is the large number of partially completed freeways as opposed to completely unbuilt ones.
yea i do believe CT has the most abandoned or unbuilt freeways in the US
DC has more per square mile but probably less total.
Quote from: AcE_Wolf_287 on September 24, 2020, 08:23:04 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on September 24, 2020, 07:18:28 PM
I think what makes Connecticut unique is the large number of partially completed freeways as opposed to completely unbuilt ones.
yea i do believe CT has the most abandoned or unbuilt freeways in the US
It's either us or NJ.