Good things can't always last forever, and that holds true for stores and restaurants. Each of us has local restaurants and stores that we miss dearly, as they are no longer in this world.
A favorite of many people on the forum (myself included) was The Flying Chicken in Troy, NY. Best fried chicken I have ever had. Sadly, they closed their doors in July of last year and I no longer have the chickeny goodness near my home.
Does anybody else miss a store or restaurant that has closed? Any memories to share? Any love for The Flying Chicken (RIP)?
I too miss the Flying Chicken. They made some deeeeeeeelicious maple sausage gravy.
I also miss the Empire Sub Shop in Liverpool, NY, as they made the same style cheeseburg subs as Oswego Sub Shop does.
Mary Maestri's, Tontitown, AR
Happy Family, Springfield, MO
The Homestead, Blue Island, IL
The Halligan Bar & Grill in Short Pump, VA (where the last Richmond road meet was held). All three locations closed within the last year. Shame.
Glass Dome Hickory Pit and Barnum & Bagel in the Chicago area.
In the DC area, the Orleans House and Ristorante A/V.
Cedar Village in Irvine, Ky. (although the former owner has a similar restaurant called Michael's in next-door Ravenna, and I understand the food is similar.)
The Purple Cow in my hometown of Beattyville, Ky.
Family Diner in Jackson, Ky.
As for stores, I miss a chain that was based out of somewhere in southern Ohio called The Sundry Store. They didn't sell clothing or fresh food, but they carried many other things, including health and beauty items, and more importantly to me, albums and CDs. I bought many a new music release at various locations of that chain.
Also, Maloney's, which was something of a poor man's Walmart back before Walmart was everywhere.
Bradlees. Although that may just be nostalgia talking as I was 10 when the local one closed.
There was also a local record store called Turnstyle that specialized in electronic music from Europe that I enjoyed very much, but it closed when the owners had a baby.
If we're going to talk record stores, there are three I miss very much -- or would miss if I bought much music these days.
Cut Corner and Spy in Lexington, and Recordsmith in Richmond. I could own a small country if I had the money I spent over the years at those three places.
The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 09, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
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Quote from: abefroman329 on May 09, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
Nah. People are already using Spotify, YouTube and the like to not pay for it. There will not be a rush back to physical copies.
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The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
Nah. People are already using Spotify, YouTube and the like to not pay for it. There will not be a rush back to physical copies.
I was going to say, I pay $5/month for Spotify Premium instead of buying music. I can listen to pretty much anything and save music to my phone so I can listen without data, including new releases. Worth it.
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The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
Nah. People are already using Spotify, YouTube and the like to not pay for it. There will not be a rush back to physical copies.
I was going to say, I pay $5/month for Spotify Premium instead of buying music. I can listen to pretty much anything and save music to my phone so I can listen without data, including new releases. Worth it.
I don't have an unlimited data plan and I spend several hours a day listening to music where there isn't WiFi to connect to. Plus there ARE still places in this country without a reliable mobile data connection. And then there are airplanes, where you usually can't stream music over the available WiFi connection, which means you can't stream music at all from the time the airplane door closes to the time you land at your destination.
Streaming music isn't a catchall solution, though if Apple is going to stop selling music, it must be because it's enough of a catchall solution for most users of Apple products.
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The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
AFAIK there's no way to get music ripped from a CD onto an iPhone. Maybe after jailbreaking the phone, but then that would mean I couldn't use it for work purposes.
Who says I stream all day? I download stuff when I have an internet connection to listen when I'm away from one. I only stream away from home if I'm near the end of the data cycle and have a ton left.
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The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
AFAIK there's no way to get music ripped from a CD onto an iPhone. Maybe after jailbreaking the phone, but then that would mean I couldn't use it for work purposes.
I'm not allowed to jailbreak my work phone, either...but this works entirely with Apple's software.
1. Download iTunes to your PC.
2. Setup account the same as your iPhone.
3. Drag and drop songs to iTunes, or let it search for music.
4. Plug in USB to PC, and unlock phone to permit read/write.
5. Sync iPhone (as you would with an iPod).
6. Listen to your tunes in the Music app.
* I have an iPod and an iPhone, so I created a separate Windows user login just for my phone, because 80GB of music won't fit on my phone. I put my favorites in a separate iTunes library which just recalls the same music on my hard drive.
You can thank Jakeroot for this info.
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The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
I still buy physical copies whenever possible, but yeah, I’ll just go to other stores to buy digital-only copies. I refuse to stream other than looking an artist up on YouTube from time to time.
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The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
AFAIK there's no way to get music ripped from a CD onto an iPhone. Maybe after jailbreaking the phone, but then that would mean I couldn't use it for work purposes.
I rip mine through iTunes and it works fine.
I do use YouTube to stream music, though if I like something and it's available, I'll buy it on Amazon MP3. I still buy CDs for the Trans-Siberian Orchestra, because the stories for the albums are in the booklet.
Whatever the name it was, a sub sandwich joint at the corner of 87th and State Rd in Burbank. It's now a pretty decent mexican joint, but I miss their sub sandwiches and chocolate shakes :love: :love: :-( :-( :-(
As others have noted, you can use iTunes to put ripped music onto an iPhone, and you can also tell iTunes which music you want to transfer and which you don't (I have something like 85 GB of Springsteen on my iPhone and just about no other music, for example, but I have tons of other ripped music).
Streaming doesn't appeal much to me because it gives somebody else control over my access to the music. That is, I don't listen to Taylor Swift, but I recall she and her management got into some kind of dispute with Spotify that led to none of her music being available on said service for some amount of time. If I were a fan of hers and I relied on Spotify, I would have been extremely upset. With that said, I do recognize how streaming can sometimes be a nice way to find new music that might appeal to you if the software uses some sort of predictive algorithm–I've periodically listened to Pandora's free service, for instance, and I have found some decent stuff that way (I then purchased copies of what I wanted).
I don't buy a lot of music from iTunes anyway. I tend to opt for HDTracks.com instead. I prefer the high-rez .FLAC downloads that I can then copy and convert to whatever format I need for a particular device (native .FLAC to burn to disc for the car; Apple Lossless for my iPod or iPhone; .WAV if I want to burn a CD for our 2003 Acura; etc.).
Regarding the original topic, there used to be a wonderful hardware store in Springfield, Virginia, named Fischer's. It was well-known locally as the store where you could find anything. I liked that you didn't have to buy a huge quantity of nails or screws or whatever–they'd sell you individual screws if you only needed three or four for a job, for instance. The store joined the ACE Hardware chain some years ago, almost immediately ran into financial difficulties that were exacerbated when the chain mandated changes in how they managed inventory, and closed. It's now an Aldi. Damn shame that place closed.
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The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
I still buy physical copies whenever possible, but yeah, I'll just go to other stores to buy digital-only copies. I refuse to stream other than looking an artist up on YouTube from time to time.
Why?
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Quote from: abefroman329 on May 09, 2018, 12:03:02 PM
The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
I still buy physical copies whenever possible, but yeah, I'll just go to other stores to buy digital-only copies. I refuse to stream other than looking an artist up on YouTube from time to time.
Why?
With a CD, you actually own the music. This isn't the case with digital copies.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 09, 2018, 04:11:46 PM
Regarding the original topic, there used to be a wonderful hardware store in Springfield, Virginia, named Fischer's. It was well-known locally as the store where you could find anything. I liked that you didn't have to buy a huge quantity of nails or screws or whatever–they'd sell you individual screws if you only needed three or four for a job, for instance. The store joined the ACE Hardware chain some years ago, almost immediately ran into financial difficulties that were exacerbated when the chain mandated changes in how they managed inventory, and closed. It's now an Aldi. Damn shame that place closed.
I can appreciate this, since we just bought a house and I've spent a lot of time mounting things to studs and walls (a television, a floating entertainment center, and a medicine cabinet), and the local hardware store will sell you individual screws, whereas Home Depot will only sell you 4. They also sell things like paint and spackle in smaller quantities than HD, which is good if you only need a little bit of one or the other (HD seems to have taken a page out of Walmart's playbook and gives you the choice of "buy the economy-sized version or go to hell."). They were also able to rekey the lock cylinder to a storm door, and key it to the same key as the doorknob and the deadbolt, meaning 3 locks can be unlocked with the same key. The downsides are a) things are definitely more expensive there than at HD or Lowe's and b) the employees tend to move at their own pace (getting some keys made took an exceptionally long time).
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The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
I still buy physical copies whenever possible, but yeah, I'll just go to other stores to buy digital-only copies. I refuse to stream other than looking an artist up on YouTube from time to time.
Why?
With a CD, you actually own the music. This isn't the case with digital copies.
Pretty much this.
Rudy's Drive In
Council Bluffs Iowa
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The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
I still buy physical copies whenever possible, but yeah, I'll just go to other stores to buy digital-only copies. I refuse to stream other than looking an artist up on YouTube from time to time.
Why?
With a CD, you actually own the music. This isn't the case with digital copies.
Pretty much this.
Why the need to own it?
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The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
I still buy physical copies whenever possible, but yeah, I'll just go to other stores to buy digital-only copies. I refuse to stream other than looking an artist up on YouTube from time to time.
Why?
With a CD, you actually own the music. This isn't the case with digital copies.
Pretty much this.
Why the need to own it?
Why do I need a reason?
Quote from: Takumi on May 08, 2018, 10:12:25 PM
The Halligan Bar & Grill in Short Pump, VA (where the last Richmond road meet was held). All three locations closed within the last year. Shame.
Halligan had a nice little theme to it, with the fire trucks.
Why do you need to own it?
Flexibility and backups.
Typically, my routine when buying a CD is to burn a copy of it and play the copy, and keep the original somewhere safe.* Then I will rip it in iTunes and copy to my iPod. And if I want to burn a copy to give to my brother, or upload the MP3s to a Usenet binaries group (not that I would ever do one of those things, wink wink) I can.
As I've said before, I don't listen to music on my phone (primarily because I have an iPhone and it's not expandable beyond the factory memory; by contrast, I have an old work Android phone that's mine to do with as I wish after I was switched to an iPhone with another carrier, so I bought a 256 GB card for it and plan to use it for my music player once I can get all the songs copied over to the card.) And with data limits and spotty cell service, streaming isn't ideal for me anyway. Plus, not every artist is available on every streaming service. Can you get Metallica on Spotify, for example? Once upon a time, you couldn't.
*"Somewhere safe" for me is an oxymoron. I tend to misplace things.
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The only place I buy music nowadays is from iTunes, and Apple has announced they're going to stop selling music in the next year or two (after that you'll have to use iTunes Radio or another streaming service such as Pandora or Spotify).
That will have the unintended consequence of pushing people back to buying physical copies of music. I'm not going to pay for it unless I own the media and can play it when and where I want to.
I still buy physical copies whenever possible, but yeah, I'll just go to other stores to buy digital-only copies. I refuse to stream other than looking an artist up on YouTube from time to time.
Why?
With a CD, you actually own the music. This isn't the case with digital copies.
Pretty much this.
Why the need to own it?
Why do I need a reason?
Because without one, it is lunacy.
Here's another good reason why you might prefer to actually own a physical copy of your music instead of depending on someone to deliver it to you. If the music offends some provider's sensibilities, they might remove it from their service.
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/387077-spotify-removes-r-kelly-from-playlists-due-to-hateful-conduct-policy
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Here's another good reason why you might prefer to actually own a physical copy of your music instead of depending on someone to deliver it to you. If the music offends some provider's sensibilities, they might remove it from their service.
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/387077-spotify-removes-r-kelly-from-playlists-due-to-hateful-conduct-policy
Spotify is a streaming service. Users do not purchase songs for download. Content disappears and reappears from streaming services all the time, for reasons too numerous to mention. This is not analogous to purchasing songs for download from iTunes or Amazon, or another, similar service.
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Quote from: hbelkins on May 10, 2018, 12:43:45 PM
Here's another good reason why you might prefer to actually own a physical copy of your music instead of depending on someone to deliver it to you. If the music offends some provider's sensibilities, they might remove it from their service.
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/387077-spotify-removes-r-kelly-from-playlists-due-to-hateful-conduct-policy
Spotify is a streaming service. Users do not purchase songs for download. Content disappears and reappears from streaming services all the time, for reasons too numerous to mention. This is not analogous to purchasing songs for download from iTunes or Amazon, or another, similar service.
If you look back at the thread, you'll see that what you're saying is exactly why there's some disagreement. Rothman apparently believes, or is arguing just for the sake of it, that there's no need to purchase music because you can stream it. Your comment underscores exactly why several of us have said we prefer to own our music and do not view streaming as a primary option, although as I noted streaming can potentially serve a purpose similar to what radio used to do (before all the stations standardized their playlists on the same few songs) in terms of discovering new music you can then go buy.
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Quote from: hbelkins on May 10, 2018, 12:43:45 PM
Here's another good reason why you might prefer to actually own a physical copy of your music instead of depending on someone to deliver it to you. If the music offends some provider's sensibilities, they might remove it from their service.
http://thehill.com/policy/technology/387077-spotify-removes-r-kelly-from-playlists-due-to-hateful-conduct-policy
Spotify is a streaming service. Users do not purchase songs for download. Content disappears and reappears from streaming services all the time, for reasons too numerous to mention. This is not analogous to purchasing songs for download from iTunes or Amazon, or another, similar service.
If you look back at the thread, you'll see that what you're saying is exactly why there's some disagreement. Rothman apparently believes, or is arguing just for the sake of it, that there's no need to purchase music because you can stream it. Your comment underscores exactly why several of us have said we prefer to own our music and do not view streaming as a primary option, although as I noted streaming can potentially serve a purpose similar to what radio used to do (before all the stations standardized their playlists on the same few songs) in terms of discovering new music you can then go buy.
I agree 100% that streaming is not a replacement to purchasing music, and I am disappointed that Apple has chosen to cease selling music in the near future (though I'm sure there was a business case for doing so). I do not feel it's necessary to own a copy of this music stored to physical media, as I would think I would be owed compensation if I purchased a license to download that music for perpetuity from Apple, and they suddenly decided I could no longer do so.
Why own it?
Because digital copies of music can be removed from your music collection without notice to you by the artist or anyone else for any reason.
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 10, 2018, 04:04:53 PM
I agree 100% that streaming is not a replacement to purchasing music, and I am disappointed that Apple has chosen to cease selling music in the near future (though I'm sure there was a business case for doing so). I do not feel it's necessary to own a copy of this music stored to physical media, as I would think I would be owed compensation if I purchased a license to download that music for perpetuity from Apple, and they suddenly decided I could no longer do so.
I've bought a handful of albums from iTunes. On every device I have, I'm given the option to re-download the songs. I bought the songs/albums on my personal MacBook, but I use my own Apple ID on my work-issued iPhone and iPad. Therefore, I have the Windows version of iTunes installed on my work desktop computer so I can back up my devices. If I go to the "Music" area on my work PC, I am allowed to download those songs.
Quote from: renegade on May 10, 2018, 06:02:58 PM
Why own it?
Because digital copies of music can be removed from your music collection without notice to you by the artist or anyone else for any reason.
Seriously? They can reach in to your device or computer and delete files that you paid for?
Well, if the files are copy-protected, they can certainly make it so that the files can't be played anymore, though I'm not sure if anyone still sells copy-protected music these days. Amazon certainly doesn't.
Such can also happen if you lose the software enabling the DRMed files to be played, such as by switching to a different operating system or the software no longer working. The former happened to me regarding some files ripped with Windows Media Player when I switched to Linux and the latter happened to everyone who played video games protected with SafeDisk or SecuROM when Windows stopped supporting the drivers these programs need to run.
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Why own it?
Because digital copies of music can be removed from your music collection without notice to you by the artist or anyone else for any reason.
Seriously? They can reach in to your device or computer and delete files that you paid for?
I think he was merely repeating the question that was asked, then answering it. That's how I interpreted it, at least.
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I agree 100% that streaming is not a replacement to purchasing music, and I am disappointed that Apple has chosen to cease selling music in the near future (though I'm sure there was a business case for doing so). I do not feel it's necessary to own a copy of this music stored to physical media, as I would think I would be owed compensation if I purchased a license to download that music for perpetuity from Apple, and they suddenly decided I could no longer do so.
I've bought a handful of albums from iTunes. On every device I have, I'm given the option to re-download the songs. I bought the songs/albums on my personal MacBook, but I use my own Apple ID on my work-issued iPhone and iPad. Therefore, I have the Windows version of iTunes installed on my work desktop computer so I can back up my devices. If I go to the "Music" area on my work PC, I am allowed to download those songs.
Quote from: renegade on May 10, 2018, 06:02:58 PM
Why own it?
Because digital copies of music can be removed from your music collection without notice to you by the artist or anyone else for any reason.
Seriously? They can reach in to your device or computer and delete files that you paid for?
Yes. They can, and they do.
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Quote from: abefroman329 on May 10, 2018, 04:04:53 PM
I agree 100% that streaming is not a replacement to purchasing music, and I am disappointed that Apple has chosen to cease selling music in the near future (though I'm sure there was a business case for doing so). I do not feel it's necessary to own a copy of this music stored to physical media, as I would think I would be owed compensation if I purchased a license to download that music for perpetuity from Apple, and they suddenly decided I could no longer do so.
I've bought a handful of albums from iTunes. On every device I have, I'm given the option to re-download the songs. I bought the songs/albums on my personal MacBook, but I use my own Apple ID on my work-issued iPhone and iPad. Therefore, I have the Windows version of iTunes installed on my work desktop computer so I can back up my devices. If I go to the "Music" area on my work PC, I am allowed to download those songs.
Quote from: renegade on May 10, 2018, 06:02:58 PM
Why own it?
Because digital copies of music can be removed from your music collection without notice to you by the artist or anyone else for any reason.
Seriously? They can reach in to your device or computer and delete files that you paid for?
Yes. They can, and they do.
I remain skeptical. I'd love to hear some real-life experiences of this happening.
The topic? The Topic?
Oh yes, the topic.....
Stores:
* Tower Records (amazing store, didn't have a local location until their last years.... they should definitely still be around)
* Sanger Harris (regional dept. store chain merged out of existence in the late 1980s, great sales, still missed)
* Marshall Field's (a midwest dept. store that was also in TX in the 1980s-1990s, was Macyed with little regard for history or shopper loyalty, mmmm... Frango chocolates!)
Restaurants:
* Bennigan's (weird situation--original parent co. folded, somehow the franchisees were able to bring it back but there aren't nearly the amount of locations as before, hate the new logo, miss having the old ones around here, mmmmm.... monte cristo sandwiches!)
* Tinsley's Chicken (regional TX chain bought out by Church's in the late 1980s, rolls were almost better than the chicken!)
* Del Taco (yes, they're still a chain elsewhere, but twice they briefly entered the TX market--1980s and 2010s, and within 2 years both times they bailed, >aargh!!<; why bother trying to enter a new market, get me and others interested and hungry, then pull the plug?? Stupid!!)
Crap, now I'm hungry..... :love: :love: :banghead: :banghead:
China Jade, St. Louis Park, MN. Became a different Chinese place briefly when Jade's owner retired, now I believe a Subway occupies the space it was in. Since they shuttered I've still never found a Chinese place half as good as Jade was.
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* Tower Records (amazing store, didn't have a local location until their last years.... they should definitely still be around)
Even if they didn't die off, they'd probably still be at least somewhat struggling these days, due to the popularity of digital streaming services.
St. Louis Bread Company: regional eatery in Missouri who was bought out by Panera. They were similar to Panera, but so much better!
Quote from: cjk374 on May 14, 2018, 06:49:10 AM
St. Louis Bread Company: regional eatery in Missouri who was bought out by Panera. They were similar to Panera, but so much better!
St. Louis Bread Company
is Panera. They were not bought out by them. They merely changed their name in most of the country except the St. Louis area.
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Quote from: abefroman329 on May 10, 2018, 04:04:53 PM
I agree 100% that streaming is not a replacement to purchasing music, and I am disappointed that Apple has chosen to cease selling music in the near future (though I'm sure there was a business case for doing so). I do not feel it's necessary to own a copy of this music stored to physical media, as I would think I would be owed compensation if I purchased a license to download that music for perpetuity from Apple, and they suddenly decided I could no longer do so.
I've bought a handful of albums from iTunes. On every device I have, I'm given the option to re-download the songs. I bought the songs/albums on my personal MacBook, but I use my own Apple ID on my work-issued iPhone and iPad. Therefore, I have the Windows version of iTunes installed on my work desktop computer so I can back up my devices. If I go to the "Music" area on my work PC, I am allowed to download those songs.
Quote from: renegade on May 10, 2018, 06:02:58 PM
Why own it?
Because digital copies of music can be removed from your music collection without notice to you by the artist or anyone else for any reason.
Seriously? They can reach in to your device or computer and delete files that you paid for?
Yes. They can, and they do.
I remain skeptical. I'd love to hear some real-life experiences of this happening.
Amazon has pulled books down before. In the cases referenced in this article it may have been warranted, but it does show the methodology exists.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2009/07/why_2024_will_be_like_nineteen_eightyfour.html
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Quote from: renegade on May 12, 2018, 11:16:42 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 13, 2018, 03:40:24 PM
Quote from: renegade on May 10, 2018, 06:02:58 PM
Why own it?
Because digital copies of music can be removed from your music collection without notice to you by the artist or anyone else for any reason.
Seriously? They can reach in to your device or computer and delete files that you paid for?
Yes. They can, and they do.
I remain skeptical. I'd love to hear some real-life experiences of this happening.
Worse yet, they can add a modern U2 album to your collection without notice.
I'm just disappointed that I never knew about the Flying Chicken... And me going to Popeye's when I wanted fried chicken in Troy...
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Quote from: renegade on May 12, 2018, 11:16:42 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 10, 2018, 06:38:06 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on May 10, 2018, 04:04:53 PM
I agree 100% that streaming is not a replacement to purchasing music, and I am disappointed that Apple has chosen to cease selling music in the near future (though I'm sure there was a business case for doing so). I do not feel it's necessary to own a copy of this music stored to physical media, as I would think I would be owed compensation if I purchased a license to download that music for perpetuity from Apple, and they suddenly decided I could no longer do so.
I've bought a handful of albums from iTunes. On every device I have, I'm given the option to re-download the songs. I bought the songs/albums on my personal MacBook, but I use my own Apple ID on my work-issued iPhone and iPad. Therefore, I have the Windows version of iTunes installed on my work desktop computer so I can back up my devices. If I go to the "Music" area on my work PC, I am allowed to download those songs.
Quote from: renegade on May 10, 2018, 06:02:58 PM
Why own it?
Because digital copies of music can be removed from your music collection without notice to you by the artist or anyone else for any reason.
Seriously? They can reach in to your device or computer and delete files that you paid for?
Yes. They can, and they do.
I remain skeptical. I'd love to hear some real-life experiences of this happening.
Amazon has pulled books down before. In the cases referenced in this article it may have been warranted, but it does show the methodology exists.
http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2009/07/why_2024_will_be_like_nineteen_eightyfour.html
The article states "Amazon explained that the books had been mistakenly published, and it gave customers a full refund." As long as they did that, I don't really see the issue. Nor do I see an issue if Apple one day decides I can no longer download my purchased copy of Dark Side Of The Moon, provided I'm compensated for it somehow.
Sambo's with 10 cent music, er, coffee! The building which was built for what was a new Sambo's in the later Sixties over here was such a nice example of Googie. Now it is gone completely as today we just saw the Natural Grocers food store open on the site where Sambo's and a small car lot/mechanic shop was.
This has got to me the most bifurcated thread ever...LOL! Oh well, I do have an original iPod with a bit over 1000 songs. That thing is built like a tank! The battery was replaced once by me. Think I'll keep it around.
Rick
Ha! Sambo's, the restaurant that got behind the 8-ball PC-wise.
When I was very young, there was one in Bloomington, IN, I believe at the intersection of IN 45 and IN 46. Begged my parents to go there, just because I liked the name. Went there once and never again. I figure my parents hated it.
Quote from: Rothman on May 16, 2018, 08:09:11 PM
I figure my parents hates it.
Probably - same reason why we never ate at Showbiz or Chuck E. Cheese.
Speaking of restaurants our parents hated, Lum's. They used to describe bad restaurants as "Lum-ish."
I remember Sambo's. My recollection was that it was similar to Denny's, IHOP, Shoney's/Frisch's, etc.
I don't remember Sambo's, but I have a "wooden dime" that's good for a 10¢ cup of coffee.
Quote from: Rothman on May 16, 2018, 08:09:11 PM
Ha! Sambo's, the restaurant that got behind the 8-ball PC-wise.
I've never been to one, but I'd heard from other family members who went to them. I didn't realize there were over 1000 locations!
Quote from: hbelkins on May 17, 2018, 10:38:05 AM
I remember Sambo's. My recollection was that it was similar to Denny's, IHOP, Shoney's/Frisch's, etc.
Many were converted to Denny's. In fact, Sambo's logo looks very similar to the old Denny's logo. I'm not sure if that was intentional.
I still miss the Flying Chicken. :'(
Have any of you that live, or have lived, in Central New York ever heard of the Squat and Gobble? I heard about it from acquaintances in Chesapeake, VA. It was located somewhere on NY 5 between Oneida and Utica. So, I had to check it out on my honeymoon on my way to Saranac Lake in 1987. It was there, however, we did not go in--just took a picture of the sign. I was wondering if it is still around (more than likely, no), or, like I asked before, if anyone had heard of it?
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Quote from: hbelkins on May 17, 2018, 10:38:05 AM
I remember Sambo's. My recollection was that it was similar to Denny's, IHOP, Shoney's/Frisch's, etc.
Many were converted to Denny's. In fact, Sambo's logo looks very similar to the old Denny's logo. I'm not sure if that was intentional.
The Sambo's in my town was converted to another similar restaurant: Friendly's. The Friendly's location about a half mile south moved, as the Sambo's building has more space. It remains one to this day (the old Friendly's is an office building, but you can still see the telltale facade). There is a Denny's about a half mile away that opened when Sambo's was still there.
I miss Circuit City and Blockbuster. Those were good times. I think it got killed by Amazon and Redbox.
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on August 19, 2019, 01:49:57 PM
I miss Circuit City and Blockbuster. Those were good times. I think it got killed by Amazon and Redbox.
Circuit City died long before Amazon became big. You can blame Best Buy for that one (as well as Circuit City's own suicide).
Howard Johnson's Restaurants! Miss their 28 flavors of ice cream and they had great food in their day.
Quote from: roadman65 on August 21, 2019, 07:11:52 PM
Howard Johnson's Restaurants! Miss their 28 flavors of ice cream and they had great food in their day.
Seconded from here! Our preferred one in the 1970's and 1980's was in Williamsburg, VA. Also grew up with one in Fairmount, NY across from the old Carrol's (another favorite for me as a child).
Used to have a HoJo's in my town. Became a Bickfords, and has been about 4 different locally owned restaurants since. Also had a HoJo's motor lodge behind it that is now a Days Inn (had about 5 different names since HoJo's). It retained the signature shape of the orange roof until recently. There was a HoJo's in Waterbury, CT until about 2006.
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Used to have a HoJo's in my town. Became a Bickfords, and has been about 4 different locally owned restaurants since. Also had a HoJo's motor lodge behind it that is now a Days Inn (had about 5 different names since HoJo's). It retained the signature shape of the orange roof until recently. There was a HoJo's in Waterbury, CT until about 2006.
If it's the one off CT 8, my parents and I stayed there three times en route to/from Maine. Unfortunately, the last time was not a pleasant experience (1988) and the nearby diner we liked had closed.
My list:
Chains:
Quincy's--loved their breakfast bar until I discovered Golden Corral's
Mr. Dunderbaks--some really good German food to be had there
Crazy Fire Mongolian Grill (though only one location closed, in Burlington, NC)--used to not charge by the plate and, man, the concoctions my friends and I could come up with ruled
Spaghetti Warehouse (location in Charlotte closed some time ago, not sure about the Marietta, GA, locatiion)
Non-chains:
Azteca Grill in Jonesboro, GA--My first meal out during my first solo drive to Atlanta, pepper jack quesadillas and some awesome fajitas
Country BBQ in Statesville, NC--granted, it was replaced by an even better place, Randy's Barbecue, but still...
Acropolis, Cornelius, NC--just discovered it had been torn down. A place I used to love to treat myself to on my birthday if I was unable to get with my parents (and when I was single)
Uncle Theos, Greensboro, NC--fast food Greek. It was inside the now-defunct Forum VI mini-mall
We had a Bickford's in Vernon for a while but it's not a hibachi restaurant.
We had a Ground Round in Manchester near the mall but it got bulldozed and is now a Sonic.
Bugaboo Creek was up the street from Ground Round until about 2009/10.
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We had a Bickford's in Vernon for a while but it's not a hibachi restaurant.
Breakfast, right? There's still one in Woburn, MA.
There's a Friendly's which closed along US Route 5 in Brattleboro, VT (by the rotary at I-91 Exit 3) several years ago. I think a nearby Bickford's was closed. Today that space is occupied by Ramunto's Pizzaria. I think they also have a couple in NH and MA.
My submission isn't a restaurant or store, but a local skating rink named "Skateport" in Springfield, MO. The place opened in the '70s when roller skating was popular among Gen-Xers. Many years later, my elementary school started hosting "skate parties". I was never any good at skating, so I just hung out at the snack bar with a few friends and played the arcade games & pinball.
Being on a roads forum it's hard to say that the reason the skating rink closed down was that the Missouri Department of Transportation wanted to extend Luster Avenue south to Glenstone Ave & Independence Street, and the the old shack that created Olympian skaters and countless memories was in the way. It was torn down in 2014.
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1450706,-93.252243,17z (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.1450706,-93.252243,17z) it was just northwest of the Andy's, where Luster Avenue is now.
Some of the Graffiti Art on the building before it was demolished: https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2014/06/02/memory-walls-skateport-still-standing-now/9884511/ (https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/2014/06/02/memory-walls-skateport-still-standing-now/9884511/)
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Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 22, 2019, 10:23:29 PM
Used to have a HoJo's in my town. Became a Bickfords, and has been about 4 different locally owned restaurants since. Also had a HoJo's motor lodge behind it that is now a Days Inn (had about 5 different names since HoJo's). It retained the signature shape of the orange roof until recently. There was a HoJo's in Waterbury, CT until about 2006.
If it's the one off CT 8, my parents and I stayed there three times en route to/from Maine. Unfortunately, the last time was not a pleasant experience (1988) and the nearby diner we liked had closed.
The restaurant in Waterbury was only a restaurant from what I remember. This one is off I-84 about 15 minutes east of CT 8.
I remember The Ground Round in Plainville. It was torn down and is now a Walgreens. The one in Rocky Hill is now Wooden Tap, Waterbury is now a Japanese steakhouse, and the one in Hampshire Mall in Hadley, MA is now partially occupied by bathrooms (can still see the colored paneling motif).
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Used to have a HoJo's in my town. Became a Bickfords, and has been about 4 different locally owned restaurants since. Also had a HoJo's motor lodge behind it that is now a Days Inn (had about 5 different names since HoJo's). It retained the signature shape of the orange roof until recently. There was a HoJo's in Waterbury, CT until about 2006.
If it's the one off CT 8, my parents and I stayed there three times en route to/from Maine. Unfortunately, the last time was not a pleasant experience (1988) and the nearby diner we liked had closed.
The restaurant in Waterbury was only a restaurant from what I remember. This one is off I-84 about 15 minutes east of CT 8.
I remember The Ground Round in Plainville. It was torn down and is now a Walgreens. The one in Rocky Hill is now Wooden Tap, Waterbury is now a Japanese steakhouse, and the one in Hampshire Mall in Hadley, MA is now partially occupied by bathrooms (can still see the colored paneling motif).
The HoJos in Vernon was also just a hotel. It lost its franchise and is now a Days Inn. But there's another Choice Hotel (Quality Inn) next door!
"Flying Chicken fan" reminds me of slow-motion films of shooting frozen birds into jet engines.
Flakey Jakes: build-your-own-burger bars, from the same owner of Sea Galley. Someone reopened a Sea Galley, but no one has bother to reopen a Flakey Jakes. My step-dad remarked that they stored sacks of potatoes and flour in the restaurant. He said that they shouldn't waste retail space with inventory storage. Hey, it's for atmosphere! Five Guys still stores potatoes by the line to the counter, but that could be because they really have nowhere else to store it.
Farrel's: ice cream stores. I probably wouldn't go there much as an adult anyway. They tried to revive the chain with stores in Honolulu and Orange County, but both stores closed and the chain is dead again.
I owned an iPod touch, and could make playlists of on-board audio, but the experience was sometimes buggy. Then one night I noticed that there was something in the headphone jack that kept me from plugging it in all the way. I could still hear audio, but the fob remote control wouldn't work. So when I got home I tried to pick out what I thought was food stuck in the bottom of the round hole, using a metal jeweler's screwdriver. It wouldn't come out easily, whatever it was. I kept at it until it made a spark, and then smoke, and then the thing overheated. Remembering the recent Galaxy fires, I stuck it in the freezer and hoped for the best. Once the battery ran out the thing was dead. And unlike phones, no one, not even Apple, will repair an iPod touch.
With my experience with the buggy iTunes software, and knowing that Apple was going to eliminate the headphone jack, I bought an android as my first smart phone. As bad as iTunes was, Android has no playlist options at all. Google music player plays tracks at random, no exceptions. Rocket is a little better, but you have to drag songs one folder at a time, and sometimes one song at a time, for things to play in the proper order. Some podcasts won't play on Rocket when taken from their website (but will play on the Google player), so I have to go to (yes) iTunes to get them. Ironically, the iPod wouldn't play podcasts from the iTunes store, so I had to open and resave them in an audio processing program to get them to play.
And since this thread started, Microsoft closed their book store, stranding everyone who bought books from them.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on August 25, 2019, 05:30:29 PM
The HoJos in Vernon was also just a hotel. It lost its franchise and is now a Days Inn. But there's another Choice Hotel (Quality Inn) next door!
Just a small nitpick - Although Quality Inn is part of Choice Hotels, Days Inn is not - rather Days Inn is part of Wyndham Hotel Group. (HoJo is also part of Wyndham).
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Quote from: OracleUsr on August 23, 2019, 12:24:06 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on August 22, 2019, 10:23:29 PM
Used to have a HoJo's in my town. Became a Bickfords, and has been about 4 different locally owned restaurants since. Also had a HoJo's motor lodge behind it that is now a Days Inn (had about 5 different names since HoJo's). It retained the signature shape of the orange roof until recently. There was a HoJo's in Waterbury, CT until about 2006.
If it's the one off CT 8, my parents and I stayed there three times en route to/from Maine. Unfortunately, the last time was not a pleasant experience (1988) and the nearby diner we liked had closed.
The restaurant in Waterbury was only a restaurant from what I remember. This one is off I-84 about 15 minutes east of CT 8.
I remember The Ground Round in Plainville. It was torn down and is now a Walgreens. The one in Rocky Hill is now Wooden Tap, Waterbury is now a Japanese steakhouse, and the one in Hampshire Mall in Hadley, MA is now partially occupied by bathrooms (can still see the colored paneling motif).
The HoJos in Vernon was also just a hotel. It lost its franchise and is now a Days Inn. But there's another Choice Hotel (Quality Inn) next door!
More like it was switched from HoJo (Wyndham) to Days Inn (also Wyndham).
Is the Bickford's on MA 2 in Greenfield, MA no longer there?
I'm not even really sure how Days Inn and HoJo are supposed to be positioned relative to one another, which is a common problem with Wyndham's (lack of) hierarchy of brands. As far as I can tell the main thing that differentiates HoJo from their other labels to slap on hotels past their prime is some orange and turquoise paint (that typically clashes with the other decor left in place from the property's days as a Comfort Inn or whatever).