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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2450 on: November 11, 2023, 05:54:10 PM »

I don't know what the Rollins building is technicially called now.  (And I work for New Castle County, even.)  Greenville would work at least as well as Fairfax for a control city, probably better than Elsmere.  DelDOT is so scattershot with its signage that the fact that they didn't just carbon-copy this sign is significant enough, but I have no idea why they picked Elsmere.

I would like to know why Newport is a solo control city in both directions on 141, besides that fact that it's incorporated and 141 goes right on top of it.  Most traffic in either direction isn't getting off there.

Well, I googled it (Rollings Building) prior to my previous post because I wasn't sure either.
Looking at the results more carefully, it appears it has gone through a number of name changes in the last 20 years or so, but the latest result I saw was from 2023 (in -- seriously -- an article about ugly buildings). Called it the Rollins Building Heliport.

My personal opinion is that the building, while never beautiful in the classic sense, was much more appealing to me when it was white. To me it got very ugly when it was painted brown (2000s?). I vaguely remember it being built in the early 70s.

I have to say, the Google results were confusing and not dated very well. Interesting and related, here was an article in the Washington Post newspaper today about Google paying big bucks to be the default browser on cell phones, when it may not be the best browser.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2451 on: November 11, 2023, 06:01:37 PM »

I don't know what the Rollins building is technicially called now.  (And I work for New Castle County, even.)  Greenville would work at least as well as Fairfax for a control city, probably better than Elsmere.  DelDOT is so scattershot with its signage that the fact that they didn't just carbon-copy this sign is significant enough, but I have no idea why they picked Elsmere.

I would like to know why Newport is a solo control city in both directions on 141, besides that fact that it's incorporated and 141 goes right on top of it.  Most traffic in either direction isn't getting off there.

I can't really venture an answer to your last question because I am rarely up there any more, and even when I was going up there frequently, I was never going to or through Newport. I've probably been in Newport less than 10 times in 50 years. But if you didn't use Newport, would you use New Castle going SB, and who knows what (what we have been discussing) going NB?

I can say that my father worked for DuPont in Newport in the 50s. Later on, he went to Edgemoor.
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« Reply #2452 on: November 11, 2023, 08:26:32 PM »

Now that you mention it, Greenville would make more sense as a control city.  And no, Prices Corner and Fairfax are not incorporated.  (Neither is Greenville, but it's more identifiable as a place.)  I never quite know what DelDOT is thinking.
[E]xplaining to out-of-state people where I grew up, to those who know the area but not well, I always mention the Rolllns Building which was about half a mile due west of where I lived. Everyone seems to remember that building if they have seen it. It is across the street from the Fairfax Shopping Center, which is what I think of when I see "Fairfax" as a control city.

Now that I live in Baltimore-DC area, I have had several occasions on airplane flights to/from New England cities to fly near Wilmington at altitude, and that Rollins Building is very prominent from the air, being on the Piedmont which is itself a couple hundred feet elevation above Wilmington, and also very isolated (nothing remotely challenges its height in that area with except some radio towers (e.g., WDEL/WSTW and WJBR) which you can't see well from the air).

It's also prominent if you are driving north on I-495 and bravely glance to your left at the apex of the Christina River bridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7262821,-75.5322545,3a,15y,352.05h,91.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s10njWZKSeHTK505FyaKlUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2453 on: November 12, 2023, 05:32:46 PM »

Now that you mention it, Greenville would make more sense as a control city.  And no, Prices Corner and Fairfax are not incorporated.  (Neither is Greenville, but it's more identifiable as a place.)  I never quite know what DelDOT is thinking.
[E]xplaining to out-of-state people where I grew up, to those who know the area but not well, I always mention the Rolllns Building which was about half a mile due west of where I lived. Everyone seems to remember that building if they have seen it. It is across the street from the Fairfax Shopping Center, which is what I think of when I see "Fairfax" as a control city.

Now that I live in Baltimore-DC area, I have had several occasions on airplane flights to/from New England cities to fly near Wilmington at altitude, and that Rollins Building is very prominent from the air, being on the Piedmont which is itself a couple hundred feet elevation above Wilmington, and also very isolated (nothing remotely challenges its height in that area with except some radio towers (e.g., WDEL/WSTW and WJBR) which you can't see well from the air).

It's also prominent if you are driving north on I-495 and bravely glance to your left at the apex of the Christina River bridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7262821,-75.5322545,3a,15y,352.05h,91.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s10njWZKSeHTK505FyaKlUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Also from the Delaware Memorial Bridge which is the same view in the same direction but a couple miles farther away (in other words, from the DMB, the 495 bridge is in that viewline too). As a driver, easier to see driving westbound on the DMB (you would look about 45 degrees to the right) but for obvious reasons I wouldn't recommend doing that in traffic.

As a youngster, before I was driving, I was driven around these locations often enough that I knew where to look to see things like that. Never understood until later why my parents (the drivers) didn't know these things.
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2454 on: November 15, 2023, 05:25:12 PM »

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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2455 on: November 17, 2023, 10:03:52 AM »

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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2456 on: November 17, 2023, 09:00:25 PM »

Now that you mention it, Greenville would make more sense as a control city.  And no, Prices Corner and Fairfax are not incorporated.  (Neither is Greenville, but it's more identifiable as a place.)  I never quite know what DelDOT is thinking.
[E]xplaining to out-of-state people where I grew up, to those who know the area but not well, I always mention the Rolllns Building which was about half a mile due west of where I lived. Everyone seems to remember that building if they have seen it. It is across the street from the Fairfax Shopping Center, which is what I think of when I see "Fairfax" as a control city.

Now that I live in Baltimore-DC area, I have had several occasions on airplane flights to/from New England cities to fly near Wilmington at altitude, and that Rollins Building is very prominent from the air, being on the Piedmont which is itself a couple hundred feet elevation above Wilmington, and also very isolated (nothing remotely challenges its height in that area with except some radio towers (e.g., WDEL/WSTW and WJBR) which you can't see well from the air).

It's also prominent if you are driving north on I-495 and bravely glance to your left at the apex of the Christina River bridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7262821,-75.5322545,3a,15y,352.05h,91.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s10njWZKSeHTK505FyaKlUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Also from the Delaware Memorial Bridge which is the same view in the same direction but a couple miles farther away (in other words, from the DMB, the 495 bridge is in that viewline too). As a driver, easier to see driving westbound on the DMB (you would look about 45 degrees to the right) but for obvious reasons I wouldn't recommend doing that in traffic.

Which is why I included "bravely" in my Christina River bridge reference.  Iykwim.  :cool:

Down in Nassau, a house has been moved to make way for the New Road extension that will take New Road under DE 1.  The project includes a pair of roundabouts.

https://www.capegazette.com/article/house-moved-make-way-new-nassau-road/267585
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2457 on: November 17, 2023, 09:17:21 PM »

Now that you mention it, Greenville would make more sense as a control city.  And no, Prices Corner and Fairfax are not incorporated.  (Neither is Greenville, but it's more identifiable as a place.)  I never quite know what DelDOT is thinking.
[E]xplaining to out-of-state people where I grew up, to those who know the area but not well, I always mention the Rolllns Building which was about half a mile due west of where I lived. Everyone seems to remember that building if they have seen it. It is across the street from the Fairfax Shopping Center, which is what I think of when I see "Fairfax" as a control city.

Now that I live in Baltimore-DC area, I have had several occasions on airplane flights to/from New England cities to fly near Wilmington at altitude, and that Rollins Building is very prominent from the air, being on the Piedmont which is itself a couple hundred feet elevation above Wilmington, and also very isolated (nothing remotely challenges its height in that area with except some radio towers (e.g., WDEL/WSTW and WJBR) which you can't see well from the air).

It's also prominent if you are driving north on I-495 and bravely glance to your left at the apex of the Christina River bridge.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7262821,-75.5322545,3a,15y,352.05h,91.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s10njWZKSeHTK505FyaKlUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

Also from the Delaware Memorial Bridge which is the same view in the same direction but a couple miles farther away (in other words, from the DMB, the 495 bridge is in that viewline too). As a driver, easier to see driving westbound on the DMB (you would look about 45 degrees to the right) but for obvious reasons I wouldn't recommend doing that in traffic.

Which is why I included "bravely" in my Christina River bridge reference.  Iykwim.  :cool:

Down in Nassau, a house has been moved to make way for the New Road extension that will take New Road under DE 1.  The project includes a pair of roundabouts.

https://www.capegazette.com/article/house-moved-make-way-new-nassau-road/267585

I know what you meant. I can mention that, too (and I would also argue that I SHOULD mention it).
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2458 on: November 18, 2023, 09:33:43 PM »

It occurred to me earlier this evening (while talking to my brother on a phone call) that this past week marked the 60th anniversary of the opening of the Delaware Turnpike/Maryland Northeast Expressway.

There was a ceremony (ribbon cutting and unveiling of a replica Mason-Dixon crownstone) at the MD-DE line on Nov 14, 1963, with President Kennedy, Delaware Governor Elbert Carvel, and Maryland Governor Millard Tydings. First traffic allowed at midnight Nov. 15.

Eight days later (Nov 22), President Kennedy was assassinated. Entire highway renamed in JFK's honor in December.

(side note - I remembered this when my brother asked about the I-95 bridge over the Susquehanna River -- which is called the Tydings Bridge).

(note - identical post placed in Maryland thread)
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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2459 on: November 21, 2023, 02:35:39 PM »

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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2460 on: November 21, 2023, 07:14:11 PM »

(For DE 20)  US 113 AT SR 20 GRADE SEPARATED INTERSECTION has been awarded

Plans for this can be found here - [DIRECT PDF DOWNLOAD]

The plan set re-confirms that DE 24 will be routed onto the bypass then back down US 113, and confirms that old DE 24 through downtown Millsboro will be signed as Business 24. Interestingly, this will also be signed as Exit 12 off US 113.



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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2461 on: November 21, 2023, 09:46:32 PM »

(For DE 20)  US 113 AT SR 20 GRADE SEPARATED INTERSECTION has been awarded

Plans for this can be found here - [DIRECT PDF DOWNLOAD]

The plan set re-confirms that DE 24 will be routed onto the bypass then back down US 113, and confirms that old DE 24 through downtown Millsboro will be signed as Business 24. Interestingly, this will also be signed as Exit 12 off US 113.





Precise sign measurments.  Wow.
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« Reply #2462 on: November 25, 2023, 06:12:03 PM »

Interestingly, this will also be signed as Exit 12 off US 113.

Makes sense…it’s 12 miles from the Maryland line…
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« Reply #2463 on: November 25, 2023, 08:47:39 PM »

Interestingly, this will also be signed as Exit 12 off US 113.

Makes sense…it’s 12 miles from the Maryland line…
Right, but are there any other numbered exits on 113?

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« Reply #2464 on: November 25, 2023, 08:59:08 PM »

Interestingly, this will also be signed as Exit 12 off US 113.

Makes sense…it’s 12 miles from the Maryland line…
Right, but are there any other numbered exits on 113?

I presume there will be long-term, but there are not any now.
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« Reply #2465 on: November 25, 2023, 09:00:25 PM »

This new interchange will be the first interchange along US 113 in the state of Delaware, save for the one at its northern terminus with DE 1. 113 used to continue up DE 1 to end at US 13 in Dover, but was truncated in 2004.
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« Reply #2466 on: November 26, 2023, 11:46:29 PM »

This new interchange will be the first interchange along US 113 in the state of Delaware, save for the one at its northern terminus with DE 1. 113 used to continue up DE 1 to end at US 13 in Dover, but was truncated in 2004.

Construction should begin next year on an interchange between US 113 and DE 18/DE 404 in Georgetown. There are also plans to build an interchange at US 113 and DE 16 in Ellendale.
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« Reply #2467 on: November 27, 2023, 08:35:58 PM »

(Affects DE 41, and the presentation mentions former DE 34)  Bridges 1-162, 1-183, 1-615 and 1-616 over Hyde Run Virtual Workshop
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« Reply #2468 on: November 27, 2023, 08:39:22 PM »

(Affects DE 41, and the presentation mentions former DE 34)  Bridges 1-162, 1-183, 1-615 and 1-616 over Hyde Run Virtual Workshop

I don’t know why DelDOT would refer to a road by a designation it decommissioned a few years ago. Almost seems like they should have just left DE 34 stay.
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« Reply #2469 on: November 27, 2023, 08:53:01 PM »

(Affects DE 41, and the presentation mentions former DE 34)  Bridges 1-162, 1-183, 1-615 and 1-616 over Hyde Run Virtual Workshop

I don’t know why DelDOT would refer to a road by a designation it decommissioned a few years ago. Almost seems like they should have just left DE 34 stay.

This presentation wasn't put together by DelDOT, this was done by one of their design contractors, Pennoni. I used to work there and actually did the 3D modelling for the example bridge replacement graphics on slide 13!
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« Reply #2470 on: November 29, 2023, 03:02:26 PM »

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Re: Delaware
« Reply #2472 on: November 30, 2023, 12:07:59 PM »

Statewide - DelDOT Honored for Reducing Severe Crashes at Intersections Using All-Way Stop Control

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2023 National Roadway Safety Awards recognize innovations to protect pedestrians, cyclists and motorists as pandemic spike in U.S. road fatalities continues largely unabated.

How is an All Way Stop intersection innovative?
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« Reply #2473 on: November 30, 2023, 11:50:57 PM »

Statewide - DelDOT Honored for Reducing Severe Crashes at Intersections Using All-Way Stop Control

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How is an All Way Stop intersection innovative?

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The only reason they were awarded is because the data showed a decrease in crashes due to them implementing all way stops at "low volume intersections"

They didn't do anything but add stop signs, to already low volume intersections, we're not talking about Limestone Rd & Route 7 here, basically this is on the level of a good attendance award.
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« Reply #2474 on: December 01, 2023, 01:32:34 PM »

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