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ylekot:
With the completion of the new SR 509 Connector south of Sea-Tac and the new SR 167/509 connector near Fife, will the existing SR 509 on surface streets be transitioned to local control?
jakeroot:
--- Quote from: ylekot on October 13, 2022, 11:58:17 AM ---With the completion of the new SR 509 Connector south of Sea-Tac and the new SR 167/509 connector near Fife, will the existing SR 509 on surface streets be transitioned to local control?
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That would make sense. The vast majority of the surface route seems to be controlled locally anyways (based on intersection elements, eg. signs, signals, markings, etc). I don't know what WSDOT stands to gain by maintaining any kind of decision making with those routes, especially as it seems they largely defer to the local municipalities when it comes to control. WA 99, by comparison, may be a slightly different case, as it is very well known in comparison to 509.
They could maintain them as state routes, but they clearly need to change the number. If 509 is kept exactly as is, you're going to have (a) the 509 freeway in Tacoma and Fife, (b) 509 Spur between 509 and I-5, (c) 509 surface route from Fife to SeaTac, and (d) another 509 freeway from SeaTac to Seattle. Yuck. There are so many ways to clean this up, but I don't have much faith in WSDOT to actually make good choices regarding numbering. The wrong-way 167 is already a sign of their incompetence, IMO.
Bruce:
--- Quote from: ylekot on October 13, 2022, 11:58:17 AM ---With the completion of the new SR 509 Connector south of Sea-Tac and the new SR 167/509 connector near Fife, will the existing SR 509 on surface streets be transitioned to local control?
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SR 516 already covers the Des Moines section and will likely be kept. The southern section does serve a state park, so I think it could warrant a new state route number (SR 511 is still available).
--- Quote from: jakeroot on October 13, 2022, 01:02:47 PM ---They could maintain them as state routes, but they clearly need to change the number. If 509 is kept exactly as is, you're going to have (a) the 509 freeway in Tacoma and Fife, (b) 509 Spur between 509 and I-5, (c) 509 surface route from Fife to SeaTac, and (d) another 509 freeway from SeaTac to Seattle. Yuck. There are so many ways to clean this up, but I don't have much faith in WSDOT to actually make good choices regarding numbering. The wrong-way 167 is already a sign of their incompetence, IMO.
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What's wrong with SR 167? Given its fishhook shape, north-south is pretty reasonable.
jakeroot:
--- Quote from: Bruce on October 13, 2022, 08:39:13 PM ---What's wrong with SR 167? Given its fishhook shape, north-south is pretty reasonable.
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Unless they intend to switch the route direction at Meridian, traffic is going the wrong way between Fife and Puyallup.
I'm not saying it's egregious, but...410 should just take over the whole route from its junction with 167.
Bruce:
--- Quote from: jakeroot on October 13, 2022, 09:07:59 PM ---
--- Quote from: Bruce on October 13, 2022, 08:39:13 PM ---What's wrong with SR 167? Given its fishhook shape, north-south is pretty reasonable.
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Unless they intend to switch the route direction at Meridian, traffic is going the wrong way between Fife and Puyallup.
I'm not saying it's egregious, but...410 should just take over the whole route from its junction with 167.
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That would be a good solution. And so would extending SR 16 over I-5, SR 167, and SR 410 to finally fix that child route numbering issue. :-D
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