Changing Control Cities

[Scott5114]

This is getting to be a ridiculous argument that highlights classic "over thinking" of the entire subject.  For example, "I-70 doesn't really go to Baltimore"; while that's true, if you're in Frederick or Cumberland or even Breezewood and you are going to Baltimore - I-70 is the way there. And, actually, if you're in Breezewood you need I-70 to get to DC too, even though it ultimately doesn't even come close to it.  If you're in Toledo, I-80/90 is the route you need to take if you're going to Chicago.  At least until you get close to it. If you're in Needles, you take I-40 to get to Los Angeles - even though it ends long before getting there (in Barstow).

These petty semantics miss the point and are borderline absurd.  Just my 0.02 that nobody asked for (but it's a forum, so I can).

Agreed 100%, it's the technicalities that some people on this forum focus so hard on that it takes away from simple reality. It's stupid IMO.

This is not about a "technicality" so much is it is about highlighting the incomplete nature of I-70 and forcing the signage to reflect that.

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 wasn't finished in Baltimore:

1. HighwayStar
2.

[sprjus4]

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 lists Baltimore as a control city even though it technically doesn't reach Downtown:

1. HighwayStar
2.

FTFY. I wouldn't say he's the only one that cares the highway system wasn't complete as planned. But he's certainly one of the only ones who cares about the control city listing "Baltimore".

[Scott5114]

In the context control cities he is, yeah. Road signs are for navigation purposes, not "highlighting" anything.

[Roadgeekteen]

This is getting to be a ridiculous argument that highlights classic "over thinking" of the entire subject.  For example, "I-70 doesn't really go to Baltimore"; while that's true, if you're in Frederick or Cumberland or even Breezewood and you are going to Baltimore - I-70 is the way there. And, actually, if you're in Breezewood you need I-70 to get to DC too, even though it ultimately doesn't even come close to it.  If you're in Toledo, I-80/90 is the route you need to take if you're going to Chicago.  At least until you get close to it. If you're in Needles, you take I-40 to get to Los Angeles - even though it ends long before getting there (in Barstow).

These petty semantics miss the point and are borderline absurd.  Just my 0.02 that nobody asked for (but it's a forum, so I can).

Agreed 100%, it's the technicalities that some people on this forum focus so hard on that it takes away from simple reality. It's stupid IMO.

This is not about a "technicality" so much is it is about highlighting the incomplete nature of I-70 and forcing the signage to reflect that.

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 wasn't finished in Baltimore:

1. HighwayStar
2. Fritzowl

FTFY

[ztonyg]

I-17 through most of metro Phoenix has a southern control city of Tucson even though I-17 ends over 100 miles from the Tucson city limits, the same is true for I-8 throughout its entire Arizona run it has an eastern control city of Tucson even though it ends about 60 miles from the Tucson city limits. If you follow I-17 or I-8 to their terminuses they end at I-10 which does serve Tucson. The same is true with I-70 at its terminus I-695 does serve Baltimore.

[Roadgeekteen]

I-17 through most of metro Phoenix has a southern control city of Tucson even though I-17 ends over 100 miles from the Tucson city limits, the same is true for I-8 throughout its entire Arizona run it has an eastern control city of Tucson even though it ends about 60 miles from the Tucson city limits. If you follow I-17 or I-8 to their terminuses they end at I-10 which does serve Tucson. The same is true with I-70 at its terminus I-695 does serve Baltimore.

We have another thread for control cities that are not on the route they are signed on.

[hbelkins]

Egads.  This is still a discussion?  Pretty well-established now that Baltimore is appropriate, Don Quixotes aside.

[Roadgeekteen]

Egads.  This is still a discussion?  Pretty well-established now that Baltimore is appropriate, Don Quixotes aside.

He's no longer arguing his point, so I think we are good.

[hotdogPi]

He's no longer arguing his point, so I think we are good.

It's only been five hours since his last post.

[SkyPesos]

This is getting to be a ridiculous argument that highlights classic "over thinking" of the entire subject.  For example, "I-70 doesn't really go to Baltimore"; while that's true, if you're in Frederick or Cumberland or even Breezewood and you are going to Baltimore - I-70 is the way there. And, actually, if you're in Breezewood you need I-70 to get to DC too, even though it ultimately doesn't even come close to it.  If you're in Toledo, I-80/90 is the route you need to take if you're going to Chicago.  At least until you get close to it. If you're in Needles, you take I-40 to get to Los Angeles - even though it ends long before getting there (in Barstow).

These petty semantics miss the point and are borderline absurd.  Just my 0.02 that nobody asked for (but it's a forum, so I can).

Agreed 100%, it's the technicalities that some people on this forum focus so hard on that it takes away from simple reality. It's stupid IMO.

This is not about a "technicality" so much is it is about highlighting the incomplete nature of I-70 and forcing the signage to reflect that.

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 wasn't finished in Baltimore:

1. HighwayStar
2. Fritzowl
3. Kernals12

FTFY

ftfy 2.0

[Flint1979]

I-70 ending where it does and having Baltimore as the control city are both fine.

[Roadgeekteen]

He's no longer arguing his point, so I think we are good.

It's only been five hours since his last post.

Hopefully he's done.

[empirestate]

He's no longer arguing his point, so I think we are good.

It's only been five hours since his last post.

Hopefully he's done.

I for one am planning to bring the subject up again in 2031.

[HighwayStar]

This is getting to be a ridiculous argument that highlights classic "over thinking" of the entire subject.  For example, "I-70 doesn't really go to Baltimore"; while that's true, if you're in Frederick or Cumberland or even Breezewood and you are going to Baltimore - I-70 is the way there. And, actually, if you're in Breezewood you need I-70 to get to DC too, even though it ultimately doesn't even come close to it.  If you're in Toledo, I-80/90 is the route you need to take if you're going to Chicago.  At least until you get close to it. If you're in Needles, you take I-40 to get to Los Angeles - even though it ends long before getting there (in Barstow).

These petty semantics miss the point and are borderline absurd.  Just my 0.02 that nobody asked for (but it's a forum, so I can).

Agreed 100%, it's the technicalities that some people on this forum focus so hard on that it takes away from simple reality. It's stupid IMO.

This is not about a "technicality" so much is it is about highlighting the incomplete nature of I-70 and forcing the signage to reflect that.

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 wasn't finished in Baltimore:

1. HighwayStar
2.

For 2 you can fill in the hundreds of thousands of people who have had the misfortune of trying to drive in or out of that city with that excuse of an interstate.

[Scott5114]

This is getting to be a ridiculous argument that highlights classic "over thinking" of the entire subject.  For example, "I-70 doesn't really go to Baltimore"; while that's true, if you're in Frederick or Cumberland or even Breezewood and you are going to Baltimore - I-70 is the way there. And, actually, if you're in Breezewood you need I-70 to get to DC too, even though it ultimately doesn't even come close to it.  If you're in Toledo, I-80/90 is the route you need to take if you're going to Chicago.  At least until you get close to it. If you're in Needles, you take I-40 to get to Los Angeles - even though it ends long before getting there (in Barstow).

These petty semantics miss the point and are borderline absurd.  Just my 0.02 that nobody asked for (but it's a forum, so I can).

Agreed 100%, it's the technicalities that some people on this forum focus so hard on that it takes away from simple reality. It's stupid IMO.

This is not about a "technicality" so much is it is about highlighting the incomplete nature of I-70 and forcing the signage to reflect that.

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 wasn't finished in Baltimore:

1. HighwayStar
2.

For 2 you can fill in the hundreds of thousands of people who have had the misfortune of trying to drive in or out of that city with that excuse of an interstate.

Nah, I'll let you do that. You're the one who cares about it.

[HighwayStar]

This is getting to be a ridiculous argument that highlights classic "over thinking" of the entire subject.  For example, "I-70 doesn't really go to Baltimore"; while that's true, if you're in Frederick or Cumberland or even Breezewood and you are going to Baltimore - I-70 is the way there. And, actually, if you're in Breezewood you need I-70 to get to DC too, even though it ultimately doesn't even come close to it.  If you're in Toledo, I-80/90 is the route you need to take if you're going to Chicago.  At least until you get close to it. If you're in Needles, you take I-40 to get to Los Angeles - even though it ends long before getting there (in Barstow).

These petty semantics miss the point and are borderline absurd.  Just my 0.02 that nobody asked for (but it's a forum, so I can).

Agreed 100%, it's the technicalities that some people on this forum focus so hard on that it takes away from simple reality. It's stupid IMO.

This is not about a "technicality" so much is it is about highlighting the incomplete nature of I-70 and forcing the signage to reflect that.

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 wasn't finished in Baltimore:

1. HighwayStar
2.

For 2 you can fill in the hundreds of thousands of people who have had the misfortune of trying to drive in or out of that city with that excuse of an interstate.

Nah, I'll let you do that. You're the one who cares about it.

Alright

1. HighwayStar
2. Fritzowl
3. Kernals12
4.The hundreds of thousands of nameless motorists that have suffered driving in and out of Baltimore on I-70, which is a disgrace of an interstate and a testament to how sad this country has become when it comes to infrastructure.

[sprjus4]

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 lists Baltimore as a control city even though it technically doesn't reach Downtown:

1. HighwayStar
2.

Finish this one.

[Roadgeekteen]

This is getting to be a ridiculous argument that highlights classic "over thinking" of the entire subject.  For example, "I-70 doesn't really go to Baltimore"; while that's true, if you're in Frederick or Cumberland or even Breezewood and you are going to Baltimore - I-70 is the way there. And, actually, if you're in Breezewood you need I-70 to get to DC too, even though it ultimately doesn't even come close to it.  If you're in Toledo, I-80/90 is the route you need to take if you're going to Chicago.  At least until you get close to it. If you're in Needles, you take I-40 to get to Los Angeles - even though it ends long before getting there (in Barstow).

These petty semantics miss the point and are borderline absurd.  Just my 0.02 that nobody asked for (but it's a forum, so I can).

Agreed 100%, it's the technicalities that some people on this forum focus so hard on that it takes away from simple reality. It's stupid IMO.

This is not about a "technicality" so much is it is about highlighting the incomplete nature of I-70 and forcing the signage to reflect that.

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 wasn't finished in Baltimore:

1. HighwayStar
2.

For 2 you can fill in the hundreds of thousands of people who have had the misfortune of trying to drive in or out of that city with that excuse of an interstate.

Nah, I'll let you do that. You're the one who cares about it.

Alright

1. HighwayStar
2. Fritzowl
3. Kernals12
4.The hundreds of thousands of nameless motorists that have suffered driving in and out of Baltimore on I-70, which is a disgrace of an interstate and a testament to how sad this country has become when it comes to infrastructure.

Maybe they care about the highway being unfinished, but they for sure don't care about the control city on I-70.

[kphoger]

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 lists Baltimore as a control city, even though it technically doesn't reach downtown:

1. HighwayStar

Finish this one.

OK, I'm done copy-editing it.

[Scott5114]

This is getting to be a ridiculous argument that highlights classic "over thinking" of the entire subject.  For example, "I-70 doesn't really go to Baltimore"; while that's true, if you're in Frederick or Cumberland or even Breezewood and you are going to Baltimore - I-70 is the way there. And, actually, if you're in Breezewood you need I-70 to get to DC too, even though it ultimately doesn't even come close to it.  If you're in Toledo, I-80/90 is the route you need to take if you're going to Chicago.  At least until you get close to it. If you're in Needles, you take I-40 to get to Los Angeles - even though it ends long before getting there (in Barstow).

These petty semantics miss the point and are borderline absurd.  Just my 0.02 that nobody asked for (but it's a forum, so I can).

Agreed 100%, it's the technicalities that some people on this forum focus so hard on that it takes away from simple reality. It's stupid IMO.

This is not about a "technicality" so much is it is about highlighting the incomplete nature of I-70 and forcing the signage to reflect that.

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 wasn't finished in Baltimore:

1. HighwayStar
2.

For 2 you can fill in the hundreds of thousands of people who have had the misfortune of trying to drive in or out of that city with that excuse of an interstate.

Nah, I'll let you do that. You're the one who cares about it.

Alright

1. HighwayStar
2. Fritzowl
3. Kernals12
4.The hundreds of thousands of nameless motorists that have suffered driving in and out of Baltimore on I-70, which is a disgrace of an interstate and a testament to how sad this country has become when it comes to infrastructure.

No, no, no, it's an itemized list. To finish it you have to fill in their names.

[HighwayStar]

This is getting to be a ridiculous argument that highlights classic "over thinking" of the entire subject.  For example, "I-70 doesn't really go to Baltimore"; while that's true, if you're in Frederick or Cumberland or even Breezewood and you are going to Baltimore - I-70 is the way there. And, actually, if you're in Breezewood you need I-70 to get to DC too, even though it ultimately doesn't even come close to it.  If you're in Toledo, I-80/90 is the route you need to take if you're going to Chicago.  At least until you get close to it. If you're in Needles, you take I-40 to get to Los Angeles - even though it ends long before getting there (in Barstow).

These petty semantics miss the point and are borderline absurd.  Just my 0.02 that nobody asked for (but it's a forum, so I can).

Agreed 100%, it's the technicalities that some people on this forum focus so hard on that it takes away from simple reality. It's stupid IMO.

This is not about a "technicality" so much is it is about highlighting the incomplete nature of I-70 and forcing the signage to reflect that.

An itemized list of anyone who cares that I-70 wasn't finished in Baltimore:

1. HighwayStar
2.

For 2 you can fill in the hundreds of thousands of people who have had the misfortune of trying to drive in or out of that city with that excuse of an interstate.

Nah, I'll let you do that. You're the one who cares about it.

Alright

1. HighwayStar
2. Fritzowl
3. Kernals12
4.The hundreds of thousands of nameless motorists that have suffered driving in and out of Baltimore on I-70, which is a disgrace of an interstate and a testament to how sad this country has become when it comes to infrastructure.

No, no, no, it's an itemized list. To finish it you have to fill in their names.

First, I don't want to do that to this forum, it would be a mess.
Second, its like the Tomb of the Unknown soldier, we don't need to know their name to understand their sacrifices, hours spent driving on surface streets, longing for America to finally get with it and finish the Interstate system General Eisenhower authorized so many decades ago.

[kphoger]

longing for America to finally get with it and finish the Interstate system General Eisenhower authorized so many decades ago.

You think there are hundreds of thousands of people driving to/from Baltimore who are actually thinking that?

[Scott5114]

Second, its like the Tomb of the Unknown soldier, we don't need to know their name to understand their sacrifices, hours spent driving on surface streets, longing for America to finally get with it and finish the Interstate system General Eisenhower authorized so many decades ago.

I need to know their names, because clearly I don't understand the sacrifice they must endure because some engineer put "Baltimore" on a road sign.

[webny99]

... Second, its like the Tomb of the Unknown soldier, we don't need to know their name to understand their sacrifices ...

[hotdogPi]

Second, its like the Tomb of the Unknown soldier, we don't need to know their name to understand their sacrifices, hours spent driving on surface streets, longing for America to finally get with it and finish the Interstate system General Eisenhower authorized so many decades ago.

I need to know their names, because clearly I don't understand the sacrifice they must endure because some engineer put "Baltimore" on a road sign.

Louis Xi
Justin Case
Firstname Lastname
John Hu
Emily Watt
Melissa Idano
Hernando Pendejo
Fri Cruz