Changing Control Cities

[Roadgeekteen]

You don't think it's a problem that But Not Quite appears to be a separate destination, accessible via either highway?

Its no more confusing than having the interstate dead end into a damn parking lot.

It ends at I-695.

[JayhawkCO]

You don't think it's a problem that But Not Quite appears to be a separate destination, accessible via either highway?

Its no more confusing than having the interstate dead end into a damn parking lot.

It ends at I-695.

Incorrect.  If it did, it wouldn't make it all the way to Baltimore!

Chris

[Roadgeekteen]

Wait the parking lot is in Baltimore! Take that highwaystar!

[kphoger]

Wait the parking lot is in Baltimore! Take that highwaystar!

He doesn't care that the highway enters Baltimore city limits.  He doesn't care that Baltimore on the sign is useful for getting people to their destination.  He doesn't care that there are many other examples like it–even more egregious–all over the country.  He doesn't care that drivers would be more confused if it were changed.  He only wants it changed as a way of stomping his feet on the floor than I-70 didn't make it farther into the city.

[JayhawkCO]

Wait the parking lot is in Baltimore! Take that highwaystar!

He doesn't care that the highway enters Baltimore city limits.  He doesn't care that Baltimore on the sign is useful for getting people to their destination.  He doesn't care that there are many other examples like it–even more egregious–all over the country.  He doesn't care that drivers would be more confused if it were changed.  He only wants it changed as a way of stomping his feet on the floor than I-70 didn't make it farther into the city.

I bet it made him really mad when I drove my Jeep into that parking lot to begin the final stretch I needed of I-70 to clinch the whole thing this past January.  My dangerous vehicle was in Baltimore on I-70!

Chris

[jmacswimmer]

Not that I know (or at the moment, personally have reason to care) where the municipal boundaries for the city (or even county) of Baltimore are..... for the general motoring public, I do believe SHA put up signs explicitly saying that I-70 ends at I-695.  While that might not be technically true, the only people who might know that have no business being confused at "having the interstate dead end into a damn parking lot.".

Correct. (And unlike the signs on I-695 as jayhawkco pointed out, it is not signed as continuing past I-695 from I-70 itself.)

It ends at I-695.

Incorrect.  If it did, it wouldn't make it all the way to Baltimore!

FWIW I believe AASHTO did approve formally truncating I-70 to I-695, but it was never carried out by MDOT once the Baltimore Red Line project (which would have shared I-70's current ROW inside I-695 with a downgraded road named Cooks Boulevard) was cancelled in 2015.

Wait the parking lot is in Baltimore! Take that highwaystar!

He doesn't care that the highway enters Baltimore city limits.  He doesn't care that Baltimore on the sign is useful for getting people to their destination.  He doesn't care that there are many other examples like it–even more egregious–all over the country.  He doesn't care that drivers would be more confused if it were changed.  He only wants it changed as a way of stomping his feet on the floor than I-70 didn't make it farther into the city.

It pretty much reads like the FritzOwl thread at this point:

HighwayStar: Remove Baltimore from I-70 signs

The entire rest of the forum: I-70 enters the metro area and provides the main access towards the city from the west, it's fine

HighwayStar: Put Baltimore Beltway on the signs, I think this is needed

I don't think that's an actual Google Maps boundary, there.

I don't know what you're talking about...

*jmacswimmer ducks and runs*

[HighwayStar]

Wait the parking lot is in Baltimore! Take that highwaystar!

He doesn't care that the highway enters Baltimore city limits.  He doesn't care that Baltimore on the sign is useful for getting people to their destination.  He doesn't care that there are many other examples like it–even more egregious–all over the country.  He doesn't care that drivers would be more confused if it were changed.  He only wants it changed as a way of stomping his feet on the floor than I-70 didn't make it farther into the city.

Now now, careful with the straw man, he is still looking for a brain.
He doesn't care that the highway enters Baltimore city limits.-True, as that is a meaningless technicality
He doesn't care that Baltimore on the sign is useful for getting people to their destination.-False, all of my suggested alternatives still have the word "Baltimore" in them.
He doesn't care that there are many other examples like it–even more egregious–all over the country.-Also false, I do care about them, and agree they need to be rectified, particularly in cases where they are misleading because the original design was not completed.
He only wants it changed as a way of stomping his feet on the floor than I-70 didn't make it farther into the city.-Half truth, it needs to reflect the incomplete nature of the route and the fact that I-70 does not meaningfully go to Baltimore.

[kphoger]

Then, it seems to me, control cities do not actually serve the purpose you imagine them to.

[Scott5114]

Wait the parking lot is in Baltimore! Take that highwaystar!

He doesn't care that the highway enters Baltimore city limits.  He doesn't care that Baltimore on the sign is useful for getting people to their destination.  He doesn't care that there are many other examples like it–even more egregious–all over the country.  He doesn't care that drivers would be more confused if it were changed.  He only wants it changed as a way of stomping his feet on the floor than I-70 didn't make it farther into the city.

I bet it made him really mad when I drove my Jeep into that parking lot to begin the final stretch I needed of I-70 to clinch the whole thing this past January.  My dangerous vehicle was in Baltimore on I-70!

Chris

I, too, intentionally got off I-695 and detoured through Baltimore so I could start my westward trek on I-70 in that parking lot. My mom, who grew up in Kansas City and thus had always had a connection to I-70, was driving, and she thought it was really cool that the mighty I-70 in Kansas City got its start in a tiny parking lot in Baltimore.

[kphoger]

My mom, who grew up in Kansas City and thus had always had a connection to I-70, was driving, and she thought it was really cool was really confused that the mighty I-70 in Kansas City got its start in a tiny parking lot in Baltimore.

FTFY

[JayhawkCO]

Wait the parking lot is in Baltimore! Take that highwaystar!

He doesn't care that the highway enters Baltimore city limits.  He doesn't care that Baltimore on the sign is useful for getting people to their destination.  He doesn't care that there are many other examples like it–even more egregious–all over the country.  He doesn't care that drivers would be more confused if it were changed.  He only wants it changed as a way of stomping his feet on the floor than I-70 didn't make it farther into the city.

I bet it made him really mad when I drove my Jeep into that parking lot to begin the final stretch I needed of I-70 to clinch the whole thing this past January.  My dangerous vehicle was in Baltimore on I-70!

Chris

I, too, intentionally got off I-695 and detoured through Baltimore so I could start my westward trek on I-70 in that parking lot. My mom, who grew up in Kansas City and thus had always had a connection to I-70, was driving, and she thought it was really cool that the mighty I-70 in Kansas City got its start in a tiny parking lot in Baltimore.

And likewise for me when I found that information out having lived in two different cities along I-70.  I needed to still clinch the portion from that awesome parking lot in Baltimore up to the PA Turnpike on this last trip.  How great is it that I-70 starts at a parking lot in Baltimore!

Chris

[Roadgeekteen]

I think that the east end of I-70 is unique and cool.

[thenetwork]

I-70 EAST:  Somewhere in Maryland

[sprjus4]

We talk about I-70 and Baltimore... I guess we're forgetting I-695 North lists "New York"  

[Roadgeekteen]

We talk about I-70 and Baltimore... I guess we're forgetting I-695 North lists "New York"  

Wait until he here's that I-384 lists Providence... he's gonna cry.

[Flint1979]

What would you do if you came across a highway that had the control city of Hell? D32 in Michigan.

[ilpt4u]

What would you do if you came across a highway that had the control city of Hell? D32 in Michigan.

Sing "Highway to Hell"  as I literally turn onto the highway to Hell, MI

[HighwayStar]

Wait the parking lot is in Baltimore! Take that highwaystar!

He doesn't care that the highway enters Baltimore city limits.  He doesn't care that Baltimore on the sign is useful for getting people to their destination.  He doesn't care that there are many other examples like it–even more egregious–all over the country.  He doesn't care that drivers would be more confused if it were changed.  He only wants it changed as a way of stomping his feet on the floor than I-70 didn't make it farther into the city.

I bet it made him really mad when I drove my Jeep into that parking lot to begin the final stretch I needed of I-70 to clinch the whole thing this past January.  My dangerous vehicle was in Baltimore on I-70!

Chris

I, too, intentionally got off I-695 and detoured through Baltimore so I could start my westward trek on I-70 in that parking lot. My mom, who grew up in Kansas City and thus had always had a connection to I-70, was driving, and she thought it was really cool that the mighty I-70 in Kansas City got its start in a tiny parking lot in Baltimore.

And likewise for me when I found that information out having lived in two different cities along I-70.  I needed to still clinch the portion from that awesome parking lot in Baltimore up to the PA Turnpike on this last trip.  How great is it that I-70 starts at a parking lot in Baltimore!

Chris

From a roadfan standpoint? Its very neat.
From a motorist who wants to get somewhere standpoint? Its a disgrace.

[Roadgeekteen]

Wait the parking lot is in Baltimore! Take that highwaystar!

He doesn't care that the highway enters Baltimore city limits.  He doesn't care that Baltimore on the sign is useful for getting people to their destination.  He doesn't care that there are many other examples like it–even more egregious–all over the country.  He doesn't care that drivers would be more confused if it were changed.  He only wants it changed as a way of stomping his feet on the floor than I-70 didn't make it farther into the city.

I bet it made him really mad when I drove my Jeep into that parking lot to begin the final stretch I needed of I-70 to clinch the whole thing this past January.  My dangerous vehicle was in Baltimore on I-70!

Chris

I, too, intentionally got off I-695 and detoured through Baltimore so I could start my westward trek on I-70 in that parking lot. My mom, who grew up in Kansas City and thus had always had a connection to I-70, was driving, and she thought it was really cool that the mighty I-70 in Kansas City got its start in a tiny parking lot in Baltimore.

And likewise for me when I found that information out having lived in two different cities along I-70.  I needed to still clinch the portion from that awesome parking lot in Baltimore up to the PA Turnpike on this last trip.  How great is it that I-70 starts at a parking lot in Baltimore!

Chris

From a roadfan standpoint? Its very neat.
From a motorist who wants to get somewhere standpoint? Its a disgrace.

A motorist who follows signs to Baltimore will be led onto I-695 to get to Baltimore. Big deal.

[Flint1979]

Wait the parking lot is in Baltimore! Take that highwaystar!

He doesn't care that the highway enters Baltimore city limits.  He doesn't care that Baltimore on the sign is useful for getting people to their destination.  He doesn't care that there are many other examples like it–even more egregious–all over the country.  He doesn't care that drivers would be more confused if it were changed.  He only wants it changed as a way of stomping his feet on the floor than I-70 didn't make it farther into the city.

I bet it made him really mad when I drove my Jeep into that parking lot to begin the final stretch I needed of I-70 to clinch the whole thing this past January.  My dangerous vehicle was in Baltimore on I-70!

Chris

I, too, intentionally got off I-695 and detoured through Baltimore so I could start my westward trek on I-70 in that parking lot. My mom, who grew up in Kansas City and thus had always had a connection to I-70, was driving, and she thought it was really cool that the mighty I-70 in Kansas City got its start in a tiny parking lot in Baltimore.

And likewise for me when I found that information out having lived in two different cities along I-70.  I needed to still clinch the portion from that awesome parking lot in Baltimore up to the PA Turnpike on this last trip.  How great is it that I-70 starts at a parking lot in Baltimore!

Chris

From a roadfan standpoint? Its very neat.
From a motorist who wants to get somewhere standpoint? Its a disgrace.

That parking lot isn't stopping anyone from getting somewhere. I-695 lists Baltimore as a control city from I-70. Baltimore Beltway is a stupid idea for a control city btw. Someone will come along and think oh the Baltimore Beltway, what the hell? I-70 is heading toward Baltimore and Baltimore is Maryland's largest city so no it's not a disgrace.

[Flint1979]

At the eastern end of US-10 the control cities for SB I-75 use to be Flint and Detroit, skipping over Saginaw which I-75 still hasn't reached.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5954794,-83.958914,3a,75y,103.17h,92.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2d71G43DfCgn5MLnl1fX9A!2e0!7i3328!8i1664

Now it's been changed to Saginaw.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5955067,-83.958906,3a,75y,103.17h,92.8t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sBudlPt9hfVwEH0i0a8bthw!2e0!5s20190901T000000!7i16384!8i8192

[kphoger]

From a motorist who wants to get somewhere standpoint? Its a disgrace.

That parking lot isn't stopping anyone from getting somewhere.

Yep, there's the summary of this conversation.

[Roadgeekteen]

From a motorist who wants to get somewhere standpoint? Its a disgrace.

That parking lot isn't stopping anyone from getting somewhere.

Yep, there's the summary of this conversation.

And we are done here.

[webny99]

Oh, we're never done. I'd be disappointed in us if this doesn't come up in some random thread five months from now.

[HighwayStar]

From a motorist who wants to get somewhere standpoint? Its a disgrace.

That parking lot isn't stopping anyone from getting somewhere.

Yep, there's the summary of this conversation.

And we are done here.

That parking lot isn't stopping anyone from getting somewhere. This is patently false, if you look at where the road was supposed to go its obvious that the parking lot prevents you from going to Baltimore as intended. And the argument that you "could always get there via some other roads" misses the point.