Changing Control Cities

[Angelo71]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

[jmacswimmer]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

[HighwayStar]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

The city limits test is not really meant to be applied that way. Since the ramp is 1.1 miles from the city center, and the town is very small, that seems like an acceptable level of service.

[jmacswimmer]

[sprjus4]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

The city limits test is not really meant to be applied that way. Since the ramp is 1.1 miles from the city center, and the town is very small, that seems like an acceptable level of service.

But it doesn't enter the city limits, therefore it is not an appropriate control city, according to someone's logic.

[hotdogPi]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

The city limits test is not really meant to be applied that way. Since the ramp is 1.1 miles from the city center, and the town is very small, that seems like an acceptable level of service.

But it doesn't enter the city limits, therefore it is not an appropriate control city, according to someone's logic.

That wasn't his argument. It was that it got nowhere near downtown. (I-70 does enter Baltimore city limits.)

[HighwayStar]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

The city limits test is not really meant to be applied that way. Since the ramp is 1.1 miles from the city center, and the town is very small, that seems like an acceptable level of service.

But it doesn't enter the city limits, therefore it is not an appropriate control city, according to someone's logic.

That wasn't his argument. It was that it got nowhere near downtown. (I-70 does enter Baltimore city limits.)

Correct. The city limits point was actually introduced by someone else and I specifically pointed out that it was immaterial.
With the way city limits are defined and drawn it is not possible to use them as the sole or even main metric of defining what should constitute a control city.
A small city with tightly drawn limits (ie. Washington) may be much better served by a highway slightly outside those limits than the case of a large city with generously drawn boundaries where the highway barely enters on a suburban periphery.

[jp the roadgeek]

I-395's North's control city coming off of CT 2 East should not be Providence.  I-395 comes nowhere near Providence, and it is never used as a control anywhere on the mainline (and who uses CT 2 to get from Hartford to Providence?).  It really should be Worcester everywhere from Exit 11 northward, and that includes on CT 2 (Plainfield is way too small to be a control, as it is on I-95 at the split).  However, New Haven southbound for I-395 south of Norwich is fine, even though it doesn't come within 40 miles of New Haven as most traffic defaults onto I-95 South (although MassDOT uses New London for Exit 90 on the Mass Pike); it's too short of a distance between Norwich and the CT 32 connector to bother using New London.   

[US 89]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Given that I have never heard of either of these places, that seems like a bad idea.

[hotdogPi]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Given that I have never heard of either of these places, that seems like a bad idea.

Never heard of Cranberry, and using it as a control city is ridiculous.

Washington, PA is medium-sized; it wouldn't be that unreasonable past Pittsburgh, as long as the state name is included to avoid confusion with Washington DC. (If the city in that location had a unique name, you might have recognized it, but only might.)

[HighwayStar]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Given that I have never heard of either of these places, that seems like a bad idea.

Never heard of Cranberry, and using it as a control city is ridiculous.

Washington, PA is medium-sized; it wouldn't be that unreasonable past Pittsburgh, as long as the state name is included to avoid confusion with Washington DC. (If the city in that location had a unique name, you might have recognized it, but only might.)

Its far enough from DC that it should not be an issue. Besides, Washington DC should always appear as "Washington, DC" or "Washington, Dist. of C", or "Washington, District of Columbia" anyway.

[Angelo71]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

Well it is important since its intersection with I-70.

[Angelo71]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Given that I have never heard of either of these places, that seems like a bad idea.

They are both gross suburbs of gross Pittsburgh. In Cranberry I-79 has an intersection with I-76. In Washington, it has an intersection with I-70.

[SkyPesos]

Considering it's Pennsylvania, I wouldn't be surprised if Cranberry gets signed in the future. They have Hazleton as a control for I-81 NB instead of much larger Scranton, just because it's at a junction with I-80.

[Angelo71]

Considering it's Pennsylvania, I wouldn't be surprised if Cranberry gets signed in the future. They have Hazleton as a control for I-81 NB instead of much larger Scranton, just because it's at a junction with I-80.

PA should condemn the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County. It is like if a senile decrepit woman became a town.

[jmacswimmer]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

Well it is important since its intersection with I-70.

Ok, so by that same token isn't Pittsburgh important because of the intersections with I-376 & I-279?

PA should condemn the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County. It is like if a senile decrepit woman became a town.

Yikes, did Pittsburgh steal your lunch money or something?

[Angelo71]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

Well it is important since its intersection with I-70.

Ok, so by that same token isn't Pittsburgh important because of the intersections with I-376 & I-279?

PA should condemn the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County. It is like if a senile decrepit woman became a town.

Yikes, did Pittsburgh steal your lunch money or something?

Pittsburgh ruined the first bit of my life. It is a depressed disgusting decrepit town that is a curse

[StogieGuy7]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

Well it is important since its intersection with I-70.

Ok, so by that same token isn't Pittsburgh important because of the intersections with I-376 & I-279?

PA should condemn the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County. It is like if a senile decrepit woman became a town.

Yikes, did Pittsburgh steal your lunch money or something?

Pittsburgh ruined the first bit of my life. It is a depressed disgusting decrepit town that is a curse

Well, I'll give you this: it is a very strange/weird and rather depressing area. The way it's set up, with intensely crowded valley areas, creepy old houses/towns (like run-down old, not charming old), and an illogical level of general disorganization. Ironically, downtown Pittsburgh is actually very clean and modern, it's the rest of the metro area that's weird, dirty and old. Just my 0.02. 

It's not the worst place in America by any means, but it's one of the oddest big cities I've visited.  Cincinnati in another one that seems a little off to me.

[HighwayStar]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

Well it is important since its intersection with I-70.

Ok, so by that same token isn't Pittsburgh important because of the intersections with I-376 & I-279?

PA should condemn the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County. It is like if a senile decrepit woman became a town.

Yikes, did Pittsburgh steal your lunch money or something?

Pittsburgh ruined the first bit of my life. It is a depressed disgusting decrepit town that is a curse

Well, I'll give you this: it is a very strange/weird and rather depressing area. The way it's set up, with intensely crowded valley areas, creepy old houses/towns (like run-down old, not charming old), and an illogical level of general disorganization. Ironically, downtown Pittsburgh is actually very clean and modern, it's the rest of the metro area that's weird, dirty and old. Just my 0.02. 

It's not the worst place in America by any means, but it's one of the oddest big cities I've visited.  Cincinnati in another one that seems a little off to me.

In defense of Pittsburgh, it is a classic rustbelt town. They got screwed over by bad economic, trade, industrial, fiscal, environmental, and other policies that were made by the bureaucrats in Washington. Its really a sad place to see through that lens.

[StogieGuy7]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

Well it is important since its intersection with I-70.

Ok, so by that same token isn't Pittsburgh important because of the intersections with I-376 & I-279?

PA should condemn the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County. It is like if a senile decrepit woman became a town.

Yikes, did Pittsburgh steal your lunch money or something?

Pittsburgh ruined the first bit of my life. It is a depressed disgusting decrepit town that is a curse

Well, I'll give you this: it is a very strange/weird and rather depressing area. The way it's set up, with intensely crowded valley areas, creepy old houses/towns (like run-down old, not charming old), and an illogical level of general disorganization. Ironically, downtown Pittsburgh is actually very clean and modern, it's the rest of the metro area that's weird, dirty and old. Just my 0.02. 

It's not the worst place in America by any means, but it's one of the oddest big cities I've visited.  Cincinnati in another one that seems a little off to me.

In defense of Pittsburgh, it is a classic rustbelt town. They got screwed over by bad economic, trade, industrial, fiscal, environmental, and other policies that were made by the bureaucrats in Washington. Its really a sad place to see through that lens.

Agreed on all points. But, to an outsider, it's just weird - for reasons that have historical reasons.  For example, I had a project in an area around Hamar and Fox Chapel. The former is a crowded old mill/mining town along a river, the latter is a very wealthy suburb.  Hamar is as densely packed as any big city, until you get to the hillsides which are wooded. Fox Chapel is wealthy with large houses on large lots atop a plateau.  In between the land is steep and some of it is still used to mine coal.  And, in the middle of the trees, along a ravine (and quite close to the state highway) are all these row houses that look as ghetto as anything in Philly.  You have this in an otherwise wooded rural to suburban area.  And I saw stuff like this all over the area.  It's as if nobody every considered the concept of urban planning or zoning.  Apparently, the row houses are former tenements for the miners who worked on old mines in the area. 

It's interesting but very strange to see as you drive around.

[Roadgeekteen]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

Well it is important since its intersection with I-70.

Ok, so by that same token isn't Pittsburgh important because of the intersections with I-376 & I-279?

PA should condemn the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County. It is like if a senile decrepit woman became a town.

Yikes, did Pittsburgh steal your lunch money or something?

Pittsburgh ruined the first bit of my life. It is a depressed disgusting decrepit town that is a curse

So it shouldn't be a control city? Also Pittsburgh is much better than it used to be, especially downtown.

[Angelo71]

I-79's control city should not be Pittsburgh. It should be Cranberry if your going north and Washington if your going south.

Also I-79 doesn't hit the city limits of Washington either, so guess we gotta skip straight to Morgantown Fairmont!

Well it is important since its intersection with I-70.

Ok, so by that same token isn't Pittsburgh important because of the intersections with I-376 & I-279?

PA should condemn the city of Pittsburgh and Allegheny County. It is like if a senile decrepit woman became a town.

Yikes, did Pittsburgh steal your lunch money or something?

Pittsburgh ruined the first bit of my life. It is a depressed disgusting decrepit town that is a curse

So it shouldn't be a control city? Also Pittsburgh is much better than it used to be, especially downtown.

Move to McKeesport and the Eastern areas. I am sadly from that disgusting area, and my childhood was ruined because of the school system and everything else. Gunshots all the time, kidnapping every day, and my parents still live in Pittsburgh and there were two kidnappings this week. It is disgusting. I remember some kid said his parents were drug dealers you should never stand up for disgusting Pittsburgh. If a decrepit senile old woman became a city she would be Pittsburgh. D.C. needs to put this in their next bill. Get rid of Pittsburgh. Don't gentrify just make everyone leave and destroy it or something make it seem like it was never ever there. Most residents probably wish that would happen, besides the criminals

[Mr_Northside]

Never heard of Cranberry, and using it as a control city is ridiculous.

Cranberry has really exploded in the last 20-25 years.
It's become a major suburb in terms of residence, and home to a lot of retail and a bunch of office space/office parks (When not working from home due to Covid, my company's office is in a Cranberry business park).
It's also that junction of I-79 and I-76/PA Turnpike, and US-19 is a major arterial in the area.
I'm kind of surprised it hasn't really been used at all (not instead of Pittsburgh, of course, but at and north of the Parkway West interchange).  Especially on I-279/I-579 north (which still use Erie).   I-376 uses Monroeville heading east out of the city, and Cranberry is pretty much now the same thing, but north of the city instead of east.

Now, if you don't mind, it's already after 4 o'clock and I haven't kidnapped anyone yet today.

[Scott5114]

In this thread:
HighwayStar: Baltimore shouldn't be a control city because I want to make a point about a freeway cancellation
Angelo71: Pittsburgh shouldn't be a control city because it ruined my life

Am I the only one who remembers what the hell the purpose of road signs even is??

[webny99]

Now, if you don't mind, it's already after 4 o'clock and I haven't kidnapped anyone yet today.

LOL!