NY-27 Atlantic Expressway

[Mike2357]

If I ever win the lottery, I will offer a few million dollars to  construct ALL of the unbuilt tri-state highways 3x over.

[seicer]

You'd need... many more millions than that. Lottery winnings would barely cover an environmental impact study.

[Mike2357]

Well the car emissions would be the same, but the traffic speed should be higher, same number of cars, but just another highway to diffuse it. I know they worried about CO poisoning if I 78 was routed under Broome st/Christie street in lower Manhattan, which is one of the reasons they dropped it, but I could see a massive elevated highway above brooklyn and the south shore being environmentally feasible.

[Roadgeek Adam]

With very very rare exceptions, there will never be a single mile of new road built in the NYC metro ever again. Period.

[Mike2357]

Well that is why NYC has far worse traffic than even LA. LA has a nice complete interlocking grid of interstates. NYC just has half-ass, truncated, parkways that just stop, instead of continuing through to other highways. Almost every highway goes around the perimeter, Brooklyn has NO highways serving anywhere inland in the borough. The prospect expressway and Jackie Robinson parkway are laughing stocks. Not ONE of the auxiliary 3 digit highways ending in 78 connect to 78, not one. Clearview just grinds to a halt in queens, nassau expressway, and staten island pfftt HA HA HA they have the most unbuilt roads out of any borough. The west side "highway" with a 30 mph speed limit and superlong lights. The best part is the "speed enforcement ahead slow down" signs during rush hour!

[Roadgeek Adam]

I'm sorry. It's over. There's no future for freeways in the metro. Public transit is better anyway, unless you're a certain member of this site who has issues with it.

The future isn't in freeways in the NYC metro. At this point money is going to upgrading and rebuilding where necessarily.

[Mike2357]

Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.

[Roadgeek Adam]

lol no. You are sadly mistaken on the route this country is going, let alone in the NYC metro.

[D-Dey65]

Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.

No the MTA money should strictly be with MTA-related projects. The money for better highways should go to state and county highway departments.

[seicer]

Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.

Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.

[Rothman]

Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.

Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Favorite post of the thread so far.

[D-Dey65]

Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.

Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.

That's not what I was suggesting. Forcing toll rates on bridges to all go to mass transit puts our roads at risk and was a bad idea. Doing the exact opposite as Mike2357 suggested was equally bad. 

[seicer]

Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.

Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.

That's not what I was suggesting. Forcing toll rates on bridges to all go to mass transit puts our roads at risk and was a bad idea. Doing the exact opposite as Mike2357 suggested was equally bad. 

Except that is not how MTA's budget is even structured: https://new.mta.info/budget/MTA-operating-budget-basics

[Rothman]

MTA's budget makes State DOTs' budgets look like old checkbook ledgers.

[Mike2357]

Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.

Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Subway trains can't go 120-150 mph like most cars can though. Every other avenue, and every 10th cross street in Manhattan should be converted into expressway.

[odditude]

Subway trains can't go 120-150 mph like most cars can though.

Cars can't go anywhere near that fast in NYC (nor above 65mph elsewhere in NY), so that argument is absolutely meaningless. Also, where would all of the extra cars park?

[Mike2357]

Subway trains can't go 120-150 mph like most cars can though.

Cars can't go anywhere near that fast in NYC (nor above 65mph elsewhere in NY), so that argument is absolutely meaningless. Also, where would all of the extra cars park?

But Subway trains never exceed 40 mph, and yes during thr pandemic you were able to go 100-120 mph on even the most normally congested roads.

[Roadgeek2500]

Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.

Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Subway trains can't go 120-150 mph like most cars can though. Every other avenue, and every 10th cross street in Manhattan should be converted into expressway.

I've been awoken by my 2 year lurking slumber by this gem right here. Bravo...

[Mike2357]

As for parking, every house should have a driveway, and every 3rd cubic block should have at least 1 parking garage on a corner.

[TheDon102]

Nah, all MTA money should go toward improving the roads. Interstate Highways have been and always will be the gems of New York City.

Oh yeah, I can see interstate highways somehow replacing subways and the elevated lines through Manhattan and Brooklyn. Somehow replacing the capacity of both of those modes of transit with single-use cars would totally be efficient and not a waste of taxpayer dollars.

Subway trains can't go 120-150 mph like most cars can though. Every other avenue, and every 10th cross street in Manhattan should be converted into expressway.

gotta be a troll

[jmacswimmer]

As for parking, every house should have a driveway, and every 3rd cubic block should have at least 1 parking garage on a corner.

And where exactly do you plan to find the space for driveways & parking garages everywhere? 

gotta be a troll

Reads to me like dzlsabe but with Long Island instead of Chicago 

[Mike2357]

I ain't trolling. An underground spiral shaped parking lot and NYC should evolve into the car capital of the world. Driving is also better for people's mental health than just being bored out of your mind sitting a gross subway.

[hotdogPi]

gotta be a troll

Reads to me like dzlsabe but with Long Island instead of Chicago 

dzlsabe focused on one specific thing. This (especially the post after yours) reads more like kernals12. (HighwayStar pushes back against criticism much more than Mike2357 does.)

[jmacswimmer]

An underground spiral shaped parking lot

Good luck designing them around all the subway lines (not to mention Penn Station & Grand Central).

gross subway.

Ok I take it back: you're not a dzlsabe sockpuppet, you're a kernals12 sockpuppet  (You beat me to it, 1!)

[Mike2357]

The subway line would be modified to wrap around the spiral parking lot in the opposite direction, both horizontally and vertically, similar to the double helix structure of DNA. Regardless, cars and roads should always take priority over public transportation.