For a long time now there have been barges poking about near the Tappan Zee Bridge, and from my understanding they were there as part of investigations in the process of developing a replacement plan.
Now there is a string of significantly more of them, working day and night, and I feel like I heard somewhere that they are actually doing preliminary work on the new bridge. Any truth to this?
Could it also be part of the redecking project? Yes, the old deck was that bad that it had to be replaced, even though the whole bridge is going to be dismantled soon.
It's for the new bridge. They started driving piles a couple weeks ago.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/05/16/residents-upset-by-construction-of-new-tappan-zee-bridge/
About time they began replacing the Tapan Zee Bridge. While visiting upstate New York last year, a friend who works at the DOT for New York told me, "I don't even use this bridge when I go to my sisters house. I'll take another bridge until they replace this unsafe bridge with one that is safe."
There's now a "New NY Bridge Outreach Center" on Main St. in Nyack. Is this bridge supposed to get a new name? "New NY Bridge" sounds a lot like "New [team] Stadium" before they get the naming rights sold.
I presume it's to differentiate the new bridge from the current one. It probably will officially have a new name with everyone still calling it the Tappan Zee.
Quote from: vdeane on June 03, 2013, 06:31:18 AM
I presume it's to differentiate the new bridge from the current one. It probably will officially have a new name with everyone still calling it the Tappan Zee.
There was talk about keeping the current bridge standing and converting it into a pedestrian/bicycle bridge, similar to the Walkway Over the Hudson except further south. Does anyone know if they're planning to actually do this?
Quote from: Duke87 on May 30, 2013, 08:57:12 PM
It's for the new bridge. They started driving piles a couple weeks ago.
That likely explains the presence of two barge cranes I saw last Friday while en route to the Portsmouth, NH meet.
Quote from: vdeane on June 03, 2013, 06:31:18 AM
I presume it's to differentiate the new bridge from the current one. It probably will officially have a new name with everyone still calling it the Tappan Zee.
The existing bridge is already officially known as the "Governor Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge", but aside from a couple of little signs at either end, the full name does not appear in the field anywhere.
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 03, 2013, 08:27:25 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on May 30, 2013, 08:57:12 PM
It's for the new bridge. They started driving piles a couple weeks ago.
That likely explains the presence of two barge cranes I saw last Friday while en route to the Portsmouth, NH meet.
I saw those on my way home, as well as what appeared to be some work on the western landing.
I still think the replacement should get the name of the existing bridge.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 05, 2013, 10:45:26 AM
I still think the replacement should get the name of the existing bridge.
I disagree. The Tappan Zee Bridge name has been given a huge negative connotation due to the horrible state of the existing bridge and delays in getting the new one started. A fresh name would give the bridge some nice new PR help. Out of respect for Gov. Malcolm Wilson, though, his name should be appended onto whatever general name is chosen (or they could pull a NYC and just use the person's name with no general name....NYC area can have its own Wilson Bridge!).
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Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 05, 2013, 10:45:26 AM
I still think the replacement should get the name of the existing bridge.
I disagree. The Tappan Zee Bridge name has been given a huge negative connotation due to the horrible state of the existing bridge and delays in getting the new one started. A fresh name would give the bridge some nice new PR help. Out of respect for Gov. Malcolm Wilson, though, his name should be appended onto whatever general name is chosen (or they could pull a NYC and just use the person's name with no general name....NYC area can have its own Wilson Bridge!).
Well, strictly speaking, the new bridge will also be the "Tappan Zee bridge" if not the "Tappan Zee Bridge". That is, it will be a bridge and it will span the Tappan Zee. So whatever it's officially named, it won't be incorrect to say "Tappan Zee bridge" either.
I read someplace, that the Tappan Zee Bridge was built the way it was cause of steel rationalling back in the 1940s and 50s. Also, that it was not planned to be a permanent structure, as engineers at the time thought it would be replaced with a more stronger and sound structure before the turn of the century.
I do not not know if that is true or not, but it could very well be as many bridges are much older than that crossing and are still standing with few problems. I cannot remember where I saw the article, but if someone knows anything to this tale, please post what you know. Meanwhile, I will continue my search and post the source as soon as I find it.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on May 30, 2013, 06:56:22 PM
For a long time now there have been barges poking about near the Tappan Zee Bridge, and from my understanding they were there as part of investigations in the process of developing a replacement plan.
Now there is a string of significantly more of them, working day and night, and I feel like I heard somewhere that they are actually doing preliminary work on the new bridge. Any truth to this?
I crossed the Tappan Zee westbound this past Sunday, and there were at least four cranes on some sort of barges in the river to the north of the existing bridge. Looked to me like they might be doing excavation work for foundations for the new bridge (I remember similar-looking activities in the Potomac River just south of Washington, D.C. for the first new Woodrow Wilson Bridge span in about 2000 or 2001).
Quote from: mtantillo on June 05, 2013, 11:03:09 AM
Quote from: D-Dey65 on June 05, 2013, 10:45:26 AM
I still think the replacement should get the name of the existing bridge.
I disagree. The TapDpan Zee Bridge name has been given a huge negative connotation due to the horrible state of the existing bridge and delays in getting the new one started. A fresh name would give the bridge some nice new PR help. Out of respect for Gov. Malcolm Wilson, though, his name should be appended onto whatever general name is chosen (or they could pull a NYC and just use the person's name with no general name....NYC area can have its own Wilson Bridge!).
Why not just call it 95 and see if people change their preference over 40 years?
I think what you said is what the marketing team thinks, but I don't sense any huge negative connotation down there. This is not ValuJet we're talking about here. It's sort of silly to rename a crossing because you want people to like it. It will be a couple of generations before the new name takes over (anyone referenced the Koch Bridge lately?) and it causes confusion in the interim for wholly impractical ends.
Call it what the users call it, and stop hiring planners with a desire to change people.
Weird that we have to guess what's going on. Why can't our state/local governments just tell us? I mean, we get minute by minute tweets of what's happening at a Justin Bieber concert, but a new massive bridge going in? Nope, it's tippy top secret!
Probably because the design process has been controversial. Quietly getting the ball rolling avoids further attention and possible negative publicity/slowdowns.
Quote from: Pete from Boston on June 07, 2013, 09:22:27 PM
possible negative publicity
Oops.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/05/16/residents-upset-by-construction-of-new-tappan-zee-bridge/
Quote from: Pete from Boston on June 06, 2013, 01:08:03 PM
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Why not just call it 95 and see if people change their preference over 40 years?
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Because 95 does not cross the Tappan Zee Bridge, maybe? (It's I-87/I-287.)
I think he was obscurely referencing 128.
Quote from: NE2 on June 07, 2013, 10:54:00 PM
I think he was obscurely referencing 128.
Yes, and the tendency of bureacrats to try to change what works for the public, usually with great annoyance and expense.
Quote from: NE2 on June 07, 2013, 10:54:00 PM
I think he was obscurely referencing 128.
Ah. I don't follow that thread and so didn't get the joke until looking at it after seeing your reply here.
I think everyone in NJ, upstate, and CT will still "cross the Tap" to get between those places regardless of its name. Kinda like the Triboro Bridge.
USAToday article on the Tappan Zee
http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/nation-now/2016/02/25/questions-answers-new-tappan-zee-bridge/80964818/
By the way, that falcon's next on top of the existing Tappan Zee Bridge just goes to show you how adaptable animals are. It reminds me of the eagle's nest I saw on a sign gantry over I-4 in Orlando, and it also goes to show how unadaptable we've become as humans. If endangered birds are content with their habitat above a busy Interstate highway, then NIMBYs clearly lack the adaptation skills to survive as any other kind of animal, since no other animal relies on lawyers to live life the way it wants to.
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By the way, that falcon's next on top of the existing Tappan Zee Bridge just goes to show you how adaptable animals are. It reminds me of the eagle's nest I saw on a sign gantry over I-4 in Orlando, and it also goes to show how unadaptable we've become as humans. If endangered birds are content with their habitat above a busy Interstate highway, then NIMBYs clearly lack the adaptation skills to survive as any other kind of animal, since no other animal relies on lawyers to live life the way it wants to.
Similarly, much was made of the presence of several bald eagles on the Prince George's County, Maryland side of the (old) Woodrow Wilson Bridge (I-95) in the 1990's by persons and groups opposed to rebuilding the crossing (now thankfully complete).
Turned out the eagles were not especially bothered by the construction (the project had at least one wildlife biologist on staff who was responsible for monitoring the well-being of the eagles). The biggest problem might have been a home-wrecking female that muscled-in on a mated pair and badly injured the female half of the couple.
I think the outward slanting towers look kinda weird. If they're not vertical, they should be slanted inward, making more of an A shape, for the appearance of solidity.
May not work functionity-wise though.
Not sure if it was mentioned elsewhere, but the Times had a lengthy article about working at the new bridge site a few months ago: Braving the Elements Atop the New Tappan Zee Bridge (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/nyregion/braving-the-elements-atop-the-new-tappan-zee-bridge.html?_r=0).
The towers of the replacement span are now taller than the existing bridge.
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Nice view from the tracks (if ignoring the iffy sun angle). Metro North or Empire Service?
Quote from: froggie on June 30, 2016, 03:10:04 PM
Nice view from the tracks (if ignoring the iffy sun angle). Metro North or Empire Service?
Metro North, my regular commute. There's been steady progress on the installation of steel as well, the biggest obstacle now being the existing span at the Westchester landing.
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Quote from: empirestate on June 30, 2016, 05:16:42 PM
Metro North, my regular commute. There's been steady progress on the installation of steel as well, the biggest obstacle now being the existing span at the Westchester landing.
I finally saw the construction of the bridge from the Hudson Line, as I was snapping pictures of the stations in southwestern Westchester a few days ago.
Any updates on the new Tappan Zee (NY Bridge) construction? I went to the website and couldn't find new pictures. Maybe someone in here knows what's up.
Quote from: Strider on July 15, 2016, 12:00:29 AM
Any updates on the new Tappan Zee (NY Bridge) construction? I went to the website and couldn't find new pictures. Maybe someone in here knows what's up.
It's ongoing.
Quote from: Strider on July 15, 2016, 12:00:29 AM
Any updates on the new Tappan Zee (NY Bridge) construction? I went to the website and couldn't find new pictures. Maybe someone in here knows what's up.
The towers of the replacement span are now taller than the existing bridge. ;-)
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Quote from: empirestate on July 16, 2016, 09:59:14 AM
Quote from: Strider on July 15, 2016, 12:00:29 AM
Any updates on the new Tappan Zee (NY Bridge) construction? I went to the website and couldn't find new pictures. Maybe someone in here knows what's up.
The towers of the replacement span are now taller than the existing bridge. ;-)
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Awesome! I also watched the video about it. Are they trying to open one span of the new bridge and then move traffic on one of the spans while building the other span to connect with the road, thus closing the original Tappan Zee bridge?
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Quote from: empirestate on July 16, 2016, 09:59:14 AM
Quote from: Strider on July 15, 2016, 12:00:29 AM
Any updates on the new Tappan Zee (NY Bridge) construction? I went to the website and couldn't find new pictures. Maybe someone in here knows what's up.
The towers of the replacement span are now taller than the existing bridge. ;-)
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Awesome! I also watched the video about it. Are they trying to open one span of the new bridge and then move traffic on one of the spans while building the other span to connect with the road, thus closing the original Tappan Zee bridge?
I would assume they'll have to. They won't be able to connect the new south span to the Westchester landing without demolishing part of the existing bridge; I assume the situation's the same in Rockland. I don't know if they'll move all traffic to the north span at first, or keep eastbound traffic on the old bridge with some kind of temporary structure at the landings.
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Quote from: Strider on July 15, 2016, 12:00:29 AM
Any updates on the new Tappan Zee (NY Bridge) construction? I went to the website and couldn't find new pictures. Maybe someone in here knows what's up.
The towers of the replacement span are now taller than the existing bridge. ;-)
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Awesome! I also watched the video about it. Are they trying to open one span of the new bridge and then move traffic on one of the spans while building the other span to connect with the road, thus closing the original Tappan Zee bridge?
I would assume they'll have to. They won't be able to connect the new south span to the Westchester landing without demolishing part of the existing bridge; I assume the situation's the same in Rockland. I don't know if they'll move all traffic to the north span at first, or keep eastbound traffic on the old bridge with some kind of temporary structure at the landings.
Yes. All traffic is being moved to the new bridge. It'll be wide enough for 8 full-sized lanes with no shoulders. Each new bridge will be wider than the current bridge (roughly 96 each vs 90 current). The ped path will be added after the south span is built, so that will be one of the lanes.
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Quote from: Strider on July 15, 2016, 12:00:29 AM
Any updates on the new Tappan Zee (NY Bridge) construction? I went to the website and couldn't find new pictures. Maybe someone in here knows what's up.
The towers of the replacement span are now taller than the existing bridge. ;-)
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Awesome! I also watched the video about it. Are they trying to open one span of the new bridge and then move traffic on one of the spans while building the other span to connect with the road, thus closing the original Tappan Zee bridge?
I would assume they'll have to. They won't be able to connect the new south span to the Westchester landing without demolishing part of the existing bridge; I assume the situation's the same in Rockland. I don't know if they'll move all traffic to the north span at first, or keep eastbound traffic on the old bridge with some kind of temporary structure at the landings.
Yes. All traffic is being moved to the new bridge. It'll be wide enough for 8 full-sized lanes with no shoulders. Each new bridge will be wider than the current bridge (roughly 96 each vs 90 current). The ped path will be added after the south span is built, so that will be one of the lanes.
Cool! I may need to find a time to drive on the original bridge for the last time before they move traffic on a new span, or else I'd be driving on a new span in 2017 when traffic is being moved. I remembered every time I drove on the original bridge, it was ROUGH. Maybe the new span will give me a better and higher view of NYC skyline.
Since no one linked the video:
Amazingly, it's actually relatively on schedule. The light winter certainly helped with that. With how wide each span will be, they'll theoretically be able to fit 6 lanes/direction if needed (without full-width shoulders, of course). One shoulder will be a bus lane during rush hours. Having 4 standard-width lanes in each direction with shoulders should do a lot to reduce traffic in the area. Granted, a mass transit option would have been great, but we can't have everything.
This may set things back a bit:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/19/crane-collapses-on-tappan-zee-bridge-outside-new-york-city.html
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 19, 2016, 12:52:35 PM
This may set things back a bit:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/07/19/crane-collapses-on-tappan-zee-bridge-outside-new-york-city.html
Local source that's likely to be updated regularly: http://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/2016/07/19/crane-collapses-closes-tappan-zee-bridge/87290800/
Well, that's now 4 Hudson River crossings with major issues in the past 36 hours. NY 7 bridge in Troy had a major accident a couple hours ago and yesterday was the Lincoln and GW.
I was under the impression that each span was to be 4 regular lanes, 1 bus/emergency lane, and full width shoulders, not busses running in the shoulders.
Quote from: vdeane on July 19, 2016, 01:12:40 PM
I was under the impression that each span was to be 4 regular lanes, 1 bus/emergency lane, and full width shoulders, not busses running in the shoulders.
All the mockups show 4 lanes plus shoulders, each with lane control signs allowing anything to be used as a lane. The north span, which will have the walking path, will be 96 feet wide. With 4 12' lanes, 12' shoulders and allowing for support structures and railings, that allows for a ~10' walking path. Everything I have seen shows the left shoulder being opened to buses.
So, just to summarize the current extent of delays caused by the closure of the Tappan Zee (from looking at Google Maps):
Bear Mountain Bridge approaches–Palisades jammed at US 6; US 9 backed up all the way through Peekskill and Montrose to about Cortlandt Station; NY 9D stalled through Manitou. Obviously the Goat Trail is completely packed and the Bear Mountain Pkwy. is tight to Highland Ave. Looks like US 202 is also filled up through Crompond, as traffic tries to come off the Taconic Parkway (which is itself looking clear).
GWB approaches–I-95 is backed up to the I-80 split, and the Cross Bronx/New England Thruway is stop-and-go through New Rochelle. I-87 is full from the Triborough to the Cross County, as is most of the Bruckner. FDR Drive is screwed all the way from Brooklyn Bridge, and the West Side Highway is backed up almost to the Lincoln Tunnel, which is likewise no picnic. The BQE going into the Queens-Midtown Tunnel is also a lost cause. Henry Hudson Parkway is out of luck up into Yonkers, and the Bronx River into Mt. Vernon.
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Yeah, I posted a similar thing on the Thruway thread. Thruway SB is backed up to Woodbury. Newburgh-Beacon is now stop and go with an accident WB. Traffic heading to the bridge is backed up through the Exit 17 tolls and east to Danbury in both directions.
Yeah, looks like it's getting worse before it gets better. I-95 is now backed up through to Mamaroneck, as is the Hutch from I-287, along with the Cross County itself. On the other side, the NJ Turnpike is backed up nearly to the Lincoln Tunnel. And now I see there's some kind of closure on the Cross Island Parkway, taking the Throgs Neck Bridge somewhat out of commission?
Only the damaged SB lane will remain closed. Everything else looks to be open now.
Tomorrow will be a mess with only 3 lanes, assuming they do a 3-3 configuration all day.
Quote from: cl94 on July 19, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
Tomorrow will be a mess with only 3 lanes, assuming they do a 3-3 configuration all day.
At least it's summer traffic, so that'll dramatically cut down on the congestion. The worst won't be the 3-3 config...it'll be people slowing down to look at the work going on in the closed lane.
Quote from: kkt on February 26, 2016, 07:08:57 PM
I think the outward slanting towers look kinda weird. If they're not vertical, they should be slanted inward, making more of an A shape, for the appearance of solidity.
But then how would Honda get their free advertising?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 20, 2016, 06:18:34 AM
Quote from: cl94 on July 19, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
Tomorrow will be a mess with only 3 lanes, assuming they do a 3-3 configuration all day.
At least it's summer traffic, so that'll dramatically cut down on the congestion. The worst won't be the 3-3 config...it'll be people slowing down to look at the work going on in the closed lane.
The worst will be the 3-3 config on imbalanced days - Friday outbound and Sunday inbound. At least Friday, they could theoretically go to a 4-2 if desired, though that could back up traffic to Interchange 16. I would have to go back and look at the volumes to see how much trouble people are in.
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Quote from: cl94 on July 19, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
Tomorrow will be a mess with only 3 lanes, assuming they do a 3-3 configuration all day.
At least it's summer traffic, so that'll dramatically cut down on the congestion. The worst won't be the 3-3 config...it'll be people slowing down to look at the work going on in the closed lane.
The worst will be the 3-3 config on imbalanced days - Friday outbound and Sunday inbound. At least Friday, they could theoretically go to a 4-2 if desired, though that could back up traffic to Interchange 16. I would have to go back and look at the volumes to see how much trouble people are in.
At least they have it somewhat-open. My planned route to the New Haven meet involves I-84 and I'd have to change that if the Tappan Zee remained closed.
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Quote from: Alps on July 20, 2016, 09:46:37 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 20, 2016, 06:18:34 AM
Quote from: cl94 on July 19, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
Tomorrow will be a mess with only 3 lanes, assuming they do a 3-3 configuration all day.
At least it's summer traffic, so that'll dramatically cut down on the congestion. The worst won't be the 3-3 config...it'll be people slowing down to look at the work going on in the closed lane.
The worst will be the 3-3 config on imbalanced days - Friday outbound and Sunday inbound. At least Friday, they could theoretically go to a 4-2 if desired, though that could back up traffic to Interchange 16. I would have to go back and look at the volumes to see how much trouble people are in.
At least they have it somewhat-open. My planned route to the New Haven meet involves I-84 and I'd have to change that if the Tappan Zee remained closed.
Even with the Tap closed, I don't think Saturday morning traffic would get to I-84 enough to bother you. Most of the traffic is generated down in Rockland and Westchester.
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Quote from: cl94 on July 19, 2016, 09:16:36 PM
Tomorrow will be a mess with only 3 lanes, assuming they do a 3-3 configuration all day.
At least it's summer traffic, so that'll dramatically cut down on the congestion. The worst won't be the 3-3 config...it'll be people slowing down to look at the work going on in the closed lane.
The worst will be the 3-3 config on imbalanced days - Friday outbound and Sunday inbound. At least Friday, they could theoretically go to a 4-2 if desired, though that could back up traffic to Interchange 16. I would have to go back and look at the volumes to see how much trouble people are in.
At least they have it somewhat-open. My planned route to the New Haven meet involves I-84 and I'd have to change that if the Tappan Zee remained closed.
Even with the Tap closed, I don't think Saturday morning traffic would get to I-84 enough to bother you. Most of the traffic is generated down in Rockland and Westchester.
I'm heading down Friday to clinch I-95 in CT and RI, 8, and 15. Given how traffic was on 84 yesterday, one could expect the same. I'd rather take the Taconic and avoid the tolls on the Mass Pike if I have 8 north of Waterbury.
Plus there is no exit from I-90/Massachusetts Turnpike for MA Route 8...which becomes CT Route 8 eventually.
Any idea how long it'll take before that one lane can be reopened on the TZB?
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on July 21, 2016, 08:17:09 AM
Any idea how long it'll take before that one lane can be reopened on the TZB?
The Thruway Authority says the southbound side will be down to one lane overnight tonight, with all southbound traffic stopped by State Police at exit 10 for approximately 20 minutes at about 9:30PM. Tomorrow morning (5AM is the goal) all three southbound lanes re-open. Some additional work will be necessary in the near future.
http://www.thruway.ny.gov/news/pressrel/2016/07/2016-07-21-tz-lane-closures.html
Though the towers have not yet been topped out, cable-stayed spans are now starting to be hung from them. Steelwork for the approach spans now appears complete, or nearly so, save for what has to wait for removal the old bridge.
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Quote from: empirestate on September 17, 2016, 11:26:02 PM
Though the towers have not yet been topped out, cable-stayed spans are now starting to be hung from them. Steelwork for the approach spans now appears complete, or nearly so, save for what has to wait for removal the old bridge.
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Yeah, the SB span can't be completed until the old bridge is gone. Nice to see that the cables are going up. This thing might actually be open to traffic within the next few months as planned.
You'll have to zoom in to see, but the first pair of towers (westbound on the Westchester side) appears to have been topped out and the temporary work structures (what are they called?) are being dismantled.
I noticed only one span of steel yet to be placed on the upstream span.
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http://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2016/03/21/cashless-tolls-tz-bridge-starts-april-23/82075974/
Cashless tolling coming to the Tappan Zee by April 23rd! :)
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http://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2016/03/21/cashless-tolls-tz-bridge-starts-april-23/82075974/
Cashless tolling coming to the Tappan Zee by April 23rd! :)
Quote"The future will begin on April, 23, 2016," declared Eric Christensen, the Thruway's deputy director of operations at its monthly board meeting in Albany.
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http://www.lohud.com/story/news/politics/politics-on-the-hudson/2016/03/21/cashless-tolls-tz-bridge-starts-april-23/82075974/
Cashless tolling coming to the Tappan Zee by April 23rd! :)
Quote"The future will begin on April, 23, 2016," declared Eric Christensen, the Thruway's deputy director of operations at its monthly board meeting in Albany.
And here I thought this post would be about the closing of the gap in the bridge:
http://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/tappan-zee-bridge/2017/03/30/tappan-zee-bridge-gap-closed/99832182/
Not sure whether the point of kalvado's post is that cashless tolling wasn't implemented last year as stated in the article (was it?) or if he missed that the article he quoted was from over a year ago...
The cashless tolling was implemented last year as planned.
The toll is now, temporarily, collected on the Rockland side of the bridge. Once the new bridge is finished a new gantry will be built on the Westchester side, where the old toll plaza was.
As for the point of kalvado's post, the post he's quoting from Kevin was made Today. Kevin missed that he was posting an article from last year.
Cashless tolling definitely began on the announced date. Toll booths have been gone for months. At this point, the only evidence of a toll plaza is the widened ROW.
Sorry for that, guys! How did I not see that part? I saw the link at a completely different forum without double-checking. :banghead:
Can confirm the cashless tolling and the northernmost new bridge span connection based on travel over it yesterday and today.
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(OK, you can't really see those things in the photos, but if you're interested in the progress as of yesterday, there they are)
And, again–of more up-to-date interest–the gap has been closed. :sombrero:
Side bar question since this thread is talking about the tolls on the bridge:
I just noticed something when comparing my E-ZPass statements (mine is not a NY-issued account). Last December (2016), I was charged $4.75; this past March, I was charged the cash/toll-by-plate rate of $5 despite having the same exact E-ZPass transponder.
Did the NYSTA Authority recently institute transponder discrimination at the Tappan Zee Bridge (& their other locations) or was the higher toll charge a mistake?
Quote from: PHLBOS on April 03, 2017, 09:24:27 AM
Side bar question since this thread is talking about the tolls on the bridge:
I just noticed something when comparing my E-ZPass statements (mine is not a NY-issued account). Last December (2016), I was charged $4.75; this past March, I was charged the cash/toll-by-plate rate of $5 despite having the same exact E-ZPass transponder.
Did the NYSTA Authority recently institute transponder discrimination at the Tappan Zee Bridge (& their other locations) or was the higher toll charge a mistake?
The lower toll was a mistake. NYSTA has had transponder discrimination for years.
The NYSTA stopped the E-Z Pass discount for out of state vehicles this year.
Quote from: cl94 on April 03, 2017, 11:15:13 AMThe lower toll was a mistake. NYSTA has had transponder discrimination for years.
Well then, I have several years of E-ZPass statements containing this...
mistake for my Tappan Zee Bridge crossings. :wow:
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on April 03, 2017, 01:14:03 PM
The NYSTA stopped the E-Z Pass discount for out of state vehicles this year.
I think you meant out-of-state
accounts. Such would explain it.
NYSTA only just started transponder discrimination this year. The MTA, however, has discriminated for a long time now. Where this becomes confusing is because most people don't take the time to note that roads in NY are maintained by over a dozen different agencies, so instead of saying "the MTA crossings engage in transponder discrimination", they'd say "NY engages in transponder discrimination". The toll rates are set by the individual agencies, not the NY service center.
Very few people can keep track of the policies of the various agencies, even most of us road people. Too damn confusing. Even if NYSTA just started, MTA definitely discriminated and I think NYSBA has for a while. Don't think any of the Niagara Falls bridges do. That being said, people in CT have had NY accounts for years because of the MTA discrimination.
Quote from: cl94 on April 03, 2017, 09:35:32 PM
Very few people can keep track of the policies of the various agencies, even most of us road people. Too damn confusing. Even if NYSTA just started, MTA definitely discriminated and I think NYSBA has for a while. Don't think any of the Niagara Falls bridges do. That being said, people in CT have had NY accounts for years because of the MTA discrimination.
What will be interesting is if cashless tolling comes to CT. Assuming the General Assembly creates a tolling authority that issues its own E-Z Pass transponders AND the institute an in-state discount, there will be a lot of in-state motorists with out-of-state tags paying more.
In other news, the gap is closed:
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Will they do a public walk through like they did when the new Q-Bridge opened in CT?
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on April 19, 2017, 03:08:45 PM
Will they do a public walk through like they did when the new Q-Bridge opened in CT?
I doubt it due to length and security concerns
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on April 03, 2017, 10:24:01 PM
Quote from: cl94 on April 03, 2017, 09:35:32 PM
Very few people can keep track of the policies of the various agencies, even most of us road people. Too damn confusing. Even if NYSTA just started, MTA definitely discriminated and I think NYSBA has for a while. Don't think any of the Niagara Falls bridges do. That being said, people in CT have had NY accounts for years because of the MTA discrimination.
What will be interesting is if cashless tolling comes to CT. Assuming the General Assembly creates a tolling authority that issues its own E-Z Pass transponders AND the institute an in-state discount, there will be a lot of in-state motorists with out-of-state tags paying more.
I don't foresee tolls returning to Connecticut any time soon for two reasons: 1) Republicans in the General Assembly are almost unanimous in their opposition to any form of tolling anywhere in the state, and 2) many Democrats oppose the stipulation that money collected from tolls be used solely for maintaining and upgrading Connecticut's highways (IOW they want to be able to raid the cookie jar whenever they feel like it to pay for stuff that should be covered by the state's General Fund).
Apparently, the new bridge will be named after former-Governor Mario Cuomo; the current Governor's late father.
State Senate approves bill to name new Tappan Zee Bridge after former Gov. Mario Cuomo (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-tappan-zee-bridge-named-gov-mario-cuomo-article-1.3267741)
It's worth noting that the original bridge's official name is Governor Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge; the only signs that displayed the full name of the bridge were LGS' at each end. It was named after the former governor in 1994; 20 years after he left office.
Personally, if the new bridge had to named after a former-governor; I would kept the Tappan Zee part & attached it to the former governor's name (i.e. Governor Mario M. Cuomo Tappan Zee Bridge) & signed it similar to how the current bridge was signed. In short, don't go changing all the BGS' and put new LGS' at the ends of the new spans.
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 22, 2017, 09:03:34 AM
Apparently, the new bridge will be named after former-Governor Mario Cuomo; the current Governor's late father.
State Senate approves bill to name new Tappan Zee Bridge after former Gov. Mario Cuomo (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-tappan-zee-bridge-named-gov-mario-cuomo-article-1.3267741)
It's worth noting that the original bridge's official name is Governor Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge; the only signs that displayed the full name of the bridge were LGS' at each end. It was named after the former governor in 1994; 20 years after he left office.
Personally, if the new bridge had to named after a former-governor; I would kept the Tappan Zee part & attached it to the former governor's name (i.e. Governor Mario M. Cuomo Tappan Zee Bridge) & signed it similar to how the current bridge was signed. In short, don't go changing all the BGS' and put new LGS' at the ends of the new spans.
Except for Mr. Cuomo II would
love if the bridge would be known as "Cuomo bridge". Old name "Tappan Zee bridge" is so long, you know....
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 22, 2017, 09:03:34 AM
Apparently, the new bridge will be named after former-Governor Mario Cuomo; the current Governor's late father.
State Senate approves bill to name new Tappan Zee Bridge after former Gov. Mario Cuomo (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-tappan-zee-bridge-named-gov-mario-cuomo-article-1.3267741)
It's worth noting that the original bridge's official name is Governor Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge; the only signs that displayed the full name of the bridge were LGS' at each end. It was named after the former governor in 1994; 20 years after he left office.
Personally, if the new bridge had to named after a former-governor; I would kept the Tappan Zee part & attached it to the former governor's name (i.e. Governor Mario M. Cuomo Tappan Zee Bridge) & signed it similar to how the current bridge was signed. In short, don't go changing all the BGS' and put new LGS' at the ends of the new spans.
No it won't, at least not yet. The bill failed to pass the state Assembly.
Quote from: SidS1045 on June 23, 2017, 09:22:18 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on June 22, 2017, 09:03:34 AM
Apparently, the new bridge will be named after former-Governor Mario Cuomo; the current Governor's late father.
State Senate approves bill to name new Tappan Zee Bridge after former Gov. Mario Cuomo (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-tappan-zee-bridge-named-gov-mario-cuomo-article-1.3267741)
It's worth noting that the original bridge's official name is Governor Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge; the only signs that displayed the full name of the bridge were LGS' at each end. It was named after the former governor in 1994; 20 years after he left office.
Personally, if the new bridge had to named after a former-governor; I would kept the Tappan Zee part & attached it to the former governor's name (i.e. Governor Mario M. Cuomo Tappan Zee Bridge) & signed it similar to how the current bridge was signed. In short, don't go changing all the BGS' and put new LGS' at the ends of the new spans.
No it won't, at least not yet. The bill failed to pass the state Assembly.
It didn't fail, it was a preliminary check for response. Introduced during the last days of the session, it didn't have a chance to go for a vote. Since there was no loud outcry, I would expect it to be incorporated into some must-pass bill the next year
Quote from: kalvado on June 23, 2017, 09:37:15 AMIt didn't fail, it was a preliminary check for response. Introduced during the last days of the session, it didn't have a chance to go for a vote. Since there was no loud outcry, I would expect it to be incorporated into some must-pass bill the next year
A distinction that is indistinguishable in the minds of the public from "didn't pass." The same bill, introduced only a few hours earlier in the Senate, passed easily. The Assembly speaker said his chamber was "not ready to vote" on it without time for discussion.
A similar proposal, to correct a long-standing slight to Italian-Americans by adding a second "z" to the official name of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, trod the same path...passed the Senate and not the Assembly.
Quote from: SidS1045 on June 23, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
Quote from: kalvado on June 23, 2017, 09:37:15 AMIt didn't fail, it was a preliminary check for response. Introduced during the last days of the session, it didn't have a chance to go for a vote. Since there was no loud outcry, I would expect it to be incorporated into some must-pass bill the next year
A distinction that is indistinguishable in the minds of the public from "didn't pass." The same bill, introduced only a few hours earlier in the Senate, passed easily. The Assembly speaker said his chamber was "not ready to vote" on it without time for discussion.
A similar proposal, to correct a long-standing slight to Italian-Americans by adding a second "z" to the official name of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, trod the same path...passed the Senate and not the Assembly.
Precisely. It's a fail and this happens quite often. Heck, the bill outlawing child marriage took how many years to get through?
Granted, I like the proposal to name the bridge after Pete Seeger. From the area and he's the one who spearheaded the movement to clean up the river.
Quote from: SidS1045 on June 23, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
Quote from: kalvado on June 23, 2017, 09:37:15 AMIt didn't fail, it was a preliminary check for response. Introduced during the last days of the session, it didn't have a chance to go for a vote. Since there was no loud outcry, I would expect it to be incorporated into some must-pass bill the next year
A distinction that is indistinguishable in the minds of the public from "didn't pass." The same bill, introduced only a few hours earlier in the Senate, passed easily. The Assembly speaker said his chamber was "not ready to vote" on it without time for discussion.
A similar proposal, to correct a long-standing slight to Italian-Americans by adding a second "z" to the official name of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, trod the same path...passed the Senate and not the Assembly.
Which tells you that the Assembly has common sense and cares about things that actually matter.
Quote from: cl94 on June 23, 2017, 04:36:42 PM
It's a fail and this happens quite often. Heck, the bill outlawing child marriage took how many years to get through?
Not quite. Cuomo is likely to call the legislature back for a special session because of the big issue with NYC mayoral control of schools. If that happens, the assembly could still vote on it.
Quote from: Alps on June 23, 2017, 06:55:00 PM
Which tells you that the Assembly has common sense and cares about things that actually matter.
They're also the ones blocking things like mile-based exit numbers and a three foot law for passing cyclists (the current law is horribly vague and impossible to enforce).
Quote from: vdeane on June 23, 2017, 08:35:43 PM
Quote from: cl94 on June 23, 2017, 04:36:42 PM
It's a fail and this happens quite often. Heck, the bill outlawing child marriage took how many years to get through?
Not quite. Cuomo is likely to call the legislature back for a special session because of the big issue with NYC mayoral control of schools. If that happens, the assembly could still vote on it.
Quote from: Alps on June 23, 2017, 06:55:00 PM
Which tells you that the Assembly has common sense and cares about things that actually matter.
They're also the ones blocking things like mile-based exit numbers and a three foot law for passing cyclists (the current law is horribly vague and impossible to enforce).
While not yet official, looks like Cuomo Bridge is going to happen this week...
So that transponder discrimination is new then? It's really harsh IMHO.. I have two Maryland tags because well I thought I would be moving to Maryland they are my oldest tags having them for 11 years but after I noticed crossing the Whitestone I was paying the same as cash I stopped using the EZpass lane and used the cash.. My replenish rate was bumping up to $200
It's new on the Thruway. It's not new on the MTA crossings. NY has a TON of authorities.
Quote from: vdeane on July 06, 2017, 10:22:55 PM
It's new on the Thruway. It's not new on the MTA crossings. NY has a TON of authorities.
Man it sucks I guess I better start using my NY tag now I would hate to close my Maryland one but I guess I'm going to have to do it now
We now have an opening date–and it's my birthday! :sombrero:
http://www.lohud.com/story/news/transit/2017/07/27/tappan-zee-bridge-cuomo-sets-opening-date/515782001/#&utm_campaign=fbboost
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Quote from: empirestate on July 27, 2017, 01:58:23 PM
We now have an opening date–and it's my birthday! :sombrero:
http://www.lohud.com/story/news/transit/2017/07/27/tappan-zee-bridge-cuomo-sets-opening-date/515782001/#&utm_campaign=fbboost
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Shouldn't we get used to calling it Cuomo bridge?
Quote from: kalvado on July 27, 2017, 02:54:18 PMShouldn't we get used to calling it Cuomo bridge?
Maybe they're either waiting for all the traffic to shift to the new span (the outbound traffic is moving to the new structure first) or they're waiting for both of the twin spans to open for such. There's a lot of signs out there that would need to be changed; many of them being several miles away.
Looks like my first trips on the new span will be on Labor Day weekend when I head up to New England.
I'll probably be on it the day after it opens. Definitely won't miss the old one.
Good lord, they renamed the thing? Ridiculous...
Quote from: SectorZ on July 27, 2017, 05:43:44 PM
Good lord, they renamed the thing? Ridiculous...
Just as ridiculous as renaming the Triboro.
Do people even use the new names, or do they stick to the old ones?
Quote from: Roadsguy on July 27, 2017, 11:53:47 PM
Do people even use the new names, or do they stick to the old ones?
New names are very rarely used in practice anywhere in the state. I mean, every Hudson River crossing from NYC to Albany has an "official" name that is never used as well. I don't need any hands to count the number of times I have heard someone refer to the "Hamilton Fish Bridge".
Traffic reporters on WCBS-AM have referred to the "RFK" or "RFK Triboro" ever since Bobby's name went on it. I imagine they'll use Cuomo's name for the new Tapp.
Between Philadelphia and Camden, what is now the Benjamin Franklin Bridge was called the Delaware River Bridge from its opening in 1926 until its renaming in 1956 to mark Ben's 250th birthday. I wasn't alive for either the renaming or the opening, and I've always known it with Ben's name, so I don't know how long it took for people to take to the new name.
OTOH I was 18 years old in 1979 when the Penrose Ave. Bridge between PHL Airport and the refinery area was renamed the George C. Platt Bridge. That name caught on quickly.
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Quote from: ixnay on July 28, 2017, 06:15:38 AM
Traffic reporters on WCBS-AM have referred to the "RFK" or "RFK Triboro" ever since Bobby's name went on it. I imagine they'll use Cuomo's name for the new Tapp.
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With that one, they've been gradually changing the signage to say RFK only. You'll find only so many signs that say Triboro anymore, and in 5-10 years they'll presumably all be gone.
Quote from: ixnay on July 28, 2017, 06:15:38 AM
Traffic reporters on WCBS-AM have referred to the "RFK" or "RFK Triboro" ever since Bobby's name went on it. I imagine they'll use Cuomo's name for the new Tapp.
Between Philadelphia and Camden, what is now the Benjamin Franklin Bridge was called the Delaware River Bridge from its opening in 1926 until its renaming in 1956 to mark Ben's 250th birthday. I wasn't alive for either the renaming or the opening, and I've always known it with Ben's name, so I don't know how long it took for people to take to the new name.
OTOH I was 18 years old in 1979 when the Penrose Ave. Bridge between PHL Airport and the refinery area was renamed the George C. Platt Bridge. That name caught on quickly.
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The Delaware River Bridge is just too vague these days. In fact, it was changed due to the Walt Whitman Bridge being opened around that time. And that name went to the Turnpike Bridge, also constructed around the same time. Of course no one ever uses that name outside the NJTA and PTC for the same reason.
Quote from: dgolub on July 28, 2017, 07:42:24 AMthey've been gradually changing the signage to say RFK only. You'll find only so many signs that say Triboro anymore, and in 5-10 years they'll presumably all be gone.
Agreed, but I think it's doubtful that will change New Yorkers' habits. For as long as I can remember, the street signs on the Manhattan avenue between Fifth and Seventh have always said "Avenue of the Americas," a name so resolutely rejected by New Yorkers that the city finally caved and posted a second street sign saying "6 AV" below the Avenue of the Americas ones. No doubt "Avenue of the Americas" was confusing tourists and transplants as well, especially if they were to ask a New Yorker for directions.
Of course, if they wanted to, they could keep the old and the new together, as in the officially-named "Ed Koch Queensborough Bridge," although that doesn't tend to change the habits of the real old-timers who still call it the 59th Street Bridge.
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Quote from: dgolub on July 28, 2017, 07:42:24 AMthey've been gradually changing the signage to say RFK only. You'll find only so many signs that say Triboro anymore, and in 5-10 years they'll presumably all be gone.
Agreed, but I think it's doubtful that will change New Yorkers' habits. For as long as I can remember, the street signs on the Manhattan avenue between Fifth and Seventh have always said "Avenue of the Americas," a name so resolutely rejected by New Yorkers that the city finally caved and posted a second street sign saying "6 AV" below the Avenue of the Americas ones. No doubt "Avenue of the Americas" was confusing tourists and transplants as well, especially if they were to ask a New Yorker for directions.
Of course, if they wanted to, they could keep the old and the new together, as in the officially-named "Ed Koch Queensborough Bridge," although that doesn't tend to change the habits of the real old-timers who still call it the 59th Street Bridge.
If only they'd give in and include "Triboro" on the signage again!
Quote from: Roadsguy on July 27, 2017, 11:53:47 PM
Do people even use the new names, or do they stick to the old ones?
Only one I know of that was adopted pretty quick was the Jackie Robinson Parkway.
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Quote from: Roadsguy on July 27, 2017, 11:53:47 PM
Do people even use the new names, or do they stick to the old ones?
Only one I know of that was adopted pretty quick was the Jackie Robinson Parkway.
I know a lot of people who still call it the Interboro, including myself.
Of course, the Willowbrook & Richmond parkways were renamed 20 years ago this year. The signs are still up and no one still calls them by their new names.
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Quote from: ixnay on July 28, 2017, 06:15:38 AM
Traffic reporters on WCBS-AM have referred to the "RFK" or "RFK Triboro" ever since Bobby's name went on it. I imagine they'll use Cuomo's name for the new Tapp.
Between Philadelphia and Camden, what is now the Benjamin Franklin Bridge was called the Delaware River Bridge from its opening in 1926 until its renaming in 1956 to mark Ben's 250th birthday. I wasn't alive for either the renaming or the opening, and I've always known it with Ben's name, so I don't know how long it took for people to take to the new name.
OTOH I was 18 years old in 1979 when the Penrose Ave. Bridge between PHL Airport and the refinery area was renamed the George C. Platt Bridge. That name caught on quickly.
ixnay
The Delaware River Bridge is just too vague these days. In fact, it was changed due to the Walt Whitman Bridge being opened around that time. And that name went to the Turnpike Bridge, also constructed around the same time. Of course no one ever uses that name outside the NJTA and PTC for the same reason.
Traffic reporters on KYW tend to call the Turnpike Bridge the "PA Turnpike - New Jersey Turnpike Connector Bridge" or a variation thereof.
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Quote from: Roadsguy on July 27, 2017, 11:53:47 PM
Do people even use the new names, or do they stick to the old ones?
I forgot where but one of the signs as far as I know is still up still refers the bridge as the Triborough I wish I could remember where but you sure can't miss it
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/24/nyregion/tappan-zee-bridge-opening.html
NYtimes still calling it Tappan Zee.
Renaming the bridge honestly sucks for out of state traffic or people who don't visit the area often. The Tappan Zee is reasonably well known so I can imagine a lot of people being confused when they're driving towards what they think is the Tappan Zee only to see signs for the Cuomo Bridge.
Whenever I drive back up from visiting family from the South, I end up taking the Tappan Zee over the GW and I tell family to do the same. I'll have to make sure that they know that when they see the Mario Cuomo Bridge that it's just the new Tappan Zee.
As an aside, the Tappan Zee was named for the Native Americans who inhabited the area, the Tappan people. It's a shame to see that name go away.
The "Tappan Zee Bridge" has become a control point in its own right. Signage on I-95 in Rye (and two in CT) advertise it on the primary guide signs, and it's on "after-exit" mileage signs on the Thruway.
Maybe it should be called the "Governor Mario Cuomo Tappan Zee Bridge", advertised on the signs on either end of the span. It's no different than the present name "Governor Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge", and it still puts the Cuomo name on the new bridge. Or are they really going to change all the advance signage up to 15 miles away to "Cuomo Bridge"? That'd confuse people, for sure.
Quote from: shadyjay on August 25, 2017, 05:45:40 PM
Maybe it should be called the "Governor Mario Cuomo Tappan Zee Bridge", advertised on the signs on either end of the span. It's no different than the present name "Governor Malcolm Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge", and it still puts the Cuomo name on the new bridge. Or are they really going to change all the advance signage up to 15 miles away to "Cuomo Bridge"? That'd confuse people, for sure.
Unfortunately, that's what they've been doing with the RFK Bridge (I-278), formerly the Triboro Bridge. It's almost ten years since it was renamed and some of the signs still have yet to be replaced, but they have been gradually changing them. It's ridiculous.
Are they shifting all traffic onto the new WB bridge and closing the existing one?
Shifting in stages, yes. WB traffic over the weekend; EB traffic soon. EB bridge opening next year.
WB traffic moves over tonight. For all I know, it may have moved already.
Not quite, but soon.
http://www.thruway.ny.gov/travelers/map/text/twytextcameras.cgi?region=NYI87N
Apparently it opened 6 hours ago...
http://www.thruway.ny.gov/index.shtml
https://twitter.com/NYSThruway
https://twitter.com/NYSThruway/status/901347304334131200/photo/1
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First Cuomo Signs, now a Cuomo Bridge! This (http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2017/08/cuomo_tappan_zee_bridge_replacement.html) article says "Eventually, the Thruway Authority will give away parts of the old bridge's deck and its moveable barrier system." I guess you could get a souvenir if you wanted!
I took a video from my phone while it was mounted on the dashboard today while crossing the new bridge. I'm not a huge video person and I don't have proper in-car recording equipment, so excuse the poor quality.
Quote from: Michael on August 26, 2017, 07:13:26 PM
First Cuomo Signs, now a Cuomo Bridge! This (http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2017/08/cuomo_tappan_zee_bridge_replacement.html) article says "Eventually, the Thruway Authority will give away parts of the old bridge's deck and its moveable barrier system." I guess you could get a souvenir if you wanted!
I want one of the truss members that's at least partially not rusted through.
Quote from: Michael on August 26, 2017, 07:13:26 PM
First Cuomo Signs, now a Cuomo Bridge! This (http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2017/08/cuomo_tappan_zee_bridge_replacement.html) article says "Eventually, the Thruway Authority will give away parts of the old bridge's deck and its moveable barrier system." I guess you could get a souvenir if you wanted!
I read about deck panels being eventually available for maintenance of other bridges. Not as backyard decorations...
Drove the bridge mid-day today and took about a dozen photos (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ajfroggie/albums/72157685542757470). Not as many as I would've liked as I (also) hit a traffic jam across half the bridge. Here's a photo from mid-span:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4419/36658764942_b88a712e84_c_d.jpg) (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ajfroggie/36658764942)
I didn't realize the bridges were built as wide as they are...wide enough to fit 8 narrow lanes just on the westbound span once the eastbound crossovers are complete.
Waze has been showing miserable traffic on that thing all day, a bit weird because WB normally operated with 3 lanes outside of the PM rush. Probably a bunch of people wanting to see the new bridge (like all of us that drove over to see it).
Bridge is wide enough for 6 12-foot lanes and a bike/ped path on the north side (currently the WB right lane). 2 of those lanes will be shoulders in regular operation, with one shoulder being a bus lane during rush hours. I fully expect lane assignments to work like Newburgh-Beacon, where they'll open a shoulder to traffic if a lane is closed so there is no net reduction in lanes.
At night.http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/59a4232e4701e/received_488608168173141.mp4 (http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/59a4232e4701e/received_488608168173141.mp4)
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Apparently the new span is already becoming a magnet for jumpers. Article (http://lewisboro.dailyvoice.com/news/first-would-be-jumper-from-new-tzb-taken-into-custody/720285/#.WaXZ6bCN5NI.facebook)
Quote from: First paragraph of articleA man was saved from jumping off the side of the new Tappan Zee Bridge Tuesday afternoon after state police said they received numerous 911 calls from passing motorists.
Side bar & FYI; from what I've been told, the old bridge will remain open to inbound traffic for about 6 to 8 weeks before its moved to the new outbound span.
^ Doesn't surprise me. There were already "anti-suicide" signs posted on the new bridge when I drove it...presumably because that side of the bridge will eventually become the bike/ped lane.
Quote from: froggie on August 30, 2017, 08:47:41 AM
^ Doesn't surprise me. There were already "anti-suicide" signs posted on the new bridge when I drove it...presumably because that side of the bridge will eventually become the bike/ped lane.
They are generally on the side that will be the bike/ped lane. The right lane heading WB will be bike/ped once the second span opens.
I see that the Tappan Zee Bridge is being named after Governor Cuomo's father. I wonder how that is setting with locals. I am not from NY, but I know that people in the region get accustomed to names that they do not like change and of course using a former politician to name if for that like most politicians have enemies too.
It's not settling well with locals at all. Personally speaking though, more focus should be brought upon the achievement at hand rather than the name. Just my personal opinion. I think everyone should be happy there's a new bridge at all. It could be called the Verizon Wireless Bridge for all I care.. I'm just glad the old one is finally going away.
It seems to be going over with locals about as well as the naming of the old bridge for Malcolm Wilson did: that is, nobody gives a shit because we will just call it the Tappan Zee Bridge.
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 01:16:59 PM
It seems to be going over with locals about as well as the naming of the old bridge for Malcolm Wilson did: that is, nobody gives a shit because we will just call it the Tappan Zee Bridge.
Slight difference this time around. Whereas the
Gov. Malcom Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge signs only exist at the bridge bases/entrances; the new bridge's official name will not only just contain
Gov. Mario Cuomo in it but (here's the kicker)
all signs that currently read Tappan Zee Bridge will ultimately be revised to show the new name. Those sign changes will mean that GPS & mapping systems will call/refer to the new bridge by its given name.
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 31, 2017, 01:23:44 PM
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 01:16:59 PM
It seems to be going over with locals about as well as the naming of the old bridge for Malcolm Wilson did: that is, nobody gives a shit because we will just call it the Tappan Zee Bridge.
Slight difference this time around. Whereas the Gov. Malcom Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge signs only exist at the bridge bases/entrances; the new bridge's official name will not only just contain Gov. Mario Cuomo in it but (here's the kicker) all signs that currently read Tappan Zee Bridge will ultimately be revised to show the new name. Those sign changes will mean that GPS & mapping systems will call/refer to the new bridge by its given name.
Hopefully signs will be abbreviated to just "Cuomo bridge"?
Yeah, that's the big issue. The previous renaming was just prepending Malcolm Wilson's name to the existing Tappan Zee name. This renaming is complete includes the outright deletion of "Tappan Zee" from the name.
Quote from: vdeane on August 31, 2017, 01:45:55 PM
Yeah, that's the big issue. The previous renaming was just prepending Malcolm Wilson's name to the existing Tappan Zee name. This renaming is complete includes the outright deletion of "Tappan Zee" from the name.
I don't know whether the general public is aware of that distinction. But even if, and when, they do become aware of it, I suspect it will still be a situation along the lines of the Triborough Bridge, where the name is used regardless of whether it is actually the name.
(Also see Sean Spicer and his "podium"–ever see him actually stand on that thing?) ;-)
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 31, 2017, 01:45:55 PM
Yeah, that's the big issue. The previous renaming was just prepending Malcolm Wilson's name to the existing Tappan Zee name. This renaming is complete includes the outright deletion of "Tappan Zee" from the name.
I don't know whether the general public is aware of that distinction. But even if, and when, they do become aware of it, I suspect it will still be a situation along the lines of the Triborough Bridge, where the name is used regardless of whether it is actually the name.
(Also see Sean Spicer and his "podium"–ever see him actually stand on that thing?) ;-)
I wouldn't put it past Cuomo II to push media so they use "proper" name....
Quote from: kalvado on August 31, 2017, 03:17:44 PM
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 31, 2017, 01:45:55 PM
Yeah, that's the big issue. The previous renaming was just prepending Malcolm Wilson's name to the existing Tappan Zee name. This renaming is complete includes the outright deletion of "Tappan Zee" from the name.
I don't know whether the general public is aware of that distinction. But even if, and when, they do become aware of it, I suspect it will still be a situation along the lines of the Triborough Bridge, where the name is used regardless of whether it is actually the name.
(Also see Sean Spicer and his "podium"–ever see him actually stand on that thing?) ;-)
I wouldn't put it past Cuomo II to push media so they use "proper" name....
Maybe, but the question was how this is settling with the locals, and I don't think the locals are thinking ahead to that. Right now, the feeling among locals–i.e., me–is that we'll just call it the Tappan Zee Bridge, so it doesn't matter what politician's name is appended to it. (And the fact that it might replace the name rather than be appended to it isn't being considered in forming that opinion.)
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 31, 2017, 01:23:44 PM
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 01:16:59 PM
It seems to be going over with locals about as well as the naming of the old bridge for Malcolm Wilson did: that is, nobody gives a shit because we will just call it the Tappan Zee Bridge.
Slight difference this time around. Whereas the Gov. Malcom Wilson Tappan Zee Bridge signs only exist at the bridge bases/entrances; the new bridge's official name will not only just contain Gov. Mario Cuomo in it but (here's the kicker) all signs that currently read Tappan Zee Bridge will ultimately be revised to show the new name. Those sign changes will mean that GPS & mapping systems will call/refer to the new bridge by its given name.
If you are blindly using a GPS does it matter? It will say "Take the exit toward I-87 / I-287 Cuomo Bridge". My GPS often omits directional indicators for some roads, but even so, you look up at the signs, find the one that matches what the GPS said, and take the exit. Or you don't even do that, you just exit when it says "exit now". If you're just using your app to look up directions ahead of time, all you'll see is "I-87/287", which is really all you need.
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 31, 2017, 03:17:44 PM
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 31, 2017, 01:45:55 PM
Yeah, that's the big issue. The previous renaming was just prepending Malcolm Wilson's name to the existing Tappan Zee name. This renaming is complete includes the outright deletion of "Tappan Zee" from the name.
I don't know whether the general public is aware of that distinction. But even if, and when, they do become aware of it, I suspect it will still be a situation along the lines of the Triborough Bridge, where the name is used regardless of whether it is actually the name.
(Also see Sean Spicer and his "podium"–ever see him actually stand on that thing?) ;-)
I wouldn't put it past Cuomo II to push media so they use "proper" name....
Maybe, but the question was how this is settling with the locals, and I don't think the locals are thinking ahead to that. Right now, the feeling among locals–i.e., me–is that we'll just call it the Tappan Zee Bridge, so it doesn't matter what politician's name is appended to it. (And the fact that it might replace the name rather than be appended to it isn't being considered in forming that opinion.)
You can call it whatever you want - but when people around you no longer understand what you mean, signs call it Cuomo bridge, your EZpass statement contains "CBR - Gov Cuomo Br" line... And I suspect this is going to happen within a few years at most. "Pepsi Arena" still rings the bell - but when was last time you actually heard that?
Quote from: kalvado on August 31, 2017, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 31, 2017, 03:17:44 PM
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 31, 2017, 01:45:55 PM
Yeah, that's the big issue. The previous renaming was just prepending Malcolm Wilson's name to the existing Tappan Zee name. This renaming is complete includes the outright deletion of "Tappan Zee" from the name.
I don't know whether the general public is aware of that distinction. But even if, and when, they do become aware of it, I suspect it will still be a situation along the lines of the Triborough Bridge, where the name is used regardless of whether it is actually the name.
(Also see Sean Spicer and his "podium"–ever see him actually stand on that thing?) ;-)
I wouldn't put it past Cuomo II to push media so they use "proper" name....
Maybe, but the question was how this is settling with the locals, and I don't think the locals are thinking ahead to that. Right now, the feeling among locals–i.e., me–is that we'll just call it the Tappan Zee Bridge, so it doesn't matter what politician's name is appended to it. (And the fact that it might replace the name rather than be appended to it isn't being considered in forming that opinion.)
You can call it whatever you want - but when people around you no longer understand what you mean, signs call it Cuomo bridge, your EZpass statement contains "CBR - Gov Cuomo Br" line... And I suspect this is going to happen within a few years at most. "Pepsi Arena" still rings the bell - but when was last time you actually heard that?
But that's in the future. Us locals deciding how it sits with us is based on the present. In other words, we don't care right now whether the bridge is renamed, because we (in the present) have no intention of using that name. If, in the future, the Cuomo name has become commonplace, then the answer to "how is it sitting with the locals" may change. Make sense?
I drove through the Tappan Zee two weeks before the new bridge was opened, and I checked my EZPass statement out of curiosity before the new bridge opened, and it had already posted a day after I traveled as the Cuomo bridge.
Quote"Pepsi Arena" still rings the bell - but when was last time you actually heard that?
It's still the Knick to me.
Quote from: kefkafloyd on August 31, 2017, 11:23:00 PM
I drove through the Tappan Zee two weeks before the new bridge was opened, and I checked my EZPass statement out of curiosity before the new bridge opened, and it had already posted a day after I traveled as the Cuomo bridge.
That's weird, especially since tolls are only charged for inbound travel that's still using the old bridge. Inbound traffic won't be shifting over to the new outbound span for another 6-8 weeks.
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 07:42:59 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 31, 2017, 03:44:10 PM
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: kalvado on August 31, 2017, 03:17:44 PM
Quote from: empirestate on August 31, 2017, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: vdeane on August 31, 2017, 01:45:55 PM
Yeah, that's the big issue. The previous renaming was just prepending Malcolm Wilson's name to the existing Tappan Zee name. This renaming is complete includes the outright deletion of "Tappan Zee" from the name.
I don't know whether the general public is aware of that distinction. But even if, and when, they do become aware of it, I suspect it will still be a situation along the lines of the Triborough Bridge, where the name is used regardless of whether it is actually the name.
(Also see Sean Spicer and his "podium"–ever see him actually stand on that thing?) ;-)
I wouldn't put it past Cuomo II to push media so they use "proper" name....
Maybe, but the question was how this is settling with the locals, and I don't think the locals are thinking ahead to that. Right now, the feeling among locals–i.e., me–is that we'll just call it the Tappan Zee Bridge, so it doesn't matter what politician's name is appended to it. (And the fact that it might replace the name rather than be appended to it isn't being considered in forming that opinion.)
You can call it whatever you want - but when people around you no longer understand what you mean, signs call it Cuomo bridge, your EZpass statement contains "CBR - Gov Cuomo Br" line... And I suspect this is going to happen within a few years at most. "Pepsi Arena" still rings the bell - but when was last time you actually heard that?
But that's in the future. Us locals deciding how it sits with us is based on the present. In other words, we don't care right now whether the bridge is renamed, because we (in the present) have no intention of using that name. If, in the future, the Cuomo name has become commonplace, then the answer to "how is it sitting with the locals" may change. Make sense?
And sometimes people never adjust to the "new" name.
See: Boston and I-95/Rt. 128.
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 01, 2017, 09:14:58 AM
Quote from: kefkafloyd on August 31, 2017, 11:23:00 PM
I drove through the Tappan Zee two weeks before the new bridge was opened, and I checked my EZPass statement out of curiosity before the new bridge opened, and it had already posted a day after I traveled as the Cuomo bridge.
That's weird, especially since tolls are only charged for inbound travel that's still using the old bridge. Inbound traffic won't be shifting over to the new outbound span for another 6-8 weeks.
You don't sound proficient in kissing asses...
You have people in the Tampa Area who still call the Amela Arena as the Ice Palace which is two or three names ago.
I am sure many call the PNC Bank Arts Center in NJ are probably still calling it the Garden State Arts Center.
You can't change people like in MA with I-95 now replacing MA 128 and locals refusing to go along with the change.
Quote from: kalvado on September 01, 2017, 10:31:26 AM
Was that comment
really necessary? Yes, I'm aware of the
kiss-up/suck-up factor thank you very much but the NYSTA could have at least waited until the toll-paying inbound traffic starts to use the new span. The (old) Tappan Zee Bridge
still is open to (inbound) traffic.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 01, 2017, 01:00:00 PMYou can't change people like in MA with I-95 now replacing MA 128 and locals refusing to go along with the change.
In that particular case, I-95 has been on
most of 128 for 42 years; but the state really didn't start to
consistently emphasizing nor phase out the 128 shields on the guidance signs until the early 90s (per Federal mandate)... several years
after the Peabody I-95/MA 128 interchange was completed.
Personal take: had Gov. Andrew Cuomo chose to name the new bridge after a non-political figure (he could have named it after NY Yankees player Mickey Mantle); I don't think there would be as much outrage nor discontent about it.
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 01, 2017, 02:49:13 PM
Quote from: kalvado on September 01, 2017, 10:31:26 AM
Was that comment really necessary? Yes, I'm aware of the kiss-up/suck-up factor thank you very much but the NYSTA could have at least waited until the toll-paying inbound traffic starts to use the new span. The (old) Tappan Zee Bridge still is open to (inbound) traffic.
I am sorry I am deviating into politics here, but this has to do with management practices of our dear governor Cuomo II.
Andrew Cuomo is a boy from a good family: farther- Cuomo I - former governor of NYS; Andrew was married to RFK's daughter - and seems to be a member of the clan even after divorce. As such, Andrew Cuomo seems to have hard time understanding word "no". Given his presidential ambitions, it may be more than a local issue. I don't know what was the role of then-AG in renaming RFK bridge, though, so having Cuomo bridge and RFK bridge not far from Washington bridge and Lincoln tunnel may be just a coincidence
There were more than a few situations when he pushed for things no matter what, and let unwashed masses deal with that later. "Cuomo highway signs" being another example of Thruway - and highway - related "no matter what", looks like FHWA gave up on enforcing federal regulations in NYS.
With that, I see "Cuomo bridge" naming - and actively using new name - as yet another way to keep reminding people about the great deeds of our dear leader. And that is why I expect any memory of Tappan Zee to be carefully suppressed by PR people. Using new name right away is just a logical step - a small step towards White House. And if you think Trump is the worst thing which can happen in White House - think again..
Quote from: kalvado on September 01, 2017, 03:51:47 PMI am sorry I am deviating into politics here, but this has to do with management practices of our dear governor Cuomo II.
Andrew Cuomo is a boy from a good family: farther- Cuomo I - former governor of NYS; Andrew was married to RFK's daughter - and seems to be a member of the clan even after divorce. As such, Andrew Cuomo seems to have hard time understanding word "no". Given his presidential ambitions, it may be more than a local issue. I don't know what was the role of then-AG in renaming RFK bridge, though, so having Cuomo bridge and RFK bridge not far from Washington bridge and Lincoln tunnel may be just a coincidence
There were more than a few situations when he pushed for things no matter what, and let unwashed masses deal with that later. "Cuomo highway signs" being another example of Thruway - and highway - related "no matter what", looks like FHWA gave up on enforcing federal regulations in NYS.
With that, I see "Cuomo bridge" naming - and actively using new name - as yet another way to keep reminding people about the great deeds of our dear leader. And that is why I expect any memory of Tappan Zee to be carefully suppressed by PR people. Using new name right away is just a logical step - a small step towards White House. And if you think Trump is the worst thing which can happen in White House - think again..
One thing to keep in mind here; there
is an election next year for NY's governor's seat. The best way the public can express their displeasure of Gov. Andrew Cuomo (naming the bridge after his late-father isn't the only issue here) is vote him out of office next year. Such happened w/his father back in 1994. Such a defeat
could derail Gov. Andrew Cuomo's future political ambitions (at least for seeking another elected office).
Let's avoid unnecessary politics, shall we?
Infrastructure (bridges, highways, airports, etc.) should be given geographical related names only.
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on September 01, 2017, 05:53:06 PM
Infrastructure (bridges, highways, airports, etc.) should be given geographical related names only.
This reminds me of a science fiction story I read years ago where EVERY public facility was named after a politician. Of course, this was a dystopic sci-fi story...
We live in an age where tradition is gone and disposable is in. What I mean is take a look at sports, where ball parks and stadiums were part of not only nostalgia but part of the team spirit! Now all the teams are building new stadiums and arenas and selling out naming rights. Some like the Amway Arena in Orlando did not even last 25 years old before it was replaced with the latest Amway Centre.
The same goes for road signs as well as we had road signs from the early 40's and many from the 50'w and 60's that lasted for years after and then we have signs erected this century that have been replaced already.
We live in a new era where tradition is out and it is normal to replace. Our new way of thinking is that we name things after businesses and current politicians or whatever. This bridge is no difference in that aspect.
In this day and age decisions like bridge naming should be done online democratically. Or at least as nimbly as the way the GWB was named (by school children). After I heard it was named after a recent politician my first thought was "I'll look the guy up later but I'm sure he was an asshole". Weather or not that's the case I think people tend to have a similar gut reaction when something they refer to commonly is renamed after someone they dont idolize or know.
SM-G955U
It is as this constant renaming like with the Ice Palace being renamed first as the St. Pete Times Forum and now the Amalie Arena that makes it hard for some as everyday you wonder what name to use in identifying wondering if the one you are speaking with knows of the change. I think that is more the problem I find in many cases. Also when you name it after a politician it gets more flaming as always a political figure is always hated by some. In fact politics always brings controversy that is why its banned on this forum.
Although we are talking about non road geek reactions here not our own but discussion of politics anyplace with anyone is all the same.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 02, 2017, 11:03:24 AM
It is as this constant renaming like with the Ice Palace being renamed first as the St. Pete Times Forum and now the Amalie Arena that makes it hard for some as everyday you wonder what name to use in identifying wondering if the one you are speaking with knows of the change. I think that is more the problem I find in many cases. Also when you name it after a politician it gets more flaming as always a political figure is always hated by some. In fact politics always brings controversy that is why its banned on this forum.
Although we are talking about non road geek reactions here not our own but discussion of politics anyplace with anyone is all the same.
FOr me, it is not even about renaming things - in this specific case things were forced through by someone, who should be recusing from the case due to conflict of interests. Or a bigger question is if we still expect democracy to work - or that is just a constitutional artifact inhibiting normal government operation.
I know what you mean there as in NJ we had Brendan Byrne a governor then who named the IZOD Center after him when it was completed in the early 80's. That there was the biggest conflict of interest there as Byrne did not even name it for a family member but himself. Many people in NJ were pissed at that one as that should have not at all be allowed as that was like Obama or Bush renaming Washington, DC as Obmama, DC or Bush, DC.
I am not from NY and I do not know what Cuomo does or does not do, and how much he was a part of this (although its a big coincidence that the bridge is named after a family member of his) so I can't air my feelings on it, but personally I have no quarrel with the name even though I was no fan of Mario, but like you said it should not be made by a kin folk. I do have a quarrel with the Triborough being named after RFK only because it was decades after he died and the fact Kennedy is from Massachusetts and not New York. Ed Koch is okay as he was famous in NYC and Hugh Carey should have been named for the 9/11 victims instead as that crossing bearing his name was right at ground zero. There are plenty of places that could be named for Carey who was a governor of New York and should deserve something.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 02, 2017, 06:57:39 PM
I know what you mean there as in NJ we had Brendan Byrne a governor then who named the IZOD Center after him when it was completed in the early 80's. That there was the biggest conflict of interest there as Byrne did not even name it for a family member but himself. Many people in NJ were pissed at that one as that should have not at all be allowed as that was like Obama or Bush renaming Washington, DC as Obmama, DC or Bush, DC.
Funny enough, my dad always kept referring to it as "Brendan Byrne Arena" even after it started going through corporate renamings. To him, that was what he would always know it as and he refused to acknowledge the naming rights deals.
I suppose as a matter of perspective the Mario Cuomo Bridge is a far less objectionable name than the Monster Energy Drink Bridge or something of that nature.
Quote from: kalvado on September 02, 2017, 11:30:46 AM
FOr me, it is not even about renaming things - in this specific case things were forced through by someone, who should be recusing from the case due to conflict of interests.
The fact that the honored individual is the father of the current governor does certainly contribute to the bad taste in people's mouths over this. It reeks of nepotism, and lots of people as a matter of politics have currently active negative associations with the name "Cuomo" in any context.
But it is definitely also the case that, like with I-95 versus "128", people have an emotional attachment to the name "Tappan Zee Bridge" and don't like the idea of any other at all name being used. And while some apologists for the new name may point out that it's an entirely new bridge and therefore not technically a "re-naming", the fact remains that the new bridge is stepping directly into the shoes of a previously existing one and therefore it's totally natural to want to carry the existing identity over. This phenomenon has been previously observed with people insisting on referring to CitiField (also an entirely new structure) as "Shea Stadium", the name of its direct predecessor.
Quote from: Duke87 on September 03, 2017, 12:24:16 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 02, 2017, 06:57:39 PM
I know what you mean there as in NJ we had Brendan Byrne a governor then who named the IZOD Center after him when it was completed in the early 80's. That there was the biggest conflict of interest there as Byrne did not even name it for a family member but himself. Many people in NJ were pissed at that one as that should have not at all be allowed as that was like Obama or Bush renaming Washington, DC as Obmama, DC or Bush, DC.
Funny enough, my dad always kept referring to it as "Brendan Byrne Arena" even after it started going through corporate renamings. To him, that was what he would always know it as and he refused to acknowledge the naming rights deals.
I suppose as a matter of perspective the Mario Cuomo Bridge is a far less objectionable name than the Monster Energy Drink Bridge or something of that nature.
Quote from: kalvado on September 02, 2017, 11:30:46 AM
FOr me, it is not even about renaming things - in this specific case things were forced through by someone, who should be recusing from the case due to conflict of interests.
The fact that the honored individual is the father of the current governor does certainly contribute to the bad taste in people's mouths over this. It reeks of nepotism, and lots of people as a matter of politics have currently active negative associations with the name "Cuomo" in any context.
But it is definitely also the case that, like with I-95 versus "128", people have an emotional attachment to the name "Tappan Zee Bridge" and don't like the idea of any other at all name being used. And while some apologists for the new name may point out that it's an entirely new bridge and therefore not technically a "re-naming", the fact remains that the new bridge is stepping directly into the shoes of a previously existing one and therefore it's totally natural to want to carry the existing identity over. This phenomenon has been previously observed with people insisting on referring to CitiField (also an entirely new structure) as "Shea Stadium", the name of its direct predecessor.
It will always be the Tappan Zee Bridge because it will always be the bridge that crosses the Tappan Zee.
Quote from: Alps on September 03, 2017, 12:47:14 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on September 03, 2017, 12:24:16 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 02, 2017, 06:57:39 PM
I know what you mean there as in NJ we had Brendan Byrne a governor then who named the IZOD Center after him when it was completed in the early 80's. That there was the biggest conflict of interest there as Byrne did not even name it for a family member but himself. Many people in NJ were pissed at that one as that should have not at all be allowed as that was like Obama or Bush renaming Washington, DC as Obmama, DC or Bush, DC.
Funny enough, my dad always kept referring to it as "Brendan Byrne Arena" even after it started going through corporate renamings. To him, that was what he would always know it as and he refused to acknowledge the naming rights deals.
I suppose as a matter of perspective the Mario Cuomo Bridge is a far less objectionable name than the Monster Energy Drink Bridge or something of that nature.
Quote from: kalvado on September 02, 2017, 11:30:46 AM
FOr me, it is not even about renaming things - in this specific case things were forced through by someone, who should be recusing from the case due to conflict of interests.
The fact that the honored individual is the father of the current governor does certainly contribute to the bad taste in people's mouths over this. It reeks of nepotism, and lots of people as a matter of politics have currently active negative associations with the name "Cuomo" in any context.
But it is definitely also the case that, like with I-95 versus "128", people have an emotional attachment to the name "Tappan Zee Bridge" and don't like the idea of any other at all name being used. And while some apologists for the new name may point out that it's an entirely new bridge and therefore not technically a "re-naming", the fact remains that the new bridge is stepping directly into the shoes of a previously existing one and therefore it's totally natural to want to carry the existing identity over. This phenomenon has been previously observed with people insisting on referring to CitiField (also an entirely new structure) as "Shea Stadium", the name of its direct predecessor.
It will always be the Tappan Zee Bridge because it will always be the bridge that crosses the Tappan Zee.
And of course LaGuardia will always be known as such, not to mention Penn station! But honestly it would be nice to have sound choices for travel to NYC: plane to Cuomo airport instead of that old dirty LGA, taking train to beautiful Cuomo station, or driving across nice Cuomo bridge...
Cynical, but not 100% unrealistic.
Quote from: kalvado on September 03, 2017, 08:05:05 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 03, 2017, 12:47:14 AM
Quote from: Duke87 on September 03, 2017, 12:24:16 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 02, 2017, 06:57:39 PM
I know what you mean there as in NJ we had Brendan Byrne a governor then who named the IZOD Center after him when it was completed in the early 80's. That there was the biggest conflict of interest there as Byrne did not even name it for a family member but himself. Many people in NJ were pissed at that one as that should have not at all be allowed as that was like Obama or Bush renaming Washington, DC as Obmama, DC or Bush, DC.
Funny enough, my dad always kept referring to it as "Brendan Byrne Arena" even after it started going through corporate renamings. To him, that was what he would always know it as and he refused to acknowledge the naming rights deals.
I suppose as a matter of perspective the Mario Cuomo Bridge is a far less objectionable name than the Monster Energy Drink Bridge or something of that nature.
Quote from: kalvado on September 02, 2017, 11:30:46 AM
FOr me, it is not even about renaming things - in this specific case things were forced through by someone, who should be recusing from the case due to conflict of interests.
The fact that the honored individual is the father of the current governor does certainly contribute to the bad taste in people's mouths over this. It reeks of nepotism, and lots of people as a matter of politics have currently active negative associations with the name "Cuomo" in any context.
But it is definitely also the case that, like with I-95 versus "128", people have an emotional attachment to the name "Tappan Zee Bridge" and don't like the idea of any other at all name being used. And while some apologists for the new name may point out that it's an entirely new bridge and therefore not technically a "re-naming", the fact remains that the new bridge is stepping directly into the shoes of a previously existing one and therefore it's totally natural to want to carry the existing identity over. This phenomenon has been previously observed with people insisting on referring to CitiField (also an entirely new structure) as "Shea Stadium", the name of its direct predecessor.
It will always be the Tappan Zee Bridge because it will always be the bridge that crosses the Tappan Zee.
And of course LaGuardia will always be known as such, not to mention Penn station! But honestly it would be nice to have sound choices for travel to NYC: plane to Cuomo airport instead of that old dirty LGA, taking train to beautiful Cuomo station, or driving across nice Cuomo bridge...
Cynical, but not 100% unrealistic.
More likely Trump, and not even for the politics, just the money. (Remember, he has two NY state parks named after him, and being President hasn't changed that.)
Quote from: Alps on September 03, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
Quote from: kalvado on September 03, 2017, 08:05:05 AM
And of course LaGuardia will always be known as such, not to mention Penn station! But honestly it would be nice to have sound choices for travel to NYC: plane to Cuomo airport instead of that old dirty LGA, taking train to beautiful Cuomo station, or driving across nice Cuomo bridge...
Cynical, but not 100% unrealistic.
More likely Trump, and not even for the politics, just the money. (Remember, he has two NY state parks named after him, and being President hasn't changed that.)
Thing is, Cuomo pushed for serious renovation of LGA and what amounts to a new Penn station. So, unlike Trump, he has some bragging rights for those, as well as for new Tappan Zee. I am still not sure if there are enough money in NYS to pay for those; but his role in infrastructure projects cannot be denied.
If Trump makes his list of megaprojects to actually work, he will have similar rights for those.. But having no father-president who happen to share the last name makes things a bit more difficult for Trump...
Quote from: kalvado on September 03, 2017, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 03, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
Quote from: kalvado on September 03, 2017, 08:05:05 AM
And of course LaGuardia will always be known as such, not to mention Penn station! But honestly it would be nice to have sound choices for travel to NYC: plane to Cuomo airport instead of that old dirty LGA, taking train to beautiful Cuomo station, or driving across nice Cuomo bridge...
Cynical, but not 100% unrealistic.
More likely Trump, and not even for the politics, just the money. (Remember, he has two NY state parks named after him, and being President hasn't changed that.)
Thing is, Cuomo pushed for serious renovation of LGA and what amounts to a new Penn station. So, unlike Trump, he has some bragging rights for those, as well as for new Tappan Zee. I am still not sure if there are enough money in NYS to pay for those; but his role in infrastructure projects cannot be denied.
If Trump makes his list of megaprojects to actually work, he will have similar rights for those.. But having no father-president who happen to share the last name makes things a bit more difficult for Trump...
But Trump Jr. does! In seriousness, LaGuardia is already named for a politician, so who cares if it gets named for another? I think we should start accepting that things are heading in this direction in general. Buildings, sports arenas, bridges, nothing is going to be sacred. Cherish the ones that remain, while they do.
Quote from: Alps on September 03, 2017, 03:02:12 PM
Quote from: kalvado on September 03, 2017, 01:09:29 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 03, 2017, 12:42:03 PM
Quote from: kalvado on September 03, 2017, 08:05:05 AM
And of course LaGuardia will always be known as such, not to mention Penn station! But honestly it would be nice to have sound choices for travel to NYC: plane to Cuomo airport instead of that old dirty LGA, taking train to beautiful Cuomo station, or driving across nice Cuomo bridge...
Cynical, but not 100% unrealistic.
More likely Trump, and not even for the politics, just the money. (Remember, he has two NY state parks named after him, and being President hasn't changed that.)
Thing is, Cuomo pushed for serious renovation of LGA and what amounts to a new Penn station. So, unlike Trump, he has some bragging rights for those, as well as for new Tappan Zee. I am still not sure if there are enough money in NYS to pay for those; but his role in infrastructure projects cannot be denied.
If Trump makes his list of megaprojects to actually work, he will have similar rights for those.. But having no father-president who happen to share the last name makes things a bit more difficult for Trump...
But Trump Jr. does! In seriousness, LaGuardia is already named for a politician, so who cares if it gets named for another? I think we should start accepting that things are heading in this direction in general. Buildings, sports arenas, bridges, nothing is going to be sacred. Cherish the ones that remain, while they do.
And personally I am OK with that. Some people say that you need to name things only after the person is retired; some prefer to say that being dead - and even better dead for 10 year - should be naming requirement to avoid massive renamings after yet another scandal.
Specific problem of Tappan Zee is being shamelessly used to promote personal agenda using "my father's name" excuse, with honorable mention going to new nobility class with Bush, Clinton, Cuomo and (a bit north, but to show the trend) Turdeau being just top of the iceberg.
Probably a classic road-related example of why some people advocate waiting until a person has died is Pete Rose Way in Cincinnati.
Quote from: Alps on September 01, 2017, 04:55:39 PM
Let's avoid unnecessary politics, shall we?
Given that it was politics involved behind the naming the new bridge in the first place;
merely mentioning a possible antidote/election year scenario on the matter is 100% fair game.
It could have been worse; a bank could gotten naming rights for the bridge and the name of the bridge would change at every merger. See Philly's Core-States/First Union/Wachovia/Wells Fargo Center as an example of 3 merger-related name changes in just a 20-year period.
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 05, 2017, 12:29:30 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 01, 2017, 04:55:39 PM
Let's avoid unnecessary politics, shall we?
Given that it was politics involved behind the naming the new bridge in the first place; merely mentioning a possible antidote/election year scenario on the matter is 100% fair game.
It could have been worse; a bank could gotten naming rights for the bridge and the name of the bridge would change at every merger. See Philly's Core-States/First Union/Wachovia/Wells Fargo Center as an example of 3 merger-related name changes in just a 20-year period.
BTW, is there any similar examples for roads?
I believe Ted Stevens had some associated naming issues, but I don't remember any road naming rights being sold yet...
Quote from: kalvado on September 05, 2017, 12:42:46 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 05, 2017, 12:29:30 PMIt could have been worse; a bank could gotten naming rights for the bridge and the name of the bridge would change at every merger. See Philly's Core-States/First Union/Wachovia/Wells Fargo Center as an example of 3 merger-related name changes in just a 20-year period.
BTW, is there any similar examples for roads?
I believe Ted Stevens had some associated naming issues, but I don't remember any road naming rights being sold yet...
Not that I'm aware of.
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 05, 2017, 12:29:30 PM
Quote from: Alps on September 01, 2017, 04:55:39 PM
Let's avoid unnecessary politics, shall we?
Given that it was politics involved behind the naming the new bridge in the first place; merely mentioning a possible antidote/election year scenario on the matter is 100% fair game.
It could have been worse; a bank could gotten naming rights for the bridge and the name of the bridge would change at every merger. See Philly's Core-States/First Union/Wachovia/Wells Fargo Center as an example of 3 merger-related name changes in just a 20-year period.
If only they just named it "Spectrum 2" which was how it was referred to while being built. Then the bank name would just be a prefix as with the original Spectrum.
Quote from: bzakharin on September 05, 2017, 04:01:24 PMIf only they just named it "Spectrum 2" which was how it was referred to while being built.
I know, I actually worked on the site-development plans for that project.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 02, 2017, 06:57:39 PMI do have a quarrel with the Triborough being named after RFK only because it was decades after he died and the fact Kennedy is from Massachusetts and not New York.
RFK never represented Massachusetts in any elective office. He was the junior US senator from New York when he was assassinated. (New York has some of the least restrictive residency requirements for public officials.)
Here in Jacksonville FL there are 2 bridges named for politcians that are never called by their official names.
295 east beltway over St Johns River is officially the Napoleon Bonaparte Broward Bridge.. Its known as Dames Point Bridge ( his was from the area and drained a lot of th Everglades as governor... Broward County was named for him)
US1/90 over the St Johns River is named the John T Alsop Bridge... Its called Main St Bridge even on BGS.
It will probably always be known as the Tappan Zee Bridge by most everyone
LGMS428
Quote from: jwolfer on September 10, 2017, 04:17:37 PMHere in Jacksonville FL there are 2 bridges named for politcians that are never called by their official names.
295 east beltway over St Johns River is officially the Napoleon Bonaparte Broward Bridge.. Its known as Dames Point Bridge ( his was from the area and drained a lot of th Everglades as governor... Broward County was named for him)
US1/90 over the St Johns River is named the John T Alsop Bridge... Its called Main St Bridge even on BGS.
It will probably always be known as the Tappan Zee Bridge by most everyone
I believe the plan is to revise
all the signs directing motorists to the new bridge to show its new name. Which will, in turn, lead to navigation software/GPS systems to eventually refer to the bridge by what it's signed as.
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 11, 2017, 08:47:21 AM
It will probably always be known as the Tappan Zee Bridge by most everyone.
I believe the plan is to revise all the signs directing motorists to the new bridge to show its new name. Which will, in turn, lead to navigation software/GPS systems to eventually refer to the bridge by what it's signed as.
So we'll have GPSes stating "Take Interstate two-eighty-seven/Interstate eighty-seven towards Tappan Zee Bridge/Mario Cuomo Junior Bridge towards Suffern."
No naming public facilities after people who haven't been dead for at least 10 years.
And renaming them should require a favorable vote of the people.
Quote from: kkt on September 11, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
No naming public facilities after people who haven't been dead for at least 10 years.
And renaming them should require a favorable vote of the people.
Popularly or electorally?
Quote from: empirestate on September 11, 2017, 07:01:05 PM
Quote from: kkt on September 11, 2017, 04:40:04 PM
No naming public facilities after people who haven't been dead for at least 10 years.
And renaming them should require a favorable vote of the people.
Popularly or electorally?
I assume approval was received by virtue of electing those officials to the respective office? </sarcasm>
Quote from: roadman on September 11, 2017, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 11, 2017, 08:47:21 AM
It will probably always be known as the Tappan Zee Bridge by most everyone.
I believe the plan is to revise all the signs directing motorists to the new bridge to show its new name. Which will, in turn, lead to navigation software/GPS systems to eventually refer to the bridge by what it's signed as.
So we'll have GPSes stating "Take Interstate two-eighty-seven/Interstate eighty-seven towards Tappan Zee Bridge/Mario Cuomo Junior Bridge towards Suffern."
Whatever it takes - as of right now, Google maps, Bing maps and Yahoo maps do not use bridge name as part of directions (I used Albany NY to Tarrytown train station). For them it is I-87/I287. Waze still calls it Tappan Zee.
Here's a new timelapse video showing the past 4 years of construction:
Quote from: kalvado on September 12, 2017, 05:14:54 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 11, 2017, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 11, 2017, 08:47:21 AM
It will probably always be known as the Tappan Zee Bridge by most everyone.
I believe the plan is to revise all the signs directing motorists to the new bridge to show its new name. Which will, in turn, lead to navigation software/GPS systems to eventually refer to the bridge by what it's signed as.
So we'll have GPSes stating "Take Interstate two-eighty-seven/Interstate eighty-seven towards Tappan Zee Bridge/Mario Cuomo Junior Bridge towards Suffern."
Whatever it takes - as of right now, Google maps, Bing maps and Yahoo maps do not use bridge name as part of directions (I used Albany NY to Tarrytown train station). For them it is I-87/I287. Waze still calls it Tappan Zee.
I'd imagine that most GPS turn by turn navigation pretty much reads the overhead sign, so e.g. from US 9W the GPS would say something like "Take the exit toward I-87/I-287 Tappan Zee Bridge" (my GPS often omits directions and only lists the first destination on the sign). That said, as long as what the GPS says matches what the sign says, I don't see anyone getting lost.
Quote from: bzakharin on September 14, 2017, 10:30:09 AM
Quote from: kalvado on September 12, 2017, 05:14:54 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 11, 2017, 01:40:43 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 11, 2017, 08:47:21 AM
It will probably always be known as the Tappan Zee Bridge by most everyone.
I believe the plan is to revise all the signs directing motorists to the new bridge to show its new name. Which will, in turn, lead to navigation software/GPS systems to eventually refer to the bridge by what it's signed as.
So we'll have GPSes stating "Take Interstate two-eighty-seven/Interstate eighty-seven towards Tappan Zee Bridge/Mario Cuomo Junior Bridge towards Suffern."
Whatever it takes - as of right now, Google maps, Bing maps and Yahoo maps do not use bridge name as part of directions (I used Albany NY to Tarrytown train station). For them it is I-87/I287. Waze still calls it Tappan Zee.
I'd imagine that most GPS turn by turn navigation pretty much reads the overhead sign, so e.g. from US 9W the GPS would say something like "Take the exit toward I-87/I-287 Tappan Zee Bridge" (my GPS often omits directions and only lists the first destination on the sign). That said, as long as what the GPS says matches what the sign says, I don't see anyone getting lost.
Tappan Zee bridge is part of I-87/I287, so "get on I-87 south" is good enough set of directions. There is no explicit need to use the bridge name.
Of course there's no need. I'm just reporting to you how my GPS announces an upcoming exit, and it's
"Take exit [number if available] toward [all route shields on the sign, sometimes minus direction], [first control point, sometimes second one too]"
Quote from: kalvado on September 14, 2017, 11:17:30 AM
Tappan Zee bridge is part of I-87/I287, so "get on I-87 south" is good enough set of directions. There is no explicit need to use the bridge name.
Well, I don't know...one of my biggest peeves with GPS systems is that they aren't oriented towards local familiarity. Sometimes when I punch in directions to a place, the first and most important piece of information I want to know is whether I'm taking the Tappan Zee, say, or the Bear Mountain Bridge. Granted, GPS systems aren't really designed for the big picture, but there's the need, regardless.
FYI, inbound traffic will move to the new outbound span late this Friday night & the old bridge will be closed to traffic for good.
Anyone wishing to drive on the old bridge for at least one last time will need to do so prior to then. Press Release (http://www.thruway.ny.gov/news/pressrel/2017/09/2017-09-28-mcb-traffic-shift.html)
Drive across the old bridge that was infamous for punch-throughs? Why would you do that when there's a perfectly good, brand new bridge? :D
Quote from: empirestate on September 14, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: kalvado on September 14, 2017, 11:17:30 AM
Tappan Zee bridge is part of I-87/I287, so "get on I-87 south" is good enough set of directions. There is no explicit need to use the bridge name.
Well, I don't know...one of my biggest peeves with GPS systems is that they aren't oriented towards local familiarity...
If you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood...
But, realistically, there is no need for naming different things. A GPS's primarily responsibility is to get you from point A to point B. After all, while you may want to know the bridge you're using, maybe someone else wants to see the nickname of the highway, or an interchange in memory of someone. When there's information overload, GPSs become annoying and confusing.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 10:13:38 AM
Quote from: empirestate on September 14, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: kalvado on September 14, 2017, 11:17:30 AM
Tappan Zee bridge is part of I-87/I287, so "get on I-87 south" is good enough set of directions. There is no explicit need to use the bridge name.
Well, I don't know...one of my biggest peeves with GPS systems is that they aren't oriented towards local familiarity...
If you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood...
What's the rest of the sentence?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 10:13:38 AM
But, realistically, there is no need for naming different things. A GPS's primarily responsibility is to get you from point A to point B. After all, while you may want to know the bridge you're using, maybe someone else wants to see the nickname of the highway, or an interchange in memory of someone. When there's information overload, GPSs become annoying and confusing.
Right, which is why it's useful to hear "head towards the Bear Mountain Bridge" rather than "head northwest for one hundred and fifty feet, then turn right".
Quote from: empirestate on October 03, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 10:13:38 AMIf you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood...
What's the rest of the sentence?
He's leaving that up to the reader (i.e. Reader's Choice).
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 03, 2017, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: empirestate on October 03, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 10:13:38 AMIf you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood...
What's the rest of the sentence?
He's leaving that up to the reader (i.e. Reader's Choice).
Yep...you know where I was going with that.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 03, 2017, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: empirestate on October 03, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 10:13:38 AMIf you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood...
What's the rest of the sentence?
He's leaving that up to the reader (i.e. Reader's Choice).
Yep...you know where I was going with that.
OK, my bet is
If you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood, you probably have enough traffic problems to use GPS software for latest traffic information!
Quote from: kalvado on October 03, 2017, 02:25:05 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 03, 2017, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: empirestate on October 03, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 10:13:38 AMIf you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood...
What's the rest of the sentence?
He's leaving that up to the reader (i.e. Reader's Choice).
Yep...you know where I was going with that.
OK, my bet is
If you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood, you probably have enough traffic problems to use GPS software for latest traffic information!
Not necessarily. A lot of people with dementia use GPS to get to/from the store, making health issues of that type harder to identify from memory loss.
I remember my cousin before he started driving would take the bus very often from his home to the nearby shopping mall. When he got his license (20 years ago, so pre-GPS), he had no clue how to get to the mall. He never watched where the bus went.
Even worse - it was literally just 2 roads he needed to take. He had no clue where he had to turn.
Quote from: cl94 on October 03, 2017, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: kalvado on October 03, 2017, 02:25:05 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 03, 2017, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: empirestate on October 03, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 10:13:38 AMIf you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood...
What's the rest of the sentence?
He's leaving that up to the reader (i.e. Reader's Choice).
Yep...you know where I was going with that.
OK, my bet is
If you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood, you probably have enough traffic problems to use GPS software for latest traffic information!
Not necessarily. A lot of people with dementia use GPS to get to/from the store, making health issues of that type harder to identify from memory loss.
well, my point is that saying GPS is a sign of a problem with the driver is not the only option. I do fire up Waze on my commute to get traffic/hazard warnings.
And with all the modern IT we're less relying on memory these days, more on general information accessibility. Which may be seen a bad thing or a good thing - but that is the general trend.
Quote from: kalvado on October 03, 2017, 03:02:29 PM
Quote from: cl94 on October 03, 2017, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: kalvado on October 03, 2017, 02:25:05 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 03, 2017, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: empirestate on October 03, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 10:13:38 AMIf you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood...
What's the rest of the sentence?
He's leaving that up to the reader (i.e. Reader's Choice).
Yep...you know where I was going with that.
OK, my bet is
If you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood, you probably have enough traffic problems to use GPS software for latest traffic information!
Not necessarily. A lot of people with dementia use GPS to get to/from the store, making health issues of that type harder to identify from memory loss.
well, my point is that saying GPS is a sign of a problem with the driver is not the only option. I do fire up Waze on my commute to get traffic/hazard warnings.
And with all the modern IT we're less relying on memory these days, more on general information accessibility. Which may be seen a bad thing or a good thing - but that is the general trend.
Well, guess I'll just leave the speculation up to those who need a GPS to get around their own neighborhood, since they aren't the subject of my remarks. :-P
Further proof that GPS's have made Americans dumber at geography....
Quote from: cl94 on October 03, 2017, 02:26:57 PM
Quote from: kalvado on October 03, 2017, 02:25:05 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 02:13:03 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 03, 2017, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: empirestate on October 03, 2017, 01:33:04 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 10:13:38 AMIf you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood...
What's the rest of the sentence?
He's leaving that up to the reader (i.e. Reader's Choice).
Yep...you know where I was going with that.
OK, my bet is
If you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood, you probably have enough traffic problems to use GPS software for latest traffic information!
Not necessarily. A lot of people with dementia use GPS to get to/from the store, making health issues of that type harder to identify from memory loss.
Do you know somebody that uses actually such for that very reason or are you simply speculating?
Think about your comment real long & hard for a moment. If one is suffering memory loss through dementia, they could very easily forget how to properly use their GPS device to get to their destination. Additionally, it's usually not recommended to have one w/severe dementia to be left alone.
BTW, having recently lost a relative (my 80-year-old mother) through dementia; I can tell you a GPS device would have not made her navigation any easier.
Nearly a year ago, as a passenger in my vehicle while en route to a doctor's office in Danvers, MA; she was asking if we were crossing over the Mass Pike (I-90), a highway that's about 30 miles away. She was obviously referring to Route 128 (we were on Endicott St./128's Exit 24). Imagine what would've happened had she been using a GPS.
Quote from: froggie on October 04, 2017, 07:16:36 AMFurther proof that GPS's have made Americans dumber at geography....
Agree wholeheartedly, and that's exactly what J&N was discretely trying to convey in his earlier post.
I remember when my great Aunt was first starting to get dementia. She was fine for the driving and the navigating; the problem was that she would forget where she was going!
I know someone who uses a GPS for just about everything. He's in his late 80s, so clearly he's worked without a GPS before, but got hooked (he's also still working, though he's been here long enough that he now arguably has had two careers instead of one).
Back to the actual subject at hand; based on the earlier-posted press release, the lane closures in preparation for the big shift will commence at 9 PM this Friday.
If one's travel plans normally involve going through this area at that time of night (or later); consider taking an alternate route/river crossing.
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 04, 2017, 02:04:02 PM
Back to the actual subject at hand; based on the earlier-posted press release, the lane closures in preparation for the big shift will commence at 9 PM this Friday.
If one's travel plans normally involve going through this area at that time of night (or later); consider taking an alternate route/river crossing.
And what is the big shift? I thought second span is not opened till next year...
Quote from: kalvado on October 04, 2017, 02:47:28 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 04, 2017, 02:04:02 PM
Back to the actual subject at hand; based on the earlier-posted press release, the lane closures in preparation for the big shift will commence at 9 PM this Friday.
If one's travel plans normally involve going through this area at that time of night (or later); consider taking an alternate route/river crossing.
And what is the big shift? I thought second span is not opened till next year...
EB traffic is moving to the new WB span.
^^ Take a look at mine and others photos upthread. They're squeezing 4 lanes in each direction onto the new westbound span while they finish building the new eastbound span...but they can't finish it until the old existing bridge is gone.
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 04, 2017, 08:50:52 AM
Quote from: froggie on October 04, 2017, 07:16:36 AMFurther proof that GPS's have made Americans dumber at geography....
Agree wholeheartedly, and that's exactly what J&N was discretely trying to convey in his earlier post.
Oh, is that what it was? I didn't catch that, since it doesn't refer to what I was actually saying.
I think I may have misled people by referring to local familiarity: the remark wasn't that I want a GPS to supplant my local knowledge by giving me
more information about my own area, but rather the opposite.
Because I am able to navigate my local area without the aid of a GPS, I would like the system to be able to filter out unnecessary details and just give me big picture information: "Am I heading into the city on the Saw Mill or Sprain? Where does the traffic look better? Oh, you've detected a faster route? OK, do I switch over to the Thruway? No, no, don't just say 'in five hundred feet take the ramp on the right'–I need the big picture here!"
Quote from: empirestate on October 05, 2017, 01:17:14 AM
I think I may have misled people by referring to local familiarity: the remark wasn't that I want a GPS to supplant my local knowledge by giving me more information about my own area, but rather the opposite. Because I am able to navigate my local area without the aid of a GPS, I would like the system to be able to filter out unnecessary details and just give me big picture information: "Am I heading into the city on the Saw Mill or Sprain? Where does the traffic look better? Oh, you've detected a faster route? OK, do I switch over to the Thruway? No, no, don't just say 'in five hundred feet take the ramp on the right'—I need the big picture here!"
You're describing Waze more than what GPS is or ever was intended to do.
Back on the topic of the new Tappan Zee (I refuse to call it the Cuomo Bridge). I crossed the new bridge for the first time last Wednesday. It was nice to see the bridge for myself. I had plenty of time to look at it up close and personally; traffic was pretty sluggish at 2 pm. I would have liked to get some photos, but I had a Lexus following me closer than I liked and I was worried about getting rear ended every time we stopped/slowed to nearly a stop. Her poor driving and the fact that my car is a manual took all my available attention and hands.
One guy posted a video driving of the new span.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHZa69-asmY
Quote from: empirestate on October 05, 2017, 01:17:14 AM
"Am I heading into the city on the Saw Mill or Sprain? Where does the traffic look better? Oh, you've detected a faster route? OK, do I switch over to the Thruway? No, no, don't just say 'in five hundred feet take the ramp on the right'–I need the big picture here!"
That is what most people care about.
If a GPS said "Just switch over to the Thruway", people won't know exactly where to go, and if there's two exits in a row that'll take you there, one may only take a minute, and another may take 10 minutes.
If you want the fastest route, there's no reason for the big picture. That's all extra info almost no one cares about. They just want to know the exact route that's the fastest.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 05, 2017, 08:29:42 AM
Quote from: empirestate on October 05, 2017, 01:17:14 AM
"Am I heading into the city on the Saw Mill or Sprain? Where does the traffic look better? Oh, you've detected a faster route? OK, do I switch over to the Thruway? No, no, don't just say 'in five hundred feet take the ramp on the right'–I need the big picture here!"
That is what most people care about.
If a GPS said "Just switch over to the Thruway", people won't know exactly where to go, and if there's two exits in a row that'll take you there, one may only take a minute, and another may take 10 minutes.
If you want the fastest route, there's no reason for the big picture. That's all extra info almost no one cares about. They just want to know the exact route that's the fastest.
Google maps on PC actually does something like a high-level overview when planning the route - if I plot my ride home, it will provide routing via via I-XX or NY-XX. Waze also does something similar by briefly shoing "route via I-XX is Y minutes faster than alternative" - but not as audible message. I generally have audible directions off, only warnings are active in most cases. That doesn't provide audible warnings about unusual routing, though.
I think this is the feature which I - and probably some other people commuting in high traffic - would like to see emphasized.
Quote from: kalvado on October 05, 2017, 10:19:06 AM
Google maps on PC actually does something like a high-level overview when planning the route - if I plot my ride home, it will provide routing via via I-XX or NY-XX. Waze also does something similar by briefly shoing "route via I-XX is Y minutes faster than alternative" - but not as audible message. I generally have audible directions off, only warnings are active in most cases. That doesn't provide audible warnings about unusual routing, though.
I think this is the feature which I - and probably some other people commuting in high traffic - would like to see emphasized.
When there are multiple potential routes between my present location and my destination, I'll frequently bring up Google Maps to get an overview and navigate without the maps. Or, alternatively, I'll set the Google Maps audio to "alerts only", which lets me drive without distraction unless/until Google alerts to a delay and faster alternate route.
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Quote from: kalvado on October 05, 2017, 10:19:06 AM
Google maps on PC actually does something like a high-level overview when planning the route - if I plot my ride home, it will provide routing via via I-XX or NY-XX. Waze also does something similar by briefly shoing "route via I-XX is Y minutes faster than alternative" - but not as audible message. I generally have audible directions off, only warnings are active in most cases. That doesn't provide audible warnings about unusual routing, though.
I think this is the feature which I - and probably some other people commuting in high traffic - would like to see emphasized.
When there are multiple potential routes between my present location and my destination, I'll frequently bring up Google Maps to get an overview and navigate without the maps. Or, alternatively, I'll set the Google Maps audio to "alerts only", which lets me drive without distraction unless/until Google alerts to a delay and faster alternate route.
"Who needs a map? A man has to find his way from the look of the woods, trees, mountains!"
(c)Natty Bumppo, the Leatherstocking.
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Quote from: empirestate on October 05, 2017, 01:17:14 AM
"Am I heading into the city on the Saw Mill or Sprain? Where does the traffic look better? Oh, you've detected a faster route? OK, do I switch over to the Thruway? No, no, don't just say 'in five hundred feet take the ramp on the right'–I need the big picture here!"
That is what most people care about.
If a GPS said "Just switch over to the Thruway", people won't know exactly where to go, and if there's two exits in a row that'll take you there, one may only take a minute, and another may take 10 minutes.
If you want the fastest route, there's no reason for the big picture. That's all extra info almost no one cares about. They just want to know the exact route that's the fastest.
Exactly; my peeve with GPS systems is that they're designed for the needs of typical people, who need help getting around unfamiliar neighborhoods (yes, including their own). Or perhaps, people need help getting around unfamiliar neighborhoods
because GPS systems are designed the way they are.
Although they may have some overview features, and other apps are available, they're not quite intelligent enough to dynamically communicate in a way that's most beneficial to me.
To me it will always just be the Tappan Zee. Just like the 59th St Bridge will always be just that, and the Triboro will always be the Triboro. But for me it's just about tradition. And I have to admit, I am a little sad to see the old girl go. She was a rough and sometimes dangerous bridge, but something about it always complimented the landscape well. (although I have to admit, the "Monster Energy Drink Bridge" does sound kinda funny. It would be funny to name a new bridge that just for the hell of it.
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Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2017, 10:13:38 AMIf you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood...
What's the rest of the sentence?
He's leaving that up to the reader (i.e. Reader's Choice).
Yep...you know where I was going with that.
OK, my bet is
If you need a GPS to get around your own neighborhood, you probably have enough traffic problems to use GPS software for latest traffic information!
Not necessarily. A lot of people with dementia use GPS to get to/from the store, making health issues of that type harder to identify from memory loss.
well, my point is that saying GPS is a sign of a problem with the driver is not the only option. I do fire up Waze on my commute to get traffic/hazard warnings.
And with all the modern IT we're less relying on memory these days, more on general information accessibility. Which may be seen a bad thing or a good thing - but that is the general trend.
I used to use my GPS every morning going to work for the traffic coverage...that is until the cable (which also functions as the traffic report antenna), stopped working and I was too lazy to buy a new one :/
Quote from: njunderground on October 11, 2017, 12:26:38 AM
To me it will always just be the Tappan Zee. Just like the 59th St Bridge will always be just that, and the Triboro will always be the Triboro. But for me it's just about tradition. And I have to admit, I am a little sad to see the old girl go. She was a rough and sometimes dangerous bridge, but something about it always complimented the landscape well. (although I have to admit, the "Monster Energy Drink Bridge" does sound kinda funny. It would be funny to name a new bridge that just for the hell of it.
It's like Shea. You can say that the new structure has a new name and the old name died with the old one, but if you put it back in roughly the same place, no one will ever catch on. At least in the NYC area. (Route 3 goes to the Lincoln Tunnel.)
Quote from: Alps on October 11, 2017, 12:59:47 AM
Quote from: njunderground on October 11, 2017, 12:26:38 AM
To me it will always just be the Tappan Zee. Just like the 59th St Bridge will always be just that, and the Triboro will always be the Triboro. But for me it's just about tradition. And I have to admit, I am a little sad to see the old girl go. She was a rough and sometimes dangerous bridge, but something about it always complimented the landscape well. (although I have to admit, the "Monster Energy Drink Bridge" does sound kinda funny. It would be funny to name a new bridge that just for the hell of it.
It's like Shea. You can say that the new structure has a new name and the old name died with the old one, but if you put it back in roughly the same place, no one will ever catch on. At least in the NYC area. (Route 3 goes to the Lincoln Tunnel.)
Kind of like the Boston Garden's replacement (bank name/mergers aside) originally had no reference to the old
Garden name at all. It started as the
Fleet Center, then later the
TD Banknorth Center (or
Garden),
then IIRC the TD Center and then finally the
TD Garden.
Former names:
Shawmut Center (construction)
FleetCenter (1995—2005)
TD Banknorth Garden (2005—2009)
TD Bank Garden (July 2009-present)
Getting back to the Hudson River Bridge...when do they start taking apart some of the old bridge's Westchester approach? I understand that the south/east side of the new bridge can't be built until that's out of the way.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on October 12, 2017, 09:24:47 AMTD Bank Garden (July 2009-present)
The present building signage (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3655324,-71.0612348,3a,75y,325.47h,86.86t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stoEScTnvweJBjMxaNxvQow!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DtoEScTnvweJBjMxaNxvQow%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D29.56639%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) does not contain the word
Bank in it. Another view (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3674397,-71.0622957,3a,75y,149.14h,92.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sFfD04KperDZ89V057VHrRA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DFfD04KperDZ89V057VHrRA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D76.12209%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
(_8(I) -D'oh!
My hatred of all Boston market sports teams blinded me! You are indeed correct!
(https://i.imgur.com/Uu0SYlk.jpg)
OK...back to the bridge again. Two classic shots from the Westchester County side on August 20, 2011. This was a week before Hurricane Irene ravaged the area.
(https://i.imgur.com/vquwvww.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/25UDBnB.jpg)
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on October 12, 2017, 09:24:47 AM
Getting back to the Hudson River Bridge...when do they start taking apart some of the old bridge's Westchester approach? I understand that the south/east side of the new bridge can't be built until that's out of the way.
I just looked at it today, and there are some cranes parked alongside the old bridge. So they're likely already starting.
Following up to the above, progress is well along on this. Here are some photos:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171206/e4cd9452dbcc6038a99b61cacd07020b.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171206/d299922468d966b3842f39cbf1862ef2.jpg)
You can see the cross section of the old approach span, as well as the new piers taking shape alongside the old ones, which clearly cannot be reused.
Meanwhile, work is already underway on the superstructure, too. It's hard to make out in this photo, but the steel members connecting the center truss with the cantilever spans have been removed, so we can expect that center span to come out soon:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171206/165efddafe19006123b78a6b364d3ea3.jpg)
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I still cannot figure out why the Tappan Zee STILL backs-up as much as it does going into Westchester!?! Yes, you have to crossover and the lanes aren't as wide but there is no more merging from 4 lanes to 3. I still backs up from the GSP to where the old toll plazas used to be.
I've been on it a few times and no accidents or anything it's just volume.
Quote from: Mergingtraffic on December 21, 2017, 03:31:22 PM
I still cannot figure out why the Tappan Zee STILL backs-up as much as it does going into Westchester!?! Yes, you have to crossover and the lanes aren't as wide but there is no more merging from 4 lanes to 3. I still backs up from the GSP to where the old toll plazas used to be.
I've been on it a few times and no accidents or anything it's just volume.
Sounds like it should clear up once the final roadway alignment is in.
http://www.thruway.ny.gov/news/pressrel/2018/01/2018-01-17-toll-amnesty-pgm.html (http://www.thruway.ny.gov/news/pressrel/2018/01/2018-01-17-toll-amnesty-pgm.html)
Press release for the launch of a cashless tolling amnesty program, with new toll signage noted within the press release...
Quote from: jemacedo9 on January 18, 2018, 10:40:05 PM
http://www.thruway.ny.gov/news/pressrel/2018/01/2018-01-17-toll-amnesty-pgm.html (http://www.thruway.ny.gov/news/pressrel/2018/01/2018-01-17-toll-amnesty-pgm.html)
Press release for the launch of a cashless tolling amnesty program, with new toll signage noted within the press release...
I wish more toll facilities were like this. Total cashless tolls, no delays, for those with transponders, and an ability to pay online for a small surcharge. Too many agencies do not allow a non-transponder option w/o paying a significant penalty.
The signage looks good.
Quote from: jemacedo9 on January 18, 2018, 10:40:05 PM
http://www.thruway.ny.gov/news/pressrel/2018/01/2018-01-17-toll-amnesty-pgm.html (http://www.thruway.ny.gov/news/pressrel/2018/01/2018-01-17-toll-amnesty-pgm.html)
Press release for the launch of a cashless tolling amnesty program, with new toll signage noted within the press release...
At no point in that press release do they mention "Tappan Zee." It's all "Gov. Mario M. Cuomo." I wonder if that might cause some confusion? Is it reasonable to expect that everyone would have heard about the name change?
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Quote from: jemacedo9 on January 18, 2018, 10:40:05 PM
http://www.thruway.ny.gov/news/pressrel/2018/01/2018-01-17-toll-amnesty-pgm.html (http://www.thruway.ny.gov/news/pressrel/2018/01/2018-01-17-toll-amnesty-pgm.html)
Press release for the launch of a cashless tolling amnesty program, with new toll signage noted within the press release...
At no point in that press release do they mention "Tappan Zee." It's all "Gov. Mario M. Cuomo." I wonder if that might cause some confusion? Is it reasonable to expect that everyone would have heard about the name change?
Let's all call it the Gov. Tappan M. Zee Memorial Bridge.
SM-G955U
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 22, 2018, 04:57:09 PM
At no point in that press release do they mention "Tappan Zee." It's all "Gov. Mario M. Cuomo." I wonder if that might cause some confusion? Is it reasonable to expect that everyone would have heard about the name change?
Yes, actually. There was some Facebook faux-outrage about it going around for a while (think red Starbucks cups, but a milder version) and I think the hyper-local news beat has covered it a fair bit, too.
Implosion of most of the bridge scheduled within the hour. Pix11.com has coverage.
It's down. Along with some cranes and port-a-johns.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aol.com/amp/2019/01/15/explosion-takes-down-tappan-zee-bridge-on-hudson-river/
Here it is or here it was.
Did anyone happen to capture the live tower webcam that was streaming at newnybridge.com? I had the feed open, but the demolition itself was a shorter event than each of the necessary continual reloadings of the page. :-(
Quote from: empirestate on January 17, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
Did anyone happen to capture the live tower webcam that was streaming at newnybridge.com? I had the feed open, but the demolition itself was a shorter event than each of the necessary continual reloadings of the page. :-(
Almost (although I was using youtube feed)
Heard "wow!" in my earphones, clicked to video tab, saw the span half way in flight...
Quote from: kalvado on January 17, 2019, 11:55:44 AM
Quote from: empirestate on January 17, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
Did anyone happen to capture the live tower webcam that was streaming at newnybridge.com? I had the feed open, but the demolition itself was a shorter event than each of the necessary continual reloadings of the page. :-(
Almost (although I was using youtube feed)
Heard "wow!" in my earphones, clicked to video tab, saw the span half way in flight...
Do you have the YouTube link for the tower webcam feed?
Quote from: empirestate on January 17, 2019, 05:01:57 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 17, 2019, 11:55:44 AM
Quote from: empirestate on January 17, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
Did anyone happen to capture the live tower webcam that was streaming at newnybridge.com? I had the feed open, but the demolition itself was a shorter event than each of the necessary continual reloadings of the page. :-(
Almost (although I was using youtube feed)
Heard "wow!" in my earphones, clicked to video tab, saw the span half way in flight...
Do you have the YouTube link for the tower webcam feed?
No, that was the first link for "bridge demolition" - it was a live event broadcast, not 24/7 feed I think you're looking for...
Quote from: kalvado on January 17, 2019, 05:05:25 PM
Quote from: empirestate on January 17, 2019, 05:01:57 PM
Quote from: kalvado on January 17, 2019, 11:55:44 AM
Quote from: empirestate on January 17, 2019, 11:31:14 AM
Did anyone happen to capture the live tower webcam that was streaming at newnybridge.com? I had the feed open, but the demolition itself was a shorter event than each of the necessary continual reloadings of the page. :-(
Almost (although I was using youtube feed)
Heard "wow!" in my earphones, clicked to video tab, saw the span half way in flight...
Do you have the YouTube link for the tower webcam feed?
No, that was the first link for "bridge demolition" - it was a live event broadcast, not 24/7 feed I think you're looking for...
Not 24/7; this was a temporary live stream of the tower webcam (View 1 at https://www.newnybridge.com/webcam/ ) set up expressly for the demolition. You said you almost captured it on YouTube?
Has there been any more news regarding the possible hydrogen embrittlement of the A490 bolts used on the new bridges?
Got to travel the new Tappan Zee Bridge today on a work-related day trip from CT to PA and back. The bridge is really nice, but it feels narrow, primarily due to road work still being performed which has the shoulders closed. Was surprised to see so many signs still saying Tappan Zee Bridge, on both sides of the river. I'm not complaining at all, but given how much of a big deal Cuomo made the name change, and seeing "GMCB" on VMSs, I'm surprised there hasn't been a more aggressive campaign to replace the old signage. Also surprised to see the old lighted "LEFT LANE CLOSED" signs still up on either shore, during the old bridge/movable barrier days.
Photos are on my Thruway page... old bridge at the top, new bridge a little ways down...
https://www.flickr.com/photos/shadyjay/albums/72157698882031051
Looks like the name may get changed back after all...
https://nypost.com/2021/08/11/democrats-want-mario-cuomo-bridge-changed-back-to-tappan-zee/
Quote from: GreenLanternCorps on August 11, 2021, 06:58:44 PM
Looks like the name may get changed back after all...
https://nypost.com/2021/08/11/democrats-want-mario-cuomo-bridge-changed-back-to-tappan-zee/
Let me know when it actually happens.
Mario Cuomo will have a good legacy whether the bridge stays named after him or not.
I'm sure Andrew renaming the bridge after his dad had nothing at all to do with them having the same last name. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: