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Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 21, 2009, 12:31:13 AM
A corridor study for US 301 in and around the city of Starke is still in a preliminary stage, with a PD&E study under way.  There are three alternatives for this project: a no project alternative, an urban alternative, and a rural alternative.  The urban alternative would leave the route on its current alignment but upgraded to a six-lane arterial (control access).  The rural alternative would bypass the city to the west and be a full on limited access highway, complete with grade separated interchanges.

Of the three, I would like to see the state build the limited access alternative, as that area is in need of bypasses around all the cities and towns it traverses.  Having lived in that area for 7 years, I've sat in traffic on that particular stretch more than I can count.  Plus it would be the first real limited access bypass for a US Highway constructed in Florida.

For more information on this project click here (http://www.us301starke.com/us301/default.asp).
    
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 21, 2009, 12:38:39 AM
what would Starke Police do if they couldn't put up a speed limit 25 sign anymore??
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2009, 01:00:56 AM
Shubuta, MS lost out when U.S. 45 was realigned to a bypass. Hopefully the same would happen with Starke.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 21, 2009, 01:15:05 AM
Shubuta, MS lost out when U.S. 45 was realigned to a bypass. Hopefully the same would happen with Starke.

Oh, I am sure they would find a way out to the bypass if and when it got built, knowing the police up in that neck of the woods.  There would probably be a new Hardee's or Waffle House built at the interchange with Florida 16 and those could be their staging areas...
Title: Florida
Post by: andy3175 on January 21, 2009, 01:17:27 AM
is us 301 currently a two-lane or four-lane highway? how much development is along the current alignment through Starke?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2009, 01:19:59 AM
I have a few photos of it in marinating in the queue.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 21, 2009, 01:20:47 AM
divided four-laner.  hardly anything once you get out of town, and then in town is the usual assortment of gas stations, wal-marts, etc. 
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 21, 2009, 01:24:18 AM
is us 301 currently a two-lane or four-lane highway? how much development is along the current alignment through Starke?

Actually US 301 is an undivided multi-lane facility through Starke (4 thru lanes with a continuous center turn lane).  The last time I was through the area the growth was pretty much along the US 301 corridor from about 2 miles south of Florida 16 to about 2 miles north.  Not much development for the city but the traffic there is horrible.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 21, 2009, 01:28:06 AM
oh it's got no median through the town?

I just remember taking a bunch of the rural side streets looking for yellow 301s.  I remember there were a few in that general area; dunno if any where in Starke.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2009, 01:29:48 AM
We just were told where two yellow U.S 301's are recently.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 21, 2009, 01:33:59 AM
oh it's got no median through the town?

I just remember taking a bunch of the rural side streets looking for yellow 301s.  I remember there were a few in that general area; dunno if any where in Starke.

Yeah, through town it loses the median.  And the right-of-way is not wide enough there to facilitate the six-laning alternative.  Additional ROW would have to be acquired and businesses would have to be bought out.

And as far as any colored US 301 shields, there are none in Starke but there is one set north of town near Lawtey.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 21, 2009, 01:39:39 AM
(http://www.artistjake.com/f/fl/x0068.jpg)

I had forgotten where that one was.  Lawtey sounds about right.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 21, 2009, 02:00:26 AM
Yes, it's located about a mile or so south of Lawtey.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 21, 2009, 12:39:55 PM
Switching highways but in the same general area, I have received word from FDOT that the new signage to convert the eastern half of the Jacksonville Beltway from  Florida 9A (http://www.sr9a.info/home.html) to I-295.  The bids are suppose to go out this September and the signage will be in place by sometime in 2010.  Also, once completely signed as I-295, the beltway will be split into the I-295 West Beltway and I-295 East Beltway with I-95 being the divider.  Exit numbers are already painted onto the off ramps on the eastern side but according to FDOT these may not be the final numbers (but I think they would be since they went ahead and marked them).  The only interchange that has exit tabs on the eastern half is at I-95 (heading westbound on 9A) and its exit number is 61.

Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 21, 2009, 01:11:24 PM
In keeping in the Jacksonville vicinity, I would really love to see a short extension of I-10 from its current end at I-95 pushed south and east to Florida A1A via the JT Butler Boulevard expressway (Florida 202).  All that would need to be done is to reconfigure the interchange at I-95 and Florida 202 to facilitate high speed movements between north/southbound I-95 and east/westbound Florida 202.  And JTB is currently undergoing a project going from four lanes to six lanes (Kernan Boulevard east to San Pablo Road).  If the interchange at I-95 can be upgraded, then I-10 could be extended and thus, be a true coast to coast interstate, almost literally touching both oceans.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 21, 2009, 09:31:45 PM
Just got the latest FDOT District Three newsletter (http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs023/1101677970109/archive/1102413444599.html), which includes the latest news on the five-year project to widen Interstate 110 in Pensacola.

The whole project will finally be completed by spring of this year. For those familiar with the project, its been since 2002 since Interstate 110 was barrier-free. The new split-diamond interchange between Airport Boulevard and Brent Lane is in its final phase and its completion will wrap up the project.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 24, 2009, 02:34:19 PM
Here's some hope for one of our local busy intersections near Eglin Air Force Base:

Stimulus project: SR-123 flyover?

Local officials lobby for flyover at the road's intersection with SR-85
January 23, 2009 - 6:08 PM
Dusty Ricketts
Daily News

After years of delays, there finally is some hope that the proposed overpass at the southern intersection of State Roads 85 and 123 could become a reality.

The Florida Department of Transportation has had plans for a flyover ramp to connect SR 85 to northbound SR 123 for years. The flyover would reconfigure the congested intersection and eliminate the need for a traffic signal there.

The estimated $30.6-million project has been delayed numerous times because of the cost.

"The intent is to free up the traffic at that intersection by providing a flyover and some at-grade improvements," said Tommie Speights, spokesman for the DOT's Northwest Florida district. "The design on that is not complete."

In 2001, construction was scheduled to begin in fiscal 2007. However, the DOT has delayed the project three times since then.

Most recently, Okaloosa County officials were notified in December that the project had been pushed back again from fiscal 2012 to fiscal 2013.

Rather than accepting another delay, the Okaloosa-Walton Transportation Planning Organization met with DOT officials and the overpass has been added to the list of projects proposed by the state to be funded by the federal economic stimulus program.

Okaloosa County commissioners will write letters to their state and federal legislators seeking help to get the overpass approved. Commissioners hope the project will start before 2013.

"The plans are being updated to current standards in anticipation of potential funding from the economic stimulus package," Speights said. "The plans will be ready for bid advertisement within a month should funding become available."
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(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-123_at_int_fl-085.jpg)
Florida 123's southern terminus at Florida 85.  Photo taken 12/01/08. 

The photo above shows a portion of the current configuration at the intersection between Florida 123 and Florida 85.  One can see in the background traffic waiting in queue to turn from northbound Florida 85 onto Florida 123.  This intersection is known for its daily backups from those coming from the base and also for commuter traffic from the Fort Walton Beach area to points north, such as Crestview.
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on January 26, 2009, 05:23:08 PM
More expressways galore!

At least with Sunrail, transit is starting to slowly take some roots in Orlando.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 26, 2009, 06:24:11 PM
More expressways galore!

At least with Sunrail, transit is starting to slowly take some roots in Orlando.

Yes, very, very slowly.  In my opinion, the Sunrail (http://www.sunrail.com/) will only benefit those who live directly next to the I-4 corridor, which is not the majority of the population in the Orlando metro area.  Everyone else will still have to use their own transportation to drive to the rail stations, which means they will still be clogging the crowded roadways to get there.
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on January 26, 2009, 06:28:34 PM
baby steps.
Title: Florida
Post by: mediaguru on February 05, 2009, 03:01:28 AM
In keeping in the Jacksonville vicinity, I would really love to see a short extension of I-10 from its current end at I-95 pushed south and east to Florida A1A via the JT Butler Boulevard expressway (Florida 202).  All that would need to be done is to reconfigure the interchange at I-95 and Florida 202 to facilitate high speed movements between north/southbound I-95 and east/westbound Florida 202.  And JTB is currently undergoing a project going from four lanes to six lanes (Kernan Boulevard east to San Pablo Road).  If the interchange at I-95 can be upgraded, then I-10 could be extended and thus, be a true coast to coast interstate, almost literally touching both oceans.

I've often thought that an upgraded JTB/SR-202 would be a good Interstate candidate because of the major role it plays in connecting I-95 to the coast.  As far as extending I-10 onto the SR-202 alignment, it seems that such an extension would so dramatically affect heavily developed areas that it would be prohibitive.  There are a number of new interchange designs under consideration for I-95/SR-202 (see: http://www.butler95.com/ (http://www.butler95.com/)), so it is conceivable that the freeway could be extended beyond nearby US 1 and toward the St. Johns.  The question would be how to route it across the river from there.  I guess I-10 could always be multiplexed with I-95 through the downtown/southside areas....
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 05, 2009, 11:15:01 AM
Thanks for the site link.  I didn't know that they are actually going to do a PD&E study for improvements.  The Interstate 95/Florida 202 does need upgrading.  And in my scenario, I would have Interstate 10 multiplex with Interstate 95 across the St. Johns.  Who knows, maybe once they get the six-laning done and the interchange upgraded they will file for a interstate designation, whether it be for Interstate 10 or perhaps for an Interstate 995...that would be cool as well.     
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 10, 2009, 12:56:16 AM
The first portion of the Toll Florida 414 is set to open this Saturday in the afternoon, after having morning festivities including a 5k run and some family type entertainment.  The initial opening is set for Sunpass and Epass only, but work will continue to accommodate cash customers on the Coral Hills Main Toll Plaza and ramp plazas. Also note that the Keene Road ramps will not be accessible initially. Click here (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR414/assets/SR414_map.pdf) for a detailed map of the partial opening.
Title: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on February 10, 2009, 10:18:05 AM
They are already opening a part of F414? Wow, news like these always make me envious at just how fast freeways can get build in the US, when a project of similar dimensions takes at least 2-3 times as many years in Germany  :rolleyes:.
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on February 10, 2009, 03:56:48 PM
They are already opening a part of F414? Wow, news like these always make me envious at just how fast freeways can get build in the US, when a project of similar dimensions takes at least 2-3 times as many years in Germany  :rolleyes:.

I don't think that we build them as sturdy as you do.  I was watching a History Channel show about the autobahns in Germany and I think they said that the pavement depth is around twice what it is here on a U.S. freeway.

Therefore, we need to repair/rebuild them more often.
Title: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on February 10, 2009, 04:01:47 PM
They are already opening a part of F414? Wow, news like these always make me envious at just how fast freeways can get build in the US, when a project of similar dimensions takes at least 2-3 times as many years in Germany  :rolleyes:.

I don't think that we build them as sturdy as you do.  I was watching a History Channel show about the autobahns in Germany and I think they said that the pavement depth is around twice what it is here on a U.S. freeway.

Therefore, we need to repair/rebuild them more often.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. There have been plenty cases where new Autobahnen would have to be repaired within the first year of operation because they had already developed cracks. Overall the US might have lower standards as far as building freeways goes, but what are standards worth when building contracts only go to the lowest bidder anyway  :rolleyes: (and still take ages to complete).
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on February 10, 2009, 11:41:47 PM
I wouldn't be so sure about that. There have been plenty cases where new Autobahnen would have to be repaired within the first year of operation because they had already developed cracks. Overall the US might have lower standards as far as building freeways goes, but what are standards worth when building contracts only go to the lowest bidder anyway  :rolleyes: (and still take ages to complete).

Thanks, it's always better to get an eyewitness. :wow:
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 11, 2009, 03:11:55 AM
An article on Interstate 295 that Presnwap just shared with me:
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-01-29/story/what%E2%80%99s_in_a_direction_on_i_295_in_2010_it_depends (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-01-29/story/what%E2%80%99s_in_a_direction_on_i_295_in_2010_it_depends)
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on February 11, 2009, 03:30:48 AM
Presnwap would be lamsalfl
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 11, 2009, 03:35:26 AM
An article on Interstate 295 that Presnwap just shared with me:
http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-01-29/story/what%E2%80%99s_in_a_direction_on_i_295_in_2010_it_depends (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-01-29/story/what%E2%80%99s_in_a_direction_on_i_295_in_2010_it_depends)

I wrote someone at FDOT on this subject a few weeks ago and he informed me that it will be designated East and West Beltway.  And evidence in the field supports that claim:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-095_nb_app_i-295_exit_362ab)
Photo right before the approach to the Interstate 295 East and West Beltway at exit 362AB along northbound Interstate 95. Photo taken 07/20/08.

And if you can read the tiny note under the East Beltway exit numbers, it indicates that Exit 58 is planned for future use, namely the 'Y' interchange with future 9B (or Interstate 795 if they do indeed designate it as such).
Title: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on February 11, 2009, 10:33:49 AM
You know, up til now I didn't even realise that JAX' beltway would be almost as long as I-285 in Atlanta, could've sworn it would easily be shorter. Oh well, probably messed up conception due to the different traffic levels on the two beltways.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 11, 2009, 06:25:35 PM
"Why change it to an east-west road when people are used to it as a north-south road? FDOT believes it will be easier to navigate the road this way. Interstate 95 is a north-south road, so it makes more sense to have Interstate 295 be east-west. This report also contains material from Nancy Singer, Federal Highway Administration spokeswoman."

What does Interstate 95 being signed as north-south have to do with it making more sense to sign Interstate 295 east/west. That's the logic of a pancake.  :pan: To save confusion, just designate the east half of the beltway Interstate 495 north/south and retain the existing signage on the west side as Interstate 295 north/south.

Oh wait, we don't create new numbers anymore, we just extend existing ones *slaps head*. I have to remember that.   :banghead:
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 11, 2009, 07:02:46 PM
Nope, we can't create a new number.  We have to continually extend existing routes.

I totally agree with you on this one.  The eastern portion should have just been designated another even I-x95.  And IMHO, I-295 is not the most direct bypass around Jacksonville.  In fact, traffic on the south side is horrendous around the Florida 21 (Blanding Blvd) exit (exit 10), though they have modified the interchange with an extended dual off ramp.

It can join the likes of Interstate 4, which runs due north and south through the Orlando area and confuses most people because it is signed as an east/west route.  So yes FDOT, it makes perfect sense for I-295 to become an east/west route for the rocks.....NOT!     
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 11, 2009, 07:35:56 PM
While perusing a 1932 official road map of Florida I noticed that the land the current Eglin Air Force Base occupies was once known as Choctawhatchee National Forest.  Does anyone know the history of this national park?
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on February 11, 2009, 07:48:52 PM
 Most beltways are signed for all four cardinal directions in their circle.  Is this more or less confusing?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 11, 2009, 10:07:59 PM
Most beltways are signed for all four cardinal directions in their circle.  Is this more or less confusing?

I think it depends on their functionality. Probably a cop-out answer, but I'd say the confusion level varies on a case by case basis.
Title: Florida
Post by: Bryant5493 on February 11, 2009, 10:28:05 PM
Most beltways are signed for all four cardinal directions in their circle.  Is this more or less confusing?

It took me awhile to understand the way I-285 was signed. It can be a bit confusing. An inner-outer loop designation would be a little less confusing, as some folks aren't good with their cardinal directions. When I looked at a map, though, it actually made sense: from I-85 to I-75, on the Westside of Atlanta, the freeway is signed north-south; from I-75 to I-85, on the Top End, I-285 is signed east-west; from I-85 to I-20 (Eastside Atlanta), 285 is signed north-south; and from I-20 to I-85 (on the Southeastside), the Perimeter is signed east-west. 


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 19, 2009, 12:02:04 AM
The Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority is making moves toward a 25 cent toll increase at all 14 toll plazas and most toll ramp facilities in the greater Orlando area. The OOCEA covers about 105 miles of toll roads in the central Florida region such as Toll Florida 408, 417, 429 and the newly partially opened Toll Florida 414. Some motorists are against this type of increase and have already suggested that if indeed the tolls are raised, they will begin to take the more congested routes, such as Interstate 4 and Colonial Drive. The OOCEA stated that they have no choice since their revenues and ridership have fallen consistantly for the last 11 months, which according to them is unprecedented in the agency's history. It has also been suggested that the increase could bring in more than $40 million annually. This increase could help pay for projects such as the extension of Toll Florida 414 west of Toll Florida 429, construction of the 25 mile Wekiva Parkway, the proposed limited access toll facility connecting the proposed 414/429 with Interstate 4 near Sanford, among a few other projects.

Read here (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-tollhike1809feb18,0,1892733.story?page=1) for more information on this story.

So that means for all those motorists who are currently using the 25 cent toll ramps, beginning in April you will start paying double. To some that may not seem like much but when you break it down quarter by quarter it starts adding up real quick, especially if you use the toll roads everyday. That also means motorists on expressways such as the Beachline (Toll Florida 528) are going to get screwed as well as a portion of that facility is also maintained by the OOCEA, more specifically the portion that runs directly north of the Orlando International Airport. I imagine even more motorists will avoid that specific toll plaza (as it can be done and I purposely have done it many times). Not that I took the toll roads much, but if I did need to get across town in a hurry and didn't feel like using the congested arterials or Interstate 4, I would use them.

So, once again, thanks to this wonderful recession that we are currently in, an agency of the government gets to pass the buck onto you. Yep, so glad I don't live there anymore...
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 20, 2009, 12:47:40 PM
While on the Fort Myers Newspress site this morning I found this article:

Graffiti artist falls from sign on Miami expressway

The Associated Press • February 20, 2009

MIAMI — The Florida Highway Patrol says a man who was hit and killed by a truck on an expressway might have fallen from an overhead sign he was tagging.

The 28-year-old man fell from a catwalk on a road sign hanging over the Palmetto Expressway at about 1 a.m.

Authorities say a pickup hit and killed the man on the roadway. The driver of the pickup truck did stop.

FHP troopers found a can of spray paint near the man’s body. Several signs on Interstate 95 in Miami were vandalized earlier this week; officials say they don’t know if the man who fell scrawled the graffiti on the other signs.

The man’s identity has not yet been released.
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My guess is that he was one of the culprits who did indeed tag those Interstate 95 signs earlier this week. I'm sure there are more out there, and maybe this will deter them from wanting to risk their wasteful lives on tagging any more road signs (but I highly doubt it). Guess that was the last sign he'll be tagging...
Title: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on February 20, 2009, 03:37:29 PM
Gotta feel sorry for the truck driver, running over someone is gonna cause him quite a few nightmares even if he isn't at fault whatsoever.

As for the graffiti artist, good riddance.
Title: Florida
Post by: Chris on February 20, 2009, 03:49:57 PM
I can only feel sorry for the truck driver, not that "artist" who vandalizes signage.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 20, 2009, 03:50:30 PM
Yeah, I imagine it will take that truck driver some time to get over that incident. I cannot imagine having something like that happening to me while I was driving.

And yes, I agree with you on the graffiti artist as well. People who do acts such as that have to be morons in the first place. As I said, what does one get out of pulling stunts like that? If you are going to do something in life, do something constructive, not destructive. So not only is this incident costing us taxpayers (in the form of now either cleaning these signs or replacing them all together), its costing what family this guy had (if any at all). I would say his lesson has been learned. He'll never do that again... :-o
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on March 04, 2009, 01:47:00 PM
Orlando raising tolls about a third April 5 - first toll hike since July 1990

See http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4030 (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4030)

Sounds like a Mickey Mouse proposition to me!  :-D
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 04, 2009, 02:24:52 PM
Yep, it is. The toll hike is also partly due to lack of ridership on the tollways in the county. Since the OOCEA is not making any money they have to pass the buck onto the commuters and make them pay. Nice, eh? 
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on March 04, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Yep, it is. The toll hike is also partly due to lack of ridership on the tollways in the county. Since the OOCEA is not making any money they have to pass the buck onto the commuters and make them pay. Nice, eh? 

And, of course, the toll hike will lower ridership further.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 04, 2009, 04:20:55 PM
Yes, it will in turn lower it further but I really don't think it will lower it to drastic levels. There are still those who will take the toll facilities no matter what the cost is to them; anything to avoid Interstate 4 and some of the more heavily traveled arterials (such as Colonial Drive and Semoran Boulevard).
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 05, 2009, 01:10:37 PM
Here is another article about the toll hike approval, which includes a few notes on the SR 414 extension and the Wekiva Parkway:
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25-cent expressway toll hike approved, will start April 5
Plazas, ramps to charge 25 cents more April 5 -- other boosts due in 2012

Dan Tracy |  Sentinel Staff Writer
February 27, 2009

Rejecting the complaints and occasional catcalls of dozens of disgruntled motorists, the directors of Greater Orlando's road-building agency unanimously decided to raise tolls by at least 25 cents Thursday.

The rate increase will take effect April 5 at 14 main toll plazas and most exit and entrance ramps on the nearly 105-mile system.

An additional increase of at least 9percent is planned in 2012, based on rises in the Consumer Price Index during the next three years. Subsequent cost-of-living increases would kick in every five years.

The authority chairman, Orange County Mayor Rich Crotty, defended the raise by saying it would improve the flagging economy by creating jobs and improving the region's road network.

"There's a very big economic impact," he said.

But 28 people asked the directors not to raise tolls, arguing that people are too distressed by the failing economy to pay more to ride on the authority's roads. Board members, the critics charged, are poor stewards of the toll money.

"Mismanagement is the problem here, not lack of revenue," said Michael Walzak of Orlando.

Board member Tanya Juarez, who voted for the increase that passed 4-0, agreed the Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority needs to be more frugal, suggesting weeklong furloughs for the authority's 50 employees might be a good starting point.

"We must exhaust all cost-cutting measures," Juarez said.

That comment offered little comfort to Madonna Patrick, who lives in west Orange County. She said her son spends $152.75 a month on tolls driving to and from his home, job and school at the University of Central Florida.

The increase, she said, will bump his bill to $210.75.

"There's no way to get to UCF if you don't have the toll roads, unless you want to take all day," Patrick said.

UCF President John Hitt was one of seven who spoke in favor of the increase.

"We need to maintain and expand our road network," he said. "We need to raise rates if that's what it takes."

The toll increase, in fact, is as much about the future as it is about replacing money lost to fewer toll payers.

Without a boost, authority officials say, they cannot build any new roads, potentially leaving the beltway around greater Orlando incomplete and eliminating improvements and expansions to the existing system, which includes state roads 408, 417, 429 and parts of 414 and 528.

The first 25-cent bump would raise an additional $47million, according to revenue projections compiled by an authority consultant. That increase would come despite an anticipated traffic drop of as much as 10 percent caused by motorists unwilling to pay the higher tolls.

The initial cost-of-living increase — its first full year coming in 2013 — would raise another $67million.

That double infusion of money would restart authority construction projects, with some work possibly beginning at the end of the year.

Authority managers say they could borrow as much as $648 million in coming months, ultimately creating as many as 18,000 construction and related jobs.

The work would include:

•Extending the John Land Apopka Expressway, also known as S.R. 414, west to near Plymouth-Sorrento Road, in preparation for the Wekiva Parkway. Construction of that 25-mile toll road, linking S.R. 414 to Interstate 4 in Seminole County, could begin in 2014.

•Widening S.R. 408 near S.R. 417 and improving the interchange between the two roads.

Authority director Mike Snyder also said that without an increase, toll income could drop below what the agency needs to pay off $2.1billion in bond debt. That could trigger a takeover of operations by the bondholders, though he could not cite an agency to which that has happened.

Cash customers likely would pay 25 cents more for every increase, because the agency says it is not cost-effective to collect small change.

But motorists with E-Pass, the electronic device that automatically debits a prepaid account, would be charged the actual cost-of-living increase, even if it is only a few cents.

The authority last raised rates in 1990 and lowered them at two plazas in 1992.

This is the second time in less than three years that the agency said it would raise tolls. Authority officials backed off in 2006, when a scandal broke about how the agency spent its money. That prompted the resignation of two directors, including board Chairman Allan Keen.

Triggering the backlash was the disclosure that a consultant for the agency had paid a company controlled by anti-tax activist Doug Guetzloe $107,500 to research why people dislike paying tolls.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 05, 2009, 05:11:37 PM
Found this while looking up information on the new Marion County 484 alignment near Belleview.

http://www.ocalafl.org/TPO2.aspx?id=3040 (http://www.ocalafl.org/TPO2.aspx?id=3040)



Ocala Beltway

In the mid-1980s, one of the issues identified by the TPO was a need to divert traffic coming through the urban areas to destinations elsewhere. The original concept was a beltway designed to divert traffic around the Cities of Ocala and Belleview. The Ocala Beltway identified a series of limited-access roadways designed to divert traffic around the two cities. The original concept included converting several existing roadways (SR 326 north of Ocala, Baseline Road east of Ocala, and CR 484 west of Belleview) to limited-access roads. The concept also identified new roads such as SW 80th Avenue west of I-75 to complete the Beltway. Eventually, it was decided that conversion of existing roads would not be cost effective. In 1991, the TPO eliminated the Beltway concept in favor of a series of expansions of the existing roadways and the creation of the Belleview Bypass. Today, these roadways are in various stages of development. Please see the Current Projects Section for more information.

SR 35 (Baseline Road) - SR 464 to Belleview Bypass

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      Expand 2.5 mile section to 4 lanes
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      Marion County is currently developing the design for this portion of the project
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      Construction currently not funded

Belleview Bypass - SR 35 to US 441

This project was developed to alleviate traffic, especially heavy-truck traffic, from the Belleview area. The new, four-laned roadway is planned to begin at the intersection of SE 93rd Steet Road and go east and south around the east side of Belleview.

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      New four-lane roadway
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      Marion County is currently developing the design for this portion of the project
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      Construction not yet funded
Title: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on March 06, 2009, 03:34:31 PM
http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4042 (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4042) Here's an article on the partial opening of FL 414 for only Sunpass customers(it says only those with transponders at the very beginning).
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 06, 2009, 03:49:30 PM
I would very much like to see the rest of Florida 414 (Maitland Boulevard) east of U.S. 441 transformed into an full-blown expressway, getting rid of the remaining at-grade intersections. The northern part of the Orlando area has needed an additional east-west expressway to move traffic in the Altamonte Springs area as well as areas such as Casselberry and Maitland. I've always envisioned Maitland Boulevard extending east from its current eastern terminus at U.S. 17/92 to reach Toll Florida 417 and possibly further east.
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on March 09, 2009, 12:31:09 AM
I would very much like to see the rest of Florida 414 (Maitland Boulevard) east of U.S. 441 transformed into an full-blown expressway, getting rid of the remaining at-grade intersections. The northern part of the Orlando area has needed an additional east-west expressway to move traffic in the Altamonte Springs area as well as areas such as Casselberry and Maitland. I've always envisioned Maitland Boulevard extending east from its current eastern terminus at U.S. 17/92 to reach Toll Florida 417 and possibly further east.

I think it could be done.  I've looked at the aerials quite a bit, and I think you can squeeze some ramps in there.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 09, 2009, 01:09:41 AM
With the right amount of tweaking I believe you can. There are already plans for the interchange with Interstate 4 to be reconfigured (http://www.trans4mation.org/?id=177), so yes, it could be feasible to transform the rest of Florida 414 into an expressway.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 09, 2009, 11:46:58 AM
The access is already controlled along Florida 414 between U.S. 441 and Interstate 4. There are sound walls in place along some of that stretch, and all private driveways and commercial access is from the side roads, not from the Maitland Boulevard mainline. However the right of way is pretty tight in spots.
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on March 10, 2009, 02:51:23 AM
Does anyone have any links for SR 23 (Cecil Commerce Parkway / Brannon Field-Chaffee Road) in Duval County?  They have the segment of Chaffee Road Between SR 134 (103rd St) and SR 228 (Normandy Blvd) closed to work on the SR 23 segment from 103rd to I-10, and I'd like to track down a timeline as to when that will be finished.

Also, I noticed that the intersection of the new SR 23 with Normandy will be at-grade with traffic signals.  Thought that was supposed to be part of the "outer beltway" on the First Coast...
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 10, 2009, 03:04:49 AM
Here is the official website for Florida 23: http://www.bfcxpress.com/ (http://www.bfcxpress.com/). I hope this helps.

As far as the intersection with Florida 23 and Normandy, yes it will be an at-grade intersection with traffic signals until such time when traffic warrants it to be upgraded to a full-fledged freeway. It is still part of the "Outer Beltway", but some portions (such as this one) will be constructed as either Super-2's or just as a two-lane road with provisions for future upgrades. The entire project will take several years, if not a decade or two, to complete.
Title: Florida
Post by: njroadhorse on March 10, 2009, 08:39:18 AM
Here is the official website for Florida 23: http://www.bfcxpress.com/ (http://www.bfcxpress.com/). I hope this helps.

As far as the intersection with Florida 23 and Normandy, yes it will be an at-grade intersection with traffic signals until such time when traffic warrants it to be upgraded to a full-fledged freeway. It is still part of the "Outer Beltway", but some portions (such as this one) will be constructed as either Super-2's or just as a two-lane road with provisions for future upgrades. The entire project will take several years, if not a decade or two, to complete.
Will it connect all the way to 95 eventually?  That would help 295 out a lot if it did.


Also, I was in St. Johns County in April 2006, and noticed that there was a large swath of land cleared on both sides of CR 210.  Could anybody tell me what that was for?
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 10, 2009, 12:28:58 PM
Yes, the First Coast Outer Beltway is suppose to connect with Interstate 95 between Florida 16 and St. Johns County 210.

As far as St. Johns County 210, this is the end result of what you saw in April 2006:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-210_eb_app_crosswater_pkwy.jpg)
Eastbound St. Johns County 210 (Nocatee Parkway) approaching Crosswater Parkway. Photo taken 05/03/08.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/crosswater_pkwy_at_cr-210.jpg)
Crosswater Parkway northbound at St. Johns County 210. Photo taken 05/03/08.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-210_wb_at_temp_end.jpg)
Temporary end of Nocatee Parkway. St. Johns County 210 veers south from here to connect with its original alignment on its way to nearby U.S. 1. Photo taken 05/03/08.

St. Johns County 210 was realigned in 2007 to accommodate the Town of Nocatee (http://www.nocatee.com/QuickFacts/Default.aspx), a huge planned town in southeast St. Johns County. The creation of the Nocatee Parkway (St. Johns County 210) was part of the planning of this town. The second extension will bring the Nocatee Parkway west to U.S. 1 in 2010, carrying the St. Johns County 210 designation with it.

Since a portion of this is freeway grade, I would love to see this somehow tie in with the Outer First Coast Beltway and then the entire roadway could be designated Interstate 210 (just replace the county pentagon shields with interstate shields), but current plans do not call for either.
Title: Florida
Post by: njroadhorse on March 10, 2009, 01:14:14 PM
Cool, I gotta go back there and see this.
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on March 10, 2009, 10:27:12 PM
Here is the official website for Florida 23: http://www.bfcxpress.com/ (http://www.bfcxpress.com/). I hope this helps.

Aha!  Just what I was looking for, thanks.  I couldn't remember if they had a separate site for the road.

FDOT was in the process of putting up some new BGS's for SR 23 at 103rd when I drove by there a week or so ago, which had the road named the "Cecil Commerce Expressway" (or some such), although that may be a case of the road being called one thing in Duval County and another in Clay.

Now, I need to find info on that "College Drive North Extension" on Segment 7.  I live just off the current College Drive (Clay CR 224), and the intersection with Blanding Blvd. has a Publix shopping center right across from it, so how they plan to accomplish that is a bit boggling... :)
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 10, 2009, 11:52:28 PM
Here is the official website for Florida 23: http://www.bfcxpress.com/ (http://www.bfcxpress.com/). I hope this helps.

Aha!  Just what I was looking for, thanks.  I couldn't remember if they had a separate site for the road.

FDOT was in the process of putting up some new BGS's for SR 23 at 103rd when I drove by there a week or so ago, which had the road named the "Cecil Commerce Expressway" (or some such), although that may be a case of the road being called one thing in Duval County and another in Clay.

Now, I need to find info on that "College Drive North Extension" on Segment 7.  I live just off the current College Drive (Clay CR 224), and the intersection with Blanding Blvd. has a Publix shopping center right across from it, so how they plan to accomplish that is a bit boggling... :)

Not a problem!  :D I'll see if I can find any info on the College Drive North Extension for you and let you know what I find.
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on March 17, 2009, 01:28:26 AM
From the Times-Union : http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-15/story/legislators_hope_to_get_outer_beltway_project_going (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-15/story/legislators_hope_to_get_outer_beltway_project_going)

Interesting note : I saw that some new green signs were put up on SR 23 between Argyle Forest Blvd and 103rd St; most of what was on the signs was covered up, except for a white curved shape at the bottom.  If that's part of a road shield, the only curved-bottom shields Florida uses (IIRC) are for toll roads.  That'll go over well with Jacksonville drivers (especially the ones who voted the tolls away all those years ago)...
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 17, 2009, 02:10:11 AM
In which direction were these signs? And did you happen to notice signs of any possible open road tolling equipment between Argyle and 103rd? I believe that they would not be tolling that existing portion (at least I hope they wouldn't). And yes, the toll shields in Florida does have rounded bottom.

Interesting article, though. I read a lot of the readers opinions on the subject and most are not for the Outer Beltway. If it indeed turns into a toll facility, then we can say goodbye to any chance of a new interstate in the Jacksonville area.
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on March 17, 2009, 10:50:19 PM
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In which direction were these signs? And did you happen to notice signs of any possible open road tolling equipment between Argyle and 103rd? I believe that they would not be tolling that existing portion (at least I hope they wouldn't). And yes, the toll shields in Florida does have rounded bottom.

There was one going northbound just past Argyle, and two going southbound, one just after 103rd, and a second just past Argyle (begin/end?).  Next time I'm out that way, I'll have to get a snapshot of them.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 18, 2009, 12:17:56 AM
Sweet!! Yeah, I'd love to see some pictures of them. It almost makes me wonder if they are either mileage signs (which I doubt but you never know) or some sort of corridor signage such as North Carolina is imfamous for (I doubt this too but...).
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on March 27, 2009, 11:24:25 PM
Latest on the Outer Beltway from the local fishwrapper : http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-23/story/tolls_making_a_comeback_in_this_region (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-03-23/story/tolls_making_a_comeback_in_this_region)

Whole lotta NIMBY going on...

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Fleming Island resident Mike Heemer  said the road is a bad idea that will only benefit the landowners and businesses around the road.

Heemer concedes that constructing the road is supported by many in Clay County. But he said a lot of people aren’t aware that it will be a toll road.

“I call it the First Coast Outer Tollway,” he said.

Heemer is also dubious that people will want to travel on a toll road after it’s built and says the portion of the  road from Green Cove Springs to St. Johns County won’t see a lot of vehicles.

Pete Geiger,  a resident of Penney Farms in Clay County, expressed concern that the Outer Beltway would end up discouraging the construction of other roads in the area. He worries that a contractor would insist on a no-compete clause that would lead to the state putting lights and stop signs on other roads so that cars would use the Outer Beltway.

Hmm...if it makes it easier to get from Orange Park, Middleburg, et. al. to St. Augustine (never mind I-95 in St. Johns County), I think it'll get more use than these guys think.  That, and I would think that would take pressure off of SR 16 and St Johns County 210, as well.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 28, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
I am not at all surprised that the outer beltway is now being considered as a toll facility. Maybe FDOT should consider using some of the stimulus package and use it toward this instead of just using it to resurface other roads, especially since some of the roads being considered do not even need to be resurfaced.

I agree that most of those people have no clue about who will use the road and who will not. And if I could talk to the resident of Penney Farms, I'd tell him that putting stop lights and and stop signs will not encourage more people to use the outer beltway. It hasn't done that in the Orlando area.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 28, 2009, 10:23:01 PM
As far as I knew, the beltway was to be tolled all along. The only portion that would be free would be the Brannan-Chaffee Expressway portion (SR-23).

Reading that article, it kills me to learn of these no-compete clauses. Why do we have those in roads, especially with toll roads versus free alternatives. There's some heated debate with the ones in Austin, TX for instance, especially with the upgrading of portions of U.S. 190 into a toll road that will require non-toll paying drivers to use the congested frontage roads as an alternative. Is that what they mean by no-compete clause?
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 28, 2009, 10:43:11 PM
When I first learned of the Outer Beltway back in the late 1990's, it was not planned as a toll facility as now stated on their official website (http://www.fdotfirstcoastouterbeltway.com/index.asp). And with the current corridor planned, it really will not serve as a bypass but more rather of a sprawl inducer, as it will open up acres and acres of northeast Florida farm land for residential and commercial use, especially along corridors such as U.S. 17, Florida 16 and Florida 21 (Blanding Boulevard), which does not need any more commercial or residential developments.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 29, 2009, 10:47:04 AM
Within the past two years, U.S. 98 and U.S. 331 were relocated onto new facilities in northwest Florida. U.S. 98 was moved inland in Gulf County, and now bypasses a new beach community called Windmark Beach. U.S. 331 was relocated eastward onto a new facility north and east of Freeport. The old alignment in Gulf County is now a part of beachfront lots.  :verymad: Old U.S. 331 in Walton County is now signed as Florida 883.  :crazy:

Are there any other pending or planned U.S. highway relocations like this in Florida?
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 04, 2009, 09:25:57 AM
Did you get a chance to get pictures of FL 883. Glad I got to clinch US 331 before the realignment.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on April 04, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
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Did you get a chance to get pictures of FL 883. Glad I got to clinch US 331 before the realignment.

He and I both have some pictures of FL 883. I am posting some of mine and I am sure he will post some later as I think he has better lighting...

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-883_nb_after_fl-020.jpg)
First northbound reassurance shield for Florida 883 just north of its southern terminus with Florida 20. Photo taken 12/01/08.


(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-883_sb_after_us-331.jpg)
First southbound reassurance shield for Florida 883 south of U.S. 331. Photo taken 12/01/08.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-883_sb_app_fl-020.jpg)
Approaching the intersection with Florida 20 in Freeport. The shield assembly in the background still displays U.S. 331 as turning east onto Florida 20. Photo taken 12/01/08.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-020_eb_after_fl-883.jpg)
Shield assembly for Florida 20 and now erroneous U.S. 331 east of Florida 883. Photo taken 12/01/08.

Unfortunately I did not get a chance to clinch U.S. 331 when it was on its former alignment through Freeport... :no:

My other question with this signing of Florida 883 is why use that number? That route belongs down in southwest Florida along with all the other 880 series routes. This route should have just been called Florida 83 instead.
Title: Florida
Post by: ComputerGuy on April 04, 2009, 12:16:18 PM
Great pics...I see a sign that points to a place called "Bruce"...LOL that's my name.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 05, 2009, 05:19:03 AM
Thanks for sharing those. They replaced the old traffic light with those ugly Panhandle mast arms.   :banghead: The street straight ahead in the third picture used to/still does have a C-83A shield on it (it was most likely a spur of S/C-83A to the west). They used 883 probably for the same reason of using the 7xx (and 4xx) series in Pensacola, to differentiate from the overuse and limited remaining numbers of the 1xx and 2xx series. Plus, it could be signed that way to state it's a "spur" of 83. Panama City had the same thing series 7xx numbers during the 70s, until they renumbered them to 4-di CRs. I wonder if there are any historical photos of those around somewhere.

Is the new US 331 4- or 2-laned? Mapquest has FL 883 listed as Business US 331.

Now, to get pictures of SR 162 in Tallahassee.  ;-)
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on April 05, 2009, 12:25:43 PM
To answer your question about U.S. 331, it is two lanes but they acquired enough right of way to easily make it four lanes in the future.

And I am not surprised that Mapquest has it listed as Business U.S. 331. Maps Live shows the bypass and shows Florida 883 as Business U.S. 331 (in text) as well. Their aerial does show the bypass under construction (aerial must be from 2006 or 2007). Google Maps, on the other hand, does not even show the new bypass at all!! They still show U.S. 331 going along its original alignment and even the aerial used is older than Maps Live as it shows it pre-bypass. And Google Street View isn't much better, though it does show U.S. 331 just north of where the bypass comes in as newly paved. Their drivers didn't even take the new route when they did their street view recon! One image at Florida 20 still shows the bypass under construction (when looking north on U.S. 331) and when you toggle south along 331 in the next frame you can see cars using it! This is why I hate Google Maps and Google Street View, but that can be discussed in its proper thread...

As far as the C-83A shield, it is still there  :)

I actually took a little jaunt over to Panama City yesterday and found several historical shields still in place. I photographed them all and will probably post them at a later date. I did not, however, come across any historical 7xx series shields but that would have been sweet if I did. Of course they are probably removed but you never know. I will have to make another trip over that way soon.

If I can make it over to Tallahassee sometime soon maybe I will get some Florida 162 pictures to post...
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 05, 2009, 01:13:04 PM
Business U.S. 331 is signed on green guide signs in text for the old route, but not in shields.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on April 05, 2009, 01:14:36 PM
Yes, I did forget about that. And I have pictures of that as well...
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 05, 2009, 01:17:34 PM
I saw no signed for Florida 162 when I took the Exit 203 off-ramp last year:
http://www.southeastroads.com/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_203_07.jpg (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_203_07.jpg)

However, I know that an overhead for the eastbound return ramp was added since that photo was taken, so perhaps S.R. 162 gained a shield? Though, if it was signed, it would be an eastbound only route right?
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 06, 2009, 05:53:17 AM
Thanks for the info, I do look forward to seeing those Panama City pics when they're up. From what I remember, there should have been a keys shield for 389 on Old (now CR?) 22 west of Business 98, and a colored and faded US 231 shield assembly north of town, probably off what was old SR 77A now CR 2321(?). Also, the westernmost CR (30A? now probably 3037) in Panama City Beach near the Walton County Line has an old keys 30A shield on the approach to US 98 dating from when 98 was along Alternate 98. Did they remove the colored 98/Business 98/231 shields from downtown? Also, there could have been some old 392 shields on Clara and Alf Coleman

That's good the C-83A shield is still up.

As per 162, I emailed District 3 and they said it was signed. Is Raymond Diehl now one way EB? Either 61 or 261 should have shields. Glad to see the Panhandle mast arms are quickly popping up everywhere  :rolleyes: I miss not being able to road trip.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 06, 2009, 10:29:13 AM
I'll let flaroadgeek answer you on his sign finds of this past weekend.

As for the downtown Panama City coloured shields, those were all but gone by 2006. The final reverse coloured U.S. 98 business overhead on U.S. 231 south succumbed last year. That leaves just one set of coloured shields on overheads along U.S. 98 west at U.S. 231 of the two groupings.

(http://www.southeastroads.com/florida090/us-098b_eb_at_us-231_nb.jpg)

(http://www.southeastroads.com/florida090/us-098_wb_at_us-231_02.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 06, 2009, 11:29:19 AM
 :D Hope they never take them down.
Title: Florida
Post by: Bryant5493 on April 06, 2009, 11:37:21 AM
^^ I remember going to Florida, about ten years, and seeing the multi-colored US route signs. I wished I was into route signage back then. If I were, I'd have photographed them.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on April 16, 2009, 12:20:41 AM
Couple of new items from the Times-Union, this time in re: I-95...

Title: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on April 16, 2009, 10:20:02 AM
It's bad enough now at the I-10 interchange :-|  Fortunately I won't be on band trips to Disney or Miami by then since I will have graduated :nod: ;-)
Title: Florida
Post by: Norn-Iron on April 20, 2009, 11:35:32 AM
I just visited florida, and my i was heavily impressed by the quality of the roads, even the county routes (particularily Polk and hillsborough county). Although the speed limits are by far unreasonable.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 22, 2009, 06:45:15 PM
I was browsing the FL 61 page on here and Leon County 265 has been decommissioned south of US 27???

I drove through Jax on a trip up to NY last week, and the new Trout River bridge is nice (been about 4 years since I was up there, forgive me). The Clark Road, Owens Road, and FLA 108 overpasses have button-copy on them. Signs on SB I-95 are 'whited out' on the new alignment/bridge of I-95 (you still use the old one for now). Alt 1 (Emerson section) has a lot of old signals on it  :wow:

On 9A, there are no exit numbers, but two interchanges (US 90 and FL 10) have blank exit tabs on the signs. There's still a cutout FL 113 shield going NB.
Title: Florida
Post by: njroadhorse on April 22, 2009, 08:03:35 PM
When is 9A going to become I-295?
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on April 23, 2009, 08:58:22 PM
From what I have been told by someone at FDOT bids go out for signage for the eastern half of Interstate 295 in September with implementation of signing in early 2010.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on April 30, 2009, 06:26:55 PM
I was going through old road photos and does anyone have information on the Tupelo Parkway in Wewahitchka? On Gulf County 22 east of downtown, there is a plaque stating "The Tupelo Parkway designated by the 1967 (either that or '47?) legislature of Florida." It seems like it would have connected with Liberty County 22 in Sumatra, as there is a huge ROW going due east to the Owens Bridge area (no bridge crossing). Liberty County 22 continues eastward, though taking the route of FH 125 to Liberty County 67, but at the another intersection of CR 22 and CR 67, there is another huge ROW going west, undriveable, through the forest. This section of CR 22 goes east from CR 67 to the Ochlockonee River, where it dead ends, but it ties in perfectly with Wakulla County 22 west of Sopchoppy. It seems like it was going to be a more direct through route from Crawfordville/Sopchoppy to Panama City vs. US 98/US 319. I'm curious as to whether NIMBYs or the small coastal towns killed this road, and what its history is, but there is no information; even FDOT didn't get back to me on this.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 13, 2009, 11:54:10 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-alafaya-trail-528-access-051109,0,5727974.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-alafaya-trail-528-access-051109,0,5727974.story)

Alafaya Trail to get access to the BeachLine

6:43 PM EDT, May 11, 2009

Alafaya Trail, the once-rural road in east Orange County now overrun with harried commuters, should get some traffic relief because it will finally be linked to the BeachLine Expressway, Orange County Mayor Rich Crotty promised Monday.

Referring to Alafaya as "the county's biggest cul-de-sac," Crotty said construction of a 2-mile-long link to an existing interchange on the toll road, also known as State Road 528, could start within 90 days and be completed within 18 months.

"This is a very big announcement," he said.

Alafaya, which runs north-south, hosts a plethora of large housing developments, including Waterford Lakes and Avalon Park. Those developments' main connection to downtown Orlando and other employment centers is S.R. 408, another tollway, or crowded local roads such as Colonial Drive and Lake Underhill Road.

There is nothing to the south on Alafaya because the road stops within eyesight of the BeachLine, near Orlando Utilities Commission's power plants.

"It's frustrating. ... They can see the BeachLine, yet not get east-west access to it," Crotty said.

Suburban Land Reserve Inc., a sister company of Deseret Ranch, which is owned by the Mormon Church, will donate the land and pay for construction of what is being called the E-road. It will tie Alafaya in with the BeachLine at an interchange now serving a state prison processing center and International Corporate Park.

The link is expected to cost as much as $10 million. County officials will offset some of that by waiving impact fees; the amount of the waiver is still to be determined, but it could possibly be worth millions.

"We are also proud to be a part of the solution that will provide residents in the East Orange County communities with greater access and mobility options throughout Central Florida," Suburban Land said in a prepared statement.

Suburban Land stands to profit from the arrangement because the E-road would improve access to International Corporate Park, a long-dormant commercial-and-industrial development that the company purchased in September 2007. The Mormon Church also controls the Deseret Ranch, a 300,000-acre working cattle spread just to the east of ICP.

That ranch, which spans parts of Orange, Osceola and Brevard counties, will likely be developed in coming years as Orlando's urban core creeps farther outward. The Orange County Commission recently shelved a request by Suburban Land to extend the government boundary for urban services to include nearly 4,600 acres of its ranch. If it had been approved, it would have opened the door for Deseret to potentially build as many as 10,000 houses, apartments and condominiums.

The prison interchange, which was poorly designed and is lightly used, would never be able to handle the traffic generated by a development of such magnitude. That's why Suburban Land is close to completing another deal with the county and the Orlando Orange County Expressway Authority to build a full, $31 million interchange just to the west of the existing one. Construction would take two years.

A tentative agreement calls for Suburban Land to donate property and design work worth $12.5 million, while the county would spend $6 million and the expressway authority would chip in $12 million.

That interchange would also be a boon to a plan long championed by Crotty called Innovation Way -- a travel corridor that would link the University of Central Florida to the north with ICP to the south and Orlando International Airport and Lake Nona's "medical city" to the southwest.
Title: Florida
Post by: CarlFox on May 14, 2009, 12:51:57 AM
A couple new Jacksonville items...

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-05-12/story/outer_beltway_given_new_life_by_lawmakers (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-05-12/story/outer_beltway_given_new_life_by_lawmakers)

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The Florida Department of Transportation delayed the project last year because of uncertainty about whether the state would charge property taxes on the beltway land. The state doesn’t have the money to build the road and wants to hire a private contractor to build and maintain it while charging tolls — how much is yet to be determined — to recoup its investment.

The uncertainty appeared to end last week,  when the Legislature passed a bill that would exempt a private company from those taxes. Gov. Charlie Crist hasn’t decided whether to sign the bill, spokesman Sterling Ivey  said.

Charles Baldwin,  the transportation department’s district secretary, said the agency began meeting this week about hiring a private contractor.

Interesting development...oh, and they have finished the "exit" to Chaffee Road, and put up the BGS at the intersection of SR 23 (now the "Cecil Commerce Center Parkway" in Duval County, per the City's request; there's already signs near the I-10 interchange with the new name) and 103rd St (SR 134).  Chaffee's southern terminus is now SR 23 instead of 103rd St.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-05-12/story/baldwin_bypass_threatens_small_town_feel (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-05-12/story/baldwin_bypass_threatens_small_town_feel)

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The Florida Department of Transportation has planned a bypass since the 1970s that would take traffic around Baldwin and over two separate railroad tracks. Dormant for years because the state never funded it, the project is now being studied by DOT, which is supposed to identify the best alternative.

U.S. 90 and U.S. 301 merge into one road for about a mile in downtown Baldwin, creating traffic congestion. Where the roads combine, daily traffic is 11,200 vehicles, an increase of several thousand vehicles from the traffic counts of both roads before they combine.

Two CSX railroad tracks also go through the downtown area, creating traffic backups when trains are going through.

A bypass would solve both problems. The state is looking at three separate options, with the cost of those options ranging from $86 million to $135 million. The study doesn’t mean construction is imminent, because there’s no money for it in the state’s five-year plan. But it has support from U.S. Rep. Corrine Brown,  D-Fla., who is looking for federal money.

I had forgotten US 90 and US 301 duplexed in Baldwin...
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 14, 2009, 03:20:10 AM
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I was browsing the FL 61 page on here and Leon County 265 has been decommissioned south of US 27???

That was according to the FDOT shape files and actually driving the road in late 2007. There was only one Leon County 265 shield IIRC east of Florida 61, and no signs until north of U.S. 27 at all. Someday I'll post a page on it with those photos too.

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I had forgotten US 90 and US 301 duplexed in Baldwin...

I drove through Baldwin on U.S. 301 south in December 2006 and have photos of the short overlap too. U.S. 90 also has short cosignings with U.S. 221, U.S. 331, and U.S. 19 around the courthouse in Monticello.

Thanks for posting those Jacksonville area news articles. It appears there is hope for the First Coast Outer Beltway yet. Incidentally the 2010 American Map Company atlas (Geonova base) shows FL-23 as a short freeway leading south from Interstate 10 already.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on May 14, 2009, 03:56:51 AM
Travelers without Sunpass may use SR 414 starting tomorrow. The link between Hiawassee Road and OBT may open in less than two months.

http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/news/PressReleases.aspx?ID=121 (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/news/PressReleases.aspx?ID=121)

NEW EXPRESSWAY OPENS TO ALL MOTORISTS
Posted By: Lindsay Hodges
Release Date:5/12/2009

Expressway Authority Announces the Full Opening of the SR 414 John Land Apopka Expressway
ORLANDO - The Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority (OOCEA) will open State Road 414 John Land Apopka Expressway to all toll customers at noon on Friday, May 15, 2009. All on and off ramps of the SR 414 expressway will also open at this time. This new expressway extends from State Road 429 (Daniel Webster Western Expressway) to Maitland Boulevard at US 441. This is the first new, major Central Florida east-west corridor built in decades, and serves as a bypass around Apopka. It improves access to SR 429, Interstate 4, and employment centers such as the Maitland Center, while relieving congestion on US 441 and many local roads in the greater Apopka area.

Additionally, the SR 414 Coral Hills Main Toll Plaza and all tolled ramps on SR 414 are equipped with Express Lanes that enable E-PASS and SunPass customers to pay tolls electronically at the posted highway speed resulting in better, safer and faster travel on our system.

There will be some limited construction activities following the opening of SR 414. Motorists will be advised through signage on the roadway and alerts will continue to be sent. Final completion of the project is scheduled for early July 2009.

Portions of SR 414 opened in February to E-PASS and SunPass customers only. During this time, construction continued on the Coral Hills Main Toll Plaza and the ramp plazas and the portion of the expressway between Hiawassee Road and Maitland Boulevard at US 441.

The Orlando-Orange County Expressway Authority, established in 1963 by the Florida Legislature, is responsible for the planning, design, construction, operation and maintenance of a 105-mile limited-access expressway system to serve the metropolitan Orlando area. The Expressway Authority's system includes SR 414, SR 408 (Spessard L. Holland East-West Expressway), SR 528 (Martin B. Anderson Beachline Expressway), SR 417 (Central Florida GreeneWay) and SR 429 (Daniel Webster Western Beltway). The Expressway Authority was the first to bring Electronic Toll Collection to Florida with the inception of E-PASS in 1994. Today, there are more than 500,000 E-PASS transponders in use.
Title: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on June 02, 2009, 01:43:50 PM
Of course the infamous First Coast Outer Beltway moves forward thanks to legislation signed by Governor Charlie Crist  :-/ http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-06-01/story/crist_signs_outer_beltway_bill_in_jacksonville (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-06-01/story/crist_signs_outer_beltway_bill_in_jacksonville)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 09, 2009, 04:44:41 AM
Of course the infamous First Coast Outer Beltway moves forward thanks to legislation signed by Governor Charlie Crist  :-/ http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-06-01/story/crist_signs_outer_beltway_bill_in_jacksonville (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-06-01/story/crist_signs_outer_beltway_bill_in_jacksonville)

Yay, another toll road to shell out money in order to clinch it.
Title: Florida
Post by: Tom on June 21, 2009, 10:48:18 AM
Thought this article would go along with this topic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Roads_in_Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Roads_in_Florida) :coffee:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 21, 2009, 01:37:00 PM
Regarding that site, I'm always curious where they get their information (especially on county routes).
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on June 21, 2009, 07:04:02 PM
Find of the day:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-183_eb_at_sr-081.jpg)
An old style directional mileage sign with white background and raised black lettering. Photo taken 06/21/09.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 21, 2009, 08:06:38 PM
I know where that's at!
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on June 21, 2009, 08:39:25 PM
I figured you would know where that is located!  :-P
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 21, 2009, 10:15:40 PM
gotta love that crazy Florida font that almost looks very neatly hand-printed.
Title: Florida
Post by: Hellfighter on June 21, 2009, 11:36:36 PM
Quick question, could I-10 get extended along FL-202 once it's completed?
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 22, 2009, 03:39:26 AM
I figured you would know where that is located!  :-P

 :-D Panhandle <3

Did you find the other one in the opposite direction at a certain intersection?


Quick question, could I-10 get extended along FL-202 once it's completed?

Not sure if 202 is up to interstate standards, and they might have to reformat the I-95 interchange but it would be a nice extension along with an equally nice interstate duplex.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 22, 2009, 10:03:51 PM
Quick question, could I-10 get extended along FL-202 once it's completed?

The only way I could see that happening is if they where to completely redo the JTB (FL-202) interchange with I-95 into something like the Southern I-95/FL-9A/I-295 interchange.  And I don't think there is enought room to do that without buying a lot of ROW.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on June 23, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
Did you find the other one in the opposite direction at a certain intersection?

No, I did not. I turned around just west of the sign and headed back north. After getting home I realized I should have continued west to the next intersection to clinch that particular road. Oh well, next time. Now you have me guessing where you are talking about.

Quick question, could I-10 get extended along FL-202 once it's completed?

Not sure if 202 is up to interstate standards, and they might have to reformat the I-95 interchange but it would be a nice extension along with an equally nice interstate duplex.


It does have interstate grade qualities for the most part and they are currently six-laning a good portion of it from Florida 115 east toward Florida A1A. And there are plans to semi-upgrade the JTB/Interstate 95 interchange: http://www.butler95.com/ (http://www.butler95.com/).
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 24, 2009, 04:55:52 AM
Did you find the other one in the opposite direction at a certain intersection?

No, I did not. I turned around just west of the sign and headed back north. After getting home I realized I should have continued west to the next intersection to clinch that particular road. Oh well, next time. Now you have me guessing where you are talking about.

It was this:

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM007034.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on June 24, 2009, 06:36:00 PM
Yep. I was there, just on the other side!!!! Agh!! I had to make that left turn toward Argyle... :banghead:

Well, I will have to go and look at it in person soon...
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 24, 2009, 09:16:48 PM
At least you're close to it.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on June 25, 2009, 09:29:57 PM
True. I will be making another trip so I can get my own picture of it...yeeessss...

Thanks for showing it to us!
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on June 26, 2009, 02:17:52 PM
Some news on the proposed Jacksonville outerbelt:

Florida DOT restarting concession procurement for Jacksonville Outer Belt (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4226)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 26, 2009, 03:03:48 PM
True. I will be making another trip so I can get my own picture of it...yeeessss...

Thanks for showing it to us!

Not a problem at all! :nod:
Title: Florida
Post by: Tom on June 28, 2009, 10:19:52 AM
Wanted 2 share this attraction I found located on Fla. Hwy 50:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/xmas/2.html (http://www.roadsideamerica.com/xmas/2.html) :coffee:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on June 28, 2009, 02:01:49 PM
Wanted 2 share this attraction I found located on Fla. Hwy 50:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/xmas/2.html (http://www.roadsideamerica.com/xmas/2.html) :coffee:

Some of the streets are named after Santa's reindeer  :nod:
Title: Florida
Post by: Tom on July 02, 2009, 05:03:56 PM
Found these on You Tube (I drove over the bridge in 1983):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMjBGLxMdP4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMjBGLxMdP4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2CA-mLIJrg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2CA-mLIJrg) :coffee:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 03, 2009, 07:33:48 PM
Speaking of this, my mother brought over hard-copy photos and there is one she (most likely) took of the new & improved Sunshine Skyway with a part of the old truss next to it before it was torn down.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 03, 2009, 07:48:01 PM
414 is open all the way to OBT, which is exit 9. There is a nice, tall viaduct you go over and you are able to see downtown Orlando from it while driving eastbound. The whole expressway is 6 lanes, and it's a nice 5 mile drive (if only the area will remain undeveloped). The western end at SR 429 slows to one lane WB, two EB with a 35 MPH speed limit; it ends at CR 437A with a blinker light(!!). There is construction immediately west of that intersection for an overpass. No access yet for NB 429 to EB 414 (you have to exit off CR 437A north to connect), nor is there any access for WB 414 to SB 429 (you have to take CR 437A south to connect). It is exit 31 on SB 429, and the off-ramp has a traffic signal stating "No Turns", so you exit off 429 and you are quickly thrusted onto 414 after passing the light; it's the same if you turn off of CR 437A onto 414, you cannot turn around until the next exit even though there is a signal.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 03, 2009, 11:56:55 PM
Next time I go down to my parents I will have to look through some old photos because they have a couple of the old Skyway intact. I believe they were taken like a couple of months before the May 9th disaster.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 04, 2009, 12:05:38 AM
Did you find the other one in the opposite direction at a certain intersection?

No, I did not. I turned around just west of the sign and headed back north. After getting home I realized I should have continued west to the next intersection to clinch that particular road. Oh well, next time. Now you have me guessing where you are talking about.

It was this:

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM007034.jpg)

Well, I took another road trip today to the east and thought I would share this with you, florida...

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-280_app_cr-183_walton_co.jpg)
The replacement for the raised black lettering on white background Argyle guide sign, along with a typical Walton County county road assembly. Photo taken 07/03/09.

As you can see, another great piece of Florida history gets removed in favor for this...
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 04, 2009, 12:24:23 AM
I smell pictures coming to this thread....
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 04, 2009, 12:38:05 AM
Walton County  :banghead:  :pan: You should see their "Florida State Line" sign at one of the county routes, or the "Church" sign.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 04, 2009, 01:56:21 AM
Here are some pictures:

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7030109.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7030119.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7030120.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7030121.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 04, 2009, 11:50:44 AM
On a trip to Mobile back in December 2008 we were about to cross the Florida/Alabama border when we saw an 18-wheeler hauling some of the guide signs for the TOLL 414! We thought it was pretty cool that we got to see them in transit, though it passed us so quickly we neglected to get a photograph... :no:
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 04, 2009, 11:51:35 AM
Next time I talk to the parents I will see if they can find those pics and send them my way... :nod:
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 04, 2009, 11:56:20 AM
Yeah, the signage in Walton County does not inspire....no....

Hopefully the guide sign at the other end (at Florida 81) does not get replaced any time soon. Luckily though we have it photographed several times.

I will have to check out the "Florida State Line" sign on my next trip through there. I cannot recall if I have seen their "church" sign... :confused:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 04, 2009, 11:44:11 PM
It's quite amusing, it's a picture of a block/triangle house with what looks like a small cross in the roof.  :-D

On a side note, I-95 is 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528 with work remaining down to CR 509 or further. There is a new overpass (and exit?) at Mile 188...could be a Pineda Causeway extension? At the SR 514 exit, they must've added an extra lane on the SB off-ramp, because there are overhead BGSs recognizing Brevard CR 514 along with SR 514 as opposed to the trailblazers for SR 514 that used to be at the ramp (those are gone). Exit 120 in Port St. Lucie is the Crosstown Parkway, and it's open from I-95 to the east (probably US 1). Seems like it's a limited access parkway with at-grade intersections. Also, one of the BGSs for Exit 129 (SR 70) has a button copy exit tab on it. 
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 05, 2009, 06:26:54 AM
On a trip to Mobile back in December 2008 we were about to cross the Florida/Alabama border when we saw an 18-wheeler hauling some of the guide signs for the TOLL 414! We thought it was pretty cool that we got to see them in transit, though it passed us so quickly we neglected to get a photograph... :no:

I once raced one of the Trolleys for the T here in Pittsburgh on it's way South from Buffalo (at least I think it was coming from there after being built) to Pittsburgh on I-90/I-79. :sombrero:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 05, 2009, 04:02:12 PM
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM006269.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM006270.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM006276.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM006304.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: Hellfighter on July 05, 2009, 05:39:02 PM
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM006270.jpg)

What type of sign is that?  :confused:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 05, 2009, 05:44:10 PM
It's one of the follies of Walton County  :spin: There's a small cross on the roof. 
Title: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on July 09, 2009, 11:01:20 AM
The replacement for the raised black lettering on white background Argyle guide sign, along with a typical Walton County county road assembly. Photo taken 07/03/09.

As you can see, another great piece of Florida history gets removed in favor for this...
Scratch one stop off my list for December.  Thanks, Walton County.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 09, 2009, 11:12:07 AM
does that white Florida State Line sign have buttons in it?  (The regular one, not the shitty Walton County product!)
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 09, 2009, 11:50:43 AM
does that white Florida State Line sign have buttons in it?  (The regular one, not the shitty Walton County product!)

If that is the one near the state high point, then there are no buttons on it. I've seen it a couple of times myself.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 10, 2009, 03:21:46 PM
It is the one near the highest point, and Alex is right.

Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 13, 2009, 09:53:27 PM
Oh the relics of the Panhandle! Gadsden County has some ancient black-on-white signs like that, along with a couple of the old-school Florida shields. There's even a goofy NJ-style shield for SR 65 along CR 65B.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 13, 2009, 10:19:20 PM
do you happen to have a photo of the Boring Circle Shield (tm)?
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 14, 2009, 12:50:35 AM
I have one in my collection. There is one other photo in the erroneous shields thread of SR 267 getting circle-ized.


(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM006486.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM006520.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 14, 2009, 08:13:06 AM
the 65 is bad, the 267 is worse.  I forget where else I have seen a similar shield (rectangular blank, perfect circle inside, yielding extra left and right margins)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 14, 2009, 12:59:12 PM
There must be a lot of people who have a literal take on the job of signing roads. "Well, if it's a circle on the map, then..."
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 19, 2009, 01:06:35 AM
There are BBS up on SR 50 stating the widening from Semoran Bv/436 to Dean Road will be done by Summer 2010.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 20, 2009, 03:37:36 AM
Just skimming through the new report (7/7/09)...

-SR 5098 has been decommissioned.
-SR 812 has been commissioned on Hooker Highway between SR 715 and US 441 in Belle Glade.
-The street name for World Center Drive east of SR 535 states, "CR 536/World Center Drive", the first time that's been stated.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2009, 09:15:09 AM
Just skimming through the new report (7/7/09)...

-SR 5098 has been decommissioned.
-SR 812 has been commissioned on Hooker Highway between SR 715 and US 441 in Belle Glade.
-The street name for World Center Drive east of SR 535 states, "CR 536/World Center Drive", the first time that's been stated.

I was just looking at the most current copy of the GIS Route files and noticed that US-98/301 Business in Dade City is still alive even after the decommissioning with the AASHTO.  According to the GIS, the main approaches are still on the books as the twin business routes.

From the looks of the data, it seems the Northern part ends @ Pond Ave, and the Southern part goes only as far as Southview Ave.  This also goes for the state route numbers 700 & 35.  Anybody have any reason why those small segments would still be on the books?

Also, it seems that US-98 has a GAP in Lakeland. :wow:  Somebody please tell me that they forgot the small segment there in the GIS.  I don't want to have to split up the US-98 @ the Clinched Highway site..... :banghead:

And florida (or anybody else), do you know of any "official" route logs besides what info on the routes I can get in the GIS files?

Also, any roadgeek that works on the FL State Highway pages on Wikipedia might want to go in and fix up the FL-30E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Road_30E_(Florida)) page or even separate it from the FL-30A page.  The Route is still alive and well, but the wikipedia page says it's dead.  I decided to double check on this via StreetView (yes, they have it in that area) when I noticed it was still listed in the GIS files, and the route is posted.  Here's the Streetview view (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=29.687132,-85.309026&spn=0,359.777012&z=13&layer=c&cbll=29.687132,-85.309026&panoid=y1mz5zGYS2Loj2-FVMXM7g&cbp=12,196.4,,0,2.37)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 20, 2009, 02:17:02 PM
Just skimming through the new report (7/7/09)...

-SR 5098 has been decommissioned.
-SR 812 has been commissioned on Hooker Highway between SR 715 and US 441 in Belle Glade.
-The street name for World Center Drive east of SR 535 states, "CR 536/World Center Drive", the first time that's been stated.

I was just looking at the most current copy of the GIS Route files and noticed that US-98/301 Business in Dade City is still alive even after the decommissioning with the AASHTO.  According to the GIS, the main approaches are still on the books as the twin business routes.

From the looks of the data, it seems the Northern part ends @ Pond Ave, and the Southern part goes only as far as Southview Ave.  This also goes for the state route numbers 700 & 35.  Anybody have any reason why those small segments would still be on the books?

Also, it seems that US-98 has a GAP in Lakeland. :wow:  Somebody please tell me that they forgot the small segment there in the GIS.  I don't want to have to split up the US-98 @ the Clinched Highway site..... :banghead:

And florida (or anybody else), do you know of any "official" route logs besides what info on the routes I can get in the GIS files?

Also, any roadgeek that works on the FL State Highway pages on Wikipedia might want to go in and fix up the FL-30E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Road_30E_(Florida)) page or even separate it from the FL-30A page.  The Route is still alive and well, but the wikipedia page says it's dead.  I decided to double check on this via StreetView (yes, they have it in that area) when I noticed it was still listed in the GIS files, and the route is posted.  Here's the Streetview view (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=29.687132,-85.309026&spn=0,359.777012&z=13&layer=c&cbll=29.687132,-85.309026&panoid=y1mz5zGYS2Loj2-FVMXM7g&cbp=12,196.4,,0,2.37)

FDOT is like that when maintaining roads, they'll decommission a road, but still maintain the approaches. Other examples are SR 30B in downtown Pensacola which is an old alignment of an SR 30 spur on Gregory St, but Gregory St was realigned around the Civic Center, yet the old routing is still maintained (it's now Gregory Place or Plaza, can't remember), and SR 557.

That break in US 98 has always been shown as one ever since they realigned it 3-4 years ago. It is signed through. I don't know why they haven't connected it yet, but there is another "break" in Destin at the old alignment.

Wikipedia is crap when it comes to Florida State Routes. They list an SR 30A in Walton County when it is CR 30A, and they state that SR 800 runs west of US 1, which it does not. Don't expect much from them, it's probably several people doing overzealous updating. 30E is still very much alive.

Not sure if you know, but Business US 1 in St. Augustine has had its northern terminus truncated to the Castillo de San Marcos. It probably is signed as a through route for continuity.

I don't know of any "official" route logs except for the Fed-Aid report, but I would like to make one and keep it updated using the information they provide. And not on Wikipedia, they're such Nazis over there...stub this and stub that, this article needs cleaned up, you need to provde citations  :banghead: :ded: How am I supposed to write a 5 paragraph essay on an SR that is less than a mile long?

The Fed-Aid maps on FDOT's site are the best thing you can use to check for state routes because they update them every month during Hurricane Season (at least).
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 20, 2009, 05:56:47 PM
Just skimming through the new report (7/7/09)...

-SR 5098 has been decommissioned.
-SR 812 has been commissioned on Hooker Highway between SR 715 and US 441 in Belle Glade.
-The street name for World Center Drive east of SR 535 states, "CR 536/World Center Drive", the first time that's been stated.

I was just looking at the most current copy of the GIS Route files and noticed that US-98/301 Business in Dade City is still alive even after the decommissioning with the AASHTO.  According to the GIS, the main approaches are still on the books as the twin business routes.

From the looks of the data, it seems the Northern part ends @ Pond Ave, and the Southern part goes only as far as Southview Ave.  This also goes for the state route numbers 700 & 35.  Anybody have any reason why those small segments would still be on the books?

Also, it seems that US-98 has a GAP in Lakeland. :wow:  Somebody please tell me that they forgot the small segment there in the GIS.  I don't want to have to split up the US-98 @ the Clinched Highway site..... :banghead:

And florida (or anybody else), do you know of any "official" route logs besides what info on the routes I can get in the GIS files?

Also, any roadgeek that works on the FL State Highway pages on Wikipedia might want to go in and fix up the FL-30E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Road_30E_(Florida)) page or even separate it from the FL-30A page.  The Route is still alive and well, but the wikipedia page says it's dead.  I decided to double check on this via StreetView (yes, they have it in that area) when I noticed it was still listed in the GIS files, and the route is posted.  Here's the Streetview view (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=29.687132,-85.309026&spn=0,359.777012&z=13&layer=c&cbll=29.687132,-85.309026&panoid=y1mz5zGYS2Loj2-FVMXM7g&cbp=12,196.4,,0,2.37)

What GIS files are you looking at? The ones from FDOT's website are derived from the Roadway Characteristics Inventory (RCI), which I work with at District 4. Whatever the attribute data in the shapefiles say is pretty much correct, unless there are errors in RCI (which there are, it's not perfect).

I can provide you with official mileage of roads. Whenever I get some down time at work, I can get them for you.
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 20, 2009, 05:59:17 PM
BTW, the FDOT shapefiles are updated monthly. Any changes in the RCI would be reflected in the shapefiles in the following month.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 20, 2009, 11:17:13 PM
Just skimming through the new report (7/7/09)...

-SR 5098 has been decommissioned.
-SR 812 has been commissioned on Hooker Highway between SR 715 and US 441 in Belle Glade.
-The street name for World Center Drive east of SR 535 states, "CR 536/World Center Drive", the first time that's been stated.

I was just looking at the most current copy of the GIS Route files and noticed that US-98/301 Business in Dade City is still alive even after the decommissioning with the AASHTO.  According to the GIS, the main approaches are still on the books as the twin business routes.

From the looks of the data, it seems the Northern part ends @ Pond Ave, and the Southern part goes only as far as Southview Ave.  This also goes for the state route numbers 700 & 35.  Anybody have any reason why those small segments would still be on the books?

Also, it seems that US-98 has a GAP in Lakeland. :wow:  Somebody please tell me that they forgot the small segment there in the GIS.  I don't want to have to split up the US-98 @ the Clinched Highway site..... :banghead:

And florida (or anybody else), do you know of any "official" route logs besides what info on the routes I can get in the GIS files?

Also, any roadgeek that works on the FL State Highway pages on Wikipedia might want to go in and fix up the FL-30E (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Road_30E_(Florida)) page or even separate it from the FL-30A page.  The Route is still alive and well, but the wikipedia page says it's dead.  I decided to double check on this via StreetView (yes, they have it in that area) when I noticed it was still listed in the GIS files, and the route is posted.  Here's the Streetview view (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=29.687132,-85.309026&spn=0,359.777012&z=13&layer=c&cbll=29.687132,-85.309026&panoid=y1mz5zGYS2Loj2-FVMXM7g&cbp=12,196.4,,0,2.37)

What GIS files are you looking at? The ones from FDOT's website are derived from the Roadway Characteristics Inventory (RCI), which I work with at District 4. Whatever the attribute data in the shapefiles say is pretty much correct, unless there are errors in RCI (which there are, it's not perfect).

I can provide you with official mileage of roads. Whenever I get some down time at work, I can get them for you.

I'm downloading the data from here: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/gis/road.shtm (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/gis/road.shtm)
Title: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 21, 2009, 11:14:27 AM
On a side note, I-95 is 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528 with work remaining down to CR 509 or further. There is a new overpass (and exit?) at Mile 188...could be a Pineda Causeway extension? At the SR 514 exit, they must've added an extra lane on the SB off-ramp, because there are overhead BGSs recognizing Brevard CR 514 along with SR 514 as opposed to the trailblazers for SR 514 that used to be at the ramp (those are gone).

Did they finally open the new lanes north of SR-519? It's about time. And yes, they're going to 6-lane it all the way down to Palm Bay Rd (CR-516). The new exit will be the Pineda Causeway extension that they've been talking about for the past 20 years. They're finally getting around to building it.

I've always wondered about the Pineda Causeway's number. It's signed SR-404, but isn't anywhere near SR-50, let alone north of it! I wonder what they were thinking when they did that...
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 21, 2009, 12:12:51 PM
On a side note, I-95 is 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528 with work remaining down to CR 509 or further. There is a new overpass (and exit?) at Mile 188...could be a Pineda Causeway extension? At the SR 514 exit, they must've added an extra lane on the SB off-ramp, because there are overhead BGSs recognizing Brevard CR 514 along with SR 514 as opposed to the trailblazers for SR 514 that used to be at the ramp (those are gone).



Did they finally open the new lanes north of SR-519? It's about time. And yes, they're going to 6-lane it all the way down to Palm Bay Rd (CR-516). The new exit will be the Pineda Causeway extension that they've been talking about for the past 20 years. They're finally getting around to building it.

I've always wondered about the Pineda Causeway's number. It's signed SR-404, but isn't anywhere near SR-50, let alone north of it! I wonder what they were thinking when they did that...

Yep, it's 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528. Since it'll be the extension, will the whole thing become SR 404 after it's completed? I think some numbers are outside of the grid to differentiate them as more important roads than other roads in the area, so you can identify them easier. SR 404 is a limited access freeway serving Patrick AFB while all the other 5xx numbers in the area are at grade roads. SR 573 is south of SR 60 in Tampa, but it serves MacDill AFB, as opposed to other 6xx routes in the area. SR 112 in Miami is a direct route to MIA.

Get ready to say bye to the oldest BGS in the area, down there.
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 21, 2009, 11:17:36 PM
Few odds and ends......


Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 22, 2009, 02:56:17 AM
SR 30E is only signed with a junction shield from SR 30A southbound. No signage exists for it on CR-30A westbound, and I didn't notice any shielding on SR 30E leading away from the 30A combo either.

The shape files for FDOT do include a number of unsigned routes, and in Seminole, a handful of the 4000 series county roads. One change I noted from files last year and the ones from earlier this year is that they extended SR 750 west to SR 291 (still not signed in the field), and they readded CR-437A in Orange County.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 22, 2009, 02:58:47 AM
SR 30E is only signed with a junction shield from SR 30A southbound. No signage exists for it on CR-30A westbound, and I didn't notice any shielding on SR 30E leading away from the 30A combo either.

Wish Google would go back there.  Those StreetView images are horrible with all that glare.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 22, 2009, 03:15:55 AM
SR 30E is only signed with a junction shield from SR 30A southbound. No signage exists for it on CR-30A westbound, and I didn't notice any shielding on SR 30E leading away from the 30A combo either.

Wish Google would go back there.  Those StreetView images are horrible with all that glare.

Yes, they shot images during the morning in the Gulf/Franklin County areas and the images are glared to death.

Flaroadgeek and I drove there late last month and shot most of the junctions. Someday they'll get posted online...
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 22, 2009, 03:55:19 AM
Few odds and ends......

  • The new interchange at I-95 and Becker Road in Port St. Lucie is confirmed to be Exit 114, not 113 like some sources I have found. Our design office confirmed this.
  • There was a proposed SR 881 in Boca Raton. Apparently, there was a proposal to bring the access road to the Boca Raton Airport on system, and 881 was the proposed number. I don't know what happened to the idea - some more paperwork will need to be dug up
  • There appears to never have been a record of Palmetto Park Road in Boca Raton ever being SR 798. No records for SR 798 (or CR 798 for that matter) exist in FDOT's RCI. However, Palmetto Park Road from US 1 to A1A is in fact "secret" CR 808.
  • Someone had asked a question about SR 710. It did have a former eastern terminus at US 1. However, it was transferred off system officially as of May 16, 2002, and was physically removed by the Port of Palm Beach.



Very interesting! I'm curious about SR 881. About SR/CR 798, FDOT county maps have had it shielded as a CR west to US 441, and I think I've got a map that shows it as an SR in a very short section east of I-95 (back in the 70s to early 80s).

Do you have any knowledge about "planning maps"? I have a set of maps for both primary and secondary systems which have planned and proposed routes along with maintained routes on them. They have a handwritten date stating, "Revised 11/28/87" (for example). There are also drawers full of maps of 4-di planned routes in the TSO in Tallahassee (and so many papers from the 1950s-1970s  :wow: ).

I gotta get a job at FDOT!  :-D


For SR 30E, there should be just one reassurance shield for westbound, there was nothing at the western terminus, just a pavement change (as of '04).
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 22, 2009, 05:38:34 PM
I found out today that there is a secret route in Tallahassee........Raymond Diehl Rd between Thomasville Rd and Capital Circle is apparently SR 162, and was commissioned in August 2006. I can tell you that since that time, I never saw a shield along it's glorious 0.3 miles (I just moved from Tallahassee in May after living there for 7 years).

Capital Circle NE also has a couple of I-10 shields with the state's name on them. And SR 261 is signed (which is supposed to be secret), while US 319 plays second fiddle to it. District 3 seems be rather odd at times. Which would also explain the 30 and 30A saga.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 22, 2009, 06:08:02 PM
I found out today that there is a secret route in Tallahassee........Raymond Diehl Rd between Thomasville Rd and Capital Circle is apparently SR 162, and was commissioned in August 2006. I can tell you that since that time, I never saw a shield along it's glorious 0.3 miles (I just moved from Tallahassee in May after living there for 7 years).

Capital Circle NE also has a couple of I-10 shields with the state's name on them. And SR 261 is signed (which is supposed to be secret), while US 319 plays second fiddle to it. District 3 seems be rather odd at times. Which would also explain the 30 and 30A saga.

District 3 said SR 162 was (or maybe would be) signed. This was back in '06 or '07.

There were trailblazers for SR 261/US 319 on CR 151 NB before it was widened, there could still be some on SR 162, and there was a dual reassurance shield south of US 90 for US 319/SR 261. I miss Tallahassee, it was very scenic up there.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 22, 2009, 08:15:57 PM
I found out today that there is a secret route in Tallahassee........Raymond Diehl Rd between Thomasville Rd and Capital Circle is apparently SR 162, and was commissioned in August 2006. I can tell you that since that time, I never saw a shield along it's glorious 0.3 miles (I just moved from Tallahassee in May after living there for 7 years).

Capital Circle NE also has a couple of I-10 shields with the state's name on them. And SR 261 is signed (which is supposed to be secret), while US 319 plays second fiddle to it. District 3 seems be rather odd at times. Which would also explain the 30 and 30A saga.

District 3 said SR 162 was (or maybe would be) signed. This was back in '06 or '07.

There were trailblazers for SR 261/US 319 on CR 151 NB before it was widened, there could still be some on SR 162, and there was a dual reassurance shield south of US 90 for US 319/SR 261. I miss Tallahassee, it was very scenic up there.

Well I was there in June and Florida 162 is not signed at this time. Most of the construction along at corridor was pretty much completed when I went through there and saw no indications for any signs. The only signs I saw were trailblazers for the 10 and the 319...
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on July 23, 2009, 12:15:08 AM
Just got back from a few days in Panama City Beach. 

Both directions took I-10 from Alabama to Crestview.  SR 85 south to Niceville.  Then a combination of SR 20 and Toll SR 293 to US 98 to PCB.

Quick notes: 

Loved how Old 98 is fully signed as SR 30 in PCB. 
US 98 from Destin to PCB is a great high speed road. 
Took a side trip to Gulf County... Parked my car at the Bay/Gulf Coutny line on US 98 and walked back and forth of the beach watching my cell phone's time keep changing time zones.  Yeah, I'm a time zone geek.  SR 30A is a fun little highway.  It's amazing how quiet the Forgotten Coast really is. 

US 98 t hrough Panama City takes forever to get through.  It's like 12 miles from St. Andrews Bay to Tyndall.  US 98 is also a mess from Gulf Breeze through Destin.  It's time for the Tpk people to take a look at a building a toll road from Avalon Blvd. area to Panama City.  In fact, with a quick eye,  there appears to be a way to extend this Emerald Coast Tpk through PAnama City.  My little plan is to route it into the city by way of the airport since that is moving.  Then I snake it east and south through some undeveloped land and "cheap" property.  In Okaloosa and Walton it would have to be north of the Choctawhatchee Bay.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 23, 2009, 03:19:07 AM
Just got back from a few days in Panama City Beach. 


Loved how Old 98 is fully signed as SR 30 in PCB. 

So they did sign old Alt 98 as SR 30? Was wondering about that.

Well I was there in June and Florida 162 is not signed at this time. Most of the construction along at corridor was pretty much completed when I went through there and saw no indications for any signs. The only signs I saw were trailblazers for the 10 and the 319...

Maybe it'll be signed in the future  :poke:

(From an email to Tommie Speights):

"I was recently viewing the Fed-Aid Report and noticed that SR 162 (RaymondDiehl Road) has been added in Tallahassee. Is it signed or unsigned?

Signed"

Maybe he misunderstood the question?  :poke:

Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 23, 2009, 09:38:58 PM
Just got back from a few days in Panama City Beach. 

Both directions took I-10 from Alabama to Crestview.  SR 85 south to Niceville.  Then a combination of SR 20 and Toll SR 293 to US 98 to PCB.

Did you note the new mast arms on SR 85 through Eglin AFB?

 

US 98 t hrough Panama City takes forever to get through.  It's like 12 miles from St. Andrews Bay to Tyndall. 


Did you note that they ripped out the remaining segments of the original truss bridge over the bay east of the Dupont Bridge? If you don't remember it, its pictured here: http://www.southeastroads.com/florida090/us-098_wb_dupont_br_02.jpg (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida090/us-098_wb_dupont_br_02.jpg)


So they did sign old Alt 98 as SR 30? Was wondering about that.


There is only one U.S. 98 Alt shield remaining, at the Publix shopping center by the west end. The rest is fully signed as SR 30 now, including overhead guide signage.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 23, 2009, 11:11:35 PM
There is only one U.S. 98 Alt shield remaining, at the Publix shopping center by the west end. The rest is fully signed as SR 30 now, including overhead guide signage.

And I took several pictures of it while I sat in the Publix parking lot for two blistering hot hours while waiting for a tow truck a month ago!!
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 23, 2009, 11:19:00 PM

Did you note the new mast arms on SR 85 through Eglin AFB?


Alex, you are incorrect. They will be span wire. I first noticed the support structures for the span wire as I made my way up to Crestview a few weeks ago. The future signal will serve a new entrance for the Duke Field complex. Though I am not 100% sure if the signal will be flashing or phased.  :eyebrow: 
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 24, 2009, 02:09:53 AM
Speaking of Niceville, what's the deal with SR 190 and SR 397? SR 190 is totally off the SHS, and so is SR 397 from SR 190 to SR 85.


And they're actually installing a span wire assembly in the Panhandle?? That must be one of the signs!  :evilgrin:

Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 25, 2009, 11:15:11 AM
Both routes are still fully signed (since I see them 5 days a week). That is interesting that both are off the SHS. Do you know how long they have been off the books?

And, yes, they are actually installing a span wire assembly up here. I think it will be a flasher though and not a full phased signal.

Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on July 25, 2009, 03:17:35 PM
Both routes are still fully signed (since I see them 5 days a week). That is interesting that both are off the SHS. Do you know how long they have been off the books?

And, yes, they are actually installing a span wire assembly up here. I think it will be a flasher though and not a full phased signal.



I can check in our RCI system at work on Monday for official dates.
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on July 27, 2009, 03:27:11 PM
Does anyone know if the 4-laning is complete on SR 60 from the Turnpike to I-95??
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 28, 2009, 01:30:39 AM
Does anyone know if the 4-laning is complete on SR 60 from the Turnpike to I-95??

It has to be done, it's been about 4 years.


Went on a couple of road trips over the weekend to Melbourne and Lakeland.

Melbourne:
-US 192 is four-laned between St. Cloud and Melbourne. It bypasses the old alignment between Osceola CR 532 and CR 500A (Old Melbourne Hwy), and is a frontage road signed Alligator Lake West and Alligator Lake East with a break at a creek connecting Lake Lizzie and Alligator Lake. The bridge on the old alignment was dismantled and a pedestrian bridge was put in its place.
-The west end of the Pineda Causeway has been realigned at CR 509 and is shielded as a state route between CR 509 and US 1 (it previously was a county route). So...will it be state all the way to I-95? I assume it would since it will provide direct service to an AFB.
-There is still a cutout SR 404 shield on a BGS on SR 513 NB at the Pineda Causeway. The counterpart cutout SR 513 bgs shield on SR 404 has been replaced, probably after the '04 hurricanes.
-Only two shields for CR 511 were found, and CR 509 is only signed at US 192.
-SR 513 is being widened to add a center turn lane (it seems).
-There are old (non-keys) SR 518 shields on Pineapple Avenue south at Eau Gallie Blvd.
-A few intersections had "bee lights" on the span wires.
-Osceola CR 419 is one of the best signed routes in that county.

Lakeland:
-SR 548, the downtown bypass, is almost ready to open from US 98/Florida Ave to George Jenkins/Sloan Ave. It will have at-grade intersections with SR 563 just north of Peachtree Street and Lake Wire and SR 539 just north of SR 563, and be on a bridge over some railroad tracks. It would be nice if they signed it as SR 548 all the way to US 92 to get rid of that leg of SR 600.
-There is one colored shield left in a certain city in Polk County (last saw it in 2005). It is perplexing why they would have it at this certain intersection since it doesn't seem this road carried a state or county designation.
-There are still old overheads for US 17 on the old alignment through downtown Winter Haven.
-SR 655 is having some sort of construction on its northern terminus at US 92, so there are detour US 655 shields in place  :-D Every. Single. One.
-SR 620 has two shields on its northern end with the split-off with SR 655. The south end is still signed as SR 655.
-Hillsborough CR 39A is signed as State Route 39A, reassurances and all from I-4 to about SR 574......are they redesignating it as an SR since it's a truck route bypassing downtown Plant City? It's not on the county road system anymore as per the 2008 FHD CD.
-CR 39B has two shields on its route. (I like suffixed routes.)
-Old SR 33 and old SR 600 in downtown Lakeland have streetscaping done, complete with those ugly brick crosswalks. But the trailblazers on US 92 have not been changed and still show SR 33 as going south.
-Even though US 98 has been moved off of Lake Parker, it is not signed as SR 700 unlike what they did in Brooksville.
-Offbeat, there's a picturesque view on Clubhouse Road looking EB.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 28, 2009, 04:44:14 PM
Some pictures:
US 192/US 441 EB at Old US 192/441, just after CR 532.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250073.jpg)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250074.jpg)

Looking WB on the old route, with the pedestrian bridge in place of a vehicular bridge.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250076.jpg)

WB at CR 500A, and Old US 192/441.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250080.jpg)

Old turn lanes for CR 500A on the old route
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250084.jpg)

Kinda makes you glad they widened it.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250086.jpg)

CR 534 east at US 192/441, they realigned the routing from that nasty curve.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250090.jpg)

Holopaw, after the widening. The EB lanes (same direction of the camera shot) were the old roadbed.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250095.jpg)

This sign is so old, it doesn't even reflect headlights at night. If they didn't paste the "Eau Gallie Blvd" sticker on it, you would not have a working advance sign.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250104.jpg)

The new routing of the Pineda Causeway on CR 509.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250128.jpg)

Cutout BGS on SR 513.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250133.jpg)

Old SR 518 shields on Pineapple Ave. Why trailblazers on this road?
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250148.jpg)

Just incase you forget which way to escape Melbourne.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250179.jpg)

State name shields on SR 519.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250353.jpg)

Barton Blvd west at SR 519. Again, why trailblazers here?
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250361.jpg)

Michigan Ave west at SR 501. Third time, why a trailblazer here?
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7250428.jpg)

SR 546 does get recognition  :biggrin:
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7260213.jpg)

Is this one of the newest state routes to be added??
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7260222.jpg)

Yay for suffixed routes! (If only Bay County would sign theirs.)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7260229.jpg)

Once upon a time, in a fictional land, US 55 did exist in Florida......and this is all that's left.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7260472.jpg)

Nice of you to still be standing!
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7260478.jpg)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7260479.jpg)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7260480.jpg)

And the same for this!
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7260490.jpg)

SR 620 gets recognized after ~8 years.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7260494.jpg)

For rickmastfan67, there's not really a break, if you don't consider it to be one  ;-)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7260517.jpg)

And looking west at the almost-completed extension of SR 548.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P7260518.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 28, 2009, 05:25:52 PM
are there any new I-4 shields with state name?  I've seen them for just about every other route in Florida.  Also, any 110, 175, 375, 395?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on July 28, 2009, 07:24:34 PM
are there any new I-4 shields with state name?  I've seen them for just about every other route in Florida.  Also, any 110, 175, 375, 395?
See the top of my I-4 page for one that's fairly new.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on July 28, 2009, 07:30:05 PM
you mean the one at the very top of the page? 

I know who put the state name on there.  It sure wasn't FDOT.  Note that it hangs crooked!
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 28, 2009, 07:47:01 PM
None yet for I-4 unless work goes on at an interchange along it (not counting SR 44 because there haven't been any state name shields there since it was widened).
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on July 28, 2009, 10:11:46 PM
you mean the one at the very top of the page? 

I know who put the state name on there.  It sure wasn't FDOT.  Note that it hangs crooked!
Guess that answers that.  I've seen enough sloppy contractors to not be surprised though if it WERE original.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 28, 2009, 10:23:42 PM
you mean the one at the very top of the page? 

I know who put the state name on there.  It sure wasn't FDOT.  Note that it hangs crooked!
Guess that answers that.  I've seen enough sloppy contractors to not be surprised though if it WERE original.

There's only one shield left of his work, and it is the last remaining I-110 with Florida in it.

The I-4 Florida shield mentioned above was moved one block away, then replaced completely by early last year.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 29, 2009, 02:50:02 AM
Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.

SR 742 has been added to Hilburn Ave between Creighton and Burgess.

The US 1/Skypass Bridge over the Port of Palm Beach is now state maintained.

A couple sections of SR 44 in Volusia County have been physically removed (and thus, deleted), with another new section added. Even the old routing of SR 414 at US 441 has been deleted, its paltry 0.247 miles  :biggrin:

No sign of SR 190/397 or the new alignment of US 192/441 in the updated report. I'll have to ask about that.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 29, 2009, 12:39:27 PM
Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.


So SR 366 and 371 end at the stadium now? I liked the surface street routing of SR 371 and 366 east to downtown. Its hard to find downtown state highways anymore, so this is a bummer. SR 157's demise was pretty much necessary, since FSU redesigned some of their streets, severing the Woodward Avenue connection between SR 366 and U.S. 90.


SR 742 has been added to Hilburn Ave between Creighton and Burgess.


So the extension of Creighton west to Burgess is on hold indefinitely now?


A couple sections of SR 44 in Volusia County have been physically removed (and thus, deleted), with another new section added. Even the old routing of SR 414 at US 441 has been deleted, its paltry 0.247 miles  :biggrin:


This must refer to that section of old New York Avenue west of the revised Exit 118 interchange that was still in the state system as SR 44.

http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=29.017673~-81.241643&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1 (http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=29.017673~-81.241643&style=h&lvl=15&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on July 29, 2009, 01:30:16 PM
Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.


So SR 366 and 371 end at the stadium now? I liked the surface street routing of SR 371 and 366 east to downtown. Its hard to find downtown state highways anymore, so this is a bummer. SR 157's demise was pretty much necessary, since FSU redesigned some of their streets, severing the Woodward Avenue connection between SR 366 and U.S. 90.


They were nice rides through downtown Tallahassee. And they do end at Stadium Drive and Lake Bradford intersection. Wish I could have seen the SR 366 bridge over the old RR tracks before they upgraded the stadium.

They weeded out SR 968 from downtown Miami, and killed its third leg in '06, SR 80 out of Fort Myers, SR 5 out of WPB. Tampa and Jacksonville haven't been that affected.
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on August 01, 2009, 05:48:44 PM
Even more changes! Just read an email from FDOT.

SR 366, SR 371, SR 157 have all been decommissioned east of the FSU stadium. SR 366 and SR 371 now end at the intersection where they meet, leaving SR 363 as the last 3-di route "serving" downtown Tallahassee.

SR 742 has been added to Hilburn Ave between Creighton and Burgess.

The US 1/Skypass Bridge over the Port of Palm Beach is now state maintained.

A couple sections of SR 44 in Volusia County have been physically removed (and thus, deleted), with another new section added. Even the old routing of SR 414 at US 441 has been deleted, its paltry 0.247 miles  :biggrin:

No sign of SR 190/397 or the new alignment of US 192/441 in the updated report. I'll have to ask about that.

The Skypass Bridge has been a source of contention at work at the FDOT District 4 planning office. We transferred the section of US 1 to the Port of Palm Beach back in 2001, but apparently it was forgotten that we were granted "air rights" - meaning that old, at-grade part of US 1 that is now used for port storage, belongs to the port, but the elevated structure that carries US 1 belongs to FDOT. I received a nice packet of documentation confirming this a couple of weeks ago, and we just updated our RCI database to re-add this mileage as part of US 1.

I am really surprised about the deletion of SR 366 in Tally. I knew 371 was transferred as part of the Gaines Street project that the city is doing (complete idiocy if you ask me, but that's another story).

We received confirmation last week that Wilton Manors is not interested in taking over their portion of SR 811. Once the proposal to transfer the road to them reached the City Manager's office, he killed it, giving lack of money of the city as the reason in the email correspondence. We are still actively pursuing the transfer of the remaining sections of 811, particularly to Broward County and Oakland Park.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 01, 2009, 07:17:27 PM
Thomasvista, what is the Gaines Street project that Tally's doing? Are they adding in parking spots and reducing the road to two lanes (a la Edgewater Drive in Orlando)?

Is FDOT trying to delete ALL of SR 811 in Broward County? Or just a certain section?
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on August 01, 2009, 09:55:04 PM
Thomasvista, what is the Gaines Street project that Tally's doing? Are they adding in parking spots and reducing the road to two lanes (a la Edgewater Drive in Orlando)?

Is FDOT trying to delete ALL of SR 811 in Broward County? Or just a certain section?

Yep, that's exactly what they're doing to Gaines......reducing lanes, adding on street parking to $timulate businesses to move there and create an 18-hour entertainment district. In other words, they're spending big money to try to make Gaines Street become what Midtown Tallahassee became without any intervention. Yeah, if I had a business that catered to an upscale clientele, I'd be the first to move to Gaines Street  :eyebrow:

The intent is to transfer all of 811 in Broward. I'm not sure what the rationale behind it is though. I *think* (and this is just an educated guess) that FDOT probably thinks that whenever the FEC project takes off, the cities are going to want to redevelop around it, and since 811 is smack next to the FEC line, the cities will want to do pedestrian-flavored things to it, eliminating its usefulness as a major arterial. I say this because this is the same reason that Olive Ave & Dixie Hwy in WPB was transferred off the system.

Now I'm not in on the latest news and status regarding the FEC project, but I know the people who are. I'm actually rooting for this project, but it's many years off, so I don't know why we're such in a big rush to get rid of 811. Roadway transfers can take time to complete once they're proposed (the Dixie/Olive transfers are not complete, and they started back in 99), so maybe that's why they're starting now with 811, to get a head start before the FEC project is up and running.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 02, 2009, 01:11:09 PM
Thomasvista, what is the Gaines Street project that Tally's doing? Are they adding in parking spots and reducing the road to two lanes (a la Edgewater Drive in Orlando)?

Is FDOT trying to delete ALL of SR 811 in Broward County? Or just a certain section?

Yep, that's exactly what they're doing to Gaines......reducing lanes, adding on street parking to $timulate businesses to move there and create an 18-hour entertainment district. In other words, they're spending big money to try to make Gaines Street become what Midtown Tallahassee became without any intervention. Yeah, if I had a business that catered to an upscale clientele, I'd be the first to move to Gaines Street  :eyebrow:

The intent is to transfer all of 811 in Broward. I'm not sure what the rationale behind it is though. I *think* (and this is just an educated guess) that FDOT probably thinks that whenever the FEC project takes off, the cities are going to want to redevelop around it, and since 811 is smack next to the FEC line, the cities will want to do pedestrian-flavored things to it, eliminating its usefulness as a major arterial. I say this because this is the same reason that Olive Ave & Dixie Hwy in WPB was transferred off the system.

Now I'm not in on the latest news and status regarding the FEC project, but I know the people who are. I'm actually rooting for this project, but it's many years off, so I don't know why we're such in a big rush to get rid of 811. Roadway transfers can take time to complete once they're proposed (the Dixie/Olive transfers are not complete, and they started back in 99), so maybe that's why they're starting now with 811, to get a head start before the FEC project is up and running.

 :-D :-D Gaine$ $treet $timulation. They will have to beautify it quite a bit to lure anyone there. I wonder iif they'll force that library bar to move.

Thanks for the info about 811. I wasn't sure if they were going to delete it from Sunrise Blvd to Oakland Park Blvd or all of it. If they do redevelopment in the future, I hope they don't sever all the east-west SRs in the process (like SR 820, SR 842 and SR 806).

Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on August 02, 2009, 08:28:44 PM
Quote
Thanks for the info about 811. I wasn't sure if they were going to delete it from Sunrise Blvd to Oakland Park Blvd or all of it. If they do redevelopment in the future, I hope they don't sever all the east-west SRs in the process (like SR 820, SR 842 and SR 806).

No I seriously doubt that will happen. The e/w state roads would serve the stations, and thus function as SIS connectors, making them more important.
Title: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 02, 2009, 09:21:19 PM
Yep, it's 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528. Since it'll be the extension, will the whole thing become SR 404 after it's completed? I think some numbers are outside of the grid to differentiate them as more important roads than other roads in the area, so you can identify them easier. SR 404 is a limited access freeway serving Patrick AFB while all the other 5xx numbers in the area are at grade roads. SR 573 is south of SR 60 in Tampa, but it serves MacDill AFB, as opposed to other 6xx routes in the area. SR 112 in Miami is a direct route to MIA.

Get ready to say bye to the oldest BGS in the area, down there.

You mean the SR-518 sign on I95? That thing is ancient. As for the Pineda Causeway, those SR404 signs along Wickham aren't new. They've been there for years. I haven't ever seen it signed as a county road. They're a weird non-standard state shield though, and I'll bet it wasn't FDOT that put them up. That makes sense that they would use non-standard numbers for important roads. It gets confusing with all the 5xx roads around here! I heard somewhere that they're considering (long term) extending Pineda all the way out to Orlando. It may have been in the OOCEA 50 year plan or something. They're also planning on building a new road along the west edge of Brevard (the St. John's Heritage Parkway) that will circle Palm Bay, run west of I95, connect to an extended Ellis Road (with a new I95 interchange), and end up connecting to the Pineda. The newspaper also has been saying that they're planning on building a new interchange at Grant Rd, but I'm not holding my breath on either of those any time soon.

CR516 (Palm Bay Road) is currently being widened and is a complete mess, and SR507 (Babcock) is being repaved from Palm Bay Road to Malabar Road (SR514) even though the old pavement was in great shape.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 03, 2009, 03:02:58 PM
Yep, it's 6-laned from SR 519 to SR 528. Since it'll be the extension, will the whole thing become SR 404 after it's completed? I think some numbers are outside of the grid to differentiate them as more important roads than other roads in the area, so you can identify them easier. SR 404 is a limited access freeway serving Patrick AFB while all the other 5xx numbers in the area are at grade roads. SR 573 is south of SR 60 in Tampa, but it serves MacDill AFB, as opposed to other 6xx routes in the area. SR 112 in Miami is a direct route to MIA.

Get ready to say bye to the oldest BGS in the area, down there.

You mean the SR-518 sign on I95? That thing is ancient. As for the Pineda Causeway, those SR404 signs along Wickham aren't new. They've been there for years. I haven't ever seen it signed as a county road. They're a weird non-standard state shield though, and I'll bet it wasn't FDOT that put them up. That makes sense that they would use non-standard numbers for important roads. It gets confusing with all the 5xx roads around here! I heard somewhere that they're considering (long term) extending Pineda all the way out to Orlando. It may have been in the OOCEA 50 year plan or something. They're also planning on building a new road along the west edge of Brevard (the St. John's Heritage Parkway) that will circle Palm Bay, run west of I95, connect to an extended Ellis Road (with a new I95 interchange), and end up connecting to the Pineda. The newspaper also has been saying that they're planning on building a new interchange at Grant Rd, but I'm not holding my breath on either of those any time soon.

CR516 (Palm Bay Road) is currently being widened and is a complete mess, and SR507 (Babcock) is being repaved from Palm Bay Road to Malabar Road (SR514) even though the old pavement was in great shape.

Yeah, that's the sign. I wish they would just retrofit it onto an overhead after I-95 is widened. There's one JCT shield left on NB Wickham at the Old Pineda intersection that has a "sharp" image of Florida, but newer semi-normal ones sprang up at the New Pineda intersection, along with a WB reassurance shield after the RR tracks. The latter is contractor-erected because there was no reassurance shield before the realignment and subsequent resurfacing.

The non-standard numbers is just my theory. But, they are also used if a certain numerical bracket has no more usage.

It would be great for a road semi-directly connecting Melbourne Viera and Orlando. There are only four crossings from Brevard County to points westward, and that's supposed to serve 71 north-south miles of residents living there.

Also an exit to break up the 17-mile wilderness would be nice. Would hate to think if a tourist missed the Palm Bay exit only to drive an extra 34 miles to make it up.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 04, 2009, 06:34:21 PM
Jacksonville road construction shows no sign of ending

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-01/story/jacksonville_road_construction_shows_no_sign_of_ending (http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-01/story/jacksonville_road_construction_shows_no_sign_of_ending)
Title: Florida
Post by: mpgarr on August 04, 2009, 07:39:34 PM
I would sure like for that project to happen--it'd be great to by-pass Starke. I am sure though that some locals would go out there and set up Boiled P-nut stands---got to have me some Boiled P-nuts while I drive along 301!
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 14, 2009, 11:53:42 PM
Hey guys, I'm curious here, which type of the FL Toll shield is used the most?  The one with the orange shape of FL in the shield, or the black state shape?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 15, 2009, 12:57:14 AM
The black one is used the most. From what we have seen the OOCEA tends to post the most orange outline shields, though, a few FDOT orange outline stragglers appear, such as this FL 293 Toll shield (http://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19912932t302930.jpg) in Okaloosa County.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 15, 2009, 02:18:00 AM
Black 408 shields have been popping up down here. All the 414 shields are orange, though. 528 is a mix of both.
Title: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on August 18, 2009, 02:01:52 AM
I prfer the orange ones.  Gives the sign a little more "oomf" kinda like driving on 2-lane roads for a while you are dying to see and rejoice when you finally see a red, white, and blue sign ahead.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 18, 2009, 05:59:28 AM
I'm scouring through the photographic archives, and it seems the first type of signage for the Secondary Routes when they first came out, were yellow(?) diamond shields. The "S" was at the top, and the number was across the middle. Two pictures have confirmed this (one for S-250, the other for S-466A). They were probably used briefly in 1955, until the keys shield was used for them.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 18, 2009, 01:47:58 PM
can you post the links to these photos?

thanks!
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 18, 2009, 02:04:07 PM
I saved the pictures, but will upload them on here, plus a few other goodies. (Of course, giving the link.)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 03:15:18 AM
These are from http://www.floridamemory.com/PhotographicCollection/ (http://www.floridamemory.com/PhotographicCollection/)

On I-75, Fla 470 is no more.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/I-75.jpg)

This one had the tag of SR 700 and US 92.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/700atus92iguess.jpg)

Business 1 and A1A in St. Augustine
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/bus1a1astaugustine.jpg)

Gulf Breeze 1960, just after SR 399
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/gulfbreeze1960.jpg)

Clearwater Causeway
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/clearwatercausewaybridge.jpg)

After the unveiling of a road sign for an I-75 dedication.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/I-75atus90b.jpg)

Self-explanatory
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/us19.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/us27atsr60.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/1987SR401.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/1985.jpg)

SR 44 east at US 17/US 92/SR 40 back when SR 40 was not built between Barberville and Ormond Beach, so it went south on US 17 and east along current SR 44 to New Smyrna Beach.

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/44eastat1560040.jpg)


US 98 east at US 19/27/Alt 27 in Perry. Nice cutouts! No clue on the huge US 98 shields.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/us98eastinperry.jpg)

SR A1A on Volusia Ave (International Speedway Blvd) at Beach Street, before US 92 was extended to the beachside, and before the old causeway-type extension was built. You had to make a left on Beach, and a right onto Broadway (one block north of Bay Street) to cross the bridge.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/volusiaaveeastatbeachst.jpg)


In Tallahassee on Perry Highway(?) west at US 319 (think it was before Apalachee Parkway was opened).
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/westfromcalhounintersectiontocapito.jpg)

North split of US 27/US 319 in Tallahassee.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/us27andus319split.jpg)

US 41 and US 129 split off in the early 50s.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/SR251950s.jpg)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/SR251953.jpg)

Colonial Drive east at Orange Avenue (1955)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/orlando1955.jpg)

SR 50 at US 27
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Sr50atUS27.jpg)

SR 20 east at US 90
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/sr20atus90.jpg)

Part of the SR 55 sign in Greenville (just before it was numbered US 221).
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/sr10ingreenville2.jpg)

US 27 at US 98 in Highlands County
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/sr25highlandscounty2.jpg)

The Secondary Route diamond signs (others posted in old signs thread). This one is for S-399 in Gulf Breeze. How calm it was back then.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/S-399ingulfbreeze.jpg)

S-437A in Apopka
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/routecrossingcentralavenueinapkS437.jpg)

S-434
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/s-434.jpg)

S-373 in 1976.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/S-373.jpg)

US 27 in Lake County.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/us27lakecounty.jpg)

S-101A in Duval County
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/us90westatS-101A.jpg)

US 17 and SR 40 duplexing in DeLand....but...SR 11 triplexed with them too?? Maybe SR 11 was signed down to US 92 (Int'l Speedway Blvd)??
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/174011.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 01:12:20 PM
amazing stuff.  Especially the white-square shields, which I had never seen an example of previously.  That must've been the standard between the cutouts with FLORIDA/US embossed and number printed on, and the colored 24" shields.

no idea either on that 98 that appears to be colored, but not the usual white/black scheme.  Maybe an earlier color scheme before they finalized everything?

for some of these, I'm almost tempted to shell out the ten bucks for a high-resolution scan.  A nice example of an S- route in a diamond would be good to have, as would some of the cutouts, and at least one white square. 
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 02:29:54 PM
amazing stuff.  Especially the white-square shields, which I had never seen an example of previously.  That must've been the standard between the cutouts with FLORIDA/US embossed and number printed on, and the colored 24" shields.

no idea either on that 98 that appears to be colored, but not the usual white/black scheme.  Maybe an earlier color scheme before they finalized everything?

for some of these, I'm almost tempted to shell out the ten bucks for a high-resolution scan.  A nice example of an S- route in a diamond would be good to have, as would some of the cutouts, and at least one white square. 

The white square shields reminded me of Virginia (didn't they use them there too?). A couple of the photos, with them, it seems they're shaded some color versus the white on the outer edge of the shield.

The 98 shield could also be from when it was extended to Perry and south?

The S-250 diamond was the clearest one available, followed by the S-179A and one other. There is also a photo of S-466A (lots of the photos were looking down the roads) and you can see the back sides of both the US 27 and US 441 cutouts, but I didn't post it since it wasn't that important.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 02:46:49 PM
actually could you please post the 27/441?  I want to see what is embossed on them, if I can (it may be too low-res but it's worth a try).  Florida was using cast aluminum shields in the late 1940s, with FLORIDA and US cast in with a square font, and the number printed on, first in square fonts and then in round.  The back of this shield is completely flat:

(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19480982i1.jpg)

(Don't believe I've seen a state shield of this type, just two US'es)

They then switched to embossed steel, with round fonts.  The backs of these shields have the reversed design, incuse, as expected for embossing.

(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19503011i1.jpg)

(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19520001i1.jpg)

then to the 24" shields around 1955: the classic Keys state shields, and the white square US shields.  They went with the colors in 1956.

so it would be nice to see if some of those cutouts were cast or embossed, and with square or round fonts.  At this level of detail, I am not able to discern whether FLORIDA/US is in square or round.  As I've mentioned, I'm tempted to throw down a few bucks for some high-res scans.  One good example of an S-, one good example of a white square, and all the cutouts for further research.

oh, and regarding the difference in shading on the white squares.  The shield itself may have had a layer of reflective sheeting, while the background did not.  Note the 98 cutout has the reflective sheeting only over "US" 98 and the 301 has it only over "FLORIDA" and "US 301".  So they were being economical.  The silver scotchlite tends to show up a bit darker than non-reflective white, except when lit directly for the retroreflective effect to kick in.

One last note: the white squares were used everywhere.  They were in the 1948 MUTCD for freeway and junction use, with the state/US cutout to be used only as reassurance.  I have a white square US 12 sitting on my floor that is from Indiana, and if I thought about it carefully I could name examples from at least 10 other states.  South Dakota comes to mind.  Missouri.  Virginia as you mentioned.  West Virginia.  Massachusetts.  Oklahoma.  etc.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 04:22:10 PM
Found some other pictures, including two clearer photos of the diamond shields. Regarding other photos I have posted, the US 90 BGS, the US 27/SR 60 overheads and the County Line Road button copy BGS have no confirmed dates on them. The S-373 picture is from the Tallahassee Fire Dept.

S-229
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/s-229.jpg)

S-127
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/s-127.jpg)

This is Charles Barron's picture from 1960.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/charlesbarron160.jpg)

US 1 at the Bahia Honda Bridge.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/bahiahondabridge.jpg)

SR 30A at US 98 in Bay County, somewhere around Phillips Inlet and the Hathaway Bridge.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/30awestatUs98.jpg)

SR 100 at US 301 in Starke with a white shield US 301 sign.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/301100stark.jpg)

FHP is helping out Lois Giddens (this is under General Collection...no author)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/1946.jpg)

This is Carolyn Rae Sandgren (listed under Department of Commerce...no author). This is also before the 1946 renumbering.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/1946b.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/1946c.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 04:33:04 PM
Couldn't find the S-466A picture, I might not have saved it, but here is one from SR 18 with US 41/441 cutouts facing away.

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/sr18.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 04:48:21 PM
the 41/441 is alas too small for me to make a determination.

as for "before 1946's renumbering"???  that can't be right!  those are 1948 FHWA fonts.  Also those look like 24x24 shields.  that must be 1955 or after.

which of course fails to explain why FL-1 is signed there.  Verrrry interesting.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 04:54:02 PM
They were dated 1946....it's a huge mystery  :nod:

Maybe they could not get around to completely renumbering the routes until 1949...or at least mid 1948.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 05:10:15 PM
those 24" shields may very well date back to 1948.  The MUTCD did specify big white squares for intersections.  Doesn't explain, though, why Florida would choose to emboss its smaller shields.  Using up the last batch of cast-aluminum blanks makes sense, but to make up new embossed blanks with the new round fonts does not.

I cannot tell if the 16" Keys shield below the square-font US 90 is flat or embossed ... no shadows to indicate embossing but there are no shadows on the 90 either, which I am quite sure has at least the FLORIDA and US embossed or cast.

what's also interesting is that the 24" keys shield is a different style.  More keys, smaller size. 

I think the only person that really knows when these photos were taken is Carolyn Rae Sandgren!  Maybe she knows how old she was, and thus what year the photos are from.  1948 or maybe 1949 seems to be the most reasonable option.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on August 19, 2009, 06:24:35 PM
Awesome a$$ pictures!!! I spent like 20 minutes drooling over all these sweet old pictures of how Florida roads and shields used to look. It is quite a shame that both aspects are long gone, for the most part. Luckily we still have some reminders of Florida's past, but those are few and far between.

By the way, I instantly recognized where that S-434 picture was taken, since I lived right near there when I lived in Orlando!! That picture was taken at the intersection with current Ronald Reagan Parkway (Seminole County 427).
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 19, 2009, 07:25:06 PM
There are some funky custom fonts, which have no explanation.

Here are some examples, this is on Bennett Road south at SR 50 here in Orlando.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P8030348.jpg)

Gadsden County on CR 65B (south of Quincy). This one looks like the SR 44 & Clara Ave intersection picture.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM006522.jpg)

This was in Clearwater. There are three key 'blobs'.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM003919.jpg)



Do states get new MUTCD compliances a bit early? So they could ready themselves for changes. It does sound like FL to use up stock (like with the colored shields). There are many variants to the SR shields here. I'd like to dig deeper and find out when they were phased in/out.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 19, 2009, 07:33:51 PM
the 50 pair and the 267 have the many keys.  Any idea what the date stamps on the back may be?  those could very well be early 1950s shields.

the 60 with keys *and* a black square outline ... that I have no idea; it may be a county or town job because I don't think the state of Florida used that standard.  I believe they went from the borderless keyed markers to the bordered keyless ones in 1977 with no intermediate style.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on August 20, 2009, 10:28:49 PM
I just wanted to say that that little girl (Carolyn Rae Sandgren) got around back in the day... :-o lol

I spent some time looking at the website you linked us, florida, until our cable and internet went out. But I will say I had an enjoyable time looking at all the old photos :)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 21, 2009, 01:54:08 PM
the 50 pair and the 267 have the many keys.  Any idea what the date stamps on the back may be?  those could very well be early 1950s shields.

the 60 with keys *and* a black square outline ... that I have no idea; it may be a county or town job because I don't think the state of Florida used that standard.  I believe they went from the borderless keyed markers to the bordered keyless ones in 1977 with no intermediate style.

I can check the 50, but the 267 is a bit too far.  Maybe one of our Panhandle roadgeeks could check it the next time they're in the area  ;-)

I got to thinking about it last night, and those shields could have well been there (maybe an early form of carbon-copying?) in 1948 in time for that year's MUTCD to come out. Things could have changed the next year or by 1950, because those small SR shields with FLORIDA on them were on other pictures dated up until the mid-1950s. There are county maps with a revised date of 1946, showing the original renumbering, but they were delayed in being signed in the field....just like with US highways. It just makes sense.


I just wanted to say that that little girl (Carolyn Rae Sandgren) got around back in the day... :-o lol

I spent some time looking at the website you linked us, florida, until our cable and internet went out. But I will say I had an enjoyable time looking at all the old photos :)

She was lucky! What it would have been like to travel around back in the 30s and 40s, and see those defunct routes. There's a good two+ hours of searching through them. Some were labelled as FDOT Box 1 and Box 2....there must be more boxes. Did you see the pictures of 2-lane US 1 south of Miami?  And the small slab of pavement for the S-routes? :-D
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 21, 2009, 04:15:59 PM
the 1948 MUTCD specified big shields for junctions, little ones for reassurance.  So that 50 junction is signed correctly by 1948 standards.  Please do check if they have a date stamp on the back!
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on August 21, 2009, 06:08:38 PM
Quote
I can check the 50, but the 267 is a bit too far.  Maybe one of our Panhandle roadgeeks could check it the next time they're in the area

On my trip to Fort Myers back in June I went right by this sign but did not have a chance to snap a picture or even get out of the car (too many questionable people around at the time). Next time I am in that area though I will definitely look :)

As far as those 50 shields in Orlando, I think those are obvious mistaken replacements. There actually use to be standard shields at that intersection! And when was that photo taken, as I notice the empty building at being an old Uno Chicago Grill that I ate at twice while I lived in Orlando. I do not remember those set of shields (with the keys) when I lived there and I went by that intersection frequently in my travels to the mall or my bi-weekly venture to Toys R Us. 
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 21, 2009, 08:35:36 PM

On my trip to Fort Myers back in June I went right by this sign but did not have a chance to snap a picture or even get out of the car (too many questionable people around at the time). Next time I am in that area though I will definitely look :)

As far as those 50 shields in Orlando, I think those are obvious mistaken replacements. There actually use to be standard shields at that intersection! And when was that photo taken, as I notice the empty building at being an old Uno Chicago Grill that I ate at twice while I lived in Orlando. I do not remember those set of shields (with the keys) when I lived there and I went by that intersection frequently in my travels to the mall or my bi-weekly venture to Toys R Us. 

That set has been there since I've been here (at least) in 2005. Were there really standard shields at that intersection? On the 3-di plan maps from FDOT, Bennett Road was part of Proposed SR 551, and I always thought it was tied to that.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on August 21, 2009, 10:46:46 PM
Maybe I just never paid that much attention when I was at that intersection, but I swore I remember standard shields there, and I lived there from 2004 to 2008.

So Bennett was once proposed as S.R. 551 before Goldenrod took the number? Do you have a copy or any access to that 3-di map? I'd be interested to see it :)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 21, 2009, 11:52:15 PM
I'll dig it out and take some photos of it. They have handwritten dates from the mid-80s and all the "proposals" and "plans", plus what was state maintained and secondary maintained/county assumed at that time. A guy at the TSO office used them for references and such.

I emailed a guy in District 5 about them and he said there was no such thing, that he'd been working in the district for 20 years. So.... :crazy:

They are interesting to look at.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on August 22, 2009, 11:13:04 AM
Hmmm, interesting. I would definitely like to see that  :nod:
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 23, 2009, 03:07:16 PM
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P8210507.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P8210509.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P8210511.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P8210506.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P8210508.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P8210500.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P8210503.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P8210502.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: thomasvista on August 26, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 26, 2009, 09:08:57 PM
Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

:( Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 26, 2009, 09:50:08 PM
so what's gonna happen to that US cutout???
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 26, 2009, 11:17:41 PM
Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

:( Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.

If anything, it might take 2-3 days before it disappears.  This comes from my own experience with FDOT.  I happened to alert them to an exit tab for the old Exit #351C on I-95 SB in Jacksonville which was still on top of a BGS once that ramp was closed permanently.  2-3 days later after my e-mail to them, it was taken down.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 27, 2009, 12:00:21 AM
Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

:( Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.

If anything, it might take 2-3 days before it disappears.  This comes from my own experience with FDOT.  I happened to alert them to an exit tab for the old Exit #351C on I-95 SB in Jacksonville which was still on top of a BGS once that ramp was closed permanently.  2-3 days later after my e-mail to them, it was taken down.

Don't email them  :biggrin:  Or it could take over a year. SR 439 still had two signs standing on 11/27/05 when it was decommissioned in 2004. Also, they still have the South Street exit sign up on I-4 and it's been closed for a very long time.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 27, 2009, 12:10:13 AM
Yesterday, the section of SR 807 between Lantana and Lake Worth Rd was officially removed off the FDOT system.

:( Hopefully any signage will be kept up for a bit until historic photos can be taken.

If anything, it might take 2-3 days before it disappears.  This comes from my own experience with FDOT.  I happened to alert them to an exit tab for the old Exit #351C on I-95 SB in Jacksonville which was still on top of a BGS once that ramp was closed permanently.  2-3 days later after my e-mail to them, it was taken down.

Don't email them  :biggrin:  Or it could take over a year. SR 439 still had two signs standing on 11/27/05 when it was decommissioned in 2004. Also, they still have the South Street exit sign up on I-4 and it's been closed for a very long time.

Well, the main purpose of that e-mail was to give them my opinion on their job of putting US-17 onto I-95 & I-10.  And my opinion was that they did a good job on the SB signage, but they did a horrible job on the NB signage.  All they put up on I-95 where US-17 was to exit was a small standalone shield.  If people weren't looking to the right of the highway for it, they would easily miss the exit.  Because everywhere else, they put a special tab on top of each exit sign with the US-17 & FL-228 shields.  The "To Exit #351C" tab was just a side note.  I also commented on (what I thought) was an incorrect exit number.  They gave the Forest St/Stockton St Exit as Exit #351A which I thought should have been #352A.  Because at that time (01/12/07), they had 351A before 351B and that could confuse people.

And now looking in StreetView, they have added a different #352A exit sign while the #351A remains....  So, going SB on I-95 you get Exit #351A first and then #352A..........  And the Stockton St ramp is now Exit #351C....
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 27, 2009, 12:15:28 AM
State unveils plan to build higher I-395 in Miami (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/story/1202390.html)
Replacing outdated Interstate 395 with a higher, more pleasing elevated roadway will help repair Overtown, state officials say, but some at a public hearing remain unconvinced.

After years of study and delay, Florida Department of Transportation officials are moving ahead with a plan to tear down and replace the entire 1.2-mile Miami highway, which connects Interstate 95 and State Road 836 with the MacArthur Causeway. They say the current road is poorly designed, overburdened, structurally deficient and a source of blight.

The new highway would be built just to the north of the existing I-395, so that the current expressway could stay open during construction of its replacement. That, however, would require the state to buy or take some 62 private properties through eminent domain, meaning the relocation of 10 families and five businesses.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 27, 2009, 01:00:19 AM
Well, the main purpose of that e-mail was to give them my opinion on their job of putting US-17 onto I-95 & I-10.  And my opinion was that they did a good job on the SB signage, but they did a horrible job on the NB signage.  All they put up on I-95 where US-17 was to exit was a small standalone shield.  If people weren't looking to the right of the highway for it, they would easily miss the exit.  Because everywhere else, they put a special tab on top of each exit sign with the US-17 & FL-228 shields.  The "To Exit #351C" tab was just a side note.  I also commented on (what I thought) was an incorrect exit number.  They gave the Forest St/Stockton St Exit as Exit #351A which I thought should have been #352A.  Because at that time (01/12/07), they had 351A before 351B and that could confuse people.

And now looking in StreetView, they have added a different #352A exit sign while the #351A remains....  So, going SB on I-95 you get Exit #351A first and then #352A..........  And the Stockton St ramp is now Exit #351C....

Agree with that. It is a huge mess with 7 different exits in ~2 miles, plus construction. If 351A comes before 352A, would they going to renumber all the exits when the project is finished? There are two sets of A-D exits right after each other.
Title: Florida
Post by: Larbearfl on August 31, 2009, 11:15:13 AM
Someone, get a ruler:

http://www.wftv.com/news/20605458/detail.html (http://www.wftv.com/news/20605458/detail.html)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on August 31, 2009, 12:17:59 PM
It can't even be opened until the rest of the widening out to SR 417 is finished. But, something should be done about the uneven pavement, especially on EB SR 50.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 02, 2009, 07:59:19 PM
There is a whole other section of intact brick roadway parallel to US 92 in the Tiger Bay WMA west of Daytona Beach. I found it accidentally on Google Maps.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=daytona+beach,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=29.127834,-81.166821&spn=0.018069,0.038495&z=15&iwloc=A (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=daytona+beach,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&t=h&ll=29.127834,-81.166821&spn=0.018069,0.038495&z=15&iwloc=A)

The jail and Red John Road are in the extreme right top corner
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 06, 2009, 09:18:53 AM
Here's a little blast from the past:  FL-108 still lives. :P

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=30.690921,-81.675282&spn=0,359.944253&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.690812,-81.675237&panoid=deNQV6oJ4iUkAb895N4HjA&cbp=12,218.78,,1,-27.56 (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=30.690921,-81.675282&spn=0,359.944253&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.690812,-81.675237&panoid=deNQV6oJ4iUkAb895N4HjA&cbp=12,218.78,,1,-27.56)

Mentioned going both directions on I-95 @ that overpass.  Plus, I think I recall the NB side being button-copy.  SB side might be as well.  So, any of you guys in FL right now want to check this out, have fun. ;)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 06, 2009, 11:05:56 PM
Here's a little blast from the past:  FL-108 still lives. :P

http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=30.690921,-81.675282&spn=0,359.944253&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.690812,-81.675237&panoid=deNQV6oJ4iUkAb895N4HjA&cbp=12,218.78,,1,-27.56 (http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=30.690921,-81.675282&spn=0,359.944253&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.690812,-81.675237&panoid=deNQV6oJ4iUkAb895N4HjA&cbp=12,218.78,,1,-27.56)

Mentioned going both directions on I-95 @ that overpass.  Plus, I think I recall the NB side being button-copy.  SB side might be as well.  So, any of you guys in FL right now want to check this out, have fun. ;)

I've got a picture of the SB one from April, it is button-copy..both of them. The Owens Road plaque is also button-copy.  :nod:

_____________________________________

Had to take a family member down to Port St. Lucie, so I jaunted around Stuart, Ft. Pierce and Vero Beach. Just some notes (pictures come later) :

-SR 707 is still signed south to the drawbridge on the St. Lucie River. And, they have completely changed out all the old signage at the intersection with CR 723 (including the "C 723" in a FL shield  :-( ) since the truncation of SR 707, but they made carbon copies of the signage on the SR 732 Causeway westbound.
-SR 732 (Jensen Beach Blvd) is signed with SR Junction shields on US 1, but the trailblazers are CR shields.  :crazy: A LGS is up on CR 723 north at SR 732. Apparently, CR 707A is still "signed" east from that intersection.
-Martin County LOVES roundabouts.
-The new bridge on SR 732 is a huge improvement over the old drawbridge.
-There is a lone eastbound SR 716 shield on the west side of the Turnpike, after Cameo Rd.
-All of the button-copy guide signs on SR 614 at I-95 have been replaced. Was hoping there was at least one left.
-Be careful if you drive on Indian River CR 5A from Gifford to Wabasso. Had an officer pull out and tail me between Winter Beach and Wabasso.
-SR 510 has complete signage at both ends of the Wabasso-to-Orchid causeway.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 06, 2009, 11:56:37 PM
While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 07, 2009, 12:13:12 AM
While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.

Was it on the CR 905 section going towards Card Sound Road? Or somewhere south of that in Key Largo proper?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 07, 2009, 12:36:00 PM
While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.

Was it on the CR 905 section going towards Card Sound Road? Or somewhere south of that in Key Largo proper?
No it was in Key Largo.  I saw it NB shortly after you get to the four-lane divided US 1.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 07, 2009, 02:06:52 PM
While we're on the topic of C-shields, I noticed one S-905 shield left in Key Largo.  i was really surprised to find it there because S-905 was originally only north of US 1.  Didn't know it was extended over old 1 when it was still a secondary.

Was it on the CR 905 section going towards Card Sound Road? Or somewhere south of that in Key Largo proper?
No it was in Key Largo.  I saw it NB shortly after you get to the four-lane divided US 1.

Just south of Tavernier Creek is where the four-laned roadway starts, and there is the old alignment next to it....  :eyebrow:

Think it's Islamorada that also has 905 shields right next to US 1, as there's the old alignment alongside it.


edit: Found it. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=key+largo,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&ll=24.997956,-80.53758&spn=0.002343,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=24.997863,-80.537608&panoid=C-i3GVnR62Nqtj1WUb-10A&cbp=12,22.66,,0,6.81 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=key+largo,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&ll=24.997956,-80.53758&spn=0.002343,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=24.997863,-80.537608&panoid=C-i3GVnR62Nqtj1WUb-10A&cbp=12,22.66,,0,6.81)

90174 Old Hwy in Tavernier. Is that it?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 07, 2009, 08:27:49 PM
No it was in Key Largo.  I saw it NB shortly after you get to the four-lane divided US 1.

Just south of Tavernier Creek is where the four-laned roadway starts, and there is the old alignment next to it....  :eyebrow:

Think it's Islamorada that also has 905 shields right next to US 1, as there's the old alignment alongside it.


edit: Found it. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=key+largo,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&ll=24.997956,-80.53758&spn=0.002343,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=24.997863,-80.537608&panoid=C-i3GVnR62Nqtj1WUb-10A&cbp=12,22.66,,0,6.81 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=key+largo,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.572881,78.837891&ie=UTF8&ll=24.997956,-80.53758&spn=0.002343,0.004812&t=h&z=18&layer=c&cbll=24.997863,-80.537608&panoid=C-i3GVnR62Nqtj1WUb-10A&cbp=12,22.66,,0,6.81)

90174 Old Hwy in Tavernier. Is that it?

Wiki says Tavernier is part of Key Largo, and yes, that's the one.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 08, 2009, 10:16:50 PM
Wiki says Tavernier is part of Key Largo, and yes, that's the one.

Cool! Saw the photo on your page. It seems that S-905 was given to some of the old alignments (and a couple of small spurs off) of US 1 in the Northern Keys. Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 09, 2009, 11:00:09 AM
There are two Florida C-905 shield assemblies left on that stretch near Bessie Road:

http://www.southeastroads.com/florida900/cr-905_nb_app_bessie_rd_02.jpg (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida900/cr-905_nb_app_bessie_rd_02.jpg)

http://www.southeastroads.com/florida900/cr-905_sb_after_bessie_rd.jpg (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida900/cr-905_sb_after_bessie_rd.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 09, 2009, 05:20:17 PM
Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.

Doubt it.  A1A is usually not multiplexed with 1.  Look how far you have to go from Miami to Key West before you find it again.
Title: Florida
Post by: 74/171FAN on September 09, 2009, 10:34:35 PM
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Quote from: florida on September 08, 2009, 10:16:50 PM
Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.


Doubt it.  A1A is usually not multiplexed with 1.  Look how far you have to go from Miami to Key West before you find it again
  I'm sure that US 1 and A1A multiplex between Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale for a short distance ;-)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 24, 2009, 12:09:28 AM
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Quote from: florida on September 08, 2009, 10:16:50 PM
Not sure if it was ever duplexed with US 1, but getting better scans of older maps from FDOT would help out a lot.


Doubt it.  A1A is usually not multiplexed with 1.  Look how far you have to go from Miami to Key West before you find it again
  I'm sure that US 1 and A1A multiplex between Hollywood and Fort Lauderdale for a short distance ;-)

I think it's signed like that at the eastern terminus of SR 84. Also swore I saw pictures of US 1 northbound at A1A in Dania Beach and it 'showed' SR A1A continuing northward, on a trailblazer sign. The only other two places would be West Palm Beach (the duplex is probably defunct these days...old maps indicated they did travel together through Northwood) and Fort Pierce (now signed as "TO A1A").




On a side note, I spent two days driving around Miami.....some observations:

-There are still two sets of Red US 1 shields hanging somewhere around downtown ;)
-The stand-alone BGS on US 1, that had a cut-out SR 886 shield on it, has been replaced with a crudely-done LGS.
-There's one strange SR shield for SR 836 found on a side road; the type where the state is drawn as a straight line on all sides…others have been found for SRs 551, 426, and 820.
-At the southern terminus of SR 969, an erroneous JCT SR 969 shield is posted instead of an SR 968 shield, so you junction the same road you’re driving on. (It’s also one of the best signed routes down there, with shields every few blocks.)
-SR 933 got invaded by some atrocious, digitalized shields. [Pictures later.]
-There is an actual Miami-Dade County Community called Horse Country. No joke.
-There are Begin/End State Maintenance plaques, for SR 986, at the intersection of SW 69th Ave, opposed to SW 67th Ave where the terminus is listed. The new and improved(!) section that was bequeathed to South Miami consists of those stupid faux-bricks and an obscene 20mph speed limit. But, there are still SR 986 trailblazers at the intersection with US 1…perhaps to continue the route number so nobody gets confused?
-Where SR 909 has been cut-off from the 6-point intersection with SR 922 (the southwest leg), the old alignment was made into a cul-de-sac, and there is still a renegade southbound reassurance shield partially hidden by some bushes.
-The button-copy BGS on US 1 southbound at US 27 and I-195 has been replaced with a standard one.
-SR 886 used to travel across a two-lane drawbridge (it must have!) and most of the old alignment is still there. Also, behind a fenced-off section, with tractor-trailers parked, there’s a damaged, unused spanwire traffic signal assembly(four remain on the span-wire, seems the others have been blown away from storms) and BGSs that have been almost all greened-out.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 25, 2009, 01:23:07 AM
Picture time!

Why button-copy should never be replaced.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture132.jpg)

Old or just badly faded?
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture003.jpg)

Clearview-like numbers invade!
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture006.jpg)

SR 922 east at the 5-points. Exactly where the "TO SR 909" assembly is, that's where SR 909 used to intersect SR 922 and hop across it like it does on SR 915.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture019.jpg)

If you made a theoretical right turn at that aforementioned sign, you'd see this still standing...even though cul-de-sac traffic can only see it properly.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture018.jpg)

Funky JCT sign on SR 932.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture023.jpg)

More old-looking signage in Hialeah
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture026.jpg)

BIG FONT!
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture028.jpg)

And again.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture029.jpg)

White-on-green. This must be a trend down here.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture032.jpg)

If you don’t prefer BIG FONT, maybe you’d like huge obnoxious shields.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture033.jpg)

Funky shields at the north terminus of SR 969.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture043.jpg)

When reflective peels….and a greened-out sun symbol at the top.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture051.jpg)

Stenciled numerals?
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture052.jpg)

SR 969 north at the flyover and surface routing…aka three separate legs split off all at once.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture059.jpg)

That SR 836 shield.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture060.jpg)

SR 969 south at what’s supposed to be SR 968.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture061.jpg)

This looked like a folded sign.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture073.jpg)

SR 94 east at SR 825.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture091.jpg)

Digitalized blasphemy!
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture094.jpg)

The reason why SR 986 was truncated.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture103.jpg)

But it is still signed at US 1.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture104.jpg)

The greened-out BGSs on Old(?) SR 886. (Has to be the old alignment.)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture113.jpg)

And the broken traffic lights.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture114.jpg)

Still standing hanging!
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture116.jpg)

Still hanging on SR 970.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture225.jpg)

New HOT lanes. One day it was $2 from I-395 to SR 826/Turnpike.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture174.jpg)

More digitalized madness.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture207.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture208.jpg)

They replaced a cut-out SR 886 shield for this???
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture230.jpg)

Tiny, little I-395 shield…because who cares?
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture236.jpg)

Weird I-95 shield.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture240.jpg)

FDOT may not maintain the toll bridge, but they’re nice to let you know it is tolled. The only instance where this is done.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture243.jpg)

Old distance signs, in the center, are being replaced with ones on the right in Miami.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture179.jpg)

First off, it’s the Airport EXPRESSWAY, so why the RR crossing? Second, if the road is inverted, why would I want to make a right turn on the railroad tracks?? People drive slow in Miami, but I don’t think they’re totally slow in the head.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture195.jpg)

Finally, you can travel to Jupiter and find this county-erected sign near the coast.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture268.jpg)

Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 25, 2009, 01:37:02 AM
That five points junction is also where I found the U.S. 909 and 915 shields back in 2006:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-922_eb_app_fl-909_915.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 25, 2009, 02:03:03 AM
Those are nice! I didn't make it that far west on SR 922 to turn around to see if they are still there :no:
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 25, 2009, 02:49:00 AM
Those are nice! I didn't make it that far west on SR 922 to turn around to see if they are still there :no:

There were gone by May of 2008, if not earlier.

Quote
White-on-green. This must be a trend down here.

Perhaps statewide too, found two brand new FL 368 overheads done in the same style on U.S. 98 eastbound in Panama City yesterday. Also have seen Florida 616 overheads leaving TPA the same way.

Great photos, looks like my Miami area photos of Interstate 95 are even more out of date!
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2009, 02:55:05 AM
nice finds!  is that a red US-1 shield on the green sign? 

I'll be in FL in January; will have to hunt some of those down for sure.

also, that I-95 shield on the green sign you labeled as "odd" - that looks to be original 1958 specs!  Shields on green signs were to omit the state name, but keep the small number: 8" for a 24" shield, or 6" for an 18" shield.  I can't tell which size that shield is on the green sign, but those are indeed the very first specs.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 25, 2009, 03:29:25 AM
Great photos, looks like my Miami area photos of Interstate 95 are even more out of date!

All the signs on I-95 south at I-195/SR 112 have been switched out. I didn't make it down to I-395 to check those, or any cut-outs on the expressways. You need a good week to explore everything down there in Miami-Dade County alone since everyone drives so slow on surface roads. Traffic wasn't really that bad like I thought it would be.

In Palm Beach County, all the BGS signs have been switched out so you'll no longer see any CR shields for 702, 809A nor 812 anymore. Just street names.

nice finds!  is that a red US-1 shield on the green sign? 

I'll be in FL in January; will have to hunt some of those down for sure.

also, that I-95 shield on the green sign you labeled as "odd" - that looks to be original 1958 specs!  Shields on green signs were to omit the state name, but keep the small number: 8" for a 24" shield, or 6" for an 18" shield.  I can't tell which size that shield is on the green sign, but those are indeed the very first specs.

Where will you be visiting? That sign is going west on the one-way-pair from US 1/SR 886 and the Port. (Think it's 6th St?) It looks like a precursor to the bubble shields. And yep, they are red US 1 shields on the green signs. Up in Jupiter, they might still have them on the actual sign blades:

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/6375_134909828432_774433432_2310207.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 25, 2009, 06:02:51 AM
Old distance signs, in the center, are being replaced with ones on the right in Miami.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture179.jpg)

Yet in Jacksonville, on FL-9A they installed the ones like the one in the middle of the highway.
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 25, 2009, 11:47:59 AM
I'll be in Florida for Jeff Francis's license plate show.  I'll have to ask Alex the exact date; it's January 10th, I think?
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 25, 2009, 12:33:46 PM
I'll be in Florida for Jeff Francis's license plate show.  I'll have to ask Alex the exact date; it's January 10th, I think?

The show is January 15.

I'll be in Orlando the week of October 18th too. Definitely going to drive Florida Toll 414 and try to get better shield shots for some of the other toll routes.

Those center line upcoming exits signs on Interstate 95 were likely moved so that in the future they can extend the HOT lanes northward. Keep in mind that a lot of the overhead guide signs in the Miami-Dade and Broward County areas were damaged by Hurricane Wilma in 2005. That might explain why some of the new signs have odd fonts or look bad.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 25, 2009, 02:05:09 PM
Indeed, the center guide signs were moved for the HOT lanes. Only in Miami though. What perplexes me is why one in Fort Lauderdale spells out SR 84.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 29, 2009, 11:40:29 AM
Future deletions: SR 537, SR 847 (so far...waiting for responses from Ds 1, 2, 4 and 7, which I'll have to phone)

SR 228 and SR 5 in downtown Jacksonville are slated for deletion. (I'll probably be going up there on Saturday.)

District 3 reports there are no deletions in the near future.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 30, 2009, 12:16:59 AM
SR 228 and SR 5 in downtown Jacksonville are slated for deletion. (I'll probably be going up there on Saturday.)

Ok, I don't see how they could delete FL-5 in Downtown Jacksonville, UNLESS they are planning on re-routing US-1 and US-90 out of Downtown as well as FL-10.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on September 30, 2009, 11:20:54 AM
I'm sorry, it should have been specified. They're being deleted between the Acosta Bridge and the Main Street Bridge.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 05, 2009, 12:56:37 AM
Jacksonville notes:

-SR 21's travel through Keystone Heights is interesting. You enter Bradford County (Zero Drug Tolerance!), and Clay County (no drug tolerance?) back and forth, then there's a sharp curve with the speed limit set at 30.
-Three other keys 21 shields were found (the 4th, which AARoads found, is separate). Also, a keys 224 shield is still standing!
-There are a slew of mast arms going up on SR 21 from SR 224 to the Duval/Clay County Line.
-Since SR 228 and US 17 were taken off the College/Post streets, SR 228 duplexes with SR 129 down to US 17 (Roosevelt Expy).
-Greened-out signs are everywhere on the Acosta Bridge and the approaches, for US 17/SR 228.
-There is still one reassurance assembly for US 17/SR 228 on Bay Street west, after turning off of Main.
-A BGS sign on the Main Street Bridge NB has US 17 still plastered on it.
-SR 228 is signed with US 1 and US 90 down to Forsyth, BUT, there is no indication from FDOT that it goes on Forsyth, so it may be a new alignment, if they're going to take it off of Monroe. Now, there's 2 EB one-way SR 228 legs (Monroe and Forsyth) and one WB SR 228 leg (Adams) in downtown.
-There are a lot of cut-out SR 115 shields on BGSs. Upwards of five.
-SR 116 is signed. SR 243 still is not, and neither is SR 23 where it intersects SR 21.
-A lot of the fluffy SR shields (like in the western Panhandle) invaded SR 13 south of the city. I hope those do not become the status quo; they look like puffs of popcorn with numbers in them.
-The C-110 shield is still up.
-Alt US 90 apparently uses Laura St to connect to State/Union Streets. There is only one reassurance shield after you turn off of State onto Laura. Think there was one trailblazer on Beaver Street (US 90), years ago.
-When traveling “east” on I-295, at Exit 35, when you come up to US 17 and that old BGS states “End I-295, Begin SR 9A (cutout)”, there is a JCT SR 9A assembly directly opposite of it, in the middle of construction. Guess you really can junction a same numbered road on the same numbered road.
-No exits are numbered on SR 9A yet. There are blank exit tabs on BGSs from Gate Parkway to probably SR 10. And one exit has an exit gore sign with a blank space, just ready for a pasted number.
-SR 212 is co-signed with US 90 beginning just west of the SR 9A interchange.
-SR 109’s northern terminus is unremarkable. Just a pavement change, no signage at all.
-Going east on SR 152, there is advance signage stating, “End East SR 152, ½ mile” (tab, tab, shield, tab). The last time I was at the eastern terminus of SR 152, Baymeadows just ended abruptly at a dirt drop-off. Now, the area has been built up.


Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 05, 2009, 08:27:56 PM
-Alt US 90 apparently uses Laura St to connect to State/Union Streets. There is only one reassurance shield after you turn off of State onto Laura. Think there was one trailblazer on Beaver Street (US 90), years ago.

Supposedly according to Don Drury in the Jacksonville office, this is the correct route for Alt-US-90.

Quote
Alt US 90 was built by the JTA as an alternate route not through downtown Jacksonville and connecting back to US 90/Beach Blvd.

Traffic Operations believes this is how it runs;

Union Street / State Street from I-95, Arlington Expressway, Southside Blvd to Beach Blvd.

Atlantic Blvd is not part of Alt US 90.

And then when I pointed it out to him that is was mis-posted on Atlantic in the field and on the 2006 Official Map, he said the following back to me:

Quote
Thanks for bring this to our attention.   

We'll see that the Official State of Florida map is changed to reflect Alt US 90 as it should be.

We will schedule removal of all signs on Atlantic Blvd and work to install any missing signs on the correct route.

However, this was all back on 2/21/07 that I talked to him.  And in '08, no changes had happened yet.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 06, 2009, 02:35:07 AM
Still no changes on Atlantic Blvd either. Still co-signed with Alt US 90.

I do remember there being a trailblazer for it off Beaver, and swear it was east of I-95. If they've done sidewalk-scaping there (which looks like it), they would have removed it. Unless it jogs up a street on the west side of I-95, but there is no signage out there, and only US 23 signage at I-95 on US 23 SB. When going west on State, just before Main is a sign stating "Alt US 90 LEFT LANE" and conveniently Laura is the next street after Main.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 08, 2009, 01:14:00 PM
This thread needs some photos.

Self-explanatory. Sprawl didn't get to these?
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture431.jpg)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture451.jpg)

The SR 228 & 129 duplex
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture501.jpg)

Horrendous job, whoever did these.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture520.jpg)

The green-out jobs
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture524.jpg)

Bay Street SB, just after Main. Oops.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture549.jpg)

This shot came out perfect.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture569.jpg)

Coming off the Main Street Bridge, NB. Oops.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture589.jpg)

SR 13 NB at US 1 and US 90. Oops!
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture594.jpg)

Ocean Street NB immediately after Bay Street.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture601.jpg)

US 90 EB at US 1 and what is supposed to be SR 228.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture677.jpg)

SR 109A signs are still up even though there has not been an SR 109A for about 20 years.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture699.jpg)

SR 10 WB at SR 115. A leg of SR 10A starts to the right, also, and so does SR 113. They still have Alt US 90 on Atlantic Blvd, consistently signed! There are zero Alt US 90 shields on the Arlington Expressway.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture715.jpg)

Unless you count this one…which is the only mention of Alt US 90 on the Arlington Expressway. Progress!
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture719.jpg)

Who wants an SR 116 sign picture?
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture744.jpg)

Just thought it was amusing to junction a route and immediately have to turn right to get on it. Who cares about advance signage.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture749.jpg)

This is the JCT SR 9A while you are on SR 9A.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture802.jpg)

US 17 SB at Old SR 163 (now CR 163) and SR 104. Why waste space when you can make a fictional duplex? The I-95 shield is in the spot where the SR 163 shield used to be.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture808.jpg)

It looks like the 5 wanted to be a 6, but its parents would not let it.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture821.jpg)

SR 212 finally shielded after all these years (ok, since US 90 was put on it).
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture863.jpg)

If you say so…
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture879.jpg)

Just an old mileage sign doing its intended job.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture906.jpg)
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 08, 2009, 01:30:53 PM
why are the south 17/west 228 and the 1/17/90 green sign photos labeled "Oops"?

also, is FL-10 supposed to always be hidden, or is it intentionally signed past the end of I-10?

the wide 10/95 pair look something like what Texas uses on their green sign shields, and MA and NH use on I-95 on the surface level.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 08, 2009, 04:05:31 PM
why are the south 17/west 228 and the 1/17/90 green sign photos labeled "Oops"?

also, is FL-10 supposed to always be hidden, or is it intentionally signed past the end of I-10?

the wide 10/95 pair look something like what Texas uses on their green sign shields, and MA and NH use on I-95 on the surface level.

US 17 and SR 228 were realigned out of downtown Jacksonville. They connect onto I-10, then I-95, US 23 and back to US 1 where US 17 heads north, and SR 228 heads south (east) into downtown to connect to the Hart Bridge and adjoining expressway to US 90. They no longer travel along the riverfront.

SR 10 is intentionally signed east of Jacksonville, but hidden west of Jacksonville. It used to be the original routing of SR A1A before A1A was extended up to the Mayport Ferry and Fernandina Beach. Immediately east of I-95, US 90 splits off of SR 10 and uses SR 212 to travel to The Beaches, so that's why it's signed where US 1 and US 90 meet on the south side of town.


Those wide signs were in the area of Post Street and Riverside Avenue.
Title: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on October 09, 2009, 10:00:25 AM
It looks like the 5 wanted to be a 6, but its parents would not let it.
Looks like it's got a serious overbite!
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 10, 2009, 07:26:13 AM
I snuck up to Clay County yesterday because something on Streetview caught the eye....and it was worth it.

-CR 209 is (or will be) extended north of CR 220 to SR 21/CR 220A. It's listed on sign blades, but not signed.
-CR 220 is being widened between Knight Boxx Road (CR 220B) and College Ave (CR 224).

And some pictures...

A 5th keys shield for SR 21 in the Orange Park-Middleburg area.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1021.jpg)

A keys 220 shield in Middleburg.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1033.jpg)

One section of CR 220 circles into itself, and Clay County is nice to let you know that. (If you make a left and follow it around, you’ll come right back to this sign.)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1036.jpg)

CR 220 east at SR 21. US 21 vacations in Florida, and brought Arial font with it. (Does Georgia know about this??)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1043.jpg)

CR 220 west at SR 21. The 6th keys shield, but with Arial Helvetica font. (It could be a classy, county-made reproduction??)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1048.jpg)

CR 220A, Baxley leg, north at SR 21 and SR 23. I was expecting to see an SR shield.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1053.jpg)

These signs are posted at the intersections of CR 209, CR 315, and one signalized intersection just south of there. (Yay for unhidden state routes!)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1083.jpg)

Clay County likes to make sure you know you are traveling on COUNTY route 209.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1095.jpg)

On Toms Road, just off the SR 16 and I-95 interchange.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture941.jpg)

Still hanging in Green Cove Springs (two of them!)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture967.jpg)

Off CR 209B (two of them!).
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture990.jpg)


Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 12, 2009, 05:16:21 PM
Another SR on the chopping block is SR 585.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 12, 2009, 10:02:46 PM
Another SR on the chopping block is SR 585.

I think SR 585 is unsigned already except for its intersections with Hillsborough Avenue, I-4, and maybe SR 60.
Title: Florida
Post by: Marc on October 13, 2009, 12:49:02 AM
Nice pics.
CR 220 west at SR 21. The 6th keys shield, but with Arial font. (It could be a classy, county-made reproduction??)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1048.jpg)
That's Helvetica. Graphic Designer's intuition ;-)
Always remember, Helvetica=good, Arial=bad, Comic Sans=induce vomiting.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on October 13, 2009, 02:21:07 AM
Another SR on the chopping block is SR 585.

I think SR 585 is unsigned already except for its intersections with Hillsborough Avenue, I-4, and maybe SR 60.

No reassurance shields? Haven't driven it in a few years, but will go over probably this weekend sometime.


That's Helvetica. Graphic Designer's intuition ;-)
Always remember, Helvetica=good, Arial=bad, Comic Sans=induce vomiting.


Yeah, comic sans is a permanent tumor. I'll have to open Word and practice the Helvetica numbers vs. the Arial numbers  ;-)
Title: Florida
Post by: Marc on October 13, 2009, 11:59:56 PM
Yeah, comic sans is a permanent tumor. I'll have to open Word and practice the Helvetica numbers vs. the Arial numbers  ;-)
You can always tell by the 2s and the uppercase Rs. Arial is Microsoft's rip off of Helvetica.
Title: Florida
Post by: mightyace on October 14, 2009, 04:52:56 PM
Arial is Microsoft's rip off of Helvetica.

<Off topic rant>
It's ironic that Microsoft created Arial to avoid paying license fees for Helvetica, yet they are one of the most aggressive companies in making sure you pay them license fees!
</Off topic rant>
Title: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on October 14, 2009, 05:06:24 PM
What's the new exit number on I-10 for the Brannen Field-Chaffee Expressway supposed to be? I was there on a road trip up north in late-April 2009(and back in early-May 2009), but I forgot what it was.

Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on October 14, 2009, 08:59:30 PM
I would gather that it would be Exit 349, but given on how big the interchange is, it could be signed as Exit 348.

Correction: according to the official website (http://www.bfcxpress.com/faq/#6), the interchange was constructed at mile marker 350, so it would be safe to say one of my guesses would be correct  :-D
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on October 14, 2009, 09:11:25 PM
After digging some more, it is indeed Exit 350 and it opened to traffic on October 1.
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 02, 2009, 07:31:29 AM
Still no changes on Atlantic Blvd either. Still co-signed with Alt US 90.

I just downloaded the most current GIS data off of FDOT's site and they have removed the final small piece that showed Alt US-90 in Downtown Jacksonville.  It now seems the one on FL-10 is the defacto one now.  Will have to update the route on the CHM site.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 02, 2009, 01:17:29 PM
That routing doesn't make any sense. The one through downtown was on an expressway at least. It seems frivolous to have them both on surface routes and closer than before.
Title: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 04, 2009, 06:41:25 PM
I wasn't able to get the link, but I saw a report on BayNews9 about a proposal to add a light-rail line between Tampa and St. Petersburg using the original span of the Howard Frankland Bridge, which would obviously require replacing it with a third parallel span. I was going to add this to Wikipedia, but as I said earlier, I couldn't get the link from their website.


Title: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 04, 2009, 11:11:26 PM
Another SR on the chopping block is SR 585.

I think SR 585 is unsigned already except for its intersections with Hillsborough Avenue, I-4, and maybe SR 60.

GoogleMaps shows one at US 41-92.
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/8261/fl585us4192.th.jpg) (http://img243.imageshack.us/i/fl585us4192.jpg/)


http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&q=28.041546,-82.382519&ie=UTF8&ll=27.996148,-82.434117&spn=0.006991,0.021887&z=16&layer=c&cbll=27.996148,-82.434014&panoid=vWHXlPHAQTtjVWLXw3o_Ag&cbp=12,289.15,,0,5 (http://maps.google.com/maps?t=h&q=28.041546,-82.382519&ie=UTF8&ll=27.996148,-82.434117&spn=0.006991,0.021887&z=16&layer=c&cbll=27.996148,-82.434014&panoid=vWHXlPHAQTtjVWLXw3o_Ag&cbp=12,289.15,,0,5)

Title: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 06, 2009, 02:35:18 PM
Here's a picture of US 98 & Florida SR 50 in Ridge Manor West, looking east at Interstate 75 that I took in mid-October 2009:

(http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/8963/us98fl50westofi75.th.jpg) (http://img156.imageshack.us/i/us98fl50westofi75.jpg/)

You can always add it to your collection of Florida SR 50 images.

Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 12, 2009, 05:15:25 AM
I remember hearing that FL-5's seperate section in West Palm Beach was going to be removed.  When will this totally happen?  Also, will FL-5 then be moved back over to US-1 and replace FL-805?  Because as of right now, FL-5 has a gap according to the FDOT GIS.

Also, does anybody know why the GIS data is showing US-1 on it's old routing between FL-704 & FL-A1A?  Seems really odd.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 12, 2009, 11:40:06 AM
I remember hearing that FL-5's seperate section in West Palm Beach was going to be removed.  When will this totally happen?  Also, will FL-5 then be moved back over to US-1 and replace FL-805?  Because as of right now, FL-5 has a gap according to the FDOT GIS.

Also, does anybody know why the GIS data is showing US-1 on it's old routing between FL-704 & FL-A1A?  Seems really odd.

It was either a fellow poster (thomasvista) or someone else at FDOT who said the US 1 designation on Quadrille still had to be approved, but it has been removed from Dixie and Olive.

Quoting from District 4:
" As part of the City redevelopment plans FDOT is transferringsegments of the Olive/Dixie Corridor through downtown WPB from the FDOT tothe City. The Quadrille Blvd north - south corridor between Lakeview Ave(SR-704) and Quadrille Blvd. has been designated to replace the OliveAve/Dixie Hwy corridor as US-1 route designation."

Not sure about if SR 5 will be re-routed over SR 805 (like what happened with SR 651 in Pinellas County where it's still a state road, but totally hidden). SR 882 will be truncated to US 1 in "2010 following a scheduled resurfacing." There is still a JCT SR 5 assembly on it (in someone's yard!), heading EB at Old SR 5. Maybe the remaining SR 5 segments will follow suit at that same time.
Title: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 13, 2009, 02:58:39 PM
On November 5, 2009, I took these three shots of the Southbound Suncoast Parkway at the new Exit 16.
http://img43.imageshack.us/g/sbsuncoastpkwyexit16one.jpg/ (http://img43.imageshack.us/g/sbsuncoastpkwyexit16one.jpg/)

Go get 'em!

Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 13, 2009, 06:46:29 PM
It seems SR 589 is the only route that signs Hillsborough CR 582 on Lutz-Lake Fern Road.
Title: Florida
Post by: simguy228 on November 14, 2009, 03:54:27 PM
FL... When I was younger I lived there.. When left FL about 2000 I just remember driving by the wore-out highway signs near Brandon... :coffee:
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 14, 2009, 11:10:04 PM
Can somebody point out what's wrong in these pictures? ;)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/FL/I-10/P1060751s.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/FL/I-10/P1060753s.jpg)

More pictures are posted @ my blog on the I-10/I-95 interchange reconstruction. (the link is in my sig)
Title: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 14, 2009, 11:34:47 PM
Can somebody point out what's wrong in these pictures? ;)

Presence of SUVs.
Title: Florida
Post by: deathtopumpkins on November 15, 2009, 01:24:46 AM
Is that SERIOUSLY DUCT TAPE over those signs?  :-D
Title: Florida
Post by: froggie on November 15, 2009, 07:53:51 AM
The 45 MPH speed limit
Title: Florida
Post by: simguy228 on November 15, 2009, 08:34:15 AM
Oh yeah. I remember driving by those signs when driving up to TN :-D
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on November 15, 2009, 12:14:09 PM
The fact that you are already on U.S. 17 and Florida 228, since they were siphoned onto Interstate 10 at Exit 361 a few years back? If I remember correctly, U.S. 17 got realigned onto Interstate 10 at Exit 361, multiplexes with it until Interstate 10's end where it travels along Interstate 95 north to Exit 353B.
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 15, 2009, 12:58:50 PM
For what's wrong: In the second picture, isn't that the exit for Forest Street (352A)? Aren't US 17/SR 228 supposed to be routed onto that when all the construction is done? If so, it shouldn't be TO, but NORTH?

------

Side note:

There is a new interchange being built on US 301 in Orange Springs for SR 26. SR 26 will bypass Orange Springs to the south, and the ROW looked big enough for a four-lane roadway; the bypass will be basically between the section of SR 26 that "curves" north into Orange Springs, so that curve will be cut out.

Plus, a lot of C- shields in Union and Bradford Counties have bit the dust. Everything from Brooker east to the CR 227/CR 18 split is gone (except one on a side road). A good five shields in Union County (that are visible on GSV) are gone. What a shame.
Title: Florida
Post by: Alex on November 15, 2009, 01:41:35 PM

Side note:

Plus, a lot of C- shields in Union and Bradford Counties have bit the dust. Everything from Brooker east to the CR 227/CR 18 split is gone (except one on a side road). A good five shields in Union County (that are visible on GSV) are gone. What a shame.

Does that include Keys shields and Coloured U.S. shields? Brent and I did some extensive research on GSV and jotted down the locations of over 20 sign finds. We've not yet gone into the field to document them however...
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 15, 2009, 01:53:35 PM
The colored U.S. shields are still there.

Locations without signs (but GSV still shows them):
Union County:
-CR 238A west at CR 239 (southwesterly of Lake Butler).
-CR 241 north at CR 241A
-CR 239 spur into Oak Grove Cemetary (both have been re-signed as CR 239B with pentagons)
-CR 239A at CR 239 (south of the CR 238A intersection listed above)

Bradford County:
-CR 235 north at CR 229
-CR 18 & CR 225 intersection in Graham.
-CR 18 & CR 231 (east-west section) east of Brooker.

Everything else is there, and a few surprises too....if you pick the correct road, you will find a dead bull on the shoulder!  :wow:
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 15, 2009, 05:57:25 PM
The fact that you are already on U.S. 17 and Florida 228, since they were siphoned onto Interstate 10 at Exit 361 a few years back? If I remember correctly, U.S. 17 got realigned onto Interstate 10 at Exit 361, multiplexes with it until Interstate 10's end where it travels along Interstate 95 north to Exit 353B.

For what's wrong: In the second picture, isn't that the exit for Forest Street (352A)? Aren't US 17/SR 228 supposed to be routed onto that when all the construction is done? If so, it shouldn't be TO, but NORTH?

Yep guys.  Those signs shouldn't be saying "TO" for US-17 and FL-228, but should be saying "North US-17, East FL-228".  However, florida, those routes aren't suppose to be routed onto Forest.  They are going to be staying with US-23 once they leave I-95 as far as I know.
Title: Florida
Post by: simguy228 on November 15, 2009, 07:14:48 PM
And I thought PA was the worse state when it comes to guide signs :-D :sombrero:
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 17, 2009, 06:11:06 AM
I'm curious, has anybody been in Fort Myers lately?  The reason I'm asking is because of the US-41 Business route there.  From what I can piece together, it's Southern end is now @ it's intersection with FL-80 via StreetView (if you look @ Park Ave and even on FL-82, there are "TO BUSINESS US-41 (http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=26.641393,-81.860461&spn=0,359.993032&z=18&layer=c&cbll=26.641477,-81.860445&panoid=9lj5Gq-5UVm4j6DZuFTJrg&cbp=12,41.95,,0,1.26)" shields; and from the looks of it the "TO" banners are very recent because they are brighter then the rest of the sign).  Yet, the FDOT GIS still shows it going down to FL-82 and back to US-41.  Yahoo maps agree with what is in the field, Google agrees (somewhat) with the GIS files.  So, you can see why I'm a tad confused here.  I'm more inclined to go with what's posted in the field, but I've always liked to be "by the book" and have the correct route for stuff like this.  So, any help in this would be appreciated. :)
Title: Florida
Post by: florida on November 17, 2009, 10:54:06 AM
There should still be an END BUS US 41 shield at US 41(?)
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 17, 2009, 07:31:16 PM
There should still be an END BUS US 41 shield at US 41(?)

I'm talking about the Southern end, not the Northern end.  I couldn't find any End shields for that end.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on November 17, 2009, 09:02:08 PM
There is an END Business U.S. 41 shield at the southern end on Main Street just east of the U.S. 41 overpass at the foot of the Caloosahatchee Bridge. I saw it back in June when I was down last to visit my parents.

The signage you are speaking of is from when Business U.S. 41 use to follow Second Street with Florida 80. Business U.S. 41 then turned north onto Park Street where it heads to the northbound span of the Edison Bridge. It was moved further south to Florida 82 (MLK Jr. Blvd) some years ago. FDOT never took the signage down, or rather, they never removed the TO banner, as they should have.

Next time I go home to visit my parents I will try to take a tour of downtown to see EXACTLY how it is all signed now. It seems that every so many years the FDOT likes to reroute the downtown routes of Business U.S. 41 and Florida 80.

Hope this helps!
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 18, 2009, 12:05:57 AM
Yes, it did help! :)  I was able to find the End Bus US-41 shield along Main St via StreetView, even though it was badly blurred.  So, I'll now modify the route to match what the GIS shows because I still had it along the old route of FL-80 in Downtown. :)
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on November 18, 2009, 07:14:42 PM
Yeah, it can get confusing trying to figure out where the routes are in downtown. I'm not even sure if FDOT has it right, because I swear that the City of Fort Myers does its own thing when it comes to their downtown routes...
Title: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 18, 2009, 07:16:26 PM
Yeah, it can get confusing trying to figure out where the routes are in downtown. I'm not even sure if FDOT has it right, because I swear that the City of Fort Myers does its own thing when it comes to their downtown routes...

Well, the GIS shows a gap for FL-80 intown.
Title: Florida
Post by: flaroads on November 18, 2009, 07:19:20 PM
Yes, from what I understand there is now a gap with Florida 80 in downtown. Google Map shows Florida 80 going down Main and First Streets while Bing Maps still show Florida 80 going down Second Street to Seaboard. I wish I could get down there soon to see exactly what Florida 80 and Business U.S. 41 does downtown now...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 25, 2009, 02:10:23 AM
Re: Fort Myers... SR 80 is split, and technically has two segments. It has a short routing from US 41 to the SR 82 Spur and ends, then it picks up from SR 739 and east. Business 41 goes up the small bit of SR 80, down the SR 82 Spur, then aross SR 82 to SR 739 and north to US 41.

Other things:
-SR 548 opened up the last segment, west of US 98/Florida Ave, in Lakeland. Its western terminus is at unsigned SR 600 (George Jenkins) where it turns from George Jenkins onto Sloan. There is an END SR 548 assembly there, too.
-The SR 539 and SR 563 intersection has been reformatted into a perpendicular intersection, as opposed to the curve SR 563 used to have around Lake Wire; the only thing left of that curve is the right turn lane for SR 563 NB. SR 539 has also been realigned as a more straight-shot from about Magnolia, south to SR 563. You can drive on the old alignments of SR 539, but they are cut off by the SR 548 viaduct now. There is an END SR 539 assembly, also.
-According to the contractor who did the work, Business US 98 is still alive and kicking :D And the US 33 sign is still on SR 33 just north of the US 92 intersection.
-In Plant City, the LGS with the older SR 39 shield on it, on CR 39B south at its turn west to SR 39, has been removed. Also, the two keys SR 574 shields have been removed from the CR 574A (Sammonds Road) intersection because CR 574A's approach has been remodified for safer use.
-There is still at least one last colored shield in Lake County...super-imposed over a another sign.
-Lake CR 565A (east-west section) has been realigned at its western terminus at SR 50.
-Sumter County has signed CR 567 and CR 730 along SR 471.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on November 25, 2009, 10:20:30 PM
Quote
According to the contractor who did the work, Business US 98 is still alive and kicking  And the US 33 sign is still on SR 33 just north of the US 92 intersection.

Wow, that shield is still kicking around?? I took a photo of it back in early 2006. Not surprised its still there, though...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 26, 2009, 04:56:40 PM
Here it is..
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1491.jpg)

And Business 98..
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1501.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1502.jpg)

Newly configurated SR 539 & SR 563 intersection.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1505.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 26, 2009, 04:58:44 PM
If you love End/Begin signs..
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1513.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1517.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1568.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 26, 2009, 05:00:52 PM
How many different Crosstown Expressway shields can we find?
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1563.jpg)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1593.jpg)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1595.jpg)
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture1596.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 26, 2009, 08:51:43 PM
the first one is a classic.

wasn't Leroy Selmon a member of the Buccaneers team that went 0-14?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Bryant5493 on November 26, 2009, 10:25:22 PM
Alright, I was thinking about -- in the near future -- taking a roadtrip down to Albany (GA), following U.S. 19. I would start on the southside of Griffin, following U.S. 19 into Zebulon, Thomaston, Thomasville, then going into Tallahassee. From Tallahassee I would travel to Jacksonville, via a scenic route. I looked at MapQuest and avoided all Interstates. From Tallahassee, I would follow U.S. 27 South, picking up U.S. 19 in Jefferson County (FL), then follow U.S. 19 South/27 South into Perry, Florida. I would then continue to follow U.S. 27 South to Brantford, then pick up S.R. 247 East toward Lake City, Florida. From Lake City, I'd pick up U.S. 90 East, taking that into Jacksonville. While in Jacksonville, I would drive along I-295 (at the time I go, 295 would have probably taken over all of S.R. 9A).

Does anybody have any info on these routes? I've never been to the Florida panhandle, nor have I been on U.S. 19 south of Griffin. I'm shooting to do this roadtrip in the summer of 2011, if everything works out like I think it should.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 26, 2009, 10:26:11 PM
Can somebody point out what's wrong in these pictures? ;)

Presence of SUVs.

Considering how many dirt roads there are in Florida, that's not really a bad thing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on November 26, 2009, 10:34:39 PM
Alright, I was thinking about -- in the near future -- taking a roadtrip down to Albany (GA), following U.S. 19. I would start on the southside of Griffin, following U.S. 19 into Zebulon, Thomaston, Thomasville, then going into Tallahassee. From Tallahassee I would travel to Jacksonville, via a scenic route. I looked at MapQuest and avoided all Interstates. From Tallahassee, I would follow U.S. 27 South, picking up U.S. 19 in Jefferson County (FL), then follow U.S. 19 South/27 South into Perry, Florida. I would then continue to follow U.S. 27 South to Brantford, then pick up S.R. 247 East toward Lake City, Florida. From Lake City, I'd pick up U.S. 90 East, taking that into Jacksonville. While in Jacksonville, I would drive along I-295 (at the time I go, 295 would have probably taken over all of S.R. 9A).

Does anybody have any info on these routes? I've never been to the Florida panhandle, nor have I been on U.S. 19 south of Griffin. I'm shooting to do this roadtrip in the summer of 2011, if everything works out like I think it should.


Be well,

Bryant

I know US 19 is 4 lane from Thomasville to Perry with a mostly 65 MPH speed limit.   I have never used US 27 east of Perry.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 26, 2009, 11:47:47 PM
Considering how many dirt roads there are in Florida, that's not really a bad thing.


I'll bet most SUVs have never seen a dirt road in their life.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 27, 2009, 01:10:39 PM
Alright, I was thinking about -- in the near future -- taking a roadtrip down to Albany (GA), following U.S. 19. I would start on the southside of Griffin, following U.S. 19 into Zebulon, Thomaston, Thomasville, then going into Tallahassee. From Tallahassee I would travel to Jacksonville, via a scenic route. I looked at MapQuest and avoided all Interstates. From Tallahassee, I would follow U.S. 27 South, picking up U.S. 19 in Jefferson County (FL), then follow U.S. 19 South/27 South into Perry, Florida. I would then continue to follow U.S. 27 South to Brantford, then pick up S.R. 247 East toward Lake City, Florida. From Lake City, I'd pick up U.S. 90 East, taking that into Jacksonville. While in Jacksonville, I would drive along I-295 (at the time I go, 295 would have probably taken over all of S.R. 9A).

Does anybody have any info on these routes? I've never been to the Florida panhandle, nor have I been on U.S. 19 south of Griffin. I'm shooting to do this roadtrip in the summer of 2011, if everything works out like I think it should.


Be well,

Bryant

I know US 19 is 4 lane from Thomasville to Perry with a mostly 65 MPH speed limit.   I have never used US 27 east of Perry.

US 27 east of Perry is 4-laned until Taylor CR 30, then it's two-laned all the way until Williston. There might be some truck traffic, but you're going through rural parts of the state (the town of Mayo is pretty much a blip). SR 247 is two-lane, until probably the greater Lake City area (haven't been on that road, surprisingly). US 90 is multi-laned until the east side of SR 10A in Lake City, then it's pretty rural until you get into Sanderson in Baker County. Of course, in Glen St. Mary and Macclenny you'll get some town traffic, but in Baldwin, the trucks join for a bit, and if you're really unlucky, the train will crawl through at 1 MPH.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Bryant5493 on November 27, 2009, 01:27:21 PM
Thanks, jdb1234 and florida. I went on Google maps and did a little scouting of the areas in question last night and this morning.


Be well,

Bryant
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 28, 2009, 09:11:32 PM
I'll bet most SUVs have never seen a dirt road in their life.

I wouldn't doubt that, but I don't think it's as few of them as you might think.

edit: malformed quote
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on December 21, 2009, 09:44:13 AM
It looks like Brevard County will be getting a handful of new interchanges on I-95 in the next few years. Other than the new Pineda Cswy interchange that's under construction now, a pair of interchanges are going to be built to support the new parkway to be build around Palm Bay.

The parkway is going to start down where Micco Road crosses I-95 at a new interchange to be built. It is long-needed since it will be right in the middle of an 18-mile stretch of freeway with no interchanges and will provide much-needed access to south Palm Bay. The new parkway will continue around Palm Bay to the west, crossing US-192, and ending at a new interchange being built for the Ellis Road extension (which, combined with the NASA Blvd realignment, will provide much better access to the Melbourne Airport).

For whatever reason, they're building it as a surface road, not a freeway. The planners said it's going to be designed like John Young Pkwy in Orlando where there is a limit to the number of stoplights on the road. Personally, I think it's short sighted to not make it a freeway, but I guess it's not up to me! It's being funded primarily through federal earmarks. For a long time it looked like this road was just a pipe dream, but it's been approved by all of the required government bodies and looks like it's actually going to happen.

The other new interchange will be at the new Viera Blvd. overpass and was negotiated as a requirement for the county to approve Viera's expansion to the west.

More info on the new Palm Bay Parkway:
http://www.drmp.com/Brevard/Project_Map.html (for the northern segment north of Malabar Rd - CR-514)
http://www.palmbayparkway.com/ (lobbying website)
http://palmbayflorida.org/utilities/divisions/documents/proposed_parkway.pdf (entire proposed alignment)

On a side note, this will open up the creepy part of Palm Bay known locally as "The Compound" to development.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Compound
It's 200-miles of paved roads built by the General Development Corp that were never developed. It's creepy out there. There's no road signs (although arrows someone spray painted on the roads at some intersections point the way out if you're lost), lots of burnt out cars, and who knows what else. I've gone geocaching out there a few times and during the day, it's full of people flying model airplanes and rockets and people riding ATV's and dirt bikes. I wouldn't want to be out there at night. Even during the day, I usually don't go out there without carrying protection. I'm sure there's plenty of illegal activity going on out there, although the police do patrol it. The city has slowly been developing it from the east, and turned a part of it into a paintball park. The parkway will cut right through the compound. I don't doubt that utilities and then actual development will shortly follow.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 21, 2009, 09:19:52 PM
For whatever reason, they're building it as a surface road, not a freeway. The planners said it's going to be designed like John Young Pkwy in Orlando where there is a limit to the number of stoplights on the road. Personally, I think it's short sighted to not make it a freeway, but I guess it's not up to me! It's being funded primarily through federal earmarks. For a long time it looked like this road was just a pipe dream, but it's been approved by all of the required government bodies and looks like it's actually going to happen.

 :-D I'd like to know what section of JYP they're talking about.

Speaking of this road, Osceola County is building a new interchange on it at Osceola Parkway (CR 522); John Young Parkway will be on the overpass and Osceola Parkway will unfortunately have to keep stop-and-going underneath it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on December 22, 2009, 08:13:06 AM
:-D I'd like to know what section of JYP they're talking about.

Speaking of this road, Osceola County is building a new interchange on it at Osceola Parkway (CR 522); John Young Parkway will be on the overpass and Osceola Parkway will unfortunately have to keep stop-and-going underneath it.

I think they said JYP (at least south of I-4)  is limited to lights every 1/2 mile or something, which is better than most of the roads around here! The point was that it won't have lights every 100' for retail, side streets, and stuff like that.

I've always hated the Osceola Pkwy. Why should I have to pay a toll for a damn surface road?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 08, 2010, 10:09:43 AM
In honor of the frigid weather we've been having here in Florida, here's a picture of the start of the seven mile bridge along US-1. Notice anything unusual or out of place?

(http://www.southeastroads.com/florida001/us-001_sb_at_seven_mile_br.jpg)
Picture from AARoads
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Truvelo on January 08, 2010, 10:14:36 AM
Notice anything unusual or out of place?

I'm guessing the icy sign next to the palm trees :colorful:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 09, 2010, 06:47:44 PM
I'm guessing the icy sign next to the palm trees :colorful:

Yep! That sign always cracked me up considering it's never been anywhere near freezing in the Keys. I don't remember seeing a sign like that anywhere else in Florida, even farther north where it does occasionally freeze. Sadly, as of last summer, FDOT took it down.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 11, 2010, 09:15:45 PM
Almost needed that sign this past weekend with the arctic blast!! I heard that wind chills in the Keys were below freezing!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: froggie on January 12, 2010, 07:34:28 AM
When it comes to water (or other surfaces) freezing, wind chill doesn't apply.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 12, 2010, 10:30:15 PM
Well I said ALMOST needed the sign, not that it WAS needed. I was just commenting that the wind chill was below freezing. And yes, growing up in south Florida, I do know that wind chill factor does not apply... :)

I just found it ironic that the only place that a sign like that existed in Florida would have almost the right conditions for a freeze...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 16, 2010, 10:20:20 PM
Drove to St. Petersburg today, noted a few projects of interest.

http://www.mytbi.com/projects/projectinfo.asp?projectID=170&RoadID=1

A new directional ramp is under construction from Interstate 275 north to CR 296 west. This ramp utilizes the existing Roosevelt Boulevard from northbound to connect with Bryan Dairy Road. Widening of the current structure is also nearly completed.

http://www.mytbi.com/projects/projectinfo.asp?projectID=158&RoadID=1

Work on expanding Interstate 275 north between Himes and the Hillsborough River is essentially completed. Drivers shift over to the new four lane roadway from near the Dale Mabry interchange. Southbound remains along the old alignment parallel to the now abandoned northbound carriageway.

Quote
TURNPIKE WIDENING PROJECT—INTERSTATE 4 TO GOTHA ROAD (MILEPOSTS 259-265)
This $128.6 million project adds two lanes in each direction between Interstate 4 and the State Road 408 Interchange.  Construction includes widening the existing bridges over Interstate 4 and Apopka-Vineland Road, and replacing the Kirkman Road and Gotha Road bridges over the Turnpike.  Additionally, improvements will be made at the Interstate 4 and State Road 408 (East-West Expressway) interchanges.  This project is scheduled to be complete in August 2010.

This project directly ties into the widening west from the Toll 408 interchange. Jersey barriers still line the carriageways and the sound walls are nearly complete.

Quote
TURNPIKE WIDENING PROJECT – State Road 408 TO NORTH OF BEULAH ROAD (MILEPOST 265-270)
This $68.8 million project consists of widening of Florida’s Turnpike (State Road 91) from four to eight lanes and six to 12 lanes from milepost 266 to milepost 269 in Orange County.  The construction includes widening of the bridges over Beulah Road. and reconstruction of the State Road 50 connector bridge over Florida’s Turnpike, resurfacing existing pavement, construction of storm water retention ponds, signing and marking, lighting, landscaping, sound barriers, ITS and utilities.  This project is scheduled to be complete in August 2010.

New signs and such are posted for the SR 50 reconstructed trumpet interchange and the eventual two-lane ramps to Toll 429. Work west of this project is in earlier stages on expanding the roadway.

Locally, Good Homes Road and Colonial Drive are both under construction to be widening near their intersection near Pine Hills. The work on Good Homes eliminates a bottleneck between Toll 408 and SR 50.

There is only one button copy sign left on Interstate 275 north of downtown St. Petersburg. Some of the signs for the 38th Av N and 54th Av N exits were replaced. The lone button copy holdout is that of the advance sign for 54th Av N on I-275 northbound.
Title: Re: Florida (US-1/90 in Jacksonville)
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 17, 2010, 03:57:41 AM
Alright, I'm currently working on creating the FL State Highways (and making tweaks to the US Highways & Interstates to correct mistakes) for the CHM (http://cmap.m-plex.com/index.php) Project and I just came across something "interesting" when comparing an area with how it's posted in the field and how it's shown on FDOT's GIS files.

The part in question is US-1 (FL-5) & US-90 (FL-10) after they cross the Main St. Bridge in Downtown Jacksonville.  According to FDOT's GIS files (and all the online maps I can find), US-1, US-90, FL-10 all join up with I-95 for a short segment (meanwhile FL-5 follows the following route mentioned after this).  HOWEVER, according to signage in the field that I just recently checked with StreetView (which has been updated recently because of the better quality), it shows that US-1 and US-90 leave Main St to piggyback on FL-13 (Prudential Dr) over to Kings Ave.  Once they turn onto Kings Ave, they stay on it till US-90 leaves onto Atlantic Blvd and Kings Ave turns into the Phillips Hwy.

So, which is correct?  FDOT's own GIS files, or what's posted in the field?  If anybody has any info on this, I would greatly appreciate it.  Otherwise, I'll contact FDOT (via e-mail) on Monday and ask them this question (unless somebody else already has in the past).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 19, 2010, 12:07:42 PM
Even on the Highway Data CDs, it's shown the same way. There are several different segments of those routes, in that area, which do not "connect" to one another via the data. The "co-signing" of FL 5 and FL 10 on I-95 could be for the ramps that run along the south side of I-95 when connecting from The Main Street and Acosta Bridges to Phillips Hwy.

For example, FL 13 has a segment (the on-ramp, basically) from Water Street to just south of the northern beginning of the Acosta Bridge, then the ramp from I-95 (where Exit 350 splits into access for the two bridges) across the Acosta Bridge to off-load onto Riverside Dr SB, finally there is the surface street that zig-zags on the south side of downtown, but FL 13 is only signed on the surface streets, with no shields or trailblazers on I-95.

I believe what is signed in the field is correct because it is consistent with what FDOT does (not co-signing Interstates and US Routes unless there is no other choice).

This is almost like the Golden Glades interchange and Tampa International Airport where the ramps are considered state maintained, but not signed.


By the way, FL 537 has been deleted. And FL 825 has been added from US 41, north to FL 836 (there is also the older FL 825 from the Kendall-Tamiami Airport, north to FL 94. No idea if they will connect the two segments in the future....both of them are on SW 137th Ave).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 19, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
I'm guessing the icy sign next to the palm trees :colorful:

Yep! That sign always cracked me up considering it's never been anywhere near freezing in the Keys. I don't remember seeing a sign like that anywhere else in Florida, even farther north where it does occasionally freeze. Sadly, as of last summer, FDOT took it down.
I remember seeing "Bridge May Ice Before Road" signs as far south as Metropolitan Jacksonville on a family vacation to Florida back in 1975, and considering what I learned about Florida when I was a kid, it baffled me every time we went into some southern state and I kept seeing those signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 19, 2010, 09:09:49 PM
Even on the Highway Data CDs, it's shown the same way. There are several different segments of those routes, in that area, which do not "connect" to one another via the data. The "co-signing" of FL 5 and FL 10 on I-95 could be for the ramps that run along the south side of I-95 when connecting from The Main Street and Acosta Bridges to Phillips Hwy.

For example, FL 13 has a segment (the on-ramp, basically) from Water Street to just south of the northern beginning of the Acosta Bridge, then the ramp from I-95 (where Exit 350 splits into access for the two bridges) across the Acosta Bridge to off-load onto Riverside Dr SB, finally there is the surface street that zig-zags on the south side of downtown, but FL 13 is only signed on the surface streets, with no shields or trailblazers on I-95.

I believe what is signed in the field is correct because it is consistent with what FDOT does (not co-signing Interstates and US Routes unless there is no other choice).

So, you're saying I should re-route US-1/90 off of I-95 and onto the surface streets (which is what StreetView shows) instead of keeping them on I-95 (like the GIS shows)?  FL-5 is shown off of I-95 there, but FL-10 is shown on I-95.  So, with FL-10, keep that on I-95 just like in the GIS?

Here's an animated GIF I made out of the most recent GIS data:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/rickmastfan67/Interstates/FL/US1-90_Jax.gif)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 28, 2010, 01:07:45 PM
US 1 and US 90 are signed on the surface streets (Atlantic Blvd and Kings Ave). But there is no signage on I-95 NB for them, and there are BGSs for them on I-95 SB at the Phillips Hwy/Atlantic Blvd split (Exit 349?).

The curved SR 5 leg on the bottom of the gif is the on-ramp from US 1 NB onto I-95, but if you continue up to Atlantic Blvd, US 1 is signed west on Atlantic Blvd, underneath I-95, then north on Kings Ave.

The two parallel SR 10 legs, north of the aforementioned, are the on/off-ramps to I-95 (FDOT has this thing with including some exit ramps as state maintained mileage).

The SR 10 section on I-95 facilitates the connection from Atlantic Blvd to the Main Street Bridge, that's where the curved part picks up (at the Exit 350A mess). To me, that section consists of the far edge lanes on NB I-95 between Exits 349 and 350A.

The curved section of SR 10 is the NB off-ramp for Exit 350A (it is kind of long, which matches the GIS data), which continues onto the Main Street Bridge.

SR 13's curved section is where what's listed on Google Maps as the "Acosta Expy" begins immediately where SR 10's curved section branches north onto the Main Street Bridge.

As for US 1, according to the GIF you made there is no indication of SR 5 on I-95, but US 1 is on it...if that's the case, then US 1 would only travel on the extreme outer ramps (both or either NB and SB). Did they show all of SR 5 connected like that? Usually there is an orphaned section south of Atlantic Blvd.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 28, 2010, 06:32:36 PM
As for US 1, according to the GIF you made there is no indication of SR 5 on I-95, but US 1 is on it...if that's the case, then US 1 would only travel on the extreme outer ramps (both or either NB and SB). Did they show all of SR 5 connected like that? Usually there is an orphaned section south of Atlantic Blvd.

If you look at the FL-5 only segment of the GIF, it shows all of what FDOT considers FL-5.

Anyways, I got a response back from FDOT today about this.  According to them, US-1 is miss posted.  IT IS suppose to be on I-95 right there. (The response didn't mention US-90, so I sent back a response asking for a clarification on US-90.)

Quote from: FDOT
The correct route for U.S. 1 is the route shown on GIS.  The posted route on Kings Road and Prudential Drive is incorrect.  We are currently working on a plan to correct the U.S. 1 route markers in this area.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2010, 03:52:18 PM
Just got a response back on US-90 (as well as FL-5).

Quote from: FDOT
The route for U.S. 90 will be identical to U.S. 1.  State Road 5 will follow Kings Rd. / Prudential Dr.

So, does this mean that FL-5 will become unhidden in Jacksonville?  I don't know.  I sent a quick response back asking that question.  Odds are I will not get a response back till Monday on that question.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on January 29, 2010, 06:27:21 PM
Just got a response back on US-90 (as well as FL-5).

Quote from: FDOT
The route for U.S. 90 will be identical to U.S. 1.  State Road 5 will follow Kings Rd. / Prudential Dr.

So, does this mean that FL-5 will become unhidden in Jacksonville?  I don't know.  I sent a quick response back asking that question.  Odds are I will not get a response back till Monday on that question.

Can you write your contact there and ask what the deal is with CR-399/SR-399 through the Gulf Islands National Seashore and southern Santa Rosa? It seems no one, nor the GIS data, can give us a straight answer on who maintains what...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 29, 2010, 07:18:49 PM
Can you write your contact there and ask what the deal is with CR-399/SR-399 through the Gulf Islands National Seashore and southern Santa Rosa? It seems no one, nor the GIS data, can give us a straight answer on who maintains what...

All I did was contact the PIO for the Jacksonville area.

Here's the page with all of their e-mail addresses: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/PublicInformationOffice/moreDOT/phone.shtm
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 29, 2010, 11:17:53 PM
How long has this "plan" been in the works? If it's been newly hatched, then that's fine, otherwise, the signs have been "incorrect" for a very long time.

Don't think they'll sign SR 5 on that short segment, it would be irrelevant (opposite of a roadgeek's wishes, though). If they do sign it, then I petition that SR 628 be signed too ;)

In the past, there have been breaks in the SHS on some roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Lyle on January 31, 2010, 04:07:31 PM
Hi, all. Did you know that they are building a connector between Interstate 4 and the Crosstown Expressway in Tampa, FL?

http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4555 (http://www.tollroadsnews.com/node/4555)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 01, 2010, 01:44:21 PM
How long has this "plan" been in the works? If it's been newly hatched, then that's fine, otherwise, the signs have been "incorrect" for a very long time.

Don't think they'll sign SR 5 on that short segment, it would be irrelevant (opposite of a roadgeek's wishes, though). If they do sign it, then I petition that SR 628 be signed too ;)

You thought wrong. ;)  They do plan on posting FL-5 in Jacksonville. ;)

Quote from: FDOT
It is our intention to sign Kings Rd./Prudential Drive as State Road 5.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 01, 2010, 11:08:39 PM

All I did was contact the PIO for the Jacksonville area.

Here's the page with all of their e-mail addresses: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/PublicInformationOffice/moreDOT/phone.shtm

Unfortunately the district 3 PIO is generally unresponsive...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 02, 2010, 11:49:58 PM
How long has this "plan" been in the works? If it's been newly hatched, then that's fine, otherwise, the signs have been "incorrect" for a very long time.

Don't think they'll sign SR 5 on that short segment, it would be irrelevant (opposite of a roadgeek's wishes, though). If they do sign it, then I petition that SR 628 be signed too ;)

You thought wrong. ;)  They do plan on posting FL-5 in Jacksonville. ;)

Quote from: FDOT
It is our intention to sign Kings Rd./Prudential Drive as State Road 5.

That is really surprising! I'm looking forward to an SR 5 and SR 13 duplex.


District 4 is unresponsive too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Scott5114 on February 05, 2010, 04:41:00 PM
This thread is deprecated. Please start new threads for each Florida related topic you may wish to discuss.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 05, 2010, 11:31:49 PM
I would like to keep this thread open and serve as it has in the past, a catch-all for most road related topics related to Florida. Being as there are currently 14 pages to the thread, I would say it has done pretty well. If anyone feels any different, maybe we can hold further discussions among the admins and the moderator for this particular thread.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 06, 2010, 06:01:03 AM
Yep, it is. The toll hike is also partly due to lack of ridership on the tollways in the county. Since the OOCEA is not making any money they have to pass the buck onto the commuters and make them pay. Nice, eh? 

And, of course, the toll hike will lower ridership further.

There was a blurb on the local news how ridership has decreased over the past 20 months.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 14, 2010, 03:24:28 AM
Just a slight update. We went to try watching the shuttle take off on the night it was scrubbed and there were a few changes on SR 50.

-The traffic signal at Orange CR 419 and SR 50 has been replaced with....another spanwire. But, this means the "SR 419 / Chuluota Rd" signblade hanging from it has gone with the old lights.
-The speed limit through Christmas has been bumped up to 60mph.
-The state name I-95 shields at Exit 215 have been neutered, but the numeral specs remain the same.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 14, 2010, 10:58:20 AM
Was there any sign of construction at the intersection with Florida 50 and Orange County 419 to warrant another signal change? Maybe they are setting up the traffic signals in the area to be on a continuous circuit for better traffic flow, but I never understand why you have to replace the signals (or their locations on the span wire) and wire to do it...

Good to hear that the speed limit has been pushed up to 60mph through Christmas, though they should have just pushed it up to 65mph. Nobody ever adhered to the posted speed limit through there anyway.

Sucks to hear that those state named shields have been replaced with neutered ones. Boo... I'm betting the replacement shields were erected by FDOT, unlike the state named shields they replaced...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 16, 2010, 04:57:10 AM
It seems that Columbia School Road (opposite of CR 419) was widened at the intersection, and it looked like a couple other businesses popped up on that side of SR 50. How would it be a continuous circuit? It's the only signal in the area, the nearest ones are at CR 13 in Bithlo and Avalon Park Blvd....at least a mile in each direction. Just seems like a waste of money....not to mention, they installed those lighted street signs for the road names. Seriously?!

About time for the speed limit upgrade; the drop from 65 to 55 was wretched. Putting it was 65 would be too dangerous...reindeer would be killed. I bet, too, that FDOT re-installed them. Our money at work!   :clap:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 16, 2010, 09:05:44 PM
It was the only quick thing I could think of as to why they would replace the signals... :) I haven't been in that area for a couple of years now, so I was only assuming that more traffic lights had been added to the ever retail center/subdivision growing Florida 50. I do agree for whatever the purpose for replacing the signals, it was a waste of money (at last I remember it cost about $250,000 for signalization of an intersection...)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 16, 2010, 10:48:13 PM
Has anybody heard anything new on when US-41 signage will show back up past US-1 in Miami all the way to Miami Beach?  Last I heard anything about this was back in 2007.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Lyle on February 17, 2010, 12:06:26 AM
Has anybody heard anything new on when US-41 signage will show back up past US-1 in Miami all the way to Miami Beach?  Last I heard anything about this was back in 2007.

I believe U.S. 41 ends at U.S. 1 in Miami now. Last I heard, the former U.S. 41 over the Causeway is now part of FL-A1A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on February 17, 2010, 06:30:58 PM
Has anybody heard anything new on when US-41 signage will show back up past US-1 in Miami all the way to Miami Beach?  Last I heard anything about this was back in 2007.

I believe U.S. 41 ends at U.S. 1 in Miami now. Last I heard, the former U.S. 41 over the Causeway is now part of FL-A1A.

US-41 is still shown to end over in Miami Beach in FDOT's GIS data.  Also I've seen it mentioned on a few FDOT maps with shields on the MacArthur Causeway over to Miami Beach.
Also, FDOT never officially asked the AASHTO to shorten the route back in 1999.  If they had, then this question would have never been asked.
Also, see this post @ the ushwys group over @ Yahoo (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ushwys/message/7877).  (You need to be logged in and possibly be a member of the group to see it)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Lyle on February 19, 2010, 01:04:48 AM
Oh. I didn't know that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 21, 2010, 08:33:24 AM
Here is a lengthy article from the Orlando Sentinel discussing the latest on the Wekiva Parkway, the proposed 26 mile expressway that would provide the final link in the Orlando metro area beltway, connecting with Toll Florida 417 at its east end and a proposed Toll 429 at its southern end.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-02-20/news/os-wekiva-parkway-delay-frustation-20100220_1_wekiva-parkway-nancy-prine-state-road

It does mention in the article that the beltway could be finished by 2018, but I am not holding my breath...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 21, 2010, 01:40:24 PM
Here is a lengthy article from the Orlando Sentinel discussing the latest on the Wekiva Parkway, the proposed 26 mile expressway that would provide the final link in the Orlando metro area beltway, connecting with Toll Florida 417 at its east end and a proposed Toll 429 at its southern end.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2010-02-20/news/os-wekiva-parkway-delay-frustation-20100220_1_wekiva-parkway-nancy-prine-state-road

It does mention in the article that the beltway could be finished by 2018, but I am not holding my breath...

The entire Illinois Tollway system was completed in three years... My have we progressed...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 19, 2010, 10:52:13 PM
FYI to all you guys out there, I've been working on the FL State Highways for the CHM site.  And I just had FL-A1A to FL-277 posted on the site.  So, take a look at what I have done so far. ;)

http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/selecthwys.php?sys=usafl&rg=all&mt=g&gr=p&sub=Show
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 20, 2010, 02:56:30 PM
FYI to all you guys out there, I've been working on the FL State Highways for the CHM site.  And I just had FL-A1A to FL-277 posted on the site.  So, take a look at what I have done so far. ;)

http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/selecthwys.php?sys=usafl&rg=all&mt=g&gr=p&sub=Show

Very good work! Seems tough to accomplish, but now you've just got the easy routes ahead.

Are you doing the general routing of each road? (As in not getting too specific as to what's in the route log? Examples are old alignments, one-way-pairs, and ramps that are considered part of a state road.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 20, 2010, 10:33:30 PM
Are you doing the general routing of each road? (As in not getting too specific as to what's in the route log? Examples are old alignments, one-way-pairs, and ramps that are considered part of a state road.)

I'm not doing old alignments.  Only stuff that is current per the GIS data.  So, if it has an entry in the GIS data, it's game.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 21, 2010, 01:52:27 AM
I've noticed that Sumter County likes to make a lot of their signs this way. Here's one around the intersection of Sumter CR's 476 and 616 west of Bushnell.
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9928/sumtercr616toi75.th.jpg) (http://img690.imageshack.us/i/sumtercr616toi75.jpg/)

I'm going to leave the link around, just incase I want to do something else to it:
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9928/sumtercr616toi75.jpg

Title: SR 85/Crestview, FL
Post by: allniter89 on March 25, 2010, 12:10:08 AM
http://www.cityofcrestview.org/announcements/SR_85_Access_Management_Plan.pdf
A plan to limit driveway access on SR 85 which is the main business route. SR 85 is completley built up with commercial buildings the entire length of town (7miles?), hardly any vacant land available, speed limit is 45 but you're lucky if you can do 35-40. A new squadron is coming to Eglin AFB just south of town and will bring thousands more to the area. I dont think this access/service road plan will help because they are terrible drivers here. As shown in the plan most of the accidents are rear-enders from tailgating and left turn accidents. I think what we need is a total bypass of the city but since the Govt ie Eglin AFB owns much of the land in this area, it would likley be a long process to persuade the Govt to allow us to use some of their land.
There has been a long running discussion of building a bypass for Ft Walton Beach on US 98 for  from Niceville to Mary Esther FL which would also require the govt ie Hurlburt Field AF Station to give up some land.
Instead they are building a flyover at the FL85/FL123 jct that is not even needed!!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 25, 2010, 06:06:25 PM
This sign used to be on the southbound off-ramp from the Suncoast Parkway at Florida State Road 52 back in the early-2000's.

(http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/5083/floridaestateswinerysun.th.jpg) (http://img205.imageshack.us/i/floridaestateswinerysun.jpg/)

It's not there now, because the winery isn't there now.

Two other views of Interstate 75 at the Hernando-Sumter County Line:

(http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/3690/i75hernandosumterline.th.jpg) (http://img338.imageshack.us/i/i75hernandosumterline.jpg/)(http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5421/i75sumtercoline.th.jpg) (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/i75sumtercoline.jpg/)

Sorry I couldn't capture a view of the Withlacoochee River.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 02, 2010, 07:44:03 PM
Trolling around the cflroads.com website, there are future plans to finally widen SR 483 in Daytona Beach (design begins in May).

-There is a project to rehabilitate the rigid pavement along an eight-mile section of US 92 near Clark Bay Road (in December). Hopefully, this isn't the start of the end of the concrete roadway between DeLand and Daytona Beach.
-Traffic signals will be installed at West Parkway and US 92 in DeLand this Fall.
-Red Bug Lake Road/SR 436 flyover will start construction in one year.
-Traffic signals coming to SR 436 and Orange Avenue in Forest City.
-International Parkway will be connected to SR 417, in Lake Mary/Heathrow, this upcoming Winter.
-SR 471 and Sumter CR 48 will get a traffic signal next Spring, along with some intersection widening.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 05, 2010, 05:32:35 PM
Orange CR 420 has been realigned at the intersection with CR 419 to "meet" the "broken" sections, and a traffic signal has been installed. No more dangerous stop-signed, waiting to make a turn onto CR 419 anymore. On the old alignment, they still left a tiny bridge and most of the road, so I'll get some pictures tomorrow of it. The orphaned section is now Old Lake Pickett Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 05, 2010, 10:32:32 PM
-SR 471 and Sumter CR 48 will get a traffic signal next Spring, along with some intersection widening.
For SR 471 or Sumter CR 48?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 06, 2010, 04:06:35 PM
-SR 471 and Sumter CR 48 will get a traffic signal next Spring, along with some intersection widening.
For SR 471 or Sumter CR 48?

The way it was stated, just the intersection was going to be widened...most likely to add turn lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 06, 2010, 10:02:26 PM
The way it was stated, just the intersection was going to be widened...most likely to add turn lanes.
So just the one intersection and no others? Oh, well.


Anyway, what other state will you find rest areas with a sign like this?
(http://img541.imageshack.us/img541/129/poisonoussnakewarningsi.th.jpg) (http://img541.imageshack.us/i/poisonoussnakewarningsi.jpg/)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 07, 2010, 11:48:36 AM

Anyway, what other state will you find rest areas with a sign like this?



They have similar type signs warning of rattle snakes at rest areas in the desert southwest.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 07, 2010, 01:08:59 PM
yep, anything from west Texas to California.  Also, in Baja California, Mexico, at the rest stop on La Rumerosa pass, there is a warning sign about snakes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 11, 2010, 03:07:17 PM
Some pictures:

Indian River CR 611 at SR 60.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P2130382.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P2130390.jpg)

Obnoxious signs along SR 15 at SR 408 on the west side of Lake Underhill.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P3050479.jpg)

A nice relic on CR 507 at the Brevard/Indian River County Line.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/PC260150.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 11, 2010, 03:14:15 PM
The wooden Taylor Creek Road bridge that is slated to be replaced soon.

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P3280574.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P3280575.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P3280576.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P3280578.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P3280579.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 11, 2010, 11:07:21 PM
FYI to all you guys out there, I've been working on the FL State Highways for the CHM site.  And I just had FL-A1A to FL-277 posted on the site.  So, take a look at what I have done so far. ;)

http://cmap.m-plex.com/hb/selecthwys.php?sys=usafl&rg=all&mt=g&gr=p&sub=Show

Up to FL-508 now posted at the link above.
Title: Photos of SR 85 & 123 road work
Post by: Alex on April 16, 2010, 05:19:52 PM
Finally got a chance to try out the new camera. Took some photos of the SR 85 and SR 123 interchange work:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_nb_app_fl-123.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_nb_app_fl-123.jpg)

Earth moving operations are quite evident on the west side of Florida north of Florida 123. This will eventually accommodate an off-ramp between northbound SR 85 to northbound SR 123.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_nb_after_fl-123.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_nb_after_fl-123.jpg)

The first piles for the bridge over SR 85 for the new ramp rise along the east side of Florida 85.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_sb_app_fl-123.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-085_sb_app_fl-123.jpg)

Looking south from Florida 85 at Florida 123. Additional ramps will tie into Northwest Florida Regional Airport to the east.



(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/plate_wall.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/plate_wall.jpg)

And for fun, my partially completed (and not quite so in alphabetical order) plate wall and a glimpse of a Jake-created blue U.S. 90 shield.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on April 16, 2010, 07:01:50 PM
Finally got a chance to try out the new camera. Took some photos of the SR 85 and SR 123 interchange work:

Nice pics! What kind of camera did you get?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ian on April 16, 2010, 09:57:56 PM
Finally got a chance to try out the new camera. Took some photos of the SR 85 and SR 123 interchange work:

Nice pics! What kind of camera did you get?

He got a Canon Powershot A1100, which I suggested  :cool:. Alex, how did it work out for you? Nice pics!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 21, 2010, 12:36:28 AM
I just got a Kodak EasyShare C182 a couple of weeks ago, although I haven't taken any impressive road shots yet.

I do plan another road trip up north this Spring, and I'm definitley going to be taking some pictues, although most of them will be for railroad stations and historic sites for Wikipedia.

Perhaps I'll try to squeeze some road scenes in on this trip. I'd like to be able to get something that I can mount the camera on my dashboard with.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 21, 2010, 12:47:54 AM
I'd like to be able to get something that I can mount the camera on my dashboard with.


I do not believe that is necessary.  The C182 is modern enough that if you hold it in your hand and point it through the windshield, it will take a high-quality photo.  Just take lots of photos; a few of them will come out!  that's the way I've always done things  :sombrero:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 21, 2010, 12:53:36 AM
I guess I could give it a try.

Hey, while we're on the discussion of I-75 in Florida, I've got two old proposals from FDOT and the Turnpike Enterprise for the redesigning of Exits 328 and 329.


This is the general proposal. If you'd like, I can also post a picture of the wetlands impact map.

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5516/i75fltpkfl44reconstruct.jpg) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/i75fltpkfl44reconstruct.jpg/)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on April 21, 2010, 12:58:59 AM
I guess I could give it a try.


it is quite easy.  Modern cameras are amazing.  I use a DSLR as my primary setup, but my camera is a 2005 design (Nikon D50) and I have used several compacts that severely outperform it in all cases with the exception of a few extreme zoom settings.  
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on April 21, 2010, 10:16:27 AM
it is quite easy.  Modern cameras are amazing.  I use a DSLR as my primary setup, but my camera is a 2005 design (Nikon D50) and I have used several compacts that severely outperform it in all cases with the exception of a few extreme zoom settings. 

I have both a Canon SD750 point-and-shoot and a Canon EOS XS DSLR. Both take excellent pictures, and I use both frequently. I've found that the major advantage that an entry-level DSLR has over a compact isn't necessarily the image quality itself (they'll often use the same image processor and sensors) but the ability to swap lenses and the fact that many companies don't allow the user direct control over aperture and shutter speed on many compact cameras.

For road photos, not having to look through an optical viewfinder is probably the biggest argument for a POS camera over a DSLR.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: TheStranger on April 21, 2010, 02:10:09 PM

For road photos, not having to look through an optical viewfinder is probably the biggest argument for a POS camera over a DSLR.

Newer DSLRs now also offer live view in addition to the optical viewfinder...

With my Nikon D40, I find that my older manual focus lenses set to infinity actually make road photography much easier, as the issue of autofocus systems targeting the window or trying to acquire a target and struggling becomes moot.  I'd love to upgrade to a D5000 though at some point (can still use my oldest manual focus lenses, but has the D90/D300 sensor, video mode, faster FPS, and live view).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 25, 2010, 12:11:48 AM
So, anybody know what's up with FDOT not updating the GIS for the FL-548 extension?  I noticed it's already on OSM.  But I haven't seen anything “official” on it yet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 25, 2010, 07:55:51 PM
So, anybody know what's up with FDOT not updating the GIS for the FL-548 extension?  I noticed it's already on OSM.  But I haven't seen anything “official” on it yet.

No idea about it, but the approval date was 12/02/2009.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 25, 2010, 09:57:33 PM
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-098b_wb_at_i-110_nb.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/us-098b_wb_at_i-110_nb.jpg)

Spoke with the traffic operations designer/project manager at FDOT District 3 about six weeks ago and emailed him a list signing issues that need to be (or should be) addressed. Got a response from him last week indicating that they logged in my request and were reviewing. Well today I noticed that the missing sign for I-110 north from US 98 Business (Gregory Street) west, gone since Hurricane Ivan in September 2004, was finally replaced!

How it looked (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=pensacola,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.812293,114.521484&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Pensacola,+Escambia,+Florida&ll=30.419664,-87.205138&spn=0,0.018067&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=30.417092,-87.206535&panoid=xAwemUUNZRJkHw7flela1g&cbp=12,273.36,,0,-1.15) before the new sign was added.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 26, 2010, 02:44:14 PM
Nice of them to finally add it! I prefer to know where the on-ramps are going. Now, if they'd add some Business 98 markers somewhere....
Title: New overlays for Exit 10 of Interstate 10
Post by: Alex on May 02, 2010, 02:42:33 PM
We noted some sign changes for Exit 10 (U.S. 29) on panels for both directions of Interstate 10 on Friday. "Pensacola Blvd" was crammed in the various overhead signs for the directional-cloverleaf interchange...

Westbound signage:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010b_01.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010b_01.jpg)

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010b_02.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010b_02.jpg)

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010a_01.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_wb_exit_010a_01.jpg)

Eastbound signage:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_eb_exit_010a_01.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_eb_exit_010a_01.jpg)

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_eb_exit_010b_01.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-010_eb_exit_010b_01.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 02, 2010, 05:10:41 PM
That brings back memories of Brevard County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 10, 2010, 08:51:25 PM
FL-39A, legit or not?  It doesn't show up in the GIS data, however it's posted in the field.  Comments? (need to know if I need to add it to the CHM site for the FL highways part that I'm working on.)

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016839,-82.138609&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016885,-82.138698&panoid=yz8NJYivxhOOJiKmlYGUdQ&cbp=12,91.44,,0,2.85
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016802,-82.137893&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016896,-82.137892&panoid=GrvLQcvdyvOXfzFBjdp4DQ&cbp=12,18.87,,0,-1.79
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.01808,-82.137896&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.018163,-82.137899&panoid=9FFubfeT1InWGaDFQ6o8_A&cbp=12,29.11,,0,4.31

If I need to add it, what's it's full route?
Title: I-375(FL) Exit Numbers???
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 14, 2010, 06:31:10 AM
Another question I have is.... Has I-375 gained exit numbers??  Wikipedia and the FDOT Interchange Report (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/hwydata/interchange.pdf) both show that it has gained exit numbers for all it's exits EXCEPT for I-275's one.  Has anybody seen this, or have pictures of them?
Title: Re: I-375(FL) Exit Numbers???
Post by: Alex on May 14, 2010, 10:20:02 AM
Another question I have is.... Has I-375 gained exit numbers??  Wikipedia and the FDOT Interchange Report (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/hwydata/interchange.pdf) both show that it has gained exit numbers for all it's exits EXCEPT for I-275's one.  Has anybody seen this, or have pictures of them?

They did some sign replacement in 2007 down there, and no exit numbers were added. I highly doubt they will be added going forward.

GSV has high res photography down there now, definitely taken within the last two years, and there are no exit tabs here http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=st.+petersburg,+fl&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=43.443045,107.138672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=St.+Petersburg,+Pinellas,+Florida&ll=27.776994,-82.651327&spn=0.011904,0.034332&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=27.776977,-82.65123&panoid=Cif1uNwFs5TH2xIbwtrh_w&cbp=12,91.79,,0,1.29
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 14, 2010, 05:23:54 PM
That's why I asked if they were a recent addition to the highway.  Because it seems odd that they would list exit numbers in the Interchange Report for I-375.  Heck, even the MS&T data shows Exit #1's number.  So, I just don't know what to say.  I-375 in StreetView might have been one of the first to get the HD treatment, so things could have changed.


Also Alex, any opinion on my FL-39A question at the bottom of the previous page?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 16, 2010, 09:25:47 AM
I guess I could give it a try.

Hey, while we're on the discussion of I-75 in Florida, I've got two old proposals from FDOT and the Turnpike Enterprise for the redesigning of Exits 328 and 329.


This is the general proposal. If you'd like, I can also post a picture of the wetlands impact map.

(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5516/i75fltpkfl44reconstruct.jpg) (http://img710.imageshack.us/i/i75fltpkfl44reconstruct.jpg/)



Vey nice proposal :)  but I wonder if you could do an edit of your proposed rendering to include a proposed but cancelled extension of FL-91/FL Tpk to Tallahassee?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 17, 2010, 08:51:55 PM
FL-39A, legit or not?  It doesn't show up in the GIS data, however it's posted in the field.  Comments? (need to know if I need to add it to the CHM site for the FL highways part that I'm working on.)

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016839,-82.138609&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016885,-82.138698&panoid=yz8NJYivxhOOJiKmlYGUdQ&cbp=12,91.44,,0,2.85
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016802,-82.137893&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016896,-82.137892&panoid=GrvLQcvdyvOXfzFBjdp4DQ&cbp=12,18.87,,0,-1.79
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.01808,-82.137896&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.018163,-82.137899&panoid=9FFubfeT1InWGaDFQ6o8_A&cbp=12,29.11,,0,4.31

If I need to add it, what's it's full route?

It's only signed from US 92 to I-4.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 17, 2010, 09:06:39 PM
FL-39A, legit or not?  It doesn't show up in the GIS data, however it's posted in the field.  Comments? (need to know if I need to add it to the CHM site for the FL highways part that I'm working on.)

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016839,-82.138609&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016885,-82.138698&panoid=yz8NJYivxhOOJiKmlYGUdQ&cbp=12,91.44,,0,2.85
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.016802,-82.137893&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.016896,-82.137892&panoid=GrvLQcvdyvOXfzFBjdp4DQ&cbp=12,18.87,,0,-1.79
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=28.01808,-82.137896&spn=0,0.003484&z=19&layer=c&cbll=28.018163,-82.137899&panoid=9FFubfeT1InWGaDFQ6o8_A&cbp=12,29.11,,0,4.31

If I need to add it, what's it's full route?

It's only signed from US 92 to I-4.

But is it a legit route since it doesn't show up in the GIS?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 17, 2010, 09:09:35 PM
It's not on the Fed-Aid maps.

[From last July, some pages back in this thread]
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-Hillsborough CR 39A is signed as State Route 39A, reassurances and all from I-4 to about SR 574......are they redesignating it as an SR since it's a truck route bypassing downtown Plant City? It's not on the county road system anymore as per the 2008 FHD CD.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 17, 2010, 09:37:17 PM
Alright, for now I'll leave it off, but I'll keep tabs on that encase I need to add it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 18, 2010, 09:53:23 AM
Vey nice proposal :)  but I wonder if you could do an edit of your proposed rendering to include a proposed but cancelled extension of FL-91/FL Tpk to Tallahassee?
Sorry, I haven't found anything on that yet.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: lamsalfl on May 18, 2010, 09:33:41 PM
I think we'll eventually see a Turnpike extension to Lebanon.  I wish we could extend it as an inland coastal route on the southern edge of Eglin for the Emerald Coast but I know that's just a pipedream.  I would love it if we saw a toll road from I-10 to Panama City if they aren't going to build an interstate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on May 19, 2010, 05:54:39 PM
Sorry, I haven't found anything on that yet.

The only thing about the extension to Lebanon is at a back-up copy of Mike Natale's toll road site located at the Internet archive http://web.archive.org/web/19990209002454/www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~mn2n/tollfl.html



Just fixed the quote.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 04, 2010, 02:46:59 PM
Here's a sign I'd like to see on the northwestbound lane of US 98 next to the Suncoast Trail Head near the current end of Suncoast Parkway.
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5066/suncoasttrailuturnsign.th.jpg) (http://img41.imageshack.us/i/suncoasttrailuturnsign.jpg/)
Left-turn access to the trailhead has been relocated west of the driveway since the road was widened to four lanes between the Suncoast Parkway and US 19, so this sign would be a good idea. I tried to suggest it to FDOT #7, but they turned it down.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 23, 2010, 06:32:31 PM
Are any of these still around?

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM004775.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 23, 2010, 08:25:15 PM
Plenty of the green toll-type FL 869 signs in Broward.  What are rare are the Sawgrass Expressway signs with the frog logo.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 23, 2010, 10:28:48 PM
Thought they would be rare like the frog logos. I do have a picture of the frog one from Coral Springs (the only one I've ever seen down there).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 24, 2010, 02:10:50 PM
The intersection where I believe your picture was taken is northbound University Drive approaching West Sample Road, the center of Coral Springs.

When this intersection was greatly enhanced with new turning lanes a couple of years ago, the original frog signage for the Sawgrass Expressway was taken down and the green toll-type Sawgrass signs were erected.

You will find that there is a mish-mash of signs identifying the Sawgrass/FL 869, with most of the newest signs on the Expressway itself with the green TOLL bar and the white/black Florida graphic for FL 869 with a rounded bottom.  When the Sawgrass Expressway was widened from four to six lanes, nearly all the signs were replaced and mileage-based exits are in place.

Many of the Sawgrass signs at the exit ramps were heavily damaged during Hurricane Wilma (October 24, 2005), toppling completely, including the VERY substantial gantry AND poles.  There was a huge junk pile of broken, bent, smashed signs, crossbars, sign lights and gantries deposited at the exit ramps for US 441 and the Sawgrass from 2005-2006 and it took more than a year to replace all the signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 24, 2010, 03:45:28 PM
The intersection where I believe your picture was taken is northbound University Drive approaching West Sample Road, the center of Coral Springs.

When this intersection was greatly enhanced with new turning lanes a couple of years ago, the original frog signage for the Sawgrass Expressway was taken down and the green toll-type Sawgrass signs were erected.

Exactly where it was. I wasn't sure if the signs were still around so I didn't want to give specifics ;) Thanks for the update. Did they also replace all the SR 817 & SR 834 signage at the intersection, too?

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You will find that there is a mish-mash of signs identifying the Sawgrass/FL 869, with most of the newest signs on the Expressway itself with the green TOLL bar and the white/black Florida graphic for FL 869 with a rounded bottom.  When the Sawgrass Expressway was widened from four to six lanes, nearly all the signs were replaced and mileage-based exits are in place.

Many of the Sawgrass signs at the exit ramps were heavily damaged during Hurricane Wilma (October 24, 2005), toppling completely, including the VERY substantial gantry AND poles.  There was a huge junk pile of broken, bent, smashed signs, crossbars, sign lights and gantries deposited at the exit ramps for US 441 and the Sawgrass from 2005-2006 and it took more than a year to replace all the signs.

That would have been a nice pile to go digging through. The white on green signs are being phased out? Do the replacement signs still list the state road shields on them (even though no state routes touch the Sawgrass)?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 24, 2010, 05:18:52 PM
Yes, all the signs at the intersection of FL 817 and FL 834 have been replaced.

The new Sawgrass Expressway BGS all indicate Florida state route numbers that are not signed all the way to the highway.  Even the US 441 interchange indicates the unsigned FL 7.

The green with white letters signs remain at most of the entrance points.  BGS for the entrances to the Sawgrass have the newer map graphic with the TOLL bar.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 24, 2010, 05:38:56 PM
The new Sawgrass Expressway BGS all indicate Florida state route numbers that are not signed all the way to the highway.  Even the US 441 interchange indicates the unsigned FL 7.

I think Commercial Blvd (or some other road in the area) has overhead BGSs indicating FL 7 with no mention of US 441 on them. Also, thanks for all the answers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 24, 2010, 06:22:25 PM
Yes, the new overhead sign gantries at US 441 and Commercial Blvd indicate only the unsigned FL 7.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on June 25, 2010, 07:59:25 AM
Has anybody been on US 441 at the interchange with FL 46?


There are no BGS's and no sign gantries. What's up with that?


 :confused:  :-/

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 02, 2010, 07:38:10 PM
The US 441/FL 46 interchange has always been like that for as long as I've known.

Went to the Daytona Beach area yesterday and this is what was sighted...

-Construction on US 1, removing the existing median and rebuilding it (possibly) similar to what has been done north of US 92, is underway from FL 400 to Magnolia Ave (one block south of US 92). Traffic lanes have been shifted into the right lane and its parking spots that were along the sides of the highway. A couple intersections have had an extra traffic signal attached, in each direction, to the spanwires because of that.

-Dunn Avenue is being extended westward to I-95. Not sure if there is going to be interchange, or how they'll do it, because Tomoka Farms Road runs very close on the west side of I-95.

-Widening of Williamson Blvd (CR 4009) is underway from Dunn Avenue to LPGA Blvd (CR 4017).

-On south-bound US 1 at FL 400, they've replaced the overheads with three huge, separate panels. One is a directional for FL 400 and the other two are trailblazers for I-4 and I-95. On north-bound US 1, the spanwire sign assembly has been removed and nothing has been put up as a replacement, so when you are approaching FL 400, there is only a JCT assembly and that's it.

-On US 1 north at FL 421/FL A1A, the overhead BGS has been replaced with three separate panels. Two are directionals for FL 421 and FL A1A, and in the middle is a trailblazer for I-95.

-On US 92 west of Daytona, where the connection to I-4 is, the old-style US 92 pull-through overhead has been replaced with two huge panels. One is a directional for I-4 and the other is a pull-through for US 92.

-An "I-4 Ends 1 1/2 miles" ground-mounted BGS has been put up on I-4 east-bound.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 04, 2010, 09:39:26 AM
-An "I-4 Ends 1 1/2 miles" ground-mounted BGS has been put up on I-4 east-bound.
Wow! It's nice to hear that Interstate 4 now has somewhat a mention of an end (though most know where it does end...) :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 04, 2010, 10:47:51 AM
-An "I-4 Ends 1 1/2 miles" ground-mounted BGS has been put up on I-4 east-bound.
Wow! It's nice to hear that Interstate 4 now has somewhat a mention of an end (though most know where it does end...) :)


They must've had to make a quick decision on it since the "I-295 Ends" sign will have to be revoked soon enough. (I didn't get pictures because I wasn't expecting it.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 04, 2010, 10:08:46 PM
The US 441/FL 46 interchange has always been like that for as long as I've known.

It's still a bad idea. I had to cross two lanes of traffic to get to the ramp. I'm going to write to FDOT #5 about it.


-An "I-4 Ends 1 1/2 miles" ground-mounted BGS has been put up on I-4 east-bound.

Any idea how long it was up? Because I drove through there in early June and there's a good chance I didn't pay too much attention to it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 05, 2010, 04:56:07 PM
-An "I-4 Ends 1 1/2 miles" ground-mounted BGS has been put up on I-4 east-bound.

Any idea how long it was up? Because I drove through there in early June and there's a good chance I didn't pay too much attention to it.


No idea at all. It's been a while since I was last there and that sign definitely caught my attention. It could have gone up anytime from when the various, select BGSs (listed above) were replaced (project was planned to start in late 2009/early 2010) to sometime in June.


Oh, and a traffic signal has been installed at I-4 and CR 4146 (Exit 111A-B). It's for the turn lane from eastbound CR 4146 onto eastbound I-4, similar to the Maitland Blvd one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 15, 2010, 05:26:05 PM
Had the Sunshine Skyway never been added to the Interstate system, Interstate 275 through Pinellas may have ended at 62nd Street South and been designated Interstate 175:

St. Petersburg Interstate Route Will Be A Bypass. (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=WLgMAAAAIBAJ&sjid=GWADAAAAIBAJ&dq=interstate%20175&pg=6990%2C1706756)

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If the Skyway is not upgraded, the interstate will end at 62nd Avenue S and pick up again a mile south of the Sunshine Skyway. In that case, the interstate through Pinellas would be called I-175, another indication of a by-pass route, Monts de Oca said.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Interstate275Fla on July 17, 2010, 01:04:35 PM
Another question I have is.... Has I-375 gained exit numbers??  Wikipedia and the FDOT Interchange Report (http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/hwydata/interchange.pdf) both show that it has gained exit numbers for all it's exits EXCEPT for I-275's one.  Has anybody seen this, or have pictures of them?

When Interstate 375 opened in the late 1970's, it did have exit numbers:  Exit 1 for M L King St N and 8 St N and Exit 2 for 4 St N, both reached from 4 Av N.  The exit numbers were taken down as part of new signage replacing the original signage, which was part of a pavement rehabilitation project that took place in 2006.

I have pictures of Interstate 375 (the north downtown St. Petersburg feeder) over at Interstate275Florida.com, but they show only the new signage:

http://www.interstate275florida.com/I375.htm (http://www.interstate275florida.com/I375.htm)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 29, 2010, 07:11:45 PM
A couple notes from Downtown Orlando...

-The 1st generation non-keys shield for SR 527, north of Gore Street on northbound Orange, has been removed. It used to be signed at a pavement change, but there looked to be resurfacing of Orange between Gore and Lucerne Circle, so away went the sign.

-It looks like the "South SR 15 / TO SR 408" assembly on South Street, just east of Orange, has been removed. :(
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on July 29, 2010, 10:06:04 PM
This afternoon, I had a meeting in Miami-Dade County and this was the first time I had driven in the daytime down in '-Dade in about four years.

I traveled along the Sawgrass Expressway from US 441/FL 7, Interstate 75 from Exit 19 (I-595 and FL 869) to Exit 1B at the Palmetto Expressway and down the Palmetto (FL 826) to West Flagler Street, the east-west thoroughfare that divides the NW/SW gridiron of most Miami-Dade County streets.

There have been a tremendous number of BGS replacements with new gantries along Interstate 75, many heavily damaged after Hurricane Wilma on October 24, 2005.

For the first time, the State has installed highway shoulder light poles at the huge, multi-lane flyover stack interchange at I-75, I-595 and FL 869 (Exit 19).  This massive interchange used to be completely dark.

There has been a wholesale replacement of signs on the Palmetto Expressway and much of the construction has ended, leaving a largely 10-lane, median-lit expressway.  Nonetheless, construction and lots of earthmoving has begun to completely revamp the outmoded interchange at FL 826 and FL 836 (the Dolphin Expressway).  Since the exit from the Palmetto Expressway to West Flagler Street is only half a mile from the ramps of the Dolphin, the earthmoving mounds extend all the way to the West Flagler ramps.

I did find an oddity.  The "TOLL" bar on new shields for the FL 924 (the Gratigny Expressway) (say "grat-knee") is yellow instead of green.  There are also new signs indicating both Sunpass and Toll-by-Plate for FL 924, the toll booths having been removed about a month ago.

Permanently installed speed monitors with flashing red (over the limit) or solid yellow (at the 65 mph limit or below) are signed prominently on the northbound shoulder of the Sawgrass between Exits 11 and 14 immediately south of the Sawgrass "big curve."  All Sawgrass Expressway construction has also ended.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 30, 2010, 11:24:52 AM
If the yellow toll bar is for toll-by-plate, it sounds like a good idea for the difference in colors on the toll shield.

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Brevard County may be getting a new "expressway"(??).

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Construction could begin as soon as early next year on new $110 million dollar expressway in Brevard County. The 30 mile long expressway, which will not have tolls, will run from Micco Road in Palm Bay and then curve up along Interstate 95 to Ellis Road in Melbourne.
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Brevard County, The City of Palm Bay, private investors, along with the Federal Government would pay for the project.

In addition to building the expressway, the Florida Department of Transportation is planning to spend $40 million to build two interchanges along Interstate 95 at Ellis and Micco Roads so drivers on the interstate can access the expressway.

http://www.wftv.com/news/24445523/detail.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on July 30, 2010, 04:10:04 PM
I did find an oddity.  The "TOLL" bar on new shields for the FL 924 (the Gratigny Expressway) (say "grat-knee") is yellow instead of green.  There are also new signs indicating both Sunpass and Toll-by-Plate for FL 924, the toll booths having been removed about a month ago.

Permanently installed speed monitors with flashing red (over the limit) or solid yellow (at the 65 mph limit or below) are signed prominently on the northbound shoulder of the Sawgrass between Exits 11 and 14 immediately south of the Sawgrass "big curve."  All Sawgrass Expressway construction has also ended.

Last time I was down in the Miami area was around May. This was before the Gratigny (FL-924) was converted to all-electronic toll collection. I noticed on a few interchanges on the Palmetto (FL-826) that the toll bar was indeed yellow, but some other shields had the green bar as usual on Florida toll shields. Can anyone confirm that all of them have been converted to yellow? That would be interesting if Florida is using the yellow color to distinguish toll roads with all-electronic toll collection from the ones that still accept cash.

Also last time I drove the Sawgrass (FL-869) was late June. Around the "big curve" you mentioned, there were speed monitors that showed your speed, if I remember. I'm not sure if they flashed red or not, but I'm pretty sure the speed around that curve is lower than 65. I wouldn't take that curve at 65 - maybe at 55 or 60. I'm not sure what the recommended speed around the curve is, but I'm pretty sure I went above it and I don't remember any flashing red lights. Anyone know if this is a fairly recent addition since last month?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 30, 2010, 06:35:50 PM
Brevard County may be getting a new expressway.

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Construction could begin as soon as early next year on new $110 million dollar expressway in Brevard County. The 30 mile long expressway, which will not have tolls, will run from Micco Road in Palm Bay and then curve up along Interstate 95 to Ellis Road in Melbourne.
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Brevard County, The City of Palm Bay, private investors, along with the Federal Government would pay for the project.

In addition to building the expressway, the Florida Department of Transportation is planning to spend $40 million to build two interchanges along Interstate 95 at Ellis and Micco Roads so drivers on the interstate can access the expressway.

http://www.wftv.com/news/24445523/detail.html


This proposed 32-mile expressway is going to be referred to as the St. John's Heritage Parkway (http://stjohnsheritageparkway.com/). The parkway was originally known as the Palm Bay Beltway and the Palm Bay Parkway. Plans call for there to be the two new interchanges at Interstate 95 at Ellis Road (north of the U.S. 192 interchange) and just north of Micco Road on the southern end, with at grade intersections along the corridor. A plan from DRMP calls for a signal at U.S. 192 with bridges over the C-83, C-52 and C-52 canals (with the C-52 canal bridge also going over Simon Road. The plan also shows a northern alignment referred to as the Washingtonia Extension that will parallel Interstate 95 immediately to its west from the SJHP north through the area of Lake Washington. The plan does not have any specifics south of Palm Bay Regional Park along Malabar Road. You can view the plan here: http://www.drmp.com/Brevard/Images/ProjectMap.pdf

Another document calls for the parkway to have speed limits of 45-50 mph with the capacity of traffic signals every quarter mile to one mile apart.
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/systems/sm/corridor/study/Technical%20Memorandum%20Alternative%20Options%20and%20Policy%20Implications.pdf
(See page 21 of the PDF for this information)

And I was hoping for an actual expressway...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 31, 2010, 12:50:11 PM
I hope they realize traffic signals are a bad, bad, bad, bad idea. The way WFTV was reporting it made it sound like exits galore and cutting travel time by dividing up the traffic on I-95.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on July 31, 2010, 06:05:48 PM
Well you know how the media is about relaying stories to the public. That is why it pays to do some research before breaking the story...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 02, 2010, 08:09:06 AM
Here's a good map from the City of Palm Bay that shows the entire proposed alignment:
http://palmbayflorida.org/utilities/divisions/documents/proposed_parkway.pdf

They said they're going to model it on JYP in Orlando. They're going to limit the number of driveways and stop lights to supposedly minimize disruption. It seems shortsighted to me. I'd much rather have a proper beltway (even if it's tolled) than to have a surface road with even more lights.

And in other Brevard County news, the 6-laning of CR-516 (Palm Bay Road) is now done. Traffic flows MUCH better, although everyone here is still complaining about how the lights aren't coordinated (or if they are, they all seem to be coordinated 180 degrees out of phase).

And the Pineda Cswy interchange along I-95 is progressing nicely. I think I heard that it will open in the next few months. When it does, I'll try to get pictures.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 02, 2010, 11:59:54 AM
And the Pineda Cswy interchange along I-95 is progressing nicely. I think I heard that it will open in the next few months. When it does, I'll try to get pictures.

Good! Do you happen know if it's going to be signed as SR 404, or does that come later?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 02, 2010, 12:54:35 PM
Good! Do you happen know if it's going to be signed as SR 404, or does that come later?

I'm not sure. It's a county project, but FDOT did kick in some money for it. If FDOT doesn't own the road, it isn't signed as a state highway, correct? In that case, I would assume it's going to be CR-404. When they realigned the intersection with Wickham Road, they put up new 404 signage for the realigned portion east of Wickham, but the currently open part west of Wickham isn't signed yet.

Once it's open, Viera is planning on extending Lake Andrews Blvd. south to meet up with it just west of 95, and they're working on bridging the 100 yd gap between St. Andrews Blvd. in Suntree with Brisbane Ave to connect up with the new Pineda extension. Longer range, the Space Coast TPO has in their 2035 plan to extend the Palm Bay Parkway north to connect with Pineda/Lake Andrews and also to connect with an extended Ellis Road at a new interchange with I95 between 192 and 518.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 06, 2010, 02:36:14 AM
Good! Do you happen know if it's going to be signed as SR 404, or does that come later?
I'm not sure. It's a county project, but FDOT did kick in some money for it. If FDOT doesn't own the road, it isn't signed as a state highway, correct? In that case, I would assume it's going to be CR-404. When they realigned the intersection with Wickham Road, they put up new 404 signage for the realigned portion east of Wickham, but the currently open part west of Wickham isn't signed yet.

That's correct as far as I know; the only exception would be the toll roads. The new SR 404 signage on Wickham seem to be errors(?) since SR 404's western terminus is technically at US 1 (or the railroad tracks). Maybe they're being overzealous with it, heh.

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There is a lot of sad news concerning central Orlando. The last state-named I-4 shield has been Joehlered...ZOINKS!  :wow: [I am bummed out.] The lazy tard who took it left the JCT sign behind. Also, the old traffic signals at the Orange/Magnolia/Lakeview/Ivanhoe split-offs are being replaced with.....mast arms  :ded:  What a travesty!

On the bright side (if there is one), SR 527 has been resurfaced north of SR 50.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on August 06, 2010, 11:02:46 AM
There is a lot of sad news concerning central Orlando. The last state-named I-4 shield has been Joehlered...ZOINKS!  :wow: [I am bummed out.] The lazy tard who took it left the JCT sign behind. Also, the old traffic signals at the Orange/Magnolia/Lakeview/Ivanhoe split-offs are being replaced with.....mast arms  :ded:  What a travesty!

Indeed, it is very sad news to hear that BOTH the sign is gone and they are replacing the old signals [holds head down and utters major *sigh*]... :(

Maybe we should keep an eye on EBay to see if it (the state named shield) does indeed pop up on there. That will be a tell-tale sign on what happened to it...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ian on August 06, 2010, 12:57:09 PM
There is a lot of sad news concerning central Orlando. The last state-named I-4 shield has been Joehlered...ZOINKS!  :wow: [I am bummed out.] The lazy tard who took it left the JCT sign behind.

Man, Joehler must be having a sign theft escapade. The old Business Spur 495 shield in Lowell suffered the same fate. The JCT tab is all that remains.
(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/MA/MA19614954i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 06, 2010, 01:35:55 PM
And people gave Jake so much shit for wanting to conceal the locations of sign finds...  :hmmm:

Both cases irritate me greatly. Its one thing if the DOT/City Public Works/Etc. just decided to replace the signs, or remove them completely (i.e. they were no longer necessary), but three cases where an old sign was ganked while the "JCT" panel remains (remember that US 611 shield?).  :banghead:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 06, 2010, 01:57:54 PM
honestly, if someone wants to yank a sign, I'd rather it be a collector than the highway department. 

Being put up on someone's warehouse wall infinitely beats getting melted down and turned into guardrails.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 07, 2010, 02:53:31 PM
ZOMG, you guys! Stay on topic!   :)

Indeed, it is very sad news to hear that BOTH the sign is gone and they are replacing the old signals [holds head down and utters major *sigh*]... :(

Maybe we should keep an eye on EBay to see if it (the state named shield) does indeed pop up on there. That will be a tell-tale sign on what happened to it...

Agree about Feebay, just to see if the unscrupulous one shows up. But, it was only a matter of time before those lights became history; the ones at Virginia and Orange were replaced back around 2006 or so (and then you had Robinson/Orange, Concord/Magnolia, Mills/some road south of 408, South/Division, and Hughey/Robinson.....2003 was a good year for the old signals). This leaves six full intersections of old lights* still standing in the city, and one group has been mysteriously colored all black. [I'll find and post the photos of the extinct ones, and others in Daytona Beach that bit the dust as well.]

*Note: The term "old lights" does not refer to the rust-colored, button-backed ones that popped up possibly in the late 1970s, as there are still some of those around too.

And people gave Jake so much shit for wanting to conceal the locations of sign finds...  :hmmm:

Yeah, really.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on August 09, 2010, 07:18:34 PM
Speaking of Orlando, how is the interchange between Florida 50 and Florida 436 going? It's been a while since I have been down there.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on August 09, 2010, 11:08:21 PM
Speaking of Orlando, how is the interchange between Florida 50 and Florida 436 going? It's been a while since I have been down there.

Last I saw it (late July 2010) I had to get my brakes on my car replaced so I was mainly trying to not hit the car in front of me so I wasn't paying too good attention to the intersection, but it did look like the interchange is complete. A look at the latest imagery from Google shows that the road structure and traffic signals and such are there. Really wish I took pictures when I was in that part of town.

In another part of the county (actually in Osceola), the interchange between John Young Parkway (SR-423/CR-423) and Osceola Parkway (CR-522) looks finished too, but there were still road work signs up as of yesterday. Looks like they're doing the same thing here as they are doing for FL-436 and FL-50. JYP has the freedom of movement, and so does FL-50, with Osceola Pkwy and FL-436 underneath with a SPUI.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 11, 2010, 03:45:16 AM
It is complete with SR 50 being six lanes until SR 408, where the next phase picks up. 'Texas U-turns' are in effect at the SPUI for SR 50's off-ramp traffic.

Speaking of the Osceola County one, Dan (SPUI) stated on the Yahoo group that Osceola and John Young Parkways have been christened Truck US 17/92....another truck route that follows county routes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on August 11, 2010, 09:37:17 AM
It is complete with SR 50 being six lanes until SR 408, where the next phase picks up. 'Texas U-turns' are in effect at the SPUI for SR 50's off-ramp traffic.

Speaking of the Osceola County one, Dan (SPUI) stated on the Yahoo group that Osceola and John Young Parkways have been christened Truck US 17/92....another truck route that follows county routes.

YES! I did notice Truck US 17/92 shields and trailblazers on Osceola when I drove it about 3 days ago. They're posted both eastbound and westbound. Sure did jump out at me.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 11, 2010, 05:25:31 PM
The new SPUI probably helped in re-designating it in Kissimmee.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 12, 2010, 08:15:24 AM
Hey, do any of you know what's going on with the north end of the 429? Last time I was there, it was under construction, but I didn't think they were starting work with the expansion west around Apopka to I-4 yet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on August 12, 2010, 10:41:53 AM
Hey, do any of you know what's going on with the north end of the 429? Last time I was there, it was under construction, but I didn't think they were starting work with the expansion west around Apopka to I-4 yet.

I'm assuming you're referring to 429's northern terminus with US-441. I still think it's a traffic light. The plan is to construct the extension by splitting current 429 south of 414. Current 429 will become 451, and the new 429 will remain 429 and also be multiplexed with 414, and run northward parallel to Orange CR-437.

I'm getting this all from a map I think I acquired from OOCEA's site.

As far as construction, I think the last time I was in that area was around February of this year - though that sounds like a long time ago and I think I visited that area not too long ago, like in the past few months. There was no construction back then. When was the last time you were there, realjd?

A quick look on OOCEA's site (http://www.oocea.com) reveals the last thing even mentioned about the Wekiva Parkway was back in December 2 of last year, and that was just a public workshop.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 12, 2010, 10:55:52 AM
The last time I was up that way was around April or May. It looked like they were reconstructing the intersection with 441 and the stretch of 429 immediately south of it. It wasn't very far along in the construction so I'm couldn't get a good idea as to what they were actually doing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 12, 2010, 11:14:45 AM
(http://www.southeastroads.com/images/fl-414_map.jpg) (http://www.southeastroads.com/images/fl-414_map.jpg)

The section west of CR-437A remains unfunded. The section of existing Toll 429 north to US 441 will be left in tact as Toll 451.

Have not heard any news on the Wekiva Parkway in a long time either.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 12, 2010, 12:08:47 PM
Jesus demands keys shields and Floridachrome!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 12, 2010, 12:46:07 PM
Jesus demands keys shields and Floridachrome!

He forsake this state the minute we put in electronic tolling!

As for 429/414, I just dug around a bit on the OOCEA website. The Wekiva Parkway segment is still in the design phase. Specifically, it's the portion from 441 up through Lake County to connect to 417 and I-4.

The portion south of 441, including rerouting 429 to the west and renumbering the current portion to 451, is considered Phase II of the SR-414 project. Design is done, it's just waiting for funding for construction.

Both portions are on the FY10-FY14 five year plan.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 12, 2010, 01:24:48 PM
Hey, do any of you know what's going on with the north end of the 429? Last time I was there, it was under construction, but I didn't think they were starting work with the expansion west around Apopka to I-4 yet.

At US 441? If so, there was/is talk of extending some ramps up to Vick Road and Old Dixie Highway. And they reconfigured the on-ramp from northbound US 441 to SR 429 (via Google Maps).

There hasn't been any construction on the missing link; there is still fighting over the routing with Seminole County officials wanting a seat at the table to decide the route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brandon on August 12, 2010, 01:47:28 PM
Jesus demands keys shields and Floridachrome!

He forsake this state the minute we put in electronic tolling!

He could redeem it if the state adopts EZ-Pass (preferrably before my trip down there in September).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 12, 2010, 03:00:30 PM
He could redeem it if the state adopts EZ-Pass (preferrably before my trip down there in September).

Us Floridians will gladly do what we can to take your money, but we also secretly enjoy making things as difficult as possible for tourists. Plus, if we start taking EZ-Pass, I won't be able to smugly laugh at all the out-of-towners stuck in line at the tollbooths!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 13, 2010, 08:22:46 AM
I still don't get why they need the multiplex of 414/429. :-D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on August 13, 2010, 10:08:53 AM
I still don't get why they need the multiplex of 414/429. :-D

Perhaps the powers-that-be thought it might be easier for motorists who wish to not go through Apopka to travel along the same route number from end to end instead of getting on one numbered route then switching to another. Just a thought.   
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 13, 2010, 03:10:59 PM
I still don't get why they need the multiplex of 414/429. :-D

Perhaps the powers-that-be thought it might be easier for motorists who wish to not go through Apopka to travel along the same route number from end to end instead of getting on one numbered route then switching to another. Just a thought.  

It's one more duplex for us roadgeeks to get pictures of, clinch, and to cherish :) FDOT has a history of duplexing routes like this: SR 437 & 438 and SR 434 & 419 and SR 231 & 235 (and even Former SRs 40 & 336, possibly).

He could redeem it if the state adopts EZ-Pass (preferrably before my trip down there in September).

Funny you say that because I received a coupon in the mail (along with a toll citation) for a free* E-Pass sticker [*Note: The sticker is free but you need to purchase $25 in prepaid tolls.]


Jesus demands keys shields and Floridachrome!

And Secondary Routes, too!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on August 17, 2010, 05:10:16 PM
Just got back from a trip to Apopka. Took SR-429 from CR-535 all the way up to US-441. There was some construction near Exit 30, some orange barrels and such. Though I did notice that just west of the ROW of 429, near 414, there were construction crews and a big area of dirt. Looks like they're extending 414 westward. Not sure of any current projects with 414 but that's the only construction I noticed along 429.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 19, 2010, 08:11:43 AM
There are a few construction updates in today's paper about the I-95 widening through Brevard County:
* The widening between Palm Bay Road (CR-516) and Fiske Blvd (SR-519) will be finished in March or April - 6 months ahead of schedule
* The Pineda Causeway interchange will be opening in December
* The Viera Company, the owner of the Viera master planned community, is planning on widening Wickham Road (CR-509) to 6-lanes at and around I-95, one of the biggest bottlenecks in the county

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100819/NEWS01/8190319/Wickham-bottleneck-in-Viera-to-be-eased
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 22, 2010, 10:40:54 PM
I'm excited for the Pineda Causeway exit to open.

As promised a few posts ago, a couple photos.

Some new end signage for I-4
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/EndI_4.jpg)

Old signs at US 1 and SR 400
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Old400.jpg)

New obnoxious signs at US 1 and SR 400
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/New400.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on August 23, 2010, 10:17:11 PM
Thanks for posting that Interstate 4 ENDS sign! Not that is anything too exciting, but at least there is another clear indication that the interstate ends. I remember the first couple of times driving on Interstate 4 and completely missing the END shield because I had to keep an eye on merging vehicles...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 24, 2010, 02:23:26 AM
Thanks for posting that Interstate 4 ENDS sign! Not that is anything too exciting, but at least there is another clear indication that the interstate ends. I remember the first couple of times driving on Interstate 4 and completely missing the END shield because I had to keep an eye on merging vehicles...

Sure thing. They've changed that now, with (temporarily?) the far left lane of the dual-lane exit onto northbound I-95 removed with a stripe-out, so that there is only one lane.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on September 03, 2010, 09:26:24 AM
On my way south, I noticed a END I-95 assembly...on the ramp to I-4 West.  Huh?

Also noticed a few BGS's with button copy on eastbound US 41 approaching the Turnpike.  Is there much button copy left in FL?

I think I'll be checking out some kodachrome in Boca, Lauderdale, and Miami this weekend.  Oh, and I have to take a picture of a non-neutered FLORIDA I-75 shield I spotted last month.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 03, 2010, 12:33:41 PM
On my way south, I noticed a END I-95 assembly...on the ramp to I-4 West.  Huh?

Also noticed a few BGS's with button copy on eastbound US 41 approaching the Turnpike.  Is there much button copy left in FL?

I think I'll be checking out some kodachrome in Boca, Lauderdale, and Miami this weekend.  Oh, and I have to take a picture of a non-neutered FLORIDA I-75 shield I spotted last month.

The quirky end I-95 sign on the ramp to I-4 has been up since 2001. I suppose its to let Disney bound tourists, that for them, I-95 has ended.  :banghead:

I am surprised there is some button copy left in south Florida. There used to be a number of signs along Interstate 95 through Palm Beach County retaining it. Have never seen a button-copy based shield though in use.

There are a few instances of red U.S. 1's in Miami, a classic state-named shield for I-95 down there, and a reverse US 98 and red US 1 further north (one in Boca, the other in WPB). Pm me and I'll give you exact locations if you want.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 04, 2010, 12:34:26 AM
Well, I got the message nearly a month ago, but FDOT #5 has given me the following answer regarding the signage for the US 441/SR 46 interchange;

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"At a cost of between two and three hundred thousand dollars each, we will not be adding overhead signs to indicate the junction of SR 46 with US 441.  In addition to the cost, it is unlikely there is sufficient right of way to safely install a cantilever structure along US 441.  While there had been no previous concerns expressed regarding advance notification of the junction, we will look at possible improvements to ground mounted signing approaching the interchange in both directions."

So even if they don't have BGS's for the interchange, they're at least going to let motorists know when they're coming close to SR 46, and that's good enough for me.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 09, 2010, 02:17:05 PM
Here's an unfinished photoshop of a sign tree that I think should exist at the east end of SR 54 in Zephyrhills:

(http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/849/us301andfl39signeastend.jpg) (http://img190.imageshack.us/i/us301andfl39signeastend.jpg/)


Currently, the "TO FL 39 -->" sign is on a separate signpost.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 10, 2010, 02:04:15 AM
Did they get rid of the END SR 54 sign?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 11, 2010, 01:46:19 AM
Did they get rid of the END SR 54 sign?
You know, I honestly didn't notice it.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 11, 2010, 05:42:10 PM
Did they get rid of the END SR 54 sign?
You know, I honestly didn't notice it.

It looks like it from the photo. Didn't SR 54 used to be two lanes, without the median? The "old" sign assembly had END SR 54 on the left and US 301 [arrows, or JCT?] on the right (the picture is somewhere here), and when I took it, there was one of those black lamp posts which bisected the sign assembly straight down the middle.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 14, 2010, 04:36:50 PM
Well, in any case, there's some bad news on FDOT construction project. That big "improvement" projet they've got for I-75 in southern Pasco County; You look at all the construction, and you think  it's going to be widened from four to six lanes between SR's 54 and 56, right? WRONG! It's still four lanes wide, except at the new bridge over SR 54.

Furthermore, the new ramps that are going to prevent weaving between I-275 and SR 56, are all going to be designated Exit 275, even on I-275, where the new ramp is around the 60-ish mile marker.

As for SR 56 itself, it only goes as far east as Meadow Point Boulevard, but a recent Bay New 9 report claimed it was completed. That road's not going to be completed until it reaches US 301.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 16, 2010, 02:17:55 PM
I didn't know there is an extension of "SR 56" east from SR 581. Is this the beginning of the end for SR 54 (east of I-75) and SR 581?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on September 16, 2010, 05:36:49 PM
I didn't know there is an extension of "SR 56" east from SR 581. Is this the beginning of the end for SR 54 (east of I-75) and SR 581?
I doubt it. SRs 54 and 56 were supposed to run parallel to each other between I-75 and US 301, although a "West Zephyrhills Bypass" is planned between CR 577 and the intersection of CRs 54 & 579, which creates the potential for realignment of SR 54. SR 56 was always intended to go as far east as US 301 in Zephyrhills. Some maps in the St. Petersburg Times have already shown the segment between Morris Bridge Road and US 301 as having been built, and the land for that segment hasn't even been cleared yet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 17, 2010, 08:12:17 AM
I would think that FDOT would want to streamline the SHS. Looking on a map, it's a convoluted state-maintained route across southern Pasco County. With the "extension of SR 56", it seems too crowded with state routes for a county like Pasco (don't get me wrong, I like more state routes, but some counties have a more basic setup and some are more complex...Pasco is more basic). If SR 54 is routed along the future bypass, then that would make more sense. With the way it's been dolled-up in downtown Zephyrhills, it looks more like a local-maintained route than a state route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on September 25, 2010, 10:34:11 PM
Today I clinched the last piece of US 27 I had been missing in Florida...between I-75 and FL 29.  Not much to see except for lovebugs.  Lots and lots of lovebugs.  

I cut across FL 70 to pick up US 98/441 to head back toward Dade County.  Took a few snaps that actually turned out well for a change.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/Florida%20Stuff%20Summer%202010/DSCF0002.jpg)
There was a stretch (I think in Martin County) where they were doing repaving, and the contractor kindly posted the "hidden" routes along with the US highways.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/Florida%20Stuff%20Summer%202010/DSCF0006.jpg)
FL 729 is posted with a TRUCK banner along its entire route.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/Florida%20Stuff%20Summer%202010/DSCF0007.jpg)
I thought this may have been an old US 441 sign from behind, but when I investigated, I found this goofy looking thing.  And there was no mention of 441 or 98, just the state route.  There was another one on CR 880 at Twenty Mile Bend.

BTW, when was US 98 routed off CR/FL 700 and onto FL 80/US 441 between Twenty Mile Bend and Canal Point?  I did note one large error US 98 shield posted along FL 700 where FL/CR 700 cross US 441/98/FL 80.  I tried to get a pic but that one didn't turn out at all (of course).

The cutouts near Lion Country Safari (http://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL20050981) are still there but the "SOUTH" banner and the US 441 shield under the "NORTH" banner are now missing.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/Florida%20Stuff%20Summer%202010/DSCF0011.jpg)
There are quite a few I-95 trailblazers along FL 80/US 98 but this was the only one I saw that wasn't neutered.  Not far from PBI.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on October 02, 2010, 02:15:14 PM
Sure, you can still find keys shields kicking around in North Florida without looking too hard.  But in Miami-Dade County?

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/Florida%20Stuff%20Summer%202010/DSCF0020.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 22, 2010, 04:52:55 PM
They just started mounting the first of the BGSs along I95 through the Brevard construction zone. There's a pile of unmounted ones on the side of the road just north of SR-514, and the first one to go up is at the Wickham Road (CR-509) exit southbound. Like the previous construction just to the north, they appear to be using overhead mounted signs rather than ones on the side of the highway. The one that's up has two lines - "Wickham (CR-509 shield) Road" and "Viera". This is the first time that Viera has appeared on a sign along I-95. Previously it indicated Satellite Beach and Patrick AFB.

I'm anxious for the Pineda Causeway signs to go up because I want to know if it will be numbered SR-404 or not, but no sign of them yet. I also want to see if they continue to use a US-192 shield with a black background on the exit signage or if they switch to the standard cutout.

I've started seeing some weird state highway shields in the area. They use the same Florida outline but the numbers are extra large, leaving much less white space on the sign. I couldn't find any pictures, but they really stand out. It makes the sign seem too cluttered IMO.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 27, 2010, 02:56:49 PM
Realjd, do those highway shields look like any of these?

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM007242.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/IM005121.jpg)

[Edited to get rid of extraneous photos after the question was answered.]
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on October 29, 2010, 08:20:46 PM
Switching highways but in the same general area, I have received word from FDOT that the new signage to convert the eastern half of the Jacksonville Beltway from  Florida 9A (http://www.sr9a.info/home.html) to I-295.  The bids are suppose to go out this September and the signage will be in place by sometime in 2010.  Also, once completely signed as I-295, the beltway will be split into the I-295 West Beltway and I-295 East Beltway with I-95 being the divider.  Exit numbers are already painted onto the off ramps on the eastern side but according to FDOT these may not be the final numbers (but I think they would be since they went ahead and marked them).  The only interchange that has exit tabs on the eastern half is at I-95 (heading westbound on 9A) and its exit number is 61.



Hecksher Dr/Zoo Parkway SR 105 exit has tabs as exit 41
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 29, 2010, 09:23:01 PM
Switching highways but in the same general area, I have received word from FDOT that the new signage to convert the eastern half of the Jacksonville Beltway from  Florida 9A (http://www.sr9a.info/home.html) to I-295.  The bids are suppose to go out this September and the signage will be in place by sometime in 2010.  Also, once completely signed as I-295, the beltway will be split into the I-295 West Beltway and I-295 East Beltway with I-95 being the divider.  Exit numbers are already painted onto the off ramps on the eastern side but according to FDOT these may not be the final numbers (but I think they would be since they went ahead and marked them).  The only interchange that has exit tabs on the eastern half is at I-95 (heading westbound on 9A) and its exit number is 61.



Hecksher Dr/Zoo Parkway SR 105 exit has tabs as exit 41

Been posted since October '09. ;)
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=1211.msg41359#msg41359
I have a picture posted of it at that link. ;)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 31, 2010, 03:01:25 AM
-It looks like the "South SR 15 / TO SR 408" assembly on South Street, just east of Orange, has been removed. :(
I took a walk arond downtown Orlando less than a month ago and it was still there, unless my memory is totally borked. Not that it's ever been correct (well, I think SR 15 did at one time go there, but the sign is way too recent for that).

One thing I like about Orlando is how the state roads that have gaps in maintenance are still signed as though they don't have any. For example SR 527 is city-maintained between Gore and Colonial, yet it's reasonably well signed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 01, 2010, 12:31:28 AM
This is under the Citrus Center in downtown Orlando (east side of Orange between Jackson and Church). Check out the arrows:
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2mnkdxe.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 01, 2010, 12:33:09 AM
Sure, you can still find keys shields kicking around in North Florida without looking too hard.  But in Miami-Dade County?

holy hell, what is with the font on those numbers?!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 02, 2010, 09:59:43 AM
Realjd, do those highway shields look like any of these?

They look identical to that 537 shield. What's up with those?

Most of ours around here look like that 659 shield, but we have a few with a smaller font.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 04, 2010, 04:41:53 PM
-It looks like the "South SR 15 / TO SR 408" assembly on South Street, just east of Orange, has been removed. :(
I took a walk arond downtown Orlando less than a month ago and it was still there, unless my memory is totally borked. Not that it's ever been correct (well, I think SR 15 did at one time go there, but the sign is way too recent for that).

One thing I like about Orlando is how the state roads that have gaps in maintenance are still signed as though they don't have any. For example SR 527 is city-maintained between Gore and Colonial, yet it's reasonably well signed.

It is still there. I couldn't see it when walking around (imagine that) but have no problem seeing it while driving by it as recently as yesterday (among other times). Forgive my lax, or lazy(?), attitude when it comes to editing that post :D The 25-year-old I-4 shield still stands in that same area, too.

Realjd, do those highway shields look like any of these?

They look identical to that 537 shield. What's up with those?

Most of ours around here look like that 659 shield, but we have a few with a smaller font.

Those megafonts show up in random places and there is usually only one. Does Brevard still have the ones where the number tries to hug the bottom and/or left margins? Those are annoying.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 04, 2010, 06:06:09 PM
Those megafonts show up in random places and there is usually only one. Does Brevard still have the ones where the number tries to hug the bottom and/or left margins? Those are annoying.

A few of the megafont signs have shown up in recent months. One is on NB US1 at SR518. I can't remember where the others are.

Yep, we have a several where the number is at the bottom-left. I want to say that one of them is on US192 at A1A, but don't quote me on that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 08, 2010, 03:15:11 PM
I just got back from a camping down at Bahia Honda in the Keys. On the way back I noticed some weird shields on new BGSs in the Miami area. They're the standard TOLL state road shield, except the top part is black on yellow instead of white on green. There's one NB on the Turnpike Extension at the 836 interchange, then a few EB along 836. Note that these are on the overhead signs only; the reassurance markers are still the standard ones.

I don't remember hearing anything about the TOLL SR shields changing, so I'm assuming this is just MDX doing their own thing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 08, 2010, 04:23:58 PM
Yeah, it's an MDX thing for free sections of toll roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 08, 2010, 05:05:33 PM
Yeah, it's an MDX thing for free sections of toll roads.

For free sections, MDX used to use the standard green TOLL signs without the word "TOLL" in them. This is different.

(http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/5765/tollyellow.png)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 08, 2010, 06:58:54 PM
Perhaps that's a portion that used to be free, and they're warning you that it's now toll?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 09, 2010, 10:05:58 AM
There are a few MDX roads that they added tolls to now that they're converting to toll-by-plate. I don't think 836 is one of them.

There are a number of variants on the toll shield in use - red vs. black state outline, squished into a square shape, etc. - but this is the first I've seen that used yellow. The shields did look sharp.

I dug around a bit in the 2009 MUTCD section on toll roads (http://mutcd.fhwa.dot.gov/pdfs/2009/part2f.pdf). It says (among other things):
Quote
"A rectangular panel with the black legend TOLL on a yellow background shall be incorporated into the
guide signs leading road users to a toll highway (see Figure 2F-5)."

I wonder if this is MDX and/or FDOT trying to comply with that?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on November 10, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
Sorry I didn't get here sooner.  Yes, from now on, Florida's toll routes will be black/yellow instead of white/green to comply with the MUTCD.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on November 10, 2010, 12:51:28 AM
Sorry I didn't get here sooner.  Yes, from now on, Florida's toll routes will be black/yellow instead of white/green to comply with the MUTCD.

Lame :thumbdown: and way to many signs to be replaced to bother with. I suppose they will be grandfathered in as old stock is depleted... 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 10, 2010, 01:37:03 AM
Yes, from now on, Florida's toll routes will be black/yellow instead of white/green to comply with the MUTCD.

Any official source on this?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 10, 2010, 08:10:52 AM
Sorry I didn't get here sooner.  Yes, from now on, Florida's toll routes will be black/yellow instead of white/green to comply with the MUTCD.

Does this include reassurance markers, or just shields on directional signs?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on November 10, 2010, 07:21:41 PM
Official source I couldn't say, although it may be buried back in the commentary on the NPA or may have come out just after the MUTCD did.  Whatever the grace period is, I imagine that's how long Florida will wait to replace the shields, though a lot of them are on the toll system and thus aren't subject to the whim of the FHWA anyway.  While I'm not tied to FDOT in any way, I'm sure shields on directional signs will follow the same rules, but those are even less likely to be replaced.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 10, 2010, 07:44:01 PM
Given that they have two interchangeable seemingly-randomly-chosen standards (florida outline black or red) I can see them keeping the green TOLL on some signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 10, 2010, 10:20:04 PM
Given that they have two interchangeable seemingly-randomly-chosen standards (florida outline black or red) I can see them keeping the green TOLL on some signs.

Is it random? It seems the OOCEA uses the red Florida outline while FDOT/FTE/MDX/everyone else use the black outline. At least that's the pattern I've noticed.

FWIW, I liked the look of the yellow signs. They really stood out.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 10, 2010, 10:21:38 PM
There's been a few "red" shields posted by FDOT.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 11, 2010, 02:21:24 AM
And some black ones for OOCEA roads, I believe.

Here's a red SR 618: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=27.949687,-82.448777&spn=0.003971,0.0103&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=27.949895,-82.448796&panoid=KtNijbAUUjL32f2F1HNkpw&cbp=12,353.57,,0,-4.8
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 11, 2010, 08:04:07 AM
The 618 is maintained by THCEA.

I've seen a few red toll shields on FDOT roads, like on I-95 NB at 528, but those are usually the larger OOCEA-style shields rather than the smaller ones typical of FDOT. As part of the construction, they replaced all of those with black-outline, smaller shields, except for the one on the C/D road which wasn't part of the construction.

I've noticed that the outlines on the reassurance markers also change from red to black when maintenance changes to FTE, for instance 528 west of Sand Lake Road, or 417 through Seminole County.

My absolute least favorite toll shield is the one on EB I-4 at the 417: http://goo.gl/FYGiN  It's all compressed, and you can barely read the numbers when driving by at highway speeds.

I like the red shields better, except they seem to fade quickly when compared to the black ones.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 11, 2010, 03:56:39 PM
I've noticed that the outlines on the reassurance markers also change from red to black when maintenance changes to FTE, for instance 528 west of Sand Lake Road, or 417 through Seminole County.

There is only one black 408 shield, which replaced an OOCEA-type, on northbound SR 436 at SR 552 (Curry Ford). The old sign was larger than the current one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 11, 2010, 06:55:45 PM
I've noticed that the outlines on the reassurance markers also change from red to black when maintenance changes to FTE, for instance 528 west of Sand Lake Road, or 417 through Seminole County.
Yet the trailblazers on Universal Boulevard at SR 528 are all red. If there's a standard it's not being followed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 11, 2010, 07:58:40 PM
I've noticed that the outlines on the reassurance markers also change from red to black when maintenance changes to FTE, for instance 528 west of Sand Lake Road, or 417 through Seminole County.
Yet the trailblazers on Universal Boulevard at SR 528 are all red. If there's a standard it's not being followed.

Ok, I did some digging. Here's what I found:

FDOT Standard: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/rddesign/rd/rtds/10/17355.pdf (PDF page 9)
OOCEA Standard: http://www.expresswayauthority.com/Corporate/oursystem/assets/AuthGuidelinesSigning05.pdf (PDF page 87)

OOCEA seems to follow it religiously, FDOT not so much. It may have to do with the local contractors in the Orlando area just assuming red (actually orange apparently according to the spec above) outlines. Also, for city/county roads like Universal Blvd, I imagine the standards are less strictly followed anyway.

There was a note on the FDOT site that they are currently evaluating the current standards and making modifications for the new MUTCD. Nothing has been posted at this time, but it should soon they said.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on November 11, 2010, 08:04:36 PM
If everyone is referring to the outline of Florida on the toll shields, the outline is actually orange in color and not red (though it may look red at a certain angle).

As most of the orange outline shields reside in central Florida, there is one located up here in Northwest Florida, for FL TOLL 293:

www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19912932 (http://www.aaroads.com/shields/show.php?image=FL19912932)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 13, 2010, 05:23:33 PM
Apparently the westbound Nocatee Parkway has been open to US 1 for almost a month: http://jacksonville.com/community/shorelines/2010-10-23/story/nocatee-parkway-opens-westbound-traffic
I can't find anything else about the eastbound half, so it may not be open yet.

Here's a map of the new segment: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=30.10433&lon=-81.45978&zoom=15&layers=M
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 13, 2010, 08:16:07 PM
On the open street map, I see a dotted line going south from where 9A curves. Is that going to be 9B? If so, it seems like a dumb road. Do they really need another freeway running parallel to 95 a few miles to the west? And the part east of 95 connecting with 9A doesn't seem like it really saves any time/distance.

They haven't renumbered 9A to 295-east yet, have they?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 13, 2010, 08:39:29 PM
On the open street map, I see a dotted line going south from where 9A curves. Is that going to be 9B?

It is.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 13, 2010, 09:02:35 PM
On the open street map, I see a dotted line going south from where 9A curves. Is that going to be 9B? If so, it seems like a dumb road. Do they really need another freeway running parallel to 95 a few miles to the west? And the part east of 95 connecting with 9A doesn't seem like it really saves any time/distance.
South of CR 210 is proposed CR 2209, a surface road. Much of this (including Nocatee Parkway) is being paid for by developers ("sprawl").
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on November 15, 2010, 08:22:01 AM
On the open street map, I see a dotted line going south from where 9A curves. Is that going to be 9B? If so, it seems like a dumb road. Do they really need another freeway running parallel to 95 a few miles to the west? And the part east of 95 connecting with 9A doesn't seem like it really saves any time/distance.

They haven't renumbered 9A to 295-east yet, have they?

Not yet. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: CanesFan27 on November 15, 2010, 10:58:38 PM
Got this e-mail last week:

I was 10 when we moved here in 1961 and I remember the exit ramps on the Turnpike were painted orange.  Can you confirm this is true and do you have any pictures?  Or was it my imagination????

Figured I'd throw it out there for everyone
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 16, 2010, 10:56:55 AM
More updates on the Pineda Causeway interchange on I-95, as well as discussion on a future interchange with an extended Ellis Road in Melbourne:
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20101116/NEWS01/11160312/Pineda-I-95-interchange-nears-completion
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on December 05, 2010, 08:48:17 PM
Keys shields no longer there:

CR 18A south at FL 18 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brooker,+fl&sll=37.09024,-112.5&sspn=43.799322,140.273438&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brooker,+Bradford,+Florida&ll=29.933143,-82.416086&spn=0,0.052142&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=29.932984,-82.416133&panoid=TmpdZmElE8UJXGGSZigAjA&cbp=12,198.63,,0,4.48) - gone, replaced with an CR-18 pentagon.
CR 18 west of FL 121 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brooker,+fl&sll=37.09024,-112.5&sspn=43.799322,140.273438&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brooker,+Bradford,+Florida&ll=29.946382,-82.425313&spn=0,0.052142&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=29.946378,-82.425171&panoid=w6sNANzCmgxyp1UEDJtUhw&cbp=12,274.74,,0,6.56) - gone, replaced with a pentagon; white guide sign still in place.
SW 44th Avenue north at FL-238 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brooker,+fl&sll=37.09024,-112.5&sspn=43.799322,140.273438&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brooker,+Bradford,+Florida&ll=30.003152,-82.547808&spn=0,0.052142&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.003251,-82.547808&panoid=iQhjAXR2MgXTCyz2cxmZYg&cbp=12,23.39,,0,4.19) - gone, replaced with new FL 238 shield and CR 245 pentagon trailblazer.
CR 239A west at CR 239 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=brooker,+fl&sll=37.09024,-112.5&sspn=43.799322,140.273438&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Brooker,+Bradford,+Florida&ll=29.967613,-82.465439&spn=0,0.052142&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=29.967603,-82.465315&panoid=TgpwlqVNR64OYLgholCjlg&cbp=12,270.47,,0,10.7) - gone, no replacement
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ian on December 05, 2010, 09:22:58 PM
Not sure if I posted this, but the 2 keys C-209A shields at this intersection have been replaced by pentagon shields:
http://maps.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&hl=en&ll=30.056206,-81.747808&spn=0,0.038409&t=h&z=15&layer=c&cbll=30.056146,-81.747875&panoid=hQTd9vtKFbYCPex6j4qmRQ&cbp=12,65.38,,0,5.68
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 06, 2010, 03:14:51 PM
^^Both posts above....At least we have clear pictures of some of them before they were replaced. I don't think anyone has pictures of any C-239 or C-241A signs in Union County. There were a couple C-239s near Oak Grove(?) Cemetery, but they were replaced with 239B pentagons....which is kind of acceptable.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 15, 2010, 11:49:02 AM
Had a chance to drive to Miami and did some exploring. FL 997 really needs to be widened (or at least resurfaced with turn lanes added); I was having flashbacks of how FL 5A in Daytona Beach used to be (the sections along the canal) before they widened it...and why my grandmother said it used to be called "Slaughter Road". It is the most neglected state route in Miami-Dade County and possibly the worst state road I have ever driven on in Florida.

The newest state route down there, SR 825 (the north section) is unsigned between US 41 and FL 836, but upon reaching it from westbound FL 836, there is a "trailblazer" assembly with just "North/South" tabs and arrows below them.

A lot of the cut-out signs along FL 826 and FL 874 are in their final days as there is a lot of construction going on. All of FL 874 is in the process of being widened and FL 826 had construction/widening going on between, at least, FL 836 and FL 874.

There is button-copy on Gateway Blvd, itself, in the West Palm area including a type of interstate guide sign that I can't remember seeing before. Also got some pictures of button-copy on Congress Avenue at its I-95 interchange.

It really would be helpful if District 4 would correctly sign US 1 northbound at FL 704. To still tell a motorist that "To North US 1" continues east on FL 704 and then have no other corresponding signage is extremely poor. US 1 was also resurfaced from FL 80 to FL 704 so guess what??! No more black US 98 shield on southbound US 1, instead there is a JCT US 98/FL 80 sign. RIP :(

These are some random photos to start off...

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture678.jpg)
The shield has a year of 1991 but the JCT tab is dated 1976. The font looks different than other types used and Agentsteel should enjoy this.

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture733-1.jpg)
Looking west at the western terminus of FL 9336, just in case anyone wanted to know what it looks like.

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture735.jpg)
Looking east from the western terminus of FL 9336. The first reassurance is just ahead.

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture788.jpg)
This is on Miramar Parkway eastbound...which hasn't been state-maintained for quite a few years.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 15, 2010, 11:54:21 AM
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture696.jpg)
Eastbound on the Congress Avenue connector.

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture694.jpg)
Southbound on Congress Avenue, itself.

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture690.jpg)
Westbound on Gateway Blvd.

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture687.jpg)
Eastbound on Gateway Blvd.

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture689.jpg)
This is the sign which I don't believe I've ever seen another type of....it was westbound on Gateway Blvd on the non-widened/spruced-up section as it does have a counterpart on eastbound Gateway Blvd which is just a normal BGS. (Thanks Palm Beach County for not upgrading Gateway Blvd east of I-95!)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ian on December 15, 2010, 04:41:36 PM
No more black US 98 shield on southbound US 1, instead there is a JCT US 98/FL 80 sign. RIP :(

Good thing I got a few photos of it when I was down there!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on December 15, 2010, 07:26:55 PM

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/Picture735.jpg)
Looking east from the western terminus of FL 9336. The first reassurance is just ahead.
I presume you were going an unsafe speed until that point?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on December 16, 2010, 01:55:51 PM
*picture*
Looking east from the western terminus of FL 9336. The first reassurance is just ahead.
I presume you were going an unsafe speed until that point?

Hah, sadly I turned around in the turn-off area, immediately behind the camera, and didn't have enough time to go 50 in a 35 zone (speed limit in the park) to get the night's dinner stuck on my front bumper. Maybe next time....if I feel adventurous to drive down to Flamingo. ;) The pavement in that section of the park was awesome, as if you traveled 60 years into the past.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on December 18, 2010, 09:10:27 PM
While doing my rounds this evening, I came across this article in the Orlando Sentinel:

East-West Expressway interchange with GreeneWay will be overhauled (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-xway-valencia-408-20101217,0,4917441.story)

So, in going to the OOCEA website I found their page on the reconstruction (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR408/assets/SR408-SR417Ninterchange.pdf), including a simple diagram showing what everything will look when construction is complete.

The main highlights of the project include removing the section of roadway connecting eastbound Florida 408 with northbound Florida 417 and southbound 417 with westbound 408, including the current interchange with Valencia College Lane, the widening of the 408 in the project area (from Goldenrod Road to the Econ Trail), and the addition of two new ramps at the current partial interchange between the 408 and the 417, thus making that interchange complete. The project will be completed near the end of 2012.

Some opponents of the project say that the removal of the Valencia College Lane interchange will cause more congestion in the area, as most students at nearby Valencia Community College use this interchange to access the school. This interchange is part of the original section of the 408 when the expressway ended at Florida 50 (Colonial Drive)(current Exit 34 on the 417).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 19, 2010, 03:11:48 AM
Thanks for the link. It's not clear from the diagram how the VCL connector will tie in at Chickasaw. I don't buy the explanation that they're doing it to get rid of left exits - when FDOT rebuilt I-4 in Tampa a few years ago they added left exits.

Interestingly, VCL was an at-grade intersection when SR 408 first opened.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on December 19, 2010, 11:06:20 AM
On EB 408, I've never had any confusion with regard to the left exit for NB 417. It's very clearly marked. On SB 417, even though it's well marked, the left exit for WB 408 always throws me. It's just counter-intuitive to have a left exit for a right turn. At least for EB 408 the left exit is for a left turn.

I have a similar mental block about the NB HEFT/874 interchange in Miami.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on December 19, 2010, 06:21:58 PM
And it really wouldn't be hard to change the exit from southbound 417 to a right exit while otherwise keeping the connector the same. As I said, I don't buy the reason. Perhaps they're going to sell the newly-vacant land to a developer.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on December 19, 2010, 08:17:58 PM
So they're getting rid of hidden FL-4080? I believe that's the hidden state road number for the connector between EB 408 and NB 417, and between SB 417 and WB 408 (hope I got those numbers and directions right). I can't understand why. I've taken that stretch between the two toll roads a few times, and it's more gradual and more direct than driving to the other interchange between 408/417, which is what I'm assuming they'll have drivers do once this project is complete. I agree that the directions and BGS's are well marked, but the lanes are kinda funky if you're not paying attention. Weaving may be the problem they're trying to eliminate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on December 27, 2010, 10:53:45 PM
No more black US 98 shield on southbound US 1, instead there is a JCT US 98/FL 80 sign. RIP :(
Speaking of 98...apparently someone in Levy County found some extra money.  I went through Chiefland this past weekend and was STUNNED to see green ALT 27s, red 19s, and black 98's replaced with boring standard shields.  I didn't check them all but all the ones I did check had been replaced.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on January 08, 2011, 12:46:34 PM
It seems that the tolled "Lexus Lane" concept along a 21-mile stretch of Interstate 4 from Florida 435 (Kirkman Road) to Florida 434 (Longwood) is being discussed once more...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-interstate4-lexus-lanes-20110107,0,1082004.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-interstate4-lexus-lanes-20110107,0,1082004.story)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 08, 2011, 03:56:52 PM
I think it's a good idea. It doesn't matter what time of day; traffic on that stretch of I-4 is always terrible. It seems to be working out real well for Miami along I-95 (although I wish you could get form the express lanes to I-195), and the same with Tampa on the Crosstown Expressway.

Rep. Mica may have outlawed toll lanes on interstate highways, but I see no reason why an unsigned stretch of SR-400, contained entirely in the median of I-4, couldn't have them! :)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 08, 2011, 06:20:17 PM
speaking of SR-400, I have a few questions.  Are any or all of these statements correct?

1) per the 1945 Great Renumbering, SR-400 was the hidden route designator for US-92.

2) when I-4 was built, SR-400 was moved onto it.

3) thus, US-92 now has no hidden route designator.  (Or it does, if so what is it?)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 08, 2011, 07:09:31 PM
None are correct. US 92 was SR *6*00 in 1945. SR 400 was not designated until later, presumably during Interstate planning. (SR 700 is also a later diagonal, perhaps designated when US 98 was extended.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 08, 2011, 07:14:57 PM
To add to what NE2 said, US92 is currently SR-600. Before the renumbering, it followed a number of state routes:
    * SR 17 from Tampa to Haines City
    * SR 2 from Haines City to Orlando
    * SR 3 from Orlando to DeLand
    * SR 21 from DeLand to Daytona Beach
(from Wikipedia)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 08, 2011, 07:17:28 PM
thanks for the corrections.  I really had no idea.  so 400 and 600 run quite close together?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 08, 2011, 08:53:31 PM
Yes (especially at the US 301 interchange in Tampa).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 13, 2011, 04:00:25 PM
Updates to the State Road System for 2010...

-SR 15 has been added [again] from SR 526 (Robinson) to SR 50/US 17/US 92.
-US 17/US 92 now have a one-way-pair in Lake Alfred which [possibly] takes up some parts of CR 557 and CR 555. http://www.theledger.com/article/20101001/REPORTER/101009991?p=1&tc=pg ...On Google Maps, there is a dirt-like road, west of US 17/92, extending from the north side where it curves into the city of Lake Alfred to the south side where the 6-lane segment "used to end"....that's the routing.
-SR 46 has had some realignment at Osceola Road between Geneva and Sanford. Plus, the small section [79-020-000] that clipped Volusia County (0.103 miles) has been dropped.
-Quadrille Blvd in West Palm Beach has been added as US 1/SR 5. Yet, SR 5 on Olive from Belvedere to Southern has been deleted, as has SR 882 east of US 1 and the tiny section of SR 5 on Palm Beach Lakes Blvd/12th St between Dixie and Olive.
-Jacksonville had the deletion of extraneous sections of SR 5/SR 228 in downtown.
-Various tiny tidbit [ramp] sections of SR 60 near Tampa International Airport have been both deleted and added.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 13, 2011, 06:03:11 PM
-SR 15 has been added [again] from SR 526 (Robinson) to SR 50/US 17/US 92.
Meaning it's now state-maintained there?

-US 17/US 92 now have a one-way-pair in Lake Alfred which [possibly] takes up some parts of CR 557 and CR 555.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.08745&lon=-81.72949&zoom=16&layers=M
CR 557 was realigned and part of CR 555 was used for the southbound lanes. Since it was still under construction last time I was there, I don't know if CR 555 is still signed at all.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 13, 2011, 07:33:39 PM
-SR 15 has been added [again] from SR 526 (Robinson) to SR 50/US 17/US 92.
Meaning it's now state-maintained there?

Yes, even on the Fed-Aid maps (updated at the beginning of the month) show it highlighted.

Quote
-US 17/US 92 now have a one-way-pair in Lake Alfred which [possibly] takes up some parts of CR 557 and CR 555.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.08745&lon=-81.72949&zoom=16&layers=M
CR 557 was realigned and part of CR 555 was used for the southbound lanes. Since it was still under construction last time I was there, I don't know if CR 555 is still signed at all.

Thanks for the map. Interesting how they did it. If CR 555 is still signed, it would most likely be remnant signage at its south end.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 13, 2011, 08:03:11 PM
florida, I can't believe you missed that FDOT now has I-295 shown as an entire loop in Jacksonville in the GIS files.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 13, 2011, 10:13:37 PM
-SR 46 has had some realignment at Osceola Road between Geneva and Sanford. Plus, the small section [79-020-000] that clipped Volusia County (0.103 miles) has been dropped.

So it's not a state highway anymore through Volusia County? Are you sure it's only .103 miles through Volusia? The little leg of Volusia that drops south is narrow but I don't remember it being that narrow...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Eth on January 13, 2011, 10:48:16 PM
I think he's referring to this part:

(http://ten93.com/2011/fl46volusia.png)

SR 46 also passes through Volusia again farther east for what looks like three or four miles.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 13, 2011, 11:01:40 PM
Ok, I didn't know it did that. I was thinking of the stretch through the far south tip of Volusia farther east. I haven't driven it farther west than CR426 which is my normal route to go to the Little Big Econ State Forest.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 14, 2011, 05:19:34 PM
Updates to the State Road System for 2010...

-SR 15 has been added [again] from SR 526 (Robinson) to SR 50/US 17/US 92.
-US 17/US 92 now have a one-way-pair in Lake Alfred which [possibly] takes up some parts of CR 557 and CR 555. http://www.theledger.com/article/20101001/REPORTER/101009991?p=1&tc=pg ...On Google Maps, there is a dirt-like road, west of US 17/92, extending from the north side where it curves into the city of Lake Alfred to the south side where the 6-lane segment "used to end"....that's the routing.
-SR 46 has had some realignment at Osceola Road between Geneva and Sanford. Plus, the small section [79-020-000] that clipped Volusia County (0.103 miles) has been dropped.
-Quadrille Blvd in West Palm Beach has been added as US 1/SR 5. Yet, SR 5 on Olive from Belvedere to Southern has been deleted, as has SR 882 east of US 1 and the tiny section of SR 5 on Palm Beach Lakes Blvd/12th St between Dixie and Olive.
-Jacksonville had the deletion of extraneous sections of SR 5/SR 228 in downtown.
-Various tiny tidbit [ramp] sections of SR 60 near Tampa International Airport have been both deleted and added.

So Is SR 228 discontinuous?   It is signed as a multiplex on US17 between SR129(McDuff Ave) and I-10.. There are sporadic signg directing you on Monroe St/Adams St but not signed at all on the Hard Bridge.  The only place I see 228 refering to the Hart Bridge Expressway is GPS or the Traffic reports on the Weather Channel
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 14, 2011, 05:34:25 PM
SR 228 is signed all along I-10 and I-95. Whether FDOT's GIS data reflects this is not too relevant. Personally I would have said screw state maintenance and routed it along Adams/Forsyth direct to I-95.

But, to answer your question literally, SR 228 is discontinuous. There's a piece of CR 228 between Macclenny and Maxville.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 15, 2011, 04:36:02 PM
Sorry for all the confusion.

So it's not a state highway anymore through Volusia County? Are you sure it's only .103 miles through Volusia? The little leg of Volusia that drops south is narrow but I don't remember it being that narrow...

I couldn't place the smaller section without a clear map, but thanks to Eth, it makes sense now with the realigned portion at Osceola Road. Haven't been up there lately, but seems they built a new bridge which wasn't routed through Volusia County.

As for SR 228, first it was taken off College/Post Streets (along with US 17), but there was remnant state maintenance along Water and Bay Streets in downtown that included portions of SR 5 listed along them.

"West Bay Street from Ocean Street to Jefferson Street (SR 5)
Water Street from Jefferson Street to and including a portion of Ocean Street (SR 5 from Jefferson to Broad, rest is SR 228)
Jefferson Street from Water Street to West Bay Street (SR 5)
Riverside Avenue from the on ramp of the Acosta Bridge to Water Street (SR 228)
Broad Street from Water Street to West Bay Street (SR 5)"
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 15, 2011, 04:49:52 PM
Does SR 211 make it to the Acosta Bridge?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 15, 2011, 05:46:00 PM
Does SR 211 make it to the Acosta Bridge?

According to the maps, it looks like it ends around Roselle Street (just on the north side of I-95), but the Fed-Aid Report says Peninsular Place. It used to extend to Alfred Dupont Place where the now-defunct section of SR 228 started from (again). There is still a 0.241 mile section maintained on northbound Riverside Drive at the Acosta Bridge from about Leila Street to Water Street. The two ramps of the Acosta Bridge (northbound off and southbound on) are still state maintained as they're part of SR 13.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 16, 2011, 01:26:51 PM
SR 228 is signed all along I-10 and I-95. Whether FDOT's GIS data reflects this is not too relevant. Personally I would have said screw state maintenance and routed it along Adams/Forsyth direct to I-95.

But, to answer your question literally, SR 228 is discontinuous. There's a piece of CR 228 between Macclenny and Maxville.

its not really signed on I10/I95.  The BGS has a tab that say "TO" US17/SR 228.  i am aware of the CR 228 in Western Duval and Baker Counties. But is it really a discontinuous SR if there is acounty maintained portion... I dont really condsider that discontinus
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 16, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
No, it's discontinuous because there's a county signed portion. Similarly, US 3's south end is in Cambridge, not at the old Sagamore Rotary.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 19, 2011, 02:51:49 PM
No, it's discontinuous because there's a county signed portion. Similarly, US 3's south end is in Cambridge, not at the old Sagamore Rotary.

The route in my mind is not discontinuous.  There is a county maintained portion its the same route, i am sure others will disagree.  Especially here in Florida where most CRs are in the statewide grid.  And many CRs were former SRs or SSRs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on January 19, 2011, 09:12:16 PM
No, it's discontinuous because there's a county signed portion. Similarly, US 3's south end is in Cambridge, not at the old Sagamore Rotary.
Different beast, US 3 never extended down past Boston.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on January 19, 2011, 09:12:58 PM

The route in my mind is not discontinuous.  There is a county maintained portion its the same route, i am sure others will disagree.

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Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 19, 2011, 11:40:37 PM
No, it's discontinuous because there's a county signed portion. Similarly, US 3's south end is in Cambridge, not at the old Sagamore Rotary.
Different beast, US 3 never extended down past Boston.

Fine. US 222 goes from US 1 to I-78, not Perryville to Allentown.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 20, 2011, 08:33:01 AM

The route in my mind is not discontinuous.  There is a county maintained portion its the same route, i am sure others will disagree.

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I disagree.  If the route continues with the same number, especially if it is a "downgraded" road i like to think of the number continuing .  I can appreciate the other side of the argument.  Sadly most people wouldn't even notice. 

In Volusia County there are a couple roads that flip from CR to SR off the top of my head there is Clyde Morris Blvd which is *R 483 for the entire route being SR from Mason Ave( SR/CR 430) to Beville Rd(SR 400).  Mason Ave is another one, SR 430 is fromClyde Morris Blvd (SR/CR 483) east to SR A1A.  At lease Volusia Co signs CRs, Duval County does not, the only place you see CR pentagons in Duval is where the state has repacved intersecting roads.  (ie CR 228 west  is signed at US 301)





Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 20, 2011, 10:04:21 AM

The route in my mind is not discontinuous.  There is a county maintained portion its the same route, i am sure others will disagree.

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 Don't be a hater!  I hate having my roadgeek cred being questioned  LOL
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 22, 2011, 09:03:17 PM
There was a huge tanker explosion on SR528 yesterday. Both the EB and the WB bridges over SR3 are damaged beyond repair and will have to be completely replaced:
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20110122/NEWS01/101220317/Dental-records-to-ID-2-killed-in-fiery-crash
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jdb1234 on January 22, 2011, 09:33:43 PM
There was a huge tanker explosion on SR528 yesterday. Both the EB and the WB bridges over SR3 are damaged beyond repair and will have to be completely replaced:
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20110122/NEWS01/101220317/Dental-records-to-ID-2-killed-in-fiery-crash

Is this the first time something like this has happened in Florida since the I-75 SB bridge over US 301 in Ellenton was damaged nearly 3 years ago?
Title: First Coast Outer Beltway - Upgrade FL-23 and worry about the rest later...
Post by: Alex on February 14, 2011, 01:20:34 AM
Plan to build entire Outer Beltway abandoned; state will try to do it in pieces (http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2011-02-04/story/plan-build-entire-outer-beltway-abandoned-state-will-try-do-it-pieces)

Quote
February 4, 2011

It was only 11 months ago that then-Gov. Charlie Crist announced that plans to build the First Coast Outer Beltway were being expedited so construction could begin as soon as possible.

That plan, like Crist’s immediate political career, is history.

On Friday, the Florida Department of Transportation conceded it was abandoning plans to have a private partner build the entire 46.5-mile toll road from Interstate 10 in Duval County to Interstate 95 in St. Johns County.

The state now wants someone to build only a 15-mile portion of the road and will worry about getting the rest built later.

No private companies were willing to spend the estimated $1.8 billion it would have cost to build the entire road. It would have been a tollway, so the builder could have made back the investment.

“The recession really hurt our efforts to do this,” FDOT District Secretary Alan Mosley  said. “We’re going to scale back and see if we can do this in pieces.”

The state will now look for a private company to take the existing Branan Field Road, which would be part of the Outer Beltway, and turn it into a four-lane toll road from I-10 to Blanding Boulevard. It will cost about $250 million to $300 million.

Flyovers would be built over New World Avenue, Normandy Boulevard, 103rd Street and other roadways that intersect Branan Field Road.

The state is now conducting an economic feasibility study to determine ridership on a toll road and what a private company would have to charge to make money. That study should be completed by the summer, Mosley said.

A previous study estimated between 12,000 and 30,000 cars daily on that section of road if a 20-cent toll was charged. But that study focused on the entire roadway and didn’t estimate how much money would be generated with a 15-mile road.

The state’s original plan was scuttled last summer when companies that examined the project raised concerns about cost.

“It’s an enormous amount of money to put down,” said Antonio Garrastazu,  director of business and government affairs for Globalvia Infrastructures, a company based in Madrid and Miami that met with the state to discuss the project.

Garrastazu said his company was interested but needed concessions, such as the state reimbursing the company if revenue projections were not met. FDOT refused.

Clay County Commissioner Doug Conkey  said doing the segment from I-10 to Blanding was the most logical way to move forward because it would make it easier to access Cecil Field while also easing traffic on Blanding Boulevard.

It also is close to shovel ready, with an existing road than only needs to be widened and modified. Segments south of Blanding will require an entirely new road.

Jeff Sheffield, executive director of the North Florida Transportation Planning Organization, which does long-term transportation planning for the area, said the first section is critical to the rest of the project. If a private company can come in and successfully operate the 15 miles from I-10 to Blanding, he said, it will make the rest of the proposed roadway more attractive for future construction.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on February 19, 2011, 02:11:20 AM
The Beachline SR528 bridges over SR 3 were completed and opened to traffic last Sunday, three days ahead of schedule.  Lane Construction did a kick-butt job of getting the work done, and several of my co-workers were more than relieved -they live in Merritt Island and had to detour around to get to KSC.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on February 19, 2011, 11:55:58 AM
I just saw on the FDOT website that Florida's adopting of the 2009 MUTCD is on hold as per Executive Order:
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/TrafficOperations/Operations/MUTCD.shtm

Also, one of those new yellow-bannered toll shields showed up in Orlando. It's on the overhead BGS for the onramp onto 528 at the McCoy Road/Sand Lake Road interchange. I liked the look of the ones in Miami but I'm not a fan of this one. They retained the orange state outline. I like the orange outline better on the older green-bannered shields, but it looks goofy on the yellow ones IMO.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 19, 2011, 02:43:12 PM
Not to mention that it's not a toll road if you get off at Conway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 25, 2011, 03:57:48 PM
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-399_sb_after_us-098.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-399_sb_after_us-098.jpg)

Move Santa Rosa County 399 on Navarre Beach Causeway from virtually unsigned to partially signed. I wrote the county about the lack of signage and earlier this week a new sign went up just south of U.S. 98.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 27, 2011, 11:54:39 PM
Did they still have the FL 399 shields in Navarre Beach, itself?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on February 28, 2011, 11:51:54 AM
Did they still have the FL 399 shields in Navarre Beach, itself?

No those were still posted in February 2006 but removed some time after that. One of my points to the county was those shields and how they were removed (not replaced). The email I received last week indicated that signs were installed on Gulf Boulevard. So I followed up with the fact that they were not.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on February 28, 2011, 08:40:06 PM
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-399_sb_after_us-098.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/cr-399_sb_after_us-098.jpg)

Move Santa Rosa County 399 on Navarre Beach Causeway from virtually unsigned to partially signed. I wrote the county about the lack of signage and earlier this week a new sign went up just south of U.S. 98.

This sign hasn't even been up a week and it has already seen a change! While driving home today I noticed that the county has come back out and flipped the positions of the shield and banner, so it's no longer in the "Utah-style". Of course my initial thought was that they added more shields down along Gulf Boulevard, but alas, my trip across the bridge to the beach was a waste as still no new signs have been erected. So instead the county wasted time, money and fuel to come out and rearrange a sign assembly that really did not need changing...it's no wonder that people hate our government (local, state, federal) for wasteful spending...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 20, 2011, 04:34:02 PM
OOCEA is currently working on the new SR 414-429 interchange. You can see it on the 2011 aerials at http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap3/default.aspx.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 20, 2011, 06:00:29 PM
OOCEA is currently working on the new SR 414-429 interchange. You can see it on the 2011 aerials at http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap3/default.aspx.

Looks like they have made some real progress on that part of the project. Not much has been done on the rest of the extension up to US 441 though. Went to OOCEA and they have a one page PDF on Phase II: http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR429/assets/SR429SR414interchange.pdf (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR429/assets/SR429SR414interchange.pdf)

Going to be weird once it opens to see that remaining portion of FL 429 becoming FL 451. It seems to me that it could have been re-designated as FL 414A instead, since it will be branched off of FL 414...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 20, 2011, 06:47:46 PM
Florida hasn't done (signed) suffixes (at least A routes) that way since the small renumbering in the 1980s. For example, SR 5A has both ends at SR 5 (despite SR 5 not being signed), but SR 15A was renumbered SR 551 because only the south end was at SR 15.

They've torn down the wall on the west side of CR 437A:

(http://i51.tinypic.com/35iawbn.jpg)
February 2009

(http://i52.tinypic.com/2z7ilqc.jpg)
July 2009

(http://i55.tinypic.com/6tgrad.jpg)
March 2011
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on March 20, 2011, 07:51:50 PM
I drove all the way up and down FL-429 yesterday from the Turnpike to US-441 and back. I noticed they were further along on extending something further west. I'm thinking it's FL-414 they're extending? - Which will also be multiplexed with FL-429 eventually. I haven't pulled out the proposed ROW and compared it against what I saw out on the road but it seems that's what they're doing. It would be nice to have a full interchange between 429 and 414 too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 20, 2011, 07:57:49 PM
Right now, they're just building the new alignments of 414 and 429 to the new interchange. So there will be some unused roadway there until they build the continuation to US 441 at Plymouth.

http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR429/assets/SR429SR414interchange.pdf
Current construction ends just north of Harmon Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 24, 2011, 06:52:36 PM
How about this flyover that I am sure is done as this photo is two years old.  It will allow the high speed movement to the future I-295 to the east of Jacksonville from I-95 Southbound and hopefully soon FL 9A will be history!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/5038614691/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 24, 2011, 07:18:25 PM
How about this flyover that I am sure is done as this photo is two years old.  It will allow the high speed movement to the future I-295 to the east of Jacksonville from I-95 Southbound and hopefully soon FL 9A will be history!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54480415@N08/5038614691/

That flyover is already completed and opened. ;)
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2010-08-22/story/new-flyover-opens-northside-connect-interstate-95-southbound-florida-9a

And here's a link to some pictures that I had taken of it after that photo you linked to taken on 10/21/09-10/22/09. ;)
http://rickmastfan67.blogspot.com/2009/10/fl-i-95s-new-flyover.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on April 14, 2011, 09:12:42 PM
Also, one of those new yellow-bannered toll shields showed up in Orlando. It's on the overhead BGS for the onramp onto 528 at the McCoy Road/Sand Lake Road interchange. I liked the look of the ones in Miami but I'm not a fan of this one. They retained the orange state outline. I like the orange outline better on the older green-bannered shields, but it looks goofy on the yellow ones IMO.

Update! Just drove along FL 50 earlier today. At the intersection with Good Homes Rd (28.55193 N, 81.50495 W) there are two new FL 408 trailblazers posted, one on westbound FL 50, and the other on eastbound FL 50. Both feature the yellow TOLL banner (instead of the former green) and a black state outline.

Now that I've actually seen one of these in the field, I'm kind of torn. I like how they resemble the regular black and white state road shields with the "MUTCD" yellow banner and how they're still curved on the bottom, but I also liked how the green and orange variety (at least in the Orlando area) stood out as being freeways, much like the red, white, and blue color of the Interstate shields stand out as freeways against the other marked roads like US routes and such that may not necessarily be freeway standard.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on April 14, 2011, 10:37:27 PM
So does that mean they are finally done with the improvements to FL 50 and Good Homes Road? It's been going on for ever it seems like...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on April 15, 2011, 08:28:33 PM
So does that mean they are finally done with the improvements to FL 50 and Good Homes Road? It's been going on for ever it seems like...

I think so. There are three lanes in each direction with a center turn lane (if I remember correctly). It did seem that the construction took forever. It's done as far as FL 435 (Kirkman Rd) and FL 50. I was surprised because I drove up there a couple of months ago, and I hardly ever drive up there, and was surprised that the construction was all done and how nice it was to drive along FL 50 with no construction. Night and Day. However at FL 50 near FL 429 and the Turnpike, there is still road construction going on in that area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on April 15, 2011, 08:32:55 PM
It looks like the long awaited six laning of I-95 between the Beachline north to Garden Street (SR 406) in Titusville is finally beginning to take shape.

They've already set up a work zone between SR 50 and SR 406 complete with cones, part of which is to facilitate the improvement of the I-95/SR 406 northbound off/on ramps for an extra lane and signalization at Garden Street (which is needed really bad).

More information here:

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district5pio/brevard.shtm
http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/52/405506_2_I_95_Widening_from_SR_528_to_south_of_SR_406
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on April 17, 2011, 10:15:18 AM
Another update to the Pineda Causeway drama:
The county finished their portion between Wickham Road and I-95 last fall. That's why the papers were saying it would be open by January. Nobody bothered to check with Community Asphalt, the contractor widening I-95. They had no plans to build the connecting ramps anytime soon, and when asked, they said by November 2011 when the entire I-95 project ends. They didn't feel like rushing to build the last 20 feet of the on and off ramps. After some political back and forth between them, the county, and FDOT, they finally decided to rush that part. New estimated completion date: May 2.

http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011104150326

I never see them doing anything at all along that portion of I-95 anymore. It's been in the exact same state for weeks now. You'd think they would be trying to finish early to get the bonus.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: US71 on April 18, 2011, 06:36:20 PM
Shubuta, MS lost out when U.S. 45 was realigned to a bypass. Hopefully the same would happen with Starke.

Ditto Pineville, MO and US 71
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on April 30, 2011, 08:07:45 PM
The Pineda Causeway extension connection to I-95 is going to open Monday:

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20110430/NEWS01/104300317/Pineda-Extension-opens-Monday?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

Somebody finally got the builders off the dime!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 01, 2011, 12:11:46 AM
The Pineda Causeway extension connection to I-95 is going to open Monday:

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20110430/NEWS01/104300317/Pineda-Extension-opens-Monday?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home

Somebody finally got the builders off the dime!

Does anybody know what the exit number will be (so I can add it to I-95's file @ CHM)?

Also, is the Pineda Causeway extension suppose to become part of FL-404?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 01, 2011, 04:49:24 AM
I've been Googling the contract numbers and I can't seem to find any information about the exit numbers so far.

I would assume (and we all know how that ends up :D) that the extension would be FL 404, but there's no guarantee they might not make it CR 404 instead.

We'll find out Monday!

The way these guys are sandbagging I don't think they're going to get much of that $5M bonus for early completion (which started in November IIRC)...they're still working on the interchanges at US 192, Eau Gallie and Wickham, and they haven't even begun the lane relocation/reconstruction at Wickham, which is going to be a real PITA to anyone living in Viera or Suntree.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on May 01, 2011, 05:10:40 PM
I would bet the exit number will be 188...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 02, 2011, 09:55:47 AM
The portion between Wickham Road and I-95 was done as a county contract. I would expect it to be CR-404. That's one of the reasons it took so long to open. The county portion was done, but the state didn't put the pressure on the contractors working on I-95 to finish the on/off ramps until recently.

When I drove by on Saturday, there were no BGS's, and they hadn't even started putting up the supports for them yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they sign the exit with VMS construction signs until the I-95 widening project is farther along.

Also, interestingly, the state is considering allowing bicycles along the freeway portion of the Pineda Causeway:
http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20110502/NEWS01/105020315/Cyclists-may-get-their-way-causeway?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Home
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 03, 2011, 08:20:05 AM
I haven't uploaded any of the pics yet, but FDOT finally combined the control cities on the signs approaching Exit 321 on I-75. Granted the abbreviated Lake Panasoffkee, but hey, as long as they're combined.

See this post for further reference:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=353.msg42727#msg42727

UPDATE: Northbound signs still haven't changed.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 03, 2011, 09:21:14 AM
I haven't had a chance to drive up there yet - I may do it today after work - but a bit of googling turned up the fact that the Pineda Causeway is actually CR-404 between Wickham and US-1 even though it is signed as SR-404. It will be interesting to see if they sign the extension as SR-404 like they did the current CR portion.

See page 6: ftp://ftp.dot.state.fl.us/FHWA-ER/Brevard/Brevard_fdot5%20FHWA-ER%20data.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 03, 2011, 07:42:42 PM
I haven't had a chance to drive up there yet - I may do it today after work - but a bit of googling turned up the fact that the Pineda Causeway is actually CR-404 between Wickham and US-1 even though it is signed as SR-404. It will be interesting to see if they sign the extension as SR-404 like they did the current CR portion.

Wouldn't be the first time this has happened.  FL-39A rings a bell.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg62855#msg62855
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 03, 2011, 08:23:49 PM
So I drove up there after work. Like I thought, there are no actual signs yet. They're just using portable VMS's to sign the exit. They just say "Pineda Cswy". On the road itself going eastbound, it's signed "To SR-404" and "To US-1" as seen in this crappy iPhone picture:

(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/926/photohfc.th.jpg) (http://img193.imageshack.us/i/photohfc.jpg/)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 03, 2011, 10:50:39 PM
Crappy?  That's a preatty good picture from an iPhone.

So, no gore signs @ the exit even?  I mean, that should be at least the first thing they should post.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 04, 2011, 07:54:11 AM
No gore, or any other permenant signage. The first sign said:

PINEDA
CSWY
1 MILE

The second, right at the start of the exit, said

PINEDA
CSWY
--->

and was flashing quickly.

Keep in mind that Community Asphalt (the I-95 contractor) wasn't planning on opening their portion for another 3 or 4 months. They were forced by the state to do it early. I wouldn't expect actual signage until closer to then.
Title: More Toll Road Weirdness
Post by: realjd on May 08, 2011, 07:15:22 PM
So on my drive to Orlando today, I saw some more weirdness with the toll roads. In addition to the new yellow-banner shield alone WB (NB) 520 at the 528, OOCEA has gone through and redone some of the reassurance markers along the Beachline. It's now one rectangular green sign, with a directional on top (white on green if I remember right), then the shield with a standard green TOLL banner, then the OOCEA logo below, as seen in this crappy mockup I threw together - and yes, I know the font is goofy:

(http://oi53.tinypic.com/1zfsfaf.jpg)
It wasn't just one one sign that was replaced either. They had replaced the old reassurance markers seemingly at random along OOCEA's entire stretch of the 528. I did not see any on the stretches of the 408 or the 417 that I drove on.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 09, 2011, 05:01:20 PM
No gore, or any other permenant signage.

Just drove up I-95 this morning, and there's still no signs. Those on/off ramps are at least a half-mile long. But there was traffic on the overpass.

Also, spotted a bunch of new Interstate shields with Florida branded on them, at the exit ramps from Fiske Boulevard (SR 519). Must have been made in Georgia...where they seem to be more prevalent.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 09, 2011, 06:54:18 PM
So on my drive to Orlando today, I saw some more weirdness with the toll roads. In addition to the new yellow-banner shield alone WB (NB) 520 at the 528, OOCEA has gone through and redone some of the reassurance markers along the Beachline. It's now one rectangular green sign, with a directional on top (white on green if I remember right), then the shield with a standard green TOLL banner, then the OOCEA logo below, as seen in this crappy mockup I threw together - and yes, I know the font is goofy:

It wasn't just one one sign that was replaced either. They had replaced the old reassurance markers seemingly at random along OOCEA's entire stretch of the 528. I did not see any on the stretches of the 408 or the 417 that I drove on.

I noticed these a couple weeks back driving back and forth to the airport. Not sure how I feel about these. I did notice though that they look similar to a few other states' postings of reassurance markers - they'll put the shield on a green sign much like the BGSs on freeways. I think New Mexico does this, and I'll dig through my photos to find something similar.

Edit: Found it!
http://astareglobe.org/public/nm-i25.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 09, 2011, 08:52:05 PM
Is that the standard for reassurance markers in NM? Weird. I don't like OOCEA's unisigns either. At least they aren't using the yellow banner with the orange state outline. I like the yellow banner with the black outline; I think the yellow banner with the orange outline looks ridiculous.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 11, 2011, 07:59:47 AM
Is that the standard for reassurance markers in NM? Weird. I don't like OOCEA's unisigns either. At least they aren't using the yellow banner with the orange state outline. I like the yellow banner with the black outline; I think the yellow banner with the orange outline looks ridiculous.

It might be. I looked through some other photos and noticed even trailblazers for I-25 and I-40 and reassurance shields for other state roads are also on green "unisigns". I'm not sure if it's just an Albuquerque thing or if it's for the whole state.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 11, 2011, 11:08:11 PM
Does anyone have the new exit numbers at the I-10/I-95 interchange, so I can add them to OpenStreetMap? I've been meaning to get up there, but haven't had a chance since construction ended.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 12, 2011, 07:00:34 AM
I'll go ahead and hazard a guess that it's exit 0 on I-10...

How's traffic flowing up there now? I usually take 9A if I'm going north on 95 and the 295 if I'm going west on 10, mainly due to that nasty construction. Now that it's finished I may have to try driving through the city again.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 12, 2011, 07:28:06 AM
Wrong end of I-10... there are actually four or five exits in that area that don't strictly correspond to old exits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 12, 2011, 09:01:35 AM
Duh... exit zero would be on the west side. I should learn not to post before 10AM!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 12, 2011, 04:27:49 PM
The Big I (I-10/I-95) was essentially complete in October of last year.  I drove it in January and except for some signing issues and striping it was done-a MUCH needed improvement.

IIRC the Trout River Bridge project on I-95 should be done too.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on May 12, 2011, 04:29:39 PM
IIRC the Trout River Bridge project on I-95 should be done too.

It is.  I drove it in late '09.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 15, 2011, 01:06:12 PM
So does that mean they are finally done with the improvements to FL 50 and Good Homes Road? It's been going on for ever it seems like...

Now they are done here, but working further west in Winter Garden and from the Lake/ Orange County Line to US 27!  Clermont and Orlando are now part of the same metropolis.  Back in 2000 there was plenty of open land from Clermont to Winter Garden.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 16, 2011, 08:16:02 PM
There's still some repercussions from the bill that would have broken up the expressway authorities in Tampa and Orlando-several counties saw their expressway authorities go away anyway:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/os-seminole-expressway-dissolve-20110516,0,7718469.story

Brevard County had an expressway authority? :confused:  Seriously? :hmmm:  Who knew...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 17, 2011, 09:08:53 AM
Brevard County had an expressway authority? :confused:  Seriously? :hmmm:  Who knew...

They were legally created but never actually held a meeting. There was talk last year that they'd become active and build the St. Johns Heritage Parkway as a toll freeway (which is what they should have done IMO) but they decided to build it as an "expressway" instead meaning limited, at-grade intersections.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 17, 2011, 10:30:24 AM
Brevard County had an expressway authority? :confused:  Seriously? :hmmm:  Who knew...

They were legally created but never actually held a meeting. There was talk last year that they'd become active and build the St. Johns Heritage Parkway as a toll freeway (which is what they should have done IMO) but they decided to build it as an "expressway" instead meaning limited, at-grade intersections.

And a TWO-LANE road at that, which will be locked up with traffic five minutes after it opens.  I agree wholeheartedly, but we'll be hearing the screams of outraged drivers for years afterward.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 17, 2011, 10:44:49 AM
And a TWO-LANE road at that, which will be locked up with traffic five minutes after it opens.  I agree wholeheartedly, but we'll be hearing the screams of outraged drivers for years afterward.

It's only going to be a 2 lane road?! I thought it was going to be at least 4. Hasn't Palm Bay learned anything from GDC's mistakes?

They kept using John Young Parkway as an example of this style of "expressway" road and how it's really not a big deal that it won't be a freeway. As if none of us realize that JYP is just as traffic clogged as every other surface street in Orlando.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 17, 2011, 10:49:53 AM
JYP is significantly better than OBT in the Florida Mall area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 17, 2011, 11:22:11 AM
Florida Mall

 :-D

that's one way of describing the Orlando area!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 17, 2011, 11:35:34 AM
ha. ha. ha.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 17, 2011, 12:40:05 PM
JYP is significantly better than OBT in the Florida Mall area.

That depends on what you mean by "better". Personally, I define "better" as having a higher quantity of strip clubs and prostitutes per mile. Thus, OBT wins by a wide margin.

JYP - all the traffic without the hookers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Daniel Fiddler on May 17, 2011, 12:43:05 PM
JYP is significantly better than OBT in the Florida Mall area.

I can agree to that since I used to live in Orlando.  In fact, I'd say from Hwy 192 in Kissimmee all the way up to I - 4 JYP is faster with the one exception of the Osceola Pkwy to the 417, which OBT is SLIGHTLY faster.  Although I would not consider JYP to be quite in the Florida Mall area, it's about a mile west.

JYP is significantly better than OBT in the Florida Mall area.

That depends on what you mean by "better". Personally, I define "better" as having a higher quantity of strip clubs and prostitutes per mile. Thus, OBT wins by a wide margin.

JYP - all the traffic without the hookers.

Yes, in that aspect, OBT is certainly better than JYP.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 17, 2011, 07:00:33 PM
I can agree to that since I used to live in Orlando.  In fact, I'd say from Hwy 192 in Kissimmee all the way up to I - 4 JYP is faster with the one exception of the Osceola Pkwy to the 417, which OBT is SLIGHTLY faster.  Although I would not consider JYP to be quite in the Florida Mall area, it's about a mile west.
Actually, not even a year ago (I think) they redid the John Young Pkwy and Osceola Pkwy intersection. It's now grade-separated with John Young Pkwy having freedom of movement. The interchange is a SPUI. So that may make the JYP route a little faster.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on May 30, 2011, 03:27:30 AM
Looks like they've begun the widening of I-95 from FL 528 to FL 406-I've been watching placement of jersey barriers in the median strip of I-95 between 528 and the Port St. John exit and they've continued the shoulder widening from SR 50 north to just short of the Volusia County border with CR 5.

http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/52/405506_2_I_95_Widening_from_SR_528_to_south_of_SR_406
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 08, 2011, 12:08:27 PM
I took a quick iPhone picture of one of the new signs at the 520/528 interchange showing the new, yellow toll shields with the orange state outline. The use of Clearview indicates that it's an OOCEA sign, which is odd because the reassurance markers they just posted use the green TOLL banner.

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16010609/Photo%20Jun%2003%2C%208%2052%2007.jpeg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 08, 2011, 05:21:08 PM
Presumably since you're already on the toll road, you don't need the yellow toll banner on reassurance.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 08, 2011, 06:44:12 PM
Does the MUTCD require it only at entrances then? That would make sense. Although you would think with the state route markers they would want consistency statewide.

I found some docs a few weeks ago on the FTE website with their new sign plans putting a yellow TOLL banner above the standard turnpike shield. I was going to check there again to see if they made a distinction between directional and reassurance shields but their site is broken currently.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 08, 2011, 07:16:02 PM
I'm waiting to see if they screw up the part of 528 west of OBT. Until Universal Boulevard was extended, there was a sign on Orangewood warning of the last intersection before toll, despite 528 there never having been a toll road (except before any of the interchanges existed).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on June 08, 2011, 07:50:59 PM
I believe you're supposed to have the TOLL banner on all assemblies:

2F.11 Standard: The TOLL (M4-15) auxiliary sign (see Figure 2F-4) shall have a black legend and border on a yellow background and shall be mounted directly above the route sign of a numbered toll highway or, if used, above the cardinal direction and alternative route auxiliary signs, in any route sign assembly providing directions from a non-toll highway to the toll highway or to a segment of a highway on which the payment of a toll is required.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 08, 2011, 08:08:20 PM
"...in any route sign assembly providing directions from a non-toll highway to the toll highway or to a segment of a highway on which the payment of a toll is required."

Seems to me that NE2 was right in that it is only necessary for signs leading to the toll road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on June 09, 2011, 07:53:17 AM
I wonder how they'll post the toll banner above the cardinal direction (per 2F.11) if the toll banner is integrated into the shield to begin with.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 09, 2011, 09:05:35 AM
I wonder how they'll post the toll banner above the cardinal direction (per 2F.11) if the toll banner is integrated into the shield to begin with.

This is pure speculation, but perhaps that's why the created those new "unisigns"? The directional is white text on the mini-BGS, not a true banner, so they can still check the box that says they're following the standard.

The turnpike site is back up. Here is their latest set of sign standards:
http://design.floridasturnpike.com/prod_design/tppph/2010/guidedwgs/traffic/TPPPH_4_27_11.pdf

It appears that they are using the yellow toll banner on approach/connecting roads, not on reassurance markers like we suspected. Interestingly they make no mention of yellow-bannered state shields.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on June 09, 2011, 09:18:39 PM
"...in any route sign assembly providing directions from a non-toll highway to the toll highway or to a segment of a highway on which the payment of a toll is required."

Seems to me that NE2 was right in that it is only necessary for signs leading to the toll road.
Did you not see the part that I bolded?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 09, 2011, 09:43:24 PM
"...in any route sign assembly providing directions from a non-toll highway to the toll highway or to a segment of a highway on which the payment of a toll is required."

Seems to me that NE2 was right in that it is only necessary for signs leading to the toll road.
Did you not see the part that I bolded?

I did. I disagree with your interpretation. Your part in bold is qualified with the part I quoted. They're saying it should be above any route sign (or above the directional if there is one) for any sign providing directions to the toll highway. The clause about the directional banners is set off with commas. It can be read it like they used parentheses instead.

This is why I hate legalese. Two otherwise intelligent people can read a sentence and come away with two very different conclusions!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on June 10, 2011, 04:59:37 PM
"...in any route sign assembly providing directions from a non-toll highway to the toll highway or to a segment of a highway on which the payment of a toll is required."

Seems to me that NE2 was right in that it is only necessary for signs leading to the toll road.
Did you not see the part that I bolded?

I did. I disagree with your interpretation. Your part in bold is qualified with the part I quoted. They're saying it should be above any route sign (or above the directional if there is one) for any sign providing directions to the toll highway. The clause about the directional banners is set off with commas. It can be read it like they used parentheses instead.

This is why I hate legalese. Two otherwise intelligent people can read a sentence and come away with two very different conclusions!
I was looking at the part you quoted as an "OR". I agree, though, it's very ambiguous.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on June 11, 2011, 05:10:17 PM
While coming back from the Panama City area this morning and I saw this in my rear-view mirror, so I turned around and snapped a photo...

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-020_eb_app_fl-293.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-020_eb_app_fl-293.jpg)    (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-293_toll_shield_upclose.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fl-293_toll_shield_upclose.jpg)

So far this is the only instance of the new TOLL shield in the northwest Florida area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 11, 2011, 05:35:00 PM
is the rounding of the upper left and right corners a new standard?  looks like extra rounded compared to other TOLL shields which I have seen.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on June 11, 2011, 05:52:31 PM
It might be who they (meaning the Mid-Bay Bridge Toll Authority) gets to make the signs for them. I've noticed that a lot of the signage up here is slightly different than in other areas of Florida though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 13, 2011, 12:11:17 PM
I'm hoping that FDOT uses this as an excuse to get rid of those ridiculous widened TOLL shields that you see around on BGS's. Rather than making the shield larger enough to fit the three digit number, they stretched it horizontally and used a small font. They're ugly as hell.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kharvey10 on June 16, 2011, 10:50:53 PM
It was horrible sight in Ft. Lauderdale area.  Not only on the state highway shields, but also on the BGS for good measure.  The best part was finding white on green FL 869 shields on the county roads not far from the Toll 869.  I didn't take pics but you can get a good load of it on street view.  (Dad was driving and I get little say when he drives, would had 869 clinched but did not have any change for those exact change toll booths.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 16, 2011, 11:41:25 PM
On a half-mile stretch along US 441 and the Sawgrass Expressway, there's at least four different types of SR 869 signs with different TOLL designations...no consistency! (Which is kind of cool, to me, at least...it might bug some members here.)

The green SR 869 Toll signs were short-lived; they popped up around 1996 or so, when the Sawgrass Expressway "frog" signs were removed in lots of places. A few months later, small signs below the directional arrows popped in to remind you the that the locals do not generally call it Florida State Road 869.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 16, 2011, 11:46:49 PM
I remember seeing a green shield with white legend in the Clearwater area.  If I had to force a guess, I'd say 527 but that might not even be a toll road.

It was in awful rush hour traffic and I just wanted to get the hell out of there, so I didn't stop to take a photo
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on June 17, 2011, 01:11:18 AM
I remember seeing a green shield with white legend in the Clearwater area.  If I had to force a guess, I'd say 527 but that might not even be a toll road.

It was in awful rush hour traffic and I just wanted to get the hell out of there, so I didn't stop to take a photo

527 probably refers to Orange Ave in the Orlando area - both a state road and county road number designation.

You might be talking about 618 (Tampa Selmon Crosstown Expressway) or 589 (Veterans Expressway); both are toll roads in the Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 17, 2011, 01:33:29 AM
I remember seeing a green shield with white legend in the Clearwater area.  If I had to force a guess, I'd say 527 but that might not even be a toll road.
60 on an overhead? (It's gone now since SR 60 was rerouted onto SR 651 and a new bridge.)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2niofgk.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on June 17, 2011, 01:46:00 AM
60 on an overhead?

nope, not that one, but that is an awesome shield.  have never seen that style before in FL.  

the shield I refer to had this color scheme, but was a cutout on a pole, like the ones seen in the background. 

(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19705281i1.jpg)

oh, and more modern lighter green.  the shield I remember didn't look old at all, just an unusual color scheme.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kharvey10 on June 19, 2011, 11:15:23 PM
Found more ugly orange state outline toll FL shields on the turnpike in the Orlando area going northbound even snapped a few pictures.  Even found a non-neutered I-75 shield off US 301 interchange with the turnpike (didn't have camera ready for that one), even though it did look like crap (compared to what you normally see on the Turnpike) and it was a FTE sign.
street view of it (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Orlando,+FL&aq=0&sll=21.902278,-69.790306&sspn=0.171376,0.338173&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Orlando,+Orange,+Florida&ll=28.837597,-82.045469&spn=0.005056,0.010568&t=h&z=17&layer=c&cbll=28.837695,-82.045475&panoid=ZZ__D70OY7Mj-DwWMw9PGQ&cbp=12,327.69,,0,0)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 20, 2011, 02:06:02 AM
It might be who they (meaning the Mid-Bay Bridge Toll Authority) gets to make the signs for them. I've noticed that a lot of the signage up here is slightly different than in other areas of Florida though.

Those horrible popcorn shields come to mind.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on June 21, 2011, 12:00:09 AM
Snapped some pictures on I-75 southbound near Exit 5 for Florida's Turnpike. The BGSs feature the yellow toll banner over the Turnpike shield.

http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-I75_S_MM5_2011-06-17_0.jpg (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-I75_S_MM5_2011-06-17_0.jpg)

http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-I75_S_MM5_2011-06-17_1.jpg (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-I75_S_MM5_2011-06-17_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: kharvey10 on June 21, 2011, 03:46:24 PM
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5314/5857199021_825b0a2e20.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29886127@N02/5857199021/)
061 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/29886127@N02/5857199021/) by Kimmy1978 (http://www.flickr.com/people/29886127@N02/), on Flickr
Here is one with the orange state outline found on the turnpike in the Orlando area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on June 22, 2011, 04:04:14 PM
Here is one with the orange state outline found on the turnpike in the Orlando area.

KHarvey, I thought you meant "ugly" as in the yellow toll banner with orange state outline. You're talking about the ones with the green banner too?

EDIT: Thought I'd add more pictures that I took heading out of the Keys. This trip took me on US 1, FL 821 (Turnpike Homestead Extension), FL 874 (Don Shula Expressway), FL 826 (Palmetto Expressway), I 95, FL 70, and eventually back to the Turnpike. These pictures are on FL 821 and FL 874 and feature the yellow toll banner. There was another one (the original, I think) on FL 826 at the interchange to FL 924 (Gratigny Parkway) that I saw last year, but I didn't get a picture of that one.

I apologize for the quality of the pics. They were taken with a camera phone as I was flying down the highway at 70mph in Miami traffic. But I think they still turned out alright.

Turnpike, Exit 17 to FL 874 (TO FL 826)
(http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_0.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_0.jpg)

Turnpike, Exit 17 to FL 874 (TO FL 826)
(http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_1.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_1.jpg)

Turnpike, Exit 17 to FL 874 (TO FL 826)
(http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_2.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL91_N_MM17_2011-06-21_2.jpg)

FL 874 (Don Shula), showing FL 874 and FL 878 (Snapper Creek) shields
(http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM1_2011-06-21_0.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM1_2011-06-21_0.jpg)

FL 874 (Don Shula), showing FL 874 and FL 878 (Snapper Creek) shields
(http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM2_2011-06-21_1.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM2_2011-06-21_1.jpg)

FL 874 (Don Shula), showing FL 874 and FL 878 (Snapper Creek) shields
(http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM3_2011-06-21_2.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM3_2011-06-21_2.jpg)

FL 874 reassurance marker after the last toll gantry. Notice the white TOLL legend is removed.
(http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM4_2011-06-21_3.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FL-FL874_N_MM4_2011-06-21_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 23, 2011, 07:52:12 AM
You were driving in Miami traffic and ONLY going 70? :)

I'm due for another keys trip. I try to get down there a couple of times a year.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on June 23, 2011, 07:09:09 PM
You were driving in Miami traffic and ONLY going 70? :)

I'm due for another keys trip. I try to get down there a couple of times a year.

Hahaha. At least I think I was going 70. The wire you see protruding from the windshield is my GlobalSat GPS receiver hooked up to my netbook. It tracks my lat, lon, heading, and speed for all my major trips, so I'll take a look at the trip data and see what my max speed was in the Miami area. Just for schitz and giggles, ya know...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 25, 2011, 07:29:50 PM
Took a cruise up I-95 this evening in the Titusville area-there are jersey barriers installed on the inside shoulders of the interstate between SR 50 and SR 406 and they have begun work on sound walls on the northbound side.  In addition, signals have been installed on SR 406 at the I-95 northbound on/off ramps (which was BADLY needed, IMHO).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 25, 2011, 11:12:06 PM
On a half-mile stretch along US 441 and the Sawgrass Expressway, there's at least four different types of SR 869 signs with different TOLL designations...no consistency! (Which is kind of cool, to me, at least...it might bug some members here.)

The green SR 869 Toll signs were short-lived; they popped up around 1996 or so, when the Sawgrass Expressway "frog" signs were removed in lots of places. A few months later, small signs below the directional arrows popped in to remind you the that the locals do not generally call it Florida State Road 869.

Many of the shields and BGS at US 441/FL 7 and the Sawgrass Expressway were destroyed during Hurricane Wilma.  The grassy loop to the west of US 441 was filled with hundreds of broken, twisted signs and heeps of broken traffic lights for a longtime after the storm.  It has been a hodgepodge of green shields, white shields, etc. ever since.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 25, 2011, 11:16:45 PM
Looks like there have been a lot of changes along FL 874/FL 878 area.  I have not been down that far in several years.  I only get down as far as Flagler Street and FL 826 for meetings once a quarter where there are LOTS of rebuilding and reconstruction of the FL 836/FL 826 interchange and other exits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 02, 2011, 04:56:36 AM
No gore, or any other permenant signage. The first sign said:

PINEDA
CSWY
1 MILE

The second, right at the start of the exit, said

PINEDA
CSWY
--->

and was flashing quickly.

Keep in mind that Community Asphalt (the I-95 contractor) wasn't planning on opening their portion for another 3 or 4 months. They were forced by the state to do it early. I wouldn't expect actual signage until closer to then.

Any update on new permanent signage yet?  Just was curious. ;)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 02, 2011, 10:36:04 PM
No gore, or any other permenant signage. The first sign said:

PINEDA
CSWY
1 MILE

The second, right at the start of the exit, said

PINEDA
CSWY
--->

and was flashing quickly.

Keep in mind that Community Asphalt (the I-95 contractor) wasn't planning on opening their portion for another 3 or 4 months. They were forced by the state to do it early. I wouldn't expect actual signage until closer to then.

Any update on new permanent signage yet?  Just was curious. ;)

None yet. All other new signage for the widening project is installed but nothing at Pineda. They haven't even poured the foundations for the gantries as of yesterday. They are busily working on final paving for the third lane though. It's actually done in a few spots with the right lane coned off to keep people from using it.

There is new construction from the 528 north to the Volusia county line. It's not adding an extra lane contrary to popular belief. They are repaving and adding a much needed median crash barrier.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 03, 2011, 12:56:03 AM
Quote

There is new construction from the 528 north to the Volusia county line. It's not adding an extra lane contrary to popular belief. They are repaving and adding a much needed median crash barrier.

Well someone needs to tell FDOT District 5 that:

http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/52/405506_2_I_95_Widening_from_SR_528_to_south_of_SR_406

Not that I doubt you, of course.  This project has shifted it's focus so many times that I wouldn't believe it until they finally built it-or not.  Originally it was supposed to be SR 528 to the Volusia county line, then SR 528 to SR 50, then JUST between SR 528 and the Port St. John exit, and now back to SR 406.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 03, 2011, 10:05:48 AM
Quote

There is new construction from the 528 north to the Volusia county line. It's not adding an extra lane contrary to popular belief. They are repaving and adding a much needed median crash barrier.

Well someone needs to tell FDOT District 5 that:

http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/52/405506_2_I_95_Widening_from_SR_528_to_south_of_SR_406

Not that I doubt you, of course.  This project has shifted it's focus so many times that I wouldn't believe it until they finally built it-or not.  Originally it was supposed to be SR 528 to the Volusia county line, then SR 528 to SR 50, then JUST between SR 528 and the Port St. John exit, and now back to SR 406.

I should know better than to get my info from Florida Today. What I'm talking about is Near Future Construction #2 here:
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/pdf%20files/BREVARD.pdf

I guess they are adding a lane to SR406, then repaving and crash barriers to the Volusia line.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 03, 2011, 01:49:19 PM
Quote

I should know better than to get my info from Florida Today.
 

 :-D  :nod::pan:

Too bad they don't have a dump-truck-with-salt smiley!

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 03, 2011, 02:16:40 PM
Anybody know the exact points where the "Backwoods Trail" exists along Florida State Road 19? I know the north end of that concurrency is at some National Forest Road that runs through Ocala National Forest, but where's the south end of that concurrency? And no, I'm not talking about the spur of the Black Bear Scenic Byway.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 08, 2011, 05:27:43 PM
Are the State Farmers Markets some of the last places to find big 'ol button copy signs? I saw one in Immokalee a few months ago.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6004/5916779748_c2ff9a51cd.jpg)
Title: Jacksonville Pic Request
Post by: Alex on July 22, 2011, 07:25:46 PM
Anyone have some eastbound pics of Interstate 10 from Baldwin east to downtown that I can use to update the site (full credit given of course)? I have no photos of Exit 350 (State Road 23) for instance and the pics I have east of Baldwin are dark/grainy ones from March 2010. I do have some photos Kevin took last September between Interstates 295 and 95 though.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 22, 2011, 08:38:54 PM
I've been meaning to get up there since construction ended. Maybe before the end of the year I'll have some.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 23, 2011, 06:35:27 PM
Have not debuted it yet, but you can go from the Alabama state line to Interstate 95 with more recent photos on the new Interstate 10 eastbound guides (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=i0010eafl).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 28, 2011, 03:09:35 AM
You have two links to https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_12.jpg instead of the second going to https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_13.jpg.

Anyway, about this photo:
(https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_13.jpg)
US 17 and SR 228 are not signed to follow I-95 to US 23. Instead this exit leads to the recently-rebuilt Forest Street and on to the old route past the north end of SR 13. But then what happens? US 17 shields have been removed at the SR 13 interchange, and the old route cannot be followed beyond there, since the ramp from Water Street to Ocean Street has been closed.

I'm also confused about the duplicate ramp to I-95 north on the far left (closed at the time the photo was taken). Why is this here? Will it be more useful when I-95 is rebuilt through downtown?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on July 28, 2011, 11:48:30 AM
You have two links to https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_12.jpg instead of the second going to https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_13.jpg.

Fixed, thanks.


Anyway, about this photo:
<snip>
US 17 and SR 228 are not signed to follow I-95 to US 23. Instead this exit leads to the recently-rebuilt Forest Street and on to the old route past the north end of SR 13. But then what happens? US 17 shields have been removed at the SR 13 interchange, and the old route cannot be followed beyond there, since the ramp from Water Street to Ocean Street has been closed.

I'm also confused about the duplicate ramp to I-95 north on the far left (closed at the time the photo was taken). Why is this here? Will it be more useful when I-95 is rebuilt through downtown?

I updated that caption based upon what you wrote. When I was last in downtown Jacksonville, I drove a lot of the streets signed as US highways and noted that US 17 kind of just "appeared" as you head north. The gap explanation makes sense as to what happens with the route.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 28, 2011, 11:54:55 AM
US 17 is supposed to continue to US 23, as approved by AASHTO, and I think it is signed that way southbound. Personally I would put it on the Forsyth-Adams one-way pair, which has the advantage of leading directly into the SR 228 freeway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on July 28, 2011, 09:40:56 PM

I'm also confused about the duplicate ramp to I-95 north on the far left (closed at the time the photo was taken). Why is this here? Will it be more useful when I-95 is rebuilt through downtown?

It leads to the new express lanes for I-95.  The other ramp leads to new C/D lanes for Forest Street, Forsyth Street and Monroe Street.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 28, 2011, 10:44:51 PM

I'm also confused about the duplicate ramp to I-95 north on the far left (closed at the time the photo was taken). Why is this here? Will it be more useful when I-95 is rebuilt through downtown?

It leads to the new express lanes for I-95.  The other ramp leads to new C/D lanes for Forest Street, Forsyth Street and Monroe Street.

Yes, but the 'other ramp' is the one that's signed for I-95 north at the initial split (unless signs have changed since the ramp opened): https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida010/i-010_eb_exit_362_02.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on July 28, 2011, 10:58:20 PM
What I'm wondering is if FDOT fixed their posting of US-1/90 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg52404#msg52404) and put them onto I-95 for a short segment and posted FL-5 (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg52758#msg52758) on the surface alignment. :sombrero:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on July 29, 2011, 01:27:24 AM
I'd rather they fixed their records to keep US 1/90 signed as-is. Florida's been very good at keeping U.S. Routes on surface streets; the only one moved onto an Interstate (US 17) was given to the city and became a local street.
Title: SR 750 signed west of SR 289!
Post by: Alex on August 01, 2011, 05:13:18 PM
Running errands in Pensacola this afternoon, I discovered a brand new Florida 750 shield posted west of the intersection with Florida 289 (Ninth Avenue). The shapefiles from FDOT have shown Airport Boulevard as a state road west to SR 291 for a couple of years now. This is the first time however, that any shield has appeared west of SR 289. Did not check out the intersection with SR 291 for new signage, but will keep it in mind for future trips over.

Also for anyone familiar with the intersection of SR 750 and 12th Avenue, all of the trees on the northeastern corner were leveled for future business development associated with the airport.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on August 01, 2011, 08:23:14 PM
I'm also confused about the duplicate ramp to I-95 north on the far left (closed at the time the photo was taken). Why is this here? Will it be more useful when I-95 is rebuilt through downtown?

Can't speak for what the current layout/signage is, but the maps on the official site for the interchange confirm what DeaconG described.

http://thebigi.info/look.htm#
http://thebigi.info/images/1095-phase-map_SEPT_2010_lg.gif
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 18, 2011, 05:47:36 PM
Looks like the on-again, off again First Coast Outer Beltway in the Jacksonville area is now a go, according to FDOT:

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/moreDOT/spenews/First%20Coast%20Outer%20Beltway%20Announcement.pdf

Now for the fun part...nowhere in this announcement is any mention of the linking of said beltway from Blanding Boulevard to I-95 via the new Shands Bridge (which were in previous plans)...so no high speed bypass of Jacksonville for you!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on August 18, 2011, 07:15:33 PM
Earlier this week, FDOT Region #7 opened up the new relocated northbound off-ramp to Exit 275, which also includes an off-ramp from the I-275 flyover. I shot a video of it with my camera on Tuesday, but I might swipe some stills of it from the video.

UPDATE: Looks like FDOT already has two of them:
http://www.mytbi.com/gallery/details.asp?fileID=600
http://www.mytbi.com/gallery/details.asp?fileID=601
They really should change the exit number from I-275 to Exit 60, though.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 12:23:15 AM
From the latest GIS data it looks like SR 3 has been re-extended back to the KSC border.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 06, 2011, 06:34:35 AM
From the latest GIS data it looks like SR 3 has been re-extended back to the KSC border.

Where did it end before? I didn't know it had been truncated. It has certainly been signed as SR3 from the south KSC gate for at least the past few years.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 06:36:16 AM
From the latest GIS data it looks like SR 3 has been re-extended back to the KSC border.

Where did it end before? I didn't know it had been truncated. It has certainly been signed as SR3 from the south KSC gate for at least the past few years.

I'm pretty sure I remember signage ending at SR 528 at one time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 06, 2011, 09:13:58 AM
On business in Palm Beach County last week, first up was this weird sign for the Florida's Turnpike...it appears to be some sort of love child between the standard FT sign and a Florida State Road sign. It was just put up in August, according to the decal on the back. It's located on Boynton Beach Boulevard, about a mile east of the Turnpike.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/5613/14992240423_14c8fee188_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oQP9KR)

A nice US 1 cutout heading east towards its intersection of Blue Heron Blvd:

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/US1cutout-SR708.jpg)

And I found it odd that SR 710 is signed right up to the Port of Palm Beach entry:

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/PortOfPalmBeachSR710.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 10:09:12 AM
A nice US 1 cutout heading east towards its intersection of Blue Heron Blvd:
Nice? Nah, just a guide sign shield.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2011, 11:25:15 AM
someone needs to walk up to that US-1 sign and paint an inner black border on it.

as for the Turnpike sign: I wonder if that is actually made to a very old standard.  I know the first generation of Penna Turnpike signs were white with black legend.  What about Florida?  Green with white legend was first seriously used starting in 1957 when the AASHO interstate manual introduced the idea nationwide. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 06, 2011, 11:31:33 AM
What about Florida?  Green with white legend was first seriously used starting in 1957 when the AASHO interstate manual introduced the idea nationwide. 
Nope - Sunshine State Parkway (old name) signs were also white on green: http://www.gribblenation.com/flpics/vintage/f28.jpg (Michael Summa, 1982)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 06, 2011, 12:51:05 PM
Formulanone, I spotted a Florida's Turnpike trailblazer that is the complete opposite of the one you posted. This one is on US 27 northbound just south of the Turnpike. They are just like the standard state road shield, but the state outline is white on green (same colors as the Turnpike shield). Unfortunately I'm in Mississippi at the moment and probably won't be able to get a picture until I'm there again in October.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 06, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
Formulanone, I spotted a Florida's Turnpike trailblazer that is the complete opposite of the one you posted. This one is on US 27 northbound just south of the Turnpike. They are just like the standard state road shield, but the state outline is white on green (same colors as the Turnpike shield). Unfortunately I'm in Mississippi at the moment and probably won't be able to get a picture until I'm there again in October.

I'd definitely like to see a picture of that!  Does it have "Florida's Turnpike" squeezed in where a number would ordinarily go?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 06, 2011, 04:13:33 PM
Update on the I-95 widening projects in Brevard (north and south):

On the south end, there isn't much activity; they have begun repaving I-95 between US 192 and Palm Bay Road, but the sections between US 192 and the Lake Washington Road overpass and from the Pineda Causeway extension to Fiske Boulevard remain with the original pavement; of course, there is no signage at the Pineda Causeway extension exit (saving it for last on purpose?).

On the north end, things are ramping up fast; there are now lane shifts across the entire section of I-95 from SR 528 to SR 406 including Jersey barriers across the majority of the project area, especially between SR 528 and Port St. John Blvd, at the Addison Canal and between the Fox Lake Road overpass and SR 406.  The sound walls in that area that were being put up are virtually complete.

There will be periodic lane closings and lane shifts especially during the evening; if you are driving through this area be real careful of the po-po as not only the FHP's and BCSO but also the Titusville police are out on the northern section at night.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 06, 2011, 09:35:38 PM
^^^
SB I95 had the third lane open for several weeks south of 192, but they blocked it off again for no reason. The pavement is all done, and it fed nicely into the 3rd lane between Palm Bay Road and Malabar. Maybe they contractually aren't allowed to open the lane early or something?

It's getting close. I'm looking forward to having that third lane the whole way between my usual Malabar Road exit and the 528.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on September 06, 2011, 10:16:09 PM
No gore, or any other permenant signage. The first sign said:

PINEDA
CSWY
1 MILE

The second, right at the start of the exit, said

PINEDA
CSWY
--->

and was flashing quickly.

Keep in mind that Community Asphalt (the I-95 contractor) wasn't planning on opening their portion for another 3 or 4 months. They were forced by the state to do it early. I wouldn't expect actual signage until closer to then.

Any update on new permanent signage yet?  Just was curious. ;)

None yet. All other new signage for the widening project is installed but nothing at Pineda. They haven't even poured the foundations for the gantries as of yesterday. They are busily working on final paving for the third lane though. It's actually done in a few spots with the right lane coned off to keep people from using it.

There is new construction from the 528 north to the Volusia county line. It's not adding an extra lane contrary to popular belief. They are repaving and adding a much needed median crash barrier.

Any new updates on the signage yet? :P lol. ;)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 07, 2011, 06:00:39 AM
Formulanone, I spotted a Florida's Turnpike trailblazer that is the complete opposite of the one you posted. This one is on US 27 northbound just south of the Turnpike. They are just like the standard state road shield, but the state outline is white on green (same colors as the Turnpike shield). Unfortunately I'm in Mississippi at the moment and probably won't be able to get a picture until I'm there again in October.

I'd definitely like to see a picture of that!  Does it have "Florida's Turnpike" squeezed in where a number would ordinarily go?
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=clermont,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.642766,-81.806324&spn=0.016817,0.041199&gl=us&t=k&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.642693,-81.80642&panoid=OJp_sXKdusLvHFpdCK2jYw&cbp=12,279.51,,2,-8.17

Another abnormal style (probably put up by Orange County): http://maps.google.com/maps?q=clermont,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.552542,-81.542115&spn=0.016831,0.041199&gl=us&t=k&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.55263,-81.542123&panoid=YKg8ix96zyEU_huYKKbLMQ&cbp=12,233.91,,2,-0.59
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 07, 2011, 04:44:30 PM
Formulanone, I spotted a Florida's Turnpike trailblazer that is the complete opposite of the one you posted. This one is on US 27 northbound just south of the Turnpike. They are just like the standard state road shield, but the state outline is white on green (same colors as the Turnpike shield). Unfortunately I'm in Mississippi at the moment and probably won't be able to get a picture until I'm there again in October.

I'd definitely like to see a picture of that!  Does it have "Florida's Turnpike" squeezed in where a number would ordinarily go?

I poked around on SouthEastRoads and couldn't find the sign I saw, so I made a quick mockup. The wording is probably inaccurate ("Florida's Turnpike" is probably just "Turnpike") but the white state outline is definitely the same as the real sign. Next time I'm in that area, which will be October, I'll be sure to grab a picture of the signs (there are multiple ones Northbound - not sure about Southbound).

(http://astareglobe.org/public/US27_JCT_FL91.png) (http://astareglobe.org/public/US27_JCT_FL91.png)

Edit: NE2 beat me to it, like 10 hours ago, lol. Should've thought about Google Maps. That first link posted is very close to the sign I saw. The mockup I made should be of the sign that is posted just two miles south of the one linked. I'll poke around Google Maps some and see if I can find it.

Edit #2: Found them! The sign is located at 28.634053N,81.778012W. Below are the two best shots I could get from Street View:

(http://astareglobe.org/public/US27_JCT_FL91_0.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/US27_JCT_FL91_0.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/US27_JCT_FL91_1.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/US27_JCT_FL91_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on September 07, 2011, 06:14:00 PM

Another abnormal style (probably put up by Orange County): http://maps.google.com/maps?q=clermont,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.552542,-81.542115&spn=0.016831,0.041199&gl=us&t=k&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.55263,-81.542123&panoid=YKg8ix96zyEU_huYKKbLMQ&cbp=12,233.91,,2,-0.59

I have seen those other Florida's Turnpike trailblazer and am searching through my archives to see if I have photographed it. In the meantime I found a photo of the shield assembly on the other side of Maguire Road:

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/img_8113_w1000_h750.jpg) (https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/img_8113_w1000_h750.jpg)

Taken 04-11-08.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 07, 2011, 06:56:49 PM
You have to wonder if these BGSs and trailblazers are made by county sign shops. I think Maguire Rd is a county road (not sure of the number off hand ... 438 or 439?), and I have seen that style in a few other spots (one image posted below). But that doesn't explain the ones on US 27, like NE2 and I posted above. I mean those shields for the Turnpike are so far out of left field. And I figure with US 27 being state maintained, they would post the offical shields at least.

I found some others around the Orlando area. This one is on John Young Pkwy heading Northbound just south of the FL 528 interchange. 28.418151N,81.422535W

(http://astareglobe.org/public/CR423N_Orange_JCT_FL528_0.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/CR423N_Orange_JCT_FL528_0.jpg)

And this one is on one of the roads heading out from the Florida Mall. By far the worst shields I've ever seen in person. 28.443877N,81.399287W
(http://astareglobe.org/public/FloridaMallTrailblazers.jpg) (http://astareglobe.org/public/FloridaMallTrailblazers.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 08, 2011, 09:46:56 AM
Those shields near the Florida Mall always reminded me of the cartoony ones that the Disney World uses.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 08, 2011, 10:04:47 AM
Those shields near the Florida Mall always reminded me of the cartoony ones that the Disney World uses.

Same here. They could at least make the ones on their BPSs (Big PURPLE signs) MUTCD compliant. Same goes for all of their signs - their speed limits and other warning signs like merges, curves, and advisory speeds are all custom designs. But interestingly once you go beyond the "Service and Authorized Vehicles Only" areas (for Reedy Creek and Cast Members) every sign you encounter is MUTCD compliant, including I-4 and US 192 trailblazers. Go figure.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 08, 2011, 05:18:52 PM
And I found it odd that SR 710 is signed right up to the Port of Palm Beach entry:

That, and CR 706 is still signed as SR 706 at SR 710, at least going northbound.


Also, I noticed that any mention of South Street on I-4 westbound has been greened out (on the overhead mileage sign immediately after Colonial) and the South Street exit sign on the old butterfly gantry has been taken down.  


From the latest GIS data it looks like SR 3 has been re-extended back to the KSC border.

Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 08, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
Quote
Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.

They finally got around to adding Begin/End SR 405 shields about a year ago.  Was very surprised that they got around to it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 08, 2011, 10:16:29 PM
Quote
Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.

They finally got around to adding Begin/End SR 405 shields about a year ago.  Was very surprised that they got around to it.

Maybe that's why the Kennedy Space Center Visitor's Complex still thinks they're located on State Road 405 (I saw this on a sales receipt from the food court). I thought that was a little odd since I saw the END 405 shield just before Merritt Island while heading there for the first time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 08, 2011, 10:33:42 PM
Quote
Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.

They finally got around to adding Begin/End SR 405 shields about a year ago.  Was very surprised that they got around to it.

Awesome! Are they located at the pavement change? Will have to get some photos soon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 09, 2011, 11:41:16 AM
Quote
Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.

They finally got around to adding Begin/End SR 405 shields about a year ago.  Was very surprised that they got around to it.

Awesome! Are they located at the pavement change? Will have to get some photos soon.

Yes, right at the border with KSC and the Astronaut Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 14, 2011, 02:38:08 PM
I don't think anyone's posted a photo of one of these yet:
(http://i56.tinypic.com/4fwz2q.jpg)

Also note that the legislative dual-naming of SR 50 after MLK (from Ocoee to SR 436) has been added to street signs.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 14, 2011, 03:57:54 PM
Haven't seen any yet in South Florida, except for one on a BGS along southbound I-75 for the Gratigny Parkway.

I haven seen a number of them with no color (just white), for the Sawgrass Expressway (which makes about five different shields for that route):

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/SR869bgsSR7sb.jpg)

...while were at it, another Florida's Turnpike shield abomination (thanks for making my state look like a turd, guys!)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 15, 2011, 07:50:45 PM
Haven't seen any yet in South Florida, except for one on a BGS along southbound I-75 for the Gratigny Parkway.

I haven seen a number of them with no color (just white), for the Sawgrass Expressway (which makes about five different shields for that route):

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/SR869bgsSR7sb.jpg)

...while were at it, another Florida's Turnpike shield abomination (thanks for making my state look like a turd, guys!)



The HEFT is full of yellow banner toll shields.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 17, 2011, 06:01:06 AM
The HEFT is full of yellow banner toll shields.

SR 874 (Don Shula Expressway) also has yellow toll shields on BGS's to SR 878 and for reassurance BGSs for SR 874. And as realjd mentioned, the HEFT has a few too - including the ones on BGSs to SR 874. Southbound I-75 also has one for the HEFT Southbound. I posted some pictures here (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg105513#msg105513).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on September 17, 2011, 01:27:57 PM
Short photo set from the newest portion of Florida 293 that opened southeast of Niceville earlier this summer:

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0060_595.jpg)
Opening in July, Florida 293 now reaches Range Road about 1.4 miles east of Florida 20 southeast of Niceville. Locals may use this northernmost entry point of Florida 293 to travel south to Destin on the south side of Choctowhatchee Bay.

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0070_595.jpg)
Florida 293 heads southward to intersect with Florida 20 in 0.5 miles. The Bluewater Bay development can be reached via the SPUI ahead and lies northwest along Florida 20.

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0075_595.jpg)
Sign advising southbound motorists of the toll plaza ahead of the Mid-Bay Bridge across Choctowhatchee Bay.

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0079_595.jpg)
Northbound on-ramp from Lakeshore Drive onto Florida 293. A pair of signs alert motorists of the upcoming SPUI with Florida 20.

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0090_595.jpg)
Florida 293 north currently ends at Range Road. Construction is taking place to extend Florida 293 northwestward toward Florida 285 and Florida 85, where the planned toll facility will end at a trumpet interchange. Florida 293 should open fully by 2014.

(https://www.aaroads.com/queue/cache/forum-images/dsc_0084_595.jpg)
Sign bridge for Florida 293 north and south along Florida 20 east. Once completed, Florida 293 will stretch from U.S. 98 in Destin to Florida 85 north of Niceville.

The planned open road toll facility will eventually link with Florida 85 north of Niceville, having interchanges at Lakeshore Drive, Florida 20, Range Road and Florida 285. 
All photos taken 9/17/2011 by ABRoads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 18, 2011, 08:47:24 PM
^^That's awesome! I like the regular shields for the route.


Just to update, SR 582 in Tarpon Springs is no more...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 20, 2011, 04:02:08 PM
Pineda Causeway Signage Update:
They've just put in the foundations for the gantries, and the gantries are all on-site and not yet assembled. No sign of actual signs yet though.

The third lane is currently open from just south of the Pineda Causeway north. Like the third lane open from 192 south last month, I expect it won't stay open for long.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on September 21, 2011, 10:36:06 AM
Pineda Causeway Signage Update:
They've just put in the foundations for the gantries, and the gantries are all on-site and not yet assembled. No sign of actual signs yet though.

The third lane is currently open from just south of the Pineda Causeway north. Like the third lane open from 192 south last month, I expect it won't stay open for long.

I saw that lane open this past weekend, except they'd only done it for the northbound side, not the southbound...and oh, what a difference it made!  The traffic just melted away!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on September 26, 2011, 11:28:01 AM
Formulanone, I spotted a Florida's Turnpike trailblazer that is the complete opposite of the one you posted. This one is on US 27 northbound just south of the Turnpike. They are just like the standard state road shield, but the state outline is white on green (same colors as the Turnpike shield). Unfortunately I'm in Mississippi at the moment and probably won't be able to get a picture until I'm there again in October.

I'd definitely like to see a picture of that!  Does it have "Florida's Turnpike" squeezed in where a number would ordinarily go?
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=clermont,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.642766,-81.806324&spn=0.016817,0.041199&gl=us&t=k&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.642693,-81.80642&panoid=OJp_sXKdusLvHFpdCK2jYw&cbp=12,279.51,,2,-8.17

Another abnormal style (probably put up by Orange County): http://maps.google.com/maps?q=clermont,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.552542,-81.542115&spn=0.016831,0.041199&gl=us&t=k&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.55263,-81.542123&panoid=YKg8ix96zyEU_huYKKbLMQ&cbp=12,233.91,,2,-0.59

Seeing this post makes me wonder are there any TOLL SR-91 signs on the mainline turnpike?

 I would like to see them and change the HEFT to 91 as well to be consistent with the mile markers. 

And hell why we are at it why not sign as a Southern I-91.  But that would confuse some poor sap from Springfiled, Mass  wondering why I-91 dumps him onto I-75 in Wildwood FL with out ever going thru Hartford
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 26, 2011, 03:33:51 PM
Seeing this post makes me wonder are there any TOLL SR-91 signs on the mainline turnpike?

 I would like to see them and change the HEFT to 91 as well to be consistent with the mile markers. 

And hell why we are at it why not sign as a Southern I-91.  But that would confuse some poor sap from Springfiled, Mass  wondering why I-91 dumps him onto I-75 in Wildwood FL with out ever going thru Hartford

There are no TOLL-91 shields anywhere AFAIK. The HEFT is signed as a regular portion of the Turnpike, and the mile markers for the entire road start at 0 where the HEFT ends at US1. The exit numbers for the old spur between the HEFT and the I-95/Golden Glades interchange are numbered 1X, 2X, etc.

It's not I-91 for two reasons. First, the Turnpike predates the interstate system. The HEFT is an extension of the Turnpike. Second, it's my understanding that tolled interstates aren't allowed except for the few up north that were grandfathered in.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on September 26, 2011, 05:17:14 PM
Seeing this post makes me wonder are there any TOLL SR-91 signs on the mainline turnpike?

 I would like to see them and change the HEFT to 91 as well to be consistent with the mile markers. 

And hell why we are at it why not sign as a Southern I-91.  But that would confuse some poor sap from Springfiled, Mass  wondering why I-91 dumps him onto I-75 in Wildwood FL with out ever going thru Hartford

There are no TOLL-91 shields anywhere AFAIK. The HEFT is signed as a regular portion of the Turnpike, and the mile markers for the entire road start at 0 where the HEFT ends at US1. The exit numbers for the old spur between the HEFT and the I-95/Golden Glades interchange are numbered 1X, 2X, etc.

It's not I-91 for two reasons. First, the Turnpike predates the interstate system. The HEFT is an extension of the Turnpike. Second, it's my understanding that tolled interstates aren't allowed except for the few up north that were grandfathered in.

now that they are approving tolling existing interstates that should not be a problem having a tolled interstate. If its good enuf for NJ why not FL.  I remember maps showing the turnpike as 95 in the Ft Pierce to Palm Beach area back in the 1970s
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 26, 2011, 07:51:35 PM
I would like to see them and change the HEFT to 91 as well to be consistent with the mile markers.

The HEFT is just that, an extension. The original Turnpike's southern terminus is at The Golden Glades Interchange with I-95, US 441, and FL 826. The HEFT was constructed west and south to US 1 near Florida City, and is now treated as the southern terminus of the Turnpike, at least as far as mile markers and exit numbers are concerned. Because it's in effect a separate road, it carries the hidden designation of SR 821. There are also no SR 821 shields on the HEFT.

It is my understanding that FDOT, in their GIS shapefiles, identify new alignments with a new Road ID. Such is the case with the HEFT. With that comes a separate state road number. OOCEA, however, will break that rule when SR 429 is eventually extended, and the old alignment of SR 429 will become SR 451.

And that SR 91 shield that is my avatar: you won't see that anywhere in the field.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 27, 2011, 08:22:25 AM
The HEFT is just that, an extension. The original Turnpike's southern terminus is at The Golden Glades Interchange with I-95, US 441, and FL 826. The HEFT was constructed west and south to US 1 near Florida City, and is now treated as the southern terminus of the Turnpike, at least as far as mile markers and exit numbers are concerned. Because it's in effect a separate road, it carries the hidden designation of SR 821. There are also no SR 821 shields on the HEFT.

What irks me is that back in 1993, I once saw two "FL 821" shields on a pair of BGS right at US 27 (N. Okeechobee Road), indicating that there's ramps north and southbound on the HEFT. No camera with me at the time (didn't matter, I barely had any money for developing film on my budget), but my guess is that they're long gone. That's the only time I've ever seen that secret number signed in the field, and I can't even prove it...D'oh.

This is what you get now. (http://maps.google.com/?ll=25.898376,-80.382371&spn=0.02714,0.052314&t=h&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=25.898135,-80.381683&panoid=W--K39lmu5Ago9K3SkeVCQ&cbp=12,308.27,,0,5.83) How many times do we need a reminder that it's a TOLL road?

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 27, 2011, 09:17:18 AM
This is what you get now. (http://maps.google.com/?ll=25.898376,-80.382371&spn=0.02714,0.052314&t=h&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=25.898135,-80.381683&panoid=W--K39lmu5Ago9K3SkeVCQ&cbp=12,308.27,,0,5.83) How many times do we need a reminder that it's a TOLL road?

Florida tried to argue the stupid yellow toll banner rule but they told the state to bugger off: https://ceprofs.civil.tamu.edu/ghawkins/MTC-Files/2011-01_Meeting/2009%20MUTCD%20Letter%20to%20Mendez%2010-05-10.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 27, 2011, 10:42:14 AM
Florida tried to argue the stupid yellow toll banner rule but they told the state to bugger off: https://ceprofs.civil.tamu.edu/ghawkins/MTC-Files/2011-01_Meeting/2009%20MUTCD%20Letter%20to%20Mendez%2010-05-10.pdf

That's it, secession! First they take away our colored US shields, and now this. Not as if the rest of the country wouldn't mind:


-----------------------------------------------------

Slightly off-topic question...what is a "popcorn shield"? I found a few references to it in other threads for Florida State Road signs, but can't find one linking to a picture of one. I take it that it's an ugly FL shield, but now I'm curious.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 27, 2011, 05:42:08 PM
I've seen 91 posted in the field, but only on those blue construction funding signs. I've seen the same for SR 8 (I-10) and SR 400 (I-4). Along the whole length of the turnpike (plus the HEFT), I haven't seen any other mention of the numbers. There may very well be some at interchanges like the ones you mentioned (and like the weird ones on US 27 which I hope to get pictures of in October), but none on the actual RoW.

That TOLL 528 mockup in the PDF that realjd posted - laughable. I see that was dated for October 2010. Were there any yellow toll shields (as opposed to green) out in the field around that time? The only one I can think of was for SR 924 near Miami. I didn't see any others spring up until later on. Is there any official documentation for the yellow toll shield becoming the new standard? If so I've got some updating to do for my OpenRoad app.

I find it funny in the letter that they mention "having two different types of toll shields on our toll route system is not good for driver expectancy". I can think of at least FIVE different versions in use today: Green banner with black state outline, green banner with orange state outline, yellow banner with black state outline, yellow banner with orange state outline (at SR 520 and SR 528, right?), and green banner with black state outline with NO "TOLL" legend (SR 874 after last toll gantry). That's not including Florida's Turnpike (with and without the yellow TOLL banner) as well as those weird ones on US 27. So theoretically there are EIGHT different styles of shield that tell the driver it's a TOLL road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 28, 2011, 07:46:43 AM
I've seen 91 posted in the field, but only on those blue construction funding signs. I've seen the same for SR 8 (I-10) and SR 400 (I-4). Along the whole length of the turnpike (plus the HEFT), I haven't seen any other mention of the numbers. There may very well be some at interchanges like the ones you mentioned (and like the weird ones on US 27 which I hope to get pictures of in October), but none on the actual RoW.

That TOLL 528 mockup in the PDF that realjd posted - laughable. I see that was dated for October 2010. Were there any yellow toll shields (as opposed to green) out in the field around that time? The only one I can think of was for SR 924 near Miami. I didn't see any others spring up until later on. Is there any official documentation for the yellow toll shield becoming the new standard? If so I've got some updating to do for my OpenRoad app.

I find it funny in the letter that they mention "having two different types of toll shields on our toll route system is not good for driver expectancy". I can think of at least FIVE different versions in use today: Green banner with black state outline, green banner with orange state outline, yellow banner with black state outline, yellow banner with orange state outline (at SR 520 and SR 528, right?), and green banner with black state outline with NO "TOLL" legend (SR 874 after last toll gantry). That's not including Florida's Turnpike (with and without the yellow TOLL banner) as well as those weird ones on US 27. So theoretically there are EIGHT different styles of shield that tell the driver it's a TOLL road.

Here's the FHWA response letter:
https://ceprofs.civil.tamu.edu/ghawkins/MTC-Files/2011-01_Meeting/FDOT-Def%20of%20Std_Option%20Ln%20Signing_Pvmt%20Mkgs_TOLL%20Marker%20%28CTS%20101025-011-2004%29-REPLY.pdf

I have been able to find absolutely nothing about the yellow-bannered toll shields. Even the FTE design guide (which has the Turnpike shield with the yellow banner) doesn't include them. I think we've noticed they're only using them for directional signs leading onto the road, not for reassurance markers on the road itself, but it would be nice to get confirmation.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 10:10:39 PM
Thanks, realjd. Seems like the FHWA is being pretty cooperative here.

I have noticed FDOT and FTE are using the yellow banner for trailblazers/directionals almost exclusively. I have seen the yellow banner shield on a BGS on a pullthrough for SR 874, so there's at least one use where the own road's shield does have a yellow banner once you're already on the road. Most others I've seen are trailblazers for other roads only - then again, the ones in the Miami area were probably newly-made due to the Toll-by-Plate requirement.

It would be interesting to see what happens with the SR 408 / SR 417 interchange reconstruction, if they decide to make new signs, if they will include the yellow toll banner. May as well be consistent, right?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 10:18:51 PM
So apparently a new ramp was constructed from Orange CR 437A to SR 429 in the Orlando area. The ramp's been open as of 8 September according to this press release (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/news/PressReleases.aspx?ID=140).

Does anyone have any details or pictures of this new ramp? I'm wondering if it enters onto SR 429 north of its SR 414 exit to more easily facilitate access to 414. I'll try to get pictures and details myself when I'm in that area in October.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 28, 2011, 10:53:46 PM
So apparently a new ramp was constructed from Orange CR 437A to SR 429 in the Orlando area. The ramp's been open as of 8 September according to this press release (http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/news/PressReleases.aspx?ID=140).

Does anyone have any details or pictures of this new ramp? I'm wondering if it enters onto SR 429 north of its SR 414 exit to more easily facilitate access to 414. I'll try to get pictures and details myself when I'm in that area in October.
It's south of the old one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.63365&lon=-81.54145&zoom=16&layers=M
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on September 28, 2011, 11:08:03 PM
The "18-mile stretch" of the Overseas Highway (US 1) reconstruction has been completed.  The Belize Blue Jersey barriers are a special Conch Republic touch.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/09/28/construction-wraps-on-18-mile-stretch-improvements/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 11:20:05 PM
It's south of the old one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.63365&lon=-81.54145&zoom=16&layers=M

Ah, that's where it is. Thanks for the info, NE2. So much for having access to SR 414 be easier... unless the big new interchange will eventually make it easier. I'll still try to grab some pics when I'm down in October.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on September 28, 2011, 11:28:28 PM
The "18-mile stretch" of the Overseas Highway (US 1) reconstruction has been completed.  The Belize Blue Jersey barriers are a special Conch Republic touch.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/09/28/construction-wraps-on-18-mile-stretch-improvements/


Excellent! That construction was nasty. I'm driving down there in a few weeks so it finished just in time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 28, 2011, 11:49:47 PM
The "18-mile stretch" of the Overseas Highway (US 1) reconstruction has been completed.  The Belize Blue Jersey barriers are a special Conch Republic touch.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/09/28/construction-wraps-on-18-mile-stretch-improvements/

I'm glad it's finished, as well. The drive down there wasn't too bad, but it'll be nice to not have construction and a 55 mph speed limit (if memory serves me correctly).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 29, 2011, 12:12:14 PM
So much for having access to SR 414 be easier... unless the big new interchange will eventually make it easier. I'll still try to grab some pics when I'm down in October.
You'll be able to enter SR 429 north at the new interchange, and then take the ramp to SR 414 east.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 29, 2011, 01:12:24 PM
So much for having access to SR 414 be easier... unless the big new interchange will eventually make it easier. I'll still try to grab some pics when I'm down in October.
You'll be able to enter SR 429 north at the new interchange, and then take the ramp to SR 414 east.

I meant entering SR 414 East from SR 429 South ... if the ramp were north of the SR 414 interchange, leading southbound, that would make access to SR 414 easier. Right now the only access to SR 414 East from SR 429 South is via US 441 - though I'm sure once one is driving south on CR 437A, they missed the opportunity to enter from the north anyway. The next full interchange (likely with ramp tolls) should provide access to SR 429 North and South, with access to SR 414 from SR 429 North.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on September 29, 2011, 01:47:03 PM
The "18-mile stretch" of the Overseas Highway (US 1) reconstruction has been completed.  The Belize Blue Jersey barriers are a special Conch Republic touch.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/09/28/construction-wraps-on-18-mile-stretch-improvements/


I think it should have been 4 lanes to match the road to the north and south. Development in the keys is limited by lack of land and a 18 mile stretch of 4 lane hwy would not make any more land magically appear.  Its a pain in the a** to have a2 lane road when you are stuck behind a 75 y/o pulling a Cadillac behind a motor home at 45 MPH.

Card Sound Road has never had much traffic on it when I have been to the keys
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 29, 2011, 02:38:59 PM
So much for having access to SR 414 be easier... unless the big new interchange will eventually make it easier. I'll still try to grab some pics when I'm down in October.
You'll be able to enter SR 429 north at the new interchange, and then take the ramp to SR 414 east.

I meant entering SR 414 East from SR 429 South ... if the ramp were north of the SR 414 interchange, leading southbound, that would make access to SR 414 easier. Right now the only access to SR 414 East from SR 429 South is via US 441 - though I'm sure once one is driving south on CR 437A, they missed the opportunity to enter from the north anyway. The next full interchange (likely with ramp tolls) should provide access to SR 429 North and South, with access to SR 414 from SR 429 North.

I'm not sure exactly which movement you're talking about. Currently, unless something has been closed, there's direct access between CR 437A and SR 414, direct access between future SR 451 and SR 414, and indirect access between Ocoee-bound SR 429 and SR 414 by using CR 437A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Lyle on September 29, 2011, 03:22:36 PM

I think it should have been 4 lanes to match the road to the north and south. Development in the keys is limited by lack of land and a 18 mile stretch of 4 lane hwy would not make any more land magically appear.  Its a pain in the a** to have a2 lane road when you are stuck behind a 75 y/o pulling a Cadillac behind a motor home at 45 MPH.


I agree completely. It definitely should have two lanes in each direction the whole way.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 29, 2011, 04:26:37 PM
I'm not sure exactly which movement you're talking about. Currently, unless something has been closed, there's direct access between CR 437A and SR 414, direct access between future SR 451 and SR 414, and indirect access between Ocoee-bound SR 429 and SR 414 by using CR 437A.

You're absolutely right! I forgot about that at-grade intersection at SR 414's now western terminus. Oops.

Just the existing ramp from CR 437A to SR 429 South has just been closed and a new one involving the same movements opened just a little further south of the one that was closed. I was thinking a new one should've been placed further north of SR 414, because that at-grade intersection there right now obviously won't be there if they're planning a full interchange.

I poked around OOCEA's site and couldn't find details on just the work being done on the 414/429 interchange, though construction looks like it's in full swing. I guess we'll see in time.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 29, 2011, 04:38:30 PM
I poked around OOCEA's site and couldn't find details on just the work being done on the 414/429 interchange, though construction looks like it's in full swing. I guess we'll see in time.
http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR429/assets/SR429SR414interchange.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on September 29, 2011, 05:19:13 PM
YES! That's what I'm looking for. Thanks for the link. I originally saw the plans for the extension, and that didn't have much detail for the interchange in question. The PDF you linked me to shows this detail perfectly. I appreciate it!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Lyle on October 04, 2011, 06:00:57 PM
Major improvements coming to I-95 in Boca Raton

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_s_palm_beach_county/boca_raton/major-improvements-coming-to-i-95-in-boca-raton (http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_s_palm_beach_county/boca_raton/major-improvements-coming-to-i-95-in-boca-raton)

I-95 in Boca Raton, Florida, is scheduled to be widened to 10 lanes, and a new interchange is scheduled to be constructed to serve Florida Atlantic University directly from the north.

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Highway expanding to 10 lanes

BOCA RATON, Fla. - Interstate 95 in Boca Raton is getting a major makeover in the next five years.

A new interchange to serve Florida Atlantic University is coming sooner than expected.

Plus, the Florida Department of Transportation plans to widen the highway from eight to 10 lanes through most of the city, with construction starting in 2016.

"This is just fabulous," Deputy Mayor Susan Haynie said. "Good news for Boca."

Construction on the Spanish River Boulevard interchange is slated to start in 2013, two years earlier than planned.

The new interchange, to be located about midway between the Spanish River overpass and Yamato Road, will carry FAU traffic directly to the campus.

FAU traffic has long caused backups on Glades Road and I-95. But construction of the Spanish River interchange became paramount as the university built its 30,000-seat football stadium.

The stadium will open Oct. 15.

Last year, FDOT said construction on the interchange would start in 2015. But the state was able to move the project up as other projects have come in under budget.

"We're accelerating as quickly as we can," said Ron Wallace, an FDOT project manager. "It should help alleviate a lot of congestion, especially at the Yamato Road and Glades Road interchanges."

It should take about two years to build the $77 million interchange.

And soon after, the widening should start. FDOT plans to add an extra lane in each direction from just south of Glades Road to Linton Boulevard. Those projects will cost about $51 million.

That stretch of highway has become a bottleneck as much of Palm Beach County to the north has been widened to 10 lanes.

"It's like a missing link," said Randy Whitfield, executive director of the Palm Beach Metropolitan Planning Organization. "That's been one of our top priorities for a number of years."

The additional lanes could end up being express lanes. Wallace said the state transportation department is re-examining the widening projects to see if the additional lanes should be built as express lanes.

State transportation officials consider the express lanes in Miami successful, and are expanding the lanes to Broward County.

All this highway construction in Boca Raton is a complete turnaround from years past. In recent years, transportation officials were projecting no I-95 improvements in the city until 2025.

But as construction costs have decreased in the weak economy, the state transportation department has been able to advance more projects that have been waiting on the sidelines for money to become available.

Haynie is sure that's why Boca Raton now is reaping the benefits, even as it's waited for years for improvements.

"Glades Road is the most congested in the county," she said. "We needed the improvements a couple of years ago."

Copyright © 2011, South Florida Sun-Sentinel

I say this is good news. I am currently a graduate student at Florida Atlantic University, and there is always a lot of traffic in the area. Also, I-95 currently goes down from five lanes in each direction to four at the Congress Avenue exit (Exit 50) in Boca Raton and goes back to five at Commercial Boulevard (Exit 32) in Fort Lauderdale. This causes heavy traffic in the area. I know it is that way mostly for historical reasons rather than for practical reasons, but I am still glad I-95 will be widened.

- Lyle
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 04, 2011, 09:14:09 PM
Slightly off-topic question...what is a "popcorn shield"? I found a few references to it in other threads for Florida State Road signs, but can't find one linking to a picture of one. I take it that it's an ugly FL shield, but now I'm curious.

They are signs indigenous to Escambia, Santa Rosa and Okaloosa Counties. I don't know why District 3 allows them, but they're horrible.

https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida090/us-090_eb_app_fl-742.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 04, 2011, 11:49:48 PM
Slightly off-topic question...what is a "popcorn shield"? I found a few references to it in other threads for Florida State Road signs, but can't find one linking to a picture of one. I take it that it's an ugly FL shield, but now I'm curious.

They are signs indigenous to Escambia, Santa Rosa and Okaloosa Counties. I don't know why District 3 allows them, but they're horrible.

https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida090/us-090_eb_app_fl-742.jpg


Have you written them to ask? Those are hideous!

EDIT: fixed mangled quote
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: codyg1985 on October 05, 2011, 07:58:51 AM
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Interesting because there have been Begin/End SR 3 shields at the KSC border for a while.

They finally got around to adding Begin/End SR 405 shields about a year ago.  Was very surprised that they got around to it.

Awesome! Are they located at the pavement change? Will have to get some photos soon.

Yes, right at the border with KSC and the Astronaut Hall of Fame.

Here is an assembly inside of KSC that says TO FL 405 and TO US 1:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=kennedy+space+center,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.525831,-80.664153&spn=0.030127,0.038581&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=54.928982,79.013672&vpsrc=6&hq=kennedy+space+center,&hnear=Florida&t=h&fll=28.520929,-80.665741&fspn=0.030128,0.038581&z=15&layer=c&cbll=28.52571,-80.664172&panoid=y0mSJ-igVBu5W5XC3O51ng&cbp=12,8.81,,0,6.81

Interesting that those signs don't appear to have stickers on the back like other FDOT-installed signs, so these may have been installed by the KSC Facilities Office.

Yay, my hobby intersects my job (sort of).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on October 05, 2011, 09:38:38 AM
They probably were installed by KSC's Facilities Office-there's a few more of them on KSC also, both on the NASA Causeway and Space Commerce Way.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 12:15:56 PM
I've always wondered how Google got permission to do StreetView on KSC property. Just like on a military base, you'd think they wouldn't allow it due to security concerns or something.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 05, 2011, 12:45:02 PM
Have you written them to ask? Those are hideous!

They are signs indigenous to Escambia, Santa Rosa and Okaloosa Counties. I don't know why District 3 allows them, but they're horrible.

https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida090/us-090_eb_app_fl-742.jpg


Okay, thanks. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I think I've seen that awkward design in a few places in the South Florida/Treasure Coast.

I've never liked the wider "standalone" state road shields, except on BGS. But they seem to be the de facto standard for almost all 3-digit State Roads in the past decade.

I'm getting nostalgic for the square 1982-spec shields, since Keys Shields are nearly all gone in South Florida.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6046/6214282569_7da371a6f4_b.jpg)
SR 814 East (http://www.flickr.com/photos/formulanone/6214282569/in/photostream) by formulanone at Flickr
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 05, 2011, 12:48:21 PM
the "1982 spec" shield has been around as early as April 1977.  there is, indeed, a very brief overlap of that style of shield with "S-" prefix for state secondary routes, which were downgraded in October 1977.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on October 05, 2011, 01:52:18 PM
Gene asked me to pass along this question:
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Did they always have the do not stop blinking amber lights at the disney entrance arches?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 02:47:55 PM
Gene asked me to pass along this question:
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Did they always have the do not stop blinking amber lights at the disney entrance arches?

I had to go look at Google StreetView to see what he was talking about. I don't recall seeing those before. Not to say they weren't there necessarily, but I don't remember them.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 03:34:55 PM
As a cast member, I've driven onto property many more times than I can count. The flashing lights were installed at the SR 536 / Epcot Center Dr entrance either in 2009 or 2010 if I remember correctly. There were signs in the past (with no flashing lights) that said No Stopping - Strictly Enforced as well as Emergency Stopping Only, and those are still there. The flashing lights were just added on top of them.

The entrance from Western Way (just off of SR 429 Exit 8 ) had flashing lights added too around this same timeframe. They had the signs as well.

I believe signs also exist at the World Dr and Osceola Pkwy entrances, but I'm not too sure about the flashing lights.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: J N Winkler on October 05, 2011, 03:51:35 PM
I've always wondered how Google got permission to do StreetView on KSC property. Just like on a military base, you'd think they wouldn't allow it due to security concerns or something.

It was probably arranged through the public affairs office, which probably also detailed someone to ride in the camera car.  When I worked at Goddard Space Flight Center it was perfectly possible for members of the general public to take tours but casual visitors had to enter at the main entrance on Greenbelt Road (not through, e.g., the employees-only entrance which has its own exit off the Baltimore-Washington Parkway) and wait for someone to show them around.  At other entrances there is a badge check and everyone in a car seeking entry has to show a badge.

Military bases work a little differently.  In my experience they control by the vehicle, not the occupant.  If you are regularly on a military base (e.g. as a soldier, a civilian DOD employee, or a retiree with commissary privileges), then you can get a windshield sticker which allows you to drive on the base.  The basic sticker has the DOD seal and a six-character code (three letters and three digits).  Officers (both serving and retired) also get a blue sticker with their rank insignia in white--eagle for a full colonel, star for a brigadier general, and so on.

For civilians without a DOD connection entry is not so straightforward, but bases in general are not as buttoned-down now as they were in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.  When I visited Fort Huachuca in Arizona about eighteen months ago, I was in a borrowed car and had to stop just outside the base entrance to obtain a vehicle permit.  To do this I had to show both my driver's license and the vehicle registration.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 05, 2011, 05:27:51 PM
I believe signs also exist at the World Dr and Osceola Pkwy entrances, but I'm not too sure about the flashing lights.

Yes, the flashing lights are also there. We visit Disney World roughly 3-4 times a year, and we usually take the Oceola Parkway, and World Drive on occassion. In all my visits over the years, only once have I seen a family get out of their car and pose by the entrance sign. My guess is that Disney's crack legal squad suggested it, since its their roads on thier property.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 05:40:32 PM
Yes, the flashing lights are also there. We visit Disney World roughly 3-4 times a year, and we usually take the Oceola Parkway, and World Drive on occassion. In all my visits over the years, only once have I seen a family get out of their car and pose by the entrance sign. My guess is that Disney's crack legal squad suggested it, since its their roads on thier property.

As far as the stopping restrictions, it's a tough call. All entrances are pretty much expressway-grade, if not freeway-grade, but I doubt there's any real legislation on the books for limiting who can stop on the shoulder and under what circumstances. I believe the roads are technically owned by the Reedy Creek Improvement District, a local government agency, and not actually privately-owned by Disney. But of course, especially working there, Disney tries to dish out lots of rules that have little to no legal backing, so I doubt they'd actually press charges if one were to stop near the welcome sign.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 06:29:01 PM
Yes, the flashing lights are also there. We visit Disney World roughly 3-4 times a year, and we usually take the Oceola Parkway, and World Drive on occassion. In all my visits over the years, only once have I seen a family get out of their car and pose by the entrance sign. My guess is that Disney's crack legal squad suggested it, since its their roads on thier property.

As far as the stopping restrictions, it's a tough call. All entrances are pretty much expressway-grade, if not freeway-grade, but I doubt there's any real legislation on the books for limiting who can stop on the shoulder and under what circumstances. I believe the roads are technically owned by the Reedy Creek Improvement District, a local government agency, and not actually privately-owned by Disney. But of course, especially working there, Disney tries to dish out lots of rules that have little to no legal backing, so I doubt they'd actually press charges if one were to stop near the welcome sign.

How's the speed enforcement there? Ive heard rumors of FHP clocking folks on the wide, too-slow Disney freeways, but I can't imagine Disney would be very happy about that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 06:32:56 PM
As far as the stopping restrictions, it's a tough call. All entrances are pretty much expressway-grade, if not freeway-grade, but I doubt there's any real legislation on the books for limiting who can stop on the shoulder and under what circumstances. I believe the roads are technically owned by the Reedy Creek Improvement District, a local government agency, and not actually privately-owned by Disney. But of course, especially working there, Disney tries to dish out lots of rules that have little to no legal backing, so I doubt they'd actually press charges if one were to stop near the welcome sign.
Local government agencies post signs prohibiting stopping/standing/parking all the time. Why would RCID be any different?

How's the speed enforcement there? Ive heard rumors of FHP clocking folks on the wide, too-slow Disney freeways, but I can't imagine Disney would be very happy about that.
If Disney had a problem with it they would raise the speed limits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 06:35:34 PM
I've always wondered how Google got permission to do StreetView on KSC property. Just like on a military base, you'd think they wouldn't allow it due to security concerns or something.

It was probably arranged through the public affairs office, which probably also detailed someone to ride in the camera car.  When I worked at Goddard Space Flight Center it was perfectly possible for members of the general public to take tours but casual visitors had to enter at the main entrance on Greenbelt Road (not through, e.g., the employees-only entrance which has its own exit off the Baltimore-Washington Parkway) and wait for someone to show them around.  At other entrances there is a badge check and everyone in a car seeking entry has to show a badge.

Military bases work a little differently.  In my experience they control by the vehicle, not the occupant.  If you are regularly on a military base (e.g. as a soldier, a civilian DOD employee, or a retiree with commissary privileges), then you can get a windshield sticker which allows you to drive on the base.  The basic sticker has the DOD seal and a six-character code (three letters and three digits).  Officers (both serving and retired) also get a blue sticker with their rank insignia in white--eagle for a full colonel, star for a brigadier general, and so on.

For civilians without a DOD connection entry is not so straightforward, but bases in general are not as buttoned-down now as they were in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.  When I visited Fort Huachuca in Arizona about eighteen months ago, I was in a borrowed car and had to stop just outside the base entrance to obtain a vehicle permit.  To do this I had to show both my driver's license and the vehicle registration.

Military bases have been doing 100% ID checks since 9/11. The Air Force doesn't even issue vehicle passes anymore; they issue guest passes per person. In my experience as a civilian, getting onto a normal Army post is still straightforward with just a DL needed, plus a vehicle guest pass depending on the time of day and the post (but often not required). It's very different than it used to be.

I don't think KSC lets people in without a cape badge anymore, even escorted, but I'm not completely positive on that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 06:42:59 PM
How's the speed enforcement there? Ive heard rumors of FHP clocking folks on the wide, too-slow Disney freeways, but I can't imagine Disney would be very happy about that.

I've seen OSCO (Orange County Sheriff's Office, but never FHP) out there on occasion, almost always at the SR 536 / Epcot Center Dr entrance. I've seen maybe one or two cars pulled over from all the times I've driven onto property. Max speed limit on Disney property is 50, but the speed is higher once on SR 536 (55 mph there). I frequently go 60 and even as fast as 70, but I do realize why the speed limit is lower: almost no one knows where they're going! And Disney isn't the best at signing destinations or directions.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 06:44:34 PM
Local government agencies post signs prohibiting stopping/standing/parking all the time. Why would RCID be any different?

Disney / RCID has the right to post whatever sign it wants (within reason), but since Disney nor RCID has a police force, I don't know how willing OSCO would be to cite people for stopping when a sign specifically told them not to.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 06:50:40 PM
The Google van was turned around at the NASA Parkway gate (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.526057,-80.670719&spn=0.033709,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.52606,-80.670547&panoid=dnN9pcbielIIm-ynYEhjYA&cbp=12,82.41,,0,12.47) but, for whatever reason, allowed to continue through on Kennedy Parkway. It seems that they went to the end of Saturn Causeway (one would assume they had an area permit to pass here (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.597183,-80.616903&spn=0.033686,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=k&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.597138,-80.617015&panoid=nscMNbsInMJPxscZY7GZqg&cbp=12,46.99,,0,9.09)) and turned around (based on photos from both sides of the centerline) but perhaps only southbound on what Google calls Crawlerway.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 06:51:52 PM
Disney / RCID has the right to post whatever sign it wants (within reason), but since Disney nor RCID has a police force, I don't know how willing OSCO would be to cite people for stopping when a sign specifically told them not to.
Presumably the contract with OCSO covers this.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: J N Winkler on October 05, 2011, 06:55:55 PM
Military bases have been doing 100% ID checks since 9/11. The Air Force doesn't even issue vehicle passes anymore; they issue guest passes per person.

At least they let civilians onto air bases now--when I tried to visit the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs in 2003, I was politely refused entry.

P.S.  I just checked and there is no StreetView coverage at all within the GSFC campus--coverage continues all the way up to the guard booths and then stops.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 07:57:45 PM
Presumably the contract with OCSO covers this.

Probably. I keep meaning to visit the RCID building on Hotel Plaza Blvd to see where RCID's property lines end and Disney's begin. It would be good to know who has actual jurisdiction over the roads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 08:36:20 PM
Probably. I keep meaning to visit the RCID building on Hotel Plaza Blvd to see where RCID's property lines end and Disney's begin. It would be good to know who has actual jurisdiction over the roads.
Don't bother; they'll charge you for the time it takes to do the research. http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap1/default.aspx (Orange) and http://ira.property-appraiser.org/PropertySearch/ (Osceola) do a good job of showing who owns what.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 08:43:44 PM
Don't bother; they'll charge you for the time it takes to do the research. http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap1/default.aspx (Orange) and http://ira.property-appraiser.org/PropertySearch/ (Osceola) do a good job of showing who owns what.

Hmmmm, interesting. Thanks for the links. I found a map of the lines somewhere but I have no idea where to find it now.

Quick off-topic question: Do Departments of Transportation normally charge for records requests like these? Like, for instance, to find maps of old alignments of routes. I see others mention that they go to DOTs to do the research, and I'm curious if the DOT charges for access to that information or not.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 05, 2011, 08:47:50 PM
At least they let civilians onto air bases now--when I tried to visit the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs in 2003, I was politely refused entry.

Most of my experience has been with Keesler AFB in Biloxi, MS. I'd always stop and have my ID checked (I am (was) a military dependent). My vehicle never had a sticker, but I do remember my parents' vehicles having stickers, though they did fall out of use.

The only other AFB I visited was Patrick near Cocoa Beach. Same procedure - though I was the passenger, and the driver had no military affiliation. Technically we were both civilians, even though I had a dependent military ID card.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on October 05, 2011, 09:02:15 PM
On KSC you don't get past the Visitor Center on the NASA Causeway without a badge.  If you need to get on you have to go to the Badging Center and get a temporary badge-and you still have to be vouched for by someone there.

When I worked there, if you forgot your badge you had to go to the Badging Center and get a temporary badge that was good for one day, technically known as a 'machine pass"...on my job we would refer to you as a "robot" if you showed up with one...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 09:13:35 PM
Hmmmm, interesting. Thanks for the links. I found a map of the lines somewhere but I have no idea where to find it now.
http://www.rcid.org/PDF/political%20jurisdiction%20map.base05_11.pdf also shows who owns what.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: J N Winkler on October 05, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
Quick off-topic question: Do Departments of Transportation normally charge for records requests like these? Like, for instance, to find maps of old alignments of routes. I see others mention that they go to DOTs to do the research, and I'm curious if the DOT charges for access to that information or not.

It varies from DOT to DOT.  Typically the access a member of the general public gets is either a matter of courtesy or is granted under the state open-records statute.  Most open-records laws allow, but do not require, cost recovery, and this gives DOTs considerable latitude in developing their own policies with regard to charging for access to records.  In my experience "Don't push your luck and you probably won't have to pay" holds true for a good many DOTs, but there are a few which are positively nasty--"We will need to look up these records, and you're going to have to pay us $X per hour," then, "If you want to look at these records, you're going to have to pay $Y an hour for a member of staff to supervise you," etc.

This said, a few general observations can be made:

*  If you want to inspect documents in person and they are relatively easy to retrieve, normally a charge won't be made.  It is courteous to ask for permission before taking digital camera copies of originals (unless posted policies say explicitly that it is allowed); I would be very surprised if it were ever refused.

*  If you want copies, you can expect to pay for paper copies at whatever the DOT considers to be its standard reprographic rates (this is true for, e.g., copies of old county maps made from Mylar originals, which I got at NMDOT a number of years ago).

*  If the document you want has been scanned or otherwise exists electronically, you may have to pay for a CD or DVD copy if the DOT has to supply the optical media.  You may be able to avoid this if you supply the media yourself, or if it is possible to transfer the data online (e.g. through FTP upload, an in-house file-hosting service, or even email if the document is small enough).

In terms of supports, at a DOT you can expect to find records on ordinary paper, drafting linen, various types of blueprint/whiteprint paper, Mylar, and microfilm (reels, sheets, aperture cards, etc.).  Some (almost certainly not all) of these will have been scanned at one time or another, producing images in varying formats, with TIFF and JPEG (in that order) being the most popular, and PDF widely and increasingly used as a container format.  XPS is also starting to appear but has not yet broken through.  For records "born digital" (created in a CAD or office productivity program), source files and PDF plots or prints may also be available.

The basic procedure is to identify the type of record you are interested in and then talk with the custodian for those records to determine what is feasible in terms of copying, scanning, inspection in person, etc.  If the records you are interested in are especially old, like route maps of state highways designated in the 1920's, you will also need to look at the DOT's and the state government's records retention policy.  Most states require that records over a certain age which are no longer in current use be turned over to a state archives agency, where they are kept and made available to researchers in a publicly accessible reading room.  DOTs tend to guard their construction plans jealously since in principle a 1910's bridge plan can be pulled out for a rehab job in 2011, but most of the planning and policy documentation tends to be shipped off to archives.

Some state DOTs are starting to make certain records available online through document management systems with Web interfaces.  MnDOT does this with survey maps and construction plans, and GDOT does it with construction plans.  This is not something that has broken through yet, however, partly because the systems that have so far been tried have not scaled very well.  Other state DOTs have "here today, gone tomorrow" models of document provision--for example, Alabama DOT puts highway construction plans online up until the date of letting, after which they vanish and then you pay $3/sheet if you want extracts of anything.  Personally I try to do what I can online, generally by mining the document management systems I have access to and also making damn sure I have my own private archive of the fly-by-night material.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 05, 2011, 10:14:10 PM
but there are a few which are positively nasty--"We will need to look up these records, and you're going to have to pay us $X per hour," then, "If you want to look at these records, you're going to have to pay $Y an hour for a member of staff to supervise you," etc.
Yep - this is what RCID told me when I wanted to get copies of their ordinances.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 11:07:21 PM
The Google van was turned around at the NASA Parkway gate (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.526057,-80.670719&spn=0.033709,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.52606,-80.670547&panoid=dnN9pcbielIIm-ynYEhjYA&cbp=12,82.41,,0,12.47) but, for whatever reason, allowed to continue through on Kennedy Parkway. It seems that they went to the end of Saturn Causeway (one would assume they had an area permit to pass here (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.597183,-80.616903&spn=0.033686,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=k&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.597138,-80.617015&panoid=nscMNbsInMJPxscZY7GZqg&cbp=12,46.99,,0,9.09)) and turned around (based on photos from both sides of the centerline) but perhaps only southbound on what Google calls Crawlerway.

They couldn't go too far east because it becomes Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. It's a shame because I'd love to see some of those roads by the abandoned pads. I need to break down and take the pay tour at the KSC visitor center of the historic pads.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 05, 2011, 11:12:33 PM
How's the speed enforcement there? Ive heard rumors of FHP clocking folks on the wide, too-slow Disney freeways, but I can't imagine Disney would be very happy about that.

I've seen OSCO (Orange County Sheriff's Office, but never FHP) out there on occasion, almost always at the SR 536 / Epcot Center Dr entrance. I've seen maybe one or two cars pulled over from all the times I've driven onto property. Max speed limit on Disney property is 50, but the speed is higher once on SR 536 (55 mph there). I frequently go 60 and even as fast as 70, but I do realize why the speed limit is lower: almost no one knows where they're going! And Disney isn't the best at signing destinations or directions.

It's always frustrating how slow people drive there, even if I do understand why. And I'll admit it's one of the few places where I end up driving like a dick, weaving through the sea of rental cars and out of state minivans.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: codyg1985 on October 06, 2011, 07:29:01 AM
I've always wondered how Google got permission to do StreetView on KSC property. Just like on a military base, you'd think they wouldn't allow it due to security concerns or something.

It was probably arranged through the public affairs office, which probably also detailed someone to ride in the camera car.  When I worked at Goddard Space Flight Center it was perfectly possible for members of the general public to take tours but casual visitors had to enter at the main entrance on Greenbelt Road (not through, e.g., the employees-only entrance which has its own exit off the Baltimore-Washington Parkway) and wait for someone to show them around.  At other entrances there is a badge check and everyone in a car seeking entry has to show a badge.

Military bases work a little differently.  In my experience they control by the vehicle, not the occupant.  If you are regularly on a military base (e.g. as a soldier, a civilian DOD employee, or a retiree with commissary privileges), then you can get a windshield sticker which allows you to drive on the base.  The basic sticker has the DOD seal and a six-character code (three letters and three digits).  Officers (both serving and retired) also get a blue sticker with their rank insignia in white--eagle for a full colonel, star for a brigadier general, and so on.

For civilians without a DOD connection entry is not so straightforward, but bases in general are not as buttoned-down now as they were in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.  When I visited Fort Huachuca in Arizona about eighteen months ago, I was in a borrowed car and had to stop just outside the base entrance to obtain a vehicle permit.  To do this I had to show both my driver's license and the vehicle registration.

The decal requirement is being waived in lieu of badges for DoD installations (at least here on Redstone Arsenal here in Huntsville). NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center is entirely within the Army's Redstone Arsenal, so security and access onto MSFC is governed by DoD. There isn't any Google Street View on Redstone or MSFC.

The Google van was turned around at the NASA Parkway gate (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.526057,-80.670719&spn=0.033709,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=m&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.52606,-80.670547&panoid=dnN9pcbielIIm-ynYEhjYA&cbp=12,82.41,,0,12.47) but, for whatever reason, allowed to continue through on Kennedy Parkway. It seems that they went to the end of Saturn Causeway (one would assume they had an area permit to pass here (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=cocoa,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.597183,-80.616903&spn=0.033686,0.082397&hnear=Cocoa,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=k&z=15&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.597138,-80.617015&panoid=nscMNbsInMJPxscZY7GZqg&cbp=12,46.99,,0,9.09)) and turned around (based on photos from both sides of the centerline) but perhaps only southbound on what Google calls Crawlerway.

They couldn't go too far east because it becomes Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. It's a shame because I'd love to see some of those roads by the abandoned pads. I need to break down and take the pay tour at the KSC visitor center of the historic pads.

I think if you gain access to KSC with a regular NASA badge then you can drive onto the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. There isn't a gate separating the two. I assume that if you get a badge at the KSC Badging Center then you could get onto the air force station.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 06, 2011, 07:43:49 AM
I think if you gain access to KSC with a regular NASA badge then you can drive onto the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. There isn't a gate separating the two. I assume that if you get a badge at the KSC Badging Center then you could get onto the air force station.

No gate doesn't necessarily mean access isn't restricted. There are many places on Air Force bases where you can drive right onto the flight line, but they tend to frown on that. They will often just restrict it with a sign. Regardless, as an active Air Force installation, I'm not surprised that Google didn't get permission to film on CCAFS land.

I've been to Redstone. For obvious reasons, it has one of the more restrictive access policies I've encountered.

Still, that place looks awesome:
http://www.16streets.com/MacLaren/Travel%20and%20Surfing/CapeCanaveralAugust2010/AbandonInPlaceContents.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: codyg1985 on October 06, 2011, 08:04:32 AM
I think if you gain access to KSC with a regular NASA badge then you can drive onto the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. There isn't a gate separating the two. I assume that if you get a badge at the KSC Badging Center then you could get onto the air force station.

No gate doesn't necessarily mean access isn't restricted. There are many places on Air Force bases where you can drive right onto the flight line, but they tend to frown on that. They will often just restrict it with a sign. Regardless, as an active Air Force installation, I'm not surprised that Google didn't get permission to film on CCAFS land.

I've been to Redstone. For obvious reasons, it has one of the more restrictive access policies I've encountered.

Still, that place looks awesome:
http://www.16streets.com/MacLaren/Travel%20and%20Surfing/CapeCanaveralAugust2010/AbandonInPlaceContents.html

One time when I had a training class at KSC and we stayed in Cocoa Beach it was more convenient to drive through CCAFS to get to Cocoa Beach via FL 401. This route took us right through the center of CCAFS.

It is surprising to me that KSC allowed the Google Maps people to get street view leading up to the pads. Even if you have a badge to get onto a NASA center access to the roads leading to the pads are limited. They probably had an escort.

Apparently they even allowed them close to the pad when a shuttle was on the pad! http://maps.google.com/?ll=28.604203,-80.60397&spn=0.015127,0.01929&t=h&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.604203,-80.60397&panoid=9MlssYBqGKhghrT4c29jdg&cbp=12,16.12,,0,3.1
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on October 06, 2011, 09:13:58 AM
Thanks NE2 and JN for all that useful information. Greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on October 06, 2011, 12:50:31 PM
Quote
I think if you gain access to KSC with a regular NASA badge then you can drive onto the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station. There isn't a gate separating the two. I assume that if you get a badge at the KSC Badging Center then you could get onto the air force station.

Yes, you can.  I've done it more than a few times.  Most of the areas inside CCAFS also have their own security around certain areas (pads 17/40/41, Titan Assembly, etc.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on October 07, 2011, 05:53:02 AM
Has anybody heard anything about US-90 Alt being extended along Atlantic Blvd (FL-10) in Jacksonville all the way over to FL-A1A? :hmmm:

I just downloaded the most recent GIS data from FDOT (10-01-11), and they showed it extended all the way to A1A and back to US-90 and extended farther South.

I'm thinking this is an error, but just wanted to put this out there in case it's true.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 07, 2011, 11:03:15 AM
The button copy BGS for Yamato Road on I-95 north has been replaced with a new one. All they needed to do was to patch the faded state route shield, but they took the more expensive way out...double-plus uncool.

Edit: here's the photo.

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/YamatoBGSnoBC.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on October 07, 2011, 11:49:07 AM
Has anybody heard anything about US-90 Alt being extended along Atlantic Blvd (FL-10) in Jacksonville all the way over to FL-A1A? :hmmm:

I just downloaded the most recent GIS data from FDOT (10-01-11), and they showed it extended all the way to A1A and back to US-90 and extended farther South.

I'm thinking this is an error, but just wanted to put this out there in case it's true.

It is not signed that way... ALT 90 is inconsistently signed from along Southside Blvd and Atlantic Blvd(SR 10) but not east of SR115 on Atlantic Blvd.. some maps have ALT 90 along the Arlington Expressway over the Matthews Bridge into downtown Jax... and there are random signs at different locations supporting this.

Fixed quote. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4000.0) - rmf67
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 07, 2011, 05:01:04 PM
It is not signed that way... ALT 90 is inconsistently signed from along Southside Blvd and Atlantic Blvd(SR 10) but not east of SR115 on Atlantic Blvd.. some maps have ALT 90 along the Arlington Expressway over the Matthews Bridge into downtown Jax... and there are random signs at different locations supporting this.
Has signage become inconsistent in recent years? I remember it being signed consistently along SR 10 and SR 115, with both ends at US 90 (SR 212).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 07, 2011, 05:30:57 PM
I was on SR 10 a couple times back in July;  from 9A to A1A, it was strictly signed as SR 10.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on October 10, 2011, 01:07:39 PM
I was on SR 10 a couple times back in July;  from 9A to A1A, it was strictly signed as SR 10.
  90ALT was signed on Atlantic and Soutside Blvds... at the itnersections its signed but not on the main part of Soutside Blvd( SR 115)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 10, 2011, 09:00:57 PM
I was on SR 10 a couple times back in July;  from 9A to A1A, it was strictly signed as SR 10.
  90ALT was signed on Atlantic and Soutside Blvds... at the itnersections its signed but not on the main part of Soutside Blvd( SR 115)
Has this sign (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=jacksonville,+fl&hl=en&ll=30.315437,-81.55889&spn=0.00414,0.0103&sll=42.157033,-71.730895&sspn=0.00711,0.020599&vpsrc=6&gl=us&hnear=Jacksonville,+Duval,+Florida&t=k&z=18&layer=c&cbll=30.315742,-81.558888&panoid=MKXQNMj-MfhPMzGPG-q8KA&cbp=12,186.8,,1,3) been removed?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 11, 2011, 01:17:48 AM
Some photos from a recent trip to Lake Placid and thereabouts...(maybe you've seen some of these before).

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/YamConLinExits.jpg)

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/LinAtlWoolExits-BCi95n.jpg)

Got off at Gateway Boulevard and took this one from the ramp:
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/HypoluxoLantnaS6AveExits.jpg)

The gantry offered a nice bit of symmetry:
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/GatewayBlvdGantry.jpg)

...Louder!
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/SR710bold.jpg)

An odd, one-piece county road sign. (Medium Green Sign?)
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/CR609southSign.jpg)

Cracker Trail:
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/US98CrackerTrailSigns.jpg)

Shortly west of the junction of CR 721 and US 98, there's an old State Road Department Right-of-Way marker off the northern shoulder:
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/SRD-RoW-Post98east.jpg)

I wonder how old this one is? It's alongside a nature preserve, so hopefully it won't be disturbed.
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/SRD-RoW-Post98.jpg)

Still here since 1978...
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/GreenUS27jctSgn78.jpg)

...and 1981 for this assembly (minus the arrows).
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/GreenUS27signs.jpg)

Further up the road couple of miles is this shiny example (I'm partially reflected in the divided highway arrows) with an interesting golden patina (forgot to check the date on this one):
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/GreenUS27TwinArrow.jpg)

This was definitely a city-installed job...Bauhaus font and lime green!
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/NeonGreenSignMooreHaven.jpg)

I've seen C-prefixed, and CR-prefixed county route signs, but this might be the first E-prefixed one. Probably to denote that CR 833 is changing from north/south to east/west for a few miles, and then returning back to its regular orientation.
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/E833+CR846signs5.jpg)

Nobody knows what to do with CR 880, since it stopped being SR 80...
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/US880to27signs.jpg)

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/CR880westSign-Shorty.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on October 11, 2011, 09:08:32 AM
Sweet pictures, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on October 11, 2011, 11:16:06 AM
I believe the missing sign on the US-27 gantry is a state route 17.

for a while, it was the shield gallery's 404 page.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 11, 2011, 11:39:46 AM
You could put an SR or CR 17 sign any where in Polk or Highlands County, and you'll eventually find the road in 5 minutes or less...   :crazy:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 11, 2011, 08:14:32 PM
That E-833 sign is nuts [I've always wanted to explore down there]. Guess it's the counterpart to Citrus County's 44W. Nice to see Palm Beach County is getting its ideas from Walton County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on October 11, 2011, 08:42:57 PM
That E-833 county shield was also signed for reassurance on that stretch. Unfortunately, I didn't think to check for a W-833 sign going the other way.

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ECR833sign.jpg)

It's not the prettiest nor most entertaining area of the state, but it makes up for it in weirdness and desolation. And agriculture.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on October 11, 2011, 10:42:54 PM
I like how those roads are in the desolation down there, as if there was meant to be more.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 15, 2011, 01:54:30 PM
Is US 27 still the main non tolled Truck Route for Truckers heading to South Florida?

I remember back in the 90s truckers would exit the FL Turnpike near Clermont and follow US 27 all the way down to Miami to avoid the tolls.  I-95 can get too congested, and I-75 heads way out to the west, so this is the logical way considering that US 27 is four lanes, and has many cities with full service facilities.

I was wondering if that still is the case nowadays? Since 2000 many traffic signals and speed reductions have take place along US 27 between Lake Wales and Leesburg.  Back in 2000 there were NO LIGHTS from I-4 to the Florida Turnpike!  Now 11 years later, I cannot even count how many signals there are on that stretch, plus places that were once 65 mph are now 45 mph.

Do truckers still use that part of US 27, or are they caving it to using I-75  or I-95 because the results are the same?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on October 15, 2011, 02:22:12 PM
Back in 2000 there were NO LIGHTS from I-4 to the Florida Turnpike!
There were several at Mineola-Clermont even then.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on October 15, 2011, 02:32:20 PM
Maybe, I could be off by a few years!  I know for sure a lot were added since the 21st century started.  Most due to widening of US 27 that took place rather recent.

Minneola and Clermont started with transforming flashing beacons to signals.  Washington and Hook Streets were the first and CR 561 soon followed as being the first newly constructed signal.  It may have been in 98.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 13, 2011, 02:35:04 AM
It appears that the two-lane portion of SR 570 is gone (unless there are temporary ramps at the new Pace Road interchange): http://www.floridasturnpike.com/downloads/ConstructionUpdates/Updates%202011/110411%20Weekly%20Advisory%20C%20FL.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on November 14, 2011, 08:03:01 PM
Wekiva Parkway deal reached...could be complete by 2021 and cost up to $1.8 billion. Orange County Expressway Authority will own about six miles of the 25 mile loop within Orange and south Lake County while the state owning the remainder portion.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-expressway-board-snyder-20111114,0,716459.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-expressway-board-snyder-20111114,0,716459.story)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 15, 2011, 08:32:31 AM
Here you go you impatient jerks:

(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6959/photonov1570823.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/photonov1570823.jpg/)

Interesting that it says Viera. I would have chosen Patrick AFB as the second destination.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 15, 2011, 08:49:59 AM
Wekiva Parkway deal reached...could be complete by 2021 and cost up to $1.8 billion. Orange County Expressway Authority will own about six miles of the 25 mile loop within Orange and south Lake County while the state owning the remainder portion.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-expressway-board-snyder-20111114,0,716459.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/os-expressway-board-snyder-20111114,0,716459.story)

That's a much needed road for the Orlando area, but I'm a bit worried that they'll be able to do it in an environmentally safe manner. Thats area is very sensitive from an environmental standpoint.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on November 15, 2011, 10:13:18 AM
Here you go you impatient jerks:

¡sʞuɐɥʇ

Quote
I would have chosen Patrick AFB as the second destination.

Air Force bases tend to be closed more often than entire cities, I suppose.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 15, 2011, 11:17:38 AM
Air Force bases tend to be closed more often than entire cities, I suppose.

The old Wickham Road exit signage was Satellite Beach and Patrick AFB IIRC, and Patrick is a major destination along the Pineda. Pineda doesn't go anywhere near Viera. If they wanted to sign an unincorporated master planned community, Suntree would have been more accurate. Even Merritt Island would have been more appropriate.

There are plans to extend Lake Andrew and potentially Stadium Pkwy south to intersect Pineda west of 95 which would provide southern access into Viera, but that's years from completion. I guess they were future-proofing the signage.

It's interesting that it's signed SR404 even though it isn't west of Wickham.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on November 15, 2011, 12:52:02 PM
Air Force bases tend to be closed more often than entire cities, I suppose.

The old Wickham Road exit signage was Satellite Beach and Patrick AFB IIRC, and Patrick is a major destination along the Pineda. Pineda doesn't go anywhere near Viera. If they wanted to sign an unincorporated master planned community, Suntree would have been more accurate. Even Merritt Island would have been more appropriate.

There are plans to extend Lake Andrew and potentially Stadium Pkwy south to intersect Pineda west of 95 which would provide southern access into Viera, but that's years from completion. I guess they were future-proofing the signage.

It's interesting that it's signed SR404 even though it isn't west of Wickham.

I don't know who is designing those signs on I-95, but every time I see them I find myself going "must...not...use...fist...of...death..." :banghead:
Would it bother them to at least be consistent?

The two Palm Bay exit signs and the ones in Cocoa are the only ones that are graphically consistent...the rest makes me think the sign designer was either on a bender or incompetent. :crazy:

It's one of those "push big red button" items for me.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2011, 07:02:24 PM
That's a much needed road for the Orlando area, but I'm a bit worried that they'll be able to do it in an environmentally safe manner. Thats area is very sensitive from an environmental standpoint.
Apparently it's being designed with long bridges for bears etc. to cross underneath, and the existing SR 46 will be removed in places. (The parkway will be free there.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on November 15, 2011, 08:53:33 PM
Yes! Using the existing ROW from SR 46 seems like the best idea, environment-wise.

Nice to see SR 404 make an appearance on I-95. Time to update my road data!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2011, 09:04:13 PM
They've had the recommended alternative up for a while: http://www.expresswayauthority.com/Corporate/oursystem/SR429/WekivaParkway.aspx?show=LatestRec
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on November 15, 2011, 09:58:28 PM
Yes! Using the existing ROW from SR 46 seems like the best idea, environment-wise.

Nice to see SR 404 make an appearance on I-95. Time to update my road data!

Keep in mind that it isn't officially SR404 until east of Wickham Road. On the Pineda Extension it's signed "To 404" eastbound and "To I-95" westbound. If the guide signs were technically correct, they'd include the "to" modifier also, or maybe a Brevard County 404 instead (assuming the county assigned it a number).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 15, 2011, 10:04:24 PM
Does Brevard assign any numbers, or do they just let FDOT post shields at state road intersections? (FDOT hasn't given the extension a number as of June, though the piece from CR 509 to US 1 is CR 404.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on November 15, 2011, 10:38:20 PM
I dug up the FDOT Shapefiles (as of July 30 of this year) and it appears that the Road ID for SR 404 (70004000) terminates at Wickham Rd (CR 509), and the extension (which has a different ID, 70000402) continues on a different ROW past Wickham to I-95. The shapefiles also include the interchange with I-95 complete with ramps.

So just because the Road IDs are different doesn't mean SR 404 (the designation) won't be extended westward to I-95. It could also be the county road designation that gets applied, but I highly doubt that if *SR* 404 is already signed on the BGS's on I-95.

NE2, the road I mentioned above (70000402) exists from CR 509 (and beyond to I-95) to just west of the interchange with US 1. Is this signed as CR 404? The road above which terminates at CR 509 (and doesn't go any further, except to a residential area) is the original 70004000.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 16, 2011, 12:37:03 AM
Here you go you impatient jerks:

[picture]

Interesting that it says Viera. I would have chosen Patrick AFB as the second destination.

Thanks for posting that.  Now I can add it to I-95's file over on the CHM site. :cool:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 16, 2011, 01:44:00 AM
NE2, the road I mentioned above (70000402) exists from CR 509 (and beyond to I-95) to just west of the interchange with US 1. Is this signed as CR 404? The road above which terminates at CR 509 (and doesn't go any further, except to a residential area) is the original 70004000.
I haven't been over there in years. http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/fedaid/fedaidrpt.pdf (p. 134) has the new extension (including east of CR 509) and p. 135 has CR/SR 404. Not that there's any point in FDOT recognizing this as CR 404...

Google has Street View photos of the extension but not the I-95 ramps. Eastbound signage (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=melbourne,+fl&hl=en&ll=28.192953,-80.704708&spn=0.016907,0.041199&hnear=Melbourne,+Brevard,+Florida&gl=us&t=m&z=16&vpsrc=6&layer=c&cbll=28.192937,-80.704846&panoid=hzGWMaKLl_mwz564kG5z9w&cbp=12,97.31,,1,0.21) can be interpreted as either SR 404 reassurance or a badly-installed trailblazer, and westbound has only I-95 signage. Signs on CR 509 only point SR 404 east (on what's officially unnumbered about halfway to US 1, then CR 404). CR 509 is not signed at all (Brevard doesn't seem to do any county road signage). Any of this, of course, may have changed since Google's photos.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 16, 2011, 04:22:59 AM
FDOT's video log is now online: http://www3.dot.state.fl.us/videolog/
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on November 16, 2011, 07:05:01 AM
Does Brevard assign any numbers, or do they just let FDOT post shields at state road intersections? (FDOT hasn't given the extension a number as of June, though the piece from CR 509 to US 1 is CR 404.)

It's very sporadic signage. There are signs for CR 509 and CR 511 on US 192, but they're JCT assemblies. Then, there's CR 502 signed at the I-95/SR 519 interchange (NB off-ramp and SR 519 mainline), and CR 3 signed on both SR 404 and SR 518.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on November 30, 2011, 09:03:54 PM
I don't know if this has been covered yet, but I just discovered a major design flaw in the reconstruction of the I-295 interchange with Florida SR 21 and Collins Road:
http://www.i295florida.com/upload/documents/I295_Collins_Road_Schematic_Rev_Jan_2011.pdf
I don't know about the rest of you, but the east end of the C-D roads are a little too close to the interchange with US 17 for my tastes. Creates the potential for dangerous weaving, as we had with I-75 between I-275 and SR 56, and as we still have on Southern State Parkway between Robert Moses Causeway's north-to-east ramp, and the Sagtikos Parkway's east-to-north left exit.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on November 30, 2011, 09:53:36 PM
I don't know if this has been covered yet, but I just discovered a major design flaw in the reconstruction of the I-295 interchange with Florida SR 21 and Collins Road:
http://www.i295florida.com/upload/documents/I295_Collins_Road_Schematic_Rev_Jan_2011.pdf
I don't know about the rest of you, but the east end of the C-D roads are a little too close to the interchange with US 17 for my tastes. Creates the potential for dangerous weaving, as we had with I-75 between I-275 and SR 56, and as we still have on Southern State Parkway between Robert Moses Causeway's north-to-east ramp, and the Sagtikos Parkway's east-to-north left exit.

I could see them doing something similar to what they did in NC with the NC-115 interchange on I-85 with it being so close to I-74/US-311.

http://g.co/maps/nwccc

That would eliminate any weaving problems.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on November 30, 2011, 10:05:02 PM
I don't know if this has been covered yet, but I just discovered a major design flaw in the reconstruction of the I-295 interchange with Florida SR 21 and Collins Road:
http://www.i295florida.com/upload/documents/I295_Collins_Road_Schematic_Rev_Jan_2011.pdf
I just discovered that the moon landing was actually footage of a Mars landing from the 1940s.

I don't know about the rest of you, but the east end of the C-D roads are a little too close to the interchange with US 17 for my tastes.
How close are they? The schematic doesn't label distances.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 30, 2011, 11:10:25 PM
I just discovered that the moon landing was actually footage of a Mars landing from the 1940s.

nah dude, that was all faked in 1929 on a soundstage on Neptune.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Takumi on November 30, 2011, 11:32:41 PM
Jake, that was totally a hoax. Neptune didn't have soundstages until 1932.

*crickets*
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on November 30, 2011, 11:40:28 PM
Jake, that was totally a hoax. Neptune didn't have soundstages until 1932.

*crickets*

that's what they'd like you to believe.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 06, 2011, 08:38:50 PM
Got a reply from FDOT Region #2 yesterday;

Quote
I appreciate your comments.  The Department's schematic diagram that you referenced in your below e-mail is a little misleading due to the scale.  The attached Signing and Pavement Marking Plans for the section of I-295 between the US 17 and Blanding Interchanges gives a more accurate representation of the proposed lane configuration and geometry.  

The minimum required entrance / exit ramp spacing is 1600'.  Traveling from the Blanding Interchange to the US 17 Interchange, there is approximately 5200' between the Collector Distributor Road on-ramp and the US 17 off-ramp.  Traveling from the US 17 Interchange to the Blanding Interchange, there is approximately 1800' between the US 17 on-ramp and the Collector Distributor Road off-ramp.

To help mitigate weaving issues in the vicinity of the US 17 Interchange, the Department will construct auxiliary lanes in each direction as shown in the attachment.

Please let me know if you have additional comments or need additional information.

Thank you for your interest in this project.

Will Lyons
Florida Department of Transportation - District 2
Consultant Project Management - MS 2804
2198 Edison Ave., Jacksonville, FL, 32204-2730
So it's not as bad as the map suggests, but it's not that great. Unfortunatley the only things I remember about it are from my road trips to New York City & Long Island.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 06, 2011, 09:05:28 PM
Mind posting a screen shot of the said attachment? ;)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on December 07, 2011, 02:02:31 PM
Mind posting a screen shot of the said attachment? ;)
I have the link at my previous message on this issue. If I can't find a way to convert a PDF file into a JPG, you're going to have to settle for that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 07, 2011, 02:13:00 PM
Mind posting a screen shot of the said attachment? ;)
I have the link at my previous message on this issue. If I can't find a way to convert a PDF file into a JPG, you're going to have to settle for that.


Oh, I thought they sent you a new file showing a close up of the US-17 area of the project as the line below suggested.
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To help mitigate weaving issues in the vicinity of the US 17 Interchange, the Department will construct auxiliary lanes in each direction as shown in the attachment.

My bad.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 17, 2012, 03:15:57 PM
If anyone's interested, here's a list of truck restrictions from FDOT:
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Our offices have compiled the information you requested below. Please feel free to contact us with any additional questions you may have. Thank you again for your patience while we researched information regarding your request.
 
 
 
The Districts report regulations restricting truck-traffic.  The Interstate lane restricts are not included in this list:
 
 
District 1
 
Route   Roadway ID   County   Begin M.P.   Local Street Name   End M.P.    Local Street Name   
SR 655   16120000   Polk   0   SR 555/ US 17   1.179   SR 620   
SR 17   0903001   Highlands   0   SR 35/ U.S. 27   1.058   Kenilworth Blvd.   
SR 17   09040000   Highlands   0   Kenilworth Blvd.   3.068   Arbuckle Creek Road   
SR 17   09040000   Highlands   9.396   SR 35/ U.S. 27   11.147   CR-17A   
 
 
District 2
 
Gainesville
•             SR 25 (US 441) from SR 331 to SR 222
•             SR 121 from SR 331 to SR 222
•             SR 24 from I-75 to SR 331
•             SR 226 from SR 24 to SR 331
•             SR 26 from I-75 to SR 331
•             SR 26A
•             SR 20 from SR 222 to SR 331
 
Lake City
•             SR 10A (Baya Ave)
•             SR 25A (US 441) from US 41/441 to CR 100A
 
Perry 
•             US 221 from SR 55 (US 19) to Ash Street
 
 
 
 
 
 
District 3
 
No through traffic restrictions
 
Arterial lane restriction: US 27 through Havana -- Trucks must use inside lane.
 
 
 
District 4
 
County   Section   State Road/Local Name   Type of Restriction
Palm Beach   93040   SR 5/US 1 at Bridge # 930087 and # 930117 over FEC Canal Jupiter   Special Weight Restriction 31 Tons Maximum
Martin   89095   SR 9/I95   Lane Restriction for Trucks/Weigh Stations
Broward   86000   SR A1A @ Bayview Drive   Special Weight Restriction 37 Tons Maximum
Broward   860061 (Bridge)   SR 838 (Sunrise) over Middle River    Special Weight Restriction 37 Tons Maximum
St. Lucie   94070   SR 68 (Orange Avenue at Copenhaver Road/Lamont road) aprox. SLDMP 17.821   Trucks No U Turn Restriction
St. Lucie   94030   SR 7 (Okeechobee Road) at Carlton Road/CR 613   Weight Restriction to be posted SR 70
Palm Beach   93040   SR 5/US 1 at Bridge #930117 (SB) & Bridge # 9830087 (NB)   Weight Restriction on Approaches of SR A1A, 5, 706, 811 & CR 7070
Palm Beach   93120   SR 80 (Southern Boulevard)   No Thru Trucks for Flagler Drive
Palm Beach   93100   SR 25 (US 27)   No Thru Trucks for NW 1st Street
Palm Beach   93100   SR 25 (US 27) (Miami Canal Bridge)   Legal Weight Trucks Only
Palm Beach   93080   SR A1A (N. Ocean Drive), SR 5 (US 1) from SR 708 (Blue Heron Blvd.) to SR 786 (PGA Blvd.)   Blue Heron Small Bridge Detour
Palm Beach   93080   SR A1A (N. Ocean Blvd.) for Bridge # 930194 (Tidal Relief Canal)   Special Weight Restriction 28 Tons Maximum
Palm Beach   93001   SR 786 (Prosperity/Farms Rd. to Center City)   Trucks Restricted Bridge 26 - 34 Tons
Palm Beach   93080   SR A1A (Tree Village to Twelve Oaks)   Trucks Restricted Bridge 26 - 34 Tons
Palm Beach   93020   SR 5/US 1 (25th Street to 34th Street)   Trucks Restricted Bridge 26 - 34 Tons
Palm Beach   93040   SR 5/US 1 (Mariner Ct. to Shoppes of Oakbrook)   Trucks Restricted Bridge 26 - 34 Tons
Palm Beach   93270   SR 7 Extension - from Okeechobee Blvd. to Persimmon Blvd.   No Through Truck Routes
Palm Beach   Varies   SR 15/SR 80/US 98/US 441/SR 715/SR 700 Pahokee Truck Route   Truck Route/Truck By Pass
 
 
District 5
NONE
 
 
 
District 6
1.    Miami Dade: SR 997/Krome (4/10 mile) and US 1 South Dixie Hwy (2/10 mile) and continuing through 
Monroe County: US 1/Overseas Highway to Key West
Restriction:  Blanket Permits – Overweight/ Over 12 feet wide VOID beyond this point.
 
2.    SR 934/79th St WB @ North Bayshore Drive:  Truck traffic is restricted on SR 934 WB/ NE 82nd St., must use SR 934/NE 79th Street.
 
 
 
District 7
 
NONE
 
Within District 7 :  SR 590 through Safety Harbor.  The state transferred 2.221 miles of SR 590 to Safety Harbor in 1995.  Trucks are restricted from using the city-controlled section.  The Department posts NO THROUGH TRUCKS on either side to offer truckers an opportunity to find another route.  It is not a Department regulation.
 
 
Comment:
 
 
Truck routes can be designated to be used for the expeditious and convenient movement of farm tractors, trailers, semi-trailers, trucks and other commercial vehicular traffic.  Notice is given by means of appropriate signs placed along such streets.  Truck route designation does not imply that the through route is restricted to these vehicles.
 
 
Veronica "Ronnie" Martin
Permit Administrator
State Maintenance Office
Fl. Dept. of Transportation MS-52
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: stormwatch7721 on January 17, 2012, 03:38:30 PM
Does anyone know what is going on at US Route 92 between DeLand and Daytona Beach? There seems to be construction(sp?) going on.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 17, 2012, 03:41:50 PM
Does anyone know what is going on at US Route 92 between DeLand and Daytona Beach? There seems to be construction(sp?) going on.
Yes, and you can too! http://cflroads.com/County/Current/7/Volusia
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 19, 2012, 06:31:09 PM
In case anyone's curious:

New ramp opened from NB SR 414 to Orange CR 437A (Ocoee-Apopka Rd). The existing ramp a little further north is closed. Also, it seems SR 429 is on a new alignment in this area - a new alignment which should make access to SR 414 much easier, but from what I can tell, that access isn't open yet, but 429 is on the new alignment. Can anyone in the area confirm?

Links to the above info:
http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/ConstructionUpdates.aspx?type=weekly&ID=20120106115713
http://www.oocea.com/Corporate/oursystem/sr429/TRAFFIC%20ALERT%20414-429.htm
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 19, 2012, 06:39:44 PM
Also, it seems SR 429 is on a new alignment in this area - a new alignment which should make access to SR 414 much easier, but from what I can tell, that access isn't open yet, but 429 is on the new alignment. Can anyone in the area confirm?
Yes - I emailed OOCEA and confirmed that both directions are on the new alignment. Here it is in OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.65286&lon=-81.53709&zoom=15&layers=M
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 19, 2012, 06:42:22 PM
Thanks for the link, NE2. I noticed OSM also had the new alignments. I'm just wondering when the big players (Google Maps, Bing Maps, etc) will catch up - probably won't be for a long time (they still don't have a new alignment of I-20 and I-55 in Jackson, MS right - or at least they didn't a few months ago).

Time to check if these new alignments have hit FDOT's GIS files...
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 21, 2012, 12:42:53 AM
Thanks for the link, NE2. I noticed OSM also had the new alignments. I'm just wondering when the big players (Google Maps, Bing Maps, etc) will catch up - probably won't be for a long time (they still don't have a new alignment of I-20 and I-55 in Jackson, MS right - or at least they didn't a few months ago).

Try maybe a year+ if you're lucky.  They still don't show the brand new NC-44 expressway (probably because they don't have imagery that shows it even under-construction yet, while Bing did allowing it to be added to OSM) and they still don't have I-95 NB correct (http://g.co/maps/svdjv) at the I-10 interchange in Jacksonville (and I sent them several reports about that mistake and they kept screwing it up).  Heck, in reference to the I-95 example, they even had their StreetView (http://g.co/maps/dqjf7) vehicles shoot the interchange after it was completed, and still don't have it correct.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 02:18:18 AM
Try maybe a year+ if you're lucky.  They still don't show the brand new NC-44 expressway (probably because they don't have imagery that shows it even under-construction yet, while Bing did allowing it to be added to OSM) and they still don't have I-95 NB correct (http://g.co/maps/svdjv) at the I-10 interchange in Jacksonville (and I sent them several reports about that mistake and they kept screwing it up).  Heck, in reference to the I-95 example, they even had their StreetView (http://g.co/maps/dqjf7) vehicles shoot the interchange after it was completed, and still don't have it correct.

I hear you. In my Jackson example, neither Google nor Bing Maps had it correct on the actual map, but Bing's aerial images (I believe) show the current alignment of I-20/I-55 through that area today, at least at the closest zoom level (and the next one up, though that one is an older image, but shows the correct alignment). That at least gave some authenticity to Bing's credit (I try to stay away from Google Maps as much as possible but it's not completely avoidable).

As far as Street View vehicles driving along the new road, I know those photos are geotagged. They have to be, to make placing them at the exact coordinates that much easier. At least in the meantime, Google could have injected the GIS data (which I can get with a $30 receiver and software I can build myself) directly onto whatever shapefiles their map data uses if that sort of thing is possible. If it's possible to do it in OSM, I'd wager it's possible for Google to do that with their own data, at least to have the most accurate available.

The I-10/I-95 is an absolute mess with Google, as you mentioned. Both maps and aerial images are way out of date. I understand they're providing this service to us at no cost to us, and that it's silly of me to expect new alignments and such to be updated as quickly as possible, but it keeps me waiting for that one company who will finally be able to deliver on that promise.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mdcastle on January 21, 2012, 04:10:39 PM
Is there any talk about making it easier to get from Miami to the Keys?

The Turnpike was nice on the way down but then it ends and dumps traffic all of a sudden in Florida City and the next 20 miles or so are two line with a ton of traffic even on a Thursday afternoon. I wound up pulling over every couple of miles to let traffic past that seemed to want to go 70.

Is there something environmental preventing a four lane highway and building one or two more interchanges in Florida City. (yeah the area south of FL City looked like a wetland, but don't they have enough of it considering most of southern florida is a wetland?) Or is it a NIMBY thing (not the alligators but the Keys residents not wanting to make it too easy to get there, or a money thing? The situation kind of reminds me of London Road in Duluth, MN a two lane road connecting four lane roads heading towards a substantial resort area.

On the way back I took Card Sound Road. I had paid $35 for unlimited tolls and they didn't accept toll-by-plate, but it was worth $1 not to drive US 1 between Key Largo and Florida City again. Driving through the mangroves was something I certainly don't get to do everyday.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 21, 2012, 04:20:29 PM
It's likely an environmental thing, but until 20 years ago, there were no passing lanes. I haven't been down that way in years, but I suppose it's also costs a lot to build another set of lanes over the wetlands.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 04:21:15 PM
Is there any talk about making it easier to get from Miami to the Keys?

The Turnpike was nice on the way down but then it ends and dumps traffic all of a sudden in Florida City and the next 20 miles or so are two line with a ton of traffic even on a Thursday afternoon. I wound up pulling over every couple of miles to let traffic past that seemed to want to go 70.

Is there something environmental preventing a four lane highway and building one or two more interchanges in Florida City. (yeah the area south of FL City looked like a wetland, but don't they have enough of it considering most of southern florida is a wetland?) Or is it a NIMBY thing (not the alligators but the Keys residents not wanting to make it too easy to get there, or a money thing? The situation kind of reminds me of London Road in Duluth, MN a two lane road connecting four lane roads heading towards a substantial resort area.

On the way back I took Card Sound Road. I had paid $35 for unlimited tolls and they didn't accept toll-by-plate, but it was worth $1 not to drive US 1 between Key Largo and Florida City again. Driving through the mangroves was something I certainly don't get to do everyday.

When was the last time you drove from Florida City to Key Largo? I was there about half a year ago and, though construction was still going on, they had four-landed US 1 quite a ways. It's not entirely four-laned all the way to Key Largo - there are some bridges and such that are still two lanes, but it seems they are trying to four-lane as much as they can. The two-lane portion between Key Largo and Florida City is well under 20 miles.

Even though I've been to the keys, I'm not too up on the culture of if they want to make it easier to get there for tourists and the like. I myself would like a four-laned US 1 all the way to Key West simply for hurricane evacuations. If FDOT can build an overseas highway of at least two lanes all the way to Key West, there's no reason they couldn't build four lanes - apart from lack of funds.

I took Card Sound Rd the last time leaving the Keys just to take a different route, and I didn't see another car the entire time from leaving US 1 in Key Largo to rejoining US 1 just south of Florida City. It was a nice, scenic drive, and worth not having to deal with US 1 traffic for part of my drive back home.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mdcastle on January 21, 2012, 04:59:45 PM
I was there in October of last year. It's the 20 mile stretch between Key Largo and Florida City that frazzled me. Once I got to Key Largo the road widened to four lanes and traffic thinned out and could get around me if they wanted to go fast, and their wasn't much traffic on the two lanes beyond Key Largo. I drove down on a Thursday night and back on a Saturday morning.

The other thing was that the last two blocks of US 1 were blocked off as a staging area for some sort of festival. I thought about asking a cop if I could just drive through or just doing it, but in the end decided traveling a road would still "count" if I walked it, so that's what I did. My sister asked me if we needed to go to Maine now to see the other end of US 1... I missed a picture of myself with the End 1 sign though because my sister apparently doesn't know how to work a camera and I didn't check at the time to see if she actually took one.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
Was that 20 mile stretch of US 1 you mentioned not four lanes at least part of, let alone the majority of, the way back in October of last year? It does narrow to two lanes getting near the county line and over Lake Surprise, and then widens back into four lanes after the curve onto Key Largo, but it is still four lanes a majority of the way from Florida City. We are talking about US 1, right? The alternate route - Card Sound Road (CR 905 and 905A) is two lanes the entire time, however.

The festival may have been the very reason traffic was congested that Thursday you drove in. I went one time in May I believe, and there was something going on in Key Largo which didn't block any lanes, but still contributed to a lot of traffic.

I'm sorry you lost the picture of the End US 1 sign. I've heard that that is one of the most photographed signs. The last time I was there, I got good pictures of US 1, then tried to find SR A1A. I never found A1A at the terminus, but I did find the southernmost reassurance markers for any numbered highway in the continental United States!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on January 21, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
I did find the southernmost reassurance markers for any numbered highway in the continental United States!
If you mean the north US 1 on Truman after Whitehead, you did, but only because there appears to be no reassurance at the beginning of A1A. (A sign on the beachfront right where A1A begins would beat US 1 by a few feet.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 06:36:38 PM
If you mean the north US 1 on Truman after Whitehead, you did, but only because there appears to be no reassurance at the beginning of A1A. (A sign on the beachfront right where A1A begins would beat US 1 by a few feet.)

Oh no, I mean A1A. I couldn't find the actual terminus BEGIN/END signs of A1A, but I did find signs along the water, and they lie at a lower line of latitude than any for US 1 would have (or do they? The ones for US 1 may actually lie a bit lower. Time to do some fact checking...).

OK - fact check time. The terminus of A1A definitely lies further south than any other numbered highway accessible by car (I don't know of any numbered highways on private islands further west of Key West), BUT the point where I took the pictures below lie on almost the exact same line of latitude as the intersection of Truman and Whitehead, so those two pairs of reassurance markers may be competing for the "southernmost" label.

Found the coordinates: The northbound one is approximately at 24.552477,-81.763960. The one at Truman and Whitehead (for US 1) is approximately at 24.550474,-81.800348. So the A1A reassurance signs are about .002 degrees of latitude north than the ones at US 1 - that's about a difference of 728 feet - but they were the southernmost ones for A1A (which does travel further south than US 1, even seemingly within inches!) so that has to count for something!

(http://astareglobe.org/public/201106_FL_A1A_North.jpg)

(http://astareglobe.org/public/201106_FL_A1A_South.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 21, 2012, 11:05:09 PM
Was that 20 mile stretch of US 1 you mentioned not four lanes at least part of, let alone the majority of, the way back in October of last year? It does narrow to two lanes getting near the county line and over Lake Surprise, and then widens back into four lanes after the curve onto Key Largo, but it is still four lanes a majority of the way from Florida City. We are talking about US 1, right? The alternate route - Card Sound Road (CR 905 and 905A) is two lanes the entire time, however.

The festival may have been the very reason traffic was congested that Thursday you drove in. I went one time in May I believe, and there was something going on in Key Largo which didn't block any lanes, but still contributed to a lot of traffic.

I'm sorry you lost the picture of the End US 1 sign. I've heard that that is one of the most photographed signs. The last time I was there, I got good pictures of US 1, then tried to find SR A1A. I never found A1A at the terminus, but I did find the southernmost reassurance markers for any numbered highway in the continental United States!

The construction on the stretch between Florida City and Key Largo finished last fall. It's not four lanes. There is one lane each direction with a concrete barrier in the median and a couple of passing zones each way. SB has a very narrow shoulder and NB has a full lane width shoulder to be used in case of hurricane evacuations as a second lane.

I've heard of no plans to 4-lane that stretch of US1.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on January 21, 2012, 11:14:53 PM
The construction on the stretch between Florida City and Key Largo finished last fall. It's not four lanes. There is one lane each direction with a concrete barrier in the median and a couple of passing zones each way. SB has a very narrow shoulder and NB has a full lane width shoulder to be used in case of hurricane evacuations as a second lane.

I've heard of no plans to 4-lane that stretch of US1.

Wow. That's surprising to me. I knew in a few places where they were placing the concrete barrier, there was potentially enough room for two lanes of traffic in each direction - and there probably would have been if not for the extra space needed for the barrier or the shoulders. I guess I just wrongly assumed that there would have been enough space for four full lanes plus the barrier post-construction. I haven't been back since it's been finished.

I stand corrected. Thanks for the information guys.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on January 21, 2012, 11:23:24 PM
You are in PRIME season for any travel to south Florida.  All of our Canadian and Northeast winter friends come down to live until early April.  Always expect heavy traffic.  Card Sound Road and the $1 toll bridge is always worth the peace and lack of congestion over the reconstructed 18-mile stretch of US 1/Overseas Highway. :nod:
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Mdcastle on January 22, 2012, 12:05:27 AM
I did at leat get a picture of the US 1 sign. Just not one with me in it. Although I'm not wild about having my picture taken in general it seems like something you're "supposed to do". I did get a picture of myself at the Gateway Arch, the MN/IA/SD tripoint , the worlds highest roller coaster, but passed at the Willis tower, Mt. Rushmore and most other places I've been.

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/300931_10150374987734875_739074874_8240588_2052413527_n.jpg)

I didn't take very many road photos on the trip in general, just 7 mile bridge, the sign at US 1 / I-95, Card Sound Road through the mangroves, the Sunshine Skyway, and the Bridge of Lions. I was on a road trip with Froggie once and he'd take a picture of every interchange, but although roads still interest me on an intellectual level I myself have become burnt out at trying to document everthing on pictures. And I was traveling with my sister who will tolerate roageeking within reason (And she thought the detour to see the Skyway Bridge was cool too) her tolerance doesn't extend to stopping every 15 minutes to take a picture of a state highway end like I use to.

I did take A1A on the way out of Key West although it was rapidly getting dark (we stayed for the sunset at Zach Taylor Beach).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on January 22, 2012, 11:31:09 AM
I did find the southernmost reassurance markers for any numbered highway in the continental United States!
If you mean the north US 1 on Truman after Whitehead, you did, but only because there appears to be no reassurance at the beginning of A1A. (A sign on the beachfront right where A1A begins would beat US 1 by a few feet.)
Last I'd heard, it was too close to call. I guess someone has been down to both termini with calibrated GPS?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 25, 2012, 02:02:59 PM
Had to take my car to my dealer down in Fort Pierce today and noticed that they have begun work on widening I-95 from four to six lanes from the St. Lucie/Indian River county line to State Road 70 in Fort Pierce.  More information can be found here (about midway down the page):

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district4pio/stlucie.shtm

Be aware the FHPs are out in force in that area, so slow your roll! :sombrero:

Also, construction continues on widening I-95 in Brevard County between the Beachline and SR 406 in Titusville.  Center lane guard rails and new inner lane pavement is done from SR 528 to between Citrus Blvd. and Port St. John Parkway and from between SR 406 to Fox Lake Road, including sound walls on the east side of the interstate.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 25, 2012, 06:03:40 PM
Had to take my car to my dealer down in Fort Pierce today and noticed that they have begun work on widening I-95 from four to six lanes from the St. Lucie/Indian River county line to State Road 70 in Fort Pierce.  More information can be found here (about midway down the page):

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district4pio/stlucie.shtm

Be aware the FHPs are out in force in that area, so slow your roll! :sombrero:

Also, construction continues on widening I-95 in Brevard County between the Beachline and SR 406 in Titusville.  Center lane guard rails and new inner lane pavement is done from SR 528 to between Citrus Blvd. and Port St. John Parkway and from between SR 406 to Fox Lake Road, including sound walls on the east side of the interstate.

The only two lane sections of I-95 south of South Carolina are the stretch between I-4 and SR-528 (being widened currently) and the stretch between SR-514 and SR-70. I know there are plans to widen the stretch between SR-514 and the Indian River County line in the near future; I'm glad to hear that they're working on the rest of it also. Now if they'd only widen the Turnpike between SR-70 and Fort Lauderdale, I'd be happy!
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on January 25, 2012, 06:05:29 PM
The only two lane sections of I-95 south of South Carolina are the stretch between I-4 and SR-528 (being widened currently) and the stretch between SR-514 and SR-70. I know there are plans to widen the stretch between SR-514 and the Indian River County line in the near future; I'm glad to hear that they're working on the rest of it also. Now if they'd only widen the Turnpike between SR-70 and Fort Lauderdale, I'd be happy!


how long of a section is that greater than two lanes?  I remember in some other thread we were discussing the longest length of more-than-two-lane freeway in the US, and the record holder was, I think, I-5 from the East LA Interchange heading south... about 133 miles.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 25, 2012, 07:18:35 PM
Had to take my car to my dealer down in Fort Pierce today and noticed that they have begun work on widening I-95 from four to six lanes from the St. Lucie/Indian River county line to State Road 70 in Fort Pierce.  More information can be found here (about midway down the page):

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district4pio/stlucie.shtm

Be aware the FHPs are out in force in that area, so slow your roll! :sombrero:

Also, construction continues on widening I-95 in Brevard County between the Beachline and SR 406 in Titusville.  Center lane guard rails and new inner lane pavement is done from SR 528 to between Citrus Blvd. and Port St. John Parkway and from between SR 406 to Fox Lake Road, including sound walls on the east side of the interstate.

The only two lane sections of I-95 south of South Carolina are the stretch between I-4 and SR-528 (being widened currently) and the stretch between SR-514 and SR-70. I know there are plans to widen the stretch between SR-514 and the Indian River County line in the near future; I'm glad to hear that they're working on the rest of it also. Now if they'd only widen the Turnpike between SR-70 and Fort Lauderdale, I'd be happy!


Just got nailed on I-95 near on Monday, missed the construction zone speed limit sign just north of CR712. No remorse from the black and tan. The Turnpike is six lanes until Mile Marker 88, but that toll money should have paid for its widening years ago.

On a happy note, there's lots of old sign relics in Alachua/Bradford County that caught my attention this week.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on January 25, 2012, 07:51:53 PM
On a happy note, there's lots of old sign relics in Alachua/Bradford County that caught my attention this week.

Bradford County has been great with not replacing many, though they did replace a few keys shields along CR 18 from Brooker to US 301.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on January 25, 2012, 09:08:53 PM
The only two lane sections of I-95 south of South Carolina are the stretch between I-4 and SR-528 (being widened currently) and the stretch between SR-514 and SR-70. I know there are plans to widen the stretch between SR-514 and the Indian River County line in the near future; I'm glad to hear that they're working on the rest of it also. Now if they'd only widen the Turnpike between SR-70 and Fort Lauderdale, I'd be happy!


how long of a section is that greater than two lanes?  I remember in some other thread we were discussing the longest length of more-than-two-lane freeway in the US, and the record holder was, I think, I-5 from the East LA Interchange heading south... about 133 miles.

250 miles, give or take a few. I haven't been to the new 95/10 interchange in Jax so I can't say for sure that it doesn't drop to 2 lanes for a couple hundred yards or so there...

I75 is six lanes (or will be soon - I'm assuming the construction in GA is done by now) from around Chattenooga to Florida's Turnpike except for a brief 2 lane section in Macon at the interchange with I16. That's over 500 miles. Even the Macon-Turnpike stretch is over 300 miles.

I was wrong about those two sections of I95 being the only 2 lane stretches south of SC. There's also a brief 2-lane stretch between Exit 1 and mile zero at US1 in Miami.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 25, 2012, 09:55:22 PM
Had to take my car to my dealer down in Fort Pierce today and noticed that they have begun work on widening I-95 from four to six lanes from the St. Lucie/Indian River county line to State Road 70 in Fort Pierce.  More information can be found here (about midway down the page):

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/publicinformationoffice/construc/district4pio/stlucie.shtm

Be aware the FHPs are out in force in that area, so slow your roll! :sombrero:

Also, construction continues on widening I-95 in Brevard County between the Beachline and SR 406 in Titusville.  Center lane guard rails and new inner lane pavement is done from SR 528 to between Citrus Blvd. and Port St. John Parkway and from between SR 406 to Fox Lake Road, including sound walls on the east side of the interstate.

The only two lane sections of I-95 south of South Carolina are the stretch between I-4 and SR-528 (being widened currently) and the stretch between SR-514 and SR-70. I know there are plans to widen the stretch between SR-514 and the Indian River County line in the near future; I'm glad to hear that they're working on the rest of it also. Now if they'd only widen the Turnpike between SR-70 and Fort Lauderdale, I'd be happy!


It's already programmed, they're just waiting on the money:

http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/76/413072_1_I_95_Widening_from_Indian_River_County_Line_to_Malabar_Road

There's also a move to put an interchange north of Micco Road between Malabar and the southern part of Palm Bay:

http://www.palmbayinterchange.com/

And they rolled three contracts into one to six lane between SR 406 in Titusville and SR 44 in southern Volusia County:

http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/256/406869_8_I_95_Widening_from_South_of_SR_406_to_North_of_SR_44

(I have to give FDOT District 5 credit, they've really improved their website over the years...)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 25, 2012, 09:59:23 PM
They saved a few oldies:

This one was a little out of the way ('71)...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7194/6940956093_fc8be81d36_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bzmdqM)

...this was along the way ('79).
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7065/6940956129_d38fe50f66_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bzmdrp)

Not just one ('78), but...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7060/6940956221_3393ca791b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bzmdsZ)

...another, too! ('75)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7064/6940956187_105dbf653b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bzmdsp)

I just like the "End Of" included on this one:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7057/6940956169_b7f28ee91b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bzmds6)

Old 301 with a County Route shield together, a rare pair:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7067/6794843192_b7f71c88aa_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/bmrm9Q)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 26, 2012, 07:19:32 AM
250 miles, give or take a few. I haven't been to the new 95/10 interchange in Jax so I can't say for sure that it doesn't drop to 2 lanes for a couple hundred yards or so there...

Yep, I-95 does drop to two lanes in each direction on the "mainline" in the I-10/I-95 interchange. [NB] (http://g.co/maps/dwpwz) [SB] (http://g.co/maps/s9n3c)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on January 26, 2012, 09:39:56 AM
250 miles, give or take a few. I haven't been to the new 95/10 interchange in Jax so I can't say for sure that it doesn't drop to 2 lanes for a couple hundred yards or so there...

Yep, I-95 does drop to two lanes in each direction on the "mainline" in the I-10/I-95 interchange. [NB] (http://g.co/maps/dwpwz) [SB] (http://g.co/maps/s9n3c)

The local lanes ( to use NJ parlance) has at 1 lane for I-95 SB... so there are a total of 3 going SB... going NB there is only 2 lanes unless you consider the ramp from I-10 that is 3 lanes
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on January 29, 2012, 07:10:26 PM
AP via N.Y. Times: Florida Highway Pileup Kills at Least 10 People (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/01/29/us/AP-US-Deadly-Interstate-Crash.html)

Quote
Authorities were still trying to determine what caused the pileup south of Gainesville on Interstate 75, which had been closed for a time before the accidents because of the mixture of fog and heavy smoke from a brush fire that may have been intentionally set. At least a dozen cars and six tractor-trailers were involved, and some burst into flames.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on January 29, 2012, 11:01:01 PM
The local news stations in Orlando are reporting that northbound I-75 is open,however, southbound traffic is being diverted onto SR 121 to US 27 in Williston, no timetable set for reopening southbound.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 30, 2012, 02:06:36 PM
Old 301 with a County Route shield together, a rare pair:
(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Old301+CR200Asigns.jpg)
That reminds me; I have to make more County Road shield requests on Wikipedia, including for Alachua County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 30, 2012, 03:16:32 PM
^ Heh...if I get around to it, I've probably taken a bunch of county road photos that could use some uploading. Just don't have the time I used to...

Wow, I was just driving past that horrible sight I-75 on Friday afternoon; how terrible.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on January 31, 2012, 02:48:00 PM
Wow, I was just driving past that horrible sight I-75 on Friday afternoon; how terrible.
You know, yesterday BayNews 9 was getting reports from an Orlando area network claiming it was just in Ocala, and then brought up Gainesville.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on January 31, 2012, 03:50:38 PM
I took this photo (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/Interstate75-PaynesPrairie-27Jan2012.jpg) on Friday afternoon, just before I left:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Interstate75-PaynesPrairie-27Jan2012.jpg/800px-Interstate75-PaynesPrairie-27Jan2012.jpg)

From a decent height (there's rest stop with an elevated vantage point), traffic just appears to crawl.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: cpzilliacus on February 02, 2012, 12:46:15 AM
Reason's Out of Control blog: Florida Toll Agencies Should Not Be Consolidated (http://reason.org/news/show/florida-toll-agencies-consolidated)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 02, 2012, 12:54:17 AM
Good job finding a blog worse than TollRoadsNews.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 10, 2012, 09:41:25 AM
I was on FL 414 at FL 429 and it looks like some of the new flyovers are open.  The old bridge carrying FL 429 over FL 414 has been demolished and the interchange from CR 437A to FL 429 is moved one mile south as a complete diamond.   

When this is completed there will be no access between FL 414 and CR 437A and the new interchange south of there will provide the movements.

I also see that the FL 408 and FL 417 interchange is under a major overhaul!  The connector road (old unnumbered 408 to its original terminus) from EB to NB and SB to WB is going to be ripped up for new ramps and flyovers.  To compensate for the loss of the Valencia CC Lane interchange on the current connector freeway  a new interchange between FL 408 and Chickasaw Trail is being constructed as well.  That will eliminate EB FL 408 and SB FL 417 from exiting itself and new land open for development.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 12, 2012, 01:42:34 PM
New access between SR 417 and International Parkway:
(http://i40.tinypic.com/a2ta4l.jpg)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/8wzcbr.jpg)

Jumping the gun on route designations:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/wm0cj6.jpg)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/15ex0yu.jpg)

Future CR 437A exit:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/124kklf.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on February 12, 2012, 01:51:57 PM
I saw the new opened FL 451 to FL 429 connection.  I was on it and captured it!  I did not see the new FL 451 mile marker, though.  Plus, I have not been in the Lake Mary area for some time, so your photos are enjoyable news.

I do not know if you yet got to the east end at FL 417 and FL 408.  The new flyovers are something.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 21, 2012, 12:43:15 AM
I went on a trip to Ocala and surrounding areas. Wanted to see how a couple of CR switch-offs were handled and tried to explore Ocala for one last time. In the Williston area, the extremely faded brown US 41 shield on CR 323/CR 326 has been replaced, and so has the green US 27 shield on CR 323

On CR 335 southbound. The northbound signage is just normal shields, but I was looking for this one.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/124.jpg)


Major fail on Marion County's behalf. This is eastbound.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/162.jpg)


This hasn't yet been replaced.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/186.jpg)

And neither has this...
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/239.jpg)

[The SR 40 bridge over the railroad tracks is dated 1983, for those button-copy enthusiasts.]

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 21, 2012, 01:11:42 AM
As I got under this sign, the "Bus District" looked to have some ghost reflector spots in the letters.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/235.jpg)

Gotta love good ol' Osceola Ave with the railroad track down the center.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/261.jpg)

The only 12-8-8s in the area. I think this makes maybe three across the whole state.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/232.jpg)

Last known green shield in Marion County! Oh..
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/234.jpg)

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on February 21, 2012, 10:59:12 AM
And neither has this...
[button copy, 40 @ 27-301-441]

[The SR 40 bridge over the railroad tracks is dated 1983, for those button-copy enthusiasts.]


those shields are patches.  Were there at one point '61-spec shields on that gantry?  Florida rarely used colored shields on green signs, but they did use (possibly non-reflective) older-spec shields, as seen here:

(http://www.aaroads.com/shields/img/FL/FL19704411i1.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on February 21, 2012, 12:38:24 PM
There had to have been at some point, plus a probable cut-out for the SR 40 shield. The 4 on this shield is starting to peel.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 29, 2012, 07:47:32 PM
This hasn't yet been replaced.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/186.jpg)
A gantry would make more sense.

And neither has this...
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/239.jpg)
To be honest, I can't think of any reason it should be replaced.


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on February 29, 2012, 07:55:57 PM
I've got some potential Wikipedia article improvements riding on this question;

In northern Jacksonville, FDOT lists two county suffixes of Florida State Road 21 that run north of the northern terminus;

Duval County Road 21B: Commonwealth Avenue east of I-295.
Duval County Road 21D: Moncrief Road southeast of FL 111 at least to SR 122.

No evidence of either county roads can be found on Google Maps, which also lists CR 21D as State Road 210.

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/geomap/duva_c.pdf

So what's right here?


Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on February 29, 2012, 08:16:02 PM
I've got some potential Wikipedia article improvements riding on this question;

In northern Jacksonville, FDOT lists two county suffixes of Florida State Road 21 that run north of the northern terminus;

Duval County Road 21B: Commonwealth Avenue east of I-295.
Duval County Road 21D: Moncrief Road southeast of FL 111 at least to SR 122.

No evidence of either county roads can be found on Google Maps, which also lists CR 21D as State Road 210.

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/geomap/duva_c.pdf

So what's right here?
Why would either FDOT or Google Maps be a source for what county roads exist in Duval County?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 01, 2012, 01:14:21 AM
I've got some potential Wikipedia article improvements riding on this question;

In northern Jacksonville, FDOT lists two county suffixes of Florida State Road 21 that run north of the northern terminus;

Duval County Road 21B: Commonwealth Avenue east of I-295.
Duval County Road 21D: Moncrief Road southeast of FL 111 at least to SR 122.

No evidence of either county roads can be found on Google Maps, which also lists CR 21D as State Road 210.

http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/geomap/duva_c.pdf

So what's right here?

They're leftovers from yesteryear. 21D originally ran from SR 111 to US 1/23, then it was changed to run south of 111 to I-95. SR 21B did exist along Commonwealth from SR 103 to McDuff, and starting in 1981, it was also the original number for SR 129 along McDuff (after before the Commonwealth routing was decommissioned to CR 21B in 1983), which in itself (McDuff) was renumbered to its current number in 1985. There was also a 21G along Collins Road, but that looks to have been completely removed in the 60s.

Here's the 1974 reprint http://ufdc.ufl.edu/UF00016165/00001/1x?search=duval&vo=13&vp=2622,1554
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoadsGuy on March 02, 2012, 01:44:51 AM
Question for everyone out there. Albert Calis IMed me earlier today the question of the ghost on ramp on NB FL 112 by the airport after you cross the at-grade railroad crossing. I've seen it the many times I've driven by it just never thought about it. Does anyone know and shed some light to where it was suppose to connect to from the airport??
---
Gene Janczynskyi
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 02, 2012, 06:48:01 AM
Seeing how it connects to some airport maintenance or cargo facilities within Miami International Airport, I'm guessing it's probably a remnant of pre-9/11 security measures (note the covered inspection booths just SW of the ghost ramp).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: FLRoadsGuy on March 02, 2012, 09:27:15 AM
That booth has been there if you look at the Google Earth image 01/14/1994 so it was created when FDOT extended FL 112 to the airport in 1990 and before MIA was rebuilt and expanded.
---
Gene Janczynskyi
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 04, 2012, 10:37:07 PM
Today, I traveled to (mostly) Lake County to check some county roads out....

-Lake CR 42 has been realigned in Altoona, along the east side, eliminating the concurrency with SR 19 [and that includes all and any signage even relating to that, on the old routing :( ]. There is a traffic signal at the intersection and pentagon(!) county shields.
-Marion CR 42 also has some intersection improvements going on at CR 25. They've torn up about a 0.2 mile stretch of CR 42 in Weirsdale, between the Post Office and CR 25 [that stopped me from totally clinching this road  :angry: ]
-The new yellow toll banners aren't just for the Toll SR shields anymore. At the US 27/SR 19 intersection, they've been applied to free-standing Turnpike signs, along with added onto the BGSs.
-I don't know how Lake County found the money, but it seems like they've replaced a LOT of route signage on their county roads. Places I've been to in the past [Okahumpka, Lake Jem] look different this time around. It's as if they did it to just do it.
-There are two END shields, one each for CR 44A (this one ends at the 520-530 block of Rose St) and CR 450A in Umatilla, and one BEGIN shield for CR 448 in Lake Jem.
-Sumter CR 229 is shielded along CR 466, but only with JCT assemblies in each direction.
-Marion County seems to use two different fonts on its CR shields, when you're approaching them. The font on the JCT shields have a pointy "4", and the directionals have a softer font.
-Found some street sign blades that list CR 48 as "S.R. 48" and the SR 44 (between US 441 and Orange Avenue) as "CR 44B" and "SR 44B"
-Uni-signs have popped up on Orange Avenue in Eustis.
-Fruitland Park is experiencing growing pains with the widening of US 27/441.
-I only saw one of those US 441 shields with the extended black border, out in the wild.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 05, 2012, 04:54:31 AM
Some of the Lake County Route shields are hideously malformed uni-signs.

CR 42 is still a blast to drive on, admittedly. But there is a massive speed trap as you enter Altoona from the east, as you come down a hill going a posted 55, into a 35. There were three motorcycle cops there at the time, but my instincts sort of kicked in just at the top of the hill.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 09, 2012, 02:30:51 AM
Some of the Lake County Route shields are hideously malformed uni-signs.

They've even made the "ears" signs (the signs with both directional banners, one shield and a dual-connected arrow...indigenous to Marion and Lake Counties) into a unisign. That's just lazy.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on March 10, 2012, 11:39:52 PM
I've got good news from the Tampa Bay Metro Area;

The last exit on I-275 before terminating at I-75 in the Lutz-Wesley Chapel area has the proper Exit number; 59.

Previously, it was labeled Exit 275, just like on I-75, which made no sense at all.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 11, 2012, 03:02:09 AM
Found this three weeks ago...about the only reference to SR 821 in the field:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/7562/28227568011_b326ee6077_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/K1nEx6)

Edit: Updated image link.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 16, 2012, 12:09:03 AM
^^I like that!

On Sunday, I tracked across North Florida to get some last keys shields photographed.
 
-ALL colored shields along Alt 27 in Levy County are gone. The only holdout may be CR 241.
-Dixie CR 351 has proper Truck Route signing along US 19/98/27A in Cross City. Trucks are to use CR 351A, and a traffic light has been installed at CR 351A and the US-Triplex in Shamrock.
-A C-356C shield has been found in Perry (date stamped 9/75). Never knew this shield existed at all, and it proves that 356C was a true route and not just a map typo. 
-In Tallahassee, there is still remnant signage along the former routings of SR 366, SR 157 and SR 371 in downtown. (On a side note, the error sign on SR 373 EB at SR 363, which read SR 263 for Adams Street, has been rectified.)
-Twinning of US 90 east of town, out by I-10 is well underway.
-In Madison County, there was a black/white guide sign for Lee at the intersection of CRs 150 and 255 seen here http://g.co/maps/nta9e . This has been replaced with the standard green/white.
-Suwannee County (or FDOT and its contractors) has been implementing 'uni-shields' (a non-cutout pentagon) along County Route intersections. The I-10 off-ramps at CR 137 and CR 252 WB at US 129 have them; the latter replaced a keys shield.
-Luckily, the C-136 shield still stands in Suwannee County...with a date stamp of 1965.
-There was a C-248 in "Beachville" (Suwannee County where SR 247, CR 49 and CR 248 come together, seen here http://g.co/maps/a2znq ) which has been completely removed.
-Only one keys shield remains in Gilchrist County, at an unsigned county route. The one on CR 236 is gone, along with the C-344s which were on CR 307.
-In Gainesville, street-scaping of SR 329 from Depot Ave to NW/NE 8th Ave is complete. The single sign assembly of the concurrency of SR 20 and SR 329 has been replaced with a single SR 20 reassurance. There is also new Junction signage on both directions of Main Street at University Avenue showing that SR 20 and 26 go both directions on University, but lacks any notation of SR 24.
-The SR 26 bypass of Orange Heights is pretty much done. The bridge is open to traffic, but there's still some construction work going on to finish the project. On SR 26, both intersections of the "former" routing are signed "TO US 301" while the signs on US 301 are still the same with the SR 26 shield over a dual-direction arrow.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 11:31:04 AM
Found this three weeks ago...about the only reference to SR 821 in the field:


from the photo, it looks like one cannot enter SR-821.  but it's probably a matter of angles.  where is that street blade located? I would like to see which road cannot be entered (probably one coming in at an oblique angle is my guess)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 16, 2012, 11:40:42 AM
It's from heading north on US 27, as you pass by the southbound exit ramp from HEFT/821. Sorry, on my phone I can't link Street View, which actually shows the old signs in the traffic light pole. Must be a recent install.

I think you can enter 821 from there, the access ramps from US 27 ramps are kind unique for allowing you to enter it northbound from one side of the overpass and southbound frim the other side...at least, instead of the N/S split after the usual Turnpike toll booth. It's on of the few "free" exits, and there's lots of truck traffic in that area.

But the Do Not Enter sign is for the separation of the traffic that just exited the Turnpike.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 16, 2012, 12:42:43 PM
Found this three weeks ago...about the only reference to SR 821 in the field:


from the photo, it looks like one cannot enter SR-821.  but it's probably a matter of angles.  where is that street blade located? I would like to see which road cannot be entered (probably one coming in at an oblique angle is my guess)

Link to Bing Maps' street view. (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=25.902079999999998~-80.387039&lvl=18&dir=0&sty=x~lat~25.90208~lon~-80.387039~alt~-23.33~z~30~h~339.6~p~-1.6~pid~5082&app=5082&FORM=LMLTCC) The ramp to the turnpike is to the right, but in this view the street sign doesn't have the "821" reference. It's apparent in this picture that the "Do Not Enter" sign is meant to tell people not to drive to the left of the median separating the two sides of the ramp.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 12:57:07 PM
I had no idea that 821 was the Turnpike.  I had always thought that had reference number FL-91. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 16, 2012, 01:23:19 PM
I had no idea that 821 was the Turnpike.  I had always thought that had reference number FL-91. 

SR-821 is the Homestead extension of the Turnpike. SR-91 is the main portion, running from the split with I-75 in Wildwood down to the Golden Glades interchange with I-95 and SR-826 in Miami.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 02:07:43 PM

SR-821 is the Homestead extension of the Turnpike. SR-91 is the main portion, running from the split with I-75 in Wildwood down to the Golden Glades interchange with I-95 and SR-826 in Miami.

does Florida have unsigned state routes which are not given any other designation?  i.e. I-xx, US-xx, Florida's Turnpike, or some other name?  

I had thought that 821 fit that bill, and the find was an easter egg like finding a field designation for a Connecticut reference route.  (I think there is one in Conn... otherwise-unsigned route 839 posted on the side of an overpass, if I recall correctly.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 16, 2012, 02:33:58 PM

SR-821 is the Homestead extension of the Turnpike. SR-91 is the main portion, running from the split with I-75 in Wildwood down to the Golden Glades interchange with I-95 and SR-826 in Miami.

does Florida have unsigned state routes which are not given any other designation?  i.e. I-xx, US-xx, Florida's Turnpike, or some other name? 

I had thought that 821 fit that bill, and the find was an easter egg like finding a field designation for a Connecticut reference route.  (I think there is one in Conn... otherwise-unsigned route 839 posted on the side of an overpass, if I recall correctly.)

There are unsigned state routes in Florida. Usually they're short roads in urban areas. SR-5054 here in Melbourne is a good example, as are SR-970 and SR-913 in the Miami area. Other short urban state highways are often undersigned, at least in this part of Florida. SR-507 is a good example of that.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on March 16, 2012, 02:39:17 PM
There are unsigned state routes in Florida. Usually they're short roads in urban areas. SR-5054 here in Melbourne is a good example, as are SR-970 and SR-913 in the Miami area. Other short urban state highways are often undersigned, at least in this part of Florida. SR-507 is a good example of that.

and that leads to another question: why the four-digit designation?  I had thought 9336 was the only four-digit route, but it looks like there is unsigned 5054 as well.  were all the three-digit numbers in that section of the grid taken?

also: any other routes which are intended to be unsigned, but are signed?  I know there are some SR-5s for US-1 and the like, but I mean a route which is completely unsigned except for an easter egg or two.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 16, 2012, 04:13:54 PM
I had no idea that 821 was the Turnpike.  I had always thought that had reference number FL-91. 

SR-821 is the Homestead extension of the Turnpike. SR-91 is the main portion, running from the split with I-75 in Wildwood down to the Golden Glades interchange with I-95 and SR-826 in Miami.

Is that not considered part of the Turnpike system such that the phrase "the Turnpike" is inappropriate? (That's a serious question. Other than a football trip in November 2005, a visit to the Miami area to visit relatives last summer was the first time I've been to that area. We drove on a very minimal portion of the Homestead Extension, from Red Road east to the mainline before turning south to head downtown, and then later we used the mainline en route to visit another relative in Viera. I may use I-95 next time just to try to finish off one of the final three segments I need for a clinch.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 16, 2012, 04:34:53 PM
Is that not considered part of the Turnpike system such that the phrase "the Turnpike" is inappropriate? (That's a serious question. Other than a football trip in November 2005, a visit to the Miami area to visit relatives last summer was the first time I've been to that area. We drove on a very minimal portion of the Homestead Extension, from Red Road east to the mainline before turning south to head downtown, and then later we used the mainline en route to visit another relative in Viera. I may use I-95 next time just to try to finish off one of the final three segments I need for a clinch.)

Nope, it's considered part of "The Turnpike". The mile markers and exit numbers start at Florida City at the end of the Homestead Extension and are continuous all the way to I-75 northwest of Orlando. When driving south on the Turnpike, the exit for the Homestead Extension is simply signed with a Turnpike shield, with the rest of SR-91 signed as "Miami via I-95". The distinction between the HEFT and main Turnpike (SR-821 and SR-91) exist only on paper.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 16, 2012, 04:42:54 PM
There are unsigned state routes in Florida. Usually they're short roads in urban areas. SR-5054 here in Melbourne is a good example, as are SR-970 and SR-913 in the Miami area. Other short urban state highways are often undersigned, at least in this part of Florida. SR-507 is a good example of that.

and that leads to another question: why the four-digit designation?  I had thought 9336 was the only four-digit route, but it looks like there is unsigned 5054 as well.  were all the three-digit numbers in that section of the grid taken?

also: any other routes which are intended to be unsigned, but are signed?  I know there are some SR-5s for US-1 and the like, but I mean a route which is completely unsigned except for an easter egg or two.

Four-digit numbers were started in 1976 after so many numbers were duplicated; there were at least six sections of 225 in Marion, Alachua and Bradford Counties and at least six sections of 280 from Walton County to Jackson County in the Panhandle. Other numbers that were heavily duplicated include 278 and 158.

As for easter eggs...
SR 970 has two shields, one in each direction.
SR 620 has one shield, but is signed as SR 655 otherwise.
SR 114 used to be signed on I-95 BGSs.
SR 102 has one reassurance shield in each direction.
SR 500A is signed only at the SR 19 intersection in Tavares.
Then there's the famous, random SR 55 reassurance shield in Chiefland

And you also have error shield(s) like an SR 165 sign at the split of SR 71 and Jackson CR 165, and a strange Palm Beach County-made SR 711 shield on CR 706.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on March 16, 2012, 05:49:55 PM
Is that not considered part of the Turnpike system such that the phrase "the Turnpike" is inappropriate? (That's a serious question. Other than a football trip in November 2005, a visit to the Miami area to visit relatives last summer was the first time I've been to that area. We drove on a very minimal portion of the Homestead Extension, from Red Road east to the mainline before turning south to head downtown, and then later we used the mainline en route to visit another relative in Viera. I may use I-95 next time just to try to finish off one of the final three segments I need for a clinch.)

Nope, it's considered part of "The Turnpike". The mile markers and exit numbers start at Florida City at the end of the Homestead Extension and are continuous all the way to I-75 northwest of Orlando. When driving south on the Turnpike, the exit for the Homestead Extension is simply signed with a Turnpike shield, with the rest of SR-91 signed as "Miami via I-95". The distinction between the HEFT and main Turnpike (SR-821 and SR-91) exist only on paper.

Thanks. I'm more familiar with the Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maine Turnpikes, and with the New York Thruway, simply because I've travelled north far more often than I've travelled south (when I was a kid, our father refused to go south on vacation other than a few trips to Nags Head in the 1970s). The most significant extension there is the Northeast Extension in Pennsylvania and it's universally referred to that way, but I guess the big difference between there and the Homestead Extension in Florida is that the mainline Pennsylvania Turnpike still has more than a minimal segment to the east of the Northeast Extension, whereas the mainline in Florida ends almost immediately after the Homestead Extension splits off. That's kind of why in my mind I perceived the whole thing as simply "the Turnpike" without distinguishing between the extension and the mainline.

As I think about it, I suppose if you're giving directions from outside the Miami area the distinction may matter simply because you have to "exit" from the mainline to the Homestead Extension, so if you fail to mention this someone might just keep straight ahead and get dumped onto I-95, but if you were just giving directions from, say, my brother-in-law's house in Pembroke Pines to Key West you could just say "take US-27 south to the Turnpike entrance, get on the Turnpike south, follow it to its end and then take US-1 the rest of the way." In that situation the distinction seems like it wouldn't really matter.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 16, 2012, 08:11:34 PM
Usually traffic reports in the area refer to "the Extension". There's that little 4-mile section of the mainline Florida's Turnpike that's south of its split, and terminates at SR 9, I-95, SR 826, which was its original starting point. The exit for the Sun Life Stadium (whatever they call it this year) is labelled 2X, in case there was any confusion beyween that and non-existent Exit 2 for the Homestead Extension. So reporters in the field and locals call it The Extension, but never State Road 821, because no sign has ever really existed in the field. Most secret route numbers remain hidden as such along Interstates and US Routes (a few exceptions, unlike Georgia for example), and the Turnpikes.

Florida's funny about those Easter eggs; most numbered routes have at least one sign, although usually county routes get the short shrift in urban/suburban areas where there's a high density of shielded routes already.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on March 16, 2012, 10:32:23 PM
SR 102 has one reassurance shield in each direction.

102 has two shields?  I've never seen a second one.  I've only seen a WB shield (http://g.co/maps/n2bq2) @ Duval Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 17, 2012, 05:04:57 AM
SR 102 has one reassurance shield in each direction.

102 has two shields?  I've never seen a second one.  I've only seen a WB shield (http://g.co/maps/n2bq2) @ Duval Road.

My mistake. I was guessing off the top of my head  :-D
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 17, 2012, 06:19:15 AM
Looks like more 9A signs are being changed to 295: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-03-12/story/9a-steadily-becoming-i-295-beltway
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on March 17, 2012, 10:20:43 PM
Why do some maps refer to FL 821 (or the Homestead Extension) as the West Dade Expressway? 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 17, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
Why do some maps refer to FL 821 (or the Homestead Extension) as the West Dade Expressway? 
I'd teach you to fish but the mods won't let me.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on March 19, 2012, 07:57:31 PM
Why do some maps refer to FL 821 (or the Homestead Extension) as the West Dade Expressway? 
I'd teach you to fish but the mods won't let me.
And I still think deprecation is a valuable part of this forum. Answer to the question: Google the terms you asked.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 20, 2012, 04:55:21 AM
Bit of a moot point, since nobody calls it that. I've seen some old maps from years ago use it, but I've never heard anyone describe it as such since living in the area since 1982.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 20, 2012, 03:24:10 PM
Bit of a moot point, since nobody calls it that. I've seen some old maps from years ago use it, but I've never heard anyone describe it as such since living in the area since 1982.

for continuity I would like to see the HEFT along with the mainline FL turnpike signed as TOLL 91 from Homestead to Wildwood.  It isprpbably only known to roadgeeks and GPS as SR 91.  But I like the idea and it would make the mile-based exits all on the same State Road
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on March 20, 2012, 04:38:20 PM
for continuity I would like to see the HEFT along with the mainline FL turnpike signed as TOLL 91 from Homestead to Wildwood.  It isprpbably only known to roadgeeks and GPS as SR 91.  But I like the idea and it would make the mile-based exits all on the same State Road

They'd have to go replace all of the Turnpike signs. That's expensive. Like you said, only road geeks care about the hidden state designations. There are much better ways to spend our tax dollars IMO. Besides, everyone knows it as the Turnpike. It was bad enough when Orlando switched expressway signage to numbers; this would just cause unnecessary confusion for everyone who isn't a road geek (i.e. almost everyone).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 20, 2012, 05:08:16 PM
for continuity I would like to see the HEFT along with the mainline FL turnpike signed as TOLL 91 from Homestead to Wildwood.  It isprpbably only known to roadgeeks and GPS as SR 91.  But I like the idea and it would make the mile-based exits all on the same State Road

They'd have to go replace all of the Turnpike signs. That's expensive. Like you said, only road geeks care about the hidden state designations. There are much better ways to spend our tax dollars IMO. Besides, everyone knows it as the Turnpike. It was bad enough when Orlando switched expressway signage to numbers; this would just cause unnecessary confusion for everyone who isn't a road geek (i.e. almost everyone).

There are tons of confused people here in Jax with the change from SR 9A to I-295 East Beltway.  But why not just change the HEFT to SR 91.  Or we could go nuts and have a Southern I-91
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on March 20, 2012, 09:19:10 PM
Drove the recently decommissioned SR 290 today from end to end. Shields are still in place for the route along U.S. 90, after SR 291 in both directions and on both directions of SR 291, and on CR 95A north and south. Missing are the first west and eastbound (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida200/fl-290_eb_begin.jpg) reassurance markers, though those have been gone for years now. Oddly the SR 291 shield assembly (http://www.southeastroads.com/florida200/fl-290_eb_at_fl-291.jpg) on Olive Road east disappeared some years ago too.

The extended SR 750 has shields posted after SR 289 and SR 291 in both directions, but still nothing at U.S. 29.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 21, 2012, 02:19:44 PM
In the planning stages of working on some Interstate 75 pages in Florida, I came across this change I forgot to mention about in my travel back to lower Alabama from southwest Florida:

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-075_nb_exit_229_01.jpg)
Until sometime in mid-2011, signage approaching this interchange reflected Exit 229 as being Mantaee County 6, not Manatee County 683. Photo taken 12/26/2011 by ABRoads.

(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/i-075_nb_exit_229_03.jpg)
Until sometime in mid-2011, signage at this interchange reflected Exit 229 as being Mantaee County 6, not Manatee County 683. Photo taken 12/26/2011 by ABRoads.

However, there was no visible signage indicating Manatee County 683 at the bottom of the off-ramp, nor on eastbound Moccasin-Wallow Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on March 21, 2012, 03:36:09 PM
Huh. They finally changed CR 6. FDOT actually inventories it as CR 675 except for the westernmost 3/4 mile (west of Gillette, where old SR 683 turned south).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 21, 2012, 04:39:05 PM
Always wondered why it was CR 6. Just a long-time error, or completely intentional?

Geez, it's been that way to my eyes since 1992.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on March 22, 2012, 12:45:24 AM
Always wondered why it was CR 6. Just a long-time error, or completely intentional?

Geez, it's been that way to my eyes since 1992.

I think it's intentional as there's been a CR 10 on Erie Road, shown on Manatee County highway maps.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: flaroads on March 28, 2012, 08:57:57 PM
Looks like FDOT is going to launch some toll studies for the Tampa Bay area interstates over the summer:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/transportation/roads/idea-of-toll-lanes-to-be-studied-for-tampa-bays-interstates/1221603 (http://www.tampabay.com/news/transportation/roads/idea-of-toll-lanes-to-be-studied-for-tampa-bays-interstates/1221603)

If this were to come to fruition, it would add a lot of "Lexus lane" mileage to the interstate system.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 29, 2012, 09:41:52 AM
Looks like more 9A signs are being changed to 295: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2012-03-12/story/9a-steadily-becoming-i-295-beltway

SR 9A will be relegated to the secret knowledge of road-geekdome.  We all know that I-295 IS SR 9A
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on March 29, 2012, 11:01:54 AM
SR 9A will be relegated to the secret knowledge of road-geekdome.  We all know that I-295 IS SR9A.

...along with I-95 south of the Golden Glades Interchange.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on March 29, 2012, 12:24:34 PM
SR 9A will be relegated to the secret knowledge of road-geekdome.  We all know that I-295 IS SR9A.

...along with I-95 south of the Golden Glades Interchange.

I forgot about that. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on April 11, 2012, 12:08:57 AM
Update on the I-95 widening project in Brevard County:

The new inner lanes are paved and guardrails set up between Garden Street (SR 406) and Fox Lake Road and from the Beachline to Port St. John Parkway.  Grading and preparations for paving are occurring from south of the Fox Lake Road overpass to State Road 50 and from the Port St. John Parkway overpass to just short of the Ranch Road overpass.

Progress is also being made on widening the bridge over the Addison Canal and the widening of the interstate at the SR 50 interchange (the last time I took that exit they were setting pilings for the bridge).

The only areas not yet touched are between north of Ranch Road and south of the Addison Canal, but they seem to be moving at a good clip.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 11, 2012, 05:47:53 PM
(http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fdot_clearview_sign_on_i-10.jpg) (http://www.aaroads.com/forum_images/southeast/fdot_clearview_sign_on_i-10.jpg)

The recently observed FDOT-installed Clearview sign along Interstate 10.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 12, 2012, 07:34:38 PM
FDOT is planning a Baldwin bypass on US 301: http://www.us301northflorida.com/us301northflorida/News/NewsDetail.aspx?NewsID=69
Interesting that they bought right-of-way in the 1970s.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 14, 2012, 05:03:37 AM
I like the routing of the 1970s ROW since it seems to be less tedious and time-consuming than building a completely new intersection south of town which will (from the looks of it) be controlled by a traffic signal. It also keeps traffic on a straighter path through Baldwin.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 14, 2012, 06:02:52 AM
The new alignment has the advantage of going over the railroad, a major line from Jacksonville west into the Panhandle.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on April 14, 2012, 07:53:15 PM
Found this three weeks ago...about the only reference to SR 821 in the field:
Before they pulled out the toll booths and replaced the HEFT signage in the last year or so, the BGS's on northbound US 27 near that exit actually had FL 821 shields posted on them.  I thought I had a picture of that assembly but I'll be darned if I can find it now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 14, 2012, 08:25:30 PM
Found this three weeks ago...about the only reference to SR 821 in the field:
Before they pulled out the toll booths and replaced the HEFT signage in the last year or so, the BGS's on northbound US 27 near that exit actually had FL 821 shields posted on them.  I thought I had a picture of that assembly but I'll be darned if I can find it now.

Okay, so I know I'm not going nuts...saw that myself back in '93. Maybe it's because  US 27 was the original terminus of the HEFT, or that everything around a US Route always seems to demand a greater level of "precision" in signage.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 15, 2012, 12:04:52 PM
^^I like that!

On Sunday, I tracked across North Florida to get some last keys shields photographed.
 
-ALL colored shields along Alt 27 in Levy County are gone. The only holdout may be CR 241.
Even this one on Southbound Levy CR 341?
(http://img111.imagevenue.com/loc65/th_01458_US19_98_ALT27SignonLCR341Nov_282005_122_65lo.jpg) (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=01458_US19_98_ALT27SignonLCR341Nov_282005_122_65lo.jpg)
That sucks. It also sucks that I can't get a bigger version posted on Image Venue.



Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 15, 2012, 02:36:23 PM
^^I like that!

On Sunday, I tracked across North Florida to get some last keys shields photographed.
 
-ALL colored shields along Alt 27 in Levy County are gone. The only holdout may be CR 241.
Even this one on Southbound Levy CR 341?
That sucks. It also sucks that I can't get a bigger version posted on Image Venue.


Yes, verified that was gone in December 2011. As mefailenglish reported, none of the US 19-27A-98 colored shields are left.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on April 15, 2012, 07:50:25 PM
Yes, verified that was gone in December 2011. As mefailenglish reported, none of the US 19-27A-98 colored shields are left.
If it's any consolation, I found a couple of "new" (to me) Green 27 shields this weekend while roading around Glades, Hendry, and Highlands Counties.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20120414%20-%20Glades-Highlands/DSCF0008.jpg)
Instead of taking 27 up the whole way, I decided to drive CR 720, which loops much closer to Lake Okeechobee than US 27.  It's a narrow two-lane road with a rather sharp (for Florida standards) dropoff on either side.  This was the only shield I saw in either direction along the entire route.  I almost hit a baby gator who was lying half on the shoulder/incline and half in my lane.  He moved out of my way in time.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20120414%20-%20Glades-Highlands/DSCF0015.jpg)
The only Glades CR 721A shield on the route.  It's a spur of CR 721 in the middle of the Brighton Seminole reservation.  I took this route on my way back south; it turned into a dirt road (Red Barn Road) and ends at the bizarre stub of CR 74 (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20120414%20-%20Glades-Highlands/DSCF0016.jpg) (which is signed North despite running due east/west) in Lakeport.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20120414%20-%20Glades-Highlands/DSCF0014.jpg)
This C-721 shield is posted just south of SR 70.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20120414%20-%20Glades-Highlands/DSCF0012.jpg)
Here's one of them.  On CR 17 north of Lake Placid (the piece of CR 17 that runs between US 27 and US 98).

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20120414%20-%20Glades-Highlands/DSCF0013.jpg)
Here's the other.  This one is on CR 29, south of Lake Placid.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on April 15, 2012, 10:54:44 PM
Is FL 56 ever going to go beyond Bruce B. Downs Boulevard in Pasco County?  FL 54 is too congested from I-75 to Zephyrhills and there is hardly any ROW to widen it, and extending FL 56 as a four lane expressway with it zoned for no businesses would be best all the way to FL 39.  Right now from Orlando to Pasco County you need to either go west on SR 50 to I-75 or I-4 to either US 98 or SR 39 or all the way to I-75 to reach there. 

If you went all the way to the New Port Richey area having FL 56 to FL 39 would be a godsend as you would have a nice clean run if this corridor was completed to here at least.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on April 15, 2012, 11:04:17 PM
CR 720 is not to be fooled with in Glades County; zero run-off for much of the route. It used to be in really poor shape (no guardrails, very bumpy) until recently.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 15, 2012, 11:39:50 PM
Is FL 56 ever going to go beyond Bruce B. Downs Boulevard in Pasco County?
It already does. It's planned to go farther to SR 39. See page 11/38 of the summary report here: http://www.pascocountyfl.net/index.aspx?NID=327
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on April 16, 2012, 06:49:50 PM
Is FL 56 ever going to go beyond Bruce B. Downs Boulevard in Pasco County?
It already does. It's planned to go farther to SR 39. See page 11/38 of the summary report here: http://www.pascocountyfl.net/index.aspx?NID=327
Right now it only goes to Meadow Pointe Boulevard, but I thought the eastern terminus was supposed to be at US 301.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 17, 2012, 12:21:40 AM
Very interesting...

SR 160 has been added to the SHS on March 26th. It consists of Timberlane Road between SR 61 (Thomasville Rd) and SR 261/US 319 (Capital Circle NE) for a total of 0.114 miles.

So this is SR 162's (Raymond Diehl Rd) little sibling.


EtA: SR 293 from the just north of the Toll Plaza to SR 20 has been turned over to Okaloosa County (1.676 miles), and a tiny section near the toll plaza where the realigned portion is has been physically removed with the r/w retained per a realignment (0.139 miles).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 17, 2012, 01:07:56 AM
SR 160 has been added to the SHS on March 26th. It consists of Timberlane Road between SR 61 (Thomasville Rd) and SR 261/US 319 (Capital Circle NE) for a total of 0.114 miles.
Is this signed for any movements? Seems that they could close the left from SR 61 north onto I-10 west by using this.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 17, 2012, 01:15:15 AM
SR 160 has been added to the SHS on March 26th. It consists of Timberlane Road between SR 61 (Thomasville Rd) and SR 261/US 319 (Capital Circle NE) for a total of 0.114 miles.
Is this signed for any movements? Seems that they could close the left from SR 61 north onto I-10 west by using this.

Now, it's just a single, stand-alone 'TO I-10' trailblazer. I'm pretty sure previous to the additional I-10 interchange on US 319 itself it was signed for I-10 West if you were coming north on US 319. [Will locate some photos of mine to see if I took any.]
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 22, 2012, 06:57:24 AM
FL-392A seems to be having an identity crisis.  At both of it's ends @ FL-30, it's posted at FL-392 (1 (http://g.co/maps/euzgy), 2 (http://g.co/maps/ueytj), & 3 (http://g.co/maps/s2f8w)).  However, I've found the following two+ shields (1 (http://g.co/maps/z5xx9) & 2 (http://g.co/maps/f3gtg)) in the middle of the route that have the "A" in them.  I know, the GIS data shows the route as 392A, but FDOT needs to post it properly as 392A or just renumber it as 392.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on April 22, 2012, 07:43:39 AM
Or make it part of 30.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on April 26, 2012, 03:08:26 AM
FL-392A seems to be having an identity crisis.  At both of it's ends @ FL-30, it's posted at FL-392 (1 (http://g.co/maps/euzgy), 2 (http://g.co/maps/ueytj), & 3 (http://g.co/maps/s2f8w)).  However, I've found the following two+ shields (1 (http://g.co/maps/z5xx9) & 2 (http://g.co/maps/f3gtg)) in the middle of the route that have the "A" in them.  I know, the GIS data shows the route as 392A, but FDOT needs to post it properly as 392A or just renumber it as 392.

There's also a couple of Keys shields on a side road stating 392.
-----------------------

Took a trip to the Jacksonville area earlier today.

Things that have been removed:
-The C-110 shield on Duval Road
-Former US 17's routing on Roosevelt, now street-signed as Old Roosevelt, between US 17 and SR 129. All four lanes of concrete have been completely ripped up. Also, part of Post Street between McDuff and the former one-way pair split has been completely ripped up. Any traffic signals facing in either of those directions have been body-bagged.
-SR 9A shields on the East Beltway. It's all signed as I-295 [except the signs have not been changed on I-95 NB at Exit 337]. Heading south on I-295 from Orange Park, the I-95 exit is listed as Exit 61A-B even though you just passed Exit 3 (Old St. Augustine Rd).

Newly discovered items:
-The Clark Road on-ramp indeed has a button-copy BGS for I-95. All of it is button-copy except for the shield.
-Not one, but TWO S-125 shields tucked away in Baker County. The dates on the back looked to be stamped 1968 and they haven't changed any bit since then.
-The two C-15A shields in Nassau County. Probably because the road itself is not signed properly  at its termini.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on April 26, 2012, 03:26:06 AM
Things that have been removed:
-The C-110 shield on Duval Road

Dang it, I wanted to get a new shot of it the next time I was down there with my new camera. :(

-SR 9A shields on the East Beltway. It's all signed as I-295 [except the signs have not been changed on I-95 NB at Exit 337]. Heading south on I-295 from Orange Park, the I-95 exit is listed as Exit 61A-B even though you just passed Exit 3 (Old St. Augustine Rd).

It's been posted as 61A/B since the entire interchange opened once reconstructed. I have pictures from at least '06 showing the numbers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on April 26, 2012, 05:56:20 PM
I wrote FDOT about the lack of CR 399 signage on US 98 at Navarre Beach Causeway (there is only one sign, and it is an eastbound JCT shield) in December. Received a copy of a traffic operations request evaluation/recommendation yesterday for the installation of the missing signs.

CR 399 was FL 399, but maintenance of the roadway was turned over from the state to the county in 2004 when tolls were removed from the Navarre Beach Bridge. State road signage was still in place until sometime in 2006, when all shields disappeared. More at https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=c0399fl
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on April 26, 2012, 06:46:17 PM
-The two C-15A shields in Nassau County. Probably because the road itself is not signed properly  at its termini.
I stumbled on one of those just by pure accident.  Caught it out of the corner of my eye while driving up 301.

-Not one, but TWO S-125 shields tucked away in Baker County. The dates on the back looked to be stamped 1968 and they haven't changed any bit since then.
NICE.  Looks like I need to head to Baker County.  Maybe in two weeks.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 05, 2012, 01:47:57 PM
Some highlights from the past month.

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P4250506.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P3110339.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P3110275.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P3100015.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 05, 2012, 01:50:57 PM
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P3100017-1-1.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P3110294.jpg)

This is on Clark Road in Jax.
(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P4240295.jpg)

(http://i696.photobucket.com/albums/vv321/FLroadgeek/P4240296.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 05, 2012, 02:04:59 PM

-SR 9A shields on the East Beltway. It's all signed as I-295 [except the signs have not been changed on I-95 NB at Exit 337]. Heading south on I-295 from Orange Park, the I-95 exit is listed as Exit 61A-B even though you just passed Exit 3 (Old St. Augustine Rd).

It's been posted as 61A/B since the entire interchange opened once reconstructed. I have pictures from at least '06 showing the numbers.

I didn't realize it was posted like that. Hadn't been on that stretch of I-295 since it was connected with SR 9A.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on May 07, 2012, 06:41:38 PM
I see a new overpass being constructed across I-4 in the Lake Buena Vista area.  The project takes place between Central Florida Parkway (Exit 71) and SR 535 (Exit 68).   Piles are now driven in to the ground for the retaining walls, but I was wondering what road this will be when completed.

Of course it is a developer to the east side of the interstate flipping the bill for his development.  Will it go between two major roads when completed, or is it just a spur of Palm Parkway where I assume it will connect west of I-4?

Also, new signage has been erected EB on I-4 at SR 528 with the airport logos with the International Airport along with the two full gantries removed.  Now the two at exit signs are on half gantries and up to date and with the airplane logo it should help international tourists out better.  I have not been this way in months, so I assume it was done earlier this year sometime.  Around Christmas last year the old signs were still up when I visited there last.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 07, 2012, 06:52:10 PM
I see a new overpass being constructed across I-4 in the Lake Buena Vista area.  The project takes place between Central Florida Parkway (Exit 71) and SR 535 (Exit 68).   Piles are now driven in to the ground for the retaining walls, but I was wondering what road this will be when completed.
http://www.ocfl.net/TrafficTransportation/RoadwayProjects/WildwoodAreaRoadNetworkIIRCA.aspx
The road will be named Wildwood Avenue.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 09, 2012, 12:27:01 PM
New State Road 429 Toll shields with the yellow banners are making their appearances in Orlando. These are at the intersection of FL 429 and Orange CR 535.

There are still some green-bannered trailblazers posted closer to the actual on/off-ramps. The original green-bannered signs that these yellow-bannered ones replaced seemed to be in good condition (at least last time I saw them in October of last year), so … I guess there goes the assumption that the old signs are being replaced as they wear out.

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-09_Yellow429Toll/WP_000354.jpg)

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-09_Yellow429Toll/WP_000355.jpg)

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-09_Yellow429Toll/WP_000362.jpg)

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-09_Yellow429Toll/WP_000363.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on May 09, 2012, 01:14:04 PM
Florida enjoys replacing perfectly good (or even great) signs with new ones. In about 5 years, the orange border will fade...although I kind of like the orange border.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on May 09, 2012, 01:32:29 PM
Florida enjoys replacing perfectly good (or even great) signs with new ones.

even the counties are getting into it now ... but luckily there still remain signs as old as the late 1950s if you know where to look.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on May 09, 2012, 07:39:26 PM
I liked the orange outline with the green banner, but am I the only one here who doesn't like the look of the orange outline with the yellow banner?

At least they seem to be keeping the green for reassurance markers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 10, 2012, 12:18:29 PM
I think the orange state outline with the yellow toll banner looks funky too. The two colors don't really go together in my opinion. The green and orange sort of reminds me of an orange tree (now that I think about it) which is very appropriate for Florida. But the black state outline with the yellow toll banner signs are really growing on me and I'm starting to like those more and more.

Also, I'm expecting them to replace the shields on directional signs on BGSs (they did some in Miami) but those are of course more expensive than simple trailblazers or standalone directional signs/reassurance markers.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 10, 2012, 01:07:45 PM
CR 720 is not to be fooled with in Glades County; zero run-off for much of the route. It used to be in really poor shape (no guardrails, very bumpy) until recently.

Surprising since it was a Primary State Road and was the last SR decommissioned in the early 80s, down in Glades County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 10, 2012, 02:13:14 PM
I got a chance to check out the new alignment and construction on SR 429 today. Not sure if this was mentioned earlier in the thread, so I'll just post my observations.

As of today, there is still not complete direct access to/from 429 and 414. 429 at the 414 interchange is reduced to one lane in each direction, and lanes from 414 (when they open) join to 429 to make it two lanes in each direction again.

On 429 north of 414 (both directions) there are new mileposts that reference SR 451. South of the interchange, the mileposts are the same, but have SR 429 on them. The mileposts are similar to Louisiana's where they post the direction, road shield, and mile number on a "uni-sign". The ones on 429 (and on "unmarked" 451) appear to be posted every half mile. I haven't gotten a chance to drive on any other toll roads yet (except for the Turnpike) on this trip, but I will probably get a chance to drive on 408 so I'll report if 408 has these new mileposts as well.

On 429 as well as on "unmarked" 451, the reassurance markers are also uni-signs, but I didn't catch any 451 reassurance markers - the 451 number is only on the mileposts.

It appears a new sign bridge is going up just north of the Forest Park toll barrier. The sign bridge has BGSs for CR 437 (or 437A) on one side and the E-Pass/Cash lanes signs for the other side. I didn't get a chance to get a picture of these because the sign bridge was sideways in the median of the roadway.

I took some other miscellaneous pictures of the mileposts, reassurance markers, and construction and I'll post these as soon as I get them from my camera.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 10, 2012, 02:35:45 PM
New mileposts with State Road 451. Mileage starts at the interchange of 429, 414, and future 451.

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-10_429NewAlignment/WP_000365.jpg)

New BGSs for accessing 414 East from 429 South and future 451 South.

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-10_429NewAlignment/WP_000367.jpg)

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-10_429NewAlignment/WP_000368.jpg)

"TO State Road 429 South". Because under this overpass are the lanes for future 429 (and future 414?).

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-10_429NewAlignment/WP_000377.jpg)

These are the aforementioned lanes of future 429:

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-10_429NewAlignment/WP_000384.jpg)

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-10_429NewAlignment/WP_000387.jpg)

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-10_429NewAlignment/WP_000390.jpg)

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-10_429NewAlignment/WP_000391.jpg)

And the last picture: the uni-sign reassurance marker for SR 429.

(http://astareglobe.org/public/roads/2012-05-10_429NewAlignment/WP_000402.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 10, 2012, 02:42:12 PM
Photos from February, before the new direct ramp from 429 south to 414 east opened: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2017.msg134673#msg134673

The remaining connections between 414 and 429 will open Sunday: https://www.oocea.com/TravelersExpressways/UpdatesAlerts/AlertDetails.aspx?id=48
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Ace10 on May 10, 2012, 02:49:50 PM
Thanks for the news link, NE2. I've been out of Florida for about 9 months so I've been out of the loop with all the new construction going on. I feel kind of lucky to have captured the last remaining days before the new connections open.

I'll try to get up there again with a dedicated photographer with a MUCH better camera to document the last few days of construction.

It's nice to see all the construction coming together now.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on May 19, 2012, 06:22:33 PM
Huh. They finally changed CR 6. FDOT actually inventories it as CR 675 except for the westernmost 3/4 mile (west of Gillette, where old SR 683 turned south).
Really? I'm getting CR 675 on two other roads:
http://www.dot.state.fl.us/surveyingandmapping/geomap/Mana_c.pdf

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 19, 2012, 06:41:19 PM
The federal aid report shows it as CR 675: http://www.dot.state.fl.us/planning/statistics/fedaid/fedaidrpt.pdf p. 20
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on May 20, 2012, 11:30:08 AM
SR 429 north today:
(http://i49.tinypic.com/sc9d9s.jpg)
(http://i46.tinypic.com/ndps8m.jpg)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/15379cl.jpg)
(http://i48.tinypic.com/n51kt3.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on May 26, 2012, 02:15:03 PM
They recently activated variable speed limit signs on US 27 in Broward County between Pines Blvd and Griffin Rd (the stretch where the speed limit drops from 65 to 55 and 50).  I'm going to try to get some pictures tomorrow.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 28, 2012, 01:45:15 AM
For those interested, Straight-Line Diagrams are now available!

http://www2.dot.state.fl.us/straight-linesonline/home.aspx


edit:
Some interesting notes. SR 527 is shown being concurrent with SR 426 from the split-off up to Park Avenue, so that'd make SR 527 have three separate sections.

Lots of I-95 on- and off-ramps are listed in Palm Beach County.

SR 48 is shown concurrent with SR 19 from CR 48 to Central Ave in Howey-in-the-Hills.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mefailenglish on May 28, 2012, 09:43:45 AM
The variable speed limit zone on US 27 (FL 25) in Broward County:

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20120528%20-%20US27%20Broward%20Variable%20Speed%20Limit/DSCF0001.jpg)
Heading northbound past Pembroke Road.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20120528%20-%20US27%20Broward%20Variable%20Speed%20Limit/DSCF0002.jpg)
Approaching Pines Blvd/FL 820.  The variable speed limit signs shows 50 mph, which is exactly what the old sign showed.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20120528%20-%20US27%20Broward%20Variable%20Speed%20Limit/DSCF0010.jpg)
Farther up, beyond Sheridan St.  The variable speed limit sign shows 55 mph, again exactly what the old sign showed.

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/jcm9572/20120528%20-%20US27%20Broward%20Variable%20Speed%20Limit/DSCF0012.jpg)
The variable speed limit zone ends beyond Griffin Rd.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on May 31, 2012, 01:50:16 AM
New, but not-so new proposal for a future SR 313 in St. Augustine.

ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 02, 2012, 02:24:05 PM
Had some business to take care of in Fort Pierce Thursday so I was able to take a look at the construction progress of widening I-95 in St. Lucie County.

Construction is in full swing from the section of I-95 between SR 60 in Vero Beach south to SR 70 in Fort Pierce; the new center lanes are paved and guardrails were being put in place between SR 68 (Orange Avenue) and SR 614 (Indrio Road), while the center median strip was being graded and prepared from north of SR 614 to SR 60.  The overpasses at SR 614 and SR 713 are currently being widened as well as the overpass over the canal by the rest stop.

There is also widening taking place from the Brevard/Indian River county line for approximately two miles northward with new asphalt pavement on the traveling lanes.

The widening between SR 406 and SR 528 in Brevard is continuing; the center lanes of the little bridge over the Addison Canal is complete and there are lane shifts to the inner lanes there.  Grading and paving of the center lanes is continuing between Fox Lake Road and SR 50 in Titusville and from just south of Port St. John Parkway to Ranch Road in Port St. John.  The work on the overpass as SR 50 is continuing.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on June 03, 2012, 06:43:55 AM
New, but not-so new proposal for a future SR 313 in St. Augustine.

ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf
I will admit that I haven't been to St. Augustine a long (too damn long) time, but is there really a need for what looks to be a bypass? From what I remember in years past, traffic used to flow quite well on US 1, even despite all the traffic lights, particulary the one at SR-312.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Stephane Dumas on June 03, 2012, 10:18:54 AM
I spotted a map showing the proposed 2030 expressway plans of OOCEA
https://www.oocea.com/Portals/0/Images/temp/2030_ConceptDevMap.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on June 03, 2012, 01:34:20 PM
I spotted a map showing the proposed 2030 expressway plans of OOCEA
https://www.oocea.com/Portals/0/Images/temp/2030_ConceptDevMap.jpg

I remember seeing this report on their website a year or so ago.

They'll be lucky to get the Wekiva Parkway completed, much less the rest.  I'd love to see the SR 408 extension-the traffic from the current end of the 408 to Bithlo is absolutely atrocious, especially on the weekend; I'd be happy if they just extended it to the 50/520 split.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on June 03, 2012, 05:13:24 PM
For awhile, the OOCEA projected project maps were showing an extension of SR-404 (Pineda Causeway) in Melbourne out to the southern extension of the 417. I guess that wasn't feasible. At least they're showing a shortcut from 192 up to the 417 in St. Cloud.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 06, 2012, 01:34:20 PM
New, but not-so new proposal for a future SR 313 in St. Augustine.

ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf
I will admit that I haven't been to St. Augustine a long (too damn long) time, but is there really a need for what looks to be a bypass? From what I remember in years past, traffic used to flow quite well on US 1, even despite all the traffic lights, particulary the one at SR-312.

I'm guessing that they want it for better access to/from St. Augustine Beach to the outlet malls...or as another evacuation route to funnel traffic up to SR 16...or to include better access to Northeast Florida Regional Airport from I-95.

The only good thing about the road is it will be limited access with two interchanges, one at CR 214 and the other at SR 16.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 06, 2012, 01:39:16 PM
The only good thing about the road is it will be limited access with two interchanges, one at CR 214 and the other at SR 16.
Is there a map showing the interchanges? Or have plans not been finalized?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 06, 2012, 01:51:00 PM
The only good thing about the road is it will be limited access with two interchanges, one at CR 214 and the other at SR 16.
Is there a map showing the interchanges? Or have plans not been finalized?

Yes and yes. This is the map:
ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf

Related articles:
http://staugustine.firstcoastnews.com/news/transportation/69443-fdot-public-hearing-thursday-proposed-western-bypass

http://m.staugustine.com/news/local-news/2012-01-12
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 06, 2012, 02:13:35 PM
The only good thing about the road is it will be limited access with two interchanges, one at CR 214 and the other at SR 16.
Is there a map showing the interchanges? Or have plans not been finalized?

Yes and yes. This is the map:
ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf

Wrong link? All I see is at-grade intersections.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on June 06, 2012, 03:04:56 PM
New, but not-so new proposal for a future SR 313 in St. Augustine.

ftp://ftp.bocc.co.st-johns.fl.us/gis/media/MapMart/SR313.pdf
I will admit that I haven't been to St. Augustine a long (too damn long) time, but is there really a need for what looks to be a bypass? From what I remember in years past, traffic used to flow quite well on US 1, even despite all the traffic lights, particulary the one at SR-312.

St Augustine is really becoming more and more a suburb of Jacksonville.  Northern St Johns County is pretty much suburbs.  The entire county is growing and Flagler County to the south has grown tremendously... in 2000 it was the fastest grwoing county in the US. St A is the bigger shopping destination for Palm Coast. 

The growth added to the tourist traffic has St A pretty congested especially from CR 214 to SR 312.  US 1 from Jax to St A used to be faster than taking 95 the speed limit was 65 for most of the way... not so much anymore. There are a lot more traffic lights and busineses in Southern Duval and Norhtern St Johns
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on June 06, 2012, 06:37:58 PM

Wrong link? All I see is at-grade intersections.

http://www.co.st-johns.fl.us/media/LegislativeActionPlan.pdf

"g) Funding assistance is requested for two portions of the SR 313 Extension/Bypass: the southern portion of the SR 313 Bypass, between the SR 16 interchange, and the current terminus of SR 312 at SR 207."

This was the last thing I read about this project, so that stuck with me. My bad, they are at-grade intersections.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on June 07, 2012, 05:55:17 AM
St Augustine is really becoming more and more a suburb of Jacksonville.  Northern St Johns County is pretty much suburbs.  The entire county is growing and Flagler County to the south has grown tremendously... in 2000 it was the fastest grwoing county in the US. St A is the bigger shopping destination for Palm Coast. 

The growth added to the tourist traffic has St A pretty congested especially from CR 214 to SR 312.  US 1 from Jax to St A used to be faster than taking 95 the speed limit was 65 for most of the way... not so much anymore. There are a lot more traffic lights and busineses in Southern Duval and Norhtern St Johns
Truth be told I had completely forgotten about all the massive growth in between JAX and St. Augustine, particularly Nocatee. And true, US-1 used to be a rather relaxing drive, pretty much going past nothing at all, and now it's covered with traffic lights and freeway interchanges.

As a side, is the Bridge of Lions still a massive bottleneck? Can only imagine what a pain it must be with all the traffic growth.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: meestersam on June 07, 2012, 04:51:28 PM
I used to live in Auggy Dog, and for a town of like 15,000 people, the traffic can be brutal.  The Bridge of Lions gets terrible on tourist weekends especially, but at least it looks pretty nice now that they've completed the rehab project. 

I think a bypass like 313 would be awesome, as I used to dread the drive up US 1 from 312 to past the airport north of town.  People coming from A1A South or US 1 South to Jax would definitely benefit from it.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on June 09, 2012, 05:13:01 PM
On my quarterly business trip to Miami yesterday, I saw that the BGS for Interstates 75 and 595 at the southern end of the Sawgrass Expressway (FL 869) in Sunrise, FL has been removed and replaced with a Autobahn-style sign with upward pointing arrows. 
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: stormwatch7721 on June 14, 2012, 11:54:56 AM
When I went to The Seminole Towne Center Mall back on June 9th, There is construction(sp?) going on at SR 46 at I-4. Can anybody tell me what kind of project it is?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 14, 2012, 02:40:27 PM
When I went to The Seminole Towne Center Mall back on June 9th, There is construction(sp?) going on at SR 46 at I-4. Can anybody tell me what kind of project it is?

Adding a loop from 46 west to 4 west and extending the C/D road.
http://www.cflroads.com/Project/Details/101/407573-1_I-4_Interchange_at_SR_46
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.81006&lon=-81.33897&zoom=17&layers=M
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: stormwatch7721 on June 14, 2012, 09:42:30 PM
Oh okay, but looks like there will be no way to get to SR 46 from I-4 west when it's completed.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on June 14, 2012, 10:02:28 PM
Oh okay, but looks like there will be no way to get to SR 46 from I-4 west when it's completed.

Of course there will - it'll be a standard 5-ramp parclo.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on June 25, 2012, 10:29:09 PM
I ran a bunch of errands over last weekend, and found out that this one:

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/WhiteTurnpikeSignSR804.jpg)

...was replaced by a conventional green sign.

And another button copy sign is missing due to construction on Glades Road (SR 808) at I-95...

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/YamConLinExits.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on June 26, 2012, 02:34:25 AM
FL-3 has now received "END (http://goo.gl/maps/RMpw)" and "BEGIN (http://goo.gl/maps/cNyC)" shields where the route enters the Kennedy Space Center property.  Spotted this while playing around in StreetView tonight.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on July 02, 2012, 09:18:51 AM
The variable speed limit zone on US 27 (FL 25) in Broward County:

(images omitted from quote)

The variable speed limit zone ends beyond Griffin Rd.

We drove through that variable speed limit zone several times last week when visiting relatives—my brother-in-law lives in Pembroke Pines north of Pines Boulevard and we were staying at a timeshare exchange in Weston, so the route we used most often involved Sheridan Street to US-27 north to Griffin, then east to Bonaventure and north to the condo. (We did go all the way down to Pines Boulevard one time, but it took longer and we didn't repeat it.) The variable speed limit signs were set at 50 mph every time we went through. I found myself wondering what criteria they use to set the speed limit on there. We didn't go through during bad weather, although we did pass through at night. Also, why such a short stretch of variable speed limits? I assume perhaps it's just because that one stretch has a few intersections and then to the north and south there's basically nothing along that road?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 02, 2012, 10:53:52 AM
Also, why such a short stretch of variable speed limits? I assume perhaps it's just because that one stretch has a few intersections and then to the north and south there's basically nothing along that road?

I think the main reason is because of West Broward High School (http://www.broward.k12.fl.us/westbrowardhigh/), in which traffic (both vehicular and pedestrian) is a non-issue until that point, and can suddenly become congested. That high school is only about four years old, so perhaps it gets the "latest toys", but it really is the only one in Broward County near anything considered rural.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: 1995hoo on July 02, 2012, 11:28:11 AM
Also, why such a short stretch of variable speed limits? I assume perhaps it's just because that one stretch has a few intersections and then to the north and south there's basically nothing along that road?

I think the main reason is because of West Broward High School (http://www.broward.k12.fl.us/westbrowardhigh/), in which traffic (both vehicular and pedestrian) is a non-issue until that point, and can suddenly become congested. That high school is only about four years old, so perhaps it gets the "latest toys", but it really is the only one in Broward County near anything considered rural.

That makes sense, and indeed I noticed last Monday or Tuesday that the "School 15 mph" light was flashing at one point for some reason (maybe summer school, although there was no activity apparent).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 04, 2012, 10:51:28 AM
Does anyone know why FDOT removed all the overhead gantries at the FL A1A and FL 520 intersection that were once there back in the early 80's?  I remember back in 83 that there was four overhead gantries on FL A1A (2 for north and 2 for south) and two on FL 520, and then after moving to Florida in 1990, I noticed that they were all gone then.

I know its been quite a while and some of you might of not been born yet, but it seems very strange unless the City of Cocoa Beach did not like it and forced FDOT to remove them all.  They could easily do it by passing an ordinance just like many places  have that will not allow large business signs anymore or even signs that exceed certain heights.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 05, 2012, 09:16:33 PM
Another quarterly report for additions/deletions came out.

-SR 329 deleted from Depot Ave to University Ave [to Alachua County, 0.516 miles, on 4/25]

-SR 293 added on new alignment from the Toll Plaza to Range Road [2.757 miles, added 5/22]

-SR 707 (in Martin County) deleted from US 1 @ MP 20.681 to Cardinal Ave/Savannah Rd [from State to City, 1.760 miles, on 6/6]
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on July 06, 2012, 09:01:36 AM
Does anyone know why FDOT removed all the overhead gantries at the FL A1A and FL 520 intersection that were once there back in the early 80's?  I remember back in 83 that there was four overhead gantries on FL A1A (2 for north and 2 for south) and two on FL 520, and then after moving to Florida in 1990, I noticed that they were all gone then.

I know its been quite a while and some of you might of not been born yet, but it seems very strange unless the City of Cocoa Beach did not like it and forced FDOT to remove them all.  They could easily do it by passing an ordinance just like many places  have that will not allow large business signs anymore or even signs that exceed certain heights.

I'd be very surprised if Cocoa Beach had the authority to regulate FDOT.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on July 07, 2012, 09:18:36 PM
Does anyone know why FDOT removed all the overhead gantries at the FL A1A and FL 520 intersection that were once there back in the early 80's?  I remember back in 83 that there was four overhead gantries on FL A1A (2 for north and 2 for south) and two on FL 520, and then after moving to Florida in 1990, I noticed that they were all gone then.

I know its been quite a while and some of you might of not been born yet, but it seems very strange unless the City of Cocoa Beach did not like it and forced FDOT to remove them all.  They could easily do it by passing an ordinance just like many places  have that will not allow large business signs anymore or even signs that exceed certain heights.

I'd be very surprised if Cocoa Beach had the authority to regulate FDOT.
You be a bit suprised what small cities can do.  If they have the right persuasion with somebody in Tallahassee it can be done or if the community gets too involved and puts pressure in the right places.   
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 28, 2012, 10:13:05 AM
Fairly new tip; During the winter of 2011-2012, Sumter County started putting CR 476 "W" signs at some locations. These two are at the north end of Sumter CR 476B, and were taken in March 2012.
(http://i.imgur.com/lS0HU.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/yxQm6.jpg)

Sorry, I can't make them smaller, and I don't have any "CR 476E" signs yet.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on July 28, 2012, 11:09:29 AM
Fairly new tip; During the winter of 2011-2012, Sumter County started putting CR 476 "W" signs at some locations. These two are at the north end of Sumter CR 476B, and were taken in March 2012.
(http://i.imgur.com/yxQm6.jpg)

Sorry, I can't make them smaller, and I don't have any "CR 476E" signs yet.
That second one would indicate that they're not using the W and E for directionality. (Millburn, NJ briefly signed the one-way pair carrying CR 527 and 577 as 527W/E and 577W/E, but was told to knock it off by the DOT or the county.) So what gives? If it's a fork in the road, an EB/WB road should be "476N" and "476S".
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: xcellntbuy on July 28, 2012, 01:53:21 PM
I ran a bunch of errands over last weekend, and found out that this one:

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/WhiteTurnpikeSignSR804.jpg)

...was replaced by a conventional green sign.

And another button copy sign is missing due to construction on Glades Road (SR 808) at I-95...

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/YamConLinExits.jpg)
The BGS on Interstate 95 you have illustrated may have been heavily vandalized, even though it is old button copy from the late 80s and 90s when the highway was just six-to-eight lanes.  There is a huge problem in that area of I-95 in Palm Beach County, with defacing of signs, barriers, light poles, etc.

Many signs are scheduled for replacement.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 28, 2012, 03:26:58 PM
That second one would indicate that they're not using the W and E for directionality. (Millburn, NJ briefly signed the one-way pair carrying CR 527 and 577 as 527W/E and 577W/E, but was told to knock it off by the DOT or the county.) So what gives? If it's a fork in the road, an EB/WB road should be "476N" and "476S".
The road is split by a merger with Sumter CR 48 in Bushnell, which itself is split by SR 48, which has a merger with US 301.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on July 28, 2012, 03:36:40 PM
That second one would indicate that they're not using the W and E for directionality. (Millburn, NJ briefly signed the one-way pair carrying CR 527 and 577 as 527W/E and 577W/E, but was told to knock it off by the DOT or the county.) So what gives? If it's a fork in the road, an EB/WB road should be "476N" and "476S".
The road is split by a merger with Sumter CR 48 in Bushnell, which itself is split by SR 48, which has a merger with US 301.

Oh, so "W" is the western segment of the route, then CR 48, then "E" is the eastern segment. Has Florida heard of concurrencies?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: D-Dey65 on July 28, 2012, 03:45:48 PM
Oh, so "W" is the western segment of the route, then CR 48, then "E" is the eastern segment. Has Florida heard of concurrencies?
Sure they have. They just don't always expose them.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on July 29, 2012, 12:16:01 AM
Fairly new tip; During the winter of 2011-2012, Sumter County started putting CR 476 "W" signs at some locations. These two are at the north end of Sumter CR 476B, and were taken in March 2012.

That seems to explain the CR "E-833" sign (http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/E833+CR846signs5.jpg) I spotted about a year ago...this time it's a suffix.

Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on July 30, 2012, 10:18:44 PM
Oh, so "W" is the western segment of the route, then CR 48, then "E" is the eastern segment. Has Florida heard of concurrencies?
Sure they have. They just don't always expose them.


Yeah, with County Routes it depends on the county.

As for directional signs, Citrus CR 44 is signed as 44W, one reassurance shield for Walton CR 183 is signed as 183S going south from Union (CR 183A, B & CR 81A),  and one section of Clay CR 214 is signed as CR 214E going east from SR 100. I don't recall seeing any others.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DeaconG on August 04, 2012, 11:41:09 AM
Been a while since I reported on matters I-95 in Brevard County, so here's what's currently going on...

On the north end, the new inner lanes are open in both directions at two places and traffic has been shifted to the inner lanes so the outer lane can be repaved, from the interchange at SR 528 (Beachline) to north of the Port St. John interchange and from SR 406 to just north of the Fox Lake Road overpass.  Paving has already begun on the outer lanes from the Beachline to the Port St. John interchange (one layer is down and another needs to be put on).

Widening is progressing well; from just north of the Port St. John interchange to the interchange with SR 407 (Challenger Memorial Parkway), new blacktop has been laid down on the new inner lane and guardrails are being put up.  The same is happening southbound from the Fox Lake Road overpass to the interchange with SR 50.  The work on widening the overpass at SR 50 is ongoing (I do not know if they've started putting concrete beams down).

And a very interesting development at the SR 407 interchange, so at little bit of history is in order: SR 407 is currently a parclo, one of what was once a matching pair with SR 528.  SR 528 was turned into a full cloverleaf in about 2000, but SR 407 remained a parclo with southbound exiting towards the Beachline and northbound towards Titusville; which created a situation with folks who either missed their turnoff with SR 528 towards Orlando northbound or didn't understand that SR 407 was a parclo, what you would end up with were folks heading northbound off I-95 and then making an illegal left turn at the merge back westward on SR 407, including quite a few semis (and I have witnessed both cars and rigs do this over the years).

Well, that's about to change.  I've noticed on my last few trips using that interchange that they have now laid out left turn lanes off the exit ramp both northbound and southbound, so when they are done you will now be able to exit southbound off I-95 and turn towards Titusville or northbound to get to Orlando via the Beachline.  I will also make the assumption that the current signage will be changed to reflect the new movements.

At the south end the widening of the bridge over the canal at the Brevard/Indian River county line is continuing along with the widening of the first two miles into Brevard County.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 06, 2012, 09:28:12 PM
FDOT considering toll for I-95/JTB flyover (http://www.wokv.com/news/news/local/fdot-considering-toll-i-95jtb-flyover/nP8pG/)

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FDOT is considering tolling the flyover they want to put between I-95 and JTB, partly to help alleviate the congestion that frequently stops up the Butler exit.  The current lanes would stay and remain free.  The flyover would run on SunPass, so there would be no tollbooths.

The project costs $125 million, which the state doesn't have right now. This comes on the heels of the FDOT's plan to expand 295 and add toll lanes.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NJRoadfan on August 06, 2012, 10:29:53 PM
Any updates on the US-19 freeway upgrade project in Pinellas County? They started the construction between Whitney Rd. and FL-60/Gulf-to-Bay Blvd. back in 2010. Just wondering how progress is. FLDOT doesn't seem to post photos. The project is notable in that it closes a big gap in the freeway, and modifies the world's first SPUI interchange at FL-60.

http://www.myus19.com/html/pinellas/segment-whitneyto60.html
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 07, 2012, 07:54:01 AM
The project is notable in that it closes a big gap in the freeway, and modifies the world's first SPUI interchange at FL-60.
There's actually an older one in Fort Worth, but don't tell anyone: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=7399.msg165968#msg165968
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: rickmastfan67 on August 07, 2012, 11:05:53 PM
If anybody wants to get a picture of an error FL-90 shield (http://goo.gl/maps/nbUkw) in Jacksonville along FL-13, might want to do it soon.

I've been talking with FDOT about the "overland" project and the way the signage was going to be and they will be correcting it based on my comments.  Once that project is done, US-1/US-90 will be properly signed along their short multiplex with I-95 in that area and all the error US-1/US-90 signage on Kings Avenue and Prudential Drive will be removed.

Also, on Kings Avenue and Prudential Drive, they will NOT be replacing the US-1/US-90 signage with FL-5 shields. :(  So, FL-5 will remain hidden in the Jacksonville area.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alex on August 08, 2012, 01:16:05 AM
If anybody wants to get a picture of an error FL-90 shield (http://goo.gl/maps/nbUkw) in Jacksonville along FL-13, might want to do it soon.


I have seen/photographed one or two standard FL 90 shields over the past few years. Okaloosa County also has a pair of oddball FL-90 shields as well:

https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida004/cr-004_wb_app_us-090.jpg
https://www.aaroads.com/southeast/florida300/cr-393_sb_app_us-090.jpg
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: DAL764 on August 12, 2012, 08:24:12 AM
FDOT considering toll for I-95/JTB flyover (http://www.wokv.com/news/news/local/fdot-considering-toll-i-95jtb-flyover/nP8pG/)

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FDOT is considering tolling the flyover they want to put between I-95 and JTB, partly to help alleviate the congestion that frequently stops up the Butler exit.  The current lanes would stay and remain free.  The flyover would run on SunPass, so there would be no tollbooths.

The project costs $125 million, which the state doesn't have right now. This comes on the heels of the FDOT's plan to expand 295 and add toll lanes.
I realise construction costs tend to be very high these days, but $125 million for a single flyover? Sounds rather excessive.

Not that I dislike the idea, because I have always thought there'd need to be a true freeway-to-freeway connection between I-95SB and JTB EB to make it a full interchange (while closing the exit to Salisbury Road at the same time).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: mstgator on August 14, 2012, 09:32:41 PM
Any updates on the US-19 freeway upgrade project in Pinellas County? They started the construction between Whitney Rd. and FL-60/Gulf-to-Bay Blvd. back in 2010. Just wondering how progress is. FLDOT doesn't seem to post photos. The project is notable in that it closes a big gap in the freeway, and modifies the world's first SPUI interchange at FL-60.

http://www.myus19.com/html/pinellas/segment-whitneyto60.html

The schedule at the link you posted seems to be on track so far.  The beam for the southbound span of the FL 60 overpass was removed several months ago in preparation for its replacement (two lanes in each direction are currently crammed into the former northbound side).  Several stretches of the frontage roads between FL 60 and the Whitney Road exit have already been paved, so a January opening for those looks doable for starting work on the thru lanes.  2015 can't come soon enough (another section of freeway upgrade north of Sunset Point just got underway and will wrap up around the same time).
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on August 25, 2012, 04:13:30 PM
Any updates on the US-19 freeway upgrade project in Pinellas County? They started the construction between Whitney Rd. and FL-60/Gulf-to-Bay Blvd. back in 2010. Just wondering how progress is. FLDOT doesn't seem to post photos. The project is notable in that it closes a big gap in the freeway, and modifies the world's first SPUI interchange at FL-60.

http://www.myus19.com/html/pinellas/segment-whitneyto60.html

The schedule at the link you posted seems to be on track so far.  The beam for the southbound span of the FL 60 overpass was removed several months ago in preparation for its replacement (two lanes in each direction are currently crammed into the former northbound side).  Several stretches of the frontage roads between FL 60 and the Whitney Road exit have already been paved, so a January opening for those looks doable for starting work on the thru lanes.  2015 can't come soon enough (another section of freeway upgrade north of Sunset Point just got underway and will wrap up around the same time).
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange? Plus many other highways in Central Florida need upgraded badly, especially the Sand Lake Road and John Young Parkway intersection that WILL NOT get to be interchanged as part of this Monday's project to widen the present John Young from 4 lanes to 6 lanes from FL 528 to the FL Turnpike bridge that was supposed to include it in its original plan.

The Tampa Bay area seems to be getting many intersection improvements while this metro area just gets more traffic lights as a means to aid traffic flow and in reality turns rural roads into urban arterials.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on August 25, 2012, 05:03:02 PM
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange?
Duh - SR 50 has a parallel freeway, while US 19 has none.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 28, 2012, 11:51:24 AM
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange?
Duh - SR 50 has a parallel freeway, while US 19 has none.

Yep... Pinellas County has a high population density, no where to build a parallel freeway without huge ROW costs.  Updgrade what is there is the only solution.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: jwolfer on August 28, 2012, 11:53:48 AM
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange?
Duh - SR 50 has a parallel freeway, while US 19 has none.
Any updates on the US-19 freeway upgrade project in Pinellas County? They started the construction between Whitney Rd. and FL-60/Gulf-to-Bay Blvd. back in 2010. Just wondering how progress is. FLDOT doesn't seem to post photos. The project is notable in that it closes a big gap in the freeway, and modifies the world's first SPUI interchange at FL-60.

http://www.myus19.com/html/pinellas/segment-whitneyto60.html

The schedule at the link you posted seems to be on track so far.  The beam for the southbound span of the FL 60 overpass was removed several months ago in preparation for its replacement (two lanes in each direction are currently crammed into the former northbound side).  Several stretches of the frontage roads between FL 60 and the Whitney Road exit have already been paved, so a January opening for those looks doable for starting work on the thru lanes.  2015 can't come soon enough (another section of freeway upgrade north of Sunset Point just got underway and will wrap up around the same time).
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange? Plus many other highways in Central Florida need upgraded badly, especially the Sand Lake Road and John Young Parkway intersection that WILL NOT get to be interchanged as part of this Monday's project to widen the present John Young from 4 lanes to 6 lanes from FL 528 to the FL Turnpike bridge that was supposed to include it in its original plan.

The Tampa Bay area seems to be getting many intersection improvements while this metro area just gets more traffic lights as a means to aid traffic flow and in reality turns rural roads into urban arterials.

Its not just Orlando where rural roads with 65 MPH speedlimits turn into a myriad of traffic lights and target stores.  US1 between Jacksonville and St Augustine for example.  Florida should have some better planning standards.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on August 28, 2012, 12:15:07 PM
Orlando is a terrifying place.  126 lights on US-441.  six of them green when I drove through on a random Tuesday afternoon.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on August 28, 2012, 02:36:12 PM
Orlando is a terrifying place.  126 lights on US-441.  six of them green when I drove through on a random Tuesday afternoon.

There's a reason I'm not entirely sure I've ever clinched the Orange Blossom Trail...I may have, but eventually, I've grown bored and saw something else on the map that appeared to be more fun to drive upon. I'm kind of flighty in that way; I demand immediate gratification in my roadgeeking habits.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on August 28, 2012, 03:52:10 PM
Orlando is a terrifying place.  126 lights on US-441.  six of them green when I drove through on a random Tuesday afternoon.

There's a reason I'm not entirely sure I've ever clinched the Orange Blossom Trail...I may have, but eventually, I've grown bored and saw something else on the map that appeared to be more fun to drive upon. I'm kind of flighty in that way; I demand immediate gratification in my roadgeeking habits.


It was much more exciting before they revamped it with those horrible green mast arms. (I remember at least one older-style light set just south of I-4 from back in the day.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: realjd on August 31, 2012, 04:16:45 PM
Orlando is a terrifying place.  126 lights on US-441.  six of them green when I drove through on a random Tuesday afternoon.

All those red lights along OBT are good for the economy. If too many of the lights were green, how would the drug dealers and hookers ever get any customers?
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 09, 2012, 07:07:23 PM
How come US 19 gets to be upgraded to grade separations from many side roads, while in Orlando it many years to get the FL 50 and FL 436 intersection changed to interchange?
Duh - SR 50 has a parallel freeway, while US 19 has none.

I was not talking about FL 50!  I was reffering to FL 436 that has NO PARALLEL FREEWAY?  If you want to count the 417, then you might as well count FL 589 as one to US 19.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 09, 2012, 07:22:26 PM
Orlando is a terrifying place.  126 lights on US-441.  six of them green when I drove through on a random Tuesday afternoon.

There's a reason I'm not entirely sure I've ever clinched the Orange Blossom Trail...I may have, but eventually, I've grown bored and saw something else on the map that appeared to be more fun to drive upon. I'm kind of flighty in that way; I demand immediate gratification in my roadgeeking habits.


It was much more exciting before they revamped it with those horrible green mast arms. (I remember at least one older-style light set just south of I-4 from back in the day.)
That was done as a project, believe it or not, to make OBT look like a better place.  With all those other improvements that were added like the sidewalks along the roadway, it now has a place for the hookers to walk and strut their assets.  Before, there were no sidewalks and a ditch along the highway and when I took my car into Allied Discount Tire years ago and while waiting for my car to be serviced I patronized the fast food store next to the business and had to walk on uneven grass because there were no sidewalks to be found.

In this case, if all was left the way it was I doubt if the girls (and shemales) would be out there today!  Or at least there.  Just like cleaning up Times Square only made the smut move to Eighth Avenue,  the riff raff would have stayed down the other end of OBT in the Holden Heights section of Orange County.

I drive OBT every day to work and see all of this.  Now, it took em months to add a median to the center of OBT for three miles from Oakridge to I-4, now the FDOT allowed the contractor to remove the  new project that entails the center turn lane  removal from Oakridge south to from this coming week until  5/13.  I guess FDOT feels sorry for construction workers and allows them only one day a week to work while having the other 6 off as it seems like they did on this past project. We should start another post on construction here as I am sure many of us see time wasted on projects around their areas.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 09, 2012, 07:58:09 PM
I was not talking about FL 50!  I was reffering to FL 436 that has NO PARALLEL FREEWAY?  If you want to count the 417, then you might as well count FL 589 as one to US 19.

Because 3 miles is just as long as 11 miles across a bay. Removed personal reference, accurate or otherwise
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: formulanone on September 12, 2012, 08:25:06 AM
I was in the Boca Raton area last week, and found these two strangers:

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/SR7-US441signsClintMoore.jpg)

(http://www.formulanone.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SR91s-BlueConstructionSign.jpg)

Finally...something that shows "State Road 91" for the Turnpike. Although, I've seen similar "reveals" of  hidden designations during construction zones.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: florida on September 12, 2012, 03:13:37 PM
I love that FL-SR7 sign (that's a new state road, y'know!). Palm Beach County has the best oddities in SOFL.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on September 12, 2012, 11:30:40 PM
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Although, I've seen similar "reveals" of  hidden designations during construction zones.
Kinda like this detour assembly for US 41/64/72(Hidden SR 2) in Tennessee
(http://i1209.photobucket.com/albums/cc395/Brian5561/TNTrip2012SLR177.jpg)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 12, 2012, 11:39:55 PM
they even screwed up by using a secondary shield.  (no, that's not an old primary ... the old primary never came in 3dtn form, and also had TENN in it)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 13, 2012, 12:08:14 AM
Secondary is correct: http://www.tdot.state.tn.us/Maps/2012OfficialSM-Back.pdf
(Why the public state map shows the unsigned numbers is a good question.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: agentsteel53 on September 13, 2012, 12:16:57 AM
now how does that work?  not all of the US route system in Tennessee is over what is considered primary routes?

(I had also thought "SR" meant "state route" in the original post.)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 13, 2012, 12:48:00 AM
now how does that work?  not all of the US route system in Tennessee is over what is considered primary routes?
The primary/secondary routes match the pre-NHS federal aid systems. Some U.S. Routes were never FAP, and others became FAS when the Interstates were built.

(I had also thought "SR" meant "state route" in the original post.)
In Florida it's always State/County Road.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Alps on September 13, 2012, 07:25:21 PM
now how does that work?  not all of the US route system in Tennessee is over what is considered primary routes?
The primary/secondary routes match the pre-NHS federal aid systems. Some U.S. Routes were never FAP, and others became FAS when the Interstates were built.
Now you've got me wondering if any other state does primary/secondary according to Federal Aid designations. I can't imagine that to be the case.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: NE2 on September 13, 2012, 07:28:30 PM
Now you've got me wondering if any other state does primary/secondary according to Federal Aid designations. I can't imagine that to be the case.
Not that I know of, but Nevada's current numbers came from the FA designations.
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: Brian556 on September 15, 2012, 02:19:14 PM
What is up with the arrows on the I-95 sign? Is this a one-of-a-kind, or are there others like it?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cosmophotos/577524533/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/cosmophotos/577524533/)
Title: Re: Florida
Post by: roadman65 on September 15, 2012, 03:02:56 PM
The Central Florida Connector, was supposed to be a freeway (tolled by OOCEA) that was supposed to link FL 528 with the Downtown Orlando following the CSX tracks through  Pine Castle, Edgewood, and