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Started by paulthemapguy, March 13, 2016, 12:36:15 AM

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hobsini2

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 29, 2024, 01:28:24 PMI never see anyone arguing over Michigan's control cities. MDOT must do a pretty good job.
Oh there have been arguments about I-75 not using Detroit from Sault Ste Marie. But that's the only one I can think of.
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Flint1979

Quote from: hobsini2 on May 30, 2024, 08:52:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 29, 2024, 01:28:24 PMI never see anyone arguing over Michigan's control cities. MDOT must do a pretty good job.
Oh there have been arguments about I-75 not using Detroit from Sault Ste Marie. But that's the only one I can think of.
That would be strange using Detroit that far north. Detroit starts being the control city at MM 125. I think I'd use Mackinac Bridge over St Ignace though.

hobsini2

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 30, 2024, 01:44:45 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 30, 2024, 08:52:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 29, 2024, 01:28:24 PMI never see anyone arguing over Michigan's control cities. MDOT must do a pretty good job.
Oh there have been arguments about I-75 not using Detroit from Sault Ste Marie. But that's the only one I can think of.
That would be strange using Detroit that far north. Detroit starts being the control city at MM 125. I think I'd use Mackinac Bridge over St Ignace though.
Definitely St Ignace needs to go. South of the Mackinaw Bridge, I would use both Detroit and Lansing since the US 127 split is not too far from the bridge.
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Flint1979

Quote from: hobsini2 on May 30, 2024, 06:58:15 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 30, 2024, 01:44:45 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 30, 2024, 08:52:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 29, 2024, 01:28:24 PMI never see anyone arguing over Michigan's control cities. MDOT must do a pretty good job.
Oh there have been arguments about I-75 not using Detroit from Sault Ste Marie. But that's the only one I can think of.
That would be strange using Detroit that far north. Detroit starts being the control city at MM 125. I think I'd use Mackinac Bridge over St Ignace though.
Definitely St Ignace needs to go. South of the Mackinaw Bridge, I would use both Detroit and Lansing since the US 127 split is not too far from the bridge.
I think it's good the way it is for the Lower Peninsula. St. Ignace though is a city that is known enough in the area as the north end of the bridge I just think using Mackinac Bridge itself instead is a better choice like in the Lower Peninsula. The US-127 split is about 85 miles from the bridge, Saginaw is the first big city in Michigan you come to and you don't generate Detroit bound traffic really until you hit Saginaw and it's a big enough place with a lot of traffic. Then there is a lot of Saginaw-Flint traffic that goes back and forth between the two cities so Flint is a good choice until you get there than Detroit.

And also most of the traffic that uses I-75 in the state is local to Michigan. I mean that we don't really see a lot of cross traffic unless it's going to Canada and even then if you were going like from say Toledo to Duluth I think you'd go through Wisconsin instead of Michigan. A lot of the traffic north of Saginaw is people going back and forth between up north and down state.

hobsini2

Quote from: Flint1979 on May 30, 2024, 09:11:51 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 30, 2024, 06:58:15 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 30, 2024, 01:44:45 PM
Quote from: hobsini2 on May 30, 2024, 08:52:23 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 29, 2024, 01:28:24 PMI never see anyone arguing over Michigan's control cities. MDOT must do a pretty good job.
Oh there have been arguments about I-75 not using Detroit from Sault Ste Marie. But that's the only one I can think of.
That would be strange using Detroit that far north. Detroit starts being the control city at MM 125. I think I'd use Mackinac Bridge over St Ignace though.
Definitely St Ignace needs to go. South of the Mackinaw Bridge, I would use both Detroit and Lansing since the US 127 split is not too far from the bridge.
I think it's good the way it is for the Lower Peninsula. St. Ignace though is a city that is known enough in the area as the north end of the bridge I just think using Mackinac Bridge itself instead is a better choice like in the Lower Peninsula. The US-127 split is about 85 miles from the bridge, Saginaw is the first big city in Michigan you come to and you don't generate Detroit bound traffic really until you hit Saginaw and it's a big enough place with a lot of traffic. Then there is a lot of Saginaw-Flint traffic that goes back and forth between the two cities so Flint is a good choice until you get there than Detroit.

And also most of the traffic that uses I-75 in the state is local to Michigan. I mean that we don't really see a lot of cross traffic unless it's going to Canada and even then if you were going like from say Toledo to Duluth I think you'd go through Wisconsin instead of Michigan. A lot of the traffic north of Saginaw is people going back and forth between up north and down state.
Just for S&G, i did Google the difference between Toledo and Duluth via Chicago vs Mackinaw. Mackinaw is 20 miles more and an hour slower.
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paulthemapguy

Here's an idea: For signs along I-75 northbound on the Lower Peninsula, "Upper Peninsula" could just be used as the control.  For signs along I-75 southbound on the Upper Peninsula, "Lower Peninsula" could be used.  This might be more intuitive than using "Mackinac Br" as a city.
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StogieGuy7

I always thought that Cove Fort, UT (not even a town) was a useless control city.

paulthemapguy

Quote from: StogieGuy7 on June 05, 2024, 04:29:21 PMI always thought that Cove Fort, UT (not even a town) was a useless control city.

Salina and Cove Fort are both worthless control cities in Utah. I'd sign I-70 in Utah as the way to get to Las Vegas and Denver.
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Quote from: paulthemapguy on June 05, 2024, 04:40:17 PM
Quote from: StogieGuy7 on June 05, 2024, 04:29:21 PMI always thought that Cove Fort, UT (not even a town) was a useless control city.

Salina and Cove Fort are both worthless control cities in Utah. I'd sign I-70 in Utah as the way to get to Las Vegas and Denver.

I do find it strange that Utah is willing to use Reno and Cheyenne as control cities despite other possible options a little closer (Elko, Rock Springs, etc.), but uses these other small control cities to "keep it in state". Reno might as well have been replaced by Wendover and Cheyenne replaced by Echo.

Flint1979

Quote from: paulthemapguy on June 05, 2024, 11:00:45 AMHere's an idea: For signs along I-75 northbound on the Lower Peninsula, "Upper Peninsula" could just be used as the control.  For signs along I-75 southbound on the Upper Peninsula, "Lower Peninsula" could be used.  This might be more intuitive than using "Mackinac Br" as a city.
Granted this won't be a problem because the Mackinac Bridge is the only way to get between the peninsulas without a long trip around Lake Michigan but it's like using Indiana and Wisconsin in Chicago, there it's like where in Indiana and where in Wisconsin? So it'd be like where in the Upper Peninsula? But you would know since the Mackinac Bridge would be the only way to get there without the long trip around the lake so I think that is why Mackinac Bridge is used, it flat out tells you where you are going to end up.

Yesterday I crossed the bridge twice and laughed when I got to Mackinaw City and saw Saginaw as the control city for SB I-75. I didn't take I-75 to get to the area, I took a bunch of back roads and state highways so I was thinking geez I haven't been in Saginaw in four hours and I am still seeing signs for Saginaw lol.

Flint1979

For I-70 in Utah for EB I'd use Grand Junction. For WB I'd use St. George or Las Vegas. St. George though only had about 5,000 people when the Interstate Highway System was built, now it has 100,000 people. Las Vegas really wasn't much different, it only had 24,000 people in 1950, by 1960 though they had 64,000 compared to 650,000 today. In fact Las Vegas has twice the population today that Nevada as a state did in 1960. I look at the populations from those years since those were the populations when control cities were selected.

hobsini2

Quote from: Flint1979 on June 05, 2024, 07:21:50 PMFor I-70 in Utah for EB I'd use Grand Junction. For WB I'd use St. George or Las Vegas. St. George though only had about 5,000 people when the Interstate Highway System was built, now it has 100,000 people. Las Vegas really wasn't much different, it only had 24,000 people in 1950, by 1960 though they had 64,000 compared to 650,000 today. In fact Las Vegas has twice the population today that Nevada as a state did in 1960. I look at the populations from those years since those were the populations when control cities were selected.
This is why I like using 2 controls when appropriate. I-70 EB in Utah is prime example of a highway that it would work.
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Flint1979

Quote from: hobsini2 on June 07, 2024, 10:19:34 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on June 05, 2024, 07:21:50 PMFor I-70 in Utah for EB I'd use Grand Junction. For WB I'd use St. George or Las Vegas. St. George though only had about 5,000 people when the Interstate Highway System was built, now it has 100,000 people. Las Vegas really wasn't much different, it only had 24,000 people in 1950, by 1960 though they had 64,000 compared to 650,000 today. In fact Las Vegas has twice the population today that Nevada as a state did in 1960. I look at the populations from those years since those were the populations when control cities were selected.
This is why I like using 2 controls when appropriate. I-70 EB in Utah is prime example of a highway that it would work.
Ok so Limon would work for the second control city right? I'm just kidding, it'd be Denver of course.



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