Indiana Notes

[cjw2001]

https://improvetomove32.com/landing/

Project website to improve Indiana SR 32 between Westfield and Noblesville from a two-lane road to a four-lane road with a curbed median. Between the US 31 interchange in Westfield and downtown Noblesville, there will be 11 roundabouts once all of these projects get done.

I'm confused, this looks like a road in Carmel  this has to cost a pretty penny!

The project presentation says $80.5 million for the roundabout plan vs $80.2 million for traffic signals.   Sounds like the roundabout plan is a no brainer to me.

[silverback1065]

https://improvetomove32.com/landing/

Project website to improve Indiana SR 32 between Westfield and Noblesville from a two-lane road to a four-lane road with a curbed median. Between the US 31 interchange in Westfield and downtown Noblesville, there will be 11 roundabouts once all of these projects get done.

I'm confused, this looks like a road in Carmel  this has to cost a pretty penny!

The project presentation says $80.5 million for the roundabout plan vs $80.2 million for traffic signals.   Sounds like the roundabout plan is a no brainer to me.

Ah, I didn't see the presentation link, that does make sense. 

[silverback1065]

so that 465 closure is going to be a month  starts this friday and ends 6/21. INDOT says this will allow 100 crews to build bridges and drainage. sounds like A TON of work will be done along this corridor. hopefully 0 rain occurs 

[SSR_317]

so that 465 closure is going to be a month  starts this friday and ends 6/21. INDOT says this will allow 100 crews to build bridges and drainage. sounds like A TON of work will be done along this corridor. hopefully 0 rain occurs 

Well, with last autumn's drought seemingly back here in Indy & central IN, looks like they should have plenty of dry weather to get everything done with minimal weather delays. Stay hydrated, road workers!

[silverback1065]

So I noticed a lot of changes have happened in Harrison County.

1) SR 337 now just ends at the southern town limit in Corydon
2) SR 11 now ends at the junction of what used to be SR 337
3) SR 111 now ends at SR 211

SR 337's days have to be numbered. the southern portion of it serves no purpose, well neither portion serves a purpose really.

Any other decommissionings around the state?

[tdindy88]

You can't maintain the state's budget surplus if you have to maintain all these highways after all.

So, what is the routing of SR 11 then? SR 337 still exists south of Corydon too? And if SR 111 ends at SR 211, couldn't SR 111 just subsume SR 211 west to SR 11? Also, does this mean SR 337 has three sections now?

[silverback1065]

You can't maintain the state's budget surplus if you have to maintain all these highways after all.

So, what is the routing of SR 11 then? SR 337 still exists south of Corydon too? And if SR 111 ends at SR 211, couldn't SR 111 just subsume SR 211 west to SR 11? Also, does this mean SR 337 has three sections now?

No 337 has 2 sections still, SR 337 now ends at Carl Street on the south side of Corydon it no longer goes further south. SR 11 ends at where SR 337 used to end, this may sound confusing after reading my 1st sentence but basically SR 337 used to end at SR 11, well now SR 11 ends at that point and that junction is OLD SR 337 for more context this is at Melview Road. And yes 211 should become 111 but I bet they won't change that due to addresses being confusing (the same reason why SR 46 still overlaps the new routing of US 40 for addresses only).

Personally I think SR 11, 211, and 111 should all be completely deleted in their entirety. They never went anywhere to begin with. 

[NWI_Irish96]

You can't maintain the state's budget surplus if you have to maintain all these highways after all.

So, what is the routing of SR 11 then? SR 337 still exists south of Corydon too? And if SR 111 ends at SR 211, couldn't SR 111 just subsume SR 211 west to SR 11? Also, does this mean SR 337 has three sections now?

No 337 has 2 sections still, SR 337 now ends at Carl Street on the south side of Corydon it no longer goes further south. SR 11 ends at where SR 337 used to end, this may sound confusing after reading my 1st sentence but basically SR 337 used to end at SR 11, well now SR 11 ends at that point and that junction is OLD SR 337 for more context this is at Melview Road. And yes 211 should become 111 but I bet they won't change that due to addresses being confusing (the same reason why SR 46 still overlaps the new routing of US 40 for addresses only).

Personally I think SR 11, 211, and 111 should all be completely deleted in their entirety. They never went anywhere to begin with. 

If nothing else, 111 will still need to be a state highway between the casino and the New Albany city limits.

[tdindy88]

You can't maintain the state's budget surplus if you have to maintain all these highways after all.

So, what is the routing of SR 11 then? SR 337 still exists south of Corydon too? And if SR 111 ends at SR 211, couldn't SR 111 just subsume SR 211 west to SR 11? Also, does this mean SR 337 has three sections now?

No 337 has 2 sections still, SR 337 now ends at Carl Street on the south side of Corydon it no longer goes further south. SR 11 ends at where SR 337 used to end, this may sound confusing after reading my 1st sentence but basically SR 337 used to end at SR 11, well now SR 11 ends at that point and that junction is OLD SR 337 for more context this is at Melview Road. And yes 211 should become 111 but I bet they won't change that due to addresses being confusing (the same reason why SR 46 still overlaps the new routing of US 40 for addresses only).

Personally I think SR 11, 211, and 111 should all be completely deleted in their entirety. They never went anywhere to begin with. 

Woah, so they kept the routing of SR 337 through Corydon? That doesn't sound like INDOT at all. Why not truncate it to SR 62, or SR 135?

Just my opinion, but I don't have an issue with SR 11 going all the way to SR 135, it looks alright on the map. And leave SR 111 down to the casino or SR 211. The rest can go though.

[silverback1065]

my guess is they offered the road to Corydon and Corydon refused, hence the weird ending. And I wouldn't put it past them killing 111 outright in the future not sure the casino matters to them enough to keep the road down there 

[jnewkirk77]

So I noticed a lot of changes have happened in Harrison County.

1) SR 337 now just ends at the southern town limit in Corydon
2) SR 11 now ends at the junction of what used to be SR 337
3) SR 111 now ends at SR 211

SR 337's days have to be numbered. the southern portion of it serves no purpose, well neither portion serves a purpose really.

Any other decommissionings around the state?

Here's what's happening with SR 11: https://www.sr11extension.com/

The idea is to improve east-west connectivity across southern Harrison County.

[silverback1065]

So I noticed a lot of changes have happened in Harrison County.

1) SR 337 now just ends at the southern town limit in Corydon
2) SR 11 now ends at the junction of what used to be SR 337
3) SR 111 now ends at SR 211

SR 337's days have to be numbered. the southern portion of it serves no purpose, well neither portion serves a purpose really.

Any other decommissionings around the state?

Here's what's happening with SR 11: https://www.sr11extension.com/

The idea is to improve east-west connectivity across southern Harrison County.

o wow! I didn't know about this! thanks for posting this, so I guess they gave away that portion of 11 to build this new portion of 11.

[jnewkirk77]

Glad to share!

[nwi_navigator_1181]

Starting this week and through the rest of June, driving on northbound I-65 in Lake County will be difficult.

As access to I-65 southbound from US 12/20 and 15th Avenue will be restored (with three lanes of I-65 southbound opened to traffic), I-65 northbound will be reduced to two lanes from mile 256 to 259. In that work zone, the left lane will be shifted into the southbound side while the right lane will be pushed to the outside shoulder. In an effort to minimize delays and reduce queues, the entrance ramps from US 30, 61st Avenue, and Ridge Road will all be closed.

As a result, I-65 northbound in Lake County will only be accessible from Indiana 2 in Lowell, 109th Avenue in Crown Point, and I-80/94 in Gary. (The entrance from US 231 in Crown Point is closed due to a separate concrete restoration project currently in progress.) The official detour will be Indiana 53 to I-80/94, though locals could use 109th to enter I-65 northbound or use Indiana 51 to avoid it entirely.

One road that won't be available to locals as the summer progresses will be Colorado Street in Merrillville and Hobart. A while ago upthread, I mentioned Hobart's plans to convert the CN Railroad crossing north of the 69th Avenue roundabout to an overpass. Plans are still in the works, with the possibility of work starting within a few weeks. The project is expected to last up to 18 months.

In a much more immediate time frame, intersection improvement work at US 30 will be starting within days. Along with the intersection proper, a portion of Colorado will be closed from half a mile south of US 30 to about a quarter of a mile north. Along with new turn lanes and a full resurfacing and substructure replacement, work will also include leveling out the road for better sight lines. Work is to last until the holiday shopping season. Traffic will be required to use Mississippi Street and 61st Avenue as a detour.

[Great Lakes Roads]

Starting this week and through the rest of June, driving on northbound I-65 in Lake County will be difficult.

As access to I-65 southbound from US 12/20 and 15th Avenue will be restored (with three lanes of I-65 southbound opened to traffic), I-65 northbound will be reduced to two lanes from mile 256 to 259. In that work zone, the left lane will be shifted into the southbound side while the right lane will be pushed to the outside shoulder. In an effort to minimize delays and reduce queues, the entrance ramps from US 30, 61st Avenue, and Ridge Road will all be closed.

As a result, I-65 northbound in Lake County will only be accessible from Indiana 2 in Lowell, 109th Avenue in Crown Point, and I-80/94 in Gary. (The entrance from US 231 in Crown Point is closed due to a separate concrete restoration project currently in progress.) The official detour will be Indiana 53 to I-80/94, though locals could use 109th to enter I-65 northbound or use Indiana 51 to avoid it entirely.

One road that won't be available to locals as the summer progresses will be Colorado Street in Merrillville and Hobart. A while ago upthread, I mentioned Hobart's plans to convert the CN Railroad crossing north of the 69th Avenue roundabout to an overpass. Plans are still in the works, with the possibility of work starting within a few weeks. The project is expected to last up to 18 months.

In a much more immediate time frame, intersection improvement work at US 30 will be starting within days. Along with the intersection proper, a portion of Colorado will be closed from half a mile south of US 30 to about a quarter of a mile north. Along with new turn lanes and a full resurfacing and substructure replacement, work will also include leveling out the road for better sight lines. Work is to last until the holiday shopping season. Traffic will be required to use Mississippi Street and 61st Avenue as a detour.

Lake County is always a mess to get around at this time of the year lol...

[NWI_Irish96]

Starting this week and through the rest of June, driving on northbound I-65 in Lake County will be difficult.

As access to I-65 southbound from US 12/20 and 15th Avenue will be restored (with three lanes of I-65 southbound opened to traffic), I-65 northbound will be reduced to two lanes from mile 256 to 259. In that work zone, the left lane will be shifted into the southbound side while the right lane will be pushed to the outside shoulder. In an effort to minimize delays and reduce queues, the entrance ramps from US 30, 61st Avenue, and Ridge Road will all be closed.

As a result, I-65 northbound in Lake County will only be accessible from Indiana 2 in Lowell, 109th Avenue in Crown Point, and I-80/94 in Gary. (The entrance from US 231 in Crown Point is closed due to a separate concrete restoration project currently in progress.) The official detour will be Indiana 53 to I-80/94, though locals could use 109th to enter I-65 northbound or use Indiana 51 to avoid it entirely.

One road that won't be available to locals as the summer progresses will be Colorado Street in Merrillville and Hobart. A while ago upthread, I mentioned Hobart's plans to convert the CN Railroad crossing north of the 69th Avenue roundabout to an overpass. Plans are still in the works, with the possibility of work starting within a few weeks. The project is expected to last up to 18 months.

In a much more immediate time frame, intersection improvement work at US 30 will be starting within days. Along with the intersection proper, a portion of Colorado will be closed from half a mile south of US 30 to about a quarter of a mile north. Along with new turn lanes and a full resurfacing and substructure replacement, work will also include leveling out the road for better sight lines. Work is to last until the holiday shopping season. Traffic will be required to use Mississippi Street and 61st Avenue as a detour.

In case anybody is thinking about using Ridge Road as an alternate route to a clogged Borman, Ridge is going to be down to one lane each way at Manor Avenue in Munster for three months beginning Monday 6/12, for  installation of South Shore Tracks.

[silverback1065]

never ceases to amaze me how much construction Indiana has for the size and population it has 

[nwi_navigator_1181]

never ceases to amaze me how much construction Indiana has for the size and population it has 

You have to take into consideration its geographical location and importance.

While Indiana is relatively small in population and size, the amount of traffic from the outside is pretty high, seeing that a large portion of Great Lakes and Midwest traffic has to go through the state to get where they're going.

Our roads have been taking a beating. Sucks that it's "Everything, Everywhere, All at Once,"  but it has to be done.

[NWI_Irish96]

never ceases to amaze me how much construction Indiana has for the size and population it has 

You have to take into consideration its geographical location and importance.

While Indiana is relatively small in population and size, the amount of traffic from the outside is pretty high, seeing that a large portion of Great Lakes and Midwest traffic has to go through the state to get where they're going.

Our roads have been taking a beating. Sucks that it's "Everything, Everywhere, All at Once,"  but it has to be done.

I drive a lot in Illinois, Michigan. Their roads are terrible. The constant construction is a trade-off for having nice roads.

[ITB]

Browsing, I came across a couple of regional transportation plans — one for Evansville MPO, the other for Hancock County. Might be of interest to some.

Also, found a study for a new connector road in Plainfield in Hendricks County that will link US 40 to I-70. Aside from the study, which identified and recommended a preferred route, there's not much else to be found about this project.

[royo6022]

It's a slogan. Intended to make people that aren't from the state feel welcome, as if they were home.

Pixel 7

If that's the case, I just find that weird and nonsensicle

Better than "Home means Nevada"

[hobsini2]

How many people will see a slogan on a sign and decide to increase or decrease the amount of time they spend in the state because of it?

It depends. I still have a bumper sticker (unused) from the early 1980s that had "Escape to Wisconsin". That slogan was great for the tourism boom.
But I agree Welcome signs should not have slogans.

[skluth]

How many people will see a slogan on a sign and decide to increase or decrease the amount of time they spend in the state because of it?

It depends. I still have a bumper sticker (unused) from the early 1980s that had "Escape to Wisconsin". That slogan was great for the tourism boom.
But I agree Welcome signs should not have slogans.

I think half my friends trimmed those bumper stickers to read "CAPE SCONSI" before putting them on their cars

[silverback1065]

just curious, who built the Sam Jones Expressway and why? was it INDOT or Indy? Was it always supposed to just be from the old airport to 70?  It seems to serve no purpose anymore and arguably never really did, was this what was left of a larger expressway?

[tdindy88]

just curious, who built the Sam Jones Expressway and why? was it INDOT or Indy? Was it always supposed to just be from the old airport to 70?  It seems to serve no purpose anymore and arguably never really did, was this what was left of a larger expressway?

I believe the city built it and have maintained it ever since. If I understand it correctly I think they wanted to make all of Raymond Street an expressway at one point but only got the part from the airport terminal to I-70 built to "freeway" standards. The rest just became an widened road.

As it was built it was designed to be the main connection from the terminal to downtown, an all-freeway route utilizing the Airport Expressway and I-70. I imagine this was heavily used when the old terminal was on the east side of the airport. Nowadays the expressway still connects with Raymond Street which is a busy industrial route through the Indianapolis' southwest side. It's also pretty well-used by west side commuters who use I-70 from downtown to connect with I-465 on the west side. Now west of I-465 there isn't much need for the roadway but it's only a small bit connecting to High School Road. To say this roadway never had any purpose or no longer has purpose is simply incorrect.