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Erroneous road signs

Started by FLRoads, January 20, 2009, 04:01:44 PM

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74/171FAN

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kphoger

Approaching the end of the Highroad, near Branson, drivers encounter this erroneous sign.  Nearer the end, however, they see this one, which is correct.
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

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roadfro

Quote from: kphoger on June 28, 2023, 02:25:01 PM
Approaching the end of the Highroad, near Branson, drivers encounter this erroneous sign.  Nearer the end, however, they see this one, which is correct.

Erroneous on a future-proofing technicality. If what appears to be a planned future expansion of the freeway actually occurs, then the sign is suddenly no longer erroneous. (I prefer "next exit" instead of "next right" for these types of signs.)

One could also argue that you first turn right (along the loop) before making the actual left turn.
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

kphoger

Quote from: roadfro on June 29, 2023, 12:08:42 PM
If what appears to be a planned future expansion of the freeway actually occurs, then the sign is suddenly no longer erroneous.

It's been this way for twenty years now and, as far as I'm aware, Phase 2 was scrapped.  I'm not aware of any official discussion about extending the Highroad since 2010.

Related thread:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2244.0
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Mergingtraffic

Outside Boston on I-90.  There is no Exit 46 but there is an Exit 45.

I only take pics of good looking signs. Long live non-reflective button copy!
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flan

I saw this east of Alexandria, MN, on I-94 westbound


WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: flan on June 30, 2023, 11:42:05 AM
I saw this east of Alexandria, MN, on I-94 westbound



That's not where I-34 goes!
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kphoger

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on June 30, 2023, 03:03:08 PM
That's not where I-34 goes!

But they're working on it.   :awesomeface:
Keep right except to pass.  Yes.  You.
Visit scenic Orleans County, NY!
Male pronouns, please.

Quote from: Philip K. DickIf you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use them.

Scott5114

I'm guessing it's not all that uncommon for people to get so messed up after coming out of Vegas they don't know where they are, but I didn't expect it to happen to I-15.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2672835,-115.0664198,3a,47.6y,63.34h,109.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss9YCR6_BcA3x6n3-F-dEDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

(Jake Bear found this in person and commented on it, which led me to check and make sure he saw what he saw...sure enough, that's a Utah I-15 shield two states away in Nevada!)
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wanderer2575

Quote from: Scott5114 on July 01, 2023, 02:11:44 AM
I'm guessing it's not all that uncommon for people to get so messed up after coming out of Vegas they don't know where they are, but I didn't expect it to happen to I-15.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2672835,-115.0664198,3a,47.6y,63.34h,109.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss9YCR6_BcA3x6n3-F-dEDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

(Jake Bear found this in person and commented on it, which led me to check and make sure he saw what he saw...sure enough, that's a Utah I-15 shield two states away in Nevada!)

I fail to see the problem.  It's a control route to match the control city.  :biggrin:

thenetwork

Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 01, 2023, 07:36:33 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 01, 2023, 02:11:44 AM
I'm guessing it's not all that uncommon for people to get so messed up after coming out of Vegas they don't know where they are, but I didn't expect it to happen to I-15.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2672835,-115.0664198,3a,47.6y,63.34h,109.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss9YCR6_BcA3x6n3-F-dEDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

(Jake Bear found this in person and commented on it, which led me to check and make sure he saw what he saw...sure enough, that's a Utah I-15 shield two states away in Nevada!)

I fail to see the problem.  It's a control route to match the control city.  :biggrin:

From TWO states away???  Then there should be a Washington I-5 NB shield on a sign somewhere in San Diego.

wanderer2575

Quote from: thenetwork on July 01, 2023, 04:24:33 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on July 01, 2023, 07:36:33 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 01, 2023, 02:11:44 AM
I'm guessing it's not all that uncommon for people to get so messed up after coming out of Vegas they don't know where they are, but I didn't expect it to happen to I-15.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2672835,-115.0664198,3a,47.6y,63.34h,109.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss9YCR6_BcA3x6n3-F-dEDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

(Jake Bear found this in person and commented on it, which led me to check and make sure he saw what he saw...sure enough, that's a Utah I-15 shield two states away in Nevada!)

I fail to see the problem.  It's a control route to match the control city.  :biggrin:

From TWO states away???  Then there should be a Washington I-5 NB shield on a sign somewhere in San Diego.

I made the comment as a funny ha-ha, but now I ask seriously:  What's the problem with the shield if it's acceptable that the control city is the same number of states away?  The shield is more a constant than the named city.  A North Dakota I-94 shield on eastbound I-94 in Michigan would be unusual and incorrect, but it wouldn't faze or confuse anyone at all.

Big John

^^ Even if EB I-94 in Michigan does not lead you to North Dakota?

wanderer2575

Quote from: Big John on July 01, 2023, 07:15:56 PM
^^ Even if EB I-94 in Michigan does not lead you to North Dakota?

Yes, even.  People may raise an eyebrow if they actually see the state name on the shield, but I-94 is I-94 -- that's what I meant when I said the shield is a constant.

Scott5114

The reason that the shield has the state name on it is to give credit to the state for maintaining the federally-designated highway. (This was apparently necessary to get some states to buy into the US route system, and that idea carried over to the Interstate shield since the US route shield still had the state name on it at the time the Interstate shield was designed.) So...no, UDOT does not maintain the section of I-15 immediately north of CR 215. :P
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jakeroot

Unless there's a "TO" adjacent to the shield, the shields represent the current route. I-15 in Utah is not in Nevada :-D

rlb2024

This is looking across from the eastbound lanes of I-12 near Mandeville, LA to the signage on the westbound lanes.  Image is from April 2023, right after the highway widening was complete between US 190 and LA 59.  (The latest images from westbound I-12 are from December 2022 before the new signage was installed.)  The sign for US 190 West to Covington (Exit 63B) shows the right lane as Exit Only -- which it was for a short time during construction but is that lane is now a through lane now that construction on this segment and the one between US 190 and LS 21 is complete.  The overhead sign at the offramp also has an Exit Only indication -- over a through lane as well.

Also, the mileposts for Mile Marker 65 are 1/10 mile apart between the eastbound and westbound lanes -- even though the ones for mile markers 64.5 and 65.5 are together . . .

https://www.google.com/maps/@30.4236403,-90.0626337,3a,48y,319h,97.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srVlSFOYAWuDbpuLk4EpT_Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

LilianaUwU

Speaking of I-12 and the wrong state on state name Interstate shields, a Mississipi I-12 shield lasted until at least 2022 on MS 607 NB:



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rlb2024

Quote from: LilianaUwU on July 02, 2023, 04:24:44 PM
Speaking of I-12 and the wrong state on state name Interstate shields, a Mississipi I-12 shield lasted until at least 2022 on MS 607 NB:



(Street View link)
Yep, I went through there a couple of months ago and was going to get a picture, but they have changed all the I-12 shields to generic with no name.  All the I-10 ones still have Mississippi on them.

74/171FAN

#5244
Unsure why we have a business banner for AR 190 here:  https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218940721629536&set=a.10218940900834016

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roadfro

Quote from: Scott5114 on July 01, 2023, 02:11:44 AM
I'm guessing it's not all that uncommon for people to get so messed up after coming out of Vegas they don't know where they are, but I didn't expect it to happen to I-15.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2672835,-115.0664198,3a,47.6y,63.34h,109.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ss9YCR6_BcA3x6n3-F-dEDA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

(Jake Bear found this in person and commented on it, which led me to check and make sure he saw what he saw...sure enough, that's a Utah I-15 shield two states away in Nevada!)

This is also curious because, generally, you don't see state-named interstate shields on BGSs in Nevada.
Roadfro - AARoads Pacific Southwest moderator since 2010, Nevada roadgeek since 1983.

74/171FAN

#5246
AR 190 EB actually goes straight here on Harding Ave instead of continuing south on Ohio St:  https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10218940753630336&set=a.10218940900834016

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PurdueBill

Quote from: roadfro on June 29, 2023, 12:08:42 PM
Quote from: kphoger on June 28, 2023, 02:25:01 PM
Approaching the end of the Highroad, near Branson, drivers encounter this erroneous sign.  Nearer the end, however, they see this one, which is correct.

Erroneous on a future-proofing technicality. If what appears to be a planned future expansion of the freeway actually occurs, then the sign is suddenly no longer erroneous. (I prefer "next exit" instead of "next right" for these types of signs.)

One could also argue that you first turn right (along the loop) before making the actual left turn.

The NEXT RIGHT made a lot more sense when there was the exit BGS and the exit gore sign.  Now that they have it signed as a curve basically, not a forced exit, the NEXT RIGHT sign should be changed too.  When they signed the forced exit as an exit, "next right" for the exit made at least some sense.

LilianaUwU

I saw that a temporary sign was laying on the ground, so I decided to lift it up... good thing I did, because it contained an error: "Dollorama" instead of "Dollarama". Granted, people pronounce the name as such, but that's not the name of the store.

"Dollorama" (sic) by Liliana Vess, on Flickr
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WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: LilianaUwU on July 06, 2023, 09:01:34 PM
I saw that a temporary sign was laying on the ground, so I decided to lift it up... good thing I did, because it contained an error: "Dollorama" instead of "Dollarama". Granted, people pronounce the name as such, but that's not the name of the store.

"Dollorama" (sic) by Liliana Vess, on Flickr

At least they didn't spell it "Dolorama", which would imply that it's a place of great distress or sorrow.
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