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webny99:

--- Quote from: vdeane on November 28, 2023, 12:52:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2023, 10:53:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rothman on November 27, 2023, 09:42:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2023, 09:30:07 PM ---A project of potential relevance: 4T5024

Leaves a lot to interpretation but could definitely be applied to Exit 21... and/or Exit 8 WB, which also still has the old style diagrammatical signs.

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Heh.  The "T" stands for temporary.  Won't be real until it gets a real PIN (design approval at the earliest).

And...it's just a JOC to replace OSSes as needed...

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Well, it's an acknowledgement that the wayfinding system isn't in compliance with modern standards, so an important first step at least.

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Yeah, what Rothman said.  This is just one location in an overhead sign structure contract (specifically, this one).  The only other location in this interchange in this contract is the I-490 EB exit 21 ramp split, which sadly lacks control cities.  The other locations are elsewhere.
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Isn't signage at an interchange usually all replaced at once, or is that only during larger construction projects? Seems weird to leave a diagrammatic and APL there together.

I did see what I thought might be a new install at the latter location, but there had been no sign at all there for quite a while, so I was thinking it might have just been a replacement for a damaged sign. If the other signs aren't being replaced right now, that would be a bummer but would also make sense as to why there are no control cities.

vdeane:

--- Quote from: webny99 on November 28, 2023, 01:05:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: vdeane on November 28, 2023, 12:52:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2023, 10:53:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rothman on November 27, 2023, 09:42:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2023, 09:30:07 PM ---A project of potential relevance: 4T5024

Leaves a lot to interpretation but could definitely be applied to Exit 21... and/or Exit 8 WB, which also still has the old style diagrammatical signs.

--- End quote ---
Heh.  The "T" stands for temporary.  Won't be real until it gets a real PIN (design approval at the earliest).

And...it's just a JOC to replace OSSes as needed...

--- End quote ---

Well, it's an acknowledgement that the wayfinding system isn't in compliance with modern standards, so an important first step at least.

--- End quote ---
Yeah, what Rothman said.  This is just one location in an overhead sign structure contract (specifically, this one).  The only other location in this interchange in this contract is the I-490 EB exit 21 ramp split, which sadly lacks control cities.  The other locations are elsewhere.
--- End quote ---

Isn't signage at an interchange usually all replaced at once, or is that only during larger construction projects? Seems weird to leave a diagrammatic and APL there together.

I did see what I thought might be a new install at the latter location, but there had been no sign at all there for quite a while, so I was thinking it might have just been a replacement for a damaged sign. If the other signs aren't being replaced right now, that would be a bummer but would also make sense as to why there are no control cities.



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Only during larger projects generally, especially these days.  Region 4 did a lot of spot sign replacements during the Great Recession because they needed shovel-ready projects fast to take advantage of the ARRA money, so I'm not sure how quickly they'll get back into corridor-wide sign rehabs.  That said, even the regions that don't have as many ARRA signs aren't really into those, either.  In fact, the only recent corridor sign rehabs I can think of in recent memory are in Regions 3 and 8 - I-81, I-84, and the Taconic.  It doesn't seem to be something that NY usually does these days.

As for that one gantry missing control cities because the other signs weren't replaced... it seems to me that, like pretty much any infrastructure features when a bridge is replaced, you should probably add them now, even if just at that one location, lest you become unable to add them later because the signs at the split are missing them.

(personal opinion)

webny99:

--- Quote from: vdeane on November 28, 2023, 08:36:15 PM ---
As for that one gantry missing control cities because the other signs weren't replaced... it seems to me that, like pretty much any infrastructure features when a bridge is replaced, you should probably add them now, even if just at that one location, lest you become unable to add them later because the signs at the split are missing them.

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I would agree if it was a mainline sign - as seen with Irondequoit being added to the new I-590 install - but it seems pointless to add control cities to post-gore signage when they're not on any of the mainline signs. I'm still hoping they could be added later, considering they seem to be big enough with the space currently being used for a ramp speed warning (I'll try to get a picture later this week).

Rothman:



--- Quote from: webny99 on November 28, 2023, 01:05:03 PM ---
--- Quote from: vdeane on November 28, 2023, 12:52:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2023, 10:53:02 PM ---
--- Quote from: Rothman on November 27, 2023, 09:42:49 PM ---
--- Quote from: webny99 on November 27, 2023, 09:30:07 PM ---A project of potential relevance: 4T5024

Leaves a lot to interpretation but could definitely be applied to Exit 21... and/or Exit 8 WB, which also still has the old style diagrammatical signs.

--- End quote ---
Heh.  The "T" stands for temporary.  Won't be real until it gets a real PIN (design approval at the earliest).

And...it's just a JOC to replace OSSes as needed...

--- End quote ---

Well, it's an acknowledgement that the wayfinding system isn't in compliance with modern standards, so an important first step at least.

--- End quote ---
Yeah, what Rothman said.  This is just one location in an overhead sign structure contract (specifically, this one).  The only other location in this interchange in this contract is the I-490 EB exit 21 ramp split, which sadly lacks control cities.  The other locations are elsewhere.
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Isn't signage at an interchange usually all replaced at once, or is that only during larger construction projects?

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Yep, what vdeane said.  Not usually at all.  Job Order Contracts address flagged structures, rather than all structures within an interchange.

Larger construction projects -- entire interchange reconstructions -- are a rarity in NY, so sure, but don't expect them too often. :D

roadman65:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/qhxCAfkZK8ScDq3w7
Was noticing that this intersection with the LIE Service Road uses traditional NY signal installations with span wire and green signal heads.

Yet Nassau County uses these signature mast arms chosen for county maintained installations.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zMPtKPBFarsNhikaA

Both on New Hyde Park Road in Lake Success, a county maintained road.

Am to assume the state has jurisdiction over the LIE service roads hence the span wire at that location and has taken over jurisdiction of traffic control along it?

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