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I-95/Penna Turnpike Interchange

Started by Zeffy, February 25, 2014, 11:08:43 AM

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NJRoadfan

Quote from: roadman65 on September 26, 2018, 12:10:44 AM
I still cannot figure out why the Garden State Parkway uses Secaucus over New York City for the new 153 signs on the GSP.  Considering the Lincoln Tunnel was used for a long time and now the MUTCD forbids it, that NYC would have took its place. Even Clifton would be better.

The new signs favor the city of route terminus or immediate local destination vs. a logical distant control city on a connecting highway. The same happened at Exit 98 for NJ-34 South as the signs now say "Brielle" as opposed to "Pt. Pleasant". Exit 63 now signs NJ-72 west for "Pemberton" instead of "Camden".


KEVIN_224

Here's my question: Is Exit 4 in Mount Laurel (NJ Route 73) still signed as Philadelphia? I haven't been on that part of the NJ Turnpike since Memorial Day weekend 2017.

Don'tKnowYet

Quote from: jp the roadgeek on September 26, 2018, 01:56:10 AM
Here's a couple of signs I came up with for Exit 3.  I used Camden/Philadelphia NB and Camden/AC southbound.  I figured AC bound traffic from Delaware would take the US 40 exit just over the Delaware Bridge.  Note: I used mileage based exit numbers.


Remember that NJ Turnpike guide signs need to say the same thing in both directions to the extent possible to be congruent with the toll ticket.  I think the exception to this at the moment is Exit 15E, which I think was an error in their last sign upgrade effort. There may be others.  I haven't been up there in a while.

famartin

Quote from: KEVIN_224 on September 26, 2018, 07:51:05 PM
Here's my question: Is Exit 4 in Mount Laurel (NJ Route 73) still signed as Philadelphia? I haven't been on that part of the NJ Turnpike since Memorial Day weekend 2017.
It had "Philadelphia" as an add on below the main panel.  I suspect they were thinking it would get axed as soon as I-95 was finished.  Not 100% sure its been removed but it may have been. I don't remember seeing it recently.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: famartin on September 26, 2018, 10:18:06 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on September 26, 2018, 07:51:05 PM
Here's my question: Is Exit 4 in Mount Laurel (NJ Route 73) still signed as Philadelphia? I haven't been on that part of the NJ Turnpike since Memorial Day weekend 2017.
It had "Philadelphia" as an add on below the main panel.  I suspect they were thinking it would get axed as soon as I-95 was finished.  Not 100% sure its been removed but it may have been. I don't remember seeing it recently.

I doubt this is the Turnpike's highest priority sign. I wouldn't be surprised if it stays for a while.

bluecountry

So does it now make sense if going from NY to Philly to take exit 6 off the NJTP instead of exit 4?

PHLBOS

Quote from: bluecountry on September 27, 2018, 09:06:33 AM
So does it now make sense if going from NY to Philly to take exit 6 off the NJTP instead of exit 4, 5, 7, or 7A?
FTFY based on both personal usage/experience and feedback from others (my brother always used Exit 5). 

Once Exit 7 was upgraded and I-295 between Exits 57 & 60 was completed (which made 7A an option) during the early-to-mid 1990s; it is my guess that southbound traffic usage of Exit 4 for Philadelphia/Greater Philadelphia trips likely dropped a bit... at least early on.

The real answer to your question is dependent upon where in Philly or Greater Philly is one heading to?
GPS does NOT equal GOD

bzakharin

Quote from: bluecountry on September 27, 2018, 09:06:33 AM
So does it now make sense if going from NY to Philly to take exit 6 off the NJTP instead of exit 4?
Depends where you're going and what time of day it is. We used exit 6 to go to Northeast Philly from New York even back when there was no interchange. I suspect further south you're going the more Exit 4 would make sense, more so during rush hour than not.

As for those other exits, I suspect *their* usage will drop, at least for those going to Philly except for shunpikers, since at this point they are only competing on the amount of toll you pay, not any kind of time savings.

TXtoNJ

Quote from: bluecountry on September 27, 2018, 09:06:33 AM
So does it now make sense if going from NY to Philly to take exit 6 off the NJTP instead of exit 4?

Depends on how much you want to pay. $16.80 to take exit 6 with EZPass, $11.25 exit 4.

PHLBOS

#1959
Quote from: TXtoNJ on September 27, 2018, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 27, 2018, 09:06:33 AM
So does it now make sense if going from NY to Philly to take exit 6 off the NJTP instead of exit 4?
Depends on how much you want to pay. $16.80 to take exit 6 with EZPass, $11.25 exit 4.
That listed $11.25 does not include the bridge toll to Philly/PA: add $5 for the DPRA bridges or $4 ($3 for E-ZPass) for the Tacony-Palmyra Bridge.

So that Exit 18 to Exit 4 trip to Philly/PA would equate either a total toll ranging from $14.25 to $16.25 depending on which bridge one uses and whether or not one has E-ZPass.
GPS does NOT equal GOD

bzakharin

Quote from: PHLBOS on September 27, 2018, 10:12:49 AM
Quote from: TXtoNJ on September 27, 2018, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 27, 2018, 09:06:33 AM
So does it now make sense if going from NY to Philly to take exit 6 off the NJTP instead of exit 4?
Depends on how much you want to pay. $16.80 to take exit 6 with EZPass, $11.25 exit 4.
That listed $11.25 does not include the bridge toll to Philly/PA: add $5 for the DPRA bridges or $4 ($3 for E-ZPass) for the Tacony-Palmyra Bridge.

So that Exit 18 to Exit 4 trip to Philly/PA would equate either a total toll ranging from $14.25 to $16.25 depending on which bridge one uses and whether or not one has E-ZPass.
You could use exit 6A and get onto I-295 there if you really want to use the DRPA bridges and save money. What's one extra bit of surface street if you are already using NJ 73 at a minimum if not also NJ 38 or NJ 70?

02 Park Ave

Quote from: TXtoNJ on September 27, 2018, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 27, 2018, 09:06:33 AM
So does it now make sense if going from NY to Philly to take exit 6 off the NJTP instead of exit 4?

Depends on how much you want to pay. $16.80 to take exit 6 with EZPass, $11.25 exit 4.

What is the return trip toll using each Exit?
C-o-H

PHLBOS

Quote from: 02 Park Ave on September 27, 2018, 10:42:15 AM
Quote from: TXtoNJ on September 27, 2018, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 27, 2018, 09:06:33 AM
So does it now make sense if going from NY to Philly to take exit 6 off the NJTP instead of exit 4?

Depends on how much you want to pay. $16.80 to take exit 6 with EZPass, $11.25 exit 4.

What is the return trip toll using each Exit?
$11.80 for Exit 6 to 18; $11.25 for Exit 4 to 18.  Note & per my earlier-post: TXtoNJ forgot to include the PA-bound bridge toll for the listed Exit 4 example.
GPS does NOT equal GOD

TXtoNJ

Quote from: PHLBOS on September 27, 2018, 10:50:55 AM
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on September 27, 2018, 10:42:15 AM
Quote from: TXtoNJ on September 27, 2018, 09:56:50 AM
Quote from: bluecountry on September 27, 2018, 09:06:33 AM
So does it now make sense if going from NY to Philly to take exit 6 off the NJTP instead of exit 4?

Depends on how much you want to pay. $16.80 to take exit 6 with EZPass, $11.25 exit 4.

What is the return trip toll using each Exit?
$11.80 for Exit 6 to 18; $11.25 for Exit 4 to 18.  Note & per my earlier-post: TXtoNJ forgot to include the PA-bound bridge toll for the listed Exit 4 example.

Yup, I did.

famartin

I haven't explicitly measured, but the mileage of taking Ezit 6 vs Exit 4 looks roughly equivalent between Exit 6 and the 95/Betsy Ross or 95/73 junctions in Philly. Thus, while it does depend on time of day, I suspect Exit 6 will now be faster for nearly all parts of Philly much of the time. Not sure about points closer to Exit 3, but given the annoyance of Route 168, who would want to use that if you don't have to...

jeffandnicole

Quote from: bluecountry on September 27, 2018, 09:06:33 AM
So does it now make sense if going from NY to Philly to take exit 6 off the NJTP instead of exit 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, or 7A?

Might as well include 2 and 3.  2 is South of Philly and usually not all that convenient, but if there's huge issues with 95 north of the airport, and the airport is your destination, 2 is a reasonable alternative from the south.

Quote from: famartin on September 27, 2018, 12:47:31 PM
Not sure about points closer to Exit 3, but given the annoyance of Route 168, who would want to use that if you don't have to...

While 168 is one lane each way, with 4 traffic lights in the 3/4 mile between the Turnpike and 295, it's not a bad alternative outside of the evening/summer weekend rush hour.  And if 295 is jammed between Routes 73 and 42 as it often is, it's normally the faster alternative.

BrianP

Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 27, 2018, 01:01:11 PMWhile 168 is one lane each way, with 4 traffic lights in the 3/4 mile between the Turnpike and 295...
4? Have they recently added a traffic light?  1 at Benigno, 1 at Browning, and only if you go I-295 south there's one at the I-295 ramp. 

jeffandnicole

Quote from: BrianP on September 27, 2018, 01:51:58 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 27, 2018, 01:01:11 PMWhile 168 is one lane each way, with 4 traffic lights in the 3/4 mile between the Turnpike and 295...
4? Have they recently added a traffic light?  1 at Benigno, 1 at Browning, and only if you go I-295 south there's one at the I-295 ramp. 


Benigno, Browning, 295 North, 295 South.  All 4 have been there forever.

And since we're talking about going to Philly, most will go 295 South to 76 West.  Usually you can get on the 295 South ramp prior to the traffic light, but 1 truck or 3 cars will block getting to that ramp until the light turns green.

famartin

#1968
Played around with Google Maps a bit... here's the estimates.  I used the average travel time and arrival times of midnight, 8AM, noon and 530 PM.

Mileage from Exit 6 to Route 90
Via I-95:  24.2 miles
Via NJTP/73/90:  26.6 miles

Mileage from Exit 6 to PHL Airport
Via I-95:  38.9 miles
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  40.2 miles

Mileage from Exit 6 to Chester
Via I-95:  46.2 miles
Via NJTP/322:  48.5 miles



Overnight from Exit 6 to Route 90
Via I-95:  26 min
Via NJTP/73/90:  31 min

Overnight from Exit 6 to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 42 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  45 min

Overnight from Exit 6 to Chester
Via I-95:  50 min
Via NJTP/322:  50 min



AM Rush Time from Exit 6 to Route 90
Via I-95:  41 min
Via NJTP/73/90:  33 min

AM Rush Time from Exit 6 to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 60 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  48 min

AM Rush Time from Exit 6 to Chester
Via I-95:  68 min
Via NJTP/322:  55 min



Noon from Exit 6 to Route 90
Via I-95:  26 min
Via NJTP/73/90:  33 min

Noon from Exit 6 to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 44 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  47 min

Noon from Exit 6 to Chester
Via I-95:  50 min
Via NJTP/322:  53 min



PM Rush Time from Exit 6 to Route 90
Via I-95:  29 min
Via NJTP/73/90:  37 min

PM Rush Time from Exit 6 to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 53 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  53 min

PM Rush Time from Exit 6 to Chester
Via I-95:  68 min
Via NJTP/322:  55 min

PHLBOS

Quote from: famartin on September 27, 2018, 02:14:41 PM
Overnight from Exit 6 to Chester
Via I-95:  50 min
Via NJTP/322:  50 min
...
PM Rush Time from Exit 6 to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 53 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  53 min
I'd suggest you use a different color than yellow for the above-two listings; such is very hard to read with respect to the light-green background; although such does show up better when inside the "quote" box.
GPS does NOT equal GOD

famartin

Quote from: PHLBOS on September 27, 2018, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: famartin on September 27, 2018, 02:14:41 PM
Overnight from Exit 6 to Chester
Via I-95:  50 min
Via NJTP/322:  50 min
...
PM Rush Time from Exit 6 to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 53 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  53 min
I'd suggest you use a different color than yellow for the above-two listings; such is very hard to read with respect to the light-green background; although such does show up better when inside the "quote" box.
fixed

jeffandnicole

Quote from: famartin on September 27, 2018, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 27, 2018, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: famartin on September 27, 2018, 02:14:41 PM
Overnight from Exit 6 to Chester
Via I-95:  50 min
Via NJTP/322:  50 min
...
PM Rush Time from Exit 6 to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 53 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  53 min
I'd suggest you use a different color than yellow for the above-two listings; such is very hard to read with respect to the light-green background; although such does show up better when inside the "quote" box.
fixed

It's probably a lot of trouble, but how about to downtown locations.  Let's say, City Hall and 30th Street Station.  These 2 locations are near the office commuting sections of Philly.

And I know 322 will be longer and out of the way, so Exit 6, Route 168 (Exit 3), and maybe Route 73 (Exit 4) can be options.

famartin

Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 27, 2018, 03:08:31 PM
Quote from: famartin on September 27, 2018, 02:21:20 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 27, 2018, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: famartin on September 27, 2018, 02:14:41 PM
Overnight from Exit 6 to Chester
Via I-95:  50 min
Via NJTP/322:  50 min
...
PM Rush Time from Exit 6 to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 53 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  53 min
I'd suggest you use a different color than yellow for the above-two listings; such is very hard to read with respect to the light-green background; although such does show up better when inside the "quote" box.
fixed

It's probably a lot of trouble, but how about to downtown locations.  Let's say, City Hall and 30th Street Station.  These 2 locations are near the office commuting sections of Philly.

And I know 322 will be longer and out of the way, so Exit 6, Route 168 (Exit 3), and maybe Route 73 (Exit 4) can be options.


Mileage from Exit 6 to 30th Street Station
Via I-95:  30.9 miles
Via NJTP/73/90:  33.4 miles
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  37.3 miles



Overnight from Exit 6 to 30th Street Station
Via I-95:  35 min
Via NJTP/73/90:  40 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  43 min



AM Rush Time from Exit 6 to 30th Street Station
Via I-95:  58 min
Via NJTP/73/90:  53 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  58 min



Noon from Exit 6 to 30th Street Station
Via I-95:  40 min
Via NJTP/73/90:  48 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  50 min



PM Rush Time from Exit 6 to 30th Street Station
Via I-95:  50 min
Via NJTP/73/90:  58 min
Via NJTP/168/295/76:  60 min

PHLBOS

Quote from: famartin on September 27, 2018, 03:43:46 PM
A better comparison might be to use Exit 7A (I-195) as the northern point of origin and compare travel mileage & time with Via NJTP/195/295/76 (using Exit 7A) or Via NJTP/206/Rising Sun Rd./295/76 (using Exit 7) vs. Via I-95/Exit 6.

Most of my trips from Greater Philly to/from Massachusetts over the last 24 years involved using the above routings.
GPS does NOT equal GOD

famartin

Quote from: PHLBOS on September 27, 2018, 03:52:43 PM
Quote from: famartin on September 27, 2018, 03:43:46 PM
A better comparison might be to use Exit 7A (I-195) as the northern point of origin and compare travel mileage & time with Via NJTP/195/295/76 (using Exit 7A) or Via NJTP/206/Rising Sun Rd./295/76 (using Exit 7) vs. Via I-95/Exit 6.

Most of my trips from Greater Philly to/from Massachusetts over the last 24 years involved using the above routings.

The time estimate between Exit 7 to 295 vs Exit 7A to 295 is extremely close, so I just did one of them. Subtract about a minute for Exit 7.

Mileage from Exit 7A to Route 90
Via I-95:  34.1 miles
Via 195/295/73/90:  40.5 miles

Mileage from Exit 7A to PHL Airport
Via I-95:  48.8 miles
Via 195/295/76:  53.7 miles

Mileage from Exit 7A to Chester
Via I-95:  56.1 miles
Via 195/295/322:  60.5 miles



Overnight from Exit 7A to Route 90
Via I-95:  35 min
Via 195/295/73/90:  45 min

Overnight from Exit 7A to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 51 min
Via 195/295/76:  58 min

Overnight from Exit 7A to Chester
Via I-95:  59 min
Via 195/295/322:  63 min



AM Rush Time from Exit 7A to Route 90
Via I-95:  50 min
Via 195/295/73/90:  48 min

AM Rush Time from Exit 7A to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 69 min
Via 195/295/76:  60 min

AM Rush Time from Exit 7A to Chester
Via I-95:  77 min
Via 195/295/322:  65 min



Noon from Exit 7A to Route 90
Via I-95:  35 min
Via 195/295/73/90:  48 min

Noon from Exit 7A to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 53 min
Via 195/295/76:  60 min

Noon from Exit 7A to Chester
Via I-95:  59 min
Via 195/295/322:  63 min



PM Rush Time from Exit 7A to Route 90
Via I-95:  38 min
Via 195/295/73/90:  55 min

PM Rush Time from Exit 7A to PHL Airport
Via I-95: 62 min
Via 195/295/76:  75 min

PM Rush Time from Exit 7A to Chester
Via I-95:  77 min
Via 195/295/322:  83 min



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