AARoads Forum

Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

New rules to ensure post quality. See this thread for details.

Author Topic: Toll Lanes on US 69 in Overland Park  (Read 6774 times)

sprjus4

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 7086
  • Location: Hampton Roads, VA
  • Last Login: Today at 09:32:36 PM
Re: Toll Lanes on US 69 in Overland Park
« Reply #50 on: June 17, 2021, 11:00:13 PM »

I have such a hard time buying any argument against toll lanes.
Using tax dollars to construct new lanes to then charge drivers an additional fee to drive in them?

  But is it really a sustainable business model?
Funny, they’ve added numerous of GP lanes back in the Hampton Roads area where I’m at over the last 30-40 years, and those areas still have virtually no congestion during peak hours, but right when it merges to 2 lanes each way (with LESS traffic volumes than the expanded 8 lane areas), bottleneck and bumper to bumper traffic.

But sure… “induced demand”  :bigass:
Logged

skluth

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1498
  • Age: 65
  • Location: Palm Springs, CA
  • Last Login: Today at 09:12:36 PM
Re: Toll Lanes on US 69 in Overland Park
« Reply #51 on: June 18, 2021, 12:36:42 PM »

I have such a hard time buying any argument against toll lanes.
Using tax dollars to construct new lanes to then charge drivers an additional fee to drive in them?

  But is it really a sustainable business model?
Funny, they’ve added numerous of GP lanes back in the Hampton Roads area where I’m at over the last 30-40 years, and those areas still have virtually no congestion during peak hours, but right when it merges to 2 lanes each way (with LESS traffic volumes than the expanded 8 lane areas), bottleneck and bumper to bumper traffic.

But sure… “induced demand”  :bigass:

Huh? Most of the Tidewater backups are at the water crossings (HRBT, Hi-Rise Bridge), but I remember daily backups at I-64/264 when I lived in the area. Local authorities went back to tolling both the Downtown and Midtown Tunnels since I left (to pay for the much needed second Midtown tube), so the only way to fix one of the local bottlenecks was to toll it. Another local bottleneck that is now tolled after expansion is the Elizabeth River US 17 bridge, and Chesapeake built the tolled Chesapeake Expressway 20 years ago to get traffic out of Great Bridge. The cancelled Southeastern Parkway was also going to be a toll road. It seems like Tidewater is using toll roads to fix bottlenecks even if you don't personally use them.
Logged

sprjus4

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 7086
  • Location: Hampton Roads, VA
  • Last Login: Today at 09:32:36 PM
Re: Toll Lanes on US 69 in Overland Park
« Reply #52 on: June 18, 2021, 03:13:12 PM »

^ I’m referring to segments of I-64 that have been expanded to 8 lanes - I-464 to I-264, north of I-664 on the Peninsula, also I-264 east of Independence Blvd… US-58 between Suffolk and Bowers Hill was also constructed as a rural 6 lane divided highway in the 70s… plus 6 lanes of I-464 for most of its length.

None of these segments built or widened with 6 or more lanes have recurring congestion even at peak hours, and carrying high volumes of traffic.

I never mentioned the crossings, which are bottlenecks now proposed to be addressed with HO/T lanes. We shall see how they hold up in the next decade once built, notably the HRBT and HRB.

Chesapeake built the Dominion Blvd project as a toll road because there was simply no funding. The city and area residents heavily opposed the use of tolling initially - it’s not popular and they tried holding out for years to find the funding… they reluctantly finally agreed to it because it was the only way to get it built. The same for the Expressway, which the toll portion does not bypass Great Bridge, it bypasses the southern portion of rural 2 lane Battlefield. The Great Bridge portion was built by VDOT in 1980 toll free.

Despite its continued use and growth, tolling continues to seem to be heavily opposed to locally, especially as the now proposed billions of dollars worth of HO/T lane expansions in the area heavily rely on tax dollars.

Portions of I-64 west of I-464 and all of I-664 could be expanded to 8 general purpose lanes and likely suffice for decades to come.
Logged

Scott5114

  • *
  • *
  • Online Online

  • Posts: 13323
  • Nit picker of unprecedented pedantry

  • Age: 31
  • Location: Norman, OK
  • Last Login: Today at 09:32:09 PM
    • Denexa 100% Plastic Playing Cards
Re: Toll Lanes on US 69 in Overland Park
« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2021, 06:14:09 PM »

I have such a hard time buying any argument against toll lanes.
Using tax dollars to construct new lanes to then charge drivers an additional fee to drive in them?

Eh, if this was really a huge argument against the project it could easily be dispelled by just paying for it with KTA funds.

And, as I've alluded to before, I don't think people are going to be particularly up in arms about paying a few bucks to use a toll lane in this area. The 2010 census median household income for Overland Park is $71,513, which is frankly kind of absurd for a Plains state (for Kansas as a whole it's $56,422).

  But is it really a sustainable business model?
Funny, they’ve added numerous of GP lanes back in the Hampton Roads area where I’m at over the last 30-40 years, and those areas still have virtually no congestion during peak hours, but right when it merges to 2 lanes each way (with LESS traffic volumes than the expanded 8 lane areas), bottleneck and bumper to bumper traffic.

But sure… “induced demand”  :bigass:

Any traffic increase on US-69 is going to be the result of traffic that was avoiding 69 and using Metcalf, Quivira, etc. instead shifting back to the freeway where it belongs. So while you'll see an increase of traffic on 69, you'll see less on surface streets.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2021, 12:58:18 AM by Scott5114 »
Logged

mvak36

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1094
  • Last Login: Today at 01:24:31 PM
Re: Toll Lanes on US 69 in Overland Park
« Reply #54 on: June 22, 2021, 12:40:49 AM »

https://www.kshb.com/news/local-news/overland-park-city-council-approves-us-69-toll-lane

Quote
OVERLAND PARK, Kan. — An express toll lane will be added to U.S. 69 Highway in Overland Park.

The Overland Park City Council voted 10-2 to approve the expansion for the roadway, which the Kansas Department of Transportation estimates is used by roughly 80,000 drivers daily between West 103rd and West 197th streets, with the toll-lane included.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2021, 12:46:50 AM by mvak36 »
Logged
Counties: Counties visited
Travel Mapping: Summary

mvak36

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1094
  • Last Login: Today at 01:24:31 PM
Re: Toll Lanes on US 69 in Overland Park
« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2021, 10:50:49 PM »

https://www.69express.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/2021.06.25_US69_NewsRelease_KTA_SFC_Approvals_FINAL.pdf

Quote
U.S. 69 Express toll lanes receive approvals from Kansas Turnpike Authority, State Finance Council

KDOT continues public engagement, project environment assessment

TOPEKA–Following the June 21 approval by the Overland Park City Council to add express toll lanes to U.S. 69 between 151st and 103rd streets, the project received additional required approvals this week from the Kansas Turnpike Authority and the State Finance Council.

The KTA board voted 5-0 to approve and the State Finance Council voted 8-0 in favor of the KDOT-Overland joint proposal for express toll lanes on U.S. 69.

“The Overland Park City Council, Kansas Turnpike Authority and State Finance Council decisions set direction for how KDOT will proceed with the next phases of the U.S. 69 Expansion and Modernization project,” said KDOT Deputy Secretary Lindsey Douglas.

The environmental assessment has been underway since the project began in October 2020, and KDOT expects it to be complete in late 2021. A noise study also will be conducted to determine whether noise levels specific to the express toll lanes configuration meet or exceed federal and state guidelines.

KDOT’s public engagement efforts will continue throughout the life of the project. Over the next year, Overland Park residents can participate in several public meetings – one when the environmental analysis is complete in October, one in February 2022 about right-of-way acquisitions and one prior to the start of construction. Groups also may request project presentations through the U.S. 69 Expansion project website at Feedback – 69 Express.

In addition to a new, third tolled lane in each direction, the initial project phase will include a completely rebuilt U.S. 69 roadway between 151st and 103rd streets, as well as reconfigured interchanges at Blue Valley Parkway and at I-435.
Logged
Counties: Counties visited
Travel Mapping: Summary

mvak36

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1094
  • Last Login: Today at 01:24:31 PM
Re: Toll Lanes on US 69 in Overland Park
« Reply #56 on: July 08, 2021, 10:48:00 AM »

https://davids.house.gov/media/in-the-news/us-highway-69-project-overland-park-would-get-15m-federal-funds-bill-passed-house

Quote
Federal money from a $715 billion infrastructure bill approved by the U.S. House Thursday could make the project to expand U.S. Highway 69 in Overland Park richer, if the measure survives an eventual Senate conference.

The prospective $15 million injection —plus a state match — is targeted specifically at the 167th Street interchange.
Logged
Counties: Counties visited
Travel Mapping: Summary

route56

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1111
  • Age: 42
  • Location: Northeast Kansas
  • Last Login: November 25, 2021, 12:42:16 PM
    • route56.com
Re: Toll Lanes on US 69 in Overland Park
« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2021, 12:00:14 AM »

The US 69 widening in Overland Park is one of the improvement projects that will be built as part of the IKE program.

https://ikewebstorage.blob.core.windows.net/files/Construction-Announcements-2021/US69_Johnson_July2021.pdf

Plans are scheduled to be let next year... 0.85:1 that Clarkson winds up with the best bid.
Logged
Peace to you, and... don't drive like my brother.

R.P.K.

Ned Weasel

  • *
  • Offline Offline

  • Posts: 1833
  • Age: 37
  • Location: Kansas
  • Last Login: Today at 10:37:16 AM
    • My Instagram
Re: Toll Lanes on US 69 in Overland Park
« Reply #58 on: July 09, 2021, 08:32:58 PM »

https://ikewebstorage.blob.core.windows.net/files/Construction-Announcements-2021/US69_Johnson_July2021.pdf

Quote
First express toll lane in the Midwest.

I guess the ones in Minnesota don't count because HOVs get to use them for free?
Logged
"I was raised by a cup of coffee." - Strong Bad imitating Homsar

Disclaimer: Views I express are my own and don't reflect any employer or associated entity.

 


Opinions expressed here on belong solely to the poster and do not represent or reflect the opinions or beliefs of AARoads, its creators and/or associates.