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I-73 updates?
« on: April 27, 2011, 12:39:37 AM »

I just wondered if there are any I-73 updates so far? I know the highway is the most controversal... but I, for me.. would like it to be built.. so any updates?
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2011, 01:00:05 AM »

I know the highway is the most controversal...
Huh?
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2011, 10:33:11 AM »

I know the highway is the most controversal...
Huh?

I for one hate it because it shows up, seemingly randomly, in North Carolina ... but at least it fits the grid there: it is I-74 which to me is the really out-of-sorts one.
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2011, 07:35:18 PM »

Assuming you mean I-73 updates in Ohio or Michigan

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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2011, 11:04:16 PM »

All I-73 (in Ohio & Michigan) updates are in the Fictional Highway forum because that is what that project has become in this neck of the woods.
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2011, 06:47:28 AM »

I-73 and 74 are not controvercial in the "real world" sense of environmental extremism and all of that.  They are controvercial in the sense that the routing is a mish-mash of existing US highways that will never be built as interstates north of North Carolina, and in North Carolina, they are a part of the confused and confusing mess of mis-signed roads around the Piedmont Triad.  The whole idea is AASHTO malpractice.
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2011, 09:44:10 AM »

The whole idea is Congressionally driven.  Plus, since they're Interstaes, route numbering must be signed off by FHWA...AASHTO doesn't have final approval authority.

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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2011, 10:46:22 AM »

further evidence that congress has no business assigning route numbers. 
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2011, 11:21:26 AM »

further evidence that congress has no business assigning route numbers. 
And also that NC is possibly more screwed-up than Bud Shuster!  :ded:
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2011, 11:40:05 AM »

I-73 and 74 are not controvercial in the "real world" sense of environmental extremism and all of that.  They are controvercial in the sense that the routing is a mish-mash of existing US highways that will never be built as interstates north of North Carolina, and in North Carolina, they are a part of the confused and confusing mess of mis-signed roads around the Piedmont Triad.  The whole idea is AASHTO malpractice.

Agreed.

The real question isn't necessarily why it was established, but how they are going to route it, especially with I-73 in Ohio.
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2011, 11:47:32 AM »

I think that I-99 was way out of the grid.. so if they can get I-99 signed in PA (and in the future, NY).. then I do not see the problem with signing I-73/I-74.

In Ohio, both routes are going to be west of I-77, then I-75 in Michigan (for I-73)... which means.. both interstates is not out of grid. NC got it going first, so that's why they signed it immediately. I do not know why I-74 comes in handy as well.... If it were me, I would have michigan signed I-73 first before NC does, and it would not have messed up the routing of the interstate.
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2011, 12:21:44 PM »

Here is a link to the National I-73/I-74/I-75 Association's website:

http://www.i73.com/aboutus.html

There is a strong Toledo presence on their Board.  Website also has a basic map of proposed I-73 route through Ohio:

http://www.i73.com/images/OH_sm.jpg

and Michigan:

http://www.i73.com/images/MI_sm.jpg

I think they added I-75 to the mix to try and generate some interest in Ohio & Michigan.

They became very excited about recent I-73 news in South Carolina.

« Last Edit: April 28, 2011, 12:39:46 PM by Grzrd »
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2011, 12:38:41 PM »

yeah.. and NC is still building its part.... it's getting there...
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2011, 11:12:50 PM »

Here is a link to the National I-73/I-74/I-75 Association's website:

http://www.i73.com/aboutus.html

There is a strong Toledo presence on their Board.  Website also has a basic map of proposed I-73 route through Ohio:

http://www.i73.com/images/OH_sm.jpg

and Michigan:

http://www.i73.com/images/MI_sm.jpg

I think they added I-75 to the mix to try and generate some interest in Ohio & Michigan.

They became very excited about recent I-73 news in South Carolina.



The original proclimation (ISTEA - 1991) concerning I-73 was for it's northern terminus to be in Detroit and it's southern end to be in Charleston, SC. TEA-21 (1998) changed the end points for I-73 to Sault Ste Marie and Myrtle Beach. Thus why all the overlap with I-75 through Michigan into NW Ohio (though the original plans, which I can post, have I-73 following US 23 almost it's entire route through Ohio)
https://www.aaroads.com/high-priority/corr05.html - Originally written by Andy Field (co-creator of AARoads), the portion covering Michigan, Ohio, and West Virginia is still accurate ten years later becuase nothing has happened.
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2011, 11:48:51 PM »

why all the overlap with I-75 through Michigan into NW Ohio (though the original plans, which I can post, have I-73 following US 23 almost it's entire route through Ohio)
https://www.aaroads.com/high-priority/corr05.html - Originally written by Andy Field (co-creator of AARoads), the portion covering Michigan, Ohio, and West Virginia is still accurate ten years later becuase nothing has happened.
I have no idea; however, they are having their annual Road Rally in Washington, D.C. next week ( May 4-5; registration form: http://www.i73.com/docs/spring_2011_road_rally_regis_form.pdf).  Registration closed April 18; price tag $100 for Events Only.  Anyone in D.C. area that could be a forum "mole" for the festivities :hmmm:?

Here's a link to 37 photos from their 2008 Road Rally in Greensboro, in order to give an idea of Road Rally attendees:

http://www.i73.com/images/Greensboro/spring_rally_greenboro.html
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2011, 10:42:20 AM »

That routing for I-73 is absolutely ridiculous.  Interstates (or any routes, for that matter) should not multiplex to a terminus like that.
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2011, 11:28:41 AM »

the 73 routing isn't all that silly.  the 74 is!
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2011, 03:02:12 PM »

US 52 is worse :)
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2011, 03:42:19 PM »

I agree.. 73 isnt bad... but 74? why would they want to try to extend 74 all the way to Myrtle Beach?
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2011, 09:08:54 PM »

That routing for I-73 is absolutely ridiculous.  Interstates (or any routes, for that matter) should not multiplex to a terminus like that.

If you think MDOT would actually sign I-73 on top of I-75 like that, there's some oceanfront property on Omaha for sale. No, the legislative designation includes I-75 in Michigan much the same way that the I-69 corridor definition includes a "spur" along I-94 from Port Huron to Chicago: even if signage doesn't change, the road is eligible for additional funding sources.
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2011, 10:24:11 PM »

I personally think that I-73 should just end at I-75 somewhere in Ohio instead of routing it all together...
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2011, 07:51:37 AM »

It is also important to note that US 74 and I-74 multiplex with one another, something that should never happen. 

Numbering issues asside, a bypass of Rockingham, from the end of US 220 to US 74, and then a four lane upgrade of NC/SC 38 to Bennettsville and you have an all-four lane route from central Appalachia and the eastern Midwest to Myrtle Beach.  Now, while it would be nice for SC to upgrade the current 4 lane SC 38 and US 501 to an interstate standard, the current road is quite adequate, save for heavy summer weekends, which a third lane and a bypass of a couple of little towns like Aynor and Galavant's Ferry would probably be a better solution to that than a total rebuild.

In West Virginia, if US 52 were magically a four lane tommorrow, it would take a whopping 27 miles off the existing I-64 and WV TP from Huntington to Bluefield.  (And if you are talking Myrtle Beach, note that US 23 is now finished, just across the river, all the way into the Tri-Cities, where it becomes I-26, which you can take to to I-20 to US 501.)  It is important to divide the project into two to understand why it will never be built.  The northern half, the Tolsia Highway from Kenova to Williamson is the best two lane road in the state, built on an entirely new path in the 1970s.  The area is developable, with, by WV standards, some flatish land and a good population.   The other half, from Williamson to Bluefield, the King Coal Highway, passes through some of the economic basketcase of southern Mingo, Wyoming and McDowell counties.  Through areas where the terrain is so rugged that there simply is nothing that can be build, and a population (20% of what it was a generation ago) with not much ambition and no skills (those with either moved away).   To this you must add the Coalfield Expressway, US 121, from Beckley to Grundy.  Too many irons in the fire and non of it will ever be finished.  Look for a US 52 4 lane, someday, to US 119 at Williamson and a US 121 that runs about 20 miles west of Beckley and stops.  That is all that will ever be built.
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2011, 01:26:51 PM »

 the point is.. I-73 is going to be built, no matter where it is... because it is a part of Congress designed interstates.
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2011, 02:07:15 PM »

No that is not the point at all.  States, not the federal government, build roads.  All the federal government did was make SOME (not enough) money available for 73 and 74.  WV, OH, and MI, and probably VA are never going to take them up on it.  All US 52 will be in WV is a corridor, with at grade intersections and stop lights, IF it is ever built at all. 
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Re: I-73 updates?
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2011, 02:16:21 PM »

VA is taking a part on it.. only from NC state line towards Roanoke. They are fighting fund problems at this point.
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