New cities

[Poiponen13]

New cities could be constructed to Arctic. To have similar population density as same latitudes in Europe. I don't like that North America north of 60' has way, way lower population density that same latitudes in Europe. For example, Helsinki has 600,000 people and is located at 60'10N. Whitehorse is largest city in Canada north of 60', but it has only 28,000 people. By the way, Helsinki is largest city in the world entirely north of 60' (St. Petersburg, which is larger, is partially north of 60'). Midnight sun and polar night would be nice to sse in large cities, so I propose large cities to latitudes where they can be seen. Souky is example of such city.


Antarctica could also warm and get some cities. The high latitudes of southern hemisphere are too less populated, and they could also become more populated.

[Roadgeekteen]

Nobody wants to move to the arctic.

[Max Rockatansky]

Giving up on Souky already?

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=32873.msg2815550;topicseen#msg2815550

[Bruce]

I don't like that North America north of 60' has way, way lower population density that same latitudes in Europe. For example, Helsinki has 600,000 people and is located at 60'10N. Whitehorse is largest city in Canada north of 60', but it has only 28,000 people.

There's a little thing called the Jet Stream that makes Europe habitable at higher latitudes. Good luck farming and building a comfortable year-round city in northern Canada.

The high latitudes of southern hemisphere are too less populated, and they could also become more populated.

It's almost all ocean. Floating cities are expensive.

[kalvado]

I don't like that North America north of 60' has way, way lower population density that same latitudes in Europe. For example, Helsinki has 600,000 people and is located at 60'10N. Whitehorse is largest city in Canada north of 60', but it has only 28,000 people.

There's a little thing called the Jet Stream that makes Europe habitable at higher latitudes. Good luck farming and building a comfortable year-round city in northern Canada.

The high latitudes of southern hemisphere are too less populated, and they could also become more populated.

It's almost all ocean. Floating cities are expensive.

It is actually Gulfstream.
And as a demo - warning, huge GIF file:
https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/animations/scycle/World_ERAI_T2_scycle.gif
Just for reference, since that is in C: 0 - water freezing point, +20 - room temperature, above +30 - I desperately need an AC; -30 - if you need to use an outhouse, make sure you get a helper to break it off as it freezes.

[Scott5114]

New cities could be constructed to Arctic.

No, they couldn't. There's permafrost.

[hotdogPi]

Souky's motto is "Read Bio First". It was chosen so that people don't immediately decide to move there because it looks pretty with all the snow without thinking about it first.

(I'm not sure how many of you will get this reference.)

[hotdogPi]

Are these like underwater cities or something?

I've done it in Minecraft (well, on a personal scale), back when waterlogged blocks didn't exist and doors and signs blocked water.

[jgb191]

There must be a perfectly valid reason why the tropical latitudes hold the vast majority of world's population, while the two largest countries in the world are the most sparsely populated.  My best guess is that people tend to gravitate towards warmer climates....it's just human nature that warm weather is more attractive than cold weather.

The combined population of Canada, Alaska, Russia, and Antarctica is far less than that of Nigeria or Pakistan.

[kalvado]

There must be a perfectly valid reason why the tropical latitudes hold the vast majority of world's population, while the two largest countries in the world are the most sparsely populated.  My best guess is that people tend to gravitate towards warmer climates....it's just human nature that warm weather is more attractive than cold weather.

The combined population of Canada, Alaska, Russia, and Antarctica is far less than that of Nigeria or Pakistan.

Few reasons
1. Human species are endemic to sub-Saharan Africa, and the original outmigration was largely along the sea/ocean shore towards Asia, and along the Mediterranean sea. So we are designed for those areas.
2. ecosystem productivity, aka ability to grow food, which directly depends on the amount of sunshine vegetation can absorb. Better when the sky is high in the sky. Year-round vegetation helps a lot.
3. Simply more area - if my sleepy estimate is correct, tropics (as in 23N to 23S belt) account for 40% of earth's surface. (not sure about dry land). Polar areas, >66 deg, are 10% of the total surface.
4. Probably has something to do with landmass configuration. Continental areas - Siberia, Tibet and western China/Mongolia; Rockies and flyover US states; Sahara somewhat belongs here as well - are not good areas for agriculture.

[Poiponen13]

Antarctica could support cities.

[kalvado]

Antarctica could support cities.

But why?

[hotdogPi]

These temperatures don't seem unbearable, although it's an island off the coast and not on the mainland. (62°S; southern tip of Argentina is 55°S)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_George_Island_(South_Shetland_Islands%29

For those who don't click the link:

Warmest month: 32°-37°F (there's very little change between day and night during the summer)
Coldest month: 8°-28°F on one part of the island and 14°-25°F on another part

[Poiponen13]

Antarctica could warm. Its climate is currently either tundra (ET) or ice cap (EF) but it could warm (at least in some locations) to humid continental (Dfb) or subantarctic (Dfc).

[Max Rockatansky]

Antarctica could warm. Its climate is currently either tundra (ET) or ice cap (EF) but it could warm (at least in some locations) to humid continental (Dfb) or subantarctic (Dfc).

Ah yes, the Kernals12 approach.  Well played sir!

[kalvado]

Antarctica could warm. Its climate is currently either tundra (ET) or ice cap (EF) but it could warm (at least in some locations) to humid continental (Dfb) or subantarctic (Dfc).

Once the ice melts (and that is a veeery long shot!) most of Antarctica will be underwater.
As of right now, I believe Argentina has something like a small village on Antarctic peninsular. Also US main Antarctic base, McMurdo, has a population of about 3000 during local summer.

[Poiponen13]

Antarctica could warm. Its climate is currently either tundra (ET) or ice cap (EF) but it could warm (at least in some locations) to humid continental (Dfb) or subantarctic (Dfc).

Once the ice melts (and that is a veeery long shot!) most of Antarctica will be underwater.
As of right now, I believe Argentina has something like a small village on Antarctic peninsular. Also US main Antarctic base, McMurdo, has a population of about 3000 during local summer.

Antarctica would also support boreal (or austral) coniferous forests.

[kalvado]

Antarctica could warm. Its climate is currently either tundra (ET) or ice cap (EF) but it could warm (at least in some locations) to humid continental (Dfb) or subantarctic (Dfc).

Once the ice melts (and that is a veeery long shot!) most of Antarctica will be underwater.
As of right now, I believe Argentina has something like a small village on Antarctic peninsular. Also US main Antarctic base, McMurdo, has a population of about 3000 during local summer.

Antarctica would also support boreal (or austral) coniferous forests.

That's your dream, not a fact. Polar vortex with long winter would still be pretty harsh environment.
Until you have some climate engineering tech in mind...

[Max Rockatansky]

We could use a massive array of mirrors to focus the sunlight onto the weakest points in the ice layers to speed up melting, but these would have to be removed before the town was inhabited as obviously this would blind and burn anyone who stepped foot in the town.

Deploy your SWAT team.  They can use their helicopters and grapple hooks.

[Poiponen13]

Antarctica could warm. Its climate is currently either tundra (ET) or ice cap (EF) but it could warm (at least in some locations) to humid continental (Dfb) or subantarctic (Dfc).

Once the ice melts (and that is a veeery long shot!) most of Antarctica will be underwater.
As of right now, I believe Argentina has something like a small village on Antarctic peninsular. Also US main Antarctic base, McMurdo, has a population of about 3000 during local summer.

Antarctica would also support boreal (or austral) coniferous forests.

That's your dream, not a fact. Polar vortex with long winter would still be pretty harsh environment.
Until you have some climate engineering tech in mind...

Similar to taiga.

[Poiponen13]

We could use a massive array of mirrors to focus the sunlight onto the weakest points in the ice layers to speed up melting, but these would have to be removed before the town was inhabited as obviously this would blind and burn anyone who stepped foot in the town.

Yes! Both in Souky and Antarctica.

[kalvado]

Antarctica could warm. Its climate is currently either tundra (ET) or ice cap (EF) but it could warm (at least in some locations) to humid continental (Dfb) or subantarctic (Dfc).

Once the ice melts (and that is a veeery long shot!) most of Antarctica will be underwater.
As of right now, I believe Argentina has something like a small village on Antarctic peninsular. Also US main Antarctic base, McMurdo, has a population of about 3000 during local summer.

Antarctica would also support boreal (or austral) coniferous forests.

That's your dream, not a fact. Polar vortex with long winter would still be pretty harsh environment.
Until you have some climate engineering tech in mind...

Similar to taiga.

Did you compare latitudes properly?

[hotdogPi]

Did you compare latitudes properly?

Reply #14 (mine): 62°S
Helsinki: 60°N

Not that far apart in absolute value.

[Scott5114]

Antarctica could warm. Its climate is currently either tundra (ET) or ice cap (EF) but it could warm (at least in some locations) to humid continental (Dfb) or subantarctic (Dfc).

Once the ice melts (and that is a veeery long shot!) most of Antarctica will be underwater.
As of right now, I believe Argentina has something like a small village on Antarctic peninsular. Also US main Antarctic base, McMurdo, has a population of about 3000 during local summer.

Antarctica would also support boreal (or austral) coniferous forests.

As long as we're making shit up, can I get a tropical rainforest for Las Vegas?

[Poiponen13]

Antarctica could warm. Its climate is currently either tundra (ET) or ice cap (EF) but it could warm (at least in some locations) to humid continental (Dfb) or subantarctic (Dfc).

Once the ice melts (and that is a veeery long shot!) most of Antarctica will be underwater.
As of right now, I believe Argentina has something like a small village on Antarctic peninsular. Also US main Antarctic base, McMurdo, has a population of about 3000 during local summer.

Antarctica would also support boreal (or austral) coniferous forests.

As long as we're making shit up, can I get a tropical rainforest for Las Vegas?

Or lake to Las Vegas.