Which Highways in Your State are Most/Likely to be Clinched by Travelers

Started by JayhawkCO, August 19, 2024, 11:32:15 AM

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webny99

Quote from: Flint1979 on September 07, 2024, 09:07:12 AMWhy? The segment in Lansing is part of I-69 why would you only think of Detroit-Grand Rapids traffic? I'm talking about through traffic from Canada to points south and west of Michigan and vice versa.

If I'm understanding correctly it's because traffic using I-96 from Detroit/Lansing to Grand Rapids uses a piece of I-69 without clinching it. This reduces the clinch rate of I-69.

There's also quite a bit of traffic from Chicagoland and points west that would use I-94 to I-69, missing the southern section of I-69 in Michigan. This also reduces the clinch rate of I-69.





therocket

CA:

Most likely: Probably some urban freeway like I-805, I-605, I-710, or I-215

Least likely: Not counting CA-39 and CA-173, which are pretty much impossible to clinch unless you dedicate large amounts of time to hiking for the specific purpose of clinching the route, probably the long cross-state highways like CA-58, CA-299, and CA-78 and the extremely long routes like CA-1, US-101, I-5, and CA-99.

plain

For VA, I agree with the others in saying I-85 for most likely. Even though there are people that exit at US 58 upon leaving NC, it doesn't change my opinion.



Least likely would probably be:

VA 42 - because it's in sections, and it parallels I-81 and US 11 anyway

VA 156 - because its routing is just odd, to say the least

VA 165 - same reason as VA 156
Newark born, Richmond bred

US 89

Here is my contribution from Utah:

Most likely

Interstate: I-80. Gave some thought to I-84, but a lot of the traffic coming in from Idaho is likely going to stay on 15 and head down to Salt Lake.

US highway: US 163. There are exactly two small settlements on this route and neither of them have any significant road connections anywhere else. Yes, this is the shortest route that meets the 20-mile threshold, but everything else either has substantial cities along it, major route splits in the middle, or would never be clinched unless you were really trying to (looking at you, 89).

State highway: SR 257, which has just about nothing on it between the endpoints at Hinckley and Milford. There are plenty of other long, remote routes but all generally have some sort of route split or point of interest along the way that people might stop and turn around at.

Least likely

Interstate: I-215. Nobody is going to drive a 3/4 beltway in one go.

US highway: US 6, which is the third-longest US highway in the state, but Utah's US highways generally follow pretty sensible routings. Nobody is going to follow 6 all the way across the state given that US 50 has the exact same endpoints and follows a shorter, more direct route with more freeway.

State highway: leaving aside routes for parking lots and driver's test courses, probably SR 129, which is basically an east-west road stitched to a north-south road in Utah County. From the south end to its US 89 junction in American Fork, it would be substantially more direct to just use 89. SR 113 would also be a contender, but it makes for a good bypass of southern Heber City if US 40 or 189 were ever to close.


Bitmapped

Quote from: vdeane on September 06, 2024, 10:17:30 PM
Quote from: Dirt Roads on September 06, 2024, 07:29:54 PMSorry, that would be misinformation that I originally posted.  US-35 officially ends at I-64 and the remainder down to Teays Valley Road is (unposted) Spur US-35.
The mile markers seem to indicate otherwise.

Quote from: Dirt Roads on September 06, 2024, 07:29:54 PMOn the other hand, since the flyover from US-35 to eastbound I-64 leaves the route before the official endpoint, that would still result in a stub that Clinch purists would consider to not be clinched.  (Assuming that the signage posted above is not considered an "official" exemption).  :banghead:
I think most people recognize "one point per interchange" with respect to counting clinches, although there are exceptions.

WVDOT GIS at https://gis.transportation.wv.gov/measures2.0/ does show US 35 starting at the where the ramp from I-64 EB intersects the 4-lane highway. The part from there south is listed as US 35 Spur. I'm pretty sure that when the route first opened that US 35 mainline was set to start at Teays Valley Road, but I do see Spur 35 was shown by the 2014 Putnam County map.

With that in mind, I would figure that if you hit the ramps at the interchange, you've clinched US 35 so I guess that would make it the highest for US routes in WV.

WV 44 has the same sort of thing happening with what I think US 35 originally had. WV 44 extends just south south of the King Coal Highway mainline to Bens Creek Road, a county route, instead of ending at now/future US 52.

TheCatalyst31

Quote from: thspfc on August 27, 2024, 05:56:50 PMWisconsin

Interstate most likely
I-90; long distance traffic

US route most likely
US-2; US-141 would be the clear winner if not for its irrelevant southern terminus.

State route most likely
WI-173; shortcut road

Interstate least likely
I-94; the Milwaukee diversion both renders it irrelevant as a long distance route and adds tons of local traffic to the road, bringing down the percentage of clinchers

US route least likely
US-151; no reason you would ever clinch it unless you were actively trying to. Even US-12, 14, and 18 could happen accidentally due to Interstate closures/backups.

State route least likely
Tons of candidates but I'd go with WI-73.


Not sure I agree with US 151 as the least likely. If you're from Manitowoc and want to visit Iowa (or vice versa), and decide to take the scenic route to see a little of Madison along the way, you've clinched it in one shot. It won't happen often, especially since the routing through Madison is weird, but it seems more likely than bypassing all of I-94 north of Madison for US 12 on a trip from Minnesota to or from the bit of northeast Illinois that's closer to US 12 than I-90, I-94, or even US 14.

JayhawkCO

Quote from: TheCatalyst31 on September 14, 2024, 12:56:09 AM
Quote from: thspfc on August 27, 2024, 05:56:50 PMWisconsin

Interstate most likely
I-90; long distance traffic

US route most likely
US-2; US-141 would be the clear winner if not for its irrelevant southern terminus.

State route most likely
WI-173; shortcut road

Interstate least likely
I-94; the Milwaukee diversion both renders it irrelevant as a long distance route and adds tons of local traffic to the road, bringing down the percentage of clinchers

US route least likely
US-151; no reason you would ever clinch it unless you were actively trying to. Even US-12, 14, and 18 could happen accidentally due to Interstate closures/backups.

State route least likely
Tons of candidates but I'd go with WI-73.


Not sure I agree with US 151 as the least likely. If you're from Manitowoc and want to visit Iowa (or vice versa), and decide to take the scenic route to see a little of Madison along the way, you've clinched it in one shot. It won't happen often, especially since the routing through Madison is weird, but it seems more likely than bypassing all of I-94 north of Madison for US 12 on a trip from Minnesota to or from the bit of northeast Illinois that's closer to US 12 than I-90, I-94, or even US 14.

But what's dramatically more likely? That someone takes US151 when in Madison? Or that someone from Manitowoc wants to take the scenic route to Iowa?

Big John

^^And with the recent US 45 realignment in the Fond du Lac/Oshkosh area, who would follow that for route continutity?

TheCatalyst31

That's a good point - US 45 is less likely than either of those, especially given it has the concurrency with I-894.

74/171FAN

I was thinking about this thread yesterday when driving PA/NY 14 from US 15 at Trout Run (north of Williamsport) to Elmira.  My main question in regard to PA 14 applying to this thread is whether how many travelers take PA/NY 14 from Williamsport to Elmira (instead of US 15, I-99, and I-86) and the concurrencies PA 14 has with PA 414 in Canton and US 6 in Troy.
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keithvh

Quote from: citrus on August 20, 2024, 08:12:21 PMFor California, I like the I-205 suggestion and I think I-505 would fall under the same bucket. I think for an even longer route, I-40 should be under consideration. It's the only other interstate in CA that doesn't involve a major metro area where there will be a lot of local traffic. The only other traffic generator I can really think of is Needles and US-95, but I think that would be quite sparse compared with the long-haul traffic on I-40.

For state routes, similar to the Nevada answers, something like 177 or 371 that connects two larger routes with not much in between stands out. 154 as well - with GPS often sending through traffic that way, I could see more end-to-end 154 traffic than local traffic on that route. 167 and 182 just connect to Nevada, and I doubt there would be much, if any traffic traversing just part of it. Same for 270 to Bodie, and US-199 to Oregon (although 197 will take some away from that). There are also some shorter dead-end routes (207, 217, 282) and shorter connector routes (149, 183) that probably get a lot of full clinches are but are well under 20 miles.

Otherwise - there are a ton of routes that are really long and have sections that are well-travelled but also sections that are not - it would be pretty rare for someone to drive something like 4 or 46 or 152 all the way end-to-end, even though they are quite major routes. To say nothing of 1, 99, or US-101.

California doesn't have many US routes --- only 8 of them! (counting US-395 as 2 separate segments) --- but I'd think that a majority of drivers on US-6, US-97 and US-199 might be thru travelers.

US-6 only has 1 intersection (beyond it's end): CA-120.  Whatever Yosemite & Mammoth to Central Nevada traffic exists would take CA-120.  But who else?  People traveling from South Tahoe to Las Vegas, it's easiest to get to US-95 by traveling west up by Tahoe, as opposed to CA-120, right?  That's what Google Maps suggests.  Mammoth to Vegas traffic would take CA-166 and NV-262 instead of CA-120, US-6, I think.

US-97 would have some "within the city of Weed" traffic, but beyond that it's primarily a connector up to and down from Klamath Falls.  Unless Mount Shasta backpacking/outdoor traffic uses US-97 for a stretch before peeling off?

US-199 is of course the coast-to-inland connector through the Redwoods.  Only 1 intersection with a state route (CA-197) besides its end.  But I suppose there could be southern Oregon traffic that uses CA-197 as a cutoff to get to US-199 and the inland.  Curious what those numbers would be.

citrus

Quote from: keithvh on September 20, 2024, 06:28:13 PMUS-6 only has 1 intersection (beyond it's end): CA-120.  Whatever Yosemite & Mammoth to Central Nevada traffic exists would take CA-120.  But who else?  People traveling from South Tahoe to Las Vegas, it's easiest to get to US-95 by traveling west up by Tahoe, as opposed to CA-120, right?  That's what Google Maps suggests.  Mammoth to Vegas traffic would take CA-166 and NV-262 instead of CA-120, US-6, I think.

I was on a road trip driving back to the Bay Area from Panaca, NV and Cathedral Gorge, and that took me right along US-6 to CA-120!  :D

keithvh

Quote from: citrus on September 20, 2024, 07:29:58 PMI was on a road trip driving back to the Bay Area from Panaca, NV and Cathedral Gorge, and that took me right along US-6 to CA-120!  :D

Nice, we found somebody!  That's DEFINITELY a "use case" for using only California's portion of US-6 that's north of CA-120.

Bay Area/Stockton/Modesto to Tonopah/Ely/Pioche/Caliente/Cedar City, UT/Bryce Canyon.  A real adventurous sort could even take that route to get to Denver.

tmthyvs

British Columbia:

Most likely is probably BC 97-C. There's basically nothing to get off the road for, and it serves as the major freeway route between the lower mainland and the central Okanagan. Honorable mention to BC 37-A, but local traffic to Stewart might not hit the end of the highway.

Least likely I'm going to go with TCH-1. Given the massive quantities of local traffic in Victoria, Nanaimo, Greater Vancouver, and Kamloops, along with the fact that it isn't actually the direct route to anywhere (Victoria to Vancouver is shorter via BC-17; Vancouver to Kamloops you'd take BC-5). Honorable mentions here to BC 97 which is really more like 3 different highways strung together and TCH-16, which also has a ferry to Haida Gwaii, and a portion near Alberta that is part of the quickest route between Edmonton and Vancouver.

bugo


bugo

Quote from: JayhawkCO on August 20, 2024, 12:51:28 PMMy examples from Kansas:
US Highway: US73 (91.12 miles) - Not a lot of great options in KS to choose from over the 20 mile limit, but this is a fairly direct route if you're going from the western side of the KC metro to Lincoln.

I wouldn't go that way even if I were in western Wyandotte County. I would take 435 to 29 to 2 to 2. I wouldn't consider going any other way.

QuoteState Highway: K-10 (36.611 miles) - Depending on traffic, the quickest way from Topeka to the southern portion of the KC metro.

And it's toll-free.

QuoteUS Highway: US159 (52.3 miles) - It's easier to have traveled this via the concurrency with US73 than it is to have taken its small independent section.

When I lived in Kansas City nearly 25 years ago, I got bored one night and drove the entire length of US 159, just to say that I did.

bugo

Quote from: hbelkins on August 19, 2024, 03:03:28 PMFor Kentucky, the most likely would be either I-24 or I-71.

Now that you mention it, I have all of 71 in Kentucky, plus the Ohio stretch south of Columbus. I never thought of it.

Kulerage

I'll take a crack at North Carolina and say possibly I-95, as all our other major thru routes serve too many major population centers to be considered. I was going to do US and State highways too, but there's far too many small segments somewhere that are replaced by a far better route, excluding them as choices and I don't have the sanity to deal with this right now.

boilerup25

New Jersey, so this is a tough one.

Most Likely -
Interstate: I-195. The areas I-195 serves (with the exceptions of endpoints) aren't as densely developed as other interstates in NJ, and I-195 is an east-west route with few strange turns and spaced out exits.

US Route: US 40. Sparse development for a large portion of the route.

State Route: NJ 700 (NJ Turnpike) or NJ 446 (Atlantic City Expressway). Similar reasons as each other with widely spaced exits and less development near the roads.

Least Likely -

Interstate: I-295. This beats I-287 because I-295 hooks to bypass Trenton in a 3/4 loop, and I-295 north of Bordentown isn't really a "through route" for longer destinations. I-287 at the very least is a through route for large trucks to go from the NJ Turnpike to the NY Thruway.

US Route: Pick your route here. I'll pick US 9.

State Route: Again, pick your route here. I'll pick the Garden State Parkway (NJ 444).


Rothman

Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

boilerup25

Quote from: Rothman on November 18, 2024, 12:21:35 PMI-195 as most likely to be clinched?  Over the NJTP?

The NJTP is not an Interstate Highway from Exit 1 to 6, so that explains my choice. If you meant I-95 (PA Turnpike connector + NJTP from Exit 6 onwards), then you have a point.

tmthyvs

Quote from: tmthyvs on October 01, 2024, 04:22:59 PMBritish Columbia:

Most likely is probably BC 97-C. There's basically nothing to get off the road for, and it serves as the major freeway route between the lower mainland and the central Okanagan. Honorable mention to BC 37-A, but local traffic to Stewart might not hit the end of the highway.

I'm going to need to adjust that, since I clearly forgot that BC 97-C also includes the stretch west of Merritt. New favorites are 37-A, 395, and 97-D.

Quillz

For California, the eastern half of CA-169 is probably the least likely to be clinched. This is a route that is already a spur of a fairly remote route, and the only reason you'd ever be on it is if you want to go to the native reservation in the area. (It also provides alternate access into the Redwood Curtain, via the Bald Hills Road, but this is not a road the typical person would ever choose over the more sensible CA-299 to the south).

It's basically a dead end route. Of course, historically, this was part of the original CA-96 and was intended to reach the coast and US-101. But the middle segment that follows the Klamath River has never been built. And the western half of CA-169 is short enough and near some popular tourist traps that it's far more likely to be clinched than the eastern half.

I would have said CA-266, but as both ends continue into Nevada, it likely has more traffic than I would assume.

Other short routes I can think of, like CA-197 or CA-207, are alternate ways to reach popular tourist destinations. And are under 10 miles. Eastern CA-169 is around 20 miles and doesn't go to any significant tourist areas.

mgk920

Here in Wisconsin, I would also think that US 53 has a very low rate of being driven from end to end in single trips.  Also, present US 141 has that city street section throgh the Green Bay area.

Mike

bassoon1986

Louisiana
Most Likely:

Interstate: I-12. Other than some commuters hopping on and off in Baton Rouge metro, this interstate has the greatest chance of the Louisiana interstates to be driven from end to end as it is the shortest route for I-10 travelers.

US Highway: Honestly it's US 63. Most other routes are parallel to interstate corridors or just wacky end to end routes that a person wouldnt normally take (ex: US 84). I'd venture to say most people traveling southbound from El Dorado AR crossing the state line and going all the way to I-20, and that clinches all of 63 here.

State highway: LA 12 or LA 66 are good contenders here. LA 66 is the main entrance to Angola penitentiary from US 61. Other than a turn off to Mississippi, most are probably driving the full length. LA 12 is the more logical drive continuing from US 190 west into TX rather than following 190 north and west again.

Least likely:
Interstate: I-49. Nobody with the gap from the ICC in Shreveport is going to follow I-49 to what was the northbound terminus at I-20 and then snake a few miles in Shreveport to pick it back up again at I-220 to go to Arkansas. If they're driving I-49 from the south and planning to drive thru to Arkansas they'll take the Inner Loop LA 3132. Honorable mention: I-10

US highway: Either US 90 for such a long parallel to I-10 and its long route towards the coast and New Orleans. Or US 371 because of it's funky routing

State highway: Lots of Louisiana state highways that could work here because of convoluted routings that no one would drive end to end (LA 112, LA 15, LA 16) but LA 10 is a good Louisiana example of not really being able to drive it end to end. Nobody is going to drive LA 10 to the old ferry landing in Melville, backtrack and go around to the other side of the Atchafalaya River down a dirt road LA 10 just to finish it all unless they're a hard core road geek  :biggrin:



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