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Started by roadman65, October 28, 2024, 03:36:48 AM

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roadman65

How do you all deal with friends who say stuff about roads that are wrong?

Better yet, if a friend says a road you know well is something that is not, and calls you for knowing too much about worthless topics how do you handle them?
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hotdogPi

I'm not finding the error.
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Rothman

Quote from: hotdogPi on October 28, 2024, 08:00:39 AMI'm not finding the error.

Perhaps Roadman thinks there's only one Union Township in PA?
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

webny99

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Quote from: hotdogPi on October 28, 2024, 08:00:39 AMI'm not finding the error.

I-78 doesn't connect with I-280. Worth pointing out, but forgivable.

Also, "vital for transporting goods between the Midwest and the Northeast" could be debated. In my estimation, most long haul traffic approaching Harrisburg on I-78 is continuing south on I-81 towards the interior southeast. Though I suppose some traffic would be taking I-78 > I-81 > I-76 > I-70, the majority of traffic between Northeast and Midwest would be using I-80. But that's also forgivable, if you even consider it an error at all.

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1995hoo

Quote from: webny99 on October 28, 2024, 08:29:59 AM
Quote from: hotdogPi on October 28, 2024, 08:00:39 AMI'm not finding the error.

I-78 doesn't connect with I-280. Worth pointing out, but forgivable.

....

Arguably, that depends on how one defines or uses the word "connects." If one takes it to mean a direct interchange without using another road, then it's an error. If instead it's used in the sense of passing close by so that you can easily access one from the other, then it's arguably not an error (the connection is especially easy westbound if you don't count traffic volume as part of "easy").
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paulthemapguy

Quote from: roadman65 on October 28, 2024, 03:36:48 AMI'm sure we all have our stories dealing with non road geeks and when we argue we all get looks or said to be worrying about nothing.

On the other hand, can you imagine the stories non-roadgeeks have about dealing with road geeks? Can you imagine all those times the normies must be lamenting the size of the negative reaction they got from this random person, who lost their mind calling it sacrilege when they heard someone misunderstand a detail about a field they didn't spend years of their life studying, so why would they know every last detail about it?  Most people aren't experts about this stuff. We should get used to it.  I hesitate to call most roadgeeks "experts" in the first place, as most of them don't hold the knowledge actually leveraged to bring about reliable, functional roadway facilities and systems anyway.
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Quote from: paulthemapguy on October 28, 2024, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 28, 2024, 03:36:48 AMI'm sure we all have our stories dealing with non road geeks and when we argue we all get looks or said to be worrying about nothing.

On the other hand, can you imagine the stories non-roadgeeks have about dealing with road geeks? Can you imagine all those times the normies must be lamenting the size of the negative reaction they got from this random person, who lost their mind calling it sacrilege when they heard someone misunderstand a detail about a field they didn't spend years of their life studying, so why would they know every last detail about it?  Most people aren't experts about this stuff. We should get used to it.  I hesitate to call most roadgeeks "experts" in the first place, as most of them don't hold the knowledge actually leveraged to bring about reliable, functional roadway facilities and systems anyway.

Here is a statistic about the GN Facebook page.  On average 99.4% of our post reactions come from non-followers.  We tend to get leagues more engagement from non-road people.  That being the case it would be in our interest to be friendlier and explain things when needed.  I've had to stop several road world people from jumping on normal-person commenters.  Most people don't give a shit about pedantic detail, they just want to see something that interests them. 

roadman65

Quote from: Rothman on October 28, 2024, 08:23:11 AM
Quote from: hotdogPi on October 28, 2024, 08:00:39 AMI'm not finding the error.

Perhaps Roadman thinks there's only one Union Township in PA?

No the I-280 connection.

I-78 don't intersect it.
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webny99

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Quote from: 1995hoo on October 28, 2024, 10:18:10 AM
Quote from: webny99 on October 28, 2024, 08:29:59 AM
Quote from: hotdogPi on October 28, 2024, 08:00:39 AMI'm not finding the error.

I-78 doesn't connect with I-280. Worth pointing out, but forgivable.

....

Arguably, that depends on how one defines or uses the word "connects." If one takes it to mean a direct interchange without using another road, then it's an error. If instead it's used in the sense of passing close by so that you can easily access one from the other, then it's arguably not an error (the connection is especially easy westbound if you don't count traffic volume as part of "easy").

I sort of figured that the bolded part of my comment would be the equivalent of labeling the original statement "mostly false" on a truth meter, since it requires using several miles of I-95, and isn't part of the same interchange.

And not that it matters but I'm also unsure what in particular is easier about making the connection westbound than eastbound. At first glance it looks similar in both directions, but it's a complicated area to navigate to say the least.

hbelkins

So, which Facebook page did that come from, "Culture" or "World Culture?"  :bigass:
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formulanone

Quote from: paulthemapguy on October 28, 2024, 10:34:20 AMOn the other hand, can you imagine the stories non-roadgeeks have about dealing with road geeks?

"...collects maps, in this day and age?"

"...and then when I asked for directions, he started spouting about 'that road should really be even-numbered', or some such weirdness..."

"...argued about the choice of cities on those green signs; at least I think they're green..."

"...imagine not following your GPS in today's world, you might die; or worse, show up early..."

"...this weirdo was editing photos of road signs while sitting right next to me..."

(I have a hunch that last one has been said about me at least once after a flight.)

Rothman

Quote from: roadman65 on October 28, 2024, 11:19:57 AM
Quote from: Rothman on October 28, 2024, 08:23:11 AM
Quote from: hotdogPi on October 28, 2024, 08:00:39 AMI'm not finding the error.

Perhaps Roadman thinks there's only one Union Township in PA?

No the I-280 connection.

I-78 don't intersect it.

Heh.  Sure, it's an error, but nothing more and nothing less, especially since Google routinely routes people from the Holland Tunnel to I-280 (via NJ 139 and NJ 7) headed west.
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1995hoo

Quote from: webny99 on October 28, 2024, 12:24:51 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 28, 2024, 10:18:10 AM
Quote from: webny99 on October 28, 2024, 08:29:59 AM
Quote from: hotdogPi on October 28, 2024, 08:00:39 AMI'm not finding the error.

I-78 doesn't connect with I-280. Worth pointing out, but forgivable.

....

Arguably, that depends on how one defines or uses the word "connects." If one takes it to mean a direct interchange without using another road, then it's an error. If instead it's used in the sense of passing close by so that you can easily access one from the other, then it's arguably not an error (the connection is especially easy westbound if you don't count traffic volume as part of "easy").

I sort of figured that the bolded part of my comment would be the equivalent of labeling the original statement "mostly false" on a truth meter, since it requires using several miles of I-95, and isn't part of the same interchange.

And not that it matters but I'm also unsure what in particular is easier about making the connection westbound than eastbound. At first glance it looks similar in both directions, but it's a complicated area to navigate to say the least.

Come out of the Holland Tunnel, bear left at the split as if you were going to the Pulaski Skyway, then exit right to the Newark–Jersey City Turnpike. Takes you directly to I-280.

If I were coming eastbound, I'd probably use the Garden State Parkway to connect. The other obvious option is NJ-21, but that has traffic lights through downtown Newark. Going east all the way to the Turnpike just seems too far out of the way.

Either way, I think the OP is overreacting and exaggerating by painting with a broad brush to label all "non road geeks" as "bad" based on a relatively trivial issue, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by that.
"You know, you never have a guaranteed spot until you have a spot guaranteed."
—Olaf Kolzig, as quoted in the Washington Times on March 28, 2003,
commenting on the Capitals clinching a playoff spot.

"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
—Kolzig, to the same reporter a few seconds later.

epzik8

Quote from: paulthemapguy on October 28, 2024, 10:34:20 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 28, 2024, 03:36:48 AMI'm sure we all have our stories dealing with non road geeks and when we argue we all get looks or said to be worrying about nothing.

On the other hand, can you imagine the stories non-roadgeeks have about dealing with road geeks? Can you imagine all those times the normies must be lamenting the size of the negative reaction they got from this random person, who lost their mind calling it sacrilege when they heard someone misunderstand a detail about a field they didn't spend years of their life studying, so why would they know every last detail about it?  Most people aren't experts about this stuff. We should get used to it.  I hesitate to call most roadgeeks "experts" in the first place, as most of them don't hold the knowledge actually leveraged to bring about reliable, functional roadway facilities and systems anyway.

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In this thread, people have been speaking about non-roadgeeks as if they were infallibly human.  But the snippet Roadman65 shared sounded very inauthentic to me, so I ran it through GPTZero, an AI detector I learned about on a writing forum.

QuoteInterstate 78 (I-78) is a major east-west highway that runs from Union Township in Pennsylvania to New York City. Spanning approximately 144 miles, it connects rural, suburban, and urban areas across Pennsylvania and New Jersey. In Pennsylvania, the highway travels through the Lehigh Valley, passing cities like Allentown and Bethlehem. Entering New Jersey, it moves through towns such as Clinton and Springfield, eventually reaching the densely populated areas near Newark and Jersey City before crossing into Manhattan via the Holland Tunnel.

I-78 is a key route for commuters, commercial traffic, and long-distance travelers. It connects with major highways, including I-287, I-280, and I-95 (the New Jersey Turnpike). Known for heavy traffic, especially near New York City, it serves as a significant corridor for regional and interstate travel. This route also sees frequent congestion, particularly around urban centers, and is vital for transporting goods between the Midwest and the Northeast.

GPTZero asserts, with 100% confidence, that the quoted text is AI-generated.
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webny99

Quote from: 1995hoo on October 28, 2024, 02:04:02 PMCome out of the Holland Tunnel, bear left at the split as if you were going to the Pulaski Skyway, then exit right to the Newark–Jersey City Turnpike. Takes you directly to I-280.

OK, makes sense. I hadn't considered that route. This also looks to be possible in reverse (eastbound) but it's slightly more complicated as it requires passing through this mess at surface level.



Quote from: 1995hoo on October 28, 2024, 02:04:02 PMEither way, I think the OP is overreacting and exaggerating by painting with a broad brush to label all "non road geeks" as "bad" based on a relatively trivial issue, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by that.

Fully agreed, to be clear. I was just playing along with the OP's game by pointing out what I thought the error was, since it seemed that many/most others either didn't catch it or disagreed that it was an error.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: J N Winkler on October 28, 2024, 03:15:10 PMIn this thread, people have been speaking about non-roadgeeks as if they were infallibly human.  But the snippet Roadman65 shared sounded very inauthentic to me, so I ran it through GPTZero, an AI detector I learned about on a writing forum.

QuoteInterstate 78 (I-78) is a major east-west highway that runs from Union Township in Pennsylvania to New York City. Spanning approximately 144 miles, it connects rural, suburban, and urban areas across Pennsylvania and New Jersey. In Pennsylvania, the highway travels through the Lehigh Valley, passing cities like Allentown and Bethlehem. Entering New Jersey, it moves through towns such as Clinton and Springfield, eventually reaching the densely populated areas near Newark and Jersey City before crossing into Manhattan via the Holland Tunnel.

I-78 is a key route for commuters, commercial traffic, and long-distance travelers. It connects with major highways, including I-287, I-280, and I-95 (the New Jersey Turnpike). Known for heavy traffic, especially near New York City, it serves as a significant corridor for regional and interstate travel. This route also sees frequent congestion, particularly around urban centers, and is vital for transporting goods between the Midwest and the Northeast.

GPTZero asserts, with 100% confidence, that the quoted text is AI-generated.

I suspected Roadman65 was sharing another AI post.  I guess that I need to learn better than to give the benefit of the doubt.

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Whether or not it is AI, I feel like the actual problem here is sharing content identified as deficient just for the purpose of commenting on how deficient it is. That isn't really something we need on the forum—ideally bad content should just be ignored rather than spread.
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webny99

Quote from: J N Winkler on October 28, 2024, 03:15:10 PMGPTZero asserts, with 100% confidence, that the quoted text is AI-generated.

It honestly never occurred to me that this text might not be AI generated. Based on the writing style, organization and flow of ideas, and the fact that it was referred to as an article, I just assumed it was.

I figured that whoever shared this with roadman65 was being criticized as uninformed because they didn't pick up on the error, not because they wrote the piece themselves. In re-reading, that probably wasn't the case, but I hadn't thought about it that deeply.

webny99

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Quote from: Scott5114 on October 28, 2024, 03:41:32 PMWhether or not it is AI, I feel like the actual problem here is sharing content identified as deficient just for the purpose of commenting on how deficient it is. That isn't really something we need on the forum—ideally bad content should just be ignored rather than spread.

Agreed; however, the sentiment shared by paulthemapguy, formulanone and others in response has plenty of potential for a more interesting and positive discussion (or at the very least, of a more humorous and self-deprecating nature rather than just broad brush criticism of everyone outside the forum).

formulanone

Quote from: webny99 on October 28, 2024, 03:50:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 28, 2024, 03:41:32 PMWhether or not it is AI, I feel like the actual problem here is sharing content identified as deficient just for the purpose of commenting on how deficient it is. That isn't really something we need on the forum—ideally bad content should just be ignored rather than spread.

Agreed; however, the sentiment shared by paulthemapguy, formulanone and others in response has plenty of potential for a more interesting and positive discussion (or at the very least, of a more humorous and self-deprecating nature rather than just broad brush criticism of everyone outside the forum).

In any hobby or fandom, the know-nothings and the know-it-alls are either equally insufferable or amazing sources of satori.

Max Rockatansky

Quote from: webny99 on October 28, 2024, 03:50:48 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 28, 2024, 03:41:32 PMWhether or not it is AI, I feel like the actual problem here is sharing content identified as deficient just for the purpose of commenting on how deficient it is. That isn't really something we need on the forum—ideally bad content should just be ignored rather than spread.

Agreed; however, the sentiment shared by paulthemapguy, formulanone and others in response has plenty of potential for a more interesting and positive discussion (or at the very least, of a more humorous and self-deprecating nature rather than just broad brush criticism of everyone outside the forum).

Let's be actually fair, only one person has been sharing these kinds of posts lately here.  This is just a tip of the iceberg of these kinds of shares by multiple people off forum.  Facebook road groups are getting particularly bad with this kind of stuff.

jeffandnicole

Quote from: webny99 on October 28, 2024, 08:29:59 AM
Quote from: hotdogPi on October 28, 2024, 08:00:39 AMI'm not finding the error.

I-78 doesn't connect with I-280. Worth pointing out, but forgivable.

Also, "vital for transporting goods between the Midwest and the Northeast" could be debated. In my estimation, most long haul traffic approaching Harrisburg on I-78 is continuing south on I-81 towards the interior southeast. Though I suppose some traffic would be taking I-78 > I-81 > I-76 > I-70, the majority of traffic between Northeast and Midwest would be using I-80. But that's also forgivable, if you even consider it an error at all.

The "vital for transporting goods between (Point A) and (Point B)" statement could be said for nearly all interstate highways, especially 2 di routes. Sure, there's some routes like I-97 where it's more a convenience for commuters or vacationers, but for the most part, I- routes move goods well.



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