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Started by 74/171FAN, November 12, 2024, 03:15:32 PM

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74/171FAN

Quote from: mvak36 on November 12, 2024, 11:00:22 AMLooks like they posted the results from the annual meeting at https://grmservices.grmims.com/vsearch/portal/public/na4/aashto/default. Like the OP said, you just have to search by year.

I-440 AR, replacing AR 440
US 41/US 98 FL, realignments in Brooksville
US 12 MN, realignment in Willmar
US 64 BUS/US 70 BUS, NC, elimination of Morganton business routes
US 311 NC, truncated to NC 74 (Future I-74)
I-99 PA, adding to US 15 from Williamsport to NY Line, no application here in regard to eliminating US 15 between Williamsport and I-86 or an elimination of US 15 BUS in Mansfield, PA (though that could be somewhat replaced with an extension of PA 660)
US 14/US 83 SD (replacing their bypass routes in Pierre)
I-69E TX, extension south to Kingsville along US 77
US 58 VA, Four-lane realignment west of Damascus that was opened earlier this year (there are multiple applications involving widening (not sure why that was necessary as we only care about the realignment)
I am now a PennDOT employee.  My opinions/views do not necessarily reflect the opinions/views of PennDOT.

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NE2

Interesting that there's no mention of the RIRO in the I-99 application, even though other deficiencies are listed.
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PNWRoadgeek

More news on I-69 in Texas is pretty nice, and a major I-99 mention as well. Lots of interesting things to pick out here, will probably dive in more when I have time.
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vdeane

Quote from: NE2 on November 12, 2024, 04:34:22 PMInteresting that there's no mention of the RIRO in the I-99 application, even though other deficiencies are listed.
PennDOT has a project to eliminate that.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

NE2

Quote from: vdeane on November 12, 2024, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 12, 2024, 04:34:22 PMInteresting that there's no mention of the RIRO in the I-99 application, even though other deficiencies are listed.
PennDOT has a project to eliminate that.
Got a link? First I'm hearing of it.
pre-1945 Florida route log

I accept and respect your identity as long as it's not dumb shit like "identifying as a vaccinated attack helicopter".

webny99

Quote from: NE2 on November 12, 2024, 08:32:30 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 12, 2024, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 12, 2024, 04:34:22 PMInteresting that there's no mention of the RIRO in the I-99 application, even though other deficiencies are listed.
PennDOT has a project to eliminate that.
Got a link? First I'm hearing of it.

Also curious how this would work out practically, since it's over 10 miles and roughly 30 minutes to detour back to PA 14.

vdeane

Quote from: NE2 on November 12, 2024, 08:32:30 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 12, 2024, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 12, 2024, 04:34:22 PMInteresting that there's no mention of the RIRO in the I-99 application, even though other deficiencies are listed.
PennDOT has a project to eliminate that.
Got a link? First I'm hearing of it.
It's somewhere in the CE system; I remember a link being posted to one of the PA threads, but search isn't being useful right now.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: vdeane on November 12, 2024, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 12, 2024, 08:32:30 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 12, 2024, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 12, 2024, 04:34:22 PMInteresting that there's no mention of the RIRO in the I-99 application, even though other deficiencies are listed.
PennDOT has a project to eliminate that.
Got a link? First I'm hearing of it.
It's somewhere in the CE system; I remember a link being posted to one of the PA threads, but search isn't being useful right now.

There's some discussion in this thread including some links but none of them seem to work, at least not on mobile.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25889.75
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74/171FAN

Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on November 12, 2024, 10:29:54 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 12, 2024, 09:11:08 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 12, 2024, 08:32:30 PM
Quote from: vdeane on November 12, 2024, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 12, 2024, 04:34:22 PMInteresting that there's no mention of the RIRO in the I-99 application, even though other deficiencies are listed.
PennDOT has a project to eliminate that.
Got a link? First I'm hearing of it.
It's somewhere in the CE system; I remember a link being posted to one of the PA threads, but search isn't being useful right now.

There's some discussion in this thread including some links but none of them seem to work, at least not on mobile.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25889.75

I updated the link there.
I am now a PennDOT employee.  My opinions/views do not necessarily reflect the opinions/views of PennDOT.

Travel Mapping: https://travelmapping.net/user/?units=miles&u=markkos1992
Mob-Rule:  https://mob-rule.com/user/markkos1992

Quillz

When changes are being made to US highways, do they need to conform to interstate standards now? I thought I recall that being a requirement at some point. (At least in regards to US-121).

brad2971

https://www.facebook.com/groups/125578097473888/

The reason for relocating US 14-83 in Pierre is reflected in this Facebook group dedicated to the low railroad bridge that goes over the current US 14-83.

Henry

Ever since the I-57 extension to Little Rock came about, I figured it would only be a matter of time before I-440 got extended over AR 440 to meet the new 2di. It's also great that I-69 and I-99 are getting new additions as well.
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MikieTimT

Quote from: Henry on November 13, 2024, 10:13:31 PMEver since the I-57 extension to Little Rock came about, I figured it would only be a matter of time before I-440 got extended over AR 440 to meet the new 2di. It's also great that I-69 and I-99 are getting new additions as well.

And that's good enough for Google Maps.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/8tDSQNZP7KZ3LgQp9

Molandfreak

Quote from: brad2971 on November 13, 2024, 09:59:01 PMhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/125578097473888/

The reason for relocating US 14-83 in Pierre is reflected in this Facebook group dedicated to the low railroad bridge that goes over the current US 14-83.

There's already a posted truck route and plenty of advanced warning before the bridge. They're probably looking to turn this section of 14/83 back to the city of Pierre.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 05, 2023, 08:24:57 PMAASHTO attributes 28.5% of highway inventory shrink to bad road fan social media posts.

WillWeaverRVA

Quote from: Quillz on November 13, 2024, 04:08:55 PMWhen changes are being made to US highways, do they need to conform to interstate standards now? I thought I recall that being a requirement at some point. (At least in regards to US-121).

They don't. AASHTO has separate standards for approving US highway corridors.
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SD Mapman

Quote from: Molandfreak on November 13, 2024, 11:53:00 PM
Quote from: brad2971 on November 13, 2024, 09:59:01 PMhttps://www.facebook.com/groups/125578097473888/

The reason for relocating US 14-83 in Pierre is reflected in this Facebook group dedicated to the low railroad bridge that goes over the current US 14-83.

There's already a posted truck route and plenty of advanced warning before the bridge. They're probably looking to turn this section of 14/83 back to the city of Pierre.

No, the reasoning is really to avoid that low bridge. Apparently, no one pays attention to the signs. I heard about this at work a couple months ago, and I moved the trunk route to the bypass in OSM to help DOT out. The old section of 14/83 to 1804 will become SD 1889 (would have preferred SD 199 but that's my own personal preference) and 1804 will be extended north to the current bypass junction (north of Walmart/Menards).
The traveler sees what he sees, the tourist sees what he has come to see. - G.K. Chesterton

CtrlAltDel

Quote from: Henry on November 13, 2024, 10:13:31 PMEver since the I-57 extension to Little Rock came about, I figured it would only be a matter of time before I-440 got extended over AR 440 to meet the new 2di.

It's not officially official, though, until it's on Travel Mapping. :-D
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Scott5114

Quote from: SD Mapman on November 16, 2024, 09:35:58 AMThe old section of 14/83 to 1804 will become SD 1889 (would have preferred SD 199 but that's my own personal preference)

1889 is when South Dakota became a state, for anyone else who was wondering what the rationale was.
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Max Rockatansky

My blog on stand-along State Road 700 in Brooksville suddenly has become vintage.

https://www.gribblenation.org/2023/07/florida-state-road-700-in-brooksville.html

Now I wonder if State Road 50A is getting the axe?  Relinquishing all those roads to Brooksville seems to imply that will be the case.

roadman65

Is SR 700 in Lakeland independent of US 92 and 98 ( Lake Parker Avenue) state maintained? I noticed that it deviates since SR 548 came to life realigning US 98 there, and wonders if FDOT still has it.
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SD Mapman

Quote from: Scott5114 on November 18, 2024, 05:38:11 AM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 16, 2024, 09:35:58 AMThe old section of 14/83 to 1804 will become SD 1889 (would have preferred SD 199 but that's my own personal preference)

1889 is when South Dakota became a state, for anyone else who was wondering what the rationale was.

Yup, I understand the rationale but I'm a grid purist...
The traveler sees what he sees, the tourist sees what he has come to see. - G.K. Chesterton

SEWIGuy

Quote from: SD Mapman on November 29, 2024, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 18, 2024, 05:38:11 AM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 16, 2024, 09:35:58 AMThe old section of 14/83 to 1804 will become SD 1889 (would have preferred SD 199 but that's my own personal preference)

1889 is when South Dakota became a state, for anyone else who was wondering what the rationale was.

Yup, I understand the rationale but I'm a grid purist...

Don't be. Grids are useless.

Rothman

Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 30, 2024, 08:03:08 AM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 29, 2024, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 18, 2024, 05:38:11 AM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 16, 2024, 09:35:58 AMThe old section of 14/83 to 1804 will become SD 1889 (would have preferred SD 199 but that's my own personal preference)

1889 is when South Dakota became a state, for anyone else who was wondering what the rationale was.

Yup, I understand the rationale but I'm a grid purist...

Don't be. Grids are useless.

Most of the cities and towns in this country disagree.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position(s) of NYSDOT.

Max Rockatansky

A great many in this hobby have instilled in me the virtues of non-grid and non-pattern based numerical chaos.  Disorder is so much more interesting than order.

SEWIGuy

Quote from: Rothman on November 30, 2024, 09:54:30 AM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on November 30, 2024, 08:03:08 AM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 29, 2024, 11:34:40 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on November 18, 2024, 05:38:11 AM
Quote from: SD Mapman on November 16, 2024, 09:35:58 AMThe old section of 14/83 to 1804 will become SD 1889 (would have preferred SD 199 but that's my own personal preference)

1889 is when South Dakota became a state, for anyone else who was wondering what the rationale was.

Yup, I understand the rationale but I'm a grid purist...

Don't be. Grids are useless.

Most of the cities and towns in this country disagree.

A numerical grid of a state highway system is useless.



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