Remaining roadways with non-overlaid jointed reinforced concrete pavement

Started by Crown Victoria, January 05, 2025, 12:20:42 PM

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Crown Victoria

Having done some recent trips around PA and New Jersey, I've noticed some roadways with older jointed reinforced concrete pavement (JRCP) that have not yet been overlaid with other pavement (asphalt or concrete). Most of those roads have to be several decades old, as I believe not too many DOTs use JRCP anymore. So, what roadways are out there that still have non-overlaid JRCP?

I'm basing what I think is JRCP on joint spacing. Most of those roads have longer distances between joints (say, 40-100 ft.) compared to jointed plain concrete pavement (JPCP) (12-15 ft between joints). Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Examples I have include:

-US 222 Kutztown Bypass
-US 222/422 concurrency
-US 422 near Oaks
-PA 12 freeway east of US 222
-Harrisburg's Airport Connector
-NJ 42 North-South Freeway (the six-lane section in particular)
-I-287 between Montville and the NY Thruway

Short sections with an overlay for repair purposes are ok...say a few slabs or so, but the overall roadway has not been overlaid yet. Roads where a few slabs here and there have been replaced with newer pavement but are not overlaid also count. Diamond-ground roadway is ok as that's not an overlay.

Also, if there are new roadways being built with JRCP that fit this topic, feel free to share that as well!


Max Rockatansky

Salians Road (pre-1932 US 101) south of San Juan Bautista to the Monterey County line is prime example of this.  The concrete is still there in Monterey County also but it has a thin layer of asphalt on it.

vdeane

Quote from: Crown Victoria on January 05, 2025, 12:20:42 PM-I-287 between Montville and the NY Thruway
Oakland to NJ 208 has been a gap in this for as long as street view has existed.  And north of NJ 208 has been overlaid since 2022.  Now the fun section is only from Montville and Oakland Ave.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

Crown Victoria

Quote from: vdeane on January 05, 2025, 03:09:43 PM
Quote from: Crown Victoria on January 05, 2025, 12:20:42 PM-I-287 between Montville and the NY Thruway
Oakland to NJ 208 has been a gap in this for as long as street view has existed.  And north of NJ 208 has been overlaid since 2022.  Now the fun section is only from Montville and Oakland Ave.

Gotcha. Been a little while since I was over that way.

Bitmapped

A couple examples immediately spring to mind in Ohio:
- US 50/OH 32 between the East State Street at the eastern end of the Athens bypass and OH 7. Built with jointed reinforced concrete pavement in the early 1990s. ODOT did some work with adding dowel bars at joints in the early 2010s on portions of this section, and much of those parts received asphalt overlays in the last 2-3 years.
- One direction of US 30 east of Wooster. The other side was built as full-depth asphalt as a comparison between the two  circa 2005.
- A stretch of I-70 in Belmont County centered around OH 149. This section was rebuilt from the ground up around 2010.
- Part of SR 149 in Belmont County near Plainfield Road, which was also rebuilt from the ground up around 2008.
- Bellaire Bypass on SR 7, built in the early 1990s.

In Pennsylvania:
- I-79 has several stretches of jointed reinforced concrete pavement from 1990s reconstructions in Greene and Washington Counties.

Takumi

VA 189 and 272 in Suffolk and Southampton County have some very old concrete.
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paulthemapguy

So, are we talking about concrete pavement in general? Or are we talking specifically about JRCP?

To be clear, the three main types of concrete pavement on roadways are as follows:

  • Jointed Plain Concrete Pavement (JPCP): Slabs are generally 10-15 feet in length (measured longitudinally), held together only with dowel bars and tie bars. Lacks continuous reinforcement and is cheaper than other forms of concrete pavement
  • Jointed Reinforced Concrete Pavement (JRCP): Slabs are generally 25-50 feet in length, with some continuous reinforcing steel, usually a mesh, arranged longitudinally. Transverse joints have dowel bars as with JPCP.
  • Continuously Reinforced Concrete Pavement (CRCP): No defined joints between concrete slabs with lots of longitudinal reinforcing bars, continuing providing tensile strength and allowing the concrete to naturally form unnoticeable hairline cracks while curing. Much more expensive than the other two options.

Are we specifying the middle-ground selection from the list of three PCC pavement types? Or are we talking about all PCC pavement?
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Retrofitting older concrete roads with steel dowel bars (if needed) and then diamond grinding them smooth is very S.O.P. at WisDOT.  They did that to six lanes of concrete on the N-S part of I-41 in the Appleton to Neenah, WI area this past summer, a very good job indeed!

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Crown Victoria

Quote from: paulthemapguy on January 08, 2025, 10:44:07 PMSo, are we talking about concrete pavement in general? Or are we talking specifically about JRCP?

To be clear, the three main types of concrete pavement on roadways are as follows:

  • Jointed Plain Concrete Pavement (JPCP): Slabs are generally 10-15 feet in length (measured longitudinally), held together only with dowel bars and tie bars. Lacks continuous reinforcement and is cheaper than other forms of concrete pavement
  • Jointed Reinforced Concrete Pavement (JRCP): Slabs are generally 25-50 feet in length, with some continuous reinforcing steel, usually a mesh, arranged longitudinally. Transverse joints have dowel bars as with JPCP.
  • Continuously Reinforced Concrete Pavement (CRCP): No defined joints between concrete slabs with lots of longitudinal reinforcing bars, continuing providing tensile strength and allowing the concrete to naturally form unnoticeable hairline cracks while curing. Much more expensive than the other two options.

Are we specifying the middle-ground selection from the list of three PCC pavement types? Or are we talking about all PCC pavement?

We are talking about JRCP which has not been overlaid with any other pavement. 

I am assuming that most if not all JRCP at this point is at least a couple decades old, unless some agency is still using it for new construction.

In my experience, most of the remaining JRCP out there has been overlaid with asphalt, with some areas receiving a concrete overlay (example: I-81 near Pine Grove, PA).

I would think at this point that most new concrete roadway is JPCP, with some CRCP here and there.


Dirt Roads

Here's what I believe to be the oldest section of concrete pavement in the Mountain State:  WV-20 (Marshall Street) between the Elk Creek bridge and Main Street.  This section looks like JRCP, but there are some sections that where the joints are spaced very far apart.  Is it truly JRCP; was it continuous with joints placed at the end of each days' pour; or perhaps was it "contractor error" (that sometimes involved a jug of moonshine, but who's paying attention?)  It's also unusual as a threelane highway, now with TWLTL (which is called a "chicken lane" in West Virginia). 

I originally understood that this section opened in 1977 as a tie-in to the completion of Corridor D.  It way actually be somewhat older.  Prior to 1977, WV-20 was part of a one-way pair (Pike Street and Main Street) that was partially shared with US-50.  Upon completion of the freeway section of the Clarksburg Expressway bypassing downtown, US-50 jumped off at this exit and headed north back to Pike Street.  But this section to the south got added to WV-20 as the one-way pair got extended to Marshall Street. 

Can't find an old map to prove it, but I believe that when the Clarksburg Expressway opened, Marshall Street would have been two lanes WV-20 northbound here and one lane southbound as a shortcut from the end of Clarksburg Expressway to bypass WV-20 southbound along Main Street. 

Then, on the other side of Corridor D, there's this matching section of (formerly) fourlane WV-20.  Except for the sections closest to Corridor D, much of it looks continuous pour.  Marshall Street turns into Joyce Street at this intersection, which ends at Pike Street ahead.  When it originally opened, this section would have been a crazy multiplex of northbound WV-20 and eastbound WV-50 in two of the lanes; but only US-50 westbound in the other two lanes (as WV-20 southbound was way down south of here running one-way on Main Street).  Nowadays, one of those original southbound lanes is being used for on-street parking.

catch22

Not sure if this is exactly meets the description.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/DHsTQpVrsPZe18gZA

M-25 in Michigan from Lakeport north to the Sanilac County line.  This pavement is pretty much the same as when I first encountered it in the early 1960s on family trips as a wee lad to a friend's cottage near Lexington.  It's had a lot of joint repairs the last few years.

IowaTraveler

Are you looking specifically for JRCP on state-maintained roads or do county and local roads count as well? I ask because the only JRCP I know of around here is on old highway alignments.

DTComposer

Old Santa Cruz Highway (former CA-17) has a decent stretch south of the summit (c. 1921). Google didn't drive the road, but I'll tool up and get some photos sometime soon.

Crown Victoria

Quote from: IowaTraveler on January 13, 2025, 12:16:45 PMAre you looking specifically for JRCP on state-maintained roads or do county and local roads count as well? I ask because the only JRCP I know of around here is on old highway alignments.

Any road with JRCP, no matter who maintains it, counts, so long as it doesn't have an overlay.

seicer

  • Interstate 64 between Beckley and Sam Black Church, I believe, is JRCP. It was completed in 1988 (GSV). The westernmost portion before the Turnpike was recently overlaid after patching by WVDOH caused extensive pavement issues (GSV). The portion maintained by the Turnpike, also completed in 1988, was recently rebuilt with asphalt (GSV).
  • WV 16 by the Turnpike was completed in 1983 (GSV). Some ramps on the Turnpike still have concrete dating to this era of rebuilding.
  • US 250/WV 2 in Wheeling was completed in 1978 (GSV). The portion closer to Interstate 70 to 16th Street is even older, having been completed in 1973 (GSV).

Dirt Roads

Quote from: seicer on January 13, 2025, 03:47:53 PM
  • The portion closer to Interstate 70 to 16th Street is even older, having been completed in 1973 (GSV).

Good find.  When the previous "Old Concrete Sections" thread was rolling a few years back, I checked a very old section of WV-2 south of Moundsville that has since been paved over. 

It is sometimes scary getting old.  Yesterday, I woke up in the middle of the night realizing that the age of the 1977 section of WV-20 in Clarksburg posted above is about the same age as the "really old" sections of concrete in West Virginia from the late 1920s that I remember in high school.  This 1973 example is actually older.

seicer

This might be the oldest remaining in the state. It probably isn't jointed or reinforced: Old WV 75 near Kenova with a white limestone centerline (GSV).

These plans date to 1936 (PDF). The plans where they were revising this curve (GSV) read "Old WV 75" and "New Co Rte 75/31" and included notations of new 20' pavement and pavement prior to 1937. The old route was gravel to Wayne while this rebuilt portion included hard pavement.

New plans for another relocated WV 75 were drawn up in 1960 when Interstate 64 was being planned (PDF).

Mr. Matté

Are you able to tell what type of concrete pavement it is just based on sounds? I was on this part of PA 283 over the weekend and heard the super frequent pitter-patter of the joints (reminded me of when I was a kid welhen my grandparents would take me from their Pocono house to Knoebels on 80).

mgk920

M-35 from Menominee to Escanaba, MI is still its 1960s era concrete and the last time that I drove it was pretty quiet and smooth riding.

Mike

Bitmapped

Quote from: Mr. Matté on January 20, 2025, 06:54:05 AMAre you able to tell what type of concrete pavement it is just based on sounds? I was on this part of PA 283 over the weekend and heard the super frequent pitter-patter of the joints (reminded me of when I was a kid welhen my grandparents would take me from their Pocono house to Knoebels on 80).

For Pennsylvania, look at the PennDOT pavement history tool: https://gistest.penndot.gov/PavementHistory/



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