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Started by mrsman, January 23, 2025, 07:18:30 AM

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mrsman

With Congestion Pricing coming along, I began to think about toll "islands".  These are areas that are simply unreachable without paying a toll.  In many cases, these are literally islands, as all the bridges are tolled, but there could be other areas that are cordoned off and are unreachable like the current areas that are governed by congestion pricing schemes.

Where are the toll "islands" in the world?

I am familiar with Staten Island and Grand Island (near Buffalo) as being totally unreachable without paying a toll.  Now the interior of Manhattan CBD (excluding FDR Dr and West Side Highway) is also a toll "island". 

Are there any other areas?






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Prince Edward Island, if you count the ferry cost as a toll

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1995hoo

Key Biscayne comes to mind. Only one road leading there (a causeway) and it's tolled on the way to the island.

Some portion of Singapore has a congestion charge. What I don't know is whether the bridges/causeways from Malaysia are all tolled. At least one of them is.
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Boca Grande and Sanibel in Florida, have only a connection by a toll bridge to the mainland. There are probably more of those gated community type of islands in Florida, but that was the first two to come to mind.

Rothman

I'm wondering about the portion of Monterey that is gated off for the 17-Mile Drive.  Not sure if there's a way in there to shunpike or not.
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Max Rockatansky

My knowledge there isn't a way in that doesn't take you past a guard shack.  Even the Carmel entrance has a shack.

GaryV

If you count ferries as having tolls, and only thinking about automobile access:
  • Sugar Island, Neebish Island and Drummond Island in the St Marys River
  • Harsens Island in the St Clair River
  • Madeline Island in Lake Superior
  • Beaver Island, Washington Island and Rock Island in Lake Michigan
  • Bois Blanc Island in Lake Huron




1995hoo

Quote from: GaryV on January 23, 2025, 09:15:40 AM... only thinking about automobile access:
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I assumed that limitation was inherent in the question posed by this thread because obviously there are ways to reach both Staten Island and Lower and Midtown Manhattan without paying a toll as long as you don't use a motor vehicle to get there. (That's true even if you count the fare for public transit as a "toll" because you can get to Manhattan for free on foot, by bicycle, or by skateboard or the like via various bridges, and you can then take the Staten Island Ferry for free.)
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"That sounded stupid, didn't it?"
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Bobby5280

Yeah, a person can walk or ride a bicycle across the North span of the new Goethals Bridge. The Bayonne Bridge has a shared use path next to the Northbound lanes.

The Outerbridge Crossing and Verrazzano Narrows Bridge can't be crossed on foot or bicycle. Just another thing to make Staten Island more connected to New Jersey than NYC.

1995hoo

Good point. I forgot about that aspect of the new Goethals Bridge, probably in part because I haven't been over it (I have not driven to New York City since 2010).
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Scott5114

Tulsa isn't entirely unreachable by free road, but it sure does feel like it is sometimes.
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LilianaUwU

Quote from: GaryV on January 23, 2025, 09:15:40 AMIf you count ferries as having tolls, and only thinking about automobile access:
  • Madeline Island in Lake Superior
The similarly-named Îles de la Madeleine in Québec also have a ferry, and it's an expensive one.
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roadman65

Wards Island in New York City. You must access from the Triborough Bridge unless on foot there is a footbridge ( the 103td Street Bridge) that pedestrians can use from Manhattan.
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michiganguy123

Michigan's upper peninsula, unless you want to detour 800 miles around Lake Michigan, which Google maps wont even bother trying when avoiding tolls.

Rothman

Quote from: michiganguy123 on January 23, 2025, 03:03:20 PMMichigan's upper peninsula, unless you want to detour 800 miles around Lake Michigan, which Google maps wont even bother trying when avoiding tolls.

Pfft.  This doesn't fit the OP's intention by a long shot.

Especially for the millions of people living west of the UP...
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kphoger

Quote from: michiganguy123 on January 23, 2025, 03:03:20 PMMichigan's upper peninsula, unless you want to detour 800 miles around Lake Michigan, which Google maps wont even bother trying when avoiding tolls.

Wow... you're... assuming that nobody goes to the UP from Wisconsin?

I have entered Michigan's upper peninsula one time, and there was no toll.

I have entered Michigan's lower peninsula four times, and two of those times required a toll.
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Rothman

Quote from: roadman65 on January 23, 2025, 01:45:56 PMWards Island in New York City. You must access from the Triborough Bridge unless on foot there is a footbridge ( the 103td Street Bridge) that pedestrians can use from Manhattan.

Not Randalls Island?
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Scott5114

Quote from: kphoger on January 23, 2025, 03:08:33 PMI have entered Michigan's upper peninsula one time, and there was no toll.

Wasn't that cause you were hitchhiking, though?
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kphoger

Quote from: Scott5114 on January 23, 2025, 04:15:23 PMWasn't that cause you were hitchhiking, though?

I did hitchhike on that trip.  But I would have counted the toll anyway, because the driver would still have had to pay a toll.  In fact, I crossed into the UP on Greyhound, but the bus didn't have to pay a toll either, because the bridge from Marinette to Menominee is free.

One of the four times I entered the lower peninsula was hitchhiking south down the Mackinac Bridge.  A toll was required.  I counted it, even though the driver is the one who had to pay it.

(For what it's worth, I have paid a highway toll while hitchhiking.  The first time I attempted a long-distance hitchhiking trip, I flew a sign at the on-ramp from IL-38 to SB IL-355 (Lombard, IL) that said "I-55 South / will pay tolls".  A guy stopped, I paid the on-ramp toll, and then he let me out at Boughton Road.)
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RobbieL2415

The entire Hudson River Valley south of and including the Castleton-On-Hudson Bridge is a toll island in the eastbound direction.

Rothman

Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 23, 2025, 06:32:01 PMThe entire Hudson River Valley south of and including the Castleton-On-Hudson Bridge is a toll island in the eastbound direction.

Pfft.  Albany bridges aren't that far away.

Trains have to make the trek to Selkirk Yard to cross the Hudson...
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Flint1979

Grosse Ile would be if anything happened to the free bridge.

Flint1979

Quote from: GaryV on January 23, 2025, 09:15:40 AMIf you count ferries as having tolls, and only thinking about automobile access:
  • Sugar Island, Neebish Island and Drummond Island in the St Marys River
  • Harsens Island in the St Clair River
  • Madeline Island in Lake Superior
  • Beaver Island, Washington Island and Rock Island in Lake Michigan
  • Bois Blanc Island in Lake Huron




You forgot Mackinac Island and Isle Royale. You aren't getting to either one of those islands without paying.



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