Freeways that were formerly signed Interstates but now are not in the system?

Started by TheStranger, October 13, 2011, 07:38:34 PM

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Mapmikey

FREEWAY PLANNED AS INTERSTATE, BUILT AS FREEWAY UNDER ANOTHER DESIGNATION OR AS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROAD

NY 17 was going to be requested as I-92.  See the 1974 AAASHO application to truncate US 15.  They defined I-92 to be all of what is to be I-86.

WAS SIGNED AS ONE INTERSTATE, THEN DEPRECATED, THEN REJOINED THE SYSTEM

I-40 through Greensboro


roadman65

Wasn't I-64 in Hampton, VA signed originally as VA 168 before the interstate mileage was determined?  I distinctly remember someone on here, I believe Froggie mentioned it was built for VA 168 and not for I-64.

I do remember briefly that I-64 did have its own exit numbers that were single digits in the 70's and up to the mid eighties VA 168 was co- signed with I-64 up to Williamsburg where the freeway ended and defaulted into a divided four lane highway with intersections from Williamsburg to Toano signed solely as VA 168.
Every day is a winding road, you just got to get used to it.

Sheryl Crowe

Mapmikey

Quote from: roadman65 on April 16, 2024, 08:52:09 PMWasn't I-64 in Hampton, VA signed originally as VA 168 before the interstate mileage was determined?  I distinctly remember someone on here, I believe Froggie mentioned it was built for VA 168 and not for I-64.

I do remember briefly that I-64 did have its own exit numbers that were single digits in the 70's and up to the mid eighties VA 168 was co- signed with I-64 up to Williamsburg where the freeway ended and defaulted into a divided four lane highway with intersections from Williamsburg to Toano signed solely as VA 168.

Yes...here is a Feb 1958 pic of what is now I-64 at US 258.  I-64 was assigned to VA 168 from here to the HRBT in Feb 1959.  I-64 was fully opened in the Williamsburg area in Aug 1978.  1979 was the last official map to show VA 168 north of the HRBT.


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mrose

Could WI-57 count? No freeway segment exists, but its huge interchange with I-43 is an artifact of the plan to once route I-57 (43) over it.

Big John

Quote from: mrose on April 17, 2024, 09:19:54 AMCould WI-57 count? No freeway segment exists, but its huge interchange with I-43 is an artifact of the plan to once route I-57 (43) over it.

The Stadium North freeway from Milwaukee was to end there with a planned bridge to go under the I-43 bridge over WI 57, thus the height of the bridge. Of course, that project was long cancelled.

The WI 57 portion was never signed as an Interstate.

mgk920

Quote from: Big John on April 17, 2024, 09:26:27 AM
Quote from: mrose on April 17, 2024, 09:19:54 AMCould WI-57 count? No freeway segment exists, but its huge interchange with I-43 is an artifact of the plan to once route I-57 (43) over it.

The Stadium North freeway from Milwaukee was to end there with a planned bridge to go under the I-43 bridge over WI 57, thus the height of the bridge. Of course, that project was long cancelled.

The WI 57 portion was never signed as an Interstate.

IIRC, present-day I-43 south of that interchange was originally intended to be 'I-57' and the stadium freeway south of there and present-day I-43 to the north were never intended to be interstates (a reroute of US 141 to the south?).

Mike

vtk

Current OH 4 between I-70 and US 40, west of Springfield, was (according to contemporary maps) first built as I-70, US 40, and OH 4, if I remember right. Not sure if it was *officially* in the Interstate system, but I am reasonably confident it was actually signed as I-70. Still a freeway today; has an interchange in the middle of the section.

Similarly, what is now OH 158 between I-70 and US 40, near Kirkersville, was marked on contemporary maps as I-70 and US 40 and probably signed as such. That situation only lasted a few years until the next segment of current I-70 opened, suggesting ODOH meant for this diagonal bit of freeway to only temporarily serve as I-70; but the OH 158 bridge over I-70 was built on slightly skewed piers conforming to the curve towards US 40 that the new Interstate had for that short time, and I take that to mean that at the time of construction the ultimate alignment of I-70 was still uncertain. (That evidence remained until the bridge was rebuilt a few years ago.)
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

TheStranger

Quote from: vtk on October 07, 2024, 08:19:25 PMCurrent OH 4 between I-70 and US 40, west of Springfield, was (according to contemporary maps) first built as I-70, US 40, and OH 4, if I remember right. Not sure if it was *officially* in the Interstate system, but I am reasonably confident it was actually signed as I-70. Still a freeway today; has an interchange in the middle of the section.

Do any scans of those particular maps exist online?
Chris Sampang

Bitmapped

Quote from: TheStranger on October 07, 2024, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: vtk on October 07, 2024, 08:19:25 PMCurrent OH 4 between I-70 and US 40, west of Springfield, was (according to contemporary maps) first built as I-70, US 40, and OH 4, if I remember right. Not sure if it was *officially* in the Interstate system, but I am reasonably confident it was actually signed as I-70. Still a freeway today; has an interchange in the middle of the section.

Do any scans of those particular maps exist online?

See the 1961 map at https://www.dot.state.oh.us/maps/archivedmaps/1961.pdf.

TheStranger

Quote from: Bitmapped on October 07, 2024, 11:37:48 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on October 07, 2024, 09:44:41 PM
Quote from: vtk on October 07, 2024, 08:19:25 PMCurrent OH 4 between I-70 and US 40, west of Springfield, was (according to contemporary maps) first built as I-70, US 40, and OH 4, if I remember right. Not sure if it was *officially* in the Interstate system, but I am reasonably confident it was actually signed as I-70. Still a freeway today; has an interchange in the middle of the section.

Do any scans of those particular maps exist online?

See the 1961 map at https://www.dot.state.oh.us/maps/archivedmaps/1961.pdf.

Thanks for the info!

I have updated the list of ex-Interstates: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=5438.msg2919292#msg2919292

Speaking of that Ohio map: I zoomed in on the Columbus part...is that actually showing I-71 along what is now the OH 315 freeway (and a short segement of today's I-670)?
Chris Sampang

vtk

Quote from: TheStranger on October 08, 2024, 03:13:36 PMSpeaking of that Ohio map: I zoomed in on the Columbus part...is that actually showing I-71 along what is now the OH 315 freeway (and a short segement of today's I-670)?

Yes, I've read elsewhere that for a time the whole Innerbelt was signed as I-71. I guess that means the west leg which is now OH 315 qualifies for your list. Hot Rod Hootenany has more first-hand knowledge and keeps track of research sources better than I.
Wait, it's all Ohio? Always has been.

Bickendan

FREEWAY PLANNED AS INTERSTATE, BUILT AS FREEWAY UNDER ANOTHER DESIGNATION OR AS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROAD
I-305 in Salem, built instead as the Salem Parkway in the same ROW after the Feds denied the Willamette Crossing extension and also as an extended casualty of Portland's freeway revolt.

INTENDED TO BE REMOVED FROM INTERSTATE SYSTEM BUT RETAINED AFTER REPLACEMENT CANCELED
I-84 between I-5 and I-205 as the Mt Hood Freeway was canceled.

Kulerage

Quote from: TheStranger on April 03, 2024, 09:05:52 PMThought of this thread again (after looking at the North Carolina map in the AAroads mapping system and thinking of US 421 once more) -

- Technically already has happened for this particular road: former I-85 in Greensboro between I-73 and I-40, currently Business I-85 but slated to eventually just become US 29 at some point.
Yep, it's official now.

Another NC example is the Wade Avenue freeway in Raleigh which formerly served as I-40's eastern terminus, before its portion extending south to Wilmington was constructed. I-40 moved to the new freeway and the old highway did not get another designation.

TheStranger

Quote from: Bickendan on October 10, 2024, 11:27:27 PMFREEWAY PLANNED AS INTERSTATE, BUILT AS FREEWAY UNDER ANOTHER DESIGNATION OR AS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ROAD
I-305 in Salem, built instead as the Salem Parkway in the same ROW after the Feds denied the Willamette Crossing extension and also as an extended casualty of Portland's freeway revolt.

Just added it to the list!  Interesting that a new river crossing in that area may yet happen as part of more recent proposals.


Quote from: Bickendan on October 10, 2024, 11:27:27 PMINTENDED TO BE REMOVED FROM INTERSTATE SYSTEM BUT RETAINED AFTER REPLACEMENT CANCELED
I-84 between I-5 and I-205 as the Mt Hood Freeway was canceled.

I do recall the Banfield Freeway originally being built as only US 30 - is it officially in the Interstate system, or is it like say I-80 west of the Bay Bridge in San Francisco where it's not officially in the FHWA route logs anymore but still signed as interstate?
Chris Sampang

Bickendan

Officially part of the Interstate system -- the Banfield's mileage would have essentially been swapped over to the Mt. Hood's.

TheStranger

Per AARoads Wiki, Missouri originally wanted an Interstate designation for Route 370 in St. Charles, so will add to the list:
https://wiki.aaroads.com/wiki/Missouri_Route_370
Chris Sampang



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