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Title: Temporary BGSs
Post by: MCRoads on August 13, 2022, 05:34:35 PM
In Rochester, MN, on US 63, there appears to be a temporary BGS shown on satellite view. I can't find a street view, but it looks like an interestingly structure. Anyone else ever seen anything similar?
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: wanderer2575 on August 13, 2022, 05:54:42 PM
I don't know whether you are talking about just the signs or a temporary gantry structure.  I've never seen the latter.

If you're talking about temporary signs, I've seen some in Ohio.  For example (damn your eyes for the yellow-on orange):
(https://i.imgur.com/VHJLoMj.jpg)

It's not the norm, but I've seen temporary signs in Michigan.  Unlike Ohio, they've been in the normal white-on-green.  For example, when I-96 was closed between US-24 and I-275 in 2014:
(https://i.imgur.com/JA91SRF.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/4vjoY7k.jpg)
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: MCRoads on August 13, 2022, 06:04:55 PM
I was specifically talking about temporary gantry structures, but signs are fine here too.

Didn't know that there were orange BGSs, I've seen LGSs be orange, but very infrequently, usually when a major traffic detour is required off the interstate.
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: Scott5114 on August 13, 2022, 06:09:31 PM
Got a link to the satellite view?
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: steviep24 on August 13, 2022, 06:24:48 PM
OP must mean Rochester, MN. US 63 does go through there. US 63 doesn't go anywhere near NY state.
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: Scott5114 on August 13, 2022, 06:36:34 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on August 13, 2022, 06:24:48 PM
OP must mean Rochester, MN. US 63 does go through there. US 63 doesn't go anywhere near NY state.

Yeah, I was gonna say something about that, but I assumed he meant NY 63. Do you have one of those?
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: davewiecking on August 13, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 13, 2022, 06:04:55 PM
Didn't know that there were orange BGSs, I've seen LGSs be orange, but very infrequently, usually when a major traffic detour is required off the interstate.

By definition, there can be no such thing as an orange BGS. It's a BOS. Ditto with orange LGS's; they're LOS's.
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: LilianaUwU on August 13, 2022, 06:50:13 PM
Here's some big orange signs near Pont Pierre-Laporte:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52225504735_d0500f6518_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nyZn3P)A-73 NB, exit 134 (https://flic.kr/p/2nyZn3P) by Liliana Vess (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lilianauwu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52239274994_acc80c5fdb_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nAcWt5)A-73 SB, sortie 132 - 3 (https://flic.kr/p/2nAcWt5) by Liliana Vess (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lilianauwu/), on Flickr

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52238991676_f9a89f933f_w.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2nAbufh)A-73 SB, sortie 132 - 1 (https://flic.kr/p/2nAbufh) by Liliana Vess (https://www.flickr.com/photos/lilianauwu/), on Flickr
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: steviep24 on August 13, 2022, 07:06:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 13, 2022, 06:36:34 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on August 13, 2022, 06:24:48 PM
OP must mean Rochester, MN. US 63 does go through there. US 63 doesn't go anywhere near NY state.

Yeah, I was gonna say something about that, but I assumed he meant NY 63. Do you have one of those?
We do but it's not a freeway.
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: webny99 on August 13, 2022, 10:25:26 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on August 13, 2022, 07:06:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on August 13, 2022, 06:36:34 PM
Quote from: steviep24 on August 13, 2022, 06:24:48 PM
OP must mean Rochester, MN. US 63 does go through there. US 63 doesn't go anywhere near NY state.

Yeah, I was gonna say something about that, but I assumed he meant NY 63. Do you have one of those?
We do but it's not a freeway.

And it doesn't go through Rochester, although you could make the case that it's the western boundary of Rochester's sphere of influence.
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: SkyPesos on August 13, 2022, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on August 13, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 13, 2022, 06:04:55 PM
Didn't know that there were orange BGSs, I've seen LGSs be orange, but very infrequently, usually when a major traffic detour is required off the interstate.

By definition, there can be no such thing as an orange BGS. It's a BOS. Ditto with orange LGS's; they're LOS's.
The "G"  in BGS and LGS stands for "green"  and not "guide" ? TIL.
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: odditude on August 14, 2022, 02:07:42 AM
how 'bout an orange crush flavored APL (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9670784,-75.1338348,3a,75y,248.77h,103.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2viWZjxC_nJ2Y16Jv_VZUg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)?
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: Ned Weasel on August 14, 2022, 08:45:00 AM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on August 13, 2022, 05:54:42 PM
I don't know whether you are talking about just the signs or a temporary gantry structure.  I've never seen the latter.

If you're talking about temporary signs, I've seen some in Ohio.  For example (damn your eyes for the yellow-on orange):
(https://i.imgur.com/VHJLoMj.jpg)

If Ohio can make temporary signs that look this good, why does Oklahoma have such a hard time making permanent signs that look this good?

That's a rhetorical question, if you couldn't tell.
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: kirbykart on August 14, 2022, 11:27:26 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 13, 2022, 10:45:49 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on August 13, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 13, 2022, 06:04:55 PM
Didn't know that there were orange BGSs, I've seen LGSs be orange, but very infrequently, usually when a major traffic detour is required off the interstate.

By definition, there can be no such thing as an orange BGS. It's a BOS. Ditto with orange LGS's; they're LOS's.
The "G"  in BGS and LGS stands for "green"  and not "guide" ? TIL.
When I first saw the abbreviation BGS used I thought it meant Back-Ground Sign, and had no idea what LGS could mean.
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: Big John on August 14, 2022, 12:29:28 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on August 13, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 13, 2022, 06:04:55 PM
Didn't know that there were orange BGSs, I've seen LGSs be orange, but very infrequently, usually when a major traffic detour is required off the interstate.

By definition, there can be no such thing as an orange BGS. It's a BOS. Ditto with orange LGS's; they're LOS's.
Can be confusing as LOS is a traffic engineering abbreviation of "Level of Service".
Title: Re: Temporary BGSs
Post by: davewiecking on August 14, 2022, 02:01:13 PM
Quote from: Big John on August 14, 2022, 12:29:28 PM
Quote from: davewiecking on August 13, 2022, 06:38:30 PM
Quote from: MCRoads on August 13, 2022, 06:04:55 PM
Didn't know that there were orange BGSs, I've seen LGSs be orange, but very infrequently, usually when a major traffic detour is required off the interstate.

By definition, there can be no such thing as an orange BGS. It's a BOS. Ditto with orange LGS's; they're LOS's.
Can be confusing as LOS is a traffic engineering abbreviation of "Level of Service".

Context is everything. Never seen a Level of Service hanging off a gantry.  There's a thread about BBS's, which was intended to refer to computer bulletin boards, but also mentions Big Blue Signs. I personally would refer to the traffic density term as "LoS" , but that's probably just me.