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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #3975 on: March 15, 2023, 11:11:24 PM »

As is, 39/90/94 isnít really for local traffic. Too far out, and basically only interchanges with other limited-access roads. As a result, that local traffic is pushed onto Stoughton Rd.

Iím sure if WISDOT could redo things from scratch, they would build 39/90/94 closer to Stoughton Rdís current alignment than the Interstatesí current alignment. That would eliminate the need for 1) a limited-access Stoughton Rd, and 2) the WI-30 connector freeway. I imagine it being a slightly longer version of I-41 in Green Bay. Separated C/D lanes between close exits, allowing for more interchanges with access to city streets.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #3976 on: March 16, 2023, 12:33:36 AM »

As is, 39/90/94 isnít really for local traffic. Too far out, and basically only interchanges with other limited-access roads. As a result, that local traffic is pushed onto Stoughton Rd.

Iím sure if WISDOT could redo things from scratch, they would build 39/90/94 closer to Stoughton Rdís current alignment than the Interstatesí current alignment. That would eliminate the need for 1) a limited-access Stoughton Rd, and 2) the WI-30 connector freeway. I imagine it being a slightly longer version of I-41 in Green Bay. Separated C/D lanes between close exits, allowing for more interchanges with access to city streets.

I donít think WISDOT would re-do the interstate alignment. I think theyíre happy that I-39/I-90/I-94 doesnít carry local traffic because the interstate carries so much traffic and local traffic would cause serious congestion. US 51/Stoughton Rd keeps the interstate less congested.

However, the lack of interchanges on the far east side does make driving frustrating.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #3977 on: March 16, 2023, 08:31:56 AM »

Why would anyone expect movements from Stoughton Road to the Beltline to be free-flowing? Thereís a reason why theyíre partially in the works for Verona Road: because they would complete US 151 so that it is consistently free-flowing from Dubuque to Madison. Traffic lights are consistent with the type of roadway US 51 is in that area.

Also, providing a US-151 free flowing through route to go to Dubuque is at best a secondary reason for the idea of a free flowing interchange at the Beltline and Verona Road.  The vast majority of traffic that goes through that interchange is local - people commuting to and from Verona and points west.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #3978 on: March 16, 2023, 11:05:06 AM »

Why would anyone expect movements from Stoughton Road to the Beltline to be free-flowing? Thereís a reason why theyíre partially in the works for Verona Road: because they would complete US 151 so that it is consistently free-flowing from Dubuque to Madison. Traffic lights are consistent with the type of roadway US 51 is in that area.

Also, providing a US-151 free flowing through route to go to Dubuque is at best a secondary reason for the idea of a free flowing interchange at the Beltline and Verona Road.  The vast majority of traffic that goes through that interchange is local - people commuting to and from Verona and points west.
Yeah, WISDOT isnít making decisions based on arbitrary stuff like a no-stop drive between Madison and Dubuque. On a large scale, that doesnít matter. What matters are the actual traffic conditions on US-151.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #3979 on: March 16, 2023, 01:43:22 PM »

I have a feeling that the previously-proposed Stage 3 upgrade of Verona Rd. (https://projects.511wi.gov/veronard/wp-content/uploads/sites/143/ss-2012nov13.pdf) will likely never happen. Verona Rd. is likely as upgraded as it is going to get. Also, I don't think Stoughton Rd. needs to be upgraded to be free-flow throughout the entire corridor (which seems like overkill to me, considering Interstates 39/90/94 are just a couple of miles to the east). The previously-proposed Alternative B (https://wisconsindot.gov/Documents/projects/by-region/sw/51/map-propalts.pdf) with additional lanes in each direction will probably be enough of an upgrade to the US 51 corridor.
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Re: Wisconsin notes
« Reply #3980 on: March 16, 2023, 01:45:56 PM »

As is, 39/90/94 isnít really for local traffic. Too far out, and basically only interchanges with other limited-access roads. As a result, that local traffic is pushed onto Stoughton Rd.

Iím sure if WISDOT could redo things from scratch, they would build 39/90/94 closer to Stoughton Rdís current alignment than the Interstatesí current alignment. That would eliminate the need for 1) a limited-access Stoughton Rd, and 2) the WI-30 connector freeway. I imagine it being a slightly longer version of I-41 in Green Bay. Separated C/D lanes between close exits, allowing for more interchanges with access to city streets.

I donít think WISDOT would re-do the interstate alignment. I think theyíre happy that I-39/I-90/I-94 doesnít carry local traffic because the interstate carries so much traffic and local traffic would cause serious congestion. US 51/Stoughton Rd keeps the interstate less congested.

However, the lack of interchanges on the far east side does make driving frustrating.

Yea, but that ship sailed at least 60 years ago and before then (before the Interstate Highway Act), there were proposals (plans?) to extend the cross-country ticket-turnpike (Indiana Toll Road) through Chicago and onward at least to the MSP area, which would have served and bypassed Madison.  Stoughton Rd WOULD have been the east Beltline under that scenario.  The original stated purpose of the Interstates as to bypass major population centers to mainly serve cross-country through traffic and not local traffic, so I do agree with the light access to the existing I-39/90/94 corridor in Madison.  Yes, I can also see the existing Beltline becoming and 'odd' 3DI.

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