Virginia

[Beltway]

The Legion bridge might warrant a thread of its own, otherwise the discussion will be split across the two state threads.

It is more than just the Legion Bridge, it is I-495 widening between VA-267 and I-270.

[amroad17]

Needing a "cushion" is just the speak of an aggressive driver that wants to go 20 to 25 mph over the limit.

Can you do math? 85 MPH is 15 over 70 MPH, not 20 or 25. Most state's have that type of cushion.

Did you know that Virginia had a 70 mph freeway speed limit for a year before the 1973 NMSL?

I thought it was 65 MPH on all highways, regardless of freeway or non-limited-access (and it still should be).

What interstate was it? I-85? Or all of them?

I remember I-64 in Chesapeake posted at 70 mph in 1972-73.  Of course, it was a lot more rural then (no Greenbrier interchange, no Oak Grove Connector, no Exit 297, only 6-lane section was between I-464 and Battlefield Blvd.).

[sprjus4]

Needing a "cushion" is just the speak of an aggressive driver that wants to go 20 to 25 mph over the limit.

Can you do math? 85 MPH is 15 over 70 MPH, not 20 or 25. Most state's have that type of cushion.

Did you know that Virginia had a 70 mph freeway speed limit for a year before the 1973 NMSL?

I thought it was 65 MPH on all highways, regardless of freeway or non-limited-access (and it still should be).

What interstate was it? I-85? Or all of them?

I remember I-64 in Chesapeake posted at 70 mph in 1972-73.  Of course, it was a lot more rural then (no Greenbrier interchange, no Oak Grove Connector, no Exit 297, only 6-lane section was between I-464 and Battlefield Blvd.).

Really? I knew it was rural, but I did not think it was up to that standard, maybe 65 MPH. Well, that goes to show right there, I-64 can easily handle 65 MPH today.

What other highways around here were 70 MPH? 65 MPH?

I heard a rumor the VA Beach - Norfolk Expressway toll was 70 MPH. Was that true as well, or was it 65 MPH?

[amroad17]

The I-64 lanes you see now from Bowers Hill to the east end of the High Rise Bridge is what it was back then--two lanes and fairly narrow left shoulders.  Plus, until the mid 1990's, the ramps to I-264 East and to US 13/460 were single lane ramps (no I-664 until 1992).  Until the mid to late 1970's, I-264 ended at an at-grade intersection with US 13/460 (Military Highway) near where the America's Best Value motel is currently (the roads have been reconfigured since then).

I do believe the Norfolk-Va. Beach Expressway was 70 mph also.  It was just four lanes from Newtown Rd. to the end/beginning at 21st and 22nd Streets, and not quite as crowded.  It was also signed as VA 44 along with a round, green Norfolk-Va. Beach Expressway logo on a pole beside the VA 44 sign.  There were also 7 original interchanges (marked as Exit 1, Newtown Road-Exit 7, Birdneck Road).  The First Colonial interchange wasn't built until the late 1980's, I believe.

IIRC, US 17 from VA 135 to the James River Bridge, excepting the two bridges over the Nansemond River and Chuckatuck Creek, was signed at 60 mph until 1973.  Those two above bridges were built the same way as the original James River Bridge, narrow as crap!

I am certain I-64 from Jefferson Ave. in Newport News to the then temporary end west of the Camp Peary interchange was signed at 70 mph also.

[Pink Jazz]

I think I-264 between Witchduck and Birdneck can easily handle 60 mph; not sure why VDOT refuses to do any study.  West of Witchduck the traffic and tightly spaced interchanges might be an issue though.

[sprjus4]

The I-64 lanes you see now from Bowers Hill to the east end of the High Rise Bridge is what it was back then--two lanes and fairly narrow left shoulders.  Plus, until the mid 1990's, the ramps to I-264 East and to US 13/460 were single lane ramps (no I-664 until 1992).  Until the mid to late 1970's, I-264 ended at an at-grade intersection with US 13/460 (Military Highway) near where the America's Best Value motel is currently (the roads have been reconfigured since then).

I do believe the Norfolk-Va. Beach Expressway was 70 mph also.  It was just four lanes from Newtown Rd. to the end/beginning at 21st and 22nd Streets, and not quite as crowded.  It was also signed as VA 44 along with a round, green Norfolk-Va. Beach Expressway logo on a pole beside the VA 44 sign.  There were also 7 original interchanges (marked as Exit 1, Newtown Road-Exit 7, Birdneck Road).  The First Colonial interchange wasn't built until the late 1980's, I believe.

IIRC, US 17 from VA 135 to the James River Bridge, excepting the two bridges over the Nansemond River and Chuckatuck Creek, was signed at 60 mph until 1973.  Those two above bridges were built the same way as the original James River Bridge, narrow as crap!

I am certain I-64 from Jefferson Ave. in Newport News to the then temporary end west of the Camp Peary interchange was signed at 70 mph also.

Wow, this is interesting. Thanks for the info. Never guessed US 17 was one of the 60 MPH, at least this far south.

I think I-264 between Witchduck and Birdneck can easily handle 60 mph; not sure why VDOT refuses to do any study.  West of Witchduck the traffic and tightly spaced interchanges might be an issue though.

65 MPH east of Witchduck, and 60 to Downtown Norfolk. All the 55 speed limits could raise to 60, and most of the existing 60's could be 65.

They raised I-64 between I-664 and Jefferson Ave from 60 MPH to 65 MPH two months ago. The next best candidate IMHO is the entirety of I-664. It's easy to drive at 70 MPH today.

[Mapmikey]

The I-64 lanes you see now from Bowers Hill to the east end of the High Rise Bridge is what it was back then--two lanes and fairly narrow left shoulders.  Plus, until the mid 1990's, the ramps to I-264 East and to US 13/460 were single lane ramps (no I-664 until 1992).  Until the mid to late 1970's, I-264 ended at an at-grade intersection with US 13/460 (Military Highway) near where the America's Best Value motel is currently (the roads have been reconfigured since then).

I do believe the Norfolk-Va. Beach Expressway was 70 mph also.  It was just four lanes from Newtown Rd. to the end/beginning at 21st and 22nd Streets, and not quite as crowded.  It was also signed as VA 44 along with a round, green Norfolk-Va. Beach Expressway logo on a pole beside the VA 44 sign.  There were also 7 original interchanges (marked as Exit 1, Newtown Road-Exit 7, Birdneck Road).  The First Colonial interchange wasn't built until the late 1980's, I believe.

IIRC, US 17 from VA 135 to the James River Bridge, excepting the two bridges over the Nansemond River and Chuckatuck Creek, was signed at 60 mph until 1973.  Those two above bridges were built the same way as the original James River Bridge, narrow as crap!

I am certain I-64 from Jefferson Ave. in Newport News to the then temporary end west of the Camp Peary interchange was signed at 70 mph also.

VA 44 definitely had a 70 mph design.  See pdf pg. 38 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-10-1965-01.pdf.  Regrettably the CTB stopped documenting speed limits assigned to various highways in 1966.

First Colonial Rd interchange formally recommended to CTB by the toll road commission in 1977...see pdf pg. 16 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-07-1977-02.pdf; contract awarded June 1984 (pg. 14 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-06-1984-01.pdf); Historic Aerials no help on completion and oddly Official maps show it open and with exit number 6A-6B on the 1984 issue.

It is very likely 60 mph was assigned to the 4-laned parts of US 17 in Isle of Wight/Nanesmond Counties as Virginia seemed to place 60 mph on most of its rural 4-lane routes starting from 1960.  The multilaning of US 17 there is after the CTB stopped explicitly assigning limits to sections of roadway.

[sprjus4]

https://myemail.constantcontact.com/I-64-Widening-Project-Update.html?soid=1124277087205&aid=9RfziryAqG0

I-64 Peninsula Widening Phase #2 should be completed by the end of March, which would open up 6 lanes from Hampton to Williamsburg.

Towards of the end of February, they will begin traffic shifts to resurface the entire highway with asphalt.

The speed limit would be raised back up from 55 MPH to 65 MPH.

[Pink Jazz]

65 MPH east of Witchduck, and 60 to Downtown Norfolk. All the 55 speed limits could raise to 60, and most of the existing 60's could be 65.

They raised I-64 between I-664 and Jefferson Ave from 60 MPH to 65 MPH two months ago. The next best candidate IMHO is the entirety of I-664. It's easy to drive at 70 MPH today.

What about the HRBT?  I think the eastbound tube has a 60 mph design speed, but not sure about the westbound tube.

[sprjus4]

65 MPH east of Witchduck, and 60 to Downtown Norfolk. All the 55 speed limits could raise to 60, and most of the existing 60's could be 65.

They raised I-64 between I-664 and Jefferson Ave from 60 MPH to 65 MPH two months ago. The next best candidate IMHO is the entirety of I-664. It's easy to drive at 70 MPH today.

What about the HRBT?  I think the eastbound tube has a 60 mph design speed, but not sure about the westbound tube.

Likely to stay at 55 MPH, due to the westbound tube. The approaches + rest of highway could handle 60 MPH however.

[1995hoo]

I'm not old enough to remember the pre-NMSL days, although I have an old Virginia highway map upstairs somewhere that refers to the 70-mph speed limit. I'm curious, if anyone knows (recognizing Mapmikey's comment about the CTB not tracking speed limits), how widespread were 60-mph speed limits back then? It seems like nowadays Virginia makes more widespread use of 60-mph limits than most other East Coast states. Was that the case back then? I'm just curious whether there's some history here with that number.

[Beltway]

I'm not old enough to remember the pre-NMSL days, although I have an old Virginia highway map upstairs somewhere that refers to the 70-mph speed limit. I'm curious, if anyone knows (recognizing Mapmikey's comment about the CTB not tracking speed limits), how widespread were 60-mph speed limits back then? It seems like nowadays Virginia makes more widespread use of 60-mph limits than most other East Coast states. Was that the case back then? I'm just curious whether there's some history here with that number.

60 mph was the usual and the statuary maximum on rural 4-lane nonlimited-access highways.  There were a few urban Interstate segments with that limit.

[sprjus4]

I'm not old enough to remember the pre-NMSL days, although I have an old Virginia highway map upstairs somewhere that refers to the 70-mph speed limit. I'm curious, if anyone knows (recognizing Mapmikey's comment about the CTB not tracking speed limits), how widespread were 60-mph speed limits back then? It seems like nowadays Virginia makes more widespread use of 60-mph limits than most other East Coast states. Was that the case back then? I'm just curious whether there's some history here with that number.

60 mph was the usual and the statuary maximum on rural 4-lane nonlimited-access highways.  There were a few urban Interstate segments with that limit.

Was the common on urban interstates 55 MPH at the time?

[Mapmikey]

I'm not old enough to remember the pre-NMSL days, although I have an old Virginia highway map upstairs somewhere that refers to the 70-mph speed limit. I'm curious, if anyone knows (recognizing Mapmikey's comment about the CTB not tracking speed limits), how widespread were 60-mph speed limits back then? It seems like nowadays Virginia makes more widespread use of 60-mph limits than most other East Coast states. Was that the case back then? I'm just curious whether there's some history here with that number.

The general Assembly acted in 1960 to allow 60 mph speed limits on 4-lane divided routes.

The CTB then assigned them (all are 60 assignments unless indicated; some duplicate segments may be listed as later the CTB imposed minimum speeds on some segments; it also appears that interstates changing from 60 to 65 were not explicitly in the tables)

Also note that the Richmond-Petersburg Turnpike had a 60 mph speed limit (per official maps) by 1961.

Aug 1960: (pp 24-27 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-08-1960-01.pdf)
US 11 - ECL Wytheville to past Ft Chiswell, 8 miles
US 11 - WCL Dublin to ECL Pulaski, 4.6 mi
US 460 - WCL Bedford west 12.1 mi
US 11/460 - Roanoke Riv bridge w 9.6 mi
US 460 - near US 501 e 6.4 mi
US 29 - 6.9 mi segment btw Chatham and Gretna
US 58 - WCL S. Boston to ECL Danville, 27 mi
US 60 - WCL Richmond to Midlothian, 8.7 mi
US 60 - james City line to Bottoms Bridge, 19 mi
US 301 - Sussex/PG line north 6.9 mi
US 360 - from 6 mi w of Richmond west 15 mi
US 60/VA 168/VA 168Y - New Kent line to Queen Ck bridge, 5.2 mi
US 301 - PG line south 18 mi
I-64 HRBT approach to VA 168, 13 mi
US 15/29/211 - ECL Warrenton east 13.5 mi
US 29/211 - 2.9 mi section roughly btw Buckland and VA 28
VA 350 - US 1 to VA 7, 4.3 mi
US 29 - 5.7 mi segment north ending at SR 649 near Charlottesville
US 11 - Augusta/Rockbridge line s 11.2 mi (except village of fairfield)
US 522 - just n of Double Tollgate s 7.4 mi
I-81 - Harrisonburg Byp, 7.5 mi

Mar 1961: (pg 13 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-03-1961-01.pdf)
I-95 - 5.4 mi segment from near VA 35 to near SR 626
I-95 - Emporia Byp, 4.5 mi
I-81 - near Pulaski/Wythe line n 8 mi
I-81 - Buchanan n 5.3 mi
I-81 - Bristol Byp, 5 mi
I-381 - all
I-81 - Abingdon byp, 6.9 mi
I-81 - 5.8 mi segment in northern Wythe county

Jan 1962: (pp 24-25 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-01-1962-01.pdf)
I-66 - Centerville to Gainesville, 8.7 mi
I-495 - VA 350 to US 50, 8 mi
I-495 - US 1 to WW Bridge, 0.45 mi
US 13 - Northampton SR 645 north 5.6 mi

Mar 1962: (pg 8 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-03-1962-01.pdf)
I-81 - 3.4 mi segment connecting the segments in Wythe/Pulaski Counties above
I-95 - VA 54 south 8.2 mi
I-95 - PG SR 626 to 1.6 mi north of Petersburg NCL, 5.2 mi

Apr 1964: (pp 22-23 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-04-1964-01.pdf)
US 58 - ECL Martinsville east 4.7 mi
VA 304 (now US 360) - ECL S Boston to VA 344, 7.2 mi
US 58 - VA 51 to SR 622, 6.2 mi
US 360 - US 15 Keysville e 5.7 mi
VA 10 - Chesterfield SR 732 south 3.9 mi
US 360 - from 2 mi w of amelia/Chesterfield line to previous US 360 segment above
US 360 - SR 705 to near Manquin, 9.7 mi
US 33 - I81 east 6.2 mi

Aug 1964: (pg 39 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-08-1964-01.pdf)
US 460 - 1.8 mi segment eastern Campbell County

Sep 1964: (pg 11 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-09-1964-01.pdf)
US 17 - Gloucester SR 615 south 9 mi
VA 3 - 6.9 mi segment w of Fredericksburg

Nov 1964: (pg 18 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-11-1964-01.pdf)
VA 33 - essentially between what is now VA 249 and VA 273, 2.6 mi

Feb 1965: (pp 19-20 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-02-1965-01.pdf)
US 460 WCL Appomattox west 6.7 mi
I-64 changed back to 55 mph for the 1.6 miles leading to the HRBT toll plaza in Hampton; assigned 45 mph on HRBT bridges, and it appears the tunnel itself was assigned 60 mph
US 60 - 2.7 mi segment York/James City line area
US 301 - north side of Rappahannock bridge north 9.4 mi

Mar 1965: (pp 14-15 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-03-1965-01.pdf)
US 360 - VA 153 w 3.9 mi
US 17 - Gloucester SR 615 n 1.9 mi
US 11 - 1 mi segment centered around Rockbridge SR 645

May 1965: (pg 10 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-05-1965-01.pdf)
US 360 - Hanover SR 705 w 4.7 mi

Aug 1965: (pp 20-21 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-08-1965-01.pdf)
US 58 - Henry/Pittsylvania line w 4 mi in two segments
US 360 - VA 344 e 4.2 mi
US 58 - new WCL Danville w 4.4 mi
US 13 - about VA 184 n 7.9 mi
US 33 - extend Harrisonburg segment above e 4.2 mi

Sep 1965: (pg 10 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-09-1965-01.pdf)
US 220 - Bassett Forks n 5 mi
US 460 - ECL Roanoke e 11 mi
US 29 - 3 segments totaling 5.2 mi centered roughly around Nelson SR 623
VA 10 - 2.4 mi segment just west of Appomattox R bridge

Oct 1965: (pp 16-17 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-10-1965-02.pdf)
US 460 - VA 24 w 6.2 mi
US 360 - Chula w 10.5 mi
US 1 - VA 46 n 3.1 mi (except the SB lanes for 0.62 mi would remain 55 mph)
US 1 - Brunswick SR 657 n 2.7 mi
US 58 - near VA 46 w 3.8 mi
US 1 - Dinwiddie SR 657 n 2.7 mi
US 1 - 1.4 mi segment around Dinwiddie/Brunswick line
US 60 - 1.6 mi segment in James City/York area
US 29 - Albemarle SR 649 n to Greene line, 4.6 mi
US 211 - 2 mi segment centered around eastern US 522 jct

Dec 1965: (pg 48 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-12-1965-01.pdf)
US 58 ALT - near St Paul ECL e 2.6 mi
US 58 - WCL Franklin w 2.4 mi
US 29 - Albemarle SR 712 s 2.7 mi
US 15/17/29 - essentially Opal to SCL Warrenton, 5.1 mi
US 522 - NCL Winchester n 5.5 mi

Jan 1966: (pg 31 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-01-1966-01.pdf)
US 360 - Ontario w 1.7 mi
US 17/360 - Hoskins Ck bridge to route split, 1.5 mi
US 50 - 1.2 mi centered around SR 709 near middleburg
US 11 - Steele Tavern n 1.5 mi

Feb 1966: (pg 23 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-02-1966-01.pdf)
US 460 - Prince Edward SR 607 e 2.6 mi

Mar 1966: (pp 23-25 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-03-1966-01.pdf)
US 58 - 0.4 mi segment near Henry SR 620
US 11/460 - Montgomery/Roanoke line w 9.5 mi
US 15/360 - Keysville Byp assigned 65 mph
US 58 - about 18 mi centered around Pittsylvania/Halifax line
US 58 - from VA 46 segment above w 3.6 mi
US 60 - Bottoms Bridge to VA 30, about 24 mi
I-64 Hampton Ck bridge w to James City line, about 20 mi assigned 65 mph
VA 168 - VA 168Y to near VA 143, 7.6 mi
VA 168Y - all
US 13 - Northampton SR 646 n 14 mi
US 11 - Rockbridge SR 710 n 9.1 mi
US 60 - 1.4 mi segment centered around Rockbridge SR 608
US 11 - 1 mi segment centered around Rockingham SR 704

[sprjus4]

I'm not old enough to remember the pre-NMSL days, although I have an old Virginia highway map upstairs somewhere that refers to the 70-mph speed limit. I'm curious, if anyone knows (recognizing Mapmikey's comment about the CTB not tracking speed limits), how widespread were 60-mph speed limits back then? It seems like nowadays Virginia makes more widespread use of 60-mph limits than most other East Coast states. Was that the case back then? I'm just curious whether there's some history here with that number.

The general Assembly acted in 1960 to allow 60 mph speed limits on 4-lane divided routes.

The CTB then assigned them (all are 60 assignments unless indicated; some duplicate segments may be listed as later the CTB imposed minimum speeds on some segments; it also appears that interstates changing from 60 to 65 were not explicitly in the tables)

Also note that the Richmond-Petersburg Turnpike had a 60 mph speed limit (per official maps) by 1961.

Aug 1960: (pp 24-27 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-08-1960-01.pdf)
US 11 - ECL Wytheville to past Ft Chiswell, 8 miles
US 11 - WCL Dublin to ECL Pulaski, 4.6 mi
US 460 - WCL Bedford west 12.1 mi
US 11/460 - Roanoke Riv bridge w 9.6 mi
US 460 - near US 501 e 6.4 mi
US 29 - 6.9 mi segment btw Chatham and Gretna
US 58 - WCL S. Boston to ECL Danville, 27 mi
US 60 - WCL Richmond to Midlothian, 8.7 mi
US 60 - james City line to Bottoms Bridge, 19 mi
US 301 - Sussex/PG line north 6.9 mi
US 360 - from 6 mi w of Richmond west 15 mi
US 60/VA 168/VA 168Y - New Kent line to Queen Ck bridge, 5.2 mi
US 301 - PG line south 18 mi
I-64 HRBT approach to VA 168, 13 mi
US 15/29/211 - ECL Warrenton east 13.5 mi
US 29/211 - 2.9 mi section roughly btw Buckland and VA 28
VA 350 - US 1 to VA 7, 4.3 mi
US 29 - 5.7 mi segment north ending at SR 649 near Charlottesville
US 11 - Augusta/Rockbridge line s 11.2 mi (except village of fairfield)
US 522 - just n of Double Tollgate s 7.4 mi
I-81 - Harrisonburg Byp, 7.5 mi

Mar 1961: (pg 13 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-03-1961-01.pdf)
I-95 - 5.4 mi segment from near VA 35 to near SR 626
I-95 - Emporia Byp, 4.5 mi
I-81 - near Pulaski/Wythe line n 8 mi
I-81 - Buchanan n 5.3 mi
I-81 - Bristol Byp, 5 mi
I-381 - all
I-81 - Abingdon byp, 6.9 mi
I-81 - 5.8 mi segment in northern Wythe county

Jan 1962: (pp 24-25 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-01-1962-01.pdf)
I-66 - Centerville to Gainesville, 8.7 mi
I-495 - VA 350 to US 50, 8 mi
I-495 - US 1 to WW Bridge, 0.45 mi
US 13 - Northampton SR 645 north 5.6 mi

Mar 1962: (pg 8 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-03-1962-01.pdf)
I-81 - 3.4 mi segment connecting the segments in Wythe/Pulaski Counties above
I-95 - VA 54 south 8.2 mi
I-95 - PG SR 626 to 1.6 mi north of Petersburg NCL, 5.2 mi

Apr 1964: (pp 22-23 at http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-04-1964-01.pdf)
US 58 - ECL Martinsville east 4.7 mi
VA 304 (now US 360) - ECL S Boston to VA 344, 7.2 mi
US 58 - VA 51 to SR 622, 6.2 mi
US 360 - US 15 Keysville e 5.7 mi
VA 10 - Chesterfield SR 732 south 3.9 mi
US 360 - from 2 mi w of amelia/Chesterfield line to previous US 360 segment above
US 360 - SR 705 to near Manquin, 9.7 mi
US 33 - I81 east 6.2 mi

Aug 1964: (pg 39 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-08-1964-01.pdf)
US 460 - 1.8 mi segment eastern Campbell County

Sep 1964: (pg 11 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-09-1964-01.pdf)
US 17 - Gloucester SR 615 south 9 mi
VA 3 - 6.9 mi segment w of Fredericksburg

Nov 1964: (pg 18 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-11-1964-01.pdf)
VA 33 - essentially between what is now VA 249 and VA 273, 2.6 mi

Feb 1965: (pp 19-20 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-02-1965-01.pdf)
US 460 WCL Appomattox west 6.7 mi
I-64 changed back to 55 mph for the 1.6 miles leading to the HRBT toll plaza in Hampton; assigned 45 mph on HRBT bridges, and it appears the tunnel itself was assigned 60 mph
US 60 - 2.7 mi segment York/James City line area
US 301 - north side of Rappahannock bridge north 9.4 mi

Mar 1965: (pp 14-15 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-03-1965-01.pdf)
US 360 - VA 153 w 3.9 mi
US 17 - Gloucester SR 615 n 1.9 mi
US 11 - 1 mi segment centered around Rockbridge SR 645

May 1965: (pg 10 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-05-1965-01.pdf)
US 360 - Hanover SR 705 w 4.7 mi

Aug 1965: (pp 20-21 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-08-1965-01.pdf)
US 58 - Henry/Pittsylvania line w 4 mi in two segments
US 360 - VA 344 e 4.2 mi
US 58 - new WCL Danville w 4.4 mi
US 13 - about VA 184 n 7.9 mi
US 33 - extend Harrisonburg segment above e 4.2 mi

Sep 1965: (pg 10 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-09-1965-01.pdf)
US 220 - Bassett Forks n 5 mi
US 460 - ECL Roanoke e 11 mi
US 29 - 3 segments totaling 5.2 mi centered roughly around Nelson SR 623
VA 10 - 2.4 mi segment just west of Appomattox R bridge

Oct 1965: (pp 16-17 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-10-1965-02.pdf)
US 460 - VA 24 w 6.2 mi
US 360 - Chula w 10.5 mi
US 1 - VA 46 n 3.1 mi (except the SB lanes for 0.62 mi would remain 55 mph)
US 1 - Brunswick SR 657 n 2.7 mi
US 58 - near VA 46 w 3.8 mi
US 1 - Dinwiddie SR 657 n 2.7 mi
US 1 - 1.4 mi segment around Dinwiddie/Brunswick line
US 60 - 1.6 mi segment in James City/York area
US 29 - Albemarle SR 649 n to Greene line, 4.6 mi
US 211 - 2 mi segment centered around eastern US 522 jct

Dec 1965: (pg 48 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-12-1965-01.pdf)
US 58 ALT - near St Paul ECL e 2.6 mi
US 58 - WCL Franklin w 2.4 mi
US 29 - Albemarle SR 712 s 2.7 mi
US 15/17/29 - essentially Opal to SCL Warrenton, 5.1 mi
US 522 - NCL Winchester n 5.5 mi

Jan 1966: (pg 31 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-01-1966-01.pdf)
US 360 - Ontario w 1.7 mi
US 17/360 - Hoskins Ck bridge to route split, 1.5 mi
US 50 - 1.2 mi centered around SR 709 near middleburg
US 11 - Steele Tavern n 1.5 mi

Feb 1966: (pg 23 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-02-1966-01.pdf)
US 460 - Prince Edward SR 607 e 2.6 mi

Mar 1966: (pp 23-25 http://www.ctb.virginia.gov/meetings/minutes_pdf/CTB-03-1966-01.pdf)
US 58 - 0.4 mi segment near Henry SR 620
US 11/460 - Montgomery/Roanoke line w 9.5 mi
US 15/360 - Keysville Byp assigned 65 mph
US 58 - about 18 mi centered around Pittsylvania/Halifax line
US 58 - from VA 46 segment above w 3.6 mi
US 60 - Bottoms Bridge to VA 30, about 24 mi
I-64 Hampton Ck bridge w to James City line, about 20 mi assigned 65 mph
VA 168 - VA 168Y to near VA 143, 7.6 mi
VA 168Y - all
US 13 - Northampton SR 646 n 14 mi
US 11 - Rockbridge SR 710 n 9.1 mi
US 60 - 1.4 mi segment centered around Rockbridge SR 608
US 11 - 1 mi segment centered around Rockingham SR 704

Interesting information. So, essentially, a lot of the interstates, when they were just segmented bypasses at the time, not full continuous freeway routes for miles, they were simply posted at 60 MPH?

[sprjus4]

Interesting pricing information. These are candidate projects VDOT & HRTPO are evaluating for the 2045 Long-Range Transportation Plan, and give 2019 cost estimates. This is from January 30.

• I-64 Peninsula Widening to 6 Lanes - Segment 4 - Route 199 to James City / New Kent County Line ($300 million)
• I-64 Peninsula Widening to 8 Lanes - Segment 1 - Jefferson Ave to Exit 247 / Yorktown ($500 million)
• I-664 Widening / MMMBT - Entire Corridor ($4 billion)
• I-264 Improvements between Military Hwy and Rosemont Rd - Added Capacity + Interchange Improvements ($2.4 billion)
• I-64 / Denbigh Interchange ($350 million)
• I-564 / I-664 Connector - Patriots Crossing ($4.2 billion)
• I-64 / I-464 Interchange Improvements ($347 million)
• US 460/58/13 Connector - 8 Lane Option - Bowers Hill to US 58 Bypass ($590 million)
• Route 164 Widening - I-664 to Midtown Tunnel ($195 million)
• I-64 / I-264 Interchange Improvements - Phase 3 (Unknown Cost)
• U.S. Route 58 Corridor - Suffolk Bypass to Interstate 95 (Unknown Cost)
• Air Terminal Interchange (Unknown Cost)

Other projects currently apart of the 2040 Long Range Transportation Plan along with 2019 cost estimates.

• I-64 / HRBT Widening ($3.8 billion)
• I-64 Southside Widening - 8 Lanes - Phase 2 ($1.7 billion)
• Bowers Hill Interchange ($659 million)
• I-64 / Fort Eustis Blvd Interchange ($320 million)
• US 460/58/13 Connector - Upgrade to Interstate - No Additional Capacity ($396 million)

All of these projects are $19.8 billion total in 2019 dollars, plus the I-64 / I-264 Interchange Improvements Phase 3, U.S. Route 58 Corridor, and Air Terminal Interchange costs.

https://www.hrtpo.org/uploads/docs/P7-2045_LRTP_Candidate_Projects.pdf

[Mapmikey]

Interesting information. So, essentially, a lot of the interstates, when they were just segmented bypasses at the time, not full continuous freeway routes for miles, they were simply posted at 60 MPH?

It appears that 65 mph didn't come along until 1963, per official maps.  Some larger segments of interstates were opening by then.  My thought is that any rural interstate segment opening 1963 or later got a 65 mph limit while urban interstates were assigned something by the CTB, who didn't bother to formally announce the uptick in limits (unless for some reason the limits didn't actually go up until after March 1966).

[sprjus4]

This is interesting. A few months back, the US 58/460/13 Connector study was suspended, and remaining funds were returned to HRTAC. Looks like they are no longer interested in this for the time being.

https://www.hrtpo.org/uploads/docs/111518%2013%20Route%20460%2058%2013%20Connector%20Study%20Update.pdf

[froggie]

It's moreso a case that they determined the existing 6 lanes will be adequate for 2040, so they no longer could use the funding source used for the study.  That funding source "is only to be used to fund projects that address significant congestion."

[sprjus4]

It's moreso a case that they determined the existing 6 lanes will be adequate for 2040, so they no longer could use the funding source used for the study.  That funding source "is only to be used to fund projects that address significant congestion."

That also kills the chances of interchanges and a full interstate upgrade. That would not address congestion issues, which currently do not exist.

[froggie]

Doesn't necessarily kill the chances.  Just means they can't use regional funding and thus need to apply for funding through SmartScale.  Or Suffolk and Chesapeake can pay "out of their own pocket" if they deem it important enough....not unlike what Fairfax County and Virginia Beach (for two examples) have done for road improvements in their jurisdictions.

[sprjus4]

Doesn't necessarily kill the chances.  Just means they can't use regional funding and thus need to apply for funding through SmartScale.  Or Suffolk and Chesapeake can pay "out of their own pocket" if they deem it important enough....not unlike what Fairfax County and Virginia Beach (for two examples) have done for road improvements in their jurisdictions.

It's estimated to cost $400 million. Chesapeake did a project for $345 million. They used tolls. That project was far more important and beneficial than this highway. Besides, Chesapeake's interests are on I-87 / US 17, not US 58.

It's not going to get locality funding, and it certainly isn't going to get any significant SmartScale funding. SmartScale isn't going to fund a highway which already has 6 lanes, limited-access, no traffic issues, just to build some interchanges and widen the shoulders for $400 million. SmartScale can't even fund some needed projects, it's certainly not going to for this.

It's going to be a stretch before any funding is used. Not to mention the wetland impacts. The decision to widen it to, not 4, but 6 lanes in 1970 was a smart one, because it's 2019 and can still adequately handle the traffic counts today.

[froggie]

^ From your last sentence, I'm guessing you weren't aware that segment of 58 was 4-laned in the 1940s.

[sprjus4]

^ From your last sentence, I'm guessing you weren't aware that segment of 58 was 4-laned in the 1940s.

I'm referring to when they constructed the new westbound lanes, and converted the old roadway into eastbound lanes.

It could've been done with 4 lanes, but they instead decided to do it with 6, or left it as is.

[Beltway]

It's moreso a case that they determined the existing 6 lanes will be adequate for 2040, so they no longer could use the funding source used for the study.  That funding source "is only to be used to fund projects that address significant congestion."

They only need 2 interchanges and some service roads to provide full freeway design on US-58/US-13/US-460 between Suffolk Bypass and I-64/I-264/I-664.  If they can't afford the whole project then they should focus on building those interchanges.

The busier easterly half of the interchange at the landfill already exists.  The other half needs to be built.  A full interchange is needed at the general aviation airport.