Virginia

[Mapmikey]

Did you perhaps forget the link to the Shirley Highway video? That one is the one I would find the most interesting of those and I don't see the link, unless it's part of one of the others (I haven't tried to watch them all).

Thanks for posting those.

Added link. There could be more stuff that has keywords I didn't search. There are definitely more construction clips of the same facilities I cited

[sprjus4]

I'm not sure if these are the exact same (I seem to recall similar videos), but WAVY TV 10 on YouTube has hundreds of "WAVY Archive" clips posted on YouTube from the 70s through the 90s - some of these including highway construction and footage.

A simple search on YouTube of "WAVY Archive" will reveal a lot of these.

Opening of the second Berkley Bridge / Downtown Norfolk interchange complex 1991: https://youtu.be/E_6RfcqbV34?si=VGVBilraxaSntGD1

More specifically, a search of "WAVY Archive tunnel" will reveal several project update videos throughout the 1980s of construction of the second Downtown Tunnel and I-464 interchange.

Here are some (and you can find more on YouTube as well):
https://youtu.be/GOTd7fdqqE0?si=7ZDb-OGY6tk4K-Du

https://youtu.be/R5J7N3EIorw?si=b8QC-PxwBjLIWFI4

https://youtu.be/v-sF0xcukPc?si=0IzDmCKqZNxNIziZ

https://youtu.be/Rch82AJCVwY?si=liVBOqzITjQVye23

https://youtu.be/8aYaCfLXB7Q?si=K9dBeDjuN6x2zy0r

https://youtu.be/uBfT5ovROxg?si=tgHOrJOTt6KnKGot

https://youtu.be/oOjMA5P9cyQ?si=eU-0ssqANY6C478h

https://youtu.be/B452nT3tAQs?si=1NKHi3LVqyHOVtVL

[1995hoo]

Did you perhaps forget the link to the Shirley Highway video? That one is the one I would find the most interesting of those and I don't see the link, unless it's part of one of the others (I haven't tried to watch them all).

Thanks for posting those.

Added link. There could be more stuff that has keywords I didn't search. There are definitely more construction clips of the same facilities I cited

Thanks again for posting that. I just got around to watching it. One of the things I love about watching videos like that is to see how much some things have changed (in that one, obviously the road itself is the most notable) while also seeing how much some other things remain the same (in that one, primarily some of the apartment buildings along the highway).

[froggie]

1968 color footage (72 sec) of Shirley Highway construction; shows a VA 120 posting and a cool electronic model of the new busway at the very end - https://olddomuni.access.preservica.com/uncategorized/IO_c5b253d3-5cae-43d2-87b3-e25c54ca027f/

At ~0:39, one is looking south(west)bound, after Seminary.  The Landmark and Key Towers are visible.

The last bit of the video looks to me more like a model of the I-95/Franconia Rd interchange.

Most of this video is driving along a lot of Hampton Blvd, though manages not to show any route markers - https://olddomuni.access.preservica.com/uncategorized/IO_f711813c-9f38-410b-95a2-b15cbf856906/

I'm not convinced that the straightaway scene with the rail bridge around 1:35 is on Hampton Blvd.

The left turn in the last piece (at around 6:10), I believe is from SB Hampton Blvd to Bolling Ave.

[Mapmikey]

I'm not convinced that the straightaway scene with the rail bridge around 1:35 is on Hampton Blvd.

The railroad bridge is on the 1963 aerial and is ~500 ft south of Taussig Blvd.  They are driving south from there.  The building on the left past the bridge appears to be this building, though it has been altered since this circa 1955 clip - https://maps.app.goo.gl/kYmjdM5KT2Vumgsy6

The stoplight at 2:07 appears to be at B Ave, ~2050 ft from the bridge which works out to about 44 mph.

At 2:36 look carefully and you can see the back of a circle RR warning sign, then at 2:41-42 a quick flash of the railroad crossbuck/signal before it transitions to a new scene at 2:44.  Here was what it looked like in 2009 before removing it for the intermodal connector and is about 3500 ft from the overpass (works out to about 40 mph) - https://maps.app.goo.gl/pSfEqb6kefjnS9N98    The barracks structure on the left just before the RR here is also visible in the 1963 aerial.

[Thing 342]

VDOT has posted the project site for the proposed I-64 / VA-173 Denbigh Blvd. interchange:

• Phase 1: Includes westbound exit and entrance ramps. Proposed construction timeline of late 2025 to mid 2029.
  
• Phase 2: Includes eastbound exit and entrance ramps. Proposed construction timeline of mid 2030 to mid 2034.

This project would help reduce the queuing at Exit 255B from westbound I-64 to westbound VA-143 that occurs at rush hour. I have some concerns about the length of the ramp here, as I expect a decent amount of the traffic here to be turning left from westbound I-64 to eastbound VA-173. Also I'm curious why they didn't add the required width for turn lanes as part of the total replacement of this bridge that wrapped up recently.

[amroad17]

I just realized that Co is used here instead of CH for Courthouse for some reason.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882373731500&set=a.10217882434013007)

I've noticed it both times I've passed the sign, the sign looks like it says Hanover County is in 10 miles.

Why would VDOT change the mileage sign to "Hanover Co" (of all things instead of "Hanover CH") when just "Hanover" was good enough up until 2019?  A possibility of "We have to change this for the sake of change!"?

Plus, even though the sign apparatus has been this way for quite a while, the SR 1000 shield should not be used there.  It needs to be on its own post—probably 100 feet before the mileage sign.

I am amazed at how bad signage is in Virginia compared to how signage was throughout the 1970's—which was wonderful compared to now.  I do like the mixed case lettering on mileage and wayfinding signs but some presentations are mind boggling, such as the mileage sign discussed above.  I do know that independent cities are responsible for signage along non-Interstate highways, however, some of these cities (Norfolk and Virginia Beach especially) need to improve their signage.  Perhaps increase their budgets for this to make it happen?

[amroad17]

I'm not sure if these are the exact same (I seem to recall similar videos), but WAVY TV 10 on YouTube has hundreds of "WAVY Archive" clips posted on YouTube from the 70s through the 90s - some of these including highway construction and footage.

A simple search on YouTube of "WAVY Archive" will reveal a lot of these.

Opening of the second Berkley Bridge / Downtown Norfolk interchange complex 1991: https://youtu.be/E_6RfcqbV34?si=VGVBilraxaSntGD1

More specifically, a search of "WAVY Archive tunnel" will reveal several project update videos throughout the 1980s of construction of the second Downtown Tunnel and I-464 interchange.

Here are some (and you can find more on YouTube as well):
https://youtu.be/GOTd7fdqqE0?si=7ZDb-OGY6tk4K-Du

https://youtu.be/R5J7N3EIorw?si=b8QC-PxwBjLIWFI4

https://youtu.be/v-sF0xcukPc?si=0IzDmCKqZNxNIziZ

https://youtu.be/Rch82AJCVwY?si=liVBOqzITjQVye23

https://youtu.be/8aYaCfLXB7Q?si=K9dBeDjuN6x2zy0r

https://youtu.be/uBfT5ovROxg?si=tgHOrJOTt6KnKGot

https://youtu.be/oOjMA5P9cyQ?si=eU-0ssqANY6C478h

https://youtu.be/B452nT3tAQs?si=1NKHi3LVqyHOVtVL

As one who witnessed the construction and completion of all the projects above (as well as the construction and completion of I-664 and the MMMBT), these bring back wonderful memories of how much the Hampton Roads road system was improved from when I first moved to the area in 1972.  This Downtown Tunnels project was a welcome relief from the incredible long traffic lines due to the toll payment on the Norfolk side and the narrowing of the lanes on I-264 to the tunnel approach on the Portsmouth side.  It actually made it much easier to travel from Portsmouth and Chesapeake to Norfolk and Virginia Beach and vice versa (although there were more activities on the Norfolk/Va Beach side).  Also, with I-464 completed, those living in the Great Bridge and Greenbrier areas of Chesapeake could drive to Norfolk much quicker than using Bainbridge, Poindexter, or Campostella to get there.

And the image of the late, great Terry Zahn.  Thank you sprjus4! 

[WillWeaverRVA]

I just realized that Co is used here instead of CH for Courthouse for some reason.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882373731500&set=a.10217882434013007)

I've noticed it both times I've passed the sign, the sign looks like it says Hanover County is in 10 miles.

Why would VDOT change the mileage sign to "Hanover Co" (of all things instead of "Hanover CH") when just "Hanover" was good enough up until 2019?  A possibility of "We have to change this for the sake of change!"?

Plus, even though the sign apparatus has been this way for quite a while, the SR 1000 shield should not be used there.  It needs to be on its own post—probably 100 feet before the mileage sign.

I am amazed at how bad signage is in Virginia compared to how signage was throughout the 1970's—which was wonderful compared to now.  I do like the mixed case lettering on mileage and wayfinding signs but some presentations are mind boggling, such as the mileage sign discussed above.  I do know that independent cities are responsible for signage along non-Interstate highways, however, some of these cities (Norfolk and Virginia Beach especially) need to improve their signage.  Perhaps increase their budgets for this to make it happen?

I'm fine with the SR 1000 signage being there, but it needs to be on the right.

[sprjus4]

As one who witnessed the construction and completion of all the projects above (as well as the construction and completion of I-664 and the MMMBT), these bring back wonderful memories of how much the Hampton Roads road system was improved from when I first moved to the area in 1972.  This Downtown Tunnels project was a welcome relief from the incredible long traffic lines due to the toll payment on the Norfolk side and the narrowing of the lanes on I-264 to the tunnel approach on the Portsmouth side.  It actually made it much easier to travel from Portsmouth and Chesapeake to Norfolk and Virginia Beach and vice versa (although there were more activities on the Norfolk/Va Beach side).  Also, with I-464 completed, those living in the Great Bridge and Greenbrier areas of Chesapeake could drive to Norfolk much quicker than using Bainbridge, Poindexter, or Campostella to get there.

And the image of the late, great Terry Zahn.  Thank you sprjus4! 

I-464 has always been interesting to me. It was one of the newest interstates built from the original 1956 plan in the area and was built out to its ultimate design of  6 lanes immediately.

Just a few years later, I-664 was constructed with a similar ultimate design of 6 lanes, however it was only initially constructed with 4 lanes - which remains the same today.

I-464 carries just around 50,000 AADT along most of its length and does a flawless job moving traffic between Downtown Norfolk and the VA-168 / US-17 freeways (built even later on) down near Great Bridge, even during peak hours. Similarly, I-664 carries nearly 90,000 AADT and is frequently choked up during peak hours.

Was there an assumption of a large growth pattern towards Norfolk? Why was there priority on giving I-464 its six lanes immediately, but they deemed I-664 adequate enough to simply be 4 lanes?

Also, sort of unrelated, but US-58 was widened to six lanes divided in the early 1970s heading out to Suffolk. Was there any particular reason that route - at the time, in the middle of nowhere and away from the urban core - was built out to six lanes that far back? Again - it has proved wonders today, carrying nearly 80,000 AADT with no congestion issues.

These two cases of I-464 and US-58 have always fascinated me, built with six lanes initially and never need to be improved (although, US-58 could have its intersections closed), and then I-664 and I-64 in the western part of the metro with only 4, and needing tolled express lanes added. Imagine both I-664 and I-64 were built to six lanes immediately as well (or if they widened with GP lanes over express)... these express lanes wouldn't even be a discussion or need, and the traffic woes on this side of the metro wouldn't exist or be nearly as bad.

[Alps]

I just realized that Co is used here instead of CH for Courthouse for some reason.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882373731500&set=a.10217882434013007)

I've noticed it both times I've passed the sign, the sign looks like it says Hanover County is in 10 miles.

Why would VDOT change the mileage sign to "Hanover Co" (of all things instead of "Hanover CH") when just "Hanover" was good enough up until 2019?  A possibility of "We have to change this for the sake of change!"?

Plus, even though the sign apparatus has been this way for quite a while, the SR 1000 shield should not be used there.  It needs to be on its own post—probably 100 feet before the mileage sign.

I am amazed at how bad signage is in Virginia compared to how signage was throughout the 1970's—which was wonderful compared to now.  I do like the mixed case lettering on mileage and wayfinding signs but some presentations are mind boggling, such as the mileage sign discussed above.  I do know that independent cities are responsible for signage along non-Interstate highways, however, some of these cities (Norfolk and Virginia Beach especially) need to improve their signage.  Perhaps increase their budgets for this to make it happen?

I'm fine with the SR 1000 signage being there, but it needs to be on the right.

I'm not fine with it, because there's a distance sign there. The 1000 should be paired with its own distance sign, not the one for the mainline. The mainline one should be after the intersection anyway.

[amroad17]

I just realized that Co is used here instead of CH for Courthouse for some reason.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882373731500&set=a.10217882434013007)

I've noticed it both times I've passed the sign, the sign looks like it says Hanover County is in 10 miles.

Why would VDOT change the mileage sign to "Hanover Co" (of all things instead of "Hanover CH") when just "Hanover" was good enough up until 2019?  A possibility of "We have to change this for the sake of change!"?

Plus, even though the sign apparatus has been this way for quite a while, the SR 1000 shield should not be used there.  It needs to be on its own post—probably 100 feet before the mileage sign.

I am amazed at how bad signage is in Virginia compared to how signage was throughout the 1970's—which was wonderful compared to now.  I do like the mixed case lettering on mileage and wayfinding signs but some presentations are mind boggling, such as the mileage sign discussed above.  I do know that independent cities are responsible for signage along non-Interstate highways, however, some of these cities (Norfolk and Virginia Beach especially) need to improve their signage.  Perhaps increase their budgets for this to make it happen?

I'm fine with the SR 1000 signage being there, but it needs to be on the right.

I'm not fine with it, because there's a distance sign there. The 1000 should be paired with its own distance sign, not the one for the mainline. The mainline one should be after the intersection anyway.

The distance sign is placed there because the interchange with I-295 is about 1000 feet behind the photo.  Virginia DOT usually places mileage signs within 1000 feet after an interchange or intersection, from what I have seen.  I also agree that the SR 1000 shield should not be anywhere on that US 301/VA 2 mileage sign.  If one looks at the photo, the next intersection has SR 1000 and SR 1364.  SR 1364 doesn't have an advance sign, why does SR 1000 need to have one?

[amroad17]

As one who witnessed the construction and completion of all the projects above (as well as the construction and completion of I-664 and the MMMBT), these bring back wonderful memories of how much the Hampton Roads road system was improved from when I first moved to the area in 1972.  This Downtown Tunnels project was a welcome relief from the incredible long traffic lines due to the toll payment on the Norfolk side and the narrowing of the lanes on I-264 to the tunnel approach on the Portsmouth side.  It actually made it much easier to travel from Portsmouth and Chesapeake to Norfolk and Virginia Beach and vice versa (although there were more activities on the Norfolk/Va Beach side).  Also, with I-464 completed, those living in the Great Bridge and Greenbrier areas of Chesapeake could drive to Norfolk much quicker than using Bainbridge, Poindexter, or Campostella to get there.

And the image of the late, great Terry Zahn.  Thank you sprjus4! 

I-464 has always been interesting to me. It was one of the newest interstates built from the original 1956 plan in the area and was built out to its ultimate design of  6 lanes immediately.

Just a few years later, I-664 was constructed with a similar ultimate design of 6 lanes, however it was only initially constructed with 4 lanes - which remains the same today.

I-464 carries just around 50,000 AADT along most of its length and does a flawless job moving traffic between Downtown Norfolk and the VA-168 / US-17 freeways (built even later on) down near Great Bridge, even during peak hours. Similarly, I-664 carries nearly 90,000 AADT and is frequently choked up during peak hours.

Was there an assumption of a large growth pattern towards Norfolk? Why was there priority on giving I-464 its six lanes immediately, but they deemed I-664 adequate enough to simply be 4 lanes?

Also, sort of unrelated, but US-58 was widened to six lanes divided in the early 1970s heading out to Suffolk. Was there any particular reason that route - at the time, in the middle of nowhere and away from the urban core - was built out to six lanes that far back? Again - it has proved wonders today, carrying nearly 80,000 AADT with no congestion issues.

These two cases of I-464 and US-58 have always fascinated me, built with six lanes initially and never need to be improved (although, US-58 could have its intersections closed), and then I-664 and I-64 in the western part of the metro with only 4, and needing tolled express lanes added. Imagine both I-664 and I-64 were built to six lanes immediately as well (or if they widened with GP lanes over express)... these express lanes wouldn't even be a discussion or need, and the traffic woes on this side of the metro wouldn't exist or be nearly as bad.

When I-664 was completed in 1992, there was not a whole lot of development in that area.  Yes, Chesapeake Square was there (finished in 1989) along with the two other centers, however, there wasn't anything of importance west of I-664.  Harbour View was in its early, and I do mean early, infancy—just the Towne Point Road overpass between Exits 8 & 9 and a little bit of the Harbour View Blvd heading north from Towne Point.  Trees were not cut down back there yet.  VA 135 NB led to the old GE plant and the former Tidewater Community College-Portsmouth campus.  There was nothing but fields and woods east of College Drive (VA 135). 

With the advent of Harbour View and all the development that exploded in the late 1990's to early 2000's along College Drive, Towne Point Road, and US 17 toward Bennett's Creek as well as the development occurring on VA 337 west of I-664 in addition to the increase in population in that area, it is no wonder traffic counts are at 90,000 AADT.

Yes, I-664 should have been constructed with six lanes.  It seems as if no one realized that this highway would end up as busy as it is.  They should have since this is a quicker way to get to the Peninsula from Portsmouth and western Chesapeake and that the Harbour View development was going to be built.  Now with the Amazon buildings along VA 337 (Portsmouth Blvd/Nansemond Pkwy) as well as some more businesses along that stretch of road I-664 is going to have more issues.  Adding one extra lane to both NB and SB needs to be a sooner rather than later priority.

[Mapmikey]

I just realized that Co is used here instead of CH for Courthouse for some reason.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882373731500&set=a.10217882434013007)

I've noticed it both times I've passed the sign, the sign looks like it says Hanover County is in 10 miles.

Why would VDOT change the mileage sign to "Hanover Co" (of all things instead of "Hanover CH") when just "Hanover" was good enough up until 2019?  A possibility of "We have to change this for the sake of change!"?

Plus, even though the sign apparatus has been this way for quite a while, the SR 1000 shield should not be used there.  It needs to be on its own post—probably 100 feet before the mileage sign.

I am amazed at how bad signage is in Virginia compared to how signage was throughout the 1970's—which was wonderful compared to now.  I do like the mixed case lettering on mileage and wayfinding signs but some presentations are mind boggling, such as the mileage sign discussed above.  I do know that independent cities are responsible for signage along non-Interstate highways, however, some of these cities (Norfolk and Virginia Beach especially) need to improve their signage.  Perhaps increase their budgets for this to make it happen?

I'm fine with the SR 1000 signage being there, but it needs to be on the right.

I'm not fine with it, because there's a distance sign there. The 1000 should be paired with its own distance sign, not the one for the mainline. The mainline one should be after the intersection anyway.

The distance sign is placed there because the interchange with I-295 is about 1000 feet behind the photo.  Virginia DOT usually places mileage signs within 1000 feet after an interchange or intersection, from what I have seen.  I also agree that the SR 1000 shield should not be anywhere on that US 301/VA 2 mileage sign.  If one looks at the photo, the next intersection has SR 1000 and SR 1364.  SR 1364 doesn't have an advance sign, why does SR 1000 need to have one?

Neither route has advance signage from the other direction

[74/171FAN]

Anyone have a problem with this mileage sign on VA 156 SB in Mechanicsville having the junction shield for SR 1131 on it.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10219790361710007&set=a.10219791255612354)

[sprjus4]

https://www.pilotonline.com/2024/01/13/abortion-guns-housing-and-more-a-breakdown-of-bills-introduced-in-virginias-general-assembly/

Two interesting bills being proposed this year that are transportation related in Virginia.

Transportation

Hampton Roads might be getting a new bridge.

Del. Kim Taylor, R-Petersburg, introduced legislation that would order a study to explore constructing a bridge from James City County to Hog Island in Surry County. She said Surry County's population is growing and many residents rely on the ferry to get to work.

"People are living in Surry but working elsewhere," Taylor said. "This is not the beginning of the bridge project, but a study that will provide us with valuable information about the impacts of a bridge across the (James) river."

Another bill from Del. Candi Mundon King, D-Richmond, would cap electronic toll collection charges at $200 per month for state residents using toll bridges, ferries, roads or tunnels. The bill would further allow those who receive Temporary Assistance for Needy Families benefits to use such infrastructure for free.

[Takumi]

I wonder where that bridge would go. The logical directions would be either northwest of where the nuclear power plant is, to meet up around SR 617 across the river, or northeast to the Grove area. Due north is likely blocked by Kingsmill.

[Mapmikey]

Virginia twice issued permits to build a bridge in this area - 1928 and 1933. Both to the same company. Never got anywhere.

[plain]

I'm sure such a bridge would be a drawbridge. A high level bridge would not be worth the costs for the amount of traffic using it, despite how much Surry is "growing". And either way it would be lengthy.

[74/171FAN]

I just realized that Co is used here instead of CH for Courthouse for some reason.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10217882373731500&set=a.10217882434013007)

I've noticed it both times I've passed the sign, the sign looks like it says Hanover County is in 10 miles.

Why would VDOT change the mileage sign to "Hanover Co" (of all things instead of "Hanover CH") when just "Hanover" was good enough up until 2019?  A possibility of "We have to change this for the sake of change!"?

Plus, even though the sign apparatus has been this way for quite a while, the SR 1000 shield should not be used there.  It needs to be on its own post—probably 100 feet before the mileage sign.

I am amazed at how bad signage is in Virginia compared to how signage was throughout the 1970's—which was wonderful compared to now.  I do like the mixed case lettering on mileage and wayfinding signs but some presentations are mind boggling, such as the mileage sign discussed above.  I do know that independent cities are responsible for signage along non-Interstate highways, however, some of these cities (Norfolk and Virginia Beach especially) need to improve their signage.  Perhaps increase their budgets for this to make it happen?

I'm fine with the SR 1000 signage being there, but it needs to be on the right.

I'm not fine with it, because there's a distance sign there. The 1000 should be paired with its own distance sign, not the one for the mainline. The mainline one should be after the intersection anyway.

I also got the US 301 SB/VA 2 SB version of this.  (https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10219276702868857&set=a.10219276900353794)

[roadman65]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HGLauE2hT3BZUyNHA
Are the independent cities of Virginia ever going to sign business routes through their city limits? I couldn't help noticing that Suffolk, among many others, is still not signing BUSINESS headers for the US routes that have long bypassed the city center.  Not to mention, this assembly in particular, is been erected long after all three routes got realigned to the bypass freeway. So this is been, no doubt, copied from an older shield assembly as most independent cities now seem to all post shields on small guides.

[WillWeaverRVA]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HGLauE2hT3BZUyNHA
Are the independent cities of Virginia ever going to sign business routes through their city limits? I couldn't help noticing that Suffolk, among many others, is still not signing BUSINESS headers for the US routes that have long bypassed the city center.  Not to mention, this assembly in particular, is been erected long after all three routes got realigned to the bypass freeway. So this is been, no doubt, copied from an older shield assembly as most independent cities now seem to all post shields on small guides.

A lot of the independent cities of Virginia don't sign mainline routes properly, especially Richmond. I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Mapmikey]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HGLauE2hT3BZUyNHA
Are the independent cities of Virginia ever going to sign business routes through their city limits? I couldn't help noticing that Suffolk, among many others, is still not signing BUSINESS headers for the US routes that have long bypassed the city center.  Not to mention, this assembly in particular, is been erected long after all three routes got realigned to the bypass freeway. So this is been, no doubt, copied from an older shield assembly as most independent cities now seem to all post shields on small guides.

Suffolk in general does post the business banners:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zT7yxqijfuQexCgp9
https://maps.app.goo.gl/sg5neqjqnpBCgK6L6
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MGuVS5EgyX7h749u8
https://maps.app.goo.gl/X1C16P7jpDFGWE9bA

Some cities are better than others at Business route signage...

[roadman65]

One thing I do miss is the cities like Williamsburg that once used small cut out shields.   I used to like them over the rectangular shield guide signs of today.

[Mapmikey]

One thing I do miss is the cities like Williamsburg that once used small cut out shields.   I used to like them over the rectangular shield guide signs of today.

When I lived in Norfolk 1991-93 we used to go to Williamsburg a lot.  Always enjoyed the piles of cutouts.  Wished I'd taken some pictures.  Paying $ for each photo changes the philosophy on what you photograph.

I will admit the replacement signage they used, along with Newport News and more recently, Covington, are pretty sharp.