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Title: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Marf on December 25, 2017, 05:38:08 PM
Seriously, this guy seems to not exist. He simply has his username in back text with no other profile. He does not see to have ever registered even though he posts. Even banned people have a user sidebar.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: jp the roadgeek on December 25, 2017, 05:45:39 PM
Has to be Ethanman or TheAlan360 under a different username.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Marf on December 25, 2017, 05:47:03 PM
Wait, a l a n was banned? I thought he just s***posted and left.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: hotdogPi on December 25, 2017, 05:52:54 PM
Quote from: Marf on December 25, 2017, 05:47:03 PM
Wait, a l a n was banned? I thought he just s***posted and left.

He's banned. Banned users don't appear on the "members" list.

sdmichael is not either one of those, though. These are just people without accounts. ComputerGuy, another black-text-only "account", was a constructive contributor.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Marf on December 25, 2017, 05:54:50 PM
How the hell does someone get around membership? That seems like a thing that the admins would crack down on pronto.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: hotdogPi on December 25, 2017, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: Marf on December 25, 2017, 05:54:50 PM
How the hell does someone get around membership? That seems like a thing that the admins would crack down on pronto.

It seems like sdmichael's account was deleted. ComputerGuy, on the other hand, was never an account to begin with.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: hbelkins on December 25, 2017, 07:20:01 PM
sdmichael was the guy who was gung-ho in favor of lane splitting. If he's gone, no great loss.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: J N Winkler on December 25, 2017, 08:00:49 PM
Sdmichael is Michael Ballard, who has maintained a website dedicated to southern California highways since (at least) the late nineties.

We have had other users (Austrini comes to mind) whose posts have been retained although their accounts have been deleted, presumably at their request.  In Austrini's case, he is now back on the forum.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Alex on December 25, 2017, 08:14:08 PM
Mike asked me to delete his account and I granted his request.

During the forum reboot after V'ger departed, ComputerGuy was deleted along with RealLifeGuitarHero. CG came back several years later and is Bruce on the board today.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Marf on December 25, 2017, 08:19:26 PM
Oh, okay.  :colorful:
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Scott5114 on December 26, 2017, 08:08:26 AM
For those who care, the mechanism by which this happens is that when an account is deleted, all of the posts associated with it are kicked over to "Guest" posts (i.e. the posts' associated user ID number–mine is 33 for instance–is changed from that of the deleted account to 0) with the user's former name used as the "guest name". As we don't allow non-registered users to post, this is the only way that guest posts will appear.

Because there is really no functional change other than losing the ability to log in and create posts, we rarely delete user accounts. If you don't want to be a member here, we generally advise that you simply stop using the account. We cannot automatically delete every post made by a user, and wouldn't if we could, because it would make threads nonsensical (and that still wouldn't address posts being quoted by other users, etc.).
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: J N Winkler on December 26, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
If you are, e.g., running for political office or applying for a sensitive job and don't want your posts to be public where they are conveniently accessible to opposition researchers or background investigators, it is conceptually possible to write a wget wrapper script that logs in as you, goes to your profile, and goes through your posts one by one and effectively clicks Remove for each post.  This of course does nothing about snippets quoted by other people, however.

Requesting account deletion is really a way of cutting off your nose to spite your face since it removes options for managing your account, including deletion of your past posts.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Scott5114 on December 27, 2017, 03:05:30 PM
Quote from: J N Winkler on December 26, 2017, 12:55:11 PM
If you are, e.g., running for political office or applying for a sensitive job and don't want your posts to be public where they are conveniently accessible to opposition researchers or background investigators, it is conceptually possible to write a wget wrapper script that logs in as you, goes to your profile, and goes through your posts one by one and effectively clicks Remove for each post.  This of course does nothing about snippets quoted by other people, however.

Requesting account deletion is really a way of cutting off your nose to spite your face since it removes options for managing your account, including deletion of your past posts.

This is such an edge case that the chances of it coming up are incredibly rare, which is fortunate. I would think that as a policy we would be opposed to usage of such a script–again because once you post something and it is responded to, removal of what you posted destroys the coherency of the thread. Depending on the exact construction of the script, it could also cause server-load issues.

A better approach would be a manual audit of one's posts to delete the percentage of them that could look bad while leaving the benign ones alone. It's more work, but if you're running for office it will not be the last time you have to put in some hours toward good optics. (I would argue that the typical posting history here would help to bolster a potential candidate's infrastructure cred if it were found...although maybe it would be a good idea to avoid being associated with Alanland.)

If there were a true need to mass-delete posts, it could be done with a fairly simple SQL query (something like 'drop all from table POSTS where USER_ID = 336' or so). But we tend to not mess around with the database directly due to the risk of unforeseen consequences, and the above-mentioned thread integrity issues.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: J N Winkler on December 27, 2017, 04:00:15 PM
I stress that auto-deleting my own posts is not something I would, personally, consider doing.  I try to live by an old Russian proverb--"Man is master of the word left unspoken; once it is spoken, it is the master of man"--and in general maintain a civil and facultative online persona.  Moreover, such a brutal approach would leave traces (e.g., quotes from the deleted posts) that would in turn drive opposition researchers to try to retrieve the original posts through Google caches and the like.

However, I can easily see the self-deletion issue coming up in the future given that our posters have a higher degree of political engagement and a firmer grasp of policy detail (at least in the transportation field) than the general population at large.  We live in an age where political careers have come to an end as a result of mismanagement of digital lives (Hillary Clinton's email server; Anthony Weiner's sexting; one of Trump's nominees for a federal judgeship appearing to endorse the Confederacy in a blog post), and this incentivizes aggressive approaches to reputation management even when they are ham-fisted and self-defeating in the long term.

The existence of digital records in itself makes youthful mistakes easier to excavate and as a society we still haven't come to a consensus on when, or under what circumstances, these should be allowed to lapse into obscurity, whether this is through the digital records ceasing to exist, being hidden, or being left in public view with the understanding that they are not to be counted against the person they would otherwise show in a bad light.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: kkt on December 27, 2017, 04:08:44 PM
If you're running for office, don't post under your real name and make sure you don't identify yourself in specific ways.  Or just don't say things you'll regret later.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on December 27, 2017, 05:31:19 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 25, 2017, 07:20:01 PM
sdmichael was the guy who was gung-ho in favor of lane splitting. If he's gone, no great loss.

I remember him more for being the guy who suggested a short-notice Southern California road meet and then immediately got irrationally enraged by the suggestions we offered to try to help him plan his meet. We literally said nothing more than "it might be a good idea to plan more notice, though it's your meet so you can do it how you want" to which he went ballistic and "killed" the idea.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: oscar on December 27, 2017, 06:01:35 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on December 27, 2017, 05:31:19 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 25, 2017, 07:20:01 PM
sdmichael was the guy who was gung-ho in favor of lane splitting. If he's gone, no great loss.

I remember him more for being the guy who suggested a short-notice Southern California road meet and then immediately got irrationally enraged by the suggestions we offered to try to help him plan his meet. We literally said nothing more than "it might be a good idea to plan more notice, though it's your meet so you can do it how you want" to which he went ballistic and "killed" the idea.

As I recall, it was more than that, including some of us East Coasters indicating interest and sometimes being East Coast-style pushy about more advance notice. It seemed at that point that his proposed meet was turning into more of a production than he envisioned, and he perhaps wasn't getting any nibbles from others in SoCal for the more casual, local get-together he envisioned, so he threw up his hands and said "forget it".

He is better known for his expertise on old US 99 in southern California, and the guided tours he gave to some of us (one of which seems to have turned into a mini-meet) of the old highway through the mountains north of Los Angeles.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: J N Winkler on December 27, 2017, 09:29:25 PM
I remember about fifteen years ago he got into it with Ralph Herman in either MTR or one of the California driving newsgroups about the continued serviceability of porcelain enamel-on-steel overhead guide signs.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Roadgeekteen on December 30, 2017, 04:49:34 PM
I remember him for being a part of a notable forum drama a few years ago.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: MNHighwayMan on December 30, 2017, 05:04:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on December 30, 2017, 04:49:34 PM
I remember him for being a part of a notable forum drama a few years ago.

Ah, irony.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: slorydn1 on January 01, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
I am actually surprised that we can edit or delete our posts, in some cases years later. Every other forum I have been involved in on a long term basis only allowed a regular user 15-30 minutes to edit their post themselves and they never could really delete it (post #123 would still be there, it would just be blank after the user deleted the words). Only a staff member could delete a post outright, or edit it after time has expired.

We had a case here recently where a member deleted his OP in 80 something threads making all of them (well except for the ones where a responding member quoted the OP) confusing or hard to follow.

I really wouldn't mind losing the right to amend or delete my posts after a certain time period, I don't ever post anything that I think may cause me problems down the road.



Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: webny99 on January 01, 2018, 01:02:22 PM
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 01, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
We had a case here recently where a member deleted his OP in 80 something threads making all of them (well except for the ones where a responding member quoted the OP) confusing or hard to follow.

I'm in the process of fixing them, but it won't happen overnight.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 01, 2018, 10:45:03 AM
I am actually surprised that we can edit or delete our posts, in some cases years later. Every other forum I have been involved in on a long term basis only allowed a regular user 15-30 minutes to edit their post themselves and they never could really delete it (post #123 would still be there, it would just be blank after the user deleted the words). Only a staff member could delete a post outright, or edit it after time has expired.

We had a case here recently where a member deleted his OP in 80 something threads making all of them (well except for the ones where a responding member quoted the OP) confusing or hard to follow.

I really wouldn't mind losing the right to amend or delete my posts after a certain time period, I don't ever post anything that I think may cause me problems down the road.
I think that editing should stay. Sometimes I make dumb spelling errors and I don't want to embarrasses myself.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: kphoger on January 01, 2018, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
I think that editing should stay. Sometimes I make dumb spelling errors and I don't want to embarrasses myself.

I see what you did there.

But yes, I too frequently don't catch a formatting or grammatical error until I've already hit [Post].  Sometimes I've already previewed the post a couple of times and still miss something, having to edit it later.  But that should be immediately obvious.  I don't think I've ever edited a post more than a few hours after posting it (unless I'm forgetting something).  Maybe a 24h rule would be good.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2018, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 01, 2018, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
I think that editing should stay. Sometimes I make dumb spelling errors and I don't want to embarrasses myself.

I see what you did there.

But yes, I too frequently don't catch a formatting or grammatical error until I've already hit [Post].  Sometimes I've already previewed the post a couple of times and still miss something, having to edit it later.  But that should be immediately obvious.  I don't think I've ever edited a post more than a few hours after posting it (unless I'm forgetting something).  Maybe a 24h rule would be good.
Wait, did I misspell a world? I think I know which one but there was no red line.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: hotdogPi on January 01, 2018, 04:57:25 PM
I am opposed to a limit on editing posts. Sometimes the initial post has to be edited, such as for some of the game threads.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: J N Winkler on January 01, 2018, 05:02:14 PM
I don't think a limited editing window is something we need to implement.  I would hate for us to do it simply because it gets talked about and managers get the idea it "should" be done without it necessarily being broadly supported.

I can think of a few instances where I have gone back and edited a post after a long time interval, usually to add significant new information or remove incorrect information that I feel is particularly misleading.  I nearly always do this with an "Edit:" flag to avoid giving the impression I am engaging in a cover-up.

It is also fairly common for people to start a thread in full expectation of editing the OP multiple times, e.g. to create an easy-to-find compilation of information submitted by other members downthread.  I can easily see myself doing this to create a master list of hill descent map signs, for example.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: kphoger on January 01, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2018, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 01, 2018, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
Sometimes I make dumb spelling errors and I don't want to embarrasses myself.
I see what you did there.
Wait, did I misspell a world?

(http://static.skaip.org/img/emoticons/180x180/f6fcff/facepalm.gif)
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: kphoger on January 01, 2018, 05:12:42 PM
Quote from: 1 on January 01, 2018, 04:57:25 PM
Sometimes the initial post has to be edited, such as for some of the game threads.

Quote from: J N Winkler on January 01, 2018, 05:02:14 PM
I can think of a few instances where I have gone back and edited a post after a long time interval, usually to add significant new information or remove incorrect information that I feel is particularly misleading.

It is also fairly common for people to start a thread in full expectation of editing the OP multiple times, e.g. to create an easy-to-find compilation of information submitted by other members downthread.

Geez, I didn't even think of that.  Totally.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: kkt on January 01, 2018, 05:38:07 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 01, 2018, 05:11:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2018, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 01, 2018, 04:53:36 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2018, 04:45:15 PM
Sometimes I make dumb spelling errors and I don't want to embarrasses myself.
I see what you did there.
Wait, did I misspell a world?

(http://static.skaip.org/img/emoticons/180x180/f6fcff/facepalm.gif)

I think he was kidding.  I hope he was kidding.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Scott5114 on January 02, 2018, 05:52:48 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2018, 04:55:30 PM
Wait, did I misspell a world?

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Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 02, 2018, 11:01:11 AM
I think that the ability to edit posts, even much later on, should remain with no restrictions, because it would just cause too many problems. Most of the time, when the OP of a thread is being edited, it is not being semi-deleted - it is usually being updated to correct false information or add new information, or something else. This sporadic incident of the user making all of his thread-starting-posts "unavailable" is obviously not common. This should not take away anybody's important right to edit their post with no restrictions. I don't see something like that happening again, at least not very soon, but that's just me. Original posts of game theads, as people have said, would be especially hit hard by a theoretical new restriction on post editing. However, when it comes to being unable to modify posts in locked threads at any point in time, stuff like that is obviously reasonable - I am just referring to a general time restriction on editing posts anywhere. Also, people who are like me tend to be very obsessive in editing their post many times, sometimes even way later on, in order to make my words more accurately match my thoughts, and to correct false information and such.


Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2018, 05:52:48 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2018, 04:55:30 PM
Wait, did I misspell a world?

(https://i.imgur.com/8RzCW0i.png)

:rofl:  :rofl:  :-D  :clap:


Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: oscar on January 02, 2018, 11:23:06 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 01, 2018, 05:02:14 PM
I don't think a limited editing window is something we need to implement.  I would hate for us to do it simply because it gets talked about and managers get the idea it "should" be done without it necessarily being broadly supported.

Agreed. One reason for editing really old posts is to add to your lists of ferries clinched,  national parks visited, airports visited, etc. every time you add something in those categories. That keeps the original list up-to-date, without making a big deal (by creating a new post) of each update.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 02, 2018, 11:40:58 AM
I've sometimes haven't noticed an error until I've been quoted (usually bad grammar or a typo, although sometimes my hands decided to type something completely different from what my brain was thinking).   I'll go back to re-edit the original post, but try to take care in mentioning it at some point since the quoted text will then differ from my original statement.

As far as running for office goes, I'm royally fucked if I were to ever attempt that.  And I simply don't have the money to pay off those that know those skeletons that I hide in my closet as well.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 02, 2018, 11:49:15 AM
Also, if you post photos on here, and in the case of a potential crappy photo-hosting sight that makes photos no longer available much later on (Flickr is my personal recommendation for what to use), one may need to edit their post to make the photo appear once again. There could also be other reasons to edit a post regarding updating or adding photos, or something else.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: slorydn1 on January 02, 2018, 11:51:50 AM
I seemed to have stirred up some controversy, which was not my intent. I am not necessarily advocating that we be limited, I was only expressing my surprise that we are that free to do so because of my experience at many different forums.

I do realize that this forum is somewhat different because the posts are needed to be modified (game rules, added pictures, list keeping and the like).

I guess what I was saying is that if admin decides to go down that road I wouldn't oppose it, but I am not stumping to get restricted.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2018, 04:25:03 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2018, 05:52:48 AM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 01, 2018, 04:55:30 PM
Wait, did I misspell a world?

(https://i.imgur.com/8RzCW0i.png)
Good god I suck.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: kphoger on January 02, 2018, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2018, 04:25:03 PM
Good God, I suck.

FTFY.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2018, 04:31:14 PM
Might as well lock this thread now, it is not close to on topic.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: kkt on January 02, 2018, 04:34:52 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 02, 2018, 04:29:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2018, 04:25:03 PM
Good God, I suck.

FTFY.  :biggrin:

!
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: kphoger on January 02, 2018, 04:35:19 PM
Well, you must admit, there wasn't much of a topic to begin with.  How on earth did this make it to two pages?
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2018, 04:38:16 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 02, 2018, 04:35:19 PM
Well, you must admit, there wasn't much of a topic to begin with.  How on earth did this make it to two pages?
Question was answered, then we descended into silliness.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: kphoger on January 02, 2018, 04:43:57 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on January 02, 2018, 04:38:16 PM
Question was answered, then we descended into silliness.

Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: adventurernumber1 on January 02, 2018, 06:16:21 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 02, 2018, 04:35:19 PM
Well, you must admit, there wasn't much of a topic to begin with.  How on earth did this make it to two pages?

True. For people like me who have for the most part been knowledgeable of the history of forum drama (mainly contained in locked threads), I already knew who sdmichael was. While maybe not the best idea to start a public thread about a person involved in controversy in the past, I guess I have to give the OP credit if he has never looked in much of the locked threads in the forum's past.  :biggrin:
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: michaelfballard on November 24, 2020, 03:06:20 AM
I left the forum as I grew tired of the near constant drama. I grew tired of the BS, having dealt with it since the 1990's. Some seemed to wish that I was even dead, as evidenced in this thread. I have since returned only to promote and respond to things regarding Historic US 99, something near and dear to me. I have had a website on the Internet since 1995, far longer than most sites on the Internet and one of the few that has remained consistent. I've dealt with attacks from Facebook where people not only actively stole from my site, but then were upset when I called them out on it, despite the fact I don't even have a Facebook account. I've had people call me names, but not actually taken the time to know me or know whatever was the reason they decided to so such. Some on this forum have even gone so far as to completely disregard my years of research and work, only to wonder why I might take issue with that when it came to a topic near and dear to me, particularly the Ridge Route. Yes, this is an "old" topic, but one I thought I'd address. I am a person and have done a great deal of things for the roads. I'm not just some person posting on a forum or just putting up a website with photos. I'm out there doing highway cleanups, working with agencies to get roads preserved and maintained, creating real organizations to further those goals, and much more. Even locally, I have been able to affect positive change in my community and have posted on my website how others can do the same.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Roadgeekteen on November 24, 2020, 08:07:43 AM
Quote from: michaelfballard on November 24, 2020, 03:06:20 AM
I left the forum as I grew tired of the near constant drama. I grew tired of the BS, having dealt with it since the 1990's. Some seemed to wish that I was even dead, as evidenced in this thread. I have since returned only to promote and respond to things regarding Historic US 99, something near and dear to me. I have had a website on the Internet since 1995, far longer than most sites on the Internet and one of the few that has remained consistent. I've dealt with attacks from Facebook where people not only actively stole from my site, but then were upset when I called them out on it, despite the fact I don't even have a Facebook account. I've had people call me names, but not actually taken the time to know me or know whatever was the reason they decided to so such. Some on this forum have even gone so far as to completely disregard my years of research and work, only to wonder why I might take issue with that when it came to a topic near and dear to me, particularly the Ridge Route. Yes, this is an "old" topic, but one I thought I'd address. I am a person and have done a great deal of things for the roads. I'm not just some person posting on a forum or just putting up a website with photos. I'm out there doing highway cleanups, working with agencies to get roads preserved and maintained, creating real organizations to further those goals, and much more. Even locally, I have been able to affect positive change in my community and have posted on my website how others can do the same.
Sorry that this has happened to you.
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: hbelkins on November 24, 2020, 01:58:07 PM
The irony of a Marf thread rising from the dead!

For the record, I still think lane-splitting is reckless and dangerous  :-D

If I'm not mistaken, and I very well may be, some of the Facebook drama referred to above happened in the "Freewayjim" group, which is probably the biggest roads group on Facebook. It's operated by Jim Georges, who participated on MTR but still hasn't made his way to this forum. He's pretty insistent on posting good quality photos, giving credit for photos not taken by the poster, and so on. There were some issues in that group, and I believe a couple of others, about photos being shared without credit being given, and they may have been from this individual poster.

Ridge Route, eh? Are we going to see some battles with Max Rockatansky that rival Beltway vs. Sprjus4?  :bigass:
Title: Re: Who on earth is "sdmichael"
Post by: Roadgeekteen on November 24, 2020, 02:06:38 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 24, 2020, 01:58:07 PM
The irony of a Marf thread rising from the dead!

For the record, I still think lane-splitting is reckless and dangerous  :-D

If I'm not mistaken, and I very well may be, some of the Facebook drama referred to above happened in the "Freewayjim" group, which is probably the biggest roads group on Facebook. It's operated by Jim Georges, who participated on MTR but still hasn't made his way to this forum. He's pretty insistent on posting good quality photos, giving credit for photos not taken by the poster, and so on. There were some issues in that group, and I believe a couple of others, about photos being shared without credit being given, and they may have been from this individual poster.

Ridge Route, eh? Are we going to see some battles with Max Rockatansky that rival Beltway vs. Sprjus4?  :bigass:
I think it's time to move on from the lane-splitting.