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Title: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 03:42:47 PM
Commentators love "unanswered points" even if they don't understand what they are. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SectorZ on January 01, 2020, 04:08:50 PM
For football, play-by-play guys that call an end-around a "reverse" and a reverse a "double reverse".

For baseball, the cumulative effect of players acting like human rain delays and causing the games the grind to a halt in terms of the overall pace, like pitchers taking 30 seconds to throw a pitch for no legitimate reason.

For any sports, referring to anyone doing something "heroic". Unless LeBron James runs into the stands and saves a choking child, nothing they do is even remotely heroic.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 01, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
The point that evaporates in the event of a tie in association football. A win means 3 points for the victorious team, but a tie means 1 point for each side.

The word "football". But that is more of a language issue.

FC Barcelona.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 04:34:42 PM
The phrase "there is a lot to unpack"  used by almost every commentator these days. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 01, 2020, 05:08:33 PM
I've always detested the phrase "stole a game (from)" to refer to an on-the-road victory, instead of owning up to a loss. You won/lost it fair and square.

Televised drafts and National Signing Day, which are hypothetical discussions about hypothetical situations.


Quote from: SectorZ on January 01, 2020, 04:08:50 PMFor any sports, referring to anyone doing something "heroic". Unless LeBron James runs into the stands and saves a choking child, nothing they do is even remotely heroic.

The word "heroic" is misused for lots of situations, even outside of sports. While in some stories, the hero returns with gifts, there's also many tales of self-sacrifice and death. The problem is that doesn't really lend itself to much of a Hollywood Ending. Maybe someone playing while injured, which can be seen as giving up personal (future) gain for the good of the team, is about all one could reasonably ask.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 01, 2020, 05:18:16 PM
The "Philly Special". 

The Eagles weren't the first team to use the trick play, but they certainly made it work during the biggest football game of the season.

However, that's not the part that annoys me.  What annoys me is when any trick play is now termed the Philly Special.  The Philly Special involved the ball being hiked to a non-qb (Quarterback for you non-sports people), then being tossed to the qb.  I've seen nearly any trick play where ultimately a non-qb throws the ball being termed a Philly Special, even though it doesn't have those elements of that pass.  Even more annoying is when fellow Eagles fans use the term, because it just shows how clueless some of them are. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on January 01, 2020, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on January 01, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
The point that evaporates in the event of a tie in association football. A win means 3 points for the victorious team, but a tie means 1 point for each side.
NHL Hockey has the opposite problem: A 3rd point that only appears in OT/Shootout games

A regulation contest, winner gets 2 points. OT/shootout contest, winner gets 2 points and loser gets 1 for tying in regulation

That said, since this is Sports edition, should probably be in the "Sports"  sub-board
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: wanderer2575 on January 01, 2020, 05:44:25 PM
Onfield/oncourt "interviews" by the sideline reporters.  You know, the three cliched useless questions (never more, never fewer) they ask a player or coach: 
"What did it mean to you to get that big score?" 
"What was going through your head during that play?" 
"Coach, what do you need to do to hold the lead in the second half?" 
"Coach, what will the team need to do to come from behind?"

And, yeah, I get it that the reporters aren't there because they want to be, and coaches/players aren't going to reveal anything actually insightful and informative.  It's still annoying.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 05:46:07 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 01, 2020, 05:37:44 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on January 01, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
The point that evaporates in the event of a tie in association football. A win means 3 points for the victorious team, but a tie means 1 point for each side.
NHL Hockey has the opposite problem: A 3rd point that only appears in OT/Shootout games

A regulation contest, winner gets 2 points. OT/shootout contest, winner gets 2 points and loser gets 1 for tying in regulation

That said, since this is Sports edition, should probably be in the "Sports"  sub-board

The NHL should have made a regulation win 3 point and an overtime/shootout win 2 points.  That way the 1 point for an overtime/shootout loss would create an extra point and punish teams for not winning in regulation.  Personally I thought the tie was a lot more legitimate of a regular season result than a shootout or watching short handed play in overtime. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on January 01, 2020, 05:58:57 PM
The new rules in football that are taking so much of they physical contact out of the game.

Basketball refs that will call a foul when a defender breathes on someone in the backcourt, but allows muggings under the basket. The rule is supposed to be something that affects the play; a hand-check doesn't, but hacking someone as they shoot certainly does.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 01, 2020, 05:59:35 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 01, 2020, 05:44:25 PM
Onfield/oncourt "interviews" by the sideline reporters.  You know, the three cliched useless questions (never more, never fewer) they ask a player or coach: 

"Coach, what will the team need to do to come from behind?"

And, yeah, I get it that the reporters aren't there because they want to be, and coaches/players aren't going to reveal anything actually insightful and informative.  It's still annoying.

"We have a secret play that involves using the 2nd-string backstop (L'Carpetron Dookmariott) as an alternate guard-snapper in a triple-trouble situation to prevent icing during the ensuing tip-off. Our man will attempt it around one minute and forty-seven seconds after the half, so I hope the other team is as prepared as we are. Then, we prepare to score more points than the other team while subsequently preventing them from also scoring points, because that's how you can lose sportball games. Also, we removed the A/C compressor from their bus and stole the toasters from their hotel."

But no, we get stuff like: "we have to come out stronger in the second half and blah blah blah".
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on January 01, 2020, 06:01:03 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 05:46:07 PM
The NHL should have made a regulation win 3 point and an overtime/shootout win 2 points.  That way the 1 point for an overtime/shootout loss would create an extra point and punish teams for not winning in regulation. 
Agreed. All games should be worth either 2 or 3 points. As long as OT/shootout games are worth 3 points, so should Regulation games be

Quote
Personally I thought the tie was a lot more legitimate of a regular season result than a shootout or watching short handed play in overtime.
The NHL Overtime gimmick is (only slightly) better than the ridiculous HS/College Football OT gimmick

"Lets decide a winner to an evenly played game, in a manner that in no way, shape, or form resembles the actual gameplay that tied thru Regulation!"  - NHL Hockey and HS/College Football
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Buck87 on January 01, 2020, 06:24:03 PM
Football coaches who suck at clock management

Announcers who suck at accurately describing clock management situations, and might say something like:
"And that first down will seal the game" ....when there's 1:48 left in the game and the team trailing by a score or less still has 2 timeouts left....and then they either seem surprised (or act like their mistake never happened) when the trailing team is set to receive a punt with 55 seconds on the clock and still has a chance at the end.


Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 06:42:08 PM
Coach Speak and all it's crappy cliches.  I'm half convinced Nick Saban and Bill Belichick are androids.  I was surprised that someone actually found a photo of Nick Saban smiling for his Wikipedia profile:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Saban#/media/File%3ANick_Saban_in_2009_(cropped).jpg

replace mobile link with desktop link --sso
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on January 01, 2020, 06:48:24 PM
Cowboy Joe West, calling Balls and Strikes, or even being a Base Umpire
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on January 01, 2020, 06:52:21 PM
Faking injuries.  Basketball players are the worse at this.  Football players can be the second worse.  At least in football they have to come out for 1 play, but sometimes the injury is so minor and the player probably would've come out of the series anyway that they don't even go get evaluated on the sideline.  Change this to the player has to come out for the series, or a set amount of time (12/15 minutes), and you'll see most of these fakes go away.

Baseball players, when they get injured, are usually injured.  The less serious injuries involves a few minutes of stoppage, but usually doesn't benefit either side. 

Hockey players, when injured, usually leave the game, are declared dead, get 170 stiches for massive loss of blood, receive an organ or limb transplant, and make it back to the bench to be on the ice for their next shift.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 06:58:50 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 01, 2020, 06:52:21 PM
Faking injuries.  Basketball players are the worse at this.  Football players can be the second worse.  At least in football they have to come out for 1 play, but sometimes the injury is so minor and the player probably would've come out of the series anyway that they don't even go get evaluated on the sideline.  Change this to the player has to come out for the series, or a set amount of time (12/15 minutes), and you'll see most of these fakes go away.

Baseball players, when they get injured, are usually injured.  The less serious injuries involves a few minutes of stoppage, but usually doesn't benefit either side. 

Hockey players, when injured, usually leave the game, are declared dead, get 170 stiches for massive loss of blood, receive an organ or limb transplant, and make it back to the bench to be on the ice for their next shift.

None of those compares to professional soccer.  I've seen some light contact between players look like someone got hit with buckshot at point blank range. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 07:00:56 PM
Inserting "The"  before the name of a school, city or team.  Doubly worse if a team tried to trademark the word "The."
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on January 01, 2020, 07:09:14 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 07:00:56 PM
Inserting "The"  before the name of a school, city or team.  Doubly worse if a team tried to trademark the word "The."
"Da"  is perfectly fine tho. Like "Da Bears"  or "Da Bulls"
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 07:19:05 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 01, 2020, 07:09:14 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 07:00:56 PM
Inserting "The"  before the name of a school, city or team.  Doubly worse if a team tried to trademark the word "The."
"Da"  is perfectly fine tho. Like "Da Bears"  or "Da Bulls"

That's more of an accent thing IMO.  I'm surprised the Warshington Redskins never got picked as a comedy routine. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Brandon on January 01, 2020, 07:22:42 PM
Walmart Wolverines.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Flint1979 on January 01, 2020, 07:26:13 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 01, 2020, 06:48:24 PM
Cowboy Joe West, calling Balls and Strikes, or even being a Base Umpire
I agree. Add Angel Hernandez.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Flint1979 on January 01, 2020, 07:29:50 PM
George Blaha incorrectly announcing the time left in a quarter. Instead of saying 8:38 to go the right way he says, 8 and 38 to go.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SSOWorld on January 01, 2020, 07:33:14 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 01, 2020, 07:09:14 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 07:00:56 PM
Inserting "The"  before the name of a school, city or team.  Doubly worse if a team tried to trademark the word "The."
"Da"  is perfectly fine tho. Like "Da Bears"  or "Da Bulls"
If you call them the "nickname" - what's wrong?  (The bears, the buckeyes, the wolverines, etc.)

However if you call it "the Chicago Bears" that's wrong?  Yeah I can see "The DC United" as not phonetically correct, but so is "In this game Chicago Bears beat Minnesota Vikings.

Worst of all "THE Ohio State University" and how you pronounce "The".  Sunday Night Football has the players introducing themselves and what school they attended and many just add "THE" in front of the name as if they're proud of

Does anyone get annoyed by some of the commentators who have no fucking clue what they talk about.

Chris Collinsworth, now here's a guy who matches said issue.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on January 01, 2020, 07:34:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 04:34:42 PM
The phrase "there is a lot to unpack"  used by almost every commentator these days. 
The term "unpack" is used in many forums and discussion formats.

While it is 'minor', it is an annoying misuse of the language, using that instead of "analyze," "explain," etc.

You "unpack" something that is already "packed," like a suitcase, truck, etc.  You don't "unpack" something that has not been "packed."
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 07:50:54 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 01, 2020, 07:34:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 04:34:42 PM
The phrase "there is a lot to unpack"  used by almost every commentator these days. 
The term "unpack" is used in many forums and discussion formats.

While it is 'minor', it is an annoying misuse of the language, using that instead of "analyze," "explain," etc.

You "unpack" something that is already "packed," like a suitcase, truck, etc.  You don't "unpack" something that has not been "packed."

Granted the phrase has fallen into common usage, I just hear mostly from sports commentators who use it as the most recent "buzz phrase."    Really it highlights the issue that sports casting has devolved into a contest of "who can create the next big catch phrase"  rather reporting stories straight and to the point.  Interestingly the problem was way more pronounced in game broadcasts a decade or so ago but that has become (at least from what I've observed) straight laced. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on January 01, 2020, 07:56:37 PM
Soccer -  The whole derivative idiocy.  Taking names from Euro teams that have meaning in their home cities that have not application to the US cities that use them.

Football - Taking of the "Da" discussion about, the uses of "Dawgs" by Cleveland.  First, of course, the rarely seen mascot is some sort of pixey, not a dog.  But "Dawgs" as it relates to The University of Georgia, is a play on the stereotypical Southern accent.  Cleveland is not in the South and nobody there pronounces the word that way.

NBA - ESPN, et al 's coverage of this simplistic, street-thug version of basketball is all about what sort of "statement" is made by some under-educated over-tall man when he scores in a defense free strategy free street game.  The POINT of basketball is to score.  Doing so is not a "statement" it is doing one's job.  What sort of "statement" does an auto worker make when he attaches the bumper properly?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Buck87 on January 01, 2020, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 01, 2020, 07:56:37 PM
But "Dawgs" as it relates to The University of Georgia, is a play on the stereotypical Southern accent.  Cleveland is not in the South and nobody there pronounces the word that way.

The whole Dawg Pound thing, with that particular spelling, was started by Browns cornerbacks Hanford Dixon and Frank Minnifield in 1985. Dixon is from Alabama, Minnifield is from Kentucky.   
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: wanderer2575 on January 01, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Not limited to sports:  The pouncing on a specific instance in the name of political correctness while ignoring other similar situations.

Sports example:  The self-indulgent protests over the Washington Redskins' team name, while the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop are for the most part nowhere near the PC flavor of the day and therefore they're okay.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Brian556 on January 01, 2020, 08:40:20 PM
When NT's wonder what's wrong with you when you tell them you are not really interested in sports
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 01, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Not limited to sports:  The pouncing on a specific instance in the name of political correctness while ignoring other similar situations.

Sports example:  The self-indulgent protests over the Washington Redskins' team name, while the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop are for the most part nowhere near the PC flavor of the day and therefore they're okay.

Suffice to say that the term "Red Skin or Redskin"  has really aged poorly given it essentially racist slang for describing a Native American.  A team carrying the name of "Chiefs"  really isn't all that disrespect taken in that singular context.  It probably doesn't hurt the Chiefs that their logo is simply an arrow.  There was a wave of controversy for awhile on the college level but a lot of those teams were named after specific tribes.  If I recall correctly some schools like Florida State even got the blessing from the Seminole Tribe to use their name and likeness. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 08:57:08 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 01, 2020, 06:24:03 PM
Football coaches who suck at clock management

Announcers who suck at accurately describing clock management situations, and might say something like:
"And that first down will seal the game" ....when there's 1:48 left in the game and the team trailing by a score or less still has 2 timeouts left....and then they either seem surprised (or act like their mistake never happened) when the trailing team is set to receive a punt with 55 seconds on the clock and still has a chance at the end.




Yes, clock management, ONE JOB!

And "forced to punt".  I hate how often teams punt, coaches too worried about getting fired but then the announcers say "forced to punt".
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 08:58:03 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 01, 2020, 06:52:21 PM
Faking injuries.  Basketball players are the worse at this.  Football players can be the second worse.  At least in football they have to come out for 1 play, but sometimes the injury is so minor and the player probably would've come out of the series anyway that they don't even go get evaluated on the sideline.  Change this to the player has to come out for the series, or a set amount of time (12/15 minutes), and you'll see most of these fakes go away.

Baseball players, when they get injured, are usually injured.  The less serious injuries involves a few minutes of stoppage, but usually doesn't benefit either side. 

Hockey players, when injured, usually leave the game, are declared dead, get 170 stiches for massive loss of blood, receive an organ or limb transplant, and make it back to the bench to be on the ice for their next shift.

Uh, soccer players????  you touch them they act like they've been hit by car.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 08:59:23 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 01, 2020, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 01, 2020, 07:56:37 PM
But "Dawgs" as it relates to The University of Georgia, is a play on the stereotypical Southern accent.  Cleveland is not in the South and nobody there pronounces the word that way.

The whole Dawg Pound thing, with that particular spelling, was started by Browns cornerbacks Hanford Dixon and Frank Minnifield in 1985. Dixon is from Alabama, Minnifield is from Kentucky.   

Everything having to do with the Browns.  There is no gap, the old team moved away and is actually winning.  And then they think they had a super bowl team this year. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on January 01, 2020, 09:08:20 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 01, 2020, 07:29:50 PM
George Blaha incorrectly announcing the time left in a quarter. Instead of saying 8:38 to go the right way he says, 8 and 38 to go.

For years, NCAA Tournament commentator Len Elmore insisted on referring to how many "times out" a team had remaining. Drove me nuts. My sixth-grade teacher was the only other person I ever heard claim it should be "times out" instead of "timeouts."
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Buck87 on January 01, 2020, 09:16:59 PM
^ on that note, how about people who will say "he had 3 RBI tonight" instead of "he had 3 RBI's tonight"
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 09:19:00 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 01, 2020, 09:16:59 PM
^ on that note, how about people who will say "he had 3 RBI tonight" instead of "he had 3 RBI's tonight"

like 2 pair of glasses or daylight saving time.  It just sounds stupid.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on January 01, 2020, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 01, 2020, 09:16:59 PM
^ on that note, how about people who will say "he had 3 RBI tonight" instead of "he had 3 RBI's tonight"

A run batted in (RBI), plural runs batted in (RBI or RBIs), is a statistic in baseball and softball that credits a batter for making a play that allows a run to be scored (except in certain situations such as when an error is made on the play).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_batted_in
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on January 01, 2020, 09:22:23 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 01, 2020, 09:20:35 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 01, 2020, 09:16:59 PM
^ on that note, how about people who will say "he had 3 RBI tonight" instead of "he had 3 RBI's tonight"

A run batted in (RBI), plural runs batted in (RBI or RBIs), is a statistic in baseball and softball that credits a batter for making a play that allows a run to be scored (except in certain situations such as when an error is made on the play).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Run_batted_in
RsBI
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 09:28:34 PM
Jag-WIRES  ugh.  Punting on 4th and 1 (or even 4th & 2).  Icing the kicker.  "walk offs". 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kurumi on January 01, 2020, 09:37:41 PM
Greg Papa's touchdown call for the 49ers:

https://twitter.com/knbr/status/1171144217642426368

"Touchdown.... San!      Fran!      Ciscoooooo!"

I like the 9ers and don't like that call. Imagine a Seahawks or Rams fan hearing it on a highlight.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 09:28:34 PM
Jag-WIRES  ugh.  Punting on 4th and 1 (or even 4th & 2).  Icing the kicker.  "walk offs".

As opposed to how it's often pronounced like the British car marque?  "Jag-u-ar"
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 09:28:34 PM
Jag-WIRES  ugh.  Punting on 4th and 1 (or even 4th & 2).  Icing the kicker.  "walk offs".

As opposed to how it's often pronounced like the British car marque?  "Jag-u-ar"

Jag-war.    The Jag-wire people are the worst: Jim Nancy, Ronn Culver (whose show I listen to until about 3 third time he says Jagwire and I have to change the channel)

In fact they should just change the name of the team.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 09:45:32 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 09:40:29 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 09:28:34 PM
Jag-WIRES  ugh.  Punting on 4th and 1 (or even 4th & 2).  Icing the kicker.  "walk offs".

As opposed to how it's often pronounced like the British car marque?  "Jag-u-ar"

Jag-war.    The Jag-wire people are the worst: Jim Nancy, Ronn Culver (whose show I listen to until about 3 third time he says Jagwire and I have to change the channel)

In fact they should just change the name of the team.

Jag-wire is kind of akin to what I was getting at with "Warshington"  above.  I don't understand how either word can be mispronounced but it definitely is by a lot of regional dialects. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on January 01, 2020, 09:49:57 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 09:28:34 PM
Jag-WIRES  ugh.  Punting on 4th and 1 (or even 4th & 2).  Icing the kicker.  "walk offs".
As opposed to how it's often pronounced like the British car marque?  "Jag-u-ar"

Aluminum -- al-u-min-e-um
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 09:51:34 PM
Quote from: kurumi on January 01, 2020, 09:37:41 PM
Greg Papa's touchdown call for the 49ers:

https://twitter.com/knbr/status/1171144217642426368

"Touchdown.... San!      Fran!      Ciscoooooo!"

I like the 9ers and don't like that call. Imagine a Seahawks or Rams fan hearing it on a highlight.

Annoying Seahawk fans is fun.  They get this reputation about loyalty but they bail faster than any fans to get to the exits.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Buck87 on January 01, 2020, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 01, 2020, 09:49:57 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 09:38:01 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 09:28:34 PM
Jag-WIRES  ugh.  Punting on 4th and 1 (or even 4th & 2).  Icing the kicker.  "walk offs".
As opposed to how it's often pronounced like the British car marque?  "Jag-u-ar"

Aluminum -- al-u-min-e-um

That one's actually a spelling difference between American and British English

the Brits spell it Aluminium
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 10:04:54 PM
I honestly wish announcers could be homers.  I think radio broadcasts are a little bit more like that.  If I'm watching the Cowboys play and I'm in Texas why can't we got local announcers. 

And on that topic, TV announcers don't need to talk as much as radio announcers, we can see the plays. 

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: wanderer2575 on January 01, 2020, 10:22:24 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 01, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Not limited to sports:  The pouncing on a specific instance in the name of political correctness while ignoring other similar situations.

Sports example:  The self-indulgent protests over the Washington Redskins' team name, while the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop are for the most part nowhere near the PC flavor of the day and therefore they're okay.

Suffice to say that the term "Red Skin or Redskin"  has really aged poorly given it essentially racist slang for describing a Native American.  A team carrying the name of "Chiefs"  really isn't all that disrespect taken in that singular context.  It probably doesn't hurt the Chiefs that their logo is simply an arrow.  There was a wave of controversy for awhile on the college level but a lot of those teams were named after specific tribes.  If I recall correctly some schools like Florida State even got the blessing from the Seminole Tribe to use their name and likeness.

As did the Central Michigan University Chippewas, although a few decades ago the school dropped all Indian-themed logos and the Marching Chippewas dropped the war chant from its repertoire of music vignettes it plays in the stands.  Doesn't change my point about convenient selectivity.  The Chiefs name and an arrow logo are clearly Indian-themed and a stereotype, certainly as is the Tomahawk Chop, but most people pitching a fit are too focused on the Redskins.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on January 01, 2020, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 01, 2020, 09:53:10 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 01, 2020, 09:49:57 PM
Aluminum -- al-u-min-e-um
That one's actually a spelling difference between American and British English
the Brits spell it Aluminium

Like with color and colour?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: US 89 on January 02, 2020, 12:36:06 AM
I hate the word "physicality". It does not belong in a sports commentator's vocabulary.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on January 02, 2020, 12:47:32 AM
"Student-Athlete"  has no place in Major College Sports, where Schools, Coaches, Sponsors, and TV Networks are making Millions (Billions in aggregate) of Dollars on the backs of "Student-Athletes"

Call them what they are, like "Athletes"  or "Players"  or *gasp* "Professionals"
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: GaryV on January 02, 2020, 08:18:44 AM
And if college players "choose to sit out" a bowl game, perhaps they should choose to give back some of their scholarship.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: roadman on January 02, 2020, 09:04:34 AM
The whole concept of "pass interference".  Isn't it the job of the defense to prevent the other team from completing passes?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 02, 2020, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2020, 09:04:34 AM
The whole concept of "pass interference".  Isn't it the job of the defense to prevent the other team from completing passes?

What do you propose they call it instead of "pass interference"?

While we're at it, professional players that beg for a flag grate my carrot.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: roadman on January 02, 2020, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 02, 2020, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2020, 09:04:34 AM
The whole concept of "pass interference".  Isn't it the job of the defense to prevent the other team from completing passes?

What do you propose they call it instead of "pass interference"?


How about "The defender doing their job".   B4ecause that's what it is.  Now, I can see throwing a flag if a defender body slams the receiver to prevent a catch - that's covered under unnecessary roughness.  But calling a penalty when a defender knocks the ball away as the receiver is about to catch it is ludicrous.  Time to let the players play the game.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on January 02, 2020, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 01, 2020, 06:48:24 PM
Cowboy Joe West, calling Balls and Strikes, or even being a Base Umpire

Wow. I quit MLB after the 1994 strike, and had pretty much quit listening to the Reds on the radio a year or so prior (when I started dating my now-wife and didn't have as much time to listen to the games as I did as a bachelor), but even prior to that, Marty Brennaman never had a kind word to say about the ump he called "Country Joe." In fact, I distinctly remember Brennaman saying, "He's a bad umpire," once upon a time.

So he's still as bad as he ever was?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on January 02, 2020, 11:34:10 AM
This is about sportscasting at halftime .
The XYZ halftime report, brought to you by XYZ.
2 problems are it adds to the ways for more ads. And it adds to the department of redundacy department.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on January 02, 2020, 12:54:33 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 03:42:47 PM
Commentators love "unanswered points" even if they don't understand what they are.

Just out of curiousity, how would you describe unanswered points?

I would say, scoring on a drive/possession/whatever is what you're supposed to do, and doing so is part of the back-and-forth nature of sports. If you score points, then the opposing team has an opportunity to score points and fails, and then you score more, then those points are unanswered. But, the act of putting points on the board does not automatically make those points "unanswered", unless the opponent fails on their ensuing possession.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: roadman on January 02, 2020, 03:03:56 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 02, 2020, 11:34:10 AM
This is about sportscasting at halftime .
The XYZ halftime report, brought to you by XYZ.
2 problems are it adds to the ways for more ads. And it adds to the department of redundacy department.

Also the post game press conference where the wall behind the coach is plastered with sponsor logos.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SectorZ on January 02, 2020, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 01, 2020, 06:52:21 PM
Hockey players, when injured, usually leave the game, are declared dead, get 170 stiches for massive loss of blood, receive an organ or limb transplant, and make it back to the bench to be on the ice for their next shift.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h15m87WsCHQ

For the ultimate in the injured hockey player realm, Gregory Campbell took a slapshot in the leg which broke it, and he stayed out there for a power play shift with the broken leg.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 02, 2020, 07:28:23 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 02, 2020, 12:54:33 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 01, 2020, 03:42:47 PM
Commentators love "unanswered points" even if they don't understand what they are.

Just out of curiousity, how would you describe unanswered points?

I would say, scoring on a drive/possession/whatever is what you're supposed to do, and doing so is part of the back-and-forth nature of sports. If you score points, then the opposing team has an opportunity to score points and fails, and then you score more, then those points are unanswered. But, the act of putting points on the board does not automatically make those points "unanswered", unless the opponent fails on their ensuing possession.

Florida scores 20.  Then Georgia scores 21 and it's 21-20 then they are "unanswered". When Florida scores again those are no longer unanswered points because they were answered.  The correct term is consecutive but that is not the vernacular they choose to use. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 02, 2020, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2020, 09:04:34 AM
The whole concept of "pass interference".  Isn't it the job of the defense to prevent the other team from completing passes?

Especially offensive pass interference.  It's not the QBs job to throw to the defense. 

Also annoying are those people who consistently think they don't call enough penalties.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on January 02, 2020, 08:07:52 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 02, 2020, 07:29:26 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2020, 09:04:34 AM
The whole concept of "pass interference".  Isn't it the job of the defense to prevent the other team from completing passes?
Especially offensive pass interference.  It's not the QBs job to throw to the defense. 
Each player is supposed to be able to have the opportunity to catch the ball, whether offensive pass receiver or defensive back.

That means trying to catch the ball, without physical pushing, shoving, restraining, blocking, tackling, etc., before the ball reaches those players.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 02, 2020, 08:30:47 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 02, 2020, 07:29:26 PM
Especially offensive pass interference.  It's not the QBs job to throw to the defense. 

According to the NFL rules: "When the ball is in the air, eligible offensive and defensive receivers have the same right to the path of the ball and are subject to the same restrictions."

This seems perfectly reasonable to me.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on January 02, 2020, 10:04:19 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 02, 2020, 11:12:27 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 01, 2020, 06:48:24 PM
Cowboy Joe West, calling Balls and Strikes, or even being a Base Umpire

Wow. I quit MLB after the 1994 strike, and had pretty much quit listening to the Reds on the radio a year or so prior (when I started dating my now-wife and didn't have as much time to listen to the games as I did as a bachelor), but even prior to that, Marty Brennaman never had a kind word to say about the ump he called "Country Joe." In fact, I distinctly remember Brennaman saying, "He's a bad umpire," once upon a time.

So he's still as bad as he ever was?
I am much more a Cubs than Sox fan...As a Cubbie fan, Pat & Ron (Santo) gave Cowboy Joe crap for being bad...but Ken "The Hawk"  Harrelson would famously rant about the badness of Joe West when Joe was doing a Sox game.

I did a quick youtube search, found a gem from a 2010 Mark Buerhle pitched game where Joe called a Bogus Balk from 1st Base. Hawk Harrelson is not being nice from the TV Booth

https://youtu.be/c2Nvy3SFs7M
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 02, 2020, 11:40:59 PM
Since you mentioned the Cubs, any single person who did anything to ruin Steve Bartman's life
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 12:10:08 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 02, 2020, 11:40:59 PM
Since you mentioned the Cubs, any single person who did anything to ruin Steve Bartman's life

Most of the Cubs fan base is throughly unlikeable to begin with, their reaction to Steve Bartman is no surprise. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 12:25:58 AM
Quote from: Big John on January 02, 2020, 11:34:10 AM
This is about sportscasting at halftime .
The XYZ halftime report, brought to you by XYZ.
2 problems are it adds to the ways for more ads. And it adds to the department of redundacy department.
Then there's the in-game commentator shamelessly plugging it
Next up the XYZ halftime report with X, Y, Z, A and B (panelists) with all the scores and highlights from...
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on January 03, 2020, 12:39:08 AM
This thread popped up way under my radar. Minor things that annoy me:
* "The" Ohio... you know how many state universities Ohio has?
* The Jets not ending up in Manhattan
* So now LA gets two football teams and San Diego and St. Louis get none?
* Fair catching a kickoff outside the end zone (college) and getting it moved way up. No. You catch it there, it goes there.
* Gradual erosion of onside kicking. If you have to declare it, it's not going to work.
* The new PAT location. Can't disguise a 2 point attempt.
* Offsides rule in soccer applying to someone's forehead being 2 microns beyond the other person's toe.
* The inability of NFL review to overturn blatant pass interference
* The acceptance of double dribbles in the NBA if it leads to a cool dunk
* The NBA
* Power 5 schools who schedule FCS opponents, and the fact that those games count
* People who call all Yankees fans bandwagoners or "of course you win when you spend all that money," hypocritically forgetting how much money their own team spends or how many bandwagon fans they have for winning whatever (and substitute any other popular team for the Yankees here).
* Arbitrary rules about what can be on your shoes, hats, socks, etc. Shoe color.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on January 03, 2020, 01:07:04 AM
the MLS

Not grammatically correct, and few people would make the mistake of using "the MLB". Just shows disrespect for the 5th major league (which MLS is, like it or not).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: MNHighwayMan on January 03, 2020, 01:18:25 AM
Quote from: Alps on January 03, 2020, 12:39:08 AM
* Gradual erosion of onside kicking.

This is why I absolutely hate the changes made to NFL kickoffs in the last few years.

Quote* The inability of NFL review to overturn blatant pass interference

And this is why the rule was stupid in the first place. It was an overreaction to one blatant miscall.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:34:42 AM
If you don't want to have kickoffs anymore fine but just start at the 25.  Why do I have to watch the kick into the endzone and wait through yet another commercial.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on January 03, 2020, 01:44:50 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:34:42 AM
If you don't want to have kickoffs anymore fine but just start at the 25.  Why do I have to watch the kick into the endzone and wait through yet another commercial.
I find the proposal to give the Scoring team (TD/FG) or Scored Upon Team (Safety) an automatic 4th and somewhere around 15-25, on about their own 25-30 yard line quite fascinating, in lieu of a Kickoff/Free Kick

Most times, said team will Punt. If they really need the ball back, they'll go for the 1st Down on the 1 play. And statistically, supposedly anyway, the probabilities are higher to covert a 4th and 15 compared to a successful Onside Kick recovery. Fail, tho, and you give the other team exceptionally great Field Position
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 02:02:52 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 03, 2020, 01:44:50 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:34:42 AM
If you don't want to have kickoffs anymore fine but just start at the 25.  Why do I have to watch the kick into the endzone and wait through yet another commercial.
I find the proposal to give the Scoring team (TD/FG) or Scored Upon Team (Safety) an automatic 4th and somewhere around 15-25, on about their own 25-30 yard line quite fascinating, in lieu of a Kickoff/Free Kick

Most times, said team will Punt. If they really need the ball back, they'll go for the 1st Down on the 1 play. And statistically, supposedly anyway, the probabilities are higher to covert a 4th and 15 compared to a successful Onside Kick recovery. Fail, tho, and you give the other team exceptionally great Field Position

Agreed on the 4th & 10. 

I wish coaches used analytics.  If more coaches strategically tried to win and didn't worry about perception (punts can be blocked, go for 10 yards, be returned, etc, but coaches are just treated like that is bad luck) the game would be more fun to watch.  In a game where you need to have the ball to get points they give it away.

Punts should be counted in the turnover stats.  If you didn't score, it's a turnover.  The attitude toward punting drives me crazy.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2006/never-punting
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-you-should-never-punt-2013-11
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Verlanka on January 03, 2020, 05:44:40 AM
Quote from: Alps on January 03, 2020, 12:39:08 AM
* The Jets not ending up in Manhattan
They actually were in Manhattan in the early 1960s before moving to the Queens.

Quote from: Alps on January 03, 2020, 12:39:08 AM
* Power 5 schools who schedule FCS opponents, and the fact that those games count
On that note, FCS schools who schedule D-II and D-III opponents.

Quote from: Alps on January 03, 2020, 12:39:08 AM
* Arbitrary rules about what can be on your shoes, hats, socks, etc. Shoe color.
At least the NBA removed the restriction on what colored shoes a player can wear.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 06:42:34 AM
When did the catering to the military start in sports? I'm talking about presentation of colors, fight songs, flyovers, recognition of soldiers attending a game.  Now we get bombarded with commercials for Navy Federal Credit Union and USAA (Granted they will be useful to the sailor/solder that could use them.) in addition to the services recruiting.  Plus teams (NFL in particular) wearing colors (pink in the past, camouflage at times as well).

The fact that pro and amateur sports have different rulesets.  Classic cases in American Football are the onside kick rule (NFL, kicking team can false start as they must stand on line until ball is kicked where as college can still charge the line), NBA has the tip off after a tied ball, Amateur has the "possession arrow".

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Brandon on January 03, 2020, 07:28:31 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 06:42:34 AM
When did the catering to the military start in sports? I'm talking about presentation of colors, fight songs, flyovers, recognition of soldiers attending a game.  Now we get bombarded with commercials for Navy Federal Credit Union and USAA (Granted they will be useful to the sailor/solder that could use them.) in addition to the services recruiting.  Plus teams (NFL in particular) wearing colors (pink in the past, camouflage at times as well).

September 11, 2001.  We didn't have anywhere near this much until them.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 07:41:19 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 02:02:52 AM
Punts should be counted in the turnover stats.  If you didn't score, it's a turnover.  The attitude toward punting drives me crazy.
A punt is not a simple turnover.  It is designed to move the line of scrimmage 45+ yards down the field, and if the field of play is less than that, to down the ball within 5 to 10 yards of their goal line if possible.  The punt play itself provides a higher chance that the -receiving- team might mishandle the ball and turn it back over to the punting team.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 03, 2020, 07:56:12 AM
When I don't have control no. 41 in an orienteering course. However I'm the incumbent regional champion, and the course where I won the title didn't feature it.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: MNHighwayMan on January 03, 2020, 09:03:41 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:34:42 AM
If you don't want to have kickoffs anymore fine but just start at the 25.  Why do I have to watch the kick into the endzone and wait through yet another commercial.

To be clear, I want the old kickoff rules back. Kicking off from the 30, removing the rule about balls landing in the end zone being automatic touchbacks, and no stupid rules about needing all ten kicking team players being on the line of scrimmage/not being able to get a running start. This would make kick returns and onside kicks interesting again.

If players/coaches think the former rules are too dangerous, they can still play them as the rules are currently written. But legislating the fun out of kickoffs is stupid, and don't even get me started on that 4th and 15 punt nonsense.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on January 03, 2020, 09:14:19 AM
USAA and NFCU are private businesses unendorsed by and unaffiliated with the DoD.   

USAA is an "Texas insurance exchange"  which is a legal entity that only a lawyer or a CPA could differentiate from a mutual insurance company.  A mutual is just an insurance company where the insureds own the company, not stockholders.  It limits its customers to DoD related people, which is also not unusual in the insurance industry.  State Farm started out only insuring farmers, GEICO only insuring government employees, etc.  There are still plenty of insurance companies that only sell to people in specific jobs.  The Seafarers union has its own car insurance branch  due to the long time their cars spend in storage, for example. 

Navy Federal is just a credit union.  It used to be just for civilian Navy employees in the DC metro until it became an on-line mostly thing that caters to civilian and duty DoD employees. 

Both pay rack rate for whatever commercials they run during sports events or anything else.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 09:54:52 AM
Quote from: Brandon on January 03, 2020, 07:28:31 AM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 06:42:34 AM
When did the catering to the military start in sports? I'm talking about presentation of colors, fight songs, flyovers, recognition of soldiers attending a game.  Now we get bombarded with commercials for Navy Federal Credit Union and USAA (Granted they will be useful to the sailor/solder that could use them.) in addition to the services recruiting.  Plus teams (NFL in particular) wearing colors (pink in the past, camouflage at times as well).

September 11, 2001.  We didn't have anywhere near this much until them.
Never Forget.  Right.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Buck87 on January 03, 2020, 10:08:28 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 03, 2020, 01:44:50 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:34:42 AM
If you don't want to have kickoffs anymore fine but just start at the 25.  Why do I have to watch the kick into the endzone and wait through yet another commercial.
I find the proposal to give the Scoring team (TD/FG) or Scored Upon Team (Safety) an automatic 4th and somewhere around 15-25, on about their own 25-30 yard line quite fascinating, in lieu of a Kickoff/Free Kick

Most times, said team will Punt. If they really need the ball back, they'll go for the 1st Down on the 1 play. And statistically, supposedly anyway, the probabilities are higher to covert a 4th and 15 compared to a successful Onside Kick recovery. Fail, tho, and you give the other team exceptionally great Field Position

The AAF tried a rule like this, since one of the goals of that league was to test out various things to see if they'd be viable in the NFL.
Too bad that league folded so soon, without giving enough data points to really be able to properly evaluate this rule change.

And it looks like the new XFL is keeping kickoffs, but moving the kicking spot further back to discourage touchbacks.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Henry on January 03, 2020, 10:13:31 AM
All Bears (and Vikings) fans should know this answer: The Lambeau Leap! It's the most annoying tradition ever, and every time a Packers player scores a TD, it makes me want to look away in disgust.

Also, dunking on the goalposts. This is not the NBA! Leave that to the guys on the court.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 11:24:30 AM
Quote from: Henry on January 03, 2020, 10:13:31 AM
All Bears (and Vikings) fans should know this answer: The Lambeau Leap! It's the most annoying tradition ever, and every time a Packers player scores a TD, it makes me want to look away in disgust.

Also, dunking on the goalposts. This is not the NBA! Leave that to the guys on the court.
On the former - well you could do the Soldier Leep.  I would imagine that the Vikings might call it the Skol Leap ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 07:41:19 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 02:02:52 AM
Punts should be counted in the turnover stats.  If you didn't score, it's a turnover.  The attitude toward punting drives me crazy.
A punt is not a simple turnover.  It is designed to move the line of scrimmage 45+ yards down the field, and if the field of play is less than that, to down the ball within 5 to 10 yards of their goal line if possible.  The punt play itself provides a higher chance that the -receiving- team might mishandle the ball and turn it back over to the punting team.

Sometimes long bomb throws are picked off too.  Still a turnover.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 07:41:19 AM
A punt is not a simple turnover.  It is designed to move the line of scrimmage 45+ yards down the field, and if the field of play is less than that, to down the ball within 5 to 10 yards of their goal line if possible.  The punt play itself provides a higher chance that the -receiving- team might mishandle the ball and turn it back over to the punting team.
Sometimes long bomb throws are picked off too.  Still a turnover.
They can be batted down if there is no advantage to intercepting, especially if it was on 4th down.  Then the defense gets the ball at the line of scrimmage.

Can't do that on a punt.  There is a planned and strategic move of the line of scrimmage on a punt.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 07:41:19 AM
A punt is not a simple turnover.  It is designed to move the line of scrimmage 45+ yards down the field, and if the field of play is less than that, to down the ball within 5 to 10 yards of their goal line if possible.  The punt play itself provides a higher chance that the -receiving- team might mishandle the ball and turn it back over to the punting team.
Sometimes long bomb throws are picked off too.  Still a turnover.
They can be batted down if there is no advantage to intercepting, especially if it was on 4th down.  Then the defense gets the ball at the line of scrimmage.

Can't do that on a punt.  There is a planned and strategic move of the line of scrimmage on a punt.

Still a turnover
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Sometimes long bomb throws are picked off too.  Still a turnover.
They can be batted down if there is no advantage to intercepting, especially if it was on 4th down.  Then the defense gets the ball at the line of scrimmage.  Can't do that on a punt.  There is a planned and strategic move of the line of scrimmage on a punt.
Still a turnover
Then I suppose you could say that about a field goal or kickoff as well.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Sometimes long bomb throws are picked off too.  Still a turnover.
They can be batted down if there is no advantage to intercepting, especially if it was on 4th down.  Then the defense gets the ball at the line of scrimmage.  Can't do that on a punt.  There is a planned and strategic move of the line of scrimmage on a punt.
Still a turnover
Then I suppose you could say that about a field goal or kickoff as well.
Beltway has a POINT.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 04:19:10 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Sometimes long bomb throws are picked off too.  Still a turnover.
They can be batted down if there is no advantage to intercepting, especially if it was on 4th down.  Then the defense gets the ball at the line of scrimmage.  Can't do that on a punt.  There is a planned and strategic move of the line of scrimmage on a punt.
Still a turnover
Then I suppose you could say that about a field goal or kickoff as well.
Beltway has a POINT.

Okay I'll punt then
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Brandon on January 03, 2020, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Sometimes long bomb throws are picked off too.  Still a turnover.
They can be batted down if there is no advantage to intercepting, especially if it was on 4th down.  Then the defense gets the ball at the line of scrimmage.  Can't do that on a punt.  There is a planned and strategic move of the line of scrimmage on a punt.
Still a turnover
Then I suppose you could say that about a field goal or kickoff as well.
Beltway has a POINT.

Three, actually, between the goalposts.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 05:32:54 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 03, 2020, 05:11:15 PM
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 04:08:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:48:39 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 02:29:53 PM
Quote from: Beltway on January 03, 2020, 02:08:00 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 01:22:43 PM
Sometimes long bomb throws are picked off too.  Still a turnover.
They can be batted down if there is no advantage to intercepting, especially if it was on 4th down.  Then the defense gets the ball at the line of scrimmage.  Can't do that on a punt.  There is a planned and strategic move of the line of scrimmage on a punt.
Still a turnover
Then I suppose you could say that about a field goal or kickoff as well.
Beltway has a POINT.

Three, actually, between the goalposts.

Yes, score.  My point about all of this is punting is treated as a valiant effort by the team for a first down but they fail and they are "FORCED" to punt.  Should anything go wrong the punting team is not held responsible because they had no choice. Rather with the use of analytics there are other options.  The team chooses to give the ball away because they have more confidence in their defense than their offense.  Still a turnover.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on January 03, 2020, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 03, 2020, 10:13:31 AM
All Bears (and Vikings) fans should know this answer: The Lambeau Leap! It's the most annoying tradition ever, and every time a Packers player scores a TD, it makes me want to look away in disgust.
I find the digust more in the fact that the Fudgies scored the TD, not so much in the Lambeau Leap

Now, what I find truly annoying: The ridiculous "IN-COM-PLETE" chant at Mile High, any time the Broncos opponent throws an Incomplete Pass. Its a louder cheer for that than a Sack or a TD. Completely misplaced priorities. Must be that lack of oxygen...
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 09:01:50 PM
That stupid White Stripes song you hear at every football game
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on January 03, 2020, 09:14:14 PM
Dealing from stadium calls, the Vikings horn whenever a play is made
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 09:51:01 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 03, 2020, 08:39:55 PM
Quote from: Henry on January 03, 2020, 10:13:31 AM
All Bears (and Vikings) fans should know this answer: The Lambeau Leap! It's the most annoying tradition ever, and every time a Packers player scores a TD, it makes me want to look away in disgust.
I find the digust more in the fact that the Fudgies scored the TD, not so much in the Lambeau Leap

Now, what I find truly annoying: The ridiculous "IN-COM-PLETE" chant at Mile High, any time the Broncos opponent throws an Incomplete Pass. Its a louder cheer for that than a Sack or a TD. Completely misplaced priorities. Must be that lack of oxygen...
Wah-wah-wah! (what follows the chant)

Nowadays - the announcers of multiple stadiums will taunt opponents with "Thiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrddddd Dowwwwwwwwwwnnnn"
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 03, 2020, 10:38:52 PM
College bands that play CONSTANTLY and only know one song, that's you Oklahoma.  How about bands just play once in a while instead of on every play.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: wanderer2575 on January 04, 2020, 12:14:57 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2020, 10:25:31 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 02, 2020, 09:31:48 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 02, 2020, 09:04:34 AM
The whole concept of "pass interference".  Isn't it the job of the defense to prevent the other team from completing passes?

What do you propose they call it instead of "pass interference"?


How about "The defender doing their job".   B4ecause that's what it is.  Now, I can see throwing a flag if a defender body slams the receiver to prevent a catch - that's covered under unnecessary roughness.  But calling a penalty when a defender knocks the ball away as the receiver is about to catch it is ludicrous.  Time to let the players play the game.

I agree.  What really annoys me about defensive pass interference is the penalty, especially in the NFL.  Spotting the ball at the point of the foul and granting what sometimes is a huge yardage gain assumes the receiver would have caught it.  Plenty of missed long throws clearly demonstrates that isn't always so.

Quote from: Big John on January 03, 2020, 09:14:14 PM
Dealing from stadium calls, the Vikings horn whenever a play is made

And the gong every stadium sounds on third down.  It was cute the first thousand times, but the novelty has worn off.

Quote from: SSOWorld on January 03, 2020, 06:42:34 AM
When did the catering to the military start in sports? I'm talking about presentation of colors, fight songs, flyovers, recognition of soldiers attending a game.

... football field-size American flags, etc.  And this is where I'm conflicted about players taking a knee during the national anthem.  On the one hand, I'm annoyed by someone hijacking someone else's event to promote his personal views.  (I also wonder, if a player is so motivated to protest, whether and how he does so during the other 167 hours and 50 minutes of the football week.)  On the other hand, one can argue that the full-blown staged patriotic and military presentations have hijacked the games and the players have no say about their having to be there during the show.  At one time, the U.S. military was actually paying the NFL for the privilege of putting on these displays; I don't know if that still happens.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 12:23:02 PM
Yes they still pay the NFL to do it. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 07:13:28 PM
Fans that put their hands on top of their head in frustration
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 04, 2020, 07:21:28 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 07:13:28 PM
Fans that put their hands on top of their head in frustration

The world would be a lot more interesting if people acted like they do at sports events.  I could imagine some idiot rolling into work in his Bill's wife beater (referring to what I think you just saw in the Bills/Texans game) and flipping out at every little thing that went wrong during the day. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 07:28:18 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 04, 2020, 07:21:28 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 07:13:28 PM
Fans that put their hands on top of their head in frustration

The world would be a lot more interesting if people acted like they do at sports events.  I could imagine some idiot rolling into work in his Bill’s wife beater (referring to what I think you just saw in the Bills/Texans game) and flipping out at every little thing that went wrong during the day. 

Genius
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Brandon on January 04, 2020, 08:53:13 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 07:13:28 PM
Fans that put their hands on top of their head in frustration

Like this (at 0:14)?  :bigass:

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 10:34:46 PM
It's like the cameras just look for these people  I've never in my life done this watching a game
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: MNHighwayMan on January 05, 2020, 12:12:55 AM
Quote from: Big John on January 03, 2020, 09:14:14 PM
Dealing from stadium calls, the Vikings horn whenever a play is made

Take that back right this second.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SSOWorld on January 05, 2020, 03:25:37 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 04, 2020, 10:34:46 PM
It's like the cameras just look for these people  I've never in my life done this watching a game
Obligatory Owner Shot.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 05, 2020, 04:11:20 PM
If I didn't mention before, icing the kicker  Statistically it makes no difference (if anything it often gives them a practice kick) but coaches can't help themselves.  All it does is wastes time.

Effectiveness[edit]

In their book Scorecasting, Tobias J. Moskowitz and L. Jon Wertheim analyzed "pressure"  kicks from 2001 through 2009 while controlling for the distance of the field-goal attempt. They found that icing the kicker certainly does not produce the desired effect, and in some cases might even backfire. Moskowitz found that when an opposing coach iced the kicker with 15 seconds or fewer left to go in the game, those kickers tended to be more accurate.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on January 05, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Gives them a practice kick from scrimmage under pressure, at that ...

Overtime!
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 05, 2020, 05:24:59 PM
I've always thought that icing the kicker should lead to a four-point field goal, if they should make through the uprights a second time.

That would probably end that annoying practice very quickly.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 05, 2020, 05:28:26 PM
Ha ha well usually it's to end the game anyway.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: mgk920 on January 13, 2020, 09:46:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 01, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Not limited to sports:  The pouncing on a specific instance in the name of political correctness while ignoring other similar situations.

Sports example:  The self-indulgent protests over the Washington Redskins' team name, while the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop are for the most part nowhere near the PC flavor of the day and therefore they're okay.

Suffice to say that the term "Red Skin or Redskin"  has really aged poorly given it essentially racist slang for describing a Native American.  A team carrying the name of "Chiefs"  really isn't all that disrespect taken in that singular context.  It probably doesn't hurt the Chiefs that their logo is simply an arrow.  There was a wave of controversy for awhile on the college level but a lot of those teams were named after specific tribes.  If I recall correctly some schools like Florida State even got the blessing from the Seminole Tribe to use their name and likeness.

And yet, the ultra-PC cops made the University of North Dakota change their nickname from the 'Fighting Sioux' to something else, even though the local Sioux tribes loved it.

:rolleyes:

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: mgk920 on January 13, 2020, 09:53:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 03, 2020, 12:10:08 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 02, 2020, 11:40:59 PM
Since you mentioned the Cubs, any single person who did anything to ruin Steve Bartman's life

Most of the Cubs fan base is throughly unlikeable to begin with, their reaction to Steve Bartman is no surprise.

Especially those who grew up outside of the area of the State of Illinois that is roughly north of I-88 and its logical eastward and westward extensions.  I consider them to be 'Bandwagoners'.

:banghead:

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 13, 2020, 09:53:51 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 13, 2020, 09:46:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 01, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Not limited to sports:  The pouncing on a specific instance in the name of political correctness while ignoring other similar situations.

Sports example:  The self-indulgent protests over the Washington Redskins' team name, while the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop are for the most part nowhere near the PC flavor of the day and therefore they're okay.

Suffice to say that the term "Red Skin or Redskin"  has really aged poorly given it essentially racist slang for describing a Native American.  A team carrying the name of "Chiefs"  really isn't all that disrespect taken in that singular context.  It probably doesn't hurt the Chiefs that their logo is simply an arrow.  There was a wave of controversy for awhile on the college level but a lot of those teams were named after specific tribes.  If I recall correctly some schools like Florida State even got the blessing from the Seminole Tribe to use their name and likeness.

And yet, the ultra-PC cops made the University of North Dakota change their nickname from the 'Fighting Sioux' to something else, even though the local Sioux tribes loved it.

:rolleyes:

Mike

If I remember right didn't the tribe file a countersuit to have the team name reinstated?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on January 14, 2020, 12:18:17 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 13, 2020, 09:53:51 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on January 13, 2020, 09:46:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 01, 2020, 08:53:17 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 01, 2020, 08:38:09 PM
Not limited to sports:  The pouncing on a specific instance in the name of political correctness while ignoring other similar situations.

Sports example:  The self-indulgent protests over the Washington Redskins' team name, while the Kansas City Chiefs and its Tomahawk Chop are for the most part nowhere near the PC flavor of the day and therefore they're okay.

Suffice to say that the term "Red Skin or Redskin"  has really aged poorly given it essentially racist slang for describing a Native American.  A team carrying the name of "Chiefs"  really isn't all that disrespect taken in that singular context.  It probably doesn't hurt the Chiefs that their logo is simply an arrow.  There was a wave of controversy for awhile on the college level but a lot of those teams were named after specific tribes.  If I recall correctly some schools like Florida State even got the blessing from the Seminole Tribe to use their name and likeness.

And yet, the ultra-PC cops made the University of North Dakota change their nickname from the 'Fighting Sioux' to something else, even though the local Sioux tribes loved it.

:rolleyes:

Mike

If I remember right didn't the tribe file a countersuit to have the team name reinstated?
One tribe didn't like it, and that was enough apparently.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on January 14, 2020, 10:28:54 AM
What's happened with UND's hockey arena? The donor who paid for that arena put the Fighting Sioux logo EVERYWHERE, including embroidered in the leather seats, inlaid in the granite floor, etc., to make it as difficult and costly as possible to remove it if the PC Police ever forced a name change. Have they done anything in that respect or did the logo remain?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 14, 2020, 10:32:15 AM
TV went off last night so I had to turn it back on and for some reason wound up on a station with NO COMMENTATORS!  It was wonderful.  I like the crowd noise without the constant babbling.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:11:04 PM
I didn't really care for the super late start time of the National Championship last night or the excessively long half time.  I know that college doesn't want to compete with the NFL but couldn't they hold the Championship on a Saturday with a more agreeable start time?  I live on the West Coast and even the game was edging on getting towards my bed time. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on January 14, 2020, 01:13:53 PM
^^ The NCAA also have the championship on mondays for men's D1 basketball while they're playing NHL and NBA games where they could more likely to an accomodate their schedule.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 14, 2020, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 03, 2020, 12:39:08 AM
* Power 5 schools who schedule FCS opponents, and the fact that those games count

Any Power 5 school that schedules FCS opponents should be ineligible for the championship.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 14, 2020, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 14, 2020, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 03, 2020, 12:39:08 AM
* Power 5 schools who schedule FCS opponents, and the fact that those games count

Any Power 5 school that schedules FCS opponents should be ineligible for the championship.

they should not set your own schedules.  How about the top 4 play each other?  Challenge is to go 2-1 non conference, you'd still have some great records.

Imagine the NFL playing 6 divisional games  then a few handpicked opponents, then a couple of college teams, and it all counts.  Silly/stupid.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 14, 2020, 02:55:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:11:04 PM
I didn’t really care for the super late start time of the National Championship last night or the excessively long half time.  I know that college doesn’t want to compete with the NFL but couldn’t they hold the Championship on a Saturday with a more agreeable start time?  I live on the West Coast and even the game was edging on getting towards my bed time. 

AGREED!!! Same with the Super Bowl. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: US 89 on January 14, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:11:04 PM
I didn’t really care for the super late start time of the National Championship last night or the excessively long half time.  I know that college doesn’t want to compete with the NFL but couldn’t they hold the Championship on a Saturday with a more agreeable start time?  I live on the West Coast and even the game was edging on getting towards my bed time.

I would be fine if the championship were held at the same time, but on a Friday night instead of a Monday. That still runs into all the issues associated with having the game on a weekday, but at least it doesn't conflict with the NFL and allows most viewers to stay up later since they won't have to work or attend classes the next day.

What really bothers me is the fact that it's on ESPN. There's no reason it can't be on ABC.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 14, 2020, 03:35:09 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 14, 2020, 02:55:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 14, 2020, 12:11:04 PM
I didn't really care for the super late start time of the National Championship last night or the excessively long half time.  I know that college doesn't want to compete with the NFL but couldn't they hold the Championship on a Saturday with a more agreeable start time?  I live on the West Coast and even the game was edging on getting towards my bed time. 

AGREED!!! Same with the Super Bowl. 

Super Bowl is not as late as the CFP Championship.  Super Bowl kicks off at 6:35 pm ET and is usually ends about 10pm +/- 15 minutes.  CFP Championship kicks off at 8:20 pm ET and usually ends about midnight. 

The problem with scheduling the CFP Championship is that the NFL Playoffs own both Saturday and Sunday the first two weekends in January.  Friday night is the worst night of the week when it comes to TV ratings so that's never going to happen, and delaying it to the 3rd Saturday in January is just too late. 

What would be ideal is if the NFL rearranged the Divisional Playoffs weekend to have 3 games on Sunday and one on Saturday and give Saturday night to the CFP Championship, but I doubt the NFL would do it.

Now if the NFL goes to a 17 game schedule played over 19 weeks that pushes their playoffs back and potentially frees up that 2nd Saturday in January for the CFP Championship.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on January 14, 2020, 04:14:35 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 14, 2020, 01:48:55 PM
Quote from: Alps on January 03, 2020, 12:39:08 AM
* Power 5 schools who schedule FCS opponents, and the fact that those games count

Any Power 5 school that schedules FCS opponents should be ineligible for the championship.

Meh. I don't mind if a Power 5 school plays one I-AA opponent. The reason is that often (not always, but often) the I-AA opponent is likely to be a local school and the big payday they get for agreeing to come play at the I-A venue is a big financial boost for their athletic department. I see the benefit of allowing that. Frankly, I'd rather see UVA play a local I-AA opponent like William & Mary than a relatively unknown program from somewhere far away that got chosen just because they're a I-A opponent (examples of some of those kind of programs we've played over the years: San Jose State, Western Michigan, and Buffalo).

I recall the bowl eligibility rules used to be more restrictive as to games against I-AA opponents than they are now, and I don't think that was a bad thing at all, but I guess it has to be that way given the proliferation of bowl games. They have to fill the spots somehow.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on January 15, 2020, 09:09:51 AM
While we are on the subject of FBS and FCS, those terms bother me.  They should have kept I-A (which are the schools that go to bowls, now called FBS, or football bowl subdivision) and I-AA (which have a 24 team playoffs, FCS, or football championship subdivision).  Nobody know what FBS and FBS stand for.  Just use I-A and I-AA.

As to who plays who, the only team that does not play I-AA programs is Notre Dame.  I have no problem with a team playing one I-AA per year.  The $$ earned can pay for the entire program at the I-AA for multiple years.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2020, 09:15:41 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 15, 2020, 09:09:51 AM
While we are on the subject of FBS and FCS, those terms bother me.  They should have kept I-A (which are the schools that go to bowls, now called FBS, or football bowl subdivision) and I-AA (which have a 24 team playoffs, FCS, or football championship subdivision).  Nobody know what FBS and FBS stand for.  Just use I-A and I-AA.

As to who plays who, the only team that does not play I-AA programs is Notre Dame.  I have no problem with a team playing one I-AA per year.  The $$ earned can pay for the entire program at the I-AA for multiple years.

Football Bowl Subdivision which sounds like a suburban neighborhood rather than a sports league. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tchafe1978 on January 15, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
What bothers me is why every level of football can have a real playoff except for FBS. FCS, D-II, and D-III all have real playoffs with a real champion won on the field. Not some hand picked favorites to play for a mythical championship. What we have now is better that the BCS or when the champion was just the most voted team to be #1, but it isn't a real playoff until it includes at least the champions of all FBS conferences, Group of 5 conferences included. But there is too much money to be made with the 30 or however many bowl games there are. If we don't want to get rid of all those other meaningless bowl games, make them the site of the playoff games at round of the playoffs. FBS football is the only sport that doesn't really crown a true champion on the field.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 15, 2020, 04:34:53 PM
People who hate a certain sports team just because that team wins a lot.

When I was younger, both the Dallas Cowboys and the New York Yankees fit this description.  Recently, it's the New England Patriots.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 15, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on January 15, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
What bothers me is why every level of football can have a real playoff except for FBS. FCS, D-II, and D-III all have real playoffs with a real champion won on the field. Not some hand picked favorites to play for a mythical championship. What we have now is better that the BCS or when the champion was just the most voted team to be #1, but it isn't a real playoff until it includes at least the champions of all FBS conferences, Group of 5 conferences included. But there is too much money to be made with the 30 or however many bowl games there are. If we don't want to get rid of all those other meaningless bowl games, make them the site of the playoff games at round of the playoffs. FBS football is the only sport that doesn't really crown a true champion on the field.

LSU just beat the #4 team by 35 and the #3 team by 17.   Did we really need an additional round so that LSU could have beaten the #8 team by 50?  The PAC-12 champs lost to the SEC's 4th best team and the AAC Champs lost to the Big Ten's 3rd best team.  We didn't need those teams in an expanded playoff to know that LSU was a legitimate champion.

Yes, the FCS Championship includes more teams, but it's been won by one of the top 4 seeds for 9 years running.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on January 15, 2020, 05:14:37 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2020, 04:34:53 PM
People who hate a certain sports team just because that team wins a lot.

... Recently, it's the New England Patriots.

Hopefully, fans of divisional opponents are exempt.  :)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 15, 2020, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 15, 2020, 05:14:37 PM

Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2020, 04:34:53 PM
People who hate a certain sports team just because that team wins a lot.

... Recently, it's the New England Patriots.

Hopefully, fans of divisional opponents are exempt.  :)

Rooting against the ones you're team is actually playing at the time is one thing.  Hating a team in general, simply because they're good at the sport and therefore win a lot of games, is another thing.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 15, 2020, 06:54:39 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on January 15, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
What bothers me is why every level of football can have a real playoff except for FBS. FCS, D-II, and D-III all have real playoffs with a real champion won on the field. Not some hand picked favorites to play for a mythical championship. What we have now is better that the BCS or when the champion was just the most voted team to be #1, but it isn't a real playoff until it includes at least the champions of all FBS conferences, Group of 5 conferences included. But there is too much money to be made with the 30 or however many bowl games there are. If we don't want to get rid of all those other meaningless bowl games, make them the site of the playoff games at round of the playoffs. FBS football is the only sport that doesn't really crown a true champion on the field.

No kidding everyone is horrified and the 2nd level has TWENTY teams.  With 65 teams, having 8 in a playoff is reasonable.  NFL teams get in the playoffs with as many as EIGHT losses and people don't lose their mind.  I'm all for some tougher schedule and an 8 team playoff where the top 8 teams have a few losses. 

And I don't see why the big schools need to spend their money paying the small schools for squash matches.  Why not just play a tough game and not pay anyone.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on January 15, 2020, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 15, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on January 15, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
What bothers me is why every level of football can have a real playoff except for FBS. FCS, D-II, and D-III all have real playoffs with a real champion won on the field. Not some hand picked favorites to play for a mythical championship. What we have now is better that the BCS or when the champion was just the most voted team to be #1, but it isn't a real playoff until it includes at least the champions of all FBS conferences, Group of 5 conferences included. But there is too much money to be made with the 30 or however many bowl games there are. If we don't want to get rid of all those other meaningless bowl games, make them the site of the playoff games at round of the playoffs. FBS football is the only sport that doesn't really crown a true champion on the field.

LSU just beat the #4 team by 35 and the #3 team by 17.   Did we really need an additional round so that LSU could have beaten the #8 team by 50?  The PAC-12 champs lost to the SEC's 4th best team and the AAC Champs lost to the Big Ten's 3rd best team.  We didn't need those teams in an expanded playoff to know that LSU was a legitimate champion.

Yes, the FCS Championship includes more teams, but it's been won by one of the top 4 seeds for 9 years running.
Some years are less cut and dried. Look back at past selections - this was a rare year when it was easy to pick the top 4. An intuitive system: Winner of each Power 5 conference + top ranked Group of 5 + any remaining undefeated teams (Notre Dame or Group of 5). 8 team playoff, fill the last 1-2 spots with remaining top ranked teams if any.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2020, 11:40:34 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 15, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on January 15, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
What bothers me is why every level of football can have a real playoff except for FBS. FCS, D-II, and D-III all have real playoffs with a real champion won on the field. Not some hand picked favorites to play for a mythical championship. What we have now is better that the BCS or when the champion was just the most voted team to be #1, but it isn't a real playoff until it includes at least the champions of all FBS conferences, Group of 5 conferences included. But there is too much money to be made with the 30 or however many bowl games there are. If we don't want to get rid of all those other meaningless bowl games, make them the site of the playoff games at round of the playoffs. FBS football is the only sport that doesn't really crown a true champion on the field.

LSU just beat the #4 team by 35 and the #3 team by 17.   Did we really need an additional round so that LSU could have beaten the #8 team by 50?  The PAC-12 champs lost to the SEC's 4th best team and the AAC Champs lost to the Big Ten's 3rd best team.  We didn't need those teams in an expanded playoff to know that LSU was a legitimate champion.

Yes, the FCS Championship includes more teams, but it's been won by one of the top 4 seeds for 9 years running.

If anything it would benefit the NCAA to get 8 teams involved just for the excitement it would draw.  Seeing the same set of teams in a four team playoff is kind of boring, why not at least open the door to a big upset akin to the NCAA Basketball tournament?  Really even a 12 team playoff wouldn't be so out of line if the bowls were completely dropped, it certainly would smooth out the post season schedule.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on January 16, 2020, 01:20:39 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 14, 2020, 10:32:15 AM
TV went off last night so I had to turn it back on and for some reason wound up on a station with NO COMMENTATORS!  It was wonderful.  I like the crowd noise without the constant babbling.

Some generic broadcasts for foreign soccer leagues do allow you to switch off commentary. They even ditch the halftime show in favor of showing the stands empty out for concessions.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 16, 2020, 08:07:14 AM
Quote from: Alps on January 15, 2020, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 15, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on January 15, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
What bothers me is why every level of football can have a real playoff except for FBS. FCS, D-II, and D-III all have real playoffs with a real champion won on the field. Not some hand picked favorites to play for a mythical championship. What we have now is better that the BCS or when the champion was just the most voted team to be #1, but it isn't a real playoff until it includes at least the champions of all FBS conferences, Group of 5 conferences included. But there is too much money to be made with the 30 or however many bowl games there are. If we don't want to get rid of all those other meaningless bowl games, make them the site of the playoff games at round of the playoffs. FBS football is the only sport that doesn't really crown a true champion on the field.

LSU just beat the #4 team by 35 and the #3 team by 17.   Did we really need an additional round so that LSU could have beaten the #8 team by 50?  The PAC-12 champs lost to the SEC's 4th best team and the AAC Champs lost to the Big Ten's 3rd best team.  We didn't need those teams in an expanded playoff to know that LSU was a legitimate champion.

Yes, the FCS Championship includes more teams, but it's been won by one of the top 4 seeds for 9 years running.
Some years are less cut and dried. Look back at past selections - this was a rare year when it was easy to pick the top 4. An intuitive system: Winner of each Power 5 conference + top ranked Group of 5 + any remaining undefeated teams (Notre Dame or Group of 5). 8 team playoff, fill the last 1-2 spots with remaining top ranked teams if any.

The unintended consequence of having that system is that you'll have the top teams playing even more creampuff schedules than they do now.  Group of 5 teams will be playing all their nonconference games against FCS opponents just to increase their chances of being undefeated.  The only way I would approve of expanding the playoff to 8 teams is to impose the following conditions.

1) To be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 12 FBS opponents.  An exception can be made for a team that scheduled 12 FBS opponents but had one game cancelled due to weather.

2) For a Power 5 team or ND to be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 10 other Power 5/ND teams.  Again an exception can be made for a game cancelled due to weather.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 16, 2020, 09:29:38 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2020, 08:07:14 AM
Quote from: Alps on January 15, 2020, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 15, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on January 15, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
What bothers me is why every level of football can have a real playoff except for FBS. FCS, D-II, and D-III all have real playoffs with a real champion won on the field. Not some hand picked favorites to play for a mythical championship. What we have now is better that the BCS or when the champion was just the most voted team to be #1, but it isn't a real playoff until it includes at least the champions of all FBS conferences, Group of 5 conferences included. But there is too much money to be made with the 30 or however many bowl games there are. If we don't want to get rid of all those other meaningless bowl games, make them the site of the playoff games at round of the playoffs. FBS football is the only sport that doesn't really crown a true champion on the field.

LSU just beat the #4 team by 35 and the #3 team by 17.   Did we really need an additional round so that LSU could have beaten the #8 team by 50?  The PAC-12 champs lost to the SEC's 4th best team and the AAC Champs lost to the Big Ten's 3rd best team.  We didn't need those teams in an expanded playoff to know that LSU was a legitimate champion.

Yes, the FCS Championship includes more teams, but it's been won by one of the top 4 seeds for 9 years running.
Some years are less cut and dried. Look back at past selections - this was a rare year when it was easy to pick the top 4. An intuitive system: Winner of each Power 5 conference + top ranked Group of 5 + any remaining undefeated teams (Notre Dame or Group of 5). 8 team playoff, fill the last 1-2 spots with remaining top ranked teams if any.

The unintended consequence of having that system is that you'll have the top teams playing even more creampuff schedules than they do now.  Group of 5 teams will be playing all their nonconference games against FCS opponents just to increase their chances of being undefeated.  The only way I would approve of expanding the playoff to 8 teams is to impose the following conditions.

1) To be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 12 FBS opponents.  An exception can be made for a team that scheduled 12 FBS opponents but had one game cancelled due to weather.

2) For a Power 5 team or ND to be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 10 other Power 5/ND teams.  Again an exception can be made for a game cancelled due to weather.

Stop letting schools set their own schedules.  3 non conference games should be against comparable teams.  LSU, Ohio State, OU, Clemson all playing each other next year would be amazing.

Another pet peeve as we're hearing about spying: baseball in general.  It used to be fun when I watched early 80s, and it was probably better before that, and far worse now.  zzzzz
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 16, 2020, 09:30:56 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2020, 11:40:34 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 15, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on January 15, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
What bothers me is why every level of football can have a real playoff except for FBS. FCS, D-II, and D-III all have real playoffs with a real champion won on the field. Not some hand picked favorites to play for a mythical championship. What we have now is better that the BCS or when the champion was just the most voted team to be #1, but it isn't a real playoff until it includes at least the champions of all FBS conferences, Group of 5 conferences included. But there is too much money to be made with the 30 or however many bowl games there are. If we don't want to get rid of all those other meaningless bowl games, make them the site of the playoff games at round of the playoffs. FBS football is the only sport that doesn't really crown a true champion on the field.

LSU just beat the #4 team by 35 and the #3 team by 17.   Did we really need an additional round so that LSU could have beaten the #8 team by 50?  The PAC-12 champs lost to the SEC's 4th best team and the AAC Champs lost to the Big Ten's 3rd best team.  We didn't need those teams in an expanded playoff to know that LSU was a legitimate champion.

Yes, the FCS Championship includes more teams, but it's been won by one of the top 4 seeds for 9 years running.

If anything it would benefit the NCAA to get 8 teams involved just for the excitement it would draw.  Seeing the same set of teams in a four team playoff is kind of boring, why not at least open the door to a big upset akin to the NCAA Basketball tournament?  Really even a 12 team playoff wouldn't be so out of line if the bowls were completely dropped, it certainly would smooth out the post season schedule.

It all stems from starting out in radio.  They constantly have to talk to tell you what is going on.  Why do we go to games and feel we don't need running commentary but on TV we're so stupid we need someone to explain what we're seeing.  Would not shock me at all if 30 years from now no commentators was the norm.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on January 16, 2020, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 16, 2020, 09:30:56 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2020, 11:40:34 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 15, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on January 15, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
What bothers me is why every level of football can have a real playoff except for FBS. FCS, D-II, and D-III all have real playoffs with a real champion won on the field. Not some hand picked favorites to play for a mythical championship. What we have now is better that the BCS or when the champion was just the most voted team to be #1, but it isn't a real playoff until it includes at least the champions of all FBS conferences, Group of 5 conferences included. But there is too much money to be made with the 30 or however many bowl games there are. If we don't want to get rid of all those other meaningless bowl games, make them the site of the playoff games at round of the playoffs. FBS football is the only sport that doesn't really crown a true champion on the field.

LSU just beat the #4 team by 35 and the #3 team by 17.   Did we really need an additional round so that LSU could have beaten the #8 team by 50?  The PAC-12 champs lost to the SEC's 4th best team and the AAC Champs lost to the Big Ten's 3rd best team.  We didn't need those teams in an expanded playoff to know that LSU was a legitimate champion.

Yes, the FCS Championship includes more teams, but it's been won by one of the top 4 seeds for 9 years running.

If anything it would benefit the NCAA to get 8 teams involved just for the excitement it would draw.  Seeing the same set of teams in a four team playoff is kind of boring, why not at least open the door to a big upset akin to the NCAA Basketball tournament?  Really even a 12 team playoff wouldn't be so out of line if the bowls were completely dropped, it certainly would smooth out the post season schedule.

It all stems from starting out in radio.  They constantly have to talk to tell you what is going on.  Why do we go to games and feel we don't need running commentary but on TV we're so stupid we need someone to explain what we're seeing.  Would not shock me at all if 30 years from now no commentators was the norm.

If they get rid of their commentary, they'll lose a small part of their advertising money. I remember in baseball there was the "Amica strike zone" or something similar. (The advertisements that go with the commentary are all visual, not spoken.)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 16, 2020, 11:37:06 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 16, 2020, 09:35:03 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 16, 2020, 09:30:56 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 15, 2020, 11:40:34 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 15, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on January 15, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
What bothers me is why every level of football can have a real playoff except for FBS. FCS, D-II, and D-III all have real playoffs with a real champion won on the field. Not some hand picked favorites to play for a mythical championship. What we have now is better that the BCS or when the champion was just the most voted team to be #1, but it isn't a real playoff until it includes at least the champions of all FBS conferences, Group of 5 conferences included. But there is too much money to be made with the 30 or however many bowl games there are. If we don't want to get rid of all those other meaningless bowl games, make them the site of the playoff games at round of the playoffs. FBS football is the only sport that doesn't really crown a true champion on the field.

LSU just beat the #4 team by 35 and the #3 team by 17.   Did we really need an additional round so that LSU could have beaten the #8 team by 50?  The PAC-12 champs lost to the SEC's 4th best team and the AAC Champs lost to the Big Ten's 3rd best team.  We didn't need those teams in an expanded playoff to know that LSU was a legitimate champion.

Yes, the FCS Championship includes more teams, but it's been won by one of the top 4 seeds for 9 years running.

If anything it would benefit the NCAA to get 8 teams involved just for the excitement it would draw.  Seeing the same set of teams in a four team playoff is kind of boring, why not at least open the door to a big upset akin to the NCAA Basketball tournament?  Really even a 12 team playoff wouldn't be so out of line if the bowls were completely dropped, it certainly would smooth out the post season schedule.

It all stems from starting out in radio.  They constantly have to talk to tell you what is going on.  Why do we go to games and feel we don't need running commentary but on TV we're so stupid we need someone to explain what we're seeing.  Would not shock me at all if 30 years from now no commentators was the norm.

If they get rid of their commentary, they'll lose a small part of their advertising money. I remember in baseball there was the "Amica strike zone" or something similar. (The advertisements that go with the commentary are all visual, not spoken.)

it evens out, hear what they want to pay romo?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on January 16, 2020, 01:20:46 PM
When a commentator says "nothing but green grass ahead" when the game is on artificial turf.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on January 16, 2020, 01:59:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2020, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 15, 2020, 05:14:37 PM

Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2020, 04:34:53 PM
People who hate a certain sports team just because that team wins a lot.

... Recently, it's the New England Patriots.

Hopefully, fans of divisional opponents are exempt.  :)

Rooting against the ones you're team is actually playing at the time is one thing.  Hating a team in general, simply because they're good at the sport and therefore win a lot of games, is another thing.

"Front-runners" annoy me. That is, people who pile on the bandwagon of a certain team or individual just because they are successful. Their fans tend to be obnoxious.

It's one reason I never cared for Jeff Gordon. I started watching NASCAR when Gordon's career was young, and Dale Earnhardt's was nearing its untimely end. I started out liking Gordon, but the more I was exposed to his fans, the less I liked him. They turned me completely against him.

Also, fans who jump off the bandwagon of their traditional teams for the next hot flavor, especially if their old faithful team is struggling. I used to work with someone who was a huge Reds fan, but when things started going downhill late in Dusty Baker's tenure, he jumped ship to the Cubs because they were on the rise.

As a corollary, fans who don't support their local teams and instead root for distant franchises. I blame Ted Turner for that. This area has always been Reds Country, but a whole lot of kids grew up seeing more Braves games on WTBS than they did Reds games on national TV, or whatever loose network of local TV affiliates the Reds could cobble together.

And, as mentioned in another thread, people who automatically root for teams in their conference when their team isn't playing. Saw something in my FB memories the other day that sums it up pretty well, although not applicable this year: "Rooting for Alabama because they're in the SEC is like rooting for Satan because he's in the Bible."
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 16, 2020, 02:07:15 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 16, 2020, 01:59:48 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2020, 05:33:52 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 15, 2020, 05:14:37 PM

Quote from: kphoger on January 15, 2020, 04:34:53 PM
People who hate a certain sports team just because that team wins a lot.

... Recently, it's the New England Patriots.

Hopefully, fans of divisional opponents are exempt.  :)

Rooting against the ones you're team is actually playing at the time is one thing.  Hating a team in general, simply because they're good at the sport and therefore win a lot of games, is another thing.

"Front-runners" annoy me. That is, people who pile on the bandwagon of a certain team or individual just because they are successful. Their fans tend to be obnoxious.

It's one reason I never cared for Jeff Gordon. I started watching NASCAR when Gordon's career was young, and Dale Earnhardt's was nearing its untimely end. I started out liking Gordon, but the more I was exposed to his fans, the less I liked him. They turned me completely against him.

Also, fans who jump off the bandwagon of their traditional teams for the next hot flavor, especially if their old faithful team is struggling. I used to work with someone who was a huge Reds fan, but when things started going downhill late in Dusty Baker's tenure, he jumped ship to the Cubs because they were on the rise.

As a corollary, fans who don't support their local teams and instead root for distant franchises. I blame Ted Turner for that. This area has always been Reds Country, but a whole lot of kids grew up seeing more Braves games on WTBS than they did Reds games on national TV, or whatever loose network of local TV affiliates the Reds could cobble together.

And, as mentioned in another thread, people who automatically root for teams in their conference when their team isn't playing. Saw something in my FB memories the other day that sums it up pretty well, although not applicable this year: "Rooting for Alabama because they're in the SEC is like rooting for Satan because he's in the Bible."

I don't like front-runners/bandwaggoners either, but I don't stop liking someone because of them.  I grew up 20 miles from and then went to Notre Dame, and I didn't stop liking them no matter how many annoying fans they had.

Similarly, I liked Jeff Gordon because he is from Indiana and didn't stop liking him because of annoying fans.

Also, I'll never ditch my first love teams, but I do think it's fine to have a secondary interest for when my primary teams are awful.  The Bears have been terrible most of this century, so I've followed the Colts.  Similarly, the White Sox have been pretty bad for a decade so I've followed the Nationals.  I'm never ditching my local teams but I find other teams to keep my interest until they're good again.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 16, 2020, 07:27:59 PM
I really don't like the Viking fans and embraced the Cowboys when I was 8.  When I was 37 I moved to Texas!  It's not easy liking out of town teams so don't hate on people for it.  Sometimes you just get tired of your crappy hopeless franchise e.g. the Browns.

My wife hates Jeff Gordon and my mom loves him.  King of the Hill had a great episode on Nascar.

I hate "frontrunner" when it comes to the Heisman.  Once you have a bad week, you're out whereas early bad weeks are forgiven.  When you have a "Heisman frontrunner" before the season starts that's like picking your mvp before one game is played. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 16, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
HB:

It makes more sense to me for people to start cheering for a team that's winning a lot.  Forget about your emotional attachment to this team or that team for a minute, and ask yourself:  doesn't it make sense to cheer for a team that plays well?  If "your" team stops playing well, isn't it understandable to lose your enthusiasm for them?

If my favorite band stops producing music I like, then why should I keep buying their albums?  If my favorite TV series replaces the best actors and writers with mindless drivel and lackluster acting, then why should I keep watching it?  Similarly, if my favorite sports team stops playing their sport well, then why should I keep supporting them?

As for cheering for faraway teams rather than your local team...  For me...  Unless I personally know someone on the team, then I'm watching the sport for the sake of the game, not for the sake of the city.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 16, 2020, 08:25:05 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 16, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
HB:

It makes more sense to me for people to start cheering for a team that's winning a lot.  Forget about your emotional attachment to this team or that team for a minute, and ask yourself:  doesn't it make sense to cheer for a team that plays well?  If "your" team stops playing well, isn't it understandable to lose your enthusiasm for them?

If my favorite band stops producing music I like, then why should I keep buying their albums?  If my favorite TV series replaces the best actors and writers with mindless drivel and lackluster acting, then why should I keep watching it?  Similarly, if my favorite sports team stops playing their sport well, then why should I keep supporting them?

As for cheering for faraway teams rather than your local team...  For me...  Unless I personally know someone on the team, then I'm watching the sport for the sake of the game, not for the sake of the city.

I agree, if your favorite TV show stinks, stop watching.  If your team stinks and everyone keeps supporting them there is no huge incentive to win.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on January 17, 2020, 01:13:32 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2020, 08:07:14 AM
Quote from: Alps on January 15, 2020, 09:08:58 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 15, 2020, 05:01:06 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on January 15, 2020, 04:29:37 PM
What bothers me is why every level of football can have a real playoff except for FBS. FCS, D-II, and D-III all have real playoffs with a real champion won on the field. Not some hand picked favorites to play for a mythical championship. What we have now is better that the BCS or when the champion was just the most voted team to be #1, but it isn't a real playoff until it includes at least the champions of all FBS conferences, Group of 5 conferences included. But there is too much money to be made with the 30 or however many bowl games there are. If we don't want to get rid of all those other meaningless bowl games, make them the site of the playoff games at round of the playoffs. FBS football is the only sport that doesn't really crown a true champion on the field.

LSU just beat the #4 team by 35 and the #3 team by 17.   Did we really need an additional round so that LSU could have beaten the #8 team by 50?  The PAC-12 champs lost to the SEC's 4th best team and the AAC Champs lost to the Big Ten's 3rd best team.  We didn't need those teams in an expanded playoff to know that LSU was a legitimate champion.

Yes, the FCS Championship includes more teams, but it's been won by one of the top 4 seeds for 9 years running.
Some years are less cut and dried. Look back at past selections - this was a rare year when it was easy to pick the top 4. An intuitive system: Winner of each Power 5 conference + top ranked Group of 5 + any remaining undefeated teams (Notre Dame or Group of 5). 8 team playoff, fill the last 1-2 spots with remaining top ranked teams if any.

The unintended consequence of having that system is that you'll have the top teams playing even more creampuff schedules than they do now.  Group of 5 teams will be playing all their nonconference games against FCS opponents just to increase their chances of being undefeated.  The only way I would approve of expanding the playoff to 8 teams is to impose the following conditions.

1) To be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 12 FBS opponents.  An exception can be made for a team that scheduled 12 FBS opponents but had one game cancelled due to weather.

2) For a Power 5 team or ND to be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 10 other Power 5/ND teams.  Again an exception can be made for a game cancelled due to weather.
I endorse your proposal.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on January 17, 2020, 03:13:59 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2020, 08:07:14 AM
The unintended consequence of having that system is that you'll have the top teams playing even more creampuff schedules than they do now.  Group of 5 teams will be playing all their nonconference games against FCS opponents just to increase their chances of being undefeated.  The only way I would approve of expanding the playoff to 8 teams is to impose the following conditions.

1) To be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 12 FBS opponents.  An exception can be made for a team that scheduled 12 FBS opponents but had one game cancelled due to weather.

2) For a Power 5 team or ND to be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 10 other Power 5/ND teams.  Again an exception can be made for a game cancelled due to weather.
Since all P5 Conferences play at least 8 Regularly Scheduled Conference games, and have a Championship game, that is at least 9 P5 games against other members of your conference, with at least 8 different opponents, as Championship games can be repeat opponents

The way I read 2), is not just 10 games vs others in the P5, but 10 unique opponents. Assuming the Conference Title game is not a Rematch, many of the P5 Conferences already do this...SEC is sticking to 8 SEC games and the Big 12 has to have a repeat Title Game opponent since they play a Round Robin Football schedule. Pretty sure Big Ten, ACC, and Pac 12 are already here
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on January 17, 2020, 08:41:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 16, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
It makes more sense to me for people to start cheering for a team that's winning a lot.  Forget about your emotional attachment to this team or that team for a minute, and ask yourself:  doesn't it make sense to cheer for a team that plays well?  If "your" team stops playing well, isn't it understandable to lose your enthusiasm for them?

If my favorite band stops producing music I like, then why should I keep buying their albums?  If my favorite TV series replaces the best actors and writers with mindless drivel and lackluster acting, then why should I keep watching it?  Similarly, if my favorite sports team stops playing their sport well, then why should I keep supporting them?

As for cheering for faraway teams rather than your local team...  For me...  Unless I personally know someone on the team, then I'm watching the sport for the sake of the game, not for the sake of the city.

Bands and TV shows are fairly one-dimensional: you watch or listen to them for entertainment. Sports can be entertaining too, certainly, but it's really all about the competition. And if you just support whichever team is doing best, or is the most fun to watch, that to me suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of (a) the purpose of sports, and (b) how competition works.

Rooting for a team even when they're bad or mediocre, and watching them pull of wins as the underdog, is a big part of what makes sports exciting! Being loyal to a team also builds a sense of comradery and community, and even identity in a way that consuming something for pleasure does not, and that is what sets sports apart from other forms of entertainment.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 17, 2020, 09:03:12 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2020, 08:41:08 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 16, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
It makes more sense to me for people to start cheering for a team that's winning a lot.  Forget about your emotional attachment to this team or that team for a minute, and ask yourself:  doesn't it make sense to cheer for a team that plays well?  If "your" team stops playing well, isn't it understandable to lose your enthusiasm for them?

If my favorite band stops producing music I like, then why should I keep buying their albums?  If my favorite TV series replaces the best actors and writers with mindless drivel and lackluster acting, then why should I keep watching it?  Similarly, if my favorite sports team stops playing their sport well, then why should I keep supporting them?

As for cheering for faraway teams rather than your local team...  For me...  Unless I personally know someone on the team, then I'm watching the sport for the sake of the game, not for the sake of the city.

Bands and TV shows are fairly one-dimensional: you watch or listen to them for entertainment. Sports can be entertaining too, certainly, but it's really all about the competition. And if you just support whichever team is doing best, or is the most fun to watch, that to me suggests a fundamental misunderstanding of (a) the purpose of sports, and (b) how competition works.

Rooting for a team even when they're bad or mediocre, and watching them pull of wins as the underdog, is a big part of what makes sports exciting! Being loyal to a team also builds a sense of comradery and community, and even identity in a way that consuming something for pleasure does not, and that is what sets sports apart from other forms of entertainment.

I've often heard that in Europe and a lot of other places that dynastic teams are far more revered than in the United States.  I suppose it makes sense given there long standing club soccer teams that probably drive that mindset.  Can anyone confirm that this is the case in places like Europe?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on January 17, 2020, 09:54:26 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 17, 2020, 09:03:12 PM
I've often heard that in Europe and a lot of other places that dynastic teams are far more revered than in the United States.  I suppose it makes sense given there long standing club soccer teams that probably drive that mindset.  Can anyone confirm that this is the case in places like Europe?

The old greats are respected, but resented because they can suck up all the talent in the league thanks to the looser financial restraints in European soccer. The worst ones are the "new money" giants like Manchester City who "bought" their way to titles.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Buck87 on January 19, 2020, 04:37:50 PM
Watching today's pregame promo reminded me of one:

People who either outright say or heavily imply that the Titans would have won the Super Bowl against the Rams had they scored on the game's final play that came up a yard short. Things like "we were 1 yard shy of winning it all"

No. It was a 7 point game.
Had Tennessee scored on that play it would have been 23-22, with the Titans having a major decision to make: either try to send the game to overtime, or try win it in regulation by going for the gutsiest 2 point conversion in NFL history. Only one team entered the game's final play with a chance to secure the victory based solely on the result of that one play, and they were the ones celebrating after its conclusion.

There is a similar thing with "The Fumble." It's often heavy inferred that the Browns would have gone to the Super Bowl had Earnest Byner not fumbled at the 1 yard line late in the 1987-88 AFC Championship game in Denver. Well, maybe, but it was far from guaranteed. That was also a 7 point game, and there was a little over a minute left. So to win it after the assumed Byner TD + PAT the Browns would have still needed to stop Elway from getting into mile high FG range with a minute to work with in a 38-38 game, and then win it in sudden death overtime.



Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Billy F 1988 on January 19, 2020, 05:25:31 PM
I think what annoys me the most is how NASCAR just ripped the purism out of itself when the Chase was introduced. A lot of purist fans were really hot (read: ticked off) that Brian "Brainless" France thought this would make it more exciting. Well, it kinda was, that is until the big boys with Ring in the Fishbowl, okay, TOYOTA, began running rough shod. And, of course, Kurt Busch's radio tirades while he was at Penske, and the Jeremy Mayfield drug test debacle. That really irked me.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 19, 2020, 10:57:15 PM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on January 19, 2020, 05:25:31 PM
I think what annoys me the most is how NASCAR just ripped the purism out of itself when the Chase was introduced. A lot of purist fans were really hot (read: ticked off) that Brian "Brainless" France thought this would make it more exciting. Well, it kinda was, that is until the big boys with Ring in the Fishbowl, okay, TOYOTA, began running rough shod. And, of course, Kurt Busch's radio tirades while he was at Penske, and the Jeremy Mayfield drug test debacle. That really irked me.

As opposed to most years when someone would just run away with the championship?  Proposals for something like a playoff started popping up after Terry Labonte one the Winston Cup Championship in 1996 being uber consistent with Top 5s and Top 10s. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: spooky on January 20, 2020, 07:07:07 AM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on January 19, 2020, 05:25:31 PM
I think what annoys me the most is how NASCAR just ripped the purism out of itself when the Chase was introduced. A lot of purist fans were really hot (read: ticked off) that Brian "Brainless" France thought this would make it more exciting. Well, it kinda was, that is until the big boys with Ring in the Fishbowl, okay, TOYOTA, began running rough shod. And, of course, Kurt Busch's radio tirades while he was at Penske, and the Jeremy Mayfield drug test debacle. That really irked me.

NASCAR introduced the Chase in 2004. A Toyota driver did not win the championship until 2015. That is hardly "running rough shod".
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 17, 2020, 03:13:59 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2020, 08:07:14 AM
The unintended consequence of having that system is that you'll have the top teams playing even more creampuff schedules than they do now.  Group of 5 teams will be playing all their nonconference games against FCS opponents just to increase their chances of being undefeated.  The only way I would approve of expanding the playoff to 8 teams is to impose the following conditions.

1) To be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 12 FBS opponents.  An exception can be made for a team that scheduled 12 FBS opponents but had one game cancelled due to weather.

2) For a Power 5 team or ND to be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 10 other Power 5/ND teams.  Again an exception can be made for a game cancelled due to weather.
Since all P5 Conferences play at least 8 Regularly Scheduled Conference games, and have a Championship game, that is at least 9 P5 games against other members of your conference, with at least 8 different opponents, as Championship games can be repeat opponents

The way I read 2), is not just 10 games vs others in the P5, but 10 unique opponents. Assuming the Conference Title game is not a Rematch, many of the P5 Conferences already do this...SEC is sticking to 8 SEC games and the Big 12 has to have a repeat Title Game opponent since they play a Round Robin Football schedule. Pretty sure Big Ten, ACC, and Pac 12 are already here

The ACC requires every school to play at least one non-conference game against a "Power 5" team. Notre Dame and BYU count as "Power 5" under ACC rules. So do ACC teams–two schools can schedule a game against each other outside the regular eight-game conference schedule if they want. Wake Forest and Chapel Hill did that this past season. The game didn't count in the conference standings.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on January 20, 2020, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
The ACC requires every school to play at least one non-conference game against a "Power 5" team. Notre Dame and BYU count as "Power 5" under ACC rules. So do ACC teams–two schools can schedule a game against each other outside the regular eight-game conference schedule if they want. Wake Forest and Chapel Hill did that this past season. The game didn't count in the conference standings.

Aren't most of those either in-state rivalries or something TV wants? Kentucky-Louisville was, for years, played early in the season. UK always closed its year out with Tennessee. Tennessee played Vandy to close its season the following week. When Louisville joined the ACC, TV interests got the game moved to the season finale, and the Tennessee game comes closer to the middle of the season now.

In North Carolina's case, do they have any Power 5 in-state options that aren't in the ACC? Clemson has South Carolina to play every year. Georgia Tech can play Georgia. And I presume Florida State, Miami, and Florida all play each other every year like they used to.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 05:35:23 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 20, 2020, 04:58:32 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
The ACC requires every school to play at least one non-conference game against a "Power 5" team. Notre Dame and BYU count as "Power 5" under ACC rules. So do ACC teams–two schools can schedule a game against each other outside the regular eight-game conference schedule if they want. Wake Forest and Chapel Hill did that this past season. The game didn't count in the conference standings.

Aren't most of those either in-state rivalries or something TV wants? Kentucky-Louisville was, for years, played early in the season. UK always closed its year out with Tennessee. Tennessee played Vandy to close its season the following week. When Louisville joined the ACC, TV interests got the game moved to the season finale, and the Tennessee game comes closer to the middle of the season now.

In North Carolina's case, do they have any Power 5 in-state options that aren't in the ACC? Clemson has South Carolina to play every year. Georgia Tech can play Georgia. And I presume Florida State, Miami, and Florida all play each other every year like they used to.

Chapel Hill does not have an in-state Power 5 opponent other than ACC schools (this year, I know they have a game against Auburn in Atlanta in early September). Among other ACC members, neither do UVA (I know we play Georgia in Atlanta on September 7), VPI (I believe they host Penn State this year), Boston College, or Syracuse. Notre Dame provides an automatic Power 5 opponent every two or three years (as part of their deal to join the ACC for everything except football and hockey, they committed to playing five ACC football opponents every year).

FSU and Miami are permanent cross-division opponents in the ACC. I know FSU and UF play every year. Don't know whether Miami and UF play regularly. (Edited to add: Miami won't play UF this year. Their big non-conference game is at Michigan State on September 26.)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 20, 2020, 08:23:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 05:35:23 PM
FSU and Miami are permanent cross-division opponents in the ACC. I know FSU and UF play every year.
FSU and Miami also play each other every year, usually around the 6th or 7th week; it dated back when both were independents. UF and FSU square off traditionally on "rivaly week"; either the weekend before or after Thanksgiving.

Quote
Don't know whether Miami and UF play regularly. (Edited to add: Miami won't play UF this year. Their big non-conference game is at Michigan State on September 26.)

That used to be a bigger rivalry, and it mostly ended after 1987. It's been an on-again/off-again deal where they play each other a few times, and then not again for 5-10 years. Gator fans say Miami had to prepare for more in-conference play once they joined the Big East, and Miami fans say UF wants a weaker schedule.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 09:47:08 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 20, 2020, 08:23:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 05:35:23 PM
FSU and Miami are permanent cross-division opponents in the ACC. I know FSU and UF play every year.
FSU and Miami also play each other every year, usually around the 6th or 7th week ....

That's what "permanent cross-division opponents" means. Since the ACC expanded to 14 teams split into two seven-team divisions, the scheduling model has you play all the other teams in your division every year (that's six games), one permanent opponent from the other division that you play every year, and one rotating opponent from the other division.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 20, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 09:47:08 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 20, 2020, 08:23:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 05:35:23 PM
FSU and Miami are permanent cross-division opponents in the ACC. I know FSU and UF play every year.
FSU and Miami also play each other every year, usually around the 6th or 7th week ....

That’s what "permanent cross-division opponents" means. Since the ACC expanded to 14 teams split into two seven-team divisions, the scheduling model has you play all the other teams in your division every year (that’s six games), one permanent opponent from the other division that you play every year, and one rotating opponent from the other division.

which is why in the SEC you get BS like Alabama playing Tennessee while Auburn has to play Georgia.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Verlanka on January 21, 2020, 05:04:26 AM
Quote from: spooky on January 20, 2020, 07:07:07 AM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on January 19, 2020, 05:25:31 PM
I think what annoys me the most is how NASCAR just ripped the purism out of itself when the Chase was introduced. A lot of purist fans were really hot (read: ticked off) that Brian "Brainless" France thought this would make it more exciting. Well, it kinda was, that is until the big boys with Ring in the Fishbowl, okay, TOYOTA, began running rough shod. And, of course, Kurt Busch's radio tirades while he was at Penske, and the Jeremy Mayfield drug test debacle. That really irked me.

NASCAR introduced the Chase in 2004. A Toyota driver did not win the championship until 2015. That is hardly "running rough shod".
Toyota did win a lot starting in 2008 or so.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Eth on January 21, 2020, 08:36:05 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 20, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 09:47:08 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 20, 2020, 08:23:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 20, 2020, 05:35:23 PM
FSU and Miami are permanent cross-division opponents in the ACC. I know FSU and UF play every year.
FSU and Miami also play each other every year, usually around the 6th or 7th week ....

That's what "permanent cross-division opponents" means. Since the ACC expanded to 14 teams split into two seven-team divisions, the scheduling model has you play all the other teams in your division every year (that's six games), one permanent opponent from the other division that you play every year, and one rotating opponent from the other division.

which is why in the SEC you get BS like Alabama playing Tennessee while Auburn has to play Georgia.

There have been rumblings lately of potential changes in this scheduling model. I think the Big 12's recent reintroduction of its championship game while eschewing the divisional structure is leading to other conferences reevaluating their setups.

Personally I like the idea (in a 14-team conference) of everyone having five designated annual opponents (which should be plenty to preserve any remotely important conference rivalries) and facing the other eight teams once every two years (so four each year) as part of a nine-game schedule. Helps to balance things out a little bit more (being the only Coastal Division team that has to play Clemson every year really sucks) and also means anyone who stays a full four years gets to play in every stadium in the conference.

Most of this has all just been speculation or wishful thinking so far, but I swear I saw something about a week ago suggesting that the SEC in particular was starting to look into the idea. I don't remember where I read that though, so my brain could just be making that up.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on January 21, 2020, 09:49:18 AM
RE:  NASCAR, Brian "Baby"  France, and the idiotic chase.

Before the idiotic chase, the season championship was ONE MEASURE of who had the best year.  ONE THING.  There were other things, including the historic events, wins, popularity.  Et al.  Then Baby listened to empty suit network execs who had no understanding of NASCAR and contempt for the type of people who liked NASCAR.  And hence the idiotic chase.  Before it, "who won the race"  was what was important, every week.  The championship was not really discussed until the last week or two.  Now, the results of the race DO NOT MATTER.  All that matters is qualifying for an idiotic chase to be held months later in a different part of the country.  An idiotic chase which, despite yearly changes to its idiotic format, produces a RANDOM "champion"  with no relationship to who had the best year.

Told that the race results do not matter, and combined with other idiotic changes (head in a harness, no racing back to the caution, spec cars with no relationship to stock and no dissimilarities from one another other than a few stickers, unqualified rich kid drivers, "rovals" , segments, etc) the fans stayed away.

In the history of sport NO OTHER SPORT has suffered a decline in TV terms and live gate terms like NASCAR has.  NO OTHER SPORT EVER.  Because its wounds are self-inflicted.

And, sadly, even with Baby gone to DUI purgatory, the crew running things still do not get it and continue with the idiocy.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: roadman on January 21, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
This past weekend demonstrated one thing that bothers me about NFL football.  The winning team gains possession of the ball with well over a minute left to go, and they declare the game over and let the clock run down.  And this happened not once, but twice.

Is it TOO much trouble to require the teams to actually play the full length of the game?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2020, 10:30:32 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 21, 2020, 09:49:18 AM
RE:  NASCAR, Brian "Baby"  France, and the idiotic chase.

Before the idiotic chase, the season championship was ONE MEASURE of who had the best year.  ONE THING.  There were other things, including the historic events, wins, popularity.  Et al.  Then Baby listened to empty suit network execs who had no understanding of NASCAR and contempt for the type of people who liked NASCAR.  And hence the idiotic chase.  Before it, "who won the race"  was what was important, every week.  The championship was not really discussed until the last week or two.  Now, the results of the race DO NOT MATTER.  All that matters is qualifying for an idiotic chase to be held months later in a different part of the country.  An idiotic chase which, despite yearly changes to its idiotic format, produces a RANDOM "champion"  with no relationship to who had the best year.

Told that the race results do not matter, and combined with other idiotic changes (head in a harness, no racing back to the caution, spec cars with no relationship to stock and no dissimilarities from one another other than a few stickers, unqualified rich kid drivers, "rovals" , segments, etc) the fans stayed away.

In the history of sport NO OTHER SPORT has suffered a decline in TV terms and live gate terms like NASCAR has.  NO OTHER SPORT EVER.  Because its wounds are self-inflicted.

And, sadly, even with Baby gone to DUI purgatory, the crew running things still do not get it and continue with the idiocy.

You're all aware that the point system in what became Winston Cup (Grand National) changed frequently before the 1970s?   I thought that I'd throw that out there because everyone seems to be under the impression that point systems in NASCAR have ever had Historic stability.  The longest NASCAR ever had a consistent point system is from 1975 to the Chase era when the modern points system was adopted first with Chase itself and then in 2014.  The biggest issue NASCAR and all Motorsports have now is they having an aged viewership.  Younger people tend not to be into Motorsports like Baby Boomers and the Gen-X crowds were.  At this point it's pretty much inevitable that NASCAR will return to being a niche sport. 

What I did like about the 1975 point system is that it rewarded finishing well and punished bad race results.  That's how Jeff Gordon ended up losing to Terry Labonte in 1996, he had a ton of wins but kept having bad finishes too.  I'm all for adding extra points for a win but things certainly had an sense of legitimacy in terms of who the champion was before the Chase era. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 21, 2020, 10:52:26 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 21, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
This past weekend demonstrated one thing that bothers me about NFL football.  The winning team gains possession of the ball with well over a minute left to go, and they declare the game over and let the clock run down.  And this happened not once, but twice.

Is it TOO much trouble to require the teams to actually play the full length of the game?

No taking a knee in the last two minutes, I love it.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: GaryV on January 21, 2020, 10:54:01 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 21, 2020, 10:52:26 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 21, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
This past weekend demonstrated one thing that bothers me about NFL football.  The winning team gains possession of the ball with well over a minute left to go, and they declare the game over and let the clock run down.  And this happened not once, but twice.

Is it TOO much trouble to require the teams to actually play the full length of the game?

No taking a knee in the last two minutes, I love it.
So take the snap and "fall down by mistake" instead.  Yeah, that'll work.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kurumi on January 21, 2020, 11:17:51 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 21, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
This past weekend demonstrated one thing that bothers me about NFL football.  The winning team gains possession of the ball with well over a minute left to go, and they declare the game over and let the clock run down.  And this happened not once, but twice.

Is it TOO much trouble to require the teams to actually play the full length of the game?

If there are about 11 to 15 minutes of actual play, how about having a game be 15 minutes long. Clock starts at the snap. There's a separate 20-30 second clock where you need to get to the next snap or have a delay of game; but that clock is not the game clock.

It would change the game a lot though.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on January 21, 2020, 11:22:42 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2020, 10:30:32 AM
You're all aware that the point system in what became Winston Cup (Grand National) changed frequently before the 1970s? 

Yes, they changed it many times, until coming up with the perfection that was the legitimate points system of the Winston Cup era.


QuoteThe longest NASCAR ever had a consistent point system is from 1975 to the Chase era when the modern points system was adopted first with Chase itself and then in 2014.

In other words, the era when the sport grew from rural southern obscurity into a national sport second only, by some measures, to the NFL? 


QuoteThe biggest issue NASCAR and all Motorsports have now is they having an aged viewership.  Younger people tend not to be into Motorsports like Baby Boomers and the Gen-X crowds were.  At this point it's pretty much inevitable that NASCAR will return to being a niche sport. 

Winners, win; and losers make excuses.  Nope.  NOTHING about the unprecedented in the entire history of all sports (NASCAR has bled about 3/4ths of its fan base in less than 20 years) is "inevitable" .  Rather it is self-inflicted.  Idiotic changes to a system that WAS NOT BROKEN. 

The "generational"  excuse is nice.  Except there is no evidence whatsoever to support it.  Rather than "dying off"  the vast majority of previous NASCAR fans have simply walked away from rovals, heads in harnesses, segments, spec-mobiles, races where the winner does not matter, no racing back to the caution, unqualified rich kid drivers, and, most of all, the idiotic chase.  The worst idea in the history of motorsports.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Buck87 on January 21, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 21, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
This past weekend demonstrated one thing that bothers me about NFL football.  The winning team gains possession of the ball with well over a minute left to go, and they declare the game over and let the clock run down.  And this happened not once, but twice.

Is it TOO much trouble to require the teams to actually play the full length of the game?

I don't see a problem here. Possession control and clock management are part of the game, and if a team if a team is in a position to run out the clock and secure victory why shouldn't they be able to take advantage of it?

What are you suggesting they be forced to do instead?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2020, 12:04:47 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 21, 2020, 11:22:42 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2020, 10:30:32 AM
You're all aware that the point system in what became Winston Cup (Grand National) changed frequently before the 1970s? 

Yes, they changed it many times, until coming up with the perfection that was the legitimate points system of the Winston Cup era.


QuoteThe longest NASCAR ever had a consistent point system is from 1975 to the Chase era when the modern points system was adopted first with Chase itself and then in 2014.

In other words, the era when the sport grew from rural southern obscurity into a national sport second only, by some measures, to the NFL? 


QuoteThe biggest issue NASCAR and all Motorsports have now is they having an aged viewership.  Younger people tend not to be into Motorsports like Baby Boomers and the Gen-X crowds were.  At this point it's pretty much inevitable that NASCAR will return to being a niche sport. 

Winners, win; and losers make excuses.  Nope.  NOTHING about the unprecedented in the entire history of all sports (NASCAR has bled about 3/4ths of its fan base in less than 20 years) is "inevitable" .  Rather it is self-inflicted.  Idiotic changes to a system that WAS NOT BROKEN. 

The "generational"  excuse is nice.  Except there is no evidence whatsoever to support it.  Rather than "dying off"  the vast majority of previous NASCAR fans have simply walked away from rovals, heads in harnesses, segments, spec-mobiles, races where the winner does not matter, no racing back to the caution, unqualified rich kid drivers, and, most of all, the idiotic chase.  The worst idea in the history of motorsports.

What other forms of Motorsports are doing well in the United States right now in terms of getting national attention?  20-30 years ago racing leagues line the IRL, CART, F1, and NHRA all some form of national following they border on main stream.  I would argue that open wheel racing was bigger than NASCAR until the 1980s even.  I'm not saying the whole thing is generational but it's undeniably a factor with Motorsports in general.  NASCAR attracted a lot of fans by being a rough around the edges sport that wasn't filled with politically correct drivers.  The problem is now all the drivers are carbon copies of each other and it's boring to get behind any of them as a fan.  It definitely doesn't help that there was crap like the movie to completely spec cars that shunned the people who actually had a stake in what the automakers were doing.  Yeah the Chase isn't great but it's just a part of an overall problem with NASCAR and Motorsports I general. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on January 21, 2020, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 20, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
which is why in the SEC you get BS like Alabama playing Tennessee while Auburn has to play Georgia.

Why is that BS? Alabama and Tennessee are huge border-state rivals. Most UT football fans I know hate 'Bama more than any other team -- more than UK, more than Vandy, more than Georgia or Florida.

Quote from: SP Cook on January 21, 2020, 11:22:42 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2020, 10:30:32 AM
You're all aware that the point system in what became Winston Cup (Grand National) changed frequently before the 1970s? 

Yes, they changed it many times, until coming up with the perfection that was the legitimate points system of the Winston Cup era.


QuoteThe longest NASCAR ever had a consistent point system is from 1975 to the Chase era when the modern points system was adopted first with Chase itself and then in 2014.

In other words, the era when the sport grew from rural southern obscurity into a national sport second only, by some measures, to the NFL? 


QuoteThe biggest issue NASCAR and all Motorsports have now is they having an aged viewership.  Younger people tend not to be into Motorsports like Baby Boomers and the Gen-X crowds were.  At this point it's pretty much inevitable that NASCAR will return to being a niche sport. 

Winners, win; and losers make excuses.  Nope.  NOTHING about the unprecedented in the entire history of all sports (NASCAR has bled about 3/4ths of its fan base in less than 20 years) is "inevitable" .  Rather it is self-inflicted.  Idiotic changes to a system that WAS NOT BROKEN. 

The "generational"  excuse is nice.  Except there is no evidence whatsoever to support it.  Rather than "dying off"  the vast majority of previous NASCAR fans have simply walked away from rovals, heads in harnesses, segments, spec-mobiles, races where the winner does not matter, no racing back to the caution, unqualified rich kid drivers, and, most of all, the idiotic chase.  The worst idea in the history of motorsports.

"Days of Thunder" probably had a lot to do with NASCAR's rise in popularity. I wasn't into the races back in 1989, but became a fan in the early 90s. My dad had started watching NASCAR so I watched the races with him on Sunday afternoons. But I agree, the on-track product isn't the same anymore. I much preferred how it was before the Chase. I have never been able to figure out whether it's the on-track product or the economy that's caused so many empty seats at the tracks. It's a combination of both. Once upon a time, hotels as far away as Pikeville and Prestonsburg filled up on Bristol weekends. Now, even the famous night race isn't a sellout. But when cheap motels in the tri-cities area charge $300 a night with a two-night minimum, what do you expect?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on January 21, 2020, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 21, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 21, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
This past weekend demonstrated one thing that bothers me about NFL football.  The winning team gains possession of the ball with well over a minute left to go, and they declare the game over and let the clock run down.  And this happened not once, but twice.

Is it TOO much trouble to require the teams to actually play the full length of the game?

I don't see a problem here. Possession control and clock management are part of the game, and if a team if a team is in a position to run out the clock and secure victory why shouldn't they be able to take advantage of it?

What are you suggesting they be forced to do instead?

I agree. I don't see why it matters. A team has a lead and the other team is unable to stop the clock, so the prudent thing to do is to play conservatively and avoid turning over the ball. Taking a knee is an ideal way to do that. Regarding the coaches and players coming out on the field before the clock hits 0:00, that's fine because the play clock tells you whether there'll be any need to run another play. If the game clock will expire before the play clock requires the ball to be snapped, then why shouldn't they all view the game as being over? (This is sort of the same reason why sudden-death overtime doesn't strike me as an enormous problem in football: Defense is part of the game. While the team that gets the ball first has an advantage, part of the game is stopping that team from scoring.)

I'd rather see a football team taking a knee to protect the lead than what happens sometimes in basketball where a team is trailing by something like 25 points with 20 seconds to play but they continue to foul in a delusional hope the other team will miss the free throws and they'll turn around and score quickly and mount a comeback. It sometimes takes the better part of half an hour to play the final two minutes of a basketball game.




Quote from: hbelkins on January 21, 2020, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 20, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
which is why in the SEC you get BS like Alabama playing Tennessee while Auburn has to play Georgia.

Why is that BS? Alabama and Tennessee are huge border-state rivals. Most UT football fans I know hate 'Bama more than any other team -- more than UK, more than Vandy, more than Georgia or Florida.

I assumed part of what he dislikes is that some teams wind up with more difficult permanent cross-division opponents than others. Consider the ACC as an example. Georgia Tech's permanent Atlantic Division opponent is Clemson. Duke's permanent Atlantic Division opponent is Wake Forest. I can see why some people would grumble about that being a serious disadvantage for Georgia Tech. Unfortunately, an unbalanced schedule is inherent with expansion, and any time you have an unbalanced schedule you get fairness questions of that sort.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 21, 2020, 01:29:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2020, 10:30:32 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 21, 2020, 09:49:18 AM
RE:  NASCAR, Brian “Baby” France, and the idiotic chase.

Before the idiotic chase, the season championship was ONE MEASURE of who had the best year.  ONE THING.  There were other things, including the historic events, wins, popularity.  Et al.  Then Baby listened to empty suit network execs who had no understanding of NASCAR and contempt for the type of people who liked NASCAR.  And hence the idiotic chase.  Before it, “who won the race” was what was important, every week.  The championship was not really discussed until the last week or two.  Now, the results of the race DO NOT MATTER.  All that matters is qualifying for an idiotic chase to be held months later in a different part of the country.  An idiotic chase which, despite yearly changes to its idiotic format, produces a RANDOM “champion” with no relationship to who had the best year.

Told that the race results do not matter, and combined with other idiotic changes (head in a harness, no racing back to the caution, spec cars with no relationship to stock and no dissimilarities from one another other than a few stickers, unqualified rich kid drivers, “rovals”, segments, etc) the fans stayed away.

In the history of sport NO OTHER SPORT has suffered a decline in TV terms and live gate terms like NASCAR has.  NO OTHER SPORT EVER.  Because its wounds are self-inflicted.

And, sadly, even with Baby gone to DUI purgatory, the crew running things still do not get it and continue with the idiocy.

You’re all aware that the point system in what became Winston Cup (Grand National) changed frequently before the 1970s?   I thought that I’d throw that out there because everyone seems to be under the impression that point systems in NASCAR have ever had Historic stability.  The longest NASCAR ever had a consistent point system is from 1975 to the Chase era when the modern points system was adopted first with Chase itself and then in 2014.  The biggest issue NASCAR and all Motorsports have now is they having an aged viewership.  Younger people tend not to be into Motorsports like Baby Boomers and the Gen-X crowds were.  At this point it’s pretty much inevitable that NASCAR will return to being a niche sport. 

What I did like about the 1975 point system is that it rewarded finishing well and punished bad race results.  That’s how Jeff Gordon ended up losing to Terry Labonte in 1996, he had a ton of wins but kept having bad finishes too.  I’m all for adding extra points for a win but things certainly had an sense of legitimacy in terms of who the champion was before the Chase era. 

I'd modify the scoring to 30-18-15-12-8-6-4-2-1, tossing in the point for most laps lead and any lap lead. That's 5 more than F1 does, to increase the importance of winning (especially in a close series).

What about those finishing outside the top 10? Enjoy the prize money, because that's all you're getting. And no Chase.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 21, 2020, 01:40:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2020, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 21, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 21, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
This past weekend demonstrated one thing that bothers me about NFL football.  The winning team gains possession of the ball with well over a minute left to go, and they declare the game over and let the clock run down.  And this happened not once, but twice.

Is it TOO much trouble to require the teams to actually play the full length of the game?

I don't see a problem here. Possession control and clock management are part of the game, and if a team if a team is in a position to run out the clock and secure victory why shouldn't they be able to take advantage of it?

What are you suggesting they be forced to do instead?

I agree. I don't see why it matters. A team has a lead and the other team is unable to stop the clock, so the prudent thing to do is to play conservatively and avoid turning over the ball. Taking a knee is an ideal way to do that. Regarding the coaches and players coming out on the field before the clock hits 0:00, that's fine because the play clock tells you whether there'll be any need to run another play. If the game clock will expire before the play clock requires the ball to be snapped, then why shouldn't they all view the game as being over? (This is sort of the same reason why sudden-death overtime doesn't strike me as an enormous problem in football: Defense is part of the game. While the team that gets the ball first has an advantage, part of the game is stopping that team from scoring.)

I'd rather see a football team taking a knee to protect the lead than what happens sometimes in basketball where a team is trailing by something like 25 points with 20 seconds to play but they continue to foul in a delusional hope the other team will miss the free throws and they'll turn around and score quickly and mount a comeback. It sometimes takes the better part of half an hour to play the final two minutes of a basketball game.




Quote from: hbelkins on January 21, 2020, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 20, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
which is why in the SEC you get BS like Alabama playing Tennessee while Auburn has to play Georgia.

Why is that BS? Alabama and Tennessee are huge border-state rivals. Most UT football fans I know hate 'Bama more than any other team -- more than UK, more than Vandy, more than Georgia or Florida.

I assumed part of what he dislikes is that some teams wind up with more difficult permanent cross-division opponents than others. Consider the ACC as an example. Georgia Tech's permanent Atlantic Division opponent is Clemson. Duke's permanent Atlantic Division opponent is Wake Forest. I can see why some people would grumble about that being a serious disadvantage for Georgia Tech. Unfortunately, an unbalanced schedule is inherent with expansion, and any time you have an unbalanced schedule you get fairness questions of that sort.

I'd love to see a team hike the ball and the QB starts running around in circles to kill a bunch of time

Alabama always squashes Tennessee, Tennessee sucks. Their crossover should be someone more capable.  Put Auburn in the east and Missouri in the west and make the Iron Bowl the crossover.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2020, 01:56:21 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 21, 2020, 01:29:20 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 21, 2020, 10:30:32 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 21, 2020, 09:49:18 AM
RE:  NASCAR, Brian "Baby"  France, and the idiotic chase.

Before the idiotic chase, the season championship was ONE MEASURE of who had the best year.  ONE THING.  There were other things, including the historic events, wins, popularity.  Et al.  Then Baby listened to empty suit network execs who had no understanding of NASCAR and contempt for the type of people who liked NASCAR.  And hence the idiotic chase.  Before it, "who won the race"  was what was important, every week.  The championship was not really discussed until the last week or two.  Now, the results of the race DO NOT MATTER.  All that matters is qualifying for an idiotic chase to be held months later in a different part of the country.  An idiotic chase which, despite yearly changes to its idiotic format, produces a RANDOM "champion"  with no relationship to who had the best year.

Told that the race results do not matter, and combined with other idiotic changes (head in a harness, no racing back to the caution, spec cars with no relationship to stock and no dissimilarities from one another other than a few stickers, unqualified rich kid drivers, "rovals" , segments, etc) the fans stayed away.

In the history of sport NO OTHER SPORT has suffered a decline in TV terms and live gate terms like NASCAR has.  NO OTHER SPORT EVER.  Because its wounds are self-inflicted.

And, sadly, even with Baby gone to DUI purgatory, the crew running things still do not get it and continue with the idiocy.

You're all aware that the point system in what became Winston Cup (Grand National) changed frequently before the 1970s?   I thought that I'd throw that out there because everyone seems to be under the impression that point systems in NASCAR have ever had Historic stability.  The longest NASCAR ever had a consistent point system is from 1975 to the Chase era when the modern points system was adopted first with Chase itself and then in 2014.  The biggest issue NASCAR and all Motorsports have now is they having an aged viewership.  Younger people tend not to be into Motorsports like Baby Boomers and the Gen-X crowds were.  At this point it's pretty much inevitable that NASCAR will return to being a niche sport. 

What I did like about the 1975 point system is that it rewarded finishing well and punished bad race results.  That's how Jeff Gordon ended up losing to Terry Labonte in 1996, he had a ton of wins but kept having bad finishes too.  I'm all for adding extra points for a win but things certainly had an sense of legitimacy in terms of who the champion was before the Chase era. 

I'd modify the scoring to 30-18-15-12-8-6-4-2-1, tossing in the point for most laps lead and any lap lead. That's 5 more than F1 does, to increase the importance of winning (especially in a close series).

What about those finishing outside the top 10? Enjoy the prize money, because that's all you're getting. And no Chase.

One of the things I liked about the Point System CART used was that it had a heavy emphasis on winning but also awarded things like a point for getting the pole.  By default the 1975 system should have had a base 190 points awarded for a win rather than 175.  I didn't really care for getting 5 points for leading a lap in the 1975 system but I did like that driver who led the most laps got a bonus. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on January 21, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 21, 2020, 01:40:11 PM

Alabama always squashes Tennessee, Tennessee sucks. Their crossover should be someone more capable.  Put Auburn in the east and Missouri in the west and make the Iron Bowl the crossover.

I wondered if perhaps the current state of Tennessee football had something to do with the comment.  :-D

Instead of East and West divisions, I've sometimes thought about North and South divisions. UK, Mizzou, Tennessee, Vandy, Georgia, South Carolina, and Arkansas in the north. A&M, LSU, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Florida in the South.

Regarding the NASCAR points system, and the reference to CART above, the old system gave a point for leading a lap and a point for leading the most laps. I wouldn't have minded a point for winning the pole.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 21, 2020, 10:06:06 PM
yes Florida for Arkansas would accomplish the same thing
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SSOWorld on January 22, 2020, 05:29:39 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 21, 2020, 12:31:15 PM
Quote from: Buck87 on January 21, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
Quote from: roadman on January 21, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
This past weekend demonstrated one thing that bothers me about NFL football.  The winning team gains possession of the ball with well over a minute left to go, and they declare the game over and let the clock run down.  And this happened not once, but twice.

Is it TOO much trouble to require the teams to actually play the full length of the game?

I don't see a problem here. Possession control and clock management are part of the game, and if a team if a team is in a position to run out the clock and secure victory why shouldn't they be able to take advantage of it?

What are you suggesting they be forced to do instead?

I agree. I don't see why it matters. A team has a lead and the other team is unable to stop the clock, so the prudent thing to do is to play conservatively and avoid turning over the ball. Taking a knee is an ideal way to do that. Regarding the coaches and players coming out on the field before the clock hits 0:00, that's fine because the play clock tells you whether there'll be any need to run another play. If the game clock will expire before the play clock requires the ball to be snapped, then why shouldn't they all view the game as being over? (This is sort of the same reason why sudden-death overtime doesn't strike me as an enormous problem in football: Defense is part of the game. While the team that gets the ball first has an advantage, part of the game is stopping that team from scoring.)

I'd rather see a football team taking a knee to protect the lead than what happens sometimes in basketball where a team is trailing by something like 25 points with 20 seconds to play but they continue to foul in a delusional hope the other team will miss the free throws and they'll turn around and score quickly and mount a comeback. It sometimes takes the better part of half an hour to play the final two minutes of a basketball game.




Quote from: hbelkins on January 21, 2020, 12:22:52 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 20, 2020, 10:08:12 PM
which is why in the SEC you get BS like Alabama playing Tennessee while Auburn has to play Georgia.

Why is that BS? Alabama and Tennessee are huge border-state rivals. Most UT football fans I know hate 'Bama more than any other team -- more than UK, more than Vandy, more than Georgia or Florida.

I assumed part of what he dislikes is that some teams wind up with more difficult permanent cross-division opponents than others. Consider the ACC as an example. Georgia Tech's permanent Atlantic Division opponent is Clemson. Duke's permanent Atlantic Division opponent is Wake Forest. I can see why some people would grumble about that being a serious disadvantage for Georgia Tech. Unfortunately, an unbalanced schedule is inherent with expansion, and any time you have an unbalanced schedule you get fairness questions of that sort.
THIS is why!! (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/28534201/late-block-sparks-brawl-kansas-kansas-state)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 22, 2020, 01:29:37 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 17, 2020, 03:13:59 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 16, 2020, 08:07:14 AM
The unintended consequence of having that system is that you'll have the top teams playing even more creampuff schedules than they do now.  Group of 5 teams will be playing all their nonconference games against FCS opponents just to increase their chances of being undefeated.  The only way I would approve of expanding the playoff to 8 teams is to impose the following conditions.

1) To be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 12 FBS opponents.  An exception can be made for a team that scheduled 12 FBS opponents but had one game cancelled due to weather.

2) For a Power 5 team or ND to be eligible for the playoff, you must play at least 10 other Power 5/ND teams.  Again an exception can be made for a game cancelled due to weather.
Since all P5 Conferences play at least 8 Regularly Scheduled Conference games, and have a Championship game, that is at least 9 P5 games against other members of your conference, with at least 8 different opponents, as Championship games can be repeat opponents

The way I read 2), is not just 10 games vs others in the P5, but 10 unique opponents. Assuming the Conference Title game is not a Rematch, many of the P5 Conferences already do this...SEC is sticking to 8 SEC games and the Big 12 has to have a repeat Title Game opponent since they play a Round Robin Football schedule. Pretty sure Big Ten, ACC, and Pac 12 are already here

If you are a P5 team that plays an 8 game conference schedule, you have to have 2 of your nonconference games against P5 teams.  Not everybody does that currently.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 22, 2020, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 21, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 21, 2020, 01:40:11 PM

Alabama always squashes Tennessee, Tennessee sucks. Their crossover should be someone more capable.  Put Auburn in the east and Missouri in the west and make the Iron Bowl the crossover.

I wondered if perhaps the current state of Tennessee football had something to do with the comment.  :-D

Instead of East and West divisions, I've sometimes thought about North and South divisions. UK, Mizzou, Tennessee, Vandy, Georgia, South Carolina, and Arkansas in the north. A&M, LSU, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Florida in the South.

Regarding the NASCAR points system, and the reference to CART above, the old system gave a point for leading a lap and a point for leading the most laps. I wouldn't have minded a point for winning the pole.

I like the idea of football conferences eliminating divisions, having schedules that rotate in all conference teams, and having the top 2 play in the conference championship game.  You pretty much eliminate the 11-1 team not playing in its conference championship game and yet having a compelling case for a playoff spot.

I'm not a fan of the NASCAR playoff system, but the biggest thing that has bothered me about NASCAR is that a lap down car gets back on the lead lap at every yellow flag.  Makes it too easy to recover from a problem. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 22, 2020, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 22, 2020, 01:36:10 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 21, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 21, 2020, 01:40:11 PM

Alabama always squashes Tennessee, Tennessee sucks. Their crossover should be someone more capable.  Put Auburn in the east and Missouri in the west and make the Iron Bowl the crossover.

I wondered if perhaps the current state of Tennessee football had something to do with the comment.  :-D

Instead of East and West divisions, I've sometimes thought about North and South divisions. UK, Mizzou, Tennessee, Vandy, Georgia, South Carolina, and Arkansas in the north. A&M, LSU, Bama, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, and Florida in the South.

Regarding the NASCAR points system, and the reference to CART above, the old system gave a point for leading a lap and a point for leading the most laps. I wouldn't have minded a point for winning the pole.

I like the idea of football conferences eliminating divisions, having schedules that rotate in all conference teams, and having the top 2 play in the conference championship game.  You pretty much eliminate the 11-1 team not playing in its conference championship game and yet having a compelling case for a playoff spot.

I'm not a fan of the NASCAR playoff system, but the biggest thing that has bothered me about NASCAR is that a lap down car gets back on the lead lap at every yellow flag.  Makes it too easy to recover from a problem.

I think even the most causal NASCAR fans can agree that the "lucky dog"  system sucks compared to the previous race back to the yellow flag free for all.  It's just one of the many instances where safety interests have taken away from the fun factor in NASCAR competition.  Granted I didn't use to care for how the leader would dog it leisurely back to the start/finish line once the yellow was thrown which opened the door for a lot of drivers to get laps back. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on January 22, 2020, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 22, 2020, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 22, 2020, 01:36:10 PM
I'm not a fan of the NASCAR playoff system, but the biggest thing that has bothered me about NASCAR is that a lap down car gets back on the lead lap at every yellow flag.  Makes it too easy to recover from a problem.

I think even the most causal NASCAR fans can agree that the "lucky dog"  system sucks compared to the previous race back to the yellow flag free for all.  It's just one of the many instances where safety interests have taken away from the fun factor in NASCAR competition.  Granted I didn't use to care for how the leader would dog it leisurely back to the start/finish line once the yellow was thrown which opened the door for a lot of drivers to get laps back.
I don't watch much Nascar (the Daytona 500 is about it), but I like the rule. It creates competition for the drivers that have fallen behind, because they know they can get back in the race if they keep going hard. Otherwise, they would probably check out and forget about it when they go a lap down.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 22, 2020, 06:08:43 PM
Quote from: thspfc on January 22, 2020, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 22, 2020, 01:59:56 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 22, 2020, 01:36:10 PM
I'm not a fan of the NASCAR playoff system, but the biggest thing that has bothered me about NASCAR is that a lap down car gets back on the lead lap at every yellow flag.  Makes it too easy to recover from a problem.

I think even the most causal NASCAR fans can agree that the "lucky dog"  system sucks compared to the previous race back to the yellow flag free for all.  It's just one of the many instances where safety interests have taken away from the fun factor in NASCAR competition.  Granted I didn't use to care for how the leader would dog it leisurely back to the start/finish line once the yellow was thrown which opened the door for a lot of drivers to get laps back.
I don't watch much Nascar (the Daytona 500 is about it), but I like the rule. It creates competition for the drivers that have fallen behind, because they know they can get back in the race if they keep going hard. Otherwise, they would probably check out and forget about it when they go a lap down.

But they didn't, some of the best parts about old NASCAR races was when good cars got a lap down and spent a good portion of the race trying to get it back.  Everyone got up in arms about the practice of racing back to the flag under yellow  being unsafe which is the real reason it changed.  One of the big draws to racing is the aspect of danger and pushing a machine to it's limits.  Giving someone a free pass to get a lap back is weak sauce over having to earn it. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on January 23, 2020, 10:07:29 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 22, 2020, 01:59:56 PM

I think even the most causal NASCAR fans can agree that the "lucky dog"  system sucks compared to the previous race back to the yellow flag free for all.  It's just one of the many instances where safety interests have taken away from the fun factor in NASCAR competition.

Everyone always uses the "safety"  excuse when discussing the massive mistake that was eliminating racing back to the caution.  Nobody ever can cite any major, injury causing wreck during a race back to the caution. 

For one reason.  None ever happened.  Racing back to the caution was ultra-safe. 

Today, with the idiotic "lucky dog"  and robotic pit stops (new rules for 21 will all but eliminate pit stops under any time pressure at all) mean that as soon as the caution comes out, change the channel, make a sandwich, go to the toilet, take a walk, NOTHING of interest will happen in the race for the next 10 minutes. 

It is ironic that the current Fox ads for the Daytona 500 show highlights from previous years, most of which cannot happen under the current rules.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 23, 2020, 10:09:34 AM
How about when you throw the flag out everyone stops, refuels, hits the head.....boring to just watch them go in circles anyway.

Funny thing about nascar is watching on TV yellow flags and restarts are boring and in person its just the opposite
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on January 23, 2020, 02:17:54 PM
I watched an online replay of the 2001 spring Atlanta race last night. It was the one where Kevin Harvick won his first race in his fourth start after taking over when Dale Earnhardt got killed. He barely beat a hard-charging Jeff Gordon to the finish line. Gordon had been a lap down much of the race after running out of gas. Jerry Nadeau, about whom I'd totally forgotten, was his Hendrick teammate at the time. Nadeau was leading at the last caution and he practically stopped on the track to let Gordon get his lap back. Gordon pitted with the leaders and then ran up into the top 5. Harvick, Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, Gordon, and Dale Jr. were all running under a blanket with just a few laps to go until Junior cut down a tire, and DJ and Labonte faded.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on January 23, 2020, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 23, 2020, 02:17:54 PM
I watched an online replay of the 2001 spring Atlanta race last night. It was the one where Kevin Harvick won his first race in his fourth start after taking over when Dale Earnhardt got killed. He barely beat a hard-charging Jeff Gordon to the finish line. Gordon had been a lap down much of the race after running out of gas. Jerry Nadeau, about whom I'd totally forgotten, was his Hendrick teammate at the time. Nadeau was leading at the last caution and he practically stopped on the track to let Gordon get his lap back. Gordon pitted with the leaders and then ran up into the top 5. Harvick, Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, Gordon, and Dale Jr. were all running under a blanket with just a few laps to go until Junior cut down a tire, and DJ and Labonte faded.
That's annoying.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2020, 09:56:11 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 23, 2020, 10:09:34 AM
How about when you throw the flag out everyone stops, refuels, hits the head.....boring to just watch them go in circles anyway.

Funny thing about nascar is watching on TV yellow flags and restarts are boring and in person its just the opposite

It's hard to really understand how much power the cars have and the speed unless you are in person.  The top divisions of the NHRA are unbelievable in person, it feels like an explosion is going off in your face. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: thspfc on January 23, 2020, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 23, 2020, 02:17:54 PM
I watched an online replay of the 2001 spring Atlanta race last night. It was the one where Kevin Harvick won his first race in his fourth start after taking over when Dale Earnhardt got killed. He barely beat a hard-charging Jeff Gordon to the finish line. Gordon had been a lap down much of the race after running out of gas. Jerry Nadeau, about whom I'd totally forgotten, was his Hendrick teammate at the time. Nadeau was leading at the last caution and he practically stopped on the track to let Gordon get his lap back. Gordon pitted with the leaders and then ran up into the top 5. Harvick, Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, Gordon, and Dale Jr. were all running under a blanket with just a few laps to go until Junior cut down a tire, and DJ and Labonte faded.
That's annoying.

Team orders usually are a thing in most forms of motor sports, in NASCAR they mostly have been taboo.  I seem to recall that more really pissed a lot of fans off at the time. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on January 24, 2020, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: thspfc on January 23, 2020, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 23, 2020, 02:17:54 PM
I watched an online replay of the 2001 spring Atlanta race last night. It was the one where Kevin Harvick won his first race in his fourth start after taking over when Dale Earnhardt got killed. He barely beat a hard-charging Jeff Gordon to the finish line. Gordon had been a lap down much of the race after running out of gas. Jerry Nadeau, about whom I'd totally forgotten, was his Hendrick teammate at the time. Nadeau was leading at the last caution and he practically stopped on the track to let Gordon get his lap back. Gordon pitted with the leaders and then ran up into the top 5. Harvick, Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, Gordon, and Dale Jr. were all running under a blanket with just a few laps to go until Junior cut down a tire, and DJ and Labonte faded.
That's annoying.

Team orders usually are a thing in most forms of motor sports, in NASCAR they mostly have been taboo.  I seem to recall that more really pissed a lot of fans off at the time.

They're still a thing. Back then, it was "let your teammate get back on the lead lap." Now, it's "draft and pit with your teammate." But that's become more common of a thing with manufacturers as opposed to teams. Watch and see if all the Fords, Chevys, and Toyotas all try to pit at the same time at the Daytona 500.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2020, 03:49:26 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 24, 2020, 03:31:19 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2020, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: thspfc on January 23, 2020, 06:22:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 23, 2020, 02:17:54 PM
I watched an online replay of the 2001 spring Atlanta race last night. It was the one where Kevin Harvick won his first race in his fourth start after taking over when Dale Earnhardt got killed. He barely beat a hard-charging Jeff Gordon to the finish line. Gordon had been a lap down much of the race after running out of gas. Jerry Nadeau, about whom I'd totally forgotten, was his Hendrick teammate at the time. Nadeau was leading at the last caution and he practically stopped on the track to let Gordon get his lap back. Gordon pitted with the leaders and then ran up into the top 5. Harvick, Dale Jarrett, Bobby Labonte, Gordon, and Dale Jr. were all running under a blanket with just a few laps to go until Junior cut down a tire, and DJ and Labonte faded.
That's annoying.

Team orders usually are a thing in most forms of motor sports, in NASCAR they mostly have been taboo.  I seem to recall that more really pissed a lot of fans off at the time.

They're still a thing. Back then, it was "let your teammate get back on the lead lap." Now, it's "draft and pit with your teammate." But that's become more common of a thing with manufacturers as opposed to teams. Watch and see if all the Fords, Chevys, and Toyotas all try to pit at the same time at the Daytona 500.

At this point it would probably be a better race and debated safer just to yank those restrictor plates off.  I'm sure with the actual cars have no factory body panels these days that there could be some additional aerodynamic trickery that could be used to keep the cars on the track with additionally downforce.  Unfortunately the only thing that will break up the packs at plate tracks is to allow the cars to go fast enough where handling becomes a factor again.  When Bill Elliot was setting 212 MPH qualifying records handling was still at least a fringe variable at plate tracks, things like Bobby Allison almost ripping down the catch fence scared the hell out of everyone.  Even if the engine displacement was smaller it would just yield similar results to current plate racing, handling has be a factor.  One interesting proposal I saw once was to reduce the banking at Daytona and Talladega down to 20 degrees so the cars could run flat out. 

But to your point, the automakers have had a ton of influence over the last couple decades that could be considered "team orders."   Really it would be nice if their influence on things like engine building and promoting 3-4 car teams could be reduced.  The problem is the budge of a race team has risen so much it's hard to operate without automaker support anymore. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on January 24, 2020, 03:57:11 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2020, 09:56:11 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 23, 2020, 10:09:34 AM
How about when you throw the flag out everyone stops, refuels, hits the head.....boring to just watch them go in circles anyway.

Funny thing about nascar is watching on TV yellow flags and restarts are boring and in person its just the opposite

It's hard to really understand how much power the cars have and the speed unless you are in person.  The top divisions of the NHRA are unbelievable in person, it feels like an explosion is going off in your face. 

If you're interested, sign up for one of those events where you get to drive a race car around a speedway. My wife bought me a voucher to one of those several years ago and I drove a stock car around Richmond International Raceway. The power is astonishing, even in top gear. I'd love to try it again at one of the bigger speedways like Charlotte, Dover, or Daytona.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 24, 2020, 04:20:39 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 24, 2020, 03:57:11 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 23, 2020, 09:56:11 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 23, 2020, 10:09:34 AM
How about when you throw the flag out everyone stops, refuels, hits the head.....boring to just watch them go in circles anyway.

Funny thing about nascar is watching on TV yellow flags and restarts are boring and in person its just the opposite

It's hard to really understand how much power the cars have and the speed unless you are in person.  The top divisions of the NHRA are unbelievable in person, it feels like an explosion is going off in your face. 

If you're interested, sign up for one of those events where you get to drive a race car around a speedway. My wife bought me a voucher to one of those several years ago and I drove a stock car around Richmond International Raceway. The power is astonishing, even in top gear. I'd love to try it again at one of the bigger speedways like Charlotte, Dover, or Daytona.

What is really surprising about Stock Car engines is the torque is relatively low with the short stroke configuration they run.  Those engines are built to run at high RPMs and produce as much horsepower for maximum speed as possible.  The average 0-60 on a NASCAR Cup series car is about 4-4.5 seconds.  It's also pretty amazing that so few gears can get to over 200 MPH when some modern performance cars struggle to get there with 8 or more. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Scott5114 on January 31, 2020, 04:03:37 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 16, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
As for cheering for faraway teams rather than your local team...  For me...  Unless I personally know someone on the team, then I'm watching the sport for the sake of the game, not for the sake of the city.

It kind of depends on the city. Oklahoma City never had a major-league sports team before the Thunder. Fairly early on after they moved here, they had a season where they did very well and went far into the playoffs. Suddenly we had a bunch of people (celebrity sports fans, league officials, household-name players from teams that had already been eliminated) flying into OKC and staying downtown, that never had any reason to before. Local businesses downtown were suddenly catering to a whole class of well-to-do people of the sort that you just don't find in OKC on a regular basis. It definitely caused some reflection on what it must be like to be that sort of person experiencing OKC for the first time. I'd say it probably led to some businesses opening downtown because it was the first time it was really obvious how much the Thunder could do to bring people to the city.

So I'm not a basketball fan, but I do hope the Thunder do well because it would be good for the city for another event like that to happen. But, of course, in a larger city like NYC or Houston, a NBA playoff game just wouldn't move the needle like it did in OKC.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 31, 2020, 07:58:49 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 31, 2020, 04:03:37 AM
Quote from: kphoger on January 16, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
As for cheering for faraway teams rather than your local team...  For me...  Unless I personally know someone on the team, then I'm watching the sport for the sake of the game, not for the sake of the city.

It kind of depends on the city. Oklahoma City never had a major-league sports team before the Thunder. Fairly early on after they moved here, they had a season where they did very well and went far into the playoffs. Suddenly we had a bunch of people (celebrity sports fans, league officials, household-name players from teams that had already been eliminated) flying into OKC and staying downtown, that never had any reason to before. Local businesses downtown were suddenly catering to a whole class of well-to-do people of the sort that you just don't find in OKC on a regular basis. It definitely caused some reflection on what it must be like to be that sort of person experiencing OKC for the first time. I'd say it probably led to some businesses opening downtown because it was the first time it was really obvious how much the Thunder could do to bring people to the city.

So I'm not a basketball fan, but I do hope the Thunder do well because it would be good for the city for another event like that to happen. But, of course, in a larger city like NYC or Houston, a NBA playoff game just wouldn't move the needle like it did in OKC.

Interestingly when I lived in Phoenix I noticed there was an entrenched fan base of the Denver Broncos among the long time locals.  It turns out that the Broncos were the most popular team by a large margin before the Cardinals showed up.  I'd argue the Broncos were still more popular until the Cardinals made a Super Bowl run with Kurt Warner.  Oddly there were also a lot of Nebraska Cornhusker fans also.  I found that particularly odd since Arizona State had a lot of success in football in the late 20th Century. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on January 31, 2020, 09:49:38 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 31, 2020, 04:03:37 AM
But, of course, in a larger city like NYC or Houston, a NBA playoff game just wouldn't move the needle like it did in OKC.

Since you mentioned Houston, site of the Buffalo Bill's wild card game earlier this month, I'm obligated to point this out (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wherever-buffalo-bills-play-brewer-133708313.html).  :D
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 04, 2020, 10:12:54 PM
Quote from: roadman on January 21, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
This past weekend demonstrated one thing that bothers me about NFL football.  The winning team gains possession of the ball with well over a minute left to go, and they declare the game over and let the clock run down.  And this happened not once, but twice.

Is it TOO much trouble to require the teams to actually play the full length of the game?

What a hate is basketball and the constant fouling at the end. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on February 10, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
Disrespecting a sport without bothering to understand how it works always grates me. It's fine if you dislike "foreign sports", but don't bring out the untrue (and sometimes racist) tropes that come along with it.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 11, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
Quote from: Bruce on February 10, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
Disrespecting a sport without bothering to understand how it works always grates me. It's fine if you dislike "foreign sports", but don't bring out the untrue (and sometimes racist) tropes that come along with it.

I'm racist because I hate soccer?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on February 11, 2020, 10:34:06 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 11, 2020, 10:03:16 AM
Quote from: Bruce on February 10, 2020, 08:07:49 PM
Disrespecting a sport without bothering to understand how it works always grates me. It's fine if you dislike "foreign sports", but don't bring out the untrue (and sometimes racist) tropes that come along with it.

I'm racist because I hate soccer?

I guess I'm a racist too, because I hate soccer.

I also hate hockey and golf. Those are mostly white people's sports. Trying to figure out what that makes me, a self-loather?

I find watching soccer, hockey, and golf to be incredibly boring.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on February 11, 2020, 10:52:22 AM
I don't know any "racist"  tropes vis the vast majority of Americans and Canadians who ignore the pointless sport of soccer.  The only "racist"  themes I see in soccer are the openly racial cheers that are common from soccer loving European fans towards non-white players. 

While on the subject of soccer:

- I really object to the idea that soccer is this "world"  sport.  Is it the most popular sport in the world?  Probably.  But the ignorant idea that everybody outside USA/CAN is watching is illiterate on two levels.  First, there are plenty of other places where soccer is not a primary sport.  Australia, New Zealand, Japan, India, etc.  But more so, spectator sports are a function of leisure time.  Most of the world has no leisure time.  Most of the world is not concerned about anything more than where their next meal is coming from.

- I also object to the idea that soccer is "beautiful game" , and those of us in the majority that ignore it are somehow simple.  No, it is a children's game, simplistic by definition.  The most simplistic, strategy free, skill free game ever invented.

- I also reject all this "sport of the next generation"  ho-ha.  We are on the 4th generation of this.  Yes, a lot of children play soccer.  They grow up and forget about simplistic children's games.  The same argument would say that Chutes and Ladders would be the sport of the next generation.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 11, 2020, 11:19:04 AM
Personally I find standard soccer boring given the large field and large numbers of players essentially dictates a slow pace with a low score.  Indoor soccer was something that I thought was pretty fun because it was usually on a hockey rink size arena.   The only problem with that is that hockey on the same size arena is still way faster of a game. 

Regarding soccer fandom I think it almost is entirely driven by where a person is from.  Obviously soccer is far more entrenched in places like Europe and Central America than say North America.  A lot of cities like Orlando actually have a huge MLS following which seems to be driven by a large immigrant population from area where soccer was a primary sport.  Conversely something like Baseball doesn't get much play outside of the United States aside from some notable exceptions like Japan.  I would imagine most European soccer fans would find baseball just as boring as a lot of Americans do with soccer. 

With golf I can get behind watching majors or caddying for someone.  Most regular golf tournaments are a drag to watch on TV because they are slow paced, don't have much stakes, and often don't include much of the best golfers.  At least with the majors the stakes are high, every decision in the final two rounds is critical, and the best golfers are there. 

Tennis kind of falls into the same category or niche.  While the sport is fast and very athletic it tends to be dominated by a handful of people for a decade at a time which isn't very exciting.  The etiquette with Tennis is very similar and dull much like golf which I've always found odd for a fast pace sport. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 11, 2020, 02:16:09 PM
I can't stand soccer.

-The field is too large.  Even if hockey is low scoring, at any time you can score a goal.  When the ball gets in the middle of the field zzzzzz.
-Flopping is ridiculous. 
-A 0-0 game is not exciting
-Now they don't even bother naming teams.  "Austin FC" is not a name.

I liked indoor soccer.  Small fields and no out of bounds and high scoring.
I like rugby.  The guys are tough and it's kind of fun.

Just because a majority of people in a given situation not agree with you does not make them right.

I also don't enjoy baseball and basketball.  Sign stealing? Maybe that'll make it interesting.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Rothman on February 11, 2020, 02:54:45 PM
I'm wondering what planet SP Cook lives on.  World literacy rates are quite high while the world poverty rate is at 10% dropping from 36% 30 years ago.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CtrlAltDel on February 11, 2020, 03:09:16 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 11, 2020, 02:54:45 PM
I'm wondering what planet SP Cook lives on.  World literacy rates are quite high while the world poverty rate is at 10% dropping from 36% 30 years ago.

A planet where things become true if he says them resolutely enough.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on February 11, 2020, 03:52:28 PM
I live in the real world.  And I have been to the Third part of it, many times. 

If you really believe that everybody in the world lives the life you do, or anything close to it, come with me some time.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on February 11, 2020, 04:06:52 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on February 11, 2020, 03:52:28 PM
I live in the real world.  And I have been to the Third part of it, many times. 
If you really believe that everybody in the world lives the life you do, or anything close to it, come with me some time.
About 11% live in "extreme poverty" according what Google expels, as in earning less than $2 per day in USD equivalent.

What about "just plain poverty" where people are too busy subsisting and producing food for themselves to have much leisure time for watching sports?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on February 12, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 11, 2020, 02:16:09 PM
I can't stand soccer.

-The field is too large.  Even if hockey is low scoring, at any time you can score a goal.  When the ball gets in the middle of the field zzzzzz.
It's the same size as a football field. And goals often materialize in the space of one second - a bad pass, a steal, a shot that loops past the keeper.
Quote from: texaskdog on February 11, 2020, 02:16:09 PM
-Flopping is ridiculous. 
If you watch a professional game, you might see one or two. And it also adds a strategic element for players - a good flop is one that the untrained eye won't even notice (and sometimes the referee as well. . .)
Quote from: texaskdog on February 11, 2020, 02:16:09 PM
-A 0-0 game is not exciting
This is one I've given up on trying to explain. As a player, 0-0s are often the most intense games because it makes every goalscoring oppurtunity that much more critical.
Quote from: texaskdog on February 11, 2020, 02:16:09 PM
-Now they don't even bother naming teams.  "Austin FC" is not a name.
I guess I agree on this one.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on February 12, 2020, 06:48:32 PM
Soccer is the world's game, like it or not. Even in countries where it is not the most popular, there are still professional leagues and players who move to clubs abroad. There are also matches between clubs in different countries (each continent has its own Champions League and other equivalents) and matches between national teams that bring all sorts of odd pairings together. The World Cup is a festival of the world's nations (though skewed towards Europe because of their dominance) that is hard to match with most other sports (rugby comes close). Soccer is the best non-wartime way for us to learn geography, since you'd never think to care about Trinidad and Tobago unless they were a crucial hurdle in World Cup qualification.

One of the racist tropes used in soccer is that people of certain races tend to flop and dive more, which isn't true. While there is diving in soccer, it is being stamped out with the use of retroactive suspensions and fines, and you won't find regular use in most top leagues, and it doesn't matter where the player is from, if they see a competitive advantage they will risk it.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on February 12, 2020, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: Bruce on February 12, 2020, 06:48:32 PM
Soccer is the world's game, like it or not. Even in countries where it is not the most popular, there are still professional leagues and players who move to clubs abroad. There are also matches between clubs in different countries (each continent has its own Champions League and other equivalents) and matches between national teams that bring all sorts of odd pairings together. The World Cup is a festival of the world's nations (though skewed towards Europe because of their dominance) that is hard to match with most other sports (rugby comes close). Soccer is the best non-wartime way for us to learn geography, since you'd never think to care about Trinidad and Tobago unless they were a crucial hurdle in World Cup qualification.

One of the racist tropes used in soccer is that people of certain races tend to flop and dive more, which isn't true. While there is diving in soccer, it is being stamped out with the use of retroactive suspensions and fines, and you won't find regular use in most top leagues, and it doesn't matter where the player is from, if they see a competitive advantage they will risk it.
Pretty much this. aMeRiCaNs like to whine about how soccer is a "wimpy" sport (I've heard lots of other, less appropriate words), but they refuse to acknowledge that it is the most popular in the world. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine, but you're not entitled to refuse facts that are simply true.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on February 12, 2020, 07:27:22 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on February 11, 2020, 10:52:22 AM
- I also object to the idea that soccer is “beautiful game”, and those of us in the majority that ignore it are somehow simple.  No, it is a children’s game, simplistic by definition.  The most simplistic, strategy free, skill free game ever invented.
Oh my goodness.
Major rant incoming.

Quote
An estimated 3.572 billion people watched some official broadcast coverage of the 2018 FIFA World Cup Russia™. Over half (51.3%) of the global population (aged 4 years and over) were captured.
3.572 billion. 51.3 percent of the population watched the world cup final.

Now, I'll preform some simple math. You may be too small-minded to understand, but I'll make it as easy to comprehend as possible.

100 percent is everyone in the world. 100 percent of the people. If 51.3 percent of the 100 percent watched the world cup final, that means that 48.7 percent did not watch it.

51.3% > 48.7%

MIND BLOWN

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It is a children's game, simplistic by definition.
You may be right. But just in case you're not, you should prove yourself. I would tell you to go get a job as the head coach of a professional team, but we'll start with the little kids in the under-9 age group. Now, if the game is so "simplistic by definition", understand what all of the field markings mean. Understand where each player is supposed to be in relation to the ball and the opponent. Understand what they should be doing in order to create space through which to posses. Understand the offside trap, the low line, tiki-taka, the cross, the header, the defensive organization and attacking flow, the handball, how to spread the field, how to exploit the soft spot, how to position your body when receiving the ball, which way to turn on the ball, how to protect the ball, when to pass back, sideways, diagonally, or forward. Understand how long it takes for a defender to close on you when you're 5, 15, 20, 25 yards from goal, and now put that into perspective to figure out when you should shoot and when to hold, reset, and try again. Understand each and every position on the field. Know each of you're teammates tendencies like the back of your hand. Adjust to field and weather conditions - driving rain, blazing sun, or whipping wind. Know when to take one touch and when to take two, three, four, five, six. Learn how to turn on a dime with a defender on your back, and get it to a teammate immediately.

Got it? Cool, you have now earned the right to be a coach for a bunch of eight year olds. If you can learn twice as much information as this, you may progress up to ten year olds!! Yay you!! At this rate, you will be a professional coach in about 186 years of your life, and that's if you devote every second of it to learning about the game.

It is the most competitive, the most free-flowing, the most complex, the most popular sport in the world. So if you don't like it, fine, I don't give two fricks. But you can't come in here and whine about how numbers are lying and how you could just stumble onto any field and look like anything other than completely dumbfounded and garbage. Have fun.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on February 12, 2020, 08:22:35 PM
CALM. DOWN. EVERYONE.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on February 12, 2020, 09:08:56 PM
Quote from: thspfc on February 12, 2020, 07:01:26 PM
Pretty much this. aMeRiCaNs like to whine about how soccer is a "wimpy" sport (I've heard lots of other, less appropriate words), but they refuse to acknowledge that it is the most popular in the world. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine, but you're not entitled to refuse facts that are simply true.
Soccer (association football) is actually as injury prone as American football and rugby, according so some sources.

Nothing wimpy about it.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I'm sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: DaBigE on February 12, 2020, 11:50:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I'm sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html

I'm still trying to figure out who should be more insulted.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2020, 12:25:43 AM
Quote from: DaBigE on February 12, 2020, 11:50:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I'm sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html

I'm still trying to figure out who should be more insulted.

Probably the Minnesota Packers. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on February 13, 2020, 12:45:23 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I'm sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html


Two of them were apparently sold and the rest destroyed. Two people are sitting on a gold mine.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 06:32:02 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2020, 12:25:43 AM
Quote from: DaBigE on February 12, 2020, 11:50:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I'm sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html
I'm still trying to figure out who should be more insulted.
Probably the Minnesota Packers. 

How about the Wisconsin Packers.

Minnesota has the Vikings.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2020, 07:52:24 AM
Quote from: thspfc on February 12, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 11, 2020, 02:16:09 PM
I can't stand soccer.

-The field is too large.  Even if hockey is low scoring, at any time you can score a goal.  When the ball gets in the middle of the field zzzzzz.
It's the same size as a football field. And goals often materialize in the space of one second - a bad pass, a steal, a shot that loops past the keeper.

A full-size soccer field has slightly different dimensions from a football field. FIFA rules say a soccer field must be 110—120 yards long (an NFL-sized football field is 120 yards, including the end zones) and 70—80 yards wide (an NFL-sized football field is 53.3 yards wide). One of the complaints some people made when the World Cup was played in the USA in 1994 was that a number of the venues, most notably Giants Stadium, had fields that were too narrow.

Quote from: thspfc on February 12, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 11, 2020, 02:16:09 PM
-Now they don't even bother naming teams.  "Austin FC" is not a name.
I guess I agree on this one.

I don't understand why some people feel it necessary to include "FC" or "SC" even when it's the only team in that city. For example, if Atlanta will play a Los Angeles team, "Los Angeles FC" distinguishes from the zoos Angeles Galaxy. Makes sense. If Atlanta will play Toronto, you can just say "Atlanta at Toronto." There's no need to say "Atlanta at Toronto FC" because there is no other MLS team in Toronto. (I similarly don't get why some people shorten "Seattle Sounders FC" to "Sounders FC" instead of just the Sounders.)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 13, 2020, 08:12:37 AM
Quote from: thspfc on February 12, 2020, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: Bruce on February 12, 2020, 06:48:32 PM
Soccer is the world's game, like it or not. Even in countries where it is not the most popular, there are still professional leagues and players who move to clubs abroad. There are also matches between clubs in different countries (each continent has its own Champions League and other equivalents) and matches between national teams that bring all sorts of odd pairings together. The World Cup is a festival of the world's nations (though skewed towards Europe because of their dominance) that is hard to match with most other sports (rugby comes close). Soccer is the best non-wartime way for us to learn geography, since you'd never think to care about Trinidad and Tobago unless they were a crucial hurdle in World Cup qualification.

One of the racist tropes used in soccer is that people of certain races tend to flop and dive more, which isn't true. While there is diving in soccer, it is being stamped out with the use of retroactive suspensions and fines, and you won't find regular use in most top leagues, and it doesn't matter where the player is from, if they see a competitive advantage they will risk it.
Pretty much this. aMeRiCaNs like to whine about how soccer is a "wimpy" sport (I've heard lots of other, less appropriate words), but they refuse to acknowledge that it is the most popular in the world. You're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine, but you're not entitled to refuse facts that are simply true.

Onions are the most popular pizza topping.  I'll still never eat one.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 13, 2020, 08:13:28 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 06:32:02 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2020, 12:25:43 AM
Quote from: DaBigE on February 12, 2020, 11:50:23 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I’m sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html
I'm still trying to figure out who should be more insulted.
Probably the Minnesota Packers. 

How about the Wisconsin Packers.

Minnesota has the Vikings.

Unfortunately
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 13, 2020, 08:14:05 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I’m sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html



Why are there two Dakotas?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 13, 2020, 08:17:41 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 13, 2020, 08:14:05 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I’m sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html



Why are there two Dakotas?

Short version of the story is back when they were the Dakota territory, they voted to move the capital from the southern half to the norther half of the territory, and that made the southern part mad enough that they split off.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 08:35:29 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 13, 2020, 08:14:05 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I'm sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html
Why are there two Dakotas?

Why are there two Carolinas?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2020, 09:00:44 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 08:35:29 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 13, 2020, 08:14:05 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I'm sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html
Why are there two Dakotas?

Why are there two Carolinas?

Didn't used to be when the Province of Carolina was around.  It seems that the Carolina Panthers recognize (albeit probably accidentally) the British origins of the Carolinas. 

I'm curious now, do people in South/North Carolina and South/North Dakota have sports rivalries of dislike each akin to something Michigan/Ohio?   Regarding sports my wife frequently calls Michigan and Michigan State simply just "Michigan."   Half my family went to MSU but all the uneducated heathens (myself included) are Michigan fans, neither of us likes to be categorized as the same thing.   
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 13, 2020, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 08:35:29 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 13, 2020, 08:14:05 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I’m sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html
Why are there two Dakotas?

Why are there two Carolinas?

Why aren't there two Nebraskas?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2020, 09:35:24 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2020, 09:00:44 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 08:35:29 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 13, 2020, 08:14:05 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I'm sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html
Why are there two Dakotas?

Why are there two Carolinas?

Didn't used to be when the Province of Carolina was around.  It seems that the Carolina Panthers recognize (albeit probably accidentally) the British origins of the Carolinas. 

I'm curious now, do people in South/North Carolina and South/North Dakota have sports rivalries of dislike each akin to something Michigan/Ohio?   Regarding sports my wife frequently calls Michigan and Michigan State simply just "Michigan."   Half my family went to MSU but all the uneducated heathens (myself included) are Michigan fans, neither of us likes to be categorized as the same thing.   

The Carolina Panthers adopted "Carolina" for marketing reasons. That's also why the original owner insisted on playing the first season somewhere in South Carolina while the stadium in Charlotte was under construction (they played at Clemson that season). I think the college sports rivalry between the two states isn't as strong since South Carolina left the ACC almost 40 years ago (they were an independent for a long time and then joined the SEC). While Clemson is an ACC member, they're historically (and currently) much stronger in football, and much weaker in basketball, than the North Carolina schools. Their big "rivalry game" in football is the Clemson—Carolina game, meaning the game against South Carolina, which is usually played at the end of the season like many other rivalry games.

My wife frequently does what you describe–she calls Ohio State "Ohio" and frequently doesn't distinguish between Florida and Florida State. We have relatives who are either alumni of, or current students at, both UF and FSU, and they just roll their eyes because we've all realized it's pointless to say anything.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 13, 2020, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 08:35:29 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 13, 2020, 08:14:05 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I'm sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html
Why are there two Dakotas?
Why are there two Carolinas?
Why aren't there two Nebraskas?
Why aren't there two Pennsylvanias?  East and West.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 13, 2020, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 08:35:29 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 13, 2020, 08:14:05 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I'm sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html
Why are there two Dakotas?
Why are there two Carolinas?
Why aren't there two Nebraskas?
Why aren't there two Pennsylvanias?  East and West.

East and West Florida used to be a thing.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on February 13, 2020, 10:53:39 AM
Why there is West Virginia but no East Virginia? Or better, why isn't "plain" Virginia called East Virginia (even though it stretches further West than West Virginia)?

Seriously, stop. Your guys already ruined one of my favorite threads (the "Threads you'll never see on aaroads.com" one), leaving me without a place where to put whacky titles that will never be threads here.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2020, 10:55:21 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 13, 2020, 10:53:39 AM
Why there is West Virginia but no East Virginia? Or better, why isn't "plain" Virginia called East Virginia (even though it stretches further West than West Virginia)?

....

You mean "the counties that refer to themselves as 'West Virginia,'" as one of our former governors jokingly phrased it.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 13, 2020, 10:59:46 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 13, 2020, 10:53:39 AM
Why there is West Virginia but no East Virginia? Or better, why isn't "plain" Virginia called East Virginia (even though it stretches further West than West Virginia)?

Seriously, stop. Your guys already ruined one of my favorite threads (the "Threads you'll never see on aaroads.com" one), leaving me without a place where to put whacky titles that will never be threads here.

Why is there only one pond?  Why don't we call it "North Atlantic Ocean" and "South Atlantic Ocean"?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2020, 10:59:52 AM
The geographical discussion does prompt me to think of a minor thing that annoys me that comes from sports–when people think a sports team's "geographic" name that doesn't correspond to a city is the correct name for a place. I think I've seen this most often in reference to the three teams located in the Tampa Bay area (the Lightning, Buccaneers, and Rays)–over the years, including once when I was an editor at a newspaper, I've seen references along the lines of, "The game will be played in Tampa Bay, Florida, on [date]." Incorrect because "Tampa Bay" is not the name of a city. Perhaps if there were some sort of open-water water polo tournament played in the actual bay it might be correct to say "Tampa Bay, Florida," but otherwise, the Bolts and the Bucs play in Tampa and the Rays play in St. Petersburg.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 13, 2020, 11:12:14 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2020, 10:59:52 AM
The geographical discussion does prompt me to think of a minor thing that annoys me that comes from sports—when people think a sports team's "geographic" name that doesn't correspond to a city is the correct name for a place. I think I've seen this most often in reference to the three teams located in the Tampa Bay area (the Lightning, Buccaneers, and Rays)—over the years, including once when I was an editor at a newspaper, I've seen references along the lines of, "The game will be played in Tampa Bay, Florida, on [date]." Incorrect because "Tampa Bay" is not the name of a city. Perhaps if there were some sort of open-water water polo tournament played in the actual bay it might be correct to say "Tampa Bay, Florida," but otherwise, the Bolts and the Bucs play in Tampa and the Rays play in St. Petersburg.

See Always: New York Giants & Jets.

The Philadelphia Union Soccer team plays in Chester, PA.  As far as I know, they never wanted to referred to as Chester Union.  Moving away from sports, Harrah's Casino in Chester was originally called Chester Harrah's, no doubt to appease the local government folks.  After several years, with Chester going absolutely no where in terms of improvement, they changed their name to the more recognized Philadelphia Harrah's (albeit still located in Chester).  For what it's worth, it sits right next to the Delaware River, and if you go during the day, offers nice views of the river, the Commodore Barry Bridge and New Jersey along the riverline.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2020, 11:28:04 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2020, 10:59:52 AM
The geographical discussion does prompt me to think of a minor thing that annoys me that comes from sports–when people think a sports team's "geographic" name that doesn't correspond to a city is the correct name for a place. I think I've seen this most often in reference to the three teams located in the Tampa Bay area (the Lightning, Buccaneers, and Rays)–over the years, including once when I was an editor at a newspaper, I've seen references along the lines of, "The game will be played in Tampa Bay, Florida, on [date]." Incorrect because "Tampa Bay" is not the name of a city. Perhaps if there were some sort of open-water water polo tournament played in the actual bay it might be correct to say "Tampa Bay, Florida," but otherwise, the Bolts and the Bucs play in Tampa and the Rays play in St. Petersburg.

Something I've observed with the Detroit teams is that they tend to match what the area is about by way of names like the Red Wings and Pistons.  I always found the Pistons name interesting since the team originated in Fort Wayne but had a perfect name when they moved to Detroit.  Amusingly the Red Wings were called the Cougars and Falcons first before the modern convention was adopted.  The Red Wing logo was adopted from a Montreal athletic club but it was picked because it matched the city better.  The Tigers and Lions are both fairly generic, on the college level I don't believe their are Wolverines in the lower Peninsula...there certainly isn't Spartan warriors running around. 

Arizona had a good mix of names with the; Suns, Coyotes, and Diamondbacks.  The Cardinals seem out of place a desert environment but at the very least said bird can be observed in Arizona.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2020, 11:34:36 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 13, 2020, 11:12:14 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2020, 10:59:52 AM
The geographical discussion does prompt me to think of a minor thing that annoys me that comes from sports–when people think a sports team's "geographic" name that doesn't correspond to a city is the correct name for a place. I think I've seen this most often in reference to the three teams located in the Tampa Bay area (the Lightning, Buccaneers, and Rays)–over the years, including once when I was an editor at a newspaper, I've seen references along the lines of, "The game will be played in Tampa Bay, Florida, on [date]." Incorrect because "Tampa Bay" is not the name of a city. Perhaps if there were some sort of open-water water polo tournament played in the actual bay it might be correct to say "Tampa Bay, Florida," but otherwise, the Bolts and the Bucs play in Tampa and the Rays play in St. Petersburg.

See Always: New York Giants & Jets.

The Philadelphia Union Soccer team plays in Chester, PA.  As far as I know, they never wanted to referred to as Chester Union.  Moving away from sports, Harrah's Casino in Chester was originally called Chester Harrah's, no doubt to appease the local government folks.  After several years, with Chester going absolutely no where in terms of improvement, they changed their name to the more recognized Philadelphia Harrah's (albeit still located in Chester).  For what it's worth, it sits right next to the Delaware River, and if you go during the day, offers nice views of the river, the Commodore Barry Bridge and New Jersey along the riverline.

I think we're addressing two different issues. Your examples are of teams that play outside the city for which they're named, but the city in question is still a real place (New York and Philadelphia). I don't particularly mind a team playing in the suburbs and using the name of the city of which it's a suburb, especially if the team used to play within the city limits but moved further out as part of getting a new stadium built. At some point, of course, a suburb might be so far away as to make the name a little weird–the San Francisco 49ers playing in Santa Clara is a good current example, and the USFL's Baltimore Stars playing in College Park is a good historical example (in the case of the Stars, they had been the Philadelphia Stars for two years, then moved to Baltimore because the USFL planned to move to the fall, but the baseball team in Baltimore objected to sharing the stadium during the spring and early summer, so the Stars wound up in College Park).

I was referring more to the situation where a team's name doesn't use a city or state as its "geographic" indicator. The Tampa Bay teams are a good example. There are two pro teams calling themselves "Carolina" (one in Charlotte, the other in Raleigh), there are the Golden State Warriors, and there are probably a few others (New England Patriots come to mind, although it's not incorrect to say "the game is in New England"). To say the game will be played in Tampa Bay, Florida, is always incorrect because there is no such city. It would be incorrect to refer to a Giants home game as being "in New York" because they play in New Jersey, but New York is at least a real place.




Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2020, 11:28:04 AM
....

Arizona had a good mix of names with the; Suns, Coyotes, and Diamondbacks.  The Cardinals seem out of place a desert environment but at the very least said bird can be observed in Arizona.

The Cardinals' name originated when the team played in the Chicago area (I think they originated in Racine, actually) and it originally referred to their jersey color.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2020, 11:41:08 AM
^^^

What is interesting about the Cardinals is that the Bidwell family has owned the team since 1933.  To that end it is probably reasonable to assume the name "Cardinals"  has stuck around despite the team moving numerous times probably because the family doesn't want to change it.  And yes, I've heard the same thing the name coming from the kind of muddy colored red jerseys the team wore as being origin story of the name. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: mgk920 on February 13, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
Why the interest in 'fútbol' among the very young?

- Simplicity - the rulebook is a very thin pamphlet and very easy to understand.  That utter simplicity also allows the players to develop and hone unique individual skills.
- Everyone on the field has multitudes of opportunities to meaningfully handle the ball.  You don't have that with baseball or American football.
- The constant running and constant action is a great way to blow off energy and develop fitness habits that they can carry on later in life.

Those interests, skills and the resulting love of the game carry on into higher level competitions in most of the rest of the World.

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 13, 2020, 12:12:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2020, 11:41:08 AM
^^^

What is interesting about the Cardinals is that the Bidwell family has owned the team since 1933.  To that end it is probably reasonable to assume the name "Cardinals"  has stuck around despite the team moving numerous times probably because the family doesn't want to change it.  And yes, I've heard the same thing the name coming from the kind of muddy colored red jerseys the team wore as being origin story of the name. 

For decades, the Cardinals shared Comiskey Park with the Sox and the Bears shared Soldier Field with the Cubs.  Overwhelmingly, Chicagoans favored baseball and football teams from the same side of town.  When the Cardinals left, a lot of their fans drifted to the Packers as they became the Bears' new rival.  The Bears moved to Soldier Field in 1971, so fans of my generation and younger don't associate them with the Cubs in the same way, but to this day, there are a sizable number of older White Sox/Packers fans.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on February 13, 2020, 12:37:21 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 13, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
Why the interest in 'fútbol' among the very young?

- Simplicity - the rulebook is a very thin pamphlet and very easy to understand.  That utter simplicity also allows the players to develop and hone unique individual skills.
- Everyone on the field has multitudes of opportunities to meaningfully handle the ball.  You don't have that with baseball or American football.
- The constant running and constant action is a great way to blow off energy and develop fitness habits that they can carry on later in life.

Those interests, skills and the resulting love of the game carry on into higher level competitions in most of the rest of the World.

Mike

I once read a (fiction) book in which a character said one positive about soccer is that "you don't need to be six foot six and weigh 225 pounds to be able to play." (The book was published around 1980, so the "225 pounds" reference sounded less absurd in reference to football than it would now.) The author, who coached a boys' travel soccer team on Long Island, had elsewhere been quoted as saying more or less the same thing, so the character was pretty clearly conveying her view.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: GaryV on February 13, 2020, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 10:21:14 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 13, 2020, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 08:35:29 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 13, 2020, 08:14:05 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 12, 2020, 10:36:18 PM
I'm sure sports fans in Minnesota and Wisconsin hate being combined or thought of as a single entity:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/target-apologizes-for-selling-minnesota-badgers-onesies-wisconsin-color-us-red-230348720.html
Why are there two Dakotas?
Why are there two Carolinas?
Why aren't there two Nebraskas?
Why aren't there two Pennsylvanias?  East and West.
In soccer there is.  There are 55 state soccer organizations as I recall.  PA, NY, CA, TX and maybe OH are split.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 03:38:34 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on February 13, 2020, 10:53:39 AM
Why there is West Virginia but no East Virginia? Or better, why isn't "plain" Virginia called East Virginia (even though it stretches further West than West Virginia)?

Some people here think that there should be a state of North Virginia, basically the first and second ring Washington area counties and cities.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 03:44:40 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 13, 2020, 10:59:52 AM
The geographical discussion does prompt me to think of a minor thing that annoys me that comes from sports–when people think a sports team's "geographic" name that doesn't correspond to a city is the correct name for a place. I think I've seen this most often in reference to the three teams located in the Tampa Bay area (the Lightning, Buccaneers, and Rays)–over the years, including once when I was an editor at a newspaper, I've seen references along the lines of, "The game will be played in Tampa Bay, Florida, on [date]." Incorrect because "Tampa Bay" is not the name of a city. Perhaps if there were some sort of open-water water polo tournament played in the actual bay it might be correct to say "Tampa Bay, Florida," but otherwise, the Bolts and the Bucs play in Tampa and the Rays play in St. Petersburg.
Same issue with "Hampton Roads."  While "Roads" is not a common type-name for a body of water, that is what it is in this case.

"Hampton Roads" is the historic name for the five-mile wide, last ten miles or so of the James River before it empties into Chesapeake Bay, and it is the place where the Elizabeth River and the Nansemond River empty into the James River.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 03:51:39 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 13, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
Why the interest in 'fútbol' among the very young?
- Simplicity - the rulebook is a very thin pamphlet and very easy to understand.  That utter simplicity also allows the players to develop and hone unique individual skills.
- Everyone on the field has multitudes of opportunities to meaningfully handle the ball.  You don't have that with baseball or American football.
- The constant running and constant action is a great way to blow off energy and develop fitness habits that they can carry on later in life.
-- Very easy to set up sandlot and other ad hoc formats to play impromptu games in empty lots, large yards, fields, streets, indoor rooms, etc.

Granted American football lends itself to that as well, and subsets like 2 or 3 guys playing "go out for a pass," "kick a field goal," etc.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Verlanka on February 16, 2020, 05:08:01 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 13, 2020, 11:28:04 AM
I always found the Pistons name interesting since the team originated in Fort Wayne but had a perfect name when they moved to Detroit.
The Pistons originated as the Fort Wayne Zollner Pistons after team owner Fred Zollner, who manufactured pistons for cars, trucks, and trains. When he moved the team to Detroit, Zollner kept the "Pistons" name since Detroit was at the center of the auto industry.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on February 17, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 03:51:39 PM

Quote from: mgk920 on February 13, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
Why the interest in 'fútbol' among the very young?
- Simplicity - the rulebook is a very thin pamphlet and very easy to understand.  That utter simplicity also allows the players to develop and hone unique individual skills.
- Everyone on the field has multitudes of opportunities to meaningfully handle the ball.  You don't have that with baseball or American football.
- The constant running and constant action is a great way to blow off energy and develop fitness habits that they can carry on later in life.

-- Very easy to set up sandlot and other ad hoc formats to play impromptu games in empty lots, large yards, fields, streets, indoor rooms, etc.

Granted American football lends itself to that as well, and subsets like 2 or 3 guys playing "go out for a pass," "kick a field goal," etc.

A distinct advantage of soccer related to the bolded statement above is that it's easier to play soccer in a confined space than it is to play American football.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 17, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 17, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 03:51:39 PM

Quote from: mgk920 on February 13, 2020, 12:11:30 PM
Why the interest in 'fútbol' among the very young?
- Simplicity - the rulebook is a very thin pamphlet and very easy to understand.  That utter simplicity also allows the players to develop and hone unique individual skills.
- Everyone on the field has multitudes of opportunities to meaningfully handle the ball.  You don't have that with baseball or American football.
- The constant running and constant action is a great way to blow off energy and develop fitness habits that they can carry on later in life.

-- Very easy to set up sandlot and other ad hoc formats to play impromptu games in empty lots, large yards, fields, streets, indoor rooms, etc.

Granted American football lends itself to that as well, and subsets like 2 or 3 guys playing "go out for a pass," "kick a field goal," etc.

A distinct advantage of soccer related to the bolded statement above is that it's easier to play soccer in a confined space than it is to play American football.

all you need is a ball and people.  Football is more complicated, though we did just play with our friends a lot
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on February 17, 2020, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 17, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 17, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 03:51:39 PM
-- Very easy to set up sandlot and other ad hoc formats to play impromptu games in empty lots, large yards, fields, streets, indoor rooms, etc.
Granted American football lends itself to that as well, and subsets like 2 or 3 guys playing "go out for a pass," "kick a field goal," etc.
A distinct advantage of soccer related to the bolded statement above is that it's easier to play soccer in a confined space than it is to play American football.
all you need is a ball and people.  Football is more complicated, though we did just play with our friends a lot

They say that you can even play a mini-soccer game in a living room.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on February 17, 2020, 09:12:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 17, 2020, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 17, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 17, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 03:51:39 PM
-- Very easy to set up sandlot and other ad hoc formats to play impromptu games in empty lots, large yards, fields, streets, indoor rooms, etc.
Granted American football lends itself to that as well, and subsets like 2 or 3 guys playing "go out for a pass," "kick a field goal," etc.
A distinct advantage of soccer related to the bolded statement above is that it's easier to play soccer in a confined space than it is to play American football.
all you need is a ball and people.  Football is more complicated, though we did just play with our friends a lot

They say that you can even play a mini-soccer game in a living room.

...I guess it's slightly less destructive than living room baseball and a rodeo in the foyer.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on February 17, 2020, 09:23:08 PM
Quote from: formulanone on February 17, 2020, 09:12:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 17, 2020, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 17, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 17, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 03:51:39 PM
-- Very easy to set up sandlot and other ad hoc formats to play impromptu games in empty lots, large yards, fields, streets, indoor rooms, etc.
Granted American football lends itself to that as well, and subsets like 2 or 3 guys playing "go out for a pass," "kick a field goal," etc.
A distinct advantage of soccer related to the bolded statement above is that it's easier to play soccer in a confined space than it is to play American football.
all you need is a ball and people.  Football is more complicated, though we did just play with our friends a lot
They say that you can even play a mini-soccer game in a living room.
...I guess it's slightly less destructive than living room baseball and a rodeo in the foyer.
Not necessarily.  You can play golf in the house if you use a soft enough ball.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on February 18, 2020, 01:16:24 PM
When I was a little kid, my dad used to play "football" with me in the living room.  He stayed on his knees, and a teddy bear was the football.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on February 18, 2020, 07:28:46 PM
Some of the best soccer players in the world developed their skills in impromptu environments. Futsal/street soccer/indoor soccer are all great for teaching ball handling and individual skill that goes on top of teamplay. It's also a factor in why the U.S. is lagging behind in soccer development: youth players spend way too much time on the field in structured games/practice instead of playing in small-court style pick-up games.

MARTA in Atlanta now has a few mini soccer fields at its stations thanks to Atlanta United's partnership, and those are a template that could be expanded.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on February 18, 2020, 08:01:04 PM
Quote from: Bruce on February 18, 2020, 07:28:46 PM

MARTA in Atlanta now has a few mini soccer fields at its stations thanks to Atlanta United's partnership, and those are a template that could be expanded.
Coincidence that Marta was a top Women's soccer player from Brazil?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 19, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 17, 2020, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 17, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 17, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 03:51:39 PM
-- Very easy to set up sandlot and other ad hoc formats to play impromptu games in empty lots, large yards, fields, streets, indoor rooms, etc.
Granted American football lends itself to that as well, and subsets like 2 or 3 guys playing "go out for a pass," "kick a field goal," etc.
A distinct advantage of soccer related to the bolded statement above is that it's easier to play soccer in a confined space than it is to play American football.
all you need is a ball and people.  Football is more complicated, though we did just play with our friends a lot

They say that you can even play a mini-soccer game in a living room.

mom always said don't play ball in the house!
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: roadman on February 20, 2020, 11:25:14 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 19, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
Quote from: Beltway on February 17, 2020, 06:08:04 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 17, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 17, 2020, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 13, 2020, 03:51:39 PM
-- Very easy to set up sandlot and other ad hoc formats to play impromptu games in empty lots, large yards, fields, streets, indoor rooms, etc.
Granted American football lends itself to that as well, and subsets like 2 or 3 guys playing "go out for a pass," "kick a field goal," etc.
A distinct advantage of soccer related to the bolded statement above is that it's easier to play soccer in a confined space than it is to play American football.
all you need is a ball and people.  Football is more complicated, though we did just play with our friends a lot

They say that you can even play a mini-soccer game in a living room.

mom always said don't play ball in the house!

American football is a simple game.  It's the myriad of needless rules that make it complicated.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: dvferyance on March 13, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
The Utah Jazz that is about the worst name in all sports.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on March 13, 2020, 10:24:00 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 13, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
The Utah Jazz that is about the worst name in all sports.
They kept the name when they moved from New Orleans.  Another mismatch is the LA Lakers keeping their name when they moved from Minneapolis.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kurumi on March 14, 2020, 12:29:17 AM
About the Jazz keeping their name:

From https://www.deseret.com/2008/10/29/20282844/utah-jazz-team-name-still-draws-snide-remarks:
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They held a contest, and nobody won.

A lot of people thought the name "Jazz" ought to go when the NBA team moved from New Orleans to a less-musical Utah in 1979.

"I think there were people who thought the name wasn't appropriate," concedes Sam Battistone, the team's main owner at the time.

But nobody came up with anything better. "The names that came in, nothing seemed to fit," Battistone said. "I think probably more people in New Orleans were concerned about it than people in Utah."

...

He also said that when the Jazz got NBA approval to move to Utah in June 1979, "We didn't have time to change the name" before the season started.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Rothman on March 14, 2020, 09:07:36 AM
Heh.

Utah Beehives.

(Of course, the fact The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Sunday class for 12-13 year old girls was called this for decades might have caused even more snickers).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: mgk920 on March 19, 2020, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 14, 2020, 09:07:36 AM
Heh.

Utah Beehives.

(Of course, the fact The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Sunday class for 12-13 year old girls was called this for decades might have caused even more snickers).

The 'Utah Bees' would have been good.

I agree, the Lakers, Jazz and Grizzlies should have all left their names behind when they moved, like the Whalers, Supersonics and many others have.

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on March 19, 2020, 11:53:19 AM
It would be nice to even have a chance to be annoyed by most of these things now...
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on March 19, 2020, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 19, 2020, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 14, 2020, 09:07:36 AM
Heh.

Utah Beehives.

(Of course, the fact The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Sunday class for 12-13 year old girls was called this for decades might have caused even more snickers).

The 'Utah Bees' would have been good.

How about "Utah Buzz?"
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Rothman on March 19, 2020, 04:30:24 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 19, 2020, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 19, 2020, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 14, 2020, 09:07:36 AM
Heh.

Utah Beehives.

(Of course, the fact The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Sunday class for 12-13 year old girls was called this for decades might have caused even more snickers).

The 'Utah Bees' would have been good.

How about "Utah Buzz?"
I thought there was a minor league team in SLC that tried one of these names out.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on March 19, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 13, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
The Utah Jazz that is about the worst name in all sports.

Real Salt Lake is so much worse.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: US 89 on March 30, 2020, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: Rothman on March 19, 2020, 04:30:24 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on March 19, 2020, 03:28:38 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 19, 2020, 10:48:21 AM
Quote from: Rothman on March 14, 2020, 09:07:36 AM
Heh.

Utah Beehives.

(Of course, the fact The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints' Sunday class for 12-13 year old girls was called this for decades might have caused even more snickers).

The 'Utah Bees' would have been good.

How about "Utah Buzz?"
I thought there was a minor league team in SLC that tried one of these names out.

Our AAA minor league baseball team was the Salt Lake Buzz for a while...until Georgia Tech sued them for trademark infringement. They then changed their name to the Stingers for a while before settling on the Bees.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 30, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 19, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 13, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
The Utah Jazz that is about the worst name in all sports.

Real Salt Lake is so much worse.

At least it's not the Fake Salt Lake, nobody likes Fake Salt Lake. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on March 30, 2020, 11:46:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 30, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 19, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 13, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
The Utah Jazz that is about the worst name in all sports.

Real Salt Lake is so much worse.

At least it’s not the Fake Salt Lake, nobody likes Fake Salt Lake. 

Real, United, FC. You know soccer could be fun if they tried.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 31, 2020, 12:46:58 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on March 30, 2020, 11:46:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 30, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 19, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 13, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
The Utah Jazz that is about the worst name in all sports.

Real Salt Lake is so much worse.

At least it's not the Fake Salt Lake, nobody likes Fake Salt Lake. 

Real, United, FC. You know soccer could be fun if they tried.

But aren't we the uneducated heathen Americans that doesn't understand such as eloquent low scoring sport?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: mgk920 on March 31, 2020, 01:27:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 31, 2020, 12:46:58 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on March 30, 2020, 11:46:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 30, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 19, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 13, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
The Utah Jazz that is about the worst name in all sports.

Real Salt Lake is so much worse.

At least it's not the Fake Salt Lake, nobody likes Fake Salt Lake. 

Real, United, FC. You know soccer could be fun if they tried.

But aren't we the uneducated heathen Americans that doesn't understand such as eloquent low scoring sport?

Like baseball?

(*DUCKS* and *RUNS*!!!   :-o  )

BTW, 'Real' in that case is a Spanish word that means 'Royal' (adjective).

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on March 31, 2020, 04:13:18 AM
There's a vocal and annoying portion of the soccer fandom that are self-hating Americans and thus turn their backs on American-style names (which I prefer). Some of the classic NASL names (Sounders, Timbers, Whitecaps, Earthquakes) hold up well after 40 years of use, while the modern Uniteds just don't feel right (except D.C.)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Beltway on March 31, 2020, 07:05:51 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 31, 2020, 01:27:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 31, 2020, 12:46:58 AM
But aren't we the uneducated heathen Americans that doesn't understand such as eloquent low scoring sport?
Like baseball?
(*DUCKS* and *RUNS*!!!   :-o  )
In the MLB season the average number of runs scored in an average game is about 8.3 runs per game.

The average number of goals per soccer match is 2.6 (median 2). This leads to certain low scores (where a score is a high-low pair) being quite common. The score of 1-0 is the most common outcome.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 31, 2020, 07:15:09 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 31, 2020, 01:27:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 31, 2020, 12:46:58 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on March 30, 2020, 11:46:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 30, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 19, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 13, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
The Utah Jazz that is about the worst name in all sports.

Real Salt Lake is so much worse.

At least it’s not the Fake Salt Lake, nobody likes Fake Salt Lake. 

Real, United, FC. You know soccer could be fun if they tried.

But aren't we the uneducated heathen Americans that doesn't understand such as eloquent low scoring sport?

Like baseball?

(*DUCKS* and *RUNS*!!!   :-o  )

BTW, 'Real' in that case is a Spanish word that means 'Royal' (adjective).

Mike

In baseball, when there's 8 individual "scores", that means 8 individual runners crossed the plate. 

In Football, you could have a 21-3 game, yet only 7 individual "scores" occurred (3 Touchdowns, 3 extra points, 1 field goal).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on March 31, 2020, 07:40:05 AM
Quote from: Bruce on March 31, 2020, 04:13:18 AM
There's a vocal and annoying portion of the soccer fandom that are self-hating Americans and thus turn their backs on American-style names (which I prefer). Some of the classic NASL names (Sounders, Timbers, Whitecaps, Earthquakes) hold up well after 40 years of use, while the modern Uniteds just don't feel right (except D.C.)

It seems to me having three teams in the one league named "United" is kind of dumb. If they were established franchises from other leagues that then joined MLS, that might be different (such was the case with the CFL's Ottawa Rough Riders and Saskatchewan Roughriders, for example–both existed prior to the CFL and kept their names upon joining).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 31, 2020, 07:50:30 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on March 31, 2020, 01:27:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 31, 2020, 12:46:58 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on March 30, 2020, 11:46:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on March 30, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 19, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on March 13, 2020, 10:09:20 PM
The Utah Jazz that is about the worst name in all sports.

Real Salt Lake is so much worse.

At least it's not the Fake Salt Lake, nobody likes Fake Salt Lake. 

Real, United, FC. You know soccer could be fun if they tried.

But aren't we the uneducated heathen Americans that doesn't understand such as eloquent low scoring sport?

Like baseball?

(*DUCKS* and *RUNS*!!!   :-o  )

BTW, 'Real' in that case is a Spanish word that means 'Royal' (adjective).

Mike

Yes, I'm aware of the Real/Royal translation...tis part of the sarcasm that I wasn't sure would translate through forum message.  My favorite out west is when people talk about "El Camino Real"  but phrase it as "The El Camino Real"  which comes out to "The The Royal Road."  
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 31, 2020, 07:55:24 AM
Quote from: Bruce on March 31, 2020, 04:13:18 AM
There's a vocal and annoying portion of the soccer fandom that are self-hating Americans and thus turn their backs on American-style names (which I prefer). Some of the classic NASL names (Sounders, Timbers, Whitecaps, Earthquakes) hold up well after 40 years of use, while the modern Uniteds just don't feel right (except D.C.)

Orlando City Soccer Club sounded strange to me over "Orlando Lions."   More so Orlando is a surprisingly small for such a large Metro Area, wouldn't "Orlando Metro Soccer Club"  be way more fitting and inclusive?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on March 31, 2020, 11:41:31 AM
Quote from: Bruce on March 31, 2020, 04:13:18 AM
There's a vocal and annoying portion of the soccer fandom that are self-hating Americans and thus turn their backs on American-style names...

That pretty much covers it.  The point, for example, about "Real" is that it is an affectation.  Self-hating Americans, adopting names which have no relationship to the USA/Canada.  "Real" is from Real Madrid, meaning "Royal", an honor bestowed upon Madrid by the King of Spain 100 years ago.  The USA is a republic, the nominal claim of Spain to Utah (which would have been news to the natives living there, just like all the nominal claims of various Europeans to most of western North America, despite having never been there) ended in 1821, and no king has ever honored the Salt Lake City team with a patronage.  Similarly the various "United" clubs are an affectation of Manchester United, referencing the fans putting aside religious differences to "unite" behind the team, something totally inapplicable to the USA.  Then we have the Houston Dynamo.  Back in the communist years the Russians divided their leagues not so much by cities, but by occupations.  So people in this industry were supposed to root for "their" team.  Dynamo, pronounced DEEE-nay-mo in Russian, means "power plant workers", although it was actually the KGB's team.  Then you have Inter Miami, an affectation upon Inter Milan; and the ultimate, Sporting Kansas City, an affectation upon Sporting Lisbon.  That team used the English word "Sporting" to ape the UK at the height of the British Empire.  So KC's use of it is an affectation of an affectation.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on March 31, 2020, 04:46:20 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on March 31, 2020, 11:41:31 AM
Quote from: Bruce on March 31, 2020, 04:13:18 AM
There's a vocal and annoying portion of the soccer fandom that are self-hating Americans and thus turn their backs on American-style names...

That pretty much covers it.  The point, for example, about "Real" is that it is an affectation.  Self-hating Americans, adopting names which have no relationship to the USA/Canada.  "Real" is from Real Madrid, meaning "Royal", an honor bestowed upon Madrid by the King of Spain 100 years ago...

Americans are fond of re-appropriating...well, nearly everything: rhyme and reason are optional. (Though alliteration counts.)

But on the other hand, I think many feel that there's a lot of stock team names which are too generic, or lose a lot of their impact from over-use. While many teams are drawn from public input, do we really need another team named for a predatory bird, feline, or type of warrior? You might not like the more unusual hokey names of minor league teams, but there's something about each one trying to create an identity out of many choices.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CoreySamson on March 31, 2020, 07:43:19 PM
Things that annoy me- Houston Sports Edition

- Rockets trading a great center in Clint Capela for a couple mediocre players and not having a starter over 6'6" .

-Bill O' Brien. Need I say more?

-The Astros cheating scandal.

-How other baseball fans bash the Astros for cheating and don't bash the Red Sox for doing the same thing.

-That Coronavirus stopped the XFL and put an end to the dream season of the Roughnecks, the only dominant pro football team Houston ever had.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on March 31, 2020, 08:08:11 PM
There are a few explanations for the acceptable European-styled MLS names:

Houston Dynamo - referencing the local energy industry and quickly put together after the initial name (Houston 1836) was rejected for offending the Latino community

Inter Miami - Not entirely bad considering that there are other leagues with their own teams named "Inter" (Brazil) and that Miami is an international city. The full club name is also in Spanish instead of Italian. The Milan club did sue and the outcome is still pending, so we'll see what happens there.

Sporting Kansas City - The original plan was to launch teams in rugby and lacrosse under the Sporting brand, but the recession and some other hiccups prevented it from happening. This is a successful rebrand of the Wizards, with a new stadium and revitalized support, so I'm not complaining.

For the rest, a proper name would be welcome. Many of the teams have their own nicknames that could eventually come to surpass the official name, but it will take time. A few of the early MLS era names have stood the test of time even if the teams are struggling to keep up with the hot new entrants.

Two of the four future expansion teams are still unnamed: St. Louis and Charlotte. Charlotte has a few options, but the "traditional" name of Charlotte Town FC is my favorite among the field, since it recalls the city's original name and rolls nicely off the tongue. St. Louis has a few names they can choose from their early 20th century dominance of American soccer, but I doubt they'll be choosing the likes of "St Leos" and "Stix, Baer and Fuller".
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Verlanka on April 01, 2020, 05:00:06 AM
Quote from: CoreySamson on March 31, 2020, 07:43:19 PM
- Rockets trading a great center in Clint Capela for a couple mediocre players and not having a starter over 6'6" .
I don't think Robert Covington is that mediocre.

As for the starter thing, having a small-ball lineup could come back to haunt them later on.

Quote from: CoreySamson on March 31, 2020, 07:43:19 PM-How other baseball fans bash the Astros for cheating and don't bash the Red Sox for doing the same thing.
Since when are the Red Sox cheating? Unless you're confusing them with the Patriots...
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on April 01, 2020, 03:31:03 PM
Quote from: Bruce on March 31, 2020, 08:08:11 PM
....

Sporting Kansas City - The original plan was to launch teams in rugby and lacrosse under the Sporting brand, but the recession and some other hiccups prevented it from happening. This is a successful rebrand of the Wizards, with a new stadium and revitalized support, so I'm not complaining.

....

I think Sporting Kansas City is a lame name, but that team's original name back when MLS was founded was "Kansas City Wiz" (not even Wizards back then), so just about anything is an improvement on that!
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CoreySamson on April 04, 2020, 01:34:22 PM
Quote from: Verlanka on April 01, 2020, 05:00:06 AM
Quote from: CoreySamson on March 31, 2020, 07:43:19 PM
- Rockets trading a great center in Clint Capela for a couple mediocre players and not having a starter over 6'6" .
I don't think Robert Covington is that mediocre.

As for the starter thing, having a small-ball lineup could come back to haunt them later on.

Quote from: CoreySamson on March 31, 2020, 07:43:19 PM-How other baseball fans bash the Astros for cheating and don't bash the Red Sox for doing the same thing.
Since when are the Red Sox cheating? Unless you're confusing them with the Patriots...

I thought the Red Sox were being investigated for stealing signs, just like the Astros.

I'm just annoyed because if you look at the Dodgers for instance, they lost to the Astros in the WS in 2017, and lost to the Red Sox in 2018, yet there is no hate directed toward the Red Sox from their fans, but there is tons of hate towards the Astros.

Here's the link to one of numerous articles about the Sox:

https://www.mlbdailydish.com/2020/3/26/21195793/red-sox-cheating-investigation-rob-manfred

I'm not saying what the Astros did was right. I'm just saying the Red Sox should get the same punishment as the Astros if they did the same thing.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on April 04, 2020, 01:45:24 PM
Quote from: CoreySamson on April 04, 2020, 01:34:22 PM
Quote from: Verlanka on April 01, 2020, 05:00:06 AM
Quote from: CoreySamson on March 31, 2020, 07:43:19 PM
- Rockets trading a great center in Clint Capela for a couple mediocre players and not having a starter over 6'6" .
I don't think Robert Covington is that mediocre.

As for the starter thing, having a small-ball lineup could come back to haunt them later on.

Quote from: CoreySamson on March 31, 2020, 07:43:19 PM-How other baseball fans bash the Astros for cheating and don't bash the Red Sox for doing the same thing.
Since when are the Red Sox cheating? Unless you're confusing them with the Patriots...

I thought the Red Sox were being investigated for stealing signs, just like the Astros.

I'm just annoyed because if you look at the Dodgers for instance, they lost to the Astros in the WS in 2017, and lost to the Red Sox in 2018, yet there is no hate directed toward the Red Sox from their fans, but there is tons of hate towards the Astros.

Here's the link to one of numerous articles about the Sox:

https://www.mlbdailydish.com/2020/3/26/21195793/red-sox-cheating-investigation-rob-manfred

I'm not saying what the Astros did was right. I'm just saying the Red Sox should get the same punishment as the Astros if they did the same thing.

The fact that the Red Sox have a much larger fan base and media draw probably plays a factor in why what they did gets downplayed.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Takumi on July 10, 2020, 10:22:05 AM
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Similarly, I liked Jeff Gordon because he is from Indiana and didn't stop liking him because of annoying fans.
I once saw a quote attributed to Ryan Newman around 2005, that said Jeff "isn't really a Hoosier. He's just not proud of being from San Francisco."

For me:
Fernando Alonso and his fanbase. For me, he's the biggest diva in motorsports this century, which is a very high bar. His toxic attitude and continual burning of bridges override his admittedly considerable talent for me, and I don't understand why he has so many people defending his every move even to this day.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on July 10, 2020, 12:51:11 PM
Quote from: Takumi on July 10, 2020, 10:22:05 AM
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Similarly, I liked Jeff Gordon because he is from Indiana and didn't stop liking him because of annoying fans.
I once saw a quote attributed to Ryan Newman around 2005, that said Jeff "isn't really a Hoosier. He's just not proud of being from San Francisco."

For me:
Fernando Alonso and his fanbase. For me, he's the biggest diva in motorsports this century, which is a very high bar. His toxic attitude and continual burning of bridges override his admittedly considerable talent for me, and I don't understand why he has so many people defending his every move even to this day.

Most social media fanbases are toxic, period. It's hard to eloquent in a few words.

Alonso is a diva, that's for certain. He's talented in nearly every car and team he's driven, but he needs a lot of attention focused on him, which isn't good as a supporting team role to any newcomer in a mid-pack team. That attitude always seems to be an excuse for any lost time on the track. He wilted when Hamilton was faster than him. He came out smelling like a rose after the debacle of the 2008 Singapore GP (Crashgate) and everyone else was to blame. He just stopped trying in his last season at McLaren, which seems to be a common trait with champions in their last season (or a season in a bad car).

Honestly, it's hard to find world champs which aren't or weren't petulant at times...once they're champions or proven winners, there's a tendency to feel like they're bigger than the team which helped with their success. Senna was a diva, Prost was a diva, Mansell was a diva, and so forth.

Most drivers aren't all that good after a few years away from F1. Kimi Raikonnen is an exception, and so was Niki Lauda. Mansell lucked into a single win, but nearly everyone else who'd been away over a year or two has disappointed or just didn't belong.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Takumi on July 10, 2020, 07:11:50 PM
Quote from: formulanone on July 10, 2020, 12:51:11 PM
Alonso is a diva, that's for certain. He's talented in nearly every car and team he's driven, but he needs a lot of attention focused on him, which isn't good as a supporting team role to any newcomer in a mid-pack team. That attitude always seems to be an excuse for any lost time on the track. He wilted when Hamilton was faster than him. He came out smelling like a rose after the debacle of the 2008 Singapore GP (Crashgate) and everyone else was to blame. He just stopped trying in his last season at McLaren, which seems to be a common trait with champions in their last season (or a season in a bad car).
Yeah, I never really liked him in the first place. I started paying attention to F1 in 2005, when he and Kimi were dueling for the title since Bridgestone shit the bed that year (the obvious exception of Indy notwithstanding). There was just something about him that rubbed me the wrong way. His actions in 2007 and 2008 confirmed my suspicions. His tendency of pointing fingers at everyone but himself reminds me of a certain someone, now that I think about it...

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Honestly, it's hard to find world champs which aren't or weren't petulant at times...once they're champions or proven winners, there's a tendency to feel like they're bigger than the team which helped with their success. Senna was a diva, Prost was a diva, Mansell was a diva, and so forth.
Yeah. I’ve noticed it with Hamilton and Vettel as well, though maybe not as extreme as the likes of Senna* and Alonso. Even somewhat with Verstappen and Leclerc, even though they haven’t won a title yet. Kimi is just Kimi.

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Most drivers aren't all that good after a few years away from F1. Kimi Raikonnen is an exception, and so was Niki Lauda. Mansell lucked into a single win, but nearly everyone else who'd been away over a year or two has disappointed or just didn't belong.
That’s true. Between that and the state of Renault under Cyril, I don’t expect much, but I’ve been wrong before.

*ETA: it pains me to compare Senna and Alonso, because even though I was 8 when Senna died, he’s my all time favorite racing driver. Yes, he was a diva, but he seemed like he genuinely cared about people off the track, with his concerns for safety and his well-documented charitable causes for his home country. An aside: earlier this year his former agent claimed Williams had offered him a contract for 1992, but Honda convinced him to stay with McLaren, as they said at the time they were building an engine to be a better match against the Renault V10 that Williams were using, though that obviously never materialized and Honda’s factory efforts ended after 1992. (You of course had Mugen tuning old Honda units in the interim until the factory effort returned in 2000 with BAR.) Imagine if he’d gone to Williams for 1992. We’d probably be talking about Lewis trying to match his records, not Schumacher’s. Alas, we’ll never know.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: I-55 on September 03, 2020, 11:40:47 PM
How the Bengals always lose in the worst way possible and can't win in primetime
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on September 04, 2020, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: I-55 on September 03, 2020, 11:40:47 PM
How the Bengals always lose in the worst way possible and can't win in primetime
Conversely, it really annoyed me how much the media ripped on them during that weird run of years from 2011 to 2015 where they would always be good in the regular season but faceplant in the playoffs. They were one of only three teams, with the Patriots and Packers being the others, to make the playoffs every year during that stretch, yet if you only listened to the talking heads you'd have thought they were the 2008 Lions.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on September 04, 2020, 02:32:57 PM
Watching more baseball this year. 

Uniform rants:

First, wearing the "batting practice" colored tops, rather than white or gray, is just lazy.  Its like not wearing a tie to work or church.  It is saying "hey, this game really is not that big a deal, I really didn't have to dress up for it."

Second, back in the 70s and 80s about a third of the league wore what they called "victory blue" on the road, rather than gray.  Basically a baby blue, close to UNC blue.  Fine.  It was a nice change up.  Last year, and more so this year, teams are having "throwback" days, and wearing the old baby blue uniforms.  At home.  So you have one team in road grays and  the other in road baby blues?  It is an AWAY uniform.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 05, 2020, 08:04:10 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on September 04, 2020, 02:32:57 PM
Watching more baseball this year. 

Uniform rants:

First, wearing the "batting practice" colored tops, rather than white or gray, is just lazy.  Its like not wearing a tie to work or church.  It is saying "hey, this game really is not that big a deal, I really didn't have to dress up for it."

Second, back in the 70s and 80s about a third of the league wore what they called "victory blue" on the road, rather than gray.  Basically a baby blue, close to UNC blue.  Fine.  It was a nice change up.  Last year, and more so this year, teams are having "throwback" days, and wearing the old baby blue uniforms.  At home.  So you have one team in road grays and  the other in road baby blues?  It is an AWAY uniform.




I stopped regularly wearing ties to work years ago and, outside of a wedding or funeral, never wear one to church.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on September 12, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
Here's one thing that doesn't necessarily annoy me, but has piqued my curiosity.

When did putting "Jr." on the back of your uniform become a thing? Seems like it's been the last 5-10 years for college athletes.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SEWIGuy on September 12, 2020, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
Here's one thing that doesn't necessarily annoy me, but has piqued my curiosity.

When did putting "Jr." on the back of your uniform become a thing? Seems like it's been the last 5-10 years for college athletes.

Sounds about right.  There is someone on the LA Clippers that has Sr. on his jersey as well.

Just a nice way to honor one's father / son I guess.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on September 12, 2020, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
Here's one thing that doesn't necessarily annoy me, but has piqued my curiosity.

When did putting "Jr." on the back of your uniform become a thing? Seems like it's been the last 5-10 years for college athletes.
My guess is we're starting to see more family legacies in sports. As athletes become more and more trained and conditioned, you'll see more and more lineage in sports vs. new generations having different families, because it's more likely to get progeny into sports if the parent(s) knows what it takes.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Takumi on September 12, 2020, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
Here's one thing that doesn't necessarily annoy me, but has piqued my curiosity.

When did putting "Jr." on the back of your uniform become a thing? Seems like it's been the last 5-10 years for college athletes.
I'm surprised Ken Griffey Jr. didn't start this trend. When he debuted in 1989, alongside his father, his uniform just said Griffey.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on September 14, 2020, 01:35:42 PM
Quote from: Takumi on September 12, 2020, 11:33:56 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
Here's one thing that doesn't necessarily annoy me, but has piqued my curiosity.

When did putting "Jr." on the back of your uniform become a thing? Seems like it's been the last 5-10 years for college athletes.
I'm surprised Ken Griffey Jr. didn't start this trend. When he debuted in 1989, alongside his father, his uniform just said Griffey.

That was my first thought as well. NASCAR has highlighted the "Jr." thing for years, even if the "Sr." wasn't all that well-known. Bobby Hillin Jr., Martin Truex Jr., etc. And of course Dale Jr. had to be Dale Jr., even though dad didn't adopt the "Sr." suffix. Leaderboard rundowns show "Truex Jr." even though there's no Truex Sr. in the race.

Contrast the way Kyle and Kurt Busch are listed ("Ky Busch" and either "Ku Busch" or "Kt Busch") to the way the Harrison twins' names were listed on their backs when they played basketball for UK. No "Aa Harrison" (Aaron) or "An Harrison" (Andrew) but just "Harrison" for both of them.

Quote from: Alps on September 12, 2020, 08:14:54 PM

My guess is we're starting to see more family legacies in sports. As athletes become more and more trained and conditioned, you'll see more and more lineage in sports vs. new generations having different families, because it's more likely to get progeny into sports if the parent(s) knows what it takes.
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Could be. Seems like a lot of UK football players have done it over the past few years, and increasingly, basketball players as well, even though their fathers had no ties to the Wildcats program. Lynn Bowden Jr. and Keion Brooks Jr. being two recent examples.

It's a curiosity for which I never heard or read an explanation, and it's something I've wondered about.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on September 14, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Quarterback Robert Griffin III wore "III" on the back of his jersey at Baylor because there was another Robert Griffin, an offensive lineman, playing for the team.

The NFL changed the rules to allow for the generational suffix prior to the former player's signing with the Redskins, though I don't think I ever saw anything saying why they decided to allow it or why they might not have allowed it previously.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Takumi on September 14, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
Quote
Leaderboard rundowns show "Truex Jr." even though there's no Truex Sr. in the race.
IIRC, Martin Truex Sr. was a Busch North Series driver in the 80s and 90s. Certainly no overlap with his son, but the Jr. still persists. (Bobby Hillin Sr., from what I’ve read, built open-wheel cars in the 1970s but outside his son’s involvement had little if any NASCAR presence.)

I know Jeb Burton (Ward’s son) has raced in NASCAR for a few years now, but I haven’t paid as much attention to it as I do open wheel, so I haven’t noticed whether they refer to him as Jeb Burton or just J. Burton, since Jeff is long retired but his son Harrison now runs in the Busch/Trucks series.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 15, 2020, 06:56:24 AM
Quote from: Takumi on September 14, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
Quote
Leaderboard rundowns show "Truex Jr." even though there's no Truex Sr. in the race.
IIRC, Martin Truex Sr. was a Busch North Series driver in the 80s and 90s. Certainly no overlap with his son, but the Jr. still persists. (Bobby Hillin Sr., from what I've read, built open-wheel cars in the 1970s but outside his son's involvement had little if any NASCAR presence.)

I know Jeb Burton (Ward's son) has raced in NASCAR for a few years now, but I haven't paid as much attention to it as I do open wheel, so I haven't noticed whether they refer to him as Jeb Burton or just J. Burton, since Jeff is long retired but his son Harrison now runs in the Busch/Trucks series.

They refer to him as Jeb because Jeff's son Harrison also races.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kenarmy on February 18, 2021, 02:09:54 PM
Omg yes I hate all the burton prefix things, but I haven't seen any of them racing recently.

- The Jacksonville Jaguars colors. Gross.
- The Cleveland Browns colors. Gross. Really orange and brown?
- Danica Patrick not winning a race before she retired
- Daniel Suaréz getting done down right dirty. He won the xfinity series championship and now he's struggling to find a full-time ride.
- Dodge leaving NASCAR, even though they won the championship in their last year.
- The entire Penske team
- Michael Waltrip's voice. I like him though
- Darrell Waltrip retiring therefore I no longer hear "boogity boogity boogity lets go racing boys"  :-/
- Competition Cautions
- Beyonce not performing Beautiful Liar at the superbowl with Shakira.
- Bristol Motor Speedway's existence. Gross
- The NY Jets. Do I really need to explain.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on February 18, 2021, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on February 18, 2021, 02:09:54 PM
- The NY Jets. Do I really need to explain.
The Jets are just sad. Why do they annoy you?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kenarmy on February 19, 2021, 12:46:23 AM
Quote from: Alps on February 18, 2021, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on February 18, 2021, 02:09:54 PM
- The NY Jets. Do I really need to explain.
The Jets are just sad. Why do they annoy you?

1. Their logo is so unattractive and the recent update made it even worse.
2. It's already bad enough that we have the poo poo Giants in New York.
3. What are "jets" anyway.. Like yeah the thing in the sky but what? (Ok but I have to admit the "jets flight club" is a neat name for the cheerleaders)
4. Their W-L records. embarrassing.
5. The franchise is just so boring.. What fun am I going to have by being a Jets fan? Painting myself Green? It must be mentally exhausting.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on February 19, 2021, 12:54:38 AM
Quote from: kenarmy on February 19, 2021, 12:46:23 AM
Quote from: Alps on February 18, 2021, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on February 18, 2021, 02:09:54 PM
- The NY Jets. Do I really need to explain.
The Jets are just sad. Why do they annoy you?

1. Their logo is so unattractive and the recent update made it even worse.
2. It's already bad enough that we have the poo poo Giants in New York.
3. What are "jets" anyway.. Like yeah the thing in the sky but what? (Ok but I have to admit the "jets flight club" is a neat name for the cheerleaders)
4. Their W-L records. embarrassing.
5. The franchise is just so boring.. What fun am I going to have by being a Jets fan? Painting myself Green? It must be mentally exhausting.

... why does a team you're not a fan of annoy you? that's embarrassing
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kenarmy on February 19, 2021, 01:11:18 AM
Quote from: Alps on February 19, 2021, 12:54:38 AM
Quote from: kenarmy on February 19, 2021, 12:46:23 AM
Quote from: Alps on February 18, 2021, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on February 18, 2021, 02:09:54 PM
- The NY Jets. Do I really need to explain.
The Jets are just sad. Why do they annoy you?

1. Their logo is so unattractive and the recent update made it even worse.
2. It's already bad enough that we have the poo poo Giants in New York.
3. What are "jets" anyway.. Like yeah the thing in the sky but what? (Ok but I have to admit the "jets flight club" is a neat name for the cheerleaders)
4. Their W-L records. embarrassing.
5. The franchise is just so boring.. What fun am I going to have by being a Jets fan? Painting myself Green? It must be mentally exhausting.

... why does a team you're not a fan of annoy you? that's embarrassing

aren't we all not fans of things that annoy us? But that's just me. Maybe I'll make a questionnaire for myself to figure out the answer.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on February 19, 2021, 07:25:37 AM
'delay of game' penalties.

first thing that happens when this is called, is the clock is stopped, thus delaying the game even further.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 19, 2021, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on February 19, 2021, 07:25:37 AM
'delay of game' penalties.

first thing that happens when this is called, is the clock is stopped, thus delaying the game even further.

I know it's the letter of the rule, but I hate when refs blow it dead when the snap is simultaneous with the clock hitting 0. Usually what happens is teams get an extra second because the ref has to look at the clock and then at the ball, but sometimes they'll nail teams right when it hits zero.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: snowc on February 19, 2021, 02:15:09 PM
When the other team in NFL runs the football toward the endzone without anyone stopping him.
Going for 2 points to tie the game (OT)
Constant advertisements about State Farm and Jake.
When CBS advertises stuff that is BLANTENTLY unrelated to football (were talking to you nantz and romo)
Patriots (now Bucs) winning the super bowl (yawn...)
and save the best for last
THE HAIL MURRAY!!!  :banghead:


edited for excessive animation
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: snowc on February 19, 2021, 02:16:13 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 19, 2021, 12:54:38 AM
Quote from: kenarmy on February 19, 2021, 12:46:23 AM
Quote from: Alps on February 18, 2021, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: kenarmy on February 18, 2021, 02:09:54 PM
- The NY Jets. Do I really need to explain.
The Jets are just sad. Why do they annoy you?

1. Their logo is so unattractive and the recent update made it even worse.
2. It's already bad enough that we have the poo poo Giants in New York.
3. What are "jets" anyway.. Like yeah the thing in the sky but what? (Ok but I have to admit the "jets flight club" is a neat name for the cheerleaders)
4. Their W-L records. embarrassing.
5. The franchise is just so boring.. What fun am I going to have by being a Jets fan? Painting myself Green? It must be mentally exhausting.

... why does a team you're not a fan of annoy you? that's embarrassing
ooof... even though im not a fan of the jets, im still a partial jets fan from time to time.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on February 21, 2021, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: snowc on February 19, 2021, 02:15:09 PM
and save the best for last
THE HAIL MURRAY!!!  :banghead:

Why does that bother you?

It happened against the local team here in Western NY, and I'm not annoyed by it. Sure, it was a gut-punch at the time, but it was also one of the most incredible plays of the season, and it fueled the Bills to six straight double-digit wins to end the season.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: snowc on February 21, 2021, 12:12:48 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2021, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: snowc on February 19, 2021, 02:15:09 PM
and save the best for last
THE HAIL MURRAY!!!  :banghead:

Why does that bother you?

It happened against the local team here in Western NY, and I'm not annoyed by it. Sure, it was a gut-punch at the time, but it was also one of the most incredible plays of the season, and it fueled the Bills to six straight double-digit wins to end the season.
It irks me because of the fact that the Bills were up 28-24 and then Kyle Murray had to throw it all the way to the endzone and thats how The cardinals won.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on February 21, 2021, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: snowc on February 21, 2021, 12:12:48 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 21, 2021, 11:36:13 AM
Quote from: snowc on February 19, 2021, 02:15:09 PM
and save the best for last
THE HAIL MURRAY!!!  :banghead:

Why does that bother you?

It happened against the local team here in Western NY, and I'm not annoyed by it. Sure, it was a gut-punch at the time, but it was also one of the most incredible plays of the season, and it fueled the Bills to six straight double-digit wins to end the season.
It irks me because of the fact that the Bills were up 28-24 and then Kyle Murray had to throw it all the way to the endzone and thats how The cardinals won.

From the guy whose team was the victim of the original Hail Mary and stuck in the same division as the "master"  of the play, you're good.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 21, 2021, 10:23:37 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on February 19, 2021, 07:25:37 AM
'delay of game' penalties.

first thing that happens when this is called, is the clock is stopped, thus delaying the game even further.

For that matter any penalty that is declined.  Is it really necessary to waste time telling us about it?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 21, 2021, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: snowc on February 19, 2021, 02:15:09 PM

Going for 2 points to tie the game (OT)
Constant advertisements about State Farm and Jake.



edited for excessive animation

When 1 point will tie and two points will win it and they just take the one and take their chances in OT.  Just be ballsy and go for it!!

Anything having to do with Flo.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on February 21, 2021, 11:07:10 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on February 21, 2021, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: snowc on February 21, 2021, 12:12:48 PM
It irks me because of the fact that the Bills were up 28-24 and then Kyle Murray had to throw it all the way to the endzone and thats how The cardinals won.

From the guy whose team was the victim of the original Hail Mary and stuck in the same division as the "master"  of the play, you're good.

Yes, I'm sure you were tremendously pained by it back in 1975  :-D

(I really don't have a strong take on this issue, I just like it when wild stuff happens no matter who it's for or against.)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 21, 2021, 11:29:28 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 21, 2021, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: snowc on February 19, 2021, 02:15:09 PM

Going for 2 points to tie the game (OT)
Constant advertisements about State Farm and Jake.



edited for excessive animation

When 1 point will tie and two points will win it and they just take the one and take their chances in OT.  Just be ballsy and go for it!!

Anything having to do with Flo.

Unwritten rule is go for 1 at home and go for 2 on the road.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 23, 2021, 06:29:14 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 21, 2021, 11:29:28 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 21, 2021, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: snowc on February 19, 2021, 02:15:09 PM

Going for 2 points to tie the game (OT)
Constant advertisements about State Farm and Jake.



edited for excessive animation

When 1 point will tie and two points will win it and they just take the one and take their chances in OT.  Just be ballsy and go for it!!

Anything having to do with Flo.

Unwritten rule is go for 1 at home and go for 2 on the road.



Most coaches have the main goal of staying in as long as they can.  If they lose in OT it won't be their fault.  If they go for it and fail, it will.  The whole risk aversion principle. Statisically you make it going for two half as often as going for one so it's really a coin toss anyway, and why not put it away while you can instead of letting the coin decide.  Oh yeah, they all trust their defenses more than their offenses.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 24, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 23, 2021, 06:29:14 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 21, 2021, 11:29:28 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 21, 2021, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: snowc on February 19, 2021, 02:15:09 PM

Going for 2 points to tie the game (OT)
Constant advertisements about State Farm and Jake.



edited for excessive animation

When 1 point will tie and two points will win it and they just take the one and take their chances in OT.  Just be ballsy and go for it!!

Anything having to do with Flo.

Unwritten rule is go for 1 at home and go for 2 on the road.



Most coaches have the main goal of staying in as long as they can.  If they lose in OT it won't be their fault.  If they go for it and fail, it will.  The whole risk aversion principle. Statisically you make it going for two half as often as going for one so it's really a coin toss anyway, and why not put it away while you can instead of letting the coin decide.  Oh yeah, they all trust their defenses more than their offenses.

The perception is that if you go for 1 and lose in overtime, it's the players' fault, but if you go for 2 and don't get it, it's the coach's fault, which is why you rarely see teams go for 2.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on February 25, 2021, 08:47:02 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 24, 2021, 07:32:36 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 23, 2021, 06:29:14 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 21, 2021, 11:29:28 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 21, 2021, 10:25:14 PM
Quote from: snowc on February 19, 2021, 02:15:09 PM

Going for 2 points to tie the game (OT)
Constant advertisements about State Farm and Jake.



edited for excessive animation

When 1 point will tie and two points will win it and they just take the one and take their chances in OT.  Just be ballsy and go for it!!

Anything having to do with Flo.

Unwritten rule is go for 1 at home and go for 2 on the road.



Most coaches have the main goal of staying in as long as they can.  If they lose in OT it won't be their fault.  If they go for it and fail, it will.  The whole risk aversion principle. Statisically you make it going for two half as often as going for one so it's really a coin toss anyway, and why not put it away while you can instead of letting the coin decide.  Oh yeah, they all trust their defenses more than their offenses.

The perception is that if you go for 1 and lose in overtime, it's the players' fault, but if you go for 2 and don't get it, it's the coach's fault, which is why you rarely see teams go for 2.
Over the last few years, it feels like more teams are going for two than not. Statistically, it's slightly better to play for overtime (50% overtime win chance vs 49.5% two point conversion chance). That doesn't factor in the chance that the other team could win the game with a quick score on the ensuing possession (i.e. Packers score a TD and get two to go up 21-20 with 0:30 left, but Bears win 23-21 on a last second FG).

Of course, two point conversion success rates have risen over the last few years. It seems like every coach has a two-point play that they're confident in. Because the win percentages are so similar, I can understand both sides of it.

But something similar that I don't understand is the mentality around ties. Maybe it's a "me tough guy me no ties"  thing. But if you listened to the media and knew nothing about sports, you would legitimately think that losses are better than ties. Yes, it's a boring and anticlimactic outcome for a neutral fan. But if you call yourself a good athlete yet you would rather lose than tie, you're delusional. Ties are better than losses 100% of the time.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: mgk920 on February 26, 2021, 11:59:12 PM
Especially since in most of the sports that allow them, draws are counted in the standings as either a third or half of a win.  Much, much better than a straight up loss.

:nod:

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: bm7 on February 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I don't watch it much, but what annoys me about college basketball is the intentional fouls at the end of close games. Besides making the last minute of game time take forever, the fact that getting a foul is advantageous is ridiculous. The point of a foul is that it's a punishment for breaking the rules of the game. If that punishment is putting your team in a better position, clearly something should be changed. But nobody seems bothered by this and it's just "part of the game".
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2021, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I don't watch it much, but what annoys me about college basketball is the intentional fouls at the end of close games. Besides making the last minute of game time take forever, the fact that getting a foul is advantageous is ridiculous. The point of a foul is that it's a punishment for breaking the rules of the game. If that punishment is putting your team in a better position, clearly something should be changed. But nobody seems bothered by this and it's just "part of the game".

All levels of basketball are like this, including Pro and HS as well.

There is something inherently wrong with this.  Football has it to a minor extent that only works occasionally, and there are rules in place to make sure a team can't do this multiple times to their advantage.  Baseball, same thing, especially in terms of a intentional walk.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 27, 2021, 04:11:28 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2021, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I don't watch it much, but what annoys me about college basketball is the intentional fouls at the end of close games. Besides making the last minute of game time take forever, the fact that getting a foul is advantageous is ridiculous. The point of a foul is that it's a punishment for breaking the rules of the game. If that punishment is putting your team in a better position, clearly something should be changed. But nobody seems bothered by this and it's just "part of the game".

All levels of basketball are like this, including Pro and HS as well.

There is something inherently wrong with this.  Football has it to a minor extent that only works occasionally, and there are rules in place to make sure a team can't do this multiple times to their advantage.  Baseball, same thing, especially in terms of a intentional walk.

Here's an idea that could work for both football and basketball: eliminate the game clock. Take the average number of possessions per game and award each team that number of possessions, regardless of how long it takes. Keep the play/shot clocks to prevent the individual possessions from becoming too long.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on February 27, 2021, 04:28:55 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on February 27, 2021, 04:11:28 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2021, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I don't watch it much, but what annoys me about college basketball is the intentional fouls at the end of close games. Besides making the last minute of game time take forever, the fact that getting a foul is advantageous is ridiculous. The point of a foul is that it's a punishment for breaking the rules of the game. If that punishment is putting your team in a better position, clearly something should be changed. But nobody seems bothered by this and it's just "part of the game".

All levels of basketball are like this, including Pro and HS as well.

There is something inherently wrong with this.  Football has it to a minor extent that only works occasionally, and there are rules in place to make sure a team can't do this multiple times to their advantage.  Baseball, same thing, especially in terms of a intentional walk.

Here's an idea that could work for both football and basketball: eliminate the game clock. Take the average number of possessions per game and award each team that number of possessions, regardless of how long it takes. Keep the play/shot clocks to prevent the individual possessions from becoming too long.
Ick. That would ruin the game.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on February 27, 2021, 04:55:11 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I don't watch it much, but what annoys me about college basketball is the intentional fouls at the end of close games. Besides making the last minute of game time take forever, the fact that getting a foul is advantageous is ridiculous. The point of a foul is that it's a punishment for breaking the rules of the game. If that punishment is putting your team in a better position, clearly something should be changed. But nobody seems bothered by this and it's just "part of the game".

What I really hate is when the trailing team does that even when they're way behind and have no hope of catching up. Not all coaches will have their teams do it in that situation, but some will, and it's infuriating that it takes 20 minutes to play 90 seconds of basketball.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on February 27, 2021, 06:24:37 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2021, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I don't watch it much, but what annoys me about college basketball is the intentional fouls at the end of close games. Besides making the last minute of game time take forever, the fact that getting a foul is advantageous is ridiculous. The point of a foul is that it's a punishment for breaking the rules of the game. If that punishment is putting your team in a better position, clearly something should be changed. But nobody seems bothered by this and it's just "part of the game".

All levels of basketball are like this, including Pro and HS as well.

There is something inherently wrong with this.  Football has it to a minor extent that only works occasionally, and there are rules in place to make sure a team can't do this multiple times to their advantage.  Baseball, same thing, especially in terms of a intentional walk.
My take, which another friend one mentioned to me, is that you should get a foul shot and then retain possession. The incentive for fouling goes away if you don't get the ball.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: wanderer2575 on February 27, 2021, 07:06:55 PM
Football players pointing in their offensive direction after a fumble and a pileup.  Yeah, no kidding, you think you recovered.  How about we hear it from the refs?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CoreySamson on February 27, 2021, 10:49:21 PM
I had a really simple idea to make basketball's fouling a bit more tolerable; simply give the fouled team one point and one free throw on a shooting foul. That would still incorporate free throws, but it would make the game a lot faster, especially near the end of the game. It might also cut down on Hack-A-Shaq strategies.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: mgk920 on February 27, 2021, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 27, 2021, 06:24:37 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2021, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I don't watch it much, but what annoys me about college basketball is the intentional fouls at the end of close games. Besides making the last minute of game time take forever, the fact that getting a foul is advantageous is ridiculous. The point of a foul is that it's a punishment for breaking the rules of the game. If that punishment is putting your team in a better position, clearly something should be changed. But nobody seems bothered by this and it's just "part of the game".


All levels of basketball are like this, including Pro and HS as well.

There is something inherently wrong with this.  Football has it to a minor extent that only works occasionally, and there are rules in place to make sure a team can't do this multiple times to their advantage.  Baseball, same thing, especially in terms of a intentional walk.
My take, which another friend one mentioned to me, is that you should get a foul shot and then retain possession. The incentive for fouling goes away if you don't get the ball.
Howabout the team of the fouled player having the choice of taking the ball out of bounds from the sideline spot closest to the spot of the foul or shooting free throws from the choice of either the free throw line or the spot of the foul?

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 28, 2021, 09:07:42 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 27, 2021, 04:55:11 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I don't watch it much, but what annoys me about college basketball is the intentional fouls at the end of close games. Besides making the last minute of game time take forever, the fact that getting a foul is advantageous is ridiculous. The point of a foul is that it's a punishment for breaking the rules of the game. If that punishment is putting your team in a better position, clearly something should be changed. But nobody seems bothered by this and it's just "part of the game".

What I really hate is when the trailing team does that even when they're way behind and have no hope of catching up. Not all coaches will have their teams do it in that situation, but some will, and it's infuriating that it takes 20 minutes to play 90 seconds of basketball.

I like the idea of a free point.  or maybe they should be able to take a knee lol.

Fouling is as bad as icing the kicker.  There is no statistical difference, it just wastes a lot of time.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 28, 2021, 09:08:20 PM
Quote from: wanderer2575 on February 27, 2021, 07:06:55 PM
Football players pointing in their offensive direction after a fumble and a pileup.  Yeah, no kidding, you think you recovered.  How about we hear it from the refs?


yes but if more of your guys are pointing you get the ball :P
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tchafe1978 on February 28, 2021, 11:29:40 PM
Fouling at the end of a basketball game when your team is behind is not pointless. Yes, it makes the game drag on, but if you're only behind by a possession or two, it's how you stop the other team from simply running out the clock. The hope is the other team misses their free throws, thereby allowing your team a chance to come back. It's been a simple strategy in basketball for like forever. It's not going anywhere, no matter how many silly other ways we come up with to change the end strategies.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on March 01, 2021, 07:35:40 AM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on February 28, 2021, 11:29:40 PM
Fouling at the end of a basketball game when your team is behind is not pointless. Yes, it makes the game drag on, but if you're only behind by a possession or two, it's how you stop the other team from simply running out the clock. The hope is the other team misses their free throws, thereby allowing your team a chance to come back. It's been a simple strategy in basketball for like forever. It's not going anywhere, no matter how many silly other ways we come up with to change the end strategies.

Right, but....

Quote from: 1995hoo on February 27, 2021, 04:55:11 PM
What I really hate is when the trailing team does that even when they're way behind and have no hope of catching up. Not all coaches will have their teams do it in that situation, but some will, and it's infuriating that it takes 20 minutes to play 90 seconds of basketball.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on March 01, 2021, 07:37:39 AM
make the shot clock shorter the last few minutes??
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: epzik8 on March 08, 2021, 07:18:30 AM
I don't care about the expansion of the NFL playoffs to 14 teams, but did they have to add a week in the regular season. Now nobody can finish .500.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 08, 2021, 07:32:11 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on March 08, 2021, 07:18:30 AM
I don't care about the expansion of the NFL playoffs to 14 teams, but did they have to add a week in the regular season. Now nobody can finish .500.

8-8-1
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jp the roadgeek on March 12, 2021, 08:18:58 AM
NFL (and 1983-2004 NHL) final score listings where a game ends in a tie and you see (OT) after the listing.  OF COURSE IF IT ENDED IN A TIE THE GAME WENT TO OT. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on March 12, 2021, 08:26:11 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 12, 2021, 08:18:58 AM
NFL (and 1983-2004 NHL) final score listings where a game ends in a tie and you see (OT) after the listing.  OF COURSE IF IT ENDED IN A TIE THE GAME WENT TO OT.

Thunderstorms can't end games early?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on March 12, 2021, 08:32:09 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 12, 2021, 08:18:58 AM
NFL (and 1983-2004 NHL) final score listings where a game ends in a tie and you see (OT) after the listing.  OF COURSE IF IT ENDED IN A TIE THE GAME WENT TO OT.

On the other hand, (OT) is useful for games that didn't end up tied, and it's not worth specifically excluding the ties, since there's usually only one or two per year.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on March 12, 2021, 09:14:58 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 12, 2021, 08:18:58 AM
NFL (and 1983-2004 NHL) final score listings where a game ends in a tie and you see (OT) after the listing.  OF COURSE IF IT ENDED IN A TIE THE GAME WENT TO OT. 

Ugh the mythical non losses (overtime losses)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jp the roadgeek on March 12, 2021, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: 1 on March 12, 2021, 08:26:11 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 12, 2021, 08:18:58 AM
NFL (and 1983-2004 NHL) final score listings where a game ends in a tie and you see (OT) after the listing.  OF COURSE IF IT ENDED IN A TIE THE GAME WENT TO OT.

Thunderstorms can't end games early?

Maybe in the preseason, but that would say SUSP.  In baseball, you'd see F/(# innings) if a game ends early, but tie games are now suspended and not replayed from scratch.  In the NFL, regular season games are suspended and picked up after the weather has passed or at a later date (or alternate venue) if necessary (such as in the case of a disaster like an earthquake, civil emergency, or a structure collapse/fire.)  Same could be said about the NBA and NHL (though weather is only a factor in outdoor NHL games; games PPD because of a blizzard are usually done so ahead of time).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on March 12, 2021, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on March 12, 2021, 09:14:58 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 12, 2021, 08:18:58 AM
NFL (and 1983-2004 NHL) final score listings where a game ends in a tie and you see (OT) after the listing.  OF COURSE IF IT ENDED IN A TIE THE GAME WENT TO OT. 

Ugh the mythical non losses (overtime losses)
I hate that there's a loser point without a balancing winner point. Two teams have an incentive to go to overtime if they both need a point for playoff standings and maybe knock out a more hated/dangerous rival. Should be 3-2-1-0 - 3 pt win in regulation.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on March 12, 2021, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: Alps on March 12, 2021, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on March 12, 2021, 09:14:58 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 12, 2021, 08:18:58 AM
NFL (and 1983-2004 NHL) final score listings where a game ends in a tie and you see (OT) after the listing.  OF COURSE IF IT ENDED IN A TIE THE GAME WENT TO OT. 

Ugh the mythical non losses (overtime losses)
I hate that there's a loser point without a balancing winner point. Two teams have an incentive to go to overtime if they both need a point for playoff standings and maybe knock out a more hated/dangerous rival. Should be 3-2-1-0 - 3 pt win in regulation.

but then they'd always play for overtime.

whats wrong with W/L/T records with an overtime and no shootout?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on March 13, 2021, 02:35:06 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on March 12, 2021, 10:38:02 PM
Quote from: Alps on March 12, 2021, 08:50:36 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on March 12, 2021, 09:14:58 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on March 12, 2021, 08:18:58 AM
NFL (and 1983-2004 NHL) final score listings where a game ends in a tie and you see (OT) after the listing.  OF COURSE IF IT ENDED IN A TIE THE GAME WENT TO OT. 

Ugh the mythical non losses (overtime losses)
I hate that there's a loser point without a balancing winner point. Two teams have an incentive to go to overtime if they both need a point for playoff standings and maybe knock out a more hated/dangerous rival. Should be 3-2-1-0 - 3 pt win in regulation.

but then they'd always play for overtime.

whats wrong with W/L/T records with an overtime and no shootout?
There is more incentive to win in regulation if it's worth an extra point.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on March 13, 2021, 10:16:38 AM
I would just get rid of regular season hockey overtime altogether. If it's a tie, it's a tie. Cuts down on injuries and makes regulation more exciting.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: HTM Duke on April 22, 2021, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 27, 2021, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 27, 2021, 06:24:37 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2021, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I don't watch it much, but what annoys me about college basketball is the intentional fouls at the end of close games. Besides making the last minute of game time take forever, the fact that getting a foul is advantageous is ridiculous. The point of a foul is that it's a punishment for breaking the rules of the game. If that punishment is putting your team in a better position, clearly something should be changed. But nobody seems bothered by this and it's just "part of the game".


All levels of basketball are like this, including Pro and HS as well.

There is something inherently wrong with this.  Football has it to a minor extent that only works occasionally, and there are rules in place to make sure a team can't do this multiple times to their advantage.  Baseball, same thing, especially in terms of a intentional walk.
My take, which another friend one mentioned to me, is that you should get a foul shot and then retain possession. The incentive for fouling goes away if you don't get the ball.
Howabout the team of the fouled player having the choice of taking the ball out of bounds from the sideline spot closest to the spot of the foul or shooting free throws from the choice of either the free throw line or the spot of the foul?

Mike

I apologize for the bump, but the NCAA did actually experiment with this rule in one of the pre-season NIT tournaments years ago.  Once a team was in the double bonus (10+ fouls), they were allowed to either shoot two FT's or to just retain possession and pass the ball back in to resume play.  This was a one-time deal though, and the NCAA never tried out this rule change again.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on April 22, 2021, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: HTM Duke on April 22, 2021, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 27, 2021, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 27, 2021, 06:24:37 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2021, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I don't watch it much, but what annoys me about college basketball is the intentional fouls at the end of close games. Besides making the last minute of game time take forever, the fact that getting a foul is advantageous is ridiculous. The point of a foul is that it's a punishment for breaking the rules of the game. If that punishment is putting your team in a better position, clearly something should be changed. But nobody seems bothered by this and it's just "part of the game".


All levels of basketball are like this, including Pro and HS as well.

There is something inherently wrong with this.  Football has it to a minor extent that only works occasionally, and there are rules in place to make sure a team can't do this multiple times to their advantage.  Baseball, same thing, especially in terms of a intentional walk.
My take, which another friend one mentioned to me, is that you should get a foul shot and then retain possession. The incentive for fouling goes away if you don't get the ball.
Howabout the team of the fouled player having the choice of taking the ball out of bounds from the sideline spot closest to the spot of the foul or shooting free throws from the choice of either the free throw line or the spot of the foul?

Mike

I apologize for the bump, but the NCAA did actually experiment with this rule in one of the pre-season NIT tournaments years ago.  Once a team was in the double bonus (10+ fouls), they were allowed to either shoot two FT's or to just retain possession and pass the ball back in to resume play.  This was a one-time deal though, and the NCAA never tried out this rule change again.

I had no idea, but I love that concept. It eliminates the most annoying part of basketball toward the end - intentional fouling so that 2 minutes takes 30 minutes. You're 6 points behind, too bad. Shoulda played better.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 06:39:28 PM
Timeouts and breaks in sports near the end of games- makes games last forever. (Mostly a problem in basketball)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on April 22, 2021, 07:23:20 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 06:39:28 PM
Timeouts and breaks in sports near the end of games- makes games last forever. (Mostly a problem in basketball)
Also in football within 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 22, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
Baseball managers who trudge to the mound at a pace that makes a snail embarrassed, BS with the obviously departing pitcher for two minutes, then only signal for the new pitcher when the home plate umpire arrives to break it up.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on April 22, 2021, 07:30:02 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
Baseball managers who trudge to the mound at a pace that makes a snail embarrassed, BS with the obviously departing pitcher for two minutes, then only signal for the new pitcher when the home plate umpire arrives to break it up.

Has anyone accidentally done this with someone on base?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 07:31:37 PM
Quote from: Big John on April 22, 2021, 07:23:20 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 06:39:28 PM
Timeouts and breaks in sports near the end of games- makes games last forever. (Mostly a problem in basketball)
Also in football within 2 minutes.
Especially when they go to commercials during every timeout.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 22, 2021, 07:33:50 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 22, 2021, 07:30:02 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
Baseball managers who trudge to the mound at a pace that makes a snail embarrassed, BS with the obviously departing pitcher for two minutes, then only signal for the new pitcher when the home plate umpire arrives to break it up.

Has anyone accidentally done this with someone on base?

I'm not sure I follow.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on April 22, 2021, 07:37:31 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:33:50 PM
Quote from: 1 on April 22, 2021, 07:30:02 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
Baseball managers who trudge to the mound at a pace that makes a snail embarrassed, BS with the obviously departing pitcher for two minutes, then only signal for the new pitcher when the home plate umpire arrives to break it up.

Has anyone accidentally done this with someone on base?

I'm not sure I follow.
A time out is called while this happens, so the base runners can't steal bases.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 22, 2021, 09:12:14 PM
Quote from: Alps on April 22, 2021, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: HTM Duke on April 22, 2021, 04:10:56 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 27, 2021, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: Alps on February 27, 2021, 06:24:37 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2021, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: bm7 on February 27, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
I don't watch it much, but what annoys me about college basketball is the intentional fouls at the end of close games. Besides making the last minute of game time take forever, the fact that getting a foul is advantageous is ridiculous. The point of a foul is that it's a punishment for breaking the rules of the game. If that punishment is putting your team in a better position, clearly something should be changed. But nobody seems bothered by this and it's just "part of the game".


All levels of basketball are like this, including Pro and HS as well.

There is something inherently wrong with this.  Football has it to a minor extent that only works occasionally, and there are rules in place to make sure a team can't do this multiple times to their advantage.  Baseball, same thing, especially in terms of a intentional walk.
My take, which another friend one mentioned to me, is that you should get a foul shot and then retain possession. The incentive for fouling goes away if you don't get the ball.
Howabout the team of the fouled player having the choice of taking the ball out of bounds from the sideline spot closest to the spot of the foul or shooting free throws from the choice of either the free throw line or the spot of the foul?

Mike

I apologize for the bump, but the NCAA did actually experiment with this rule in one of the pre-season NIT tournaments years ago.  Once a team was in the double bonus (10+ fouls), they were allowed to either shoot two FT's or to just retain possession and pass the ball back in to resume play.  This was a one-time deal though, and the NCAA never tried out this rule change again.

I had no idea, but I love that concept. It eliminates the most annoying part of basketball toward the end - intentional fouling so that 2 minutes takes 30 minutes. You're 6 points behind, too bad. Shoulda played better.

I do believe that in some European leagues, once you are over the foul limit, the opposing team gets 3 chances to make 2 free throws, in other words, if you miss either of the first two you get a third. Makes fouling when you are behind more punitive.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
Baseball managers who trudge to the mound at a pace that makes a snail embarrassed, BS with the obviously departing pitcher for two minutes, then only signal for the new pitcher when the home plate umpire arrives to break it up.

That's done to give the relief pitcher more time to warm up in the bullpen, especially if they had just gotten started throwing.

Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 06:39:28 PM
Timeouts and breaks in sports near the end of games- makes games last forever. (Mostly a problem in basketball)

Media timeouts are what's bad. I've seen it happen several times: a team calls a TO just prior to a scheduled media break. Say, with 12:04 on the clock. Sometimes you will even hear the announcer say that a coach is hoping to get to the next scheduled TV timeout but has to call one to regroup before it happens. Play resumes, and there's a dead ball with 11:50 on the clock. Boom. Time for the under-12 TV timeout. The rule should be that if there's a timeout called within a certain time (say, a minute or 90 seconds) of the TV timeout mark, there is no TV timeout at the next dead ball.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on April 22, 2021, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 06:39:28 PM
Timeouts and breaks in sports near the end of games- makes games last forever. (Mostly a problem in basketball)

Media timeouts are what's bad. I've seen it happen several times: a team calls a TO just prior to a scheduled media break. Say, with 12:04 on the clock. Sometimes you will even hear the announcer say that a coach is hoping to get to the next scheduled TV timeout but has to call one to regroup before it happens. Play resumes, and there's a dead ball with 11:50 on the clock. Boom. Time for the under-12 TV timeout. The rule should be that if there's a timeout called within a certain time (say, a minute or 90 seconds) of the TV timeout mark, there is no TV timeout at the next dead ball.

In all sports, the broadcaster has sold a certain number of commercial blocks. They have budgeted for an average number of called timeouts in addition to the planned timeouts. It's more noticeable when the called timeouts happen very close to the planned ones, but it really isn't adding any time. Those called timeouts will come at some point.

During a football game, you'll notice that most possession changes have commercial breaks, but sometimes, when multiple possession changes come quickly, there won't be a commercial break. If there have been a very low number of possession changes, you sometimes get the "sandwich" commercials both before and after a kickoff. Called timeouts in the last 2 minutes are short (30 second) timeouts unless they have a commercial block they haven't gotten to yet.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on April 22, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
Baseball managers who trudge to the mound at a pace that makes a snail embarrassed, BS with the obviously departing pitcher for two minutes, then only signal for the new pitcher when the home plate umpire arrives to break it up.

That's done to give the relief pitcher more time to warm up in the bullpen, especially if they had just gotten started throwing.

I'm well aware of the "why"  behind it; it isn't fun to watch regardless.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: HTM Duke on April 22, 2021, 10:58:48 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on April 22, 2021, 06:39:28 PM
Timeouts and breaks in sports near the end of games- makes games last forever. (Mostly a problem in basketball)

Media timeouts are what's bad. I've seen it happen several times: a team calls a TO just prior to a scheduled media break. Say, with 12:04 on the clock. Sometimes you will even hear the announcer say that a coach is hoping to get to the next scheduled TV timeout but has to call one to regroup before it happens. Play resumes, and there's a dead ball with 11:50 on the clock. Boom. Time for the under-12 TV timeout. The rule should be that if there's a timeout called within a certain time (say, a minute or 90 seconds) of the TV timeout mark, there is no TV timeout at the next dead ball.

I believe that the NCAA amended its media timeout rules to do just that.  If a team calls timeout within thirty seconds of the next media timeout, then the called timeout becomes the media timeout.  (If the game is in the second half though, the first called timeout is instead extended into an additional media timeout instead of replacing one.)  A much more insignificant change was also established so that the media timeout can now called at the XX:00 mark exactly, instead of just under it [i.e., XX:59].
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on April 22, 2021, 11:26:04 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 22, 2021, 09:17:45 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
Baseball managers who trudge to the mound at a pace that makes a snail embarrassed, BS with the obviously departing pitcher for two minutes, then only signal for the new pitcher when the home plate umpire arrives to break it up.

That's done to give the relief pitcher more time to warm up in the bullpen, especially if they had just gotten started throwing.

I'm well aware of the "why"  behind it; it isn't fun to watch regardless.
I don't think it happens that often. It takes a pitcher that's really struggling suddenly, because otherwise the other reliever would already be warmed up.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: gonealookin on April 23, 2021, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 12, 2020, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
Here's one thing that doesn't necessarily annoy me, but has piqued my curiosity.

When did putting "Jr." on the back of your uniform become a thing? Seems like it's been the last 5-10 years for college athletes.

Sounds about right.  There is someone on the LA Clippers that has Sr. on his jersey as well.

Just a nice way to honor one's father / son I guess.

I was watching the Baltimore Orioles game tonight.  A pitcher named "Travis Lakins Sr." entered the game.  Lakins Sr. is 26 years old.  I get that he's proud to be a parent, but dubbing oneself "Senior" seems a little pretentious to me at 26.  Let the child develop his own identity and then I'll go along with the Senior/Junior differentiation, but for a while "Travis Lakins" ought to be sufficient for the adult.

That's not purely a sports observation, but sports is the only place I've ever noticed <40 year old men calling themselves "Senior".  Maybe it goes along with the ego trip of being a professional athlete.  At least Lakins doesn't compound it by putting the "SR" on the back of his uniform.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on April 23, 2021, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on April 23, 2021, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 12, 2020, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
Here's one thing that doesn't necessarily annoy me, but has piqued my curiosity.

When did putting "Jr." on the back of your uniform become a thing? Seems like it's been the last 5-10 years for college athletes.

Sounds about right.  There is someone on the LA Clippers that has Sr. on his jersey as well.

Just a nice way to honor one's father / son I guess.

I was watching the Baltimore Orioles game tonight.  A pitcher named "Travis Lakins Sr." entered the game.  Lakins Sr. is 26 years old.  I get that he's proud to be a parent, but dubbing oneself "Senior" seems a little pretentious to me at 26.  Let the child develop his own identity and then I'll go along with the Senior/Junior differentiation, but for a while "Travis Lakins" ought to be sufficient for the adult.

That's not purely a sports observation, but sports is the only place I've ever noticed <40 year old men calling themselves "Senior".  Maybe it goes along with the ego trip of being a professional athlete.  At least Lakins doesn't compound it by putting the "SR" on the back of his uniform.
It started with Robert Griffin III doing it in college, then when he was drafted to the NFL, they changed the rules to allow it. Then other sports followed suit.  Not every team allows it, like you never see a suffix on a Packers jersey.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on April 24, 2021, 01:27:52 AM
Quote from: gonealookin on April 23, 2021, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 12, 2020, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
Here's one thing that doesn't necessarily annoy me, but has piqued my curiosity.

When did putting "Jr." on the back of your uniform become a thing? Seems like it's been the last 5-10 years for college athletes.

Sounds about right.  There is someone on the LA Clippers that has Sr. on his jersey as well.

Just a nice way to honor one's father / son I guess.

I was watching the Baltimore Orioles game tonight.  A pitcher named "Travis Lakins Sr." entered the game.  Lakins Sr. is 26 years old.  I get that he's proud to be a parent, but dubbing oneself "Senior" seems a little pretentious to me at 26.  Let the child develop his own identity and then I'll go along with the Senior/Junior differentiation, but for a while "Travis Lakins" ought to be sufficient for the adult.

That's not purely a sports observation, but sports is the only place I've ever noticed <40 year old men calling themselves "Senior".  Maybe it goes along with the ego trip of being a professional athlete.  At least Lakins doesn't compound it by putting the "SR" on the back of his uniform.
I know a Sr. under 40 who is not in sports.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on April 24, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
A certain seven-time NASCAR champion's given name was Ralph Dale Earnhardt. His dad was named Ralph Earnhardt. When the seven-time champion's son started racing, he did so under the name Dale Earnhardt Jr. Is his name Ralph Dale Earnhardt Jr.? Or did he call himself Dale Jr. to capitalize on his dad's name?

The "Jr." thing has been a NASCAR phenomenon for along time. Even if a driver's dad wasn't in racing, or in the same series, the Jr. suffix has been popular. Look at Martin Truex Jr. Anytime his name is mentioned, it's with the "Jr." I know his dad was involved in racing, but never at the levels his son was/is. No one would confuse the current driver with his dad.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Scott5114 on April 25, 2021, 03:38:46 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 24, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
A certain seven-time NASCAR champion's given name was Ralph Dale Earnhardt. His dad was named Ralph Earnhardt. When the seven-time champion's son started racing, he did so under the name Dale Earnhardt Jr. Is his name Ralph Dale Earnhardt Jr.?

Yes
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on April 25, 2021, 12:18:05 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on April 24, 2021, 11:26:09 PM
A certain seven-time NASCAR champion's given name was Ralph Dale Earnhardt. His dad was named Ralph Earnhardt. When the seven-time champion's son started racing, he did so under the name Dale Earnhardt Jr. Is his name Ralph Dale Earnhardt Jr.? Or did he call himself Dale Jr. to capitalize on his dad's name?


#3 father's full name was Ralph Lee Earnhardt.
#3's full name was Ralph Dale Earnhardt.
Jr.'s full name is indeed Ralph Dale Earnhardt, Jr.
Although he was not #3's first born son, coming from the 2nd of #3's 3 marriages.  His oldest son was Kerry Earnhardt, full name Kerry Dale Earnhardt, although #3 abandoned the kid and had no relationship with him from before he was one until he was 16, and he was legally adopted by his step-father and went by Kerry Key until he began racing.

Theresa Earnhardt, #3's widow, who is the mother of neither, sued Kerry for trademark infringement for selling "Earnhardt Collection" mobile homes.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on April 29, 2021, 05:27:54 PM
Cycling: When an "intermediate" sprint is placed in the last 10 km (6 miles) or so of a stage.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 05, 2021, 09:51:07 AM
They put an NHL team in Las Vegas before Houston.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 14, 2021, 05:45:48 PM
When people suggest if a big moment happened a different way, that the entire game would stay the same after that.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Takumi on May 18, 2021, 11:10:19 PM
Quote from: gonealookin on April 23, 2021, 10:21:16 PM
Quote from: SEWIGuy on September 12, 2020, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 12, 2020, 04:47:17 PM
Here's one thing that doesn't necessarily annoy me, but has piqued my curiosity.

When did putting "Jr." on the back of your uniform become a thing? Seems like it's been the last 5-10 years for college athletes.

Sounds about right.  There is someone on the LA Clippers that has Sr. on his jersey as well.

Just a nice way to honor one's father / son I guess.

I was watching the Baltimore Orioles game tonight.  A pitcher named "Travis Lakins Sr." entered the game.  Lakins Sr. is 26 years old.  I get that he's proud to be a parent, but dubbing oneself "Senior" seems a little pretentious to me at 26.  Let the child develop his own identity and then I'll go along with the Senior/Junior differentiation, but for a while "Travis Lakins" ought to be sufficient for the adult.

That's not purely a sports observation, but sports is the only place I've ever noticed <40 year old men calling themselves "Senior".  Maybe it goes along with the ego trip of being a professional athlete.  At least Lakins doesn't compound it by putting the "SR" on the back of his uniform.

Whenever I see someone calling themselves Senior like that I just want to tell them "congrats on the sex" .
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 18, 2021, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
Baseball managers who trudge to the mound at a pace that makes a snail embarrassed, BS with the obviously departing pitcher for two minutes, then only signal for the new pitcher when the home plate umpire arrives to break it up.

There should just be a time clock much like the play clock.  If everyone is not ready in place by the time the clock hits zero, the next batter draws an intentional walk.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on May 19, 2021, 12:13:44 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 18, 2021, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
Baseball managers who trudge to the mound at a pace that makes a snail embarrassed, BS with the obviously departing pitcher for two minutes, then only signal for the new pitcher when the home plate umpire arrives to break it up.

There should just be a time clock much like the play clock.  If everyone is not ready in place by the time the clock hits zero, the next batter draws an intentional walk.
They do have a clock, but it is not enforced.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 19, 2021, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: Big John on May 19, 2021, 12:13:44 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 18, 2021, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
Baseball managers who trudge to the mound at a pace that makes a snail embarrassed, BS with the obviously departing pitcher for two minutes, then only signal for the new pitcher when the home plate umpire arrives to break it up.

There should just be a time clock much like the play clock.  If everyone is not ready in place by the time the clock hits zero, the next batter draws an intentional walk.
They do have a clock, but it is not enforced.

Baseball is a sport that badly needs clocks. Plus walks to the mound should be limited like timeouts are.  Give them 3 per game.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on May 19, 2021, 08:53:13 AM
People that think baseball needs changes, don't like baseball.  They need to find something else to watch.

Unfortunately, somehow one of these people is now the commissioner.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tchafe1978 on May 19, 2021, 09:07:09 AM
Visits to the mound by the manager or pitching coach are already limited. I believe there is one visit to the mound allowed with each pitcher before a change must be made. And the call to the bullpen has already been made by the time the manager leaves the dugout, but sometimes the manager takes his time to give the reliever more time to warm up. And during last year's pandemic shortened season, they put in new rules saying that a relief pitcher must record at least three outs, unless that pitcher closes out the inning or needs to be removed due to injury. So there shouldn't be any more changing pitchers after every batter. Baseball has a lot of traditions, that no matter how many rule changes are implemented to speed up the game, it's always going to have a certain pace to it. Baseball isn't meant to be a sprint, it's a mararthon.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tchafe1978 on May 19, 2021, 09:10:23 AM
I can remember when being called the "goat" used to mean you're the one that cost your team the game, like Steve Bartman for the Cubs, or Bill Buckner for the Red Sox. But now "GOAT" means Greatest of All Time, all because of Tom Brady. Yup, it's Brady's fault.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kurumi on May 19, 2021, 12:15:08 PM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on May 19, 2021, 09:10:23 AM
I can remember when being called the "goat" used to mean you're the one that cost your team the game, like Steve Bartman for the Cubs, or Bill Buckner for the Red Sox. But now "GOAT" means Greatest of All Time, all because of Tom Brady. Yup, it's Brady's fault.

True, it used to be the Hero vs. the Goat. But now "HERO" means "He Eventually Ruins the Outcome", like Steve Bartman for the Cubs, or Bill Buckner for the Red Sox. Language is a funny thing :-)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on May 19, 2021, 08:53:21 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 19, 2021, 12:49:23 AM
Quote from: Big John on May 19, 2021, 12:13:44 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 18, 2021, 11:19:48 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on April 22, 2021, 07:27:16 PM
Baseball managers who trudge to the mound at a pace that makes a snail embarrassed, BS with the obviously departing pitcher for two minutes, then only signal for the new pitcher when the home plate umpire arrives to break it up.

There should just be a time clock much like the play clock.  If everyone is not ready in place by the time the clock hits zero, the next batter draws an intentional walk.
They do have a clock, but it is not enforced.

Baseball is a sport that badly needs clocks. Plus walks to the mound should be limited like timeouts are.  Give them 3 per game.

They are now limited to 5 mound visits in 9 innings, and that includes catcher visits to the mound, but not for pitcher changes.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on May 19, 2021, 11:09:34 PM
I find all the baseball old-timers to be annoying. Yes, I'm calling out some of you in this thread.

Baseball is declining.

Baseball is a victim of two developments of American sports culture, and American culture in general:

1. Significantly better athletic training has helped most sports, but it has hurt baseball, because there's no such thing as small ball anymore. The most important things are directly related to the quality of muscular training a player has. Fielding doesn't really matter, as long as it's not atrocious. Strategy doesn't really matter, as long as it's not atrocious. Two things matter: pitching and smashing the ball over the fence. A team that can do both those things will squash any team that can't.

2. Speed. Everything is instant. Smartphones, the internet, email, texting, air travel, everything can be done quickly. This has carried over to sports. Basketball and hockey have become more popular because they are fast. Lacrosse has burst onto the scene for young people, though it's still in its infancy in comparison to the major sports. Baseball and football are relatively slow, but there are a few reasons why football has held steady, if not grown, while baseball has declined almost as quickly as Detroit in the 80s.
   a. The NFL, like the NBA and NHL, is simply a better product. You can love baseball all you want, but you can't look at the two sports side by side and say with a straight face that baseball is a better television product. As a result, many people like me who have played little to no organized football have come to follow the league closely, while avid baseball fans are mostly those who played the sport often throughout their early childhood and into high school and beyond.
   b. Similarly, football translates better to television than baseball does. Almost all sports have benefited a lot, lot more than baseball has from the growth of televised sports. Most sports require just one main camera that catches all the action. Baseball needs multiple cameras - one zooming in behind the pitcher, and the other behind the batter. When the ball is hit, the display needs to switch. That makes it choppy to watch on TV. But perhaps the most telling thing about this is that baseball is the sport that offers the most incentive to be watched in person rather than on TV. I will happily go to Brewers games pretty much every season, but I never watch on TV. This is because watching baseball on TV is just not a high quality experience for someone who doesn't love the sport.
   c. The NFL has made changes to the game to keep it exciting, while baseball has not. Modified rules have made passing easier over the last couple decades. Passing is exciting. Case in point: the Chiefs vs the Ravens. Both very good teams, with very good coaches and very good quarterbacks. The difference? The Chiefs throw the ball while the Ravens run the ball. As a result, the Chiefs are usually on national television in the afternoon or evening while the Ravens play on local TV at noon.

And that brings me to the main point: you can say that baseball doesn't need to change, and you are perfectly entitled to that opinion. So have fun watching the sport run itself into the ground over the next few decades. Decreased viewership will lead to less lucrative TV contracts, leading to decreased budgets and decreased salaries. Another thing to consider is that the current generation of young parents (age 35-45ish) was the last generation that largely grew up playing baseball. Because they grew up playing baseball, they get their kids involved with baseball. But today's kids aren't very interested (if you don't believe me then google it). Today's kids will not get their kids involved with baseball. Without a sizable number of young players, there won't be as much $$$ in youth baseball, and when you lose $$$ you lose a lot of things, I don't think I have to explain it because it should be obvious.

Basically, in 30 years there will not be enough talent to support MLB as a "major" American sports league. In 2051 MLB will not be a top 10 sports league in popularity in the US.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on May 19, 2021, 11:25:52 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 19, 2021, 11:09:34 PM
Basically, in 30 years there will not be enough talent to support MLB as a "major" American sports league. In 2051 MLB will not be a top 10 sports league in popularity in the US.
I will bet you $10,000 that that does not happen. Come at me in 2051.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 19, 2021, 11:53:10 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 19, 2021, 11:09:34 PM
I find all the baseball old-timers to be annoying. Yes, I'm calling out some of you in this thread.

Baseball is declining.

Baseball is a victim of two developments of American sports culture, and American culture in general:

1. Significantly better athletic training has helped most sports, but it has hurt baseball, because there's no such thing as small ball anymore. The most important things are directly related to the quality of muscular training a player has. Fielding doesn't really matter, as long as it's not atrocious. Strategy doesn't really matter, as long as it's not atrocious. Two things matter: pitching and smashing the ball over the fence. A team that can do both those things will squash any team that can't.

2. Speed. Everything is instant. Smartphones, the internet, email, texting, air travel, everything can be done quickly. This has carried over to sports. Basketball and hockey have become more popular because they are fast. Lacrosse has burst onto the scene for young people, though it's still in its infancy in comparison to the major sports. Baseball and football are relatively slow, but there are a few reasons why football has held steady, if not grown, while baseball has declined almost as quickly as Detroit in the 80s.
   a. The NFL, like the NBA and NHL, is simply a better product. You can love baseball all you want, but you can't look at the two sports side by side and say with a straight face that baseball is a better television product. As a result, many people like me who have played little to no organized football have come to follow the league closely, while avid baseball fans are mostly those who played the sport often throughout their early childhood and into high school and beyond.
   b. Similarly, football translates better to television than baseball does. Almost all sports have benefited a lot, lot more than baseball has from the growth of televised sports. Most sports require just one main camera that catches all the action. Baseball needs multiple cameras - one zooming in behind the pitcher, and the other behind the batter. When the ball is hit, the display needs to switch. That makes it choppy to watch on TV. But perhaps the most telling thing about this is that baseball is the sport that offers the most incentive to be watched in person rather than on TV. I will happily go to Brewers games pretty much every season, but I never watch on TV. This is because watching baseball on TV is just not a high quality experience for someone who doesn't love the sport.
   c. The NFL has made changes to the game to keep it exciting, while baseball has not. Modified rules have made passing easier over the last couple decades. Passing is exciting. Case in point: the Chiefs vs the Ravens. Both very good teams, with very good coaches and very good quarterbacks. The difference? The Chiefs throw the ball while the Ravens run the ball. As a result, the Chiefs are usually on national television in the afternoon or evening while the Ravens play on local TV at noon.

And that brings me to the main point: you can say that baseball doesn't need to change, and you are perfectly entitled to that opinion. So have fun watching the sport run itself into the ground over the next few decades. Decreased viewership will lead to less lucrative TV contracts, leading to decreased budgets and decreased salaries. Another thing to consider is that the current generation of young parents (age 35-45ish) was the last generation that largely grew up playing baseball. Because they grew up playing baseball, they get their kids involved with baseball. But today's kids aren't very interested (if you don't believe me then google it). Today's kids will not get their kids involved with baseball. Without a sizable number of young players, there won't be as much $$$ in youth baseball, and when you lose $$$ you lose a lot of things, I don't think I have to explain it because it should be obvious.

Basically, in 30 years there will not be enough talent to support MLB as a "major" American sports league. In 2051 MLB will not be a top 10 sports league in popularity in the US.
I still know plenty of kids that play baseball.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: mgk920 on May 20, 2021, 02:21:27 AM
Also, the rise of Fútbol in the youth levels in the USA over the past few decades - it is the ideal kids' sport.  They are running constantly, blowing off LOTS and LOTS of innate energy, the rules are ridiculously simple - the official FIFA rulebook is something like a 16 page pamphlet, complete with diagrams and decisions, allowing the players tremendous latitude in developing their own talents and styles (contrast that with the Laws of Baseball and the NFL rulebook), and EVERYBODY on the field/pitch has oodles of opportunities to meaningfully handle the ball.

As time passes, more and more of them will develop a lifelong love of the game, more and more local club federations will emerge and the level of play and overall public interest in the sport will greatly improve.

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 20, 2021, 02:26:06 AM
and RUGBY!
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: mgk920 on May 20, 2021, 02:40:15 AM
A few days ago I drove past a local apartment complex here in the Appleton, WI area that is known for having a fairly high concentration of Asian Indians among its residents and noticed a pickup cricket game going on in its courtyard area.  When I drove by it again going the other way a few minutes later, it almost looked to me like it was in reality a coached team practice.

Thinking about it further, with the number of immigrants that the USA has from cricket-obsessed parts of the world such as India, Pakistan, various Caribbean islands, South Africa and perhaps even Australia, the fact that the USA does not currently field a highly competitive national cricket 'test' team is a bit of a head scratcher (yes, I am aware of the previously popular sport dying out in North America in the middle to later part of the 19th century due to a refusal by the people in charge of the sport here to embrace professionalism while the rest of the cricket-playing world was all in on it).

Mike
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 25, 2021, 11:40:56 AM
Forgive me if we covered this before but people who say "we" for the local team they didn't play for.  :P
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 25, 2021, 12:08:14 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 25, 2021, 11:40:56 AM
Forgive me if we covered this before but people who say "we" for the local team they didn't play for.  :P

Similarly, people who get on a high horse about this when someone says "we" as a fan. ;)

However, "we" fans should be consistent - I remember a comedy bit once joking that a lot of fans will talk gushingly about how "we" won the game, but then bitch about how "they" lost the game the next time out.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 25, 2021, 01:59:51 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 25, 2021, 12:08:14 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 25, 2021, 11:40:56 AM
Forgive me if we covered this before but people who say "we" for the local team they didn't play for.  :P

Similarly, people who get on a high horse about this when someone says "we" as a fan. ;)

However, "we" fans should be consistent - I remember a comedy bit once joking that a lot of fans will talk gushingly about how "we" won the game, but then bitch about how "they" lost the game the next time out.

I am a Cowboys fan but since they don't win I also like the Bucs.  What if I watch a game between two other teams and side with one?  Where does "we" end?  I went to the University of Minnesota but never played on the team and don't ever feel comfortable saying "we" for the Gophers.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on May 25, 2021, 05:11:58 PM
When they play "Everybody clap your hands" at sports stadiums.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 25, 2021, 05:29:28 PM
Quote from: Big John on May 25, 2021, 05:11:58 PM
When they play "Everybody clap your hands" at sports stadiums.

I do that stupid dance at UT softball games just to get on camera
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 25, 2021, 05:38:02 PM
Quote from: Big John on May 25, 2021, 05:11:58 PM
When they play "Everybody clap your hands" at sports stadiums.

That's as bad as the kiss cams.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SectorZ on May 25, 2021, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: Big John on May 25, 2021, 05:11:58 PM
When they play "Everybody clap your hands" at sports stadiums.

Or when every baseball stadium does the "Clap, clap, clap clap clap, clap clap clap, let's go!"

In every stadium but Fenway that is, which is ironic given it's a song by the Cars, a Boston-based band. One of the nice things about Fenway, it's the opposite of Tropicana Field or Dodgers Stadium in terms of nuisance noise.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 25, 2021, 05:42:30 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 25, 2021, 05:38:02 PM
Quote from: Big John on May 25, 2021, 05:11:58 PM
When they play "Everybody clap your hands" at sports stadiums.

That's as bad as the kiss cams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9-ueJhTLa0
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 25, 2021, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 25, 2021, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: Big John on May 25, 2021, 05:11:58 PM
When they play "Everybody clap your hands" at sports stadiums.

Or when every baseball stadium does the "Clap, clap, clap clap clap, clap clap clap, let's go!"

In every stadium but Fenway that is, which is ironic given it's a song by the Cars, a Boston-based band. One of the nice things about Fenway, it's the opposite of Tropicana Field or Dodgers Stadium in terms of nuisance noise.

"The Wave" is pretty awful too.

Oh! And if it hasn't been mentioned already? D-FENCE!!
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 25, 2021, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 25, 2021, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 25, 2021, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: Big John on May 25, 2021, 05:11:58 PM
When they play "Everybody clap your hands" at sports stadiums.

Or when every baseball stadium does the "Clap, clap, clap clap clap, clap clap clap, let's go!"

In every stadium but Fenway that is, which is ironic given it's a song by the Cars, a Boston-based band. One of the nice things about Fenway, it's the opposite of Tropicana Field or Dodgers Stadium in terms of nuisance noise.

"The Wave" is pretty awful too.

Oh! And if it hasn't been mentioned already? D-FENCE!!

funny at first, wore out its welcome quickly, like Chris Berman's names or people walking slow in movies.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: OCGuy81 on May 25, 2021, 06:00:31 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 25, 2021, 05:52:41 PM
Quote from: OCGuy81 on May 25, 2021, 05:51:23 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on May 25, 2021, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: Big John on May 25, 2021, 05:11:58 PM
When they play "Everybody clap your hands" at sports stadiums.

Or when every baseball stadium does the "Clap, clap, clap clap clap, clap clap clap, let's go!"

In every stadium but Fenway that is, which is ironic given it's a song by the Cars, a Boston-based band. One of the nice things about Fenway, it's the opposite of Tropicana Field or Dodgers Stadium in terms of nuisance noise.

"The Wave" is pretty awful too.

Oh! And if it hasn't been mentioned already? D-FENCE!!

funny at first, wore out its welcome quickly, like Chris Berman's names or people walking slow in movies.

People walking slow in movies.  Yeah! That's a good one!

This could probably be a separate thread, all about movie cliches that you can't stand.  I'd certainly add "people in movies slowly walking away from an explosion, seemingly unphased by it".
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on May 25, 2021, 06:02:51 PM
If you're annoyed with boring and sterile chants that are led by the stadium's PA system, then soccer is a good option.

It takes a dedicated supporters group to have creative chants:



Or to design and paint giant banners (tifo) to honor their players

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on May 25, 2021, 09:33:54 PM
Thought of another one today - Americans who root for Canadian hockey teams to do well because they Canadian and they're "original". Have some pride. I always root for American teams to beat Canadian teams. Their national team always beats ours anyways.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 25, 2021, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 25, 2021, 09:33:54 PM
Thought of another one today - Americans who root for Canadian hockey teams to do well because they Canadian and they're "original". Have some pride. I always root for American teams to beat Canadian teams. Their national team always beats ours anyways.
What if you live in North Dakota? Or Northern Vermont?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on May 25, 2021, 10:07:09 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 25, 2021, 09:59:29 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 25, 2021, 09:33:54 PM
Thought of another one today - Americans who root for Canadian hockey teams to do well because they Canadian and they're "original". Have some pride. I always root for American teams to beat Canadian teams. Their national team always beats ours anyways.
What if you live in North Dakota? Or Northern Vermont?

At least in my experience, US vs. Canada rivalries (both in sports and outside of sports) are stronger closer to the border. I'm sure there are some legitimate fans of Canadian teams in the US near the border, but probably not as many as you'd think. North Dakota in particular is probably Minnesota Wild territory.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 25, 2021, 10:12:39 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 25, 2021, 10:07:09 PM
North Dakota in particular is probably Minnesota Wild territory.

Not as much as it is Univ. of North Dakota territory. They have the pull of a pro team up there, much like Alabama and Auburn football.

Quote from: thspfc on May 25, 2021, 09:33:54 PM
Thought of another one today - Americans who root for Canadian hockey teams to do well because they Canadian and they're "original". Have some pride. I always root for American teams to beat Canadian teams. Their national team always beats ours anyways.

It makes no sense to root one way or the other in the NHL, because most players on American teams are Canadians anyway.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on May 25, 2021, 10:16:57 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 25, 2021, 10:12:39 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 25, 2021, 10:07:09 PM
North Dakota in particular is probably Minnesota Wild territory.

Not as much as it is Univ. of North Dakota territory. They have the pull of a pro team up there, much like Alabama and Auburn football.

Very fair (shows how much I know about hockey), but I was thinking more as opposed to the Canadian team, which would be the Jets in this case.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 25, 2021, 10:53:04 PM
I'm a Bruins fan but I don't really root for American or Canadian teams outside of that, I just pull for who I like. I was rooting for the Raptors during the 2019 NBA finals.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on May 26, 2021, 01:58:45 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 25, 2021, 01:59:51 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 25, 2021, 12:08:14 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 25, 2021, 11:40:56 AM
Forgive me if we covered this before but people who say "we" for the local team they didn't play for.  :P

Similarly, people who get on a high horse about this when someone says "we" as a fan. ;)

However, "we" fans should be consistent - I remember a comedy bit once joking that a lot of fans will talk gushingly about how "we" won the game, but then bitch about how "they" lost the game the next time out.

I am a Cowboys fan but since they don't win I also like the Bucs.  What if I watch a game between two other teams and side with one?  Where does "we" end?  I went to the University of Minnesota but never played on the team and don't ever feel comfortable saying "we" for the Gophers.

I don't think this is an issue - I have never referred to any team in a game where both teams were teams I was neutral/felt hatred toward as "we".
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on May 26, 2021, 09:16:41 AM
All pro hockey teams are a mix of Canadian, American, Russian, and eastern European players.

One of the stupidest articles I ever read was some guy saying Canada really needed Vancouver to make the finals, because more Canadians would watch.  So, some guy in New Brunswick feels more affinity for a team of Canadians, Americans, Russians, and eastern Europeans, based 3500 miles away in British Columbia than for a team of Canadians, Americans, Russians, and eastern Europeans, based 500 miles away in Massachusetts? 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 26, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 26, 2021, 09:16:41 AM
All pro hockey teams are a mix of Canadian, American, Russian, and eastern European players.

One of the stupidest articles I ever read was some guy saying Canada really needed Vancouver to make the finals, because more Canadians would watch.  So, some guy in New Brunswick feels more affinity for a team of Canadians, Americans, Russians, and eastern Europeans, based 3500 miles away in British Columbia than for a team of Canadians, Americans, Russians, and eastern Europeans, based 500 miles away in Massachusetts? 

Yes, much in the same way that most fans of any other sport have affinities for teams based on where the team is located and not where the players are from. The NHL is unique in having a sizable number of teams in two countries, and there is most certainly national pride involved, especially given the recent lack of Canadian teams reaching the finals.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on May 26, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 26, 2021, 09:16:41 AM
All pro hockey teams are a mix of Canadian, American, Russian, and eastern European players.

One of the stupidest articles I ever read was some guy saying Canada really needed Vancouver to make the finals, because more Canadians would watch.  So, some guy in New Brunswick feels more affinity for a team of Canadians, Americans, Russians, and eastern Europeans, based 3500 miles away in British Columbia than for a team of Canadians, Americans, Russians, and eastern Europeans, based 500 miles away in Massachusetts? 

Yes, much in the same way that most fans of any other sport have affinities for teams based on where the team is located and not where the players are from. The NHL is unique in having a sizable number of teams in two countries, and there is most certainly national pride involved, especially given the recent lack of Canadian teams reaching the finals.

I think what SP Cook was saying is that Boston is closer to the majority of Canada's population than Vancouver. (New Brunswick isn't that populated, but Quebec and Ontario are.)

Not that that really matters; in any sport, your rival is often the second closest team to you.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on May 26, 2021, 09:57:52 AM
Quote from: 1 on May 26, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 26, 2021, 09:16:41 AM
All pro hockey teams are a mix of Canadian, American, Russian, and eastern European players.

One of the stupidest articles I ever read was some guy saying Canada really needed Vancouver to make the finals, because more Canadians would watch.  So, some guy in New Brunswick feels more affinity for a team of Canadians, Americans, Russians, and eastern Europeans, based 3500 miles away in British Columbia than for a team of Canadians, Americans, Russians, and eastern Europeans, based 500 miles away in Massachusetts? 

Yes, much in the same way that most fans of any other sport have affinities for teams based on where the team is located and not where the players are from. The NHL is unique in having a sizable number of teams in two countries, and there is most certainly national pride involved, especially given the recent lack of Canadian teams reaching the finals.

I think what SP Cook was saying is that Boston is closer to the majority of Canada's population than Vancouver. (New Brunswick isn't that populated, but Quebec and Ontario are.)

Not that that really matters; in any sport, your rival is often the second closest team to you.

I understand what he's saying, but national pride beats out proximity. There has been a long drought for Canadian teams and one in the finals would be a huge deal.

If you read through this poster's posts in various threads, there seems to be a lot of mention of "where people are from"
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on May 26, 2021, 11:56:04 AM
Using the New Brunswick example, if you asked 100 New Brunswick hockey fans if they would rather have Vancouver or Boston win the cup, I bet 90 of them would say Vancouver, mostly because they're probably fans of Montreal or Toronto, and therefore don't like Boston.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 26, 2021, 01:04:27 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2021, 09:57:52 AM
Quote from: 1 on May 26, 2021, 09:49:52 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 26, 2021, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on May 26, 2021, 09:16:41 AM
All pro hockey teams are a mix of Canadian, American, Russian, and eastern European players.

One of the stupidest articles I ever read was some guy saying Canada really needed Vancouver to make the finals, because more Canadians would watch.  So, some guy in New Brunswick feels more affinity for a team of Canadians, Americans, Russians, and eastern Europeans, based 3500 miles away in British Columbia than for a team of Canadians, Americans, Russians, and eastern Europeans, based 500 miles away in Massachusetts? 

Yes, much in the same way that most fans of any other sport have affinities for teams based on where the team is located and not where the players are from. The NHL is unique in having a sizable number of teams in two countries, and there is most certainly national pride involved, especially given the recent lack of Canadian teams reaching the finals.

I think what SP Cook was saying is that Boston is closer to the majority of Canada's population than Vancouver. (New Brunswick isn't that populated, but Quebec and Ontario are.)

Not that that really matters; in any sport, your rival is often the second closest team to you.

I understand what he's saying, but national pride beats out proximity. There has been a long drought for Canadian teams and one in the finals would be a huge deal.

If you read through this poster's posts in various threads, there seems to be a lot of mention of "where people are from"
A lot of people also root for hometown players, like Nova Scotians rooting for the Penguins because of Crosby.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on May 26, 2021, 09:12:27 PM
you can at least contribute something, instead of reposting what somebody else just said.  :spin:
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on May 26, 2021, 09:12:58 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on May 26, 2021, 09:12:27 PM
you can at least contribute something, instead of reposting what somebody else just said.  :spin:
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on May 26, 2021, 09:16:54 PM
It was a nested quote malfunction, not just a repost. The sentence about the Penguins is his.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on May 26, 2021, 09:24:04 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 26, 2021, 09:16:54 PM
It was a nested quote malfunction, not just a repost. The sentence about the Penguins is his.
How did that happen?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 26, 2021, 09:25:39 PM
Quote from: thspfc on May 26, 2021, 09:24:04 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 26, 2021, 09:16:54 PM
It was a nested quote malfunction, not just a repost. The sentence about the Penguins is his.
How did that happen?
I wrote my quote in the wrong place.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Scott5114 on July 25, 2021, 10:10:39 PM
When people refer to the Big 10 Conference as "B1G". It's not, it's the Big 10. "B1G" is how their logo is designed, because it's in a block font so the "G" kind of looks like a "0". In most fonts, the G doesn't look like a 0, most people don't change the colors to highlight the "10" like in the logo so it looks like you're a leetspeaking teenager who's really excited about saying "big", and nobody (hopefully) says "bee-one-gee" (shitty A1A alternate route?), so why not actually call it what it's called?

If you're going to call things by what their logo looks like it's saying, you need to start writing "Disnep" for consistency.

I don't actually care about college football conferences but that's the only thing anyone around here wants to talk about.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CtrlAltDel on July 25, 2021, 10:25:24 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 25, 2021, 10:10:39 PM
If you're going to call things by what their logo looks like it's saying, you need to start writing "Disnep" for consistency.

I don't think it's the "y" that's weird in the Disney wordmark, but rather that horrific "D," which throughout my childhood I perceived as a backwards "G":

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a4/Disney_wordmark.svg)

I object mostly because that is how I make my "y"s, a deliberate change I made in high school since I often confused my "x"s and "y"s in math, especially when writing fast.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kurumi on July 25, 2021, 10:28:11 PM
Michigan goodbyes, where you were just about to walk out the door (and as a kid, the parents told you "put the toys and games away, we're going right now!") and someone brings up an entirely new topic of conversation that didn't occur to them during the hours previous.

Also, people who can't tell Michigan and Minnesota apart :-)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tchafe1978 on July 26, 2021, 09:44:45 AM
Quote from: kurumi on July 25, 2021, 10:28:11 PM
Michigan goodbyes, where you were just about to walk out the door (and as a kid, the parents told you "put the toys and games away, we're going right now!") and someone brings up an entirely new topic of conversation that didn't occur to them during the hours previous.

Also, people who can't tell Michigan and Minnesota apart :-)

That's not just a Michigan thing, it's a Midwest thing. We do that here in Wisconsin too. Sometimes the goodbye is longer than the actual visit!
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kurumi on July 26, 2021, 01:46:18 PM
... and people posting to the wrong "minor things" thread, like me. Sorry.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on July 26, 2021, 01:53:55 PM
Quote from: kurumi on July 25, 2021, 10:28:11 PM
Michigan goodbyes, where you were just about to walk out the door (and as a kid, the parents told you "put the toys and games away, we're going right now!") and someone brings up an entirely new topic of conversation that didn't occur to them during the hours previous.

I thought that was universal everywhere.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: gonealookin on December 20, 2021, 11:29:49 PM
Professional announcers should not refer to "the referees" in a football game.  There is only one "referee"; the rest are "officials" (or "the umpire", "the back judge", etc.).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ran4sh on December 20, 2021, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 25, 2021, 10:10:39 PM
When people refer to the Big 10 Conference as "B1G". It's not, it's the Big 10. "B1G" is how their logo is designed, because it's in a block font so the "G" kind of looks like a "0". In most fonts, the G doesn't look like a 0, most people don't change the colors to highlight the "10" like in the logo so it looks like you're a leetspeaking teenager who's really excited about saying "big", and nobody (hopefully) says "bee-one-gee" (shitty A1A alternate route?), so why not actually call it what it's called?

If you're going to call things by what their logo looks like it's saying, you need to start writing "Disnep" for consistency.

I don't actually care about college football conferences but that's the only thing anyone around here wants to talk about.

It's not the Big 10 either, it's the Big Ten.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on December 21, 2021, 12:04:12 AM
Lining up solely to draw the other team offsides.  Worse yet when they are stupid enough to fall for it.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on December 21, 2021, 12:05:14 AM
Quote from: tchafe1978 on July 26, 2021, 09:44:45 AM
Quote from: kurumi on July 25, 2021, 10:28:11 PM
Michigan goodbyes, where you were just about to walk out the door (and as a kid, the parents told you "put the toys and games away, we're going right now!") and someone brings up an entirely new topic of conversation that didn't occur to them during the hours previous.

Also, people who can't tell Michigan and Minnesota apart :-)

That's not just a Michigan thing, it's a Midwest thing. We do that here in Wisconsin too. Sometimes the goodbye is longer than the actual visit!

Tired of people thinking I'm from Michigan!  It's not that hard.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:26:47 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on December 20, 2021, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 25, 2021, 10:10:39 PM
When people refer to the Big 10 Conference as "B1G". It's not, it's the Big 10. "B1G" is how their logo is designed, because it's in a block font so the "G" kind of looks like a "0". In most fonts, the G doesn't look like a 0, most people don't change the colors to highlight the "10" like in the logo so it looks like you're a leetspeaking teenager who's really excited about saying "big", and nobody (hopefully) says "bee-one-gee" (shitty A1A alternate route?), so why not actually call it what it's called?

If you're going to call things by what their logo looks like it's saying, you need to start writing "Disnep" for consistency.

I don't actually care about college football conferences but that's the only thing anyone around here wants to talk about.

It's not the Big 10 either, it's the Big Ten.
no it's the B1G
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on December 21, 2021, 05:08:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 25, 2021, 10:10:39 PM
When people refer to the Big 10 Conference as "B1G". It's not, it's the Big 10. "B1G" is how their logo is designed, because it's in a block font so the "G" kind of looks like a "0". In most fonts, the G doesn't look like a 0, most people don't change the colors to highlight the "10" like in the logo so it looks like you're a leetspeaking teenager who's really excited about saying "big", and nobody (hopefully) says "bee-one-gee" (shitty A1A alternate route?), so why not actually call it what it's called?

If you're going to call things by what their logo looks like it's saying, you need to start writing "Disnep" for consistency.

I don't actually care about college football conferences but that's the only thing anyone around here wants to talk about.
Mr. No Nicknames
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on December 21, 2021, 05:18:13 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 21, 2021, 03:26:47 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on December 20, 2021, 11:47:08 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on July 25, 2021, 10:10:39 PM
When people refer to the Big 10 Conference as "B1G". It's not, it's the Big 10. "B1G" is how their logo is designed, because it's in a block font so the "G" kind of looks like a "0". In most fonts, the G doesn't look like a 0, most people don't change the colors to highlight the "10" like in the logo so it looks like you're a leetspeaking teenager who's really excited about saying "big", and nobody (hopefully) says "bee-one-gee" (shitty A1A alternate route?), so why not actually call it what it's called?

If you're going to call things by what their logo looks like it's saying, you need to start writing "Disnep" for consistency.

I don't actually care about college football conferences but that's the only thing anyone around here wants to talk about.

It's not the Big 10 either, it's the Big Ten.
no it's the B1G

TH3 N070R1U5 B1G
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: triplemultiplex on December 22, 2021, 10:29:16 AM
Losing a fantasy football championship by less than one point.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 03, 2022, 10:19:07 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 08, 2021, 07:32:11 AM
Quote from: epzik8 on March 08, 2021, 07:18:30 AM
I don't care about the expansion of the NFL playoffs to 14 teams, but did they have to add a week in the regular season. Now nobody can finish .500.

8-8-1

Rooting hard for the Steelers to split their last two games
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Billy F 1988 on January 05, 2022, 06:06:47 PM
RJ Bell saying "let's be candid" multiple times during Straight Outta Vegas on FOX Sports Radio! MMMMMM! So annoying. Like, yeah! You can be candid WITHOUT SAYING "let's be candid" every dadgum day.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on January 05, 2022, 07:00:11 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 22, 2021, 10:29:16 AM
Losing a fantasy football championship by less than one point.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Is that a Season Points League Championship, or losing the League Playoffs Title Game by less than one point?

Both suck, but if it is the former, I'd seriously consider a Split Pot if I were the league's money-man/commissioner
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 05, 2022, 07:47:02 PM
Showing the percentage chance of a team's win while the game is ongoing. For those of us who don't gamble, this just takes away some of the fun of watching a potential upset.

Maybe it's just me, but it's an annoying trend.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on January 05, 2022, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 05, 2022, 07:47:02 PM
Showing the percentage chance of a team's win while the game is ongoing. For those of us who don't gamble, this just takes away some of the fun of watching a potential upset.

Maybe it's just me, but it's an annoying trend.
I think it's hilarious when a team is a 99+% chance to win, and they choke it down hard (talking about you, ATL Falcons in the Superbowl). Literally, they likely could have knee'd 3x and punted each of their possessions in the 4th qtr and probably would have won, or at a minimum simply had Matty Ice hand the ball off each down.

It just emphasizes when a team self-destructs, and how badly. Just using #s to make a point that had been made by PxP/Analyst duos since even before Summeral & Madden
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 05, 2022, 10:27:18 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 05, 2022, 07:47:02 PM
Showing the percentage chance of a team's win while the game is ongoing. For those of us who don't gamble, this just takes away some of the fun of watching a potential upset.

Maybe it's just me, but it's an annoying trend.

As far as I know, win probabilities aren't shown on game broadcasts, so as long as you can avoid that info by not visiting the places it exists.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 05, 2022, 10:30:31 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 05, 2022, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 05, 2022, 07:47:02 PM
Showing the percentage chance of a team's win while the game is ongoing. For those of us who don't gamble, this just takes away some of the fun of watching a potential upset.

Maybe it's just me, but it's an annoying trend.
I think it's hilarious when a team is a 99+% chance to win, and they choke it down hard (talking about you, ATL Falcons in the Superbowl). Literally, they likely could have knee'd 3x and punted each of their possessions in the 4th qtr and probably would have won, or at a minimum simply had Matty Ice hand the ball off each down.

It just emphasizes when a team self-destructs, and how badly. Just using #s to make a point that had been made by PxP/Analyst duos since even before Summeral & Madden

An NFL season consists of 272 games (up from 256 previously), so on average, there should be 2-3 games per year where a team with a 99% win probability loses.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on January 06, 2022, 12:13:56 AM
Commentators who have nothing better to say then talk about which was someone is looking.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on January 06, 2022, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 05, 2022, 10:30:31 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 05, 2022, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 05, 2022, 07:47:02 PM
Showing the percentage chance of a team's win while the game is ongoing. For those of us who don't gamble, this just takes away some of the fun of watching a potential upset.

Maybe it's just me, but it's an annoying trend.
I think it's hilarious when a team is a 99+% chance to win, and they choke it down hard (talking about you, ATL Falcons in the Superbowl). Literally, they likely could have knee'd 3x and punted each of their possessions in the 4th qtr and probably would have won, or at a minimum simply had Matty Ice hand the ball off each down.

It just emphasizes when a team self-destructs, and how badly. Just using #s to make a point that had been made by PxP/Analyst duos since even before Summeral & Madden

An NFL season consists of 272 games (up from 256 previously), so on average, there should be 2-3 games per year where a team with a 99% win probability loses.
That only works if all 272 games are 99% win probability.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on January 07, 2022, 06:48:51 AM
Quote from: Alps on January 06, 2022, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 05, 2022, 10:30:31 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 05, 2022, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 05, 2022, 07:47:02 PM
Showing the percentage chance of a team's win while the game is ongoing. For those of us who don't gamble, this just takes away some of the fun of watching a potential upset.

Maybe it's just me, but it's an annoying trend.
I think it's hilarious when a team is a 99+% chance to win, and they choke it down hard (talking about you, ATL Falcons in the Superbowl). Literally, they likely could have knee'd 3x and punted each of their possessions in the 4th qtr and probably would have won, or at a minimum simply had Matty Ice hand the ball off each down.

It just emphasizes when a team self-destructs, and how badly. Just using #s to make a point that had been made by PxP/Analyst duos since even before Summeral & Madden

An NFL season consists of 272 games (up from 256 previously), so on average, there should be 2-3 games per year where a team with a 99% win probability loses.
That only works if all 272 games are 99% win probability.

Every game hits 99% at some point.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on January 07, 2022, 08:59:21 AM
Regarding sports betting: the idea of "+150", "-170", etc. What happens to the two-digit numbers? Why not use +50 instead of -200?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SectorZ on January 07, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 07, 2022, 06:48:51 AM
Quote from: Alps on January 06, 2022, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 05, 2022, 10:30:31 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 05, 2022, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 05, 2022, 07:47:02 PM
Showing the percentage chance of a team's win while the game is ongoing. For those of us who don't gamble, this just takes away some of the fun of watching a potential upset.

Maybe it's just me, but it's an annoying trend.
I think it's hilarious when a team is a 99+% chance to win, and they choke it down hard (talking about you, ATL Falcons in the Superbowl). Literally, they likely could have knee'd 3x and punted each of their possessions in the 4th qtr and probably would have won, or at a minimum simply had Matty Ice hand the ball off each down.

It just emphasizes when a team self-destructs, and how badly. Just using #s to make a point that had been made by PxP/Analyst duos since even before Summeral & Madden

An NFL season consists of 272 games (up from 256 previously), so on average, there should be 2-3 games per year where a team with a 99% win probability loses.
That only works if all 272 games are 99% win probability.

Every game hits 99% at some point.

Not necessarily. A walk off field goal/TD, or overtime end, will not necessarily be at 99% one way or the other.

For example, KC had a 71.3% chance of winning this game at their opponents 34 yard line in overtime. One Travis Kelce TD reception later, game over, https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401326537
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on January 07, 2022, 09:19:15 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on January 07, 2022, 09:00:54 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 07, 2022, 06:48:51 AM
Every game hits 99% at some point.

Not necessarily. A walk off field goal/TD, or overtime end, will not necessarily be at 99% one way or the other.

For example, KC had a 71.3% chance of winning this game at their opponents 34 yard line in overtime. One Travis Kelce TD reception later, game over, https://www.espn.com/nfl/game/_/gameId/401326537

Funny, I thought the same thing about the Bills/Bucs overtime game. It ended on a 58 yard catch and run for the Bucs. Their win probability was definitely below 99% before that play, and obviously 100% afterwards.

So while it's technically true that their win probability hit 99% before hitting 100%, it would have been during that play, so for all practical purposes, they were never in an in-game situation with the clock stopped in which they had 99% win probability.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 07, 2022, 10:54:49 AM
Quote from: Alps on January 06, 2022, 11:37:42 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 05, 2022, 10:30:31 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 05, 2022, 09:20:46 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 05, 2022, 07:47:02 PM
Showing the percentage chance of a team's win while the game is ongoing. For those of us who don't gamble, this just takes away some of the fun of watching a potential upset.

Maybe it's just me, but it's an annoying trend.
I think it's hilarious when a team is a 99+% chance to win, and they choke it down hard (talking about you, ATL Falcons in the Superbowl). Literally, they likely could have knee'd 3x and punted each of their possessions in the 4th qtr and probably would have won, or at a minimum simply had Matty Ice hand the ball off each down.

It just emphasizes when a team self-destructs, and how badly. Just using #s to make a point that had been made by PxP/Analyst duos since even before Summeral & Madden

An NFL season consists of 272 games (up from 256 previously), so on average, there should be 2-3 games per year where a team with a 99% win probability loses.
That only works if all 272 games are 99% win probability.

As noted, there are exceptions but most games hit 99%, so you should still expect this to happen at least once a season.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on January 07, 2022, 11:04:16 AM
Also, it should be pointed out that 99.0% is a lot different than 99.99%.

99.0% is a 1-in-100 chance of losing, so you'd expect that to happen about once or twice a year.

99.99% is a 1-in-10,000 chance of losing, so you'd expect that to happen only once every 40-50 years.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: triplemultiplex on January 07, 2022, 06:41:51 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on January 05, 2022, 07:00:11 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on December 22, 2021, 10:29:16 AM
Losing a fantasy football championship by less than one point.
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Is that a Season Points League Championship, or losing the League Playoffs Title Game by less than one point?

Both suck, but if it is the former, I'd seriously consider a Split Pot if I were the league's money-man/commissioner

Title Game.
It was even worse than losing by one point.  I was up by 30 going into the rescheduled Tuesday game, but guess who had Cooper fucking Kupp that night?
The other guy ended with 0.06 points more than me.   X-(
Cost me 150 bucks falling to second with that goddamn six one-hundredths of a point.  Not a major pot for some leagues, but I don't care if it means missing out on two bucks; losing by that little is the biggest suckfest in fantasy sports.
I didn't get nothing, but c'mon man!  What are the freakin' odds?  One extra yard from anyone and I win.  FML.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Scott5114 on January 08, 2022, 02:38:43 AM
Quote from: 1 on January 07, 2022, 08:59:21 AM
Regarding sports betting: the idea of "+150", "-170", etc. What happens to the two-digit numbers? Why not use +50 instead of -200?

Sports betting odds are a little weird, and I'm not entirely certain how they work (we don't have sports books in Oklahoma yet, just horse racing), but they are all quoted relative to $100 figures. Positive numbers indicate you're betting an underdog, so if you make a $100 bet with odds of +150, you would theoretically get paid out $250 ($100 wager + $150 win). Negative numbers indicate you're betting a favorite, and show how much you have to bet to win $100, so -170 means you have to wager $170 to win $100 (getting paid out $270 altogether).

Thus, +50 isn't used because if you bet $100 and only win $50, you're not betting an underdog, you're betting a favorite, and thus expressing it as a negative number makes more sense. I think the idea is to one negative number and one positive number on each game, so that it's obvious who the book considers to be the underdog.

Because there are more than two runners, horse racing uses a totally different system, where everything is expressed as a fraction. +150 would be equivalent of 3/2 and -200 would be 1/2. The idea here is that for a fraction x/y, you win x dollars for every y dollars you wager. (3/2 means $3 is won for every $2 wagered, etc.)  Longshots will almost always have a fraction with a denominator of 1, which is often shown on screen as a whole number, so if you see odds quoted as just, say, "65" (the final odds for Country House at the 2019 Kentucky Derby), this means 65/1 or a win of $65 on a $1 bet. This means that, rather than picking one favorite and one underdog, instead, the lower the number is, the more of a favorite it is, and the higher the number, the more of a longshot it is.

Of course the problem with this is that casual race observers hate fractions and have trouble determining if 3/2 is better or worse than 4/3, etc.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CoreySamson on January 09, 2022, 07:13:58 PM
The Texans need to fire their offensive coordinator this offseason. 2-yard runs up the middle on first and second down are not a feasible way to play offense, especially when you have a growing quarterback (and a crappy offensive line, not to mention no good backs).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on March 12, 2022, 08:39:51 PM
Replay absolutists. I'm watching the Minnesota high school hockey championships, which are at the Xcel Energy Center where the Minnesota Wild play, so the high school league makes use of the NHL's replay review equipment. Officials spent 3 minutes going over the same 3 frames of a frame-by-frame breakdown of a possible offside review that could have negated a goal. It was inconclusive and the goal stood.

It's high school. We don't need NHL-style professional reviewing frame by frame like this. And I know most people disagree with me at this point, they think that it would be wrong not to use the technology as much as needed for every possible situation that calls for it.

Just because we can do a thing, does not mean we should do a thing.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 12, 2022, 09:01:00 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 12, 2022, 08:39:51 PM
Replay absolutists. I'm watching the Minnesota high school hockey championships, which are at the Xcel Energy Center where the Minnesota Wild play, so the high school league makes use of the NHL's replay review equipment. Officials spent 3 minutes going over the same 3 frames of a frame-by-frame breakdown of a possible offside review that could have negated a goal. It was inconclusive and the goal stood.

It's high school. We don't need NHL-style professional reviewing frame by frame like this. And I know most people disagree with me at this point, they think that it would be wrong not to use the technology as much as needed for every possible situation that calls for it.

Just because we can do a thing, does not mean we should do a thing.

Completely get that. However, I bet about 50% did appreciate them getting the call in their favor!
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Takumi on March 12, 2022, 09:07:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on January 03, 2020, 01:07:04 AM
the MLS

Not grammatically correct, and few people would make the mistake of using "the MLB".
Unfortunately, "the MLB"  is a phrase that's growing in use. I suspect "the MLS"  is too.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on March 12, 2022, 11:10:42 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 12, 2022, 08:39:51 PM
Replay absolutists. I'm watching the Minnesota high school hockey championships, which are at the Xcel Energy Center where the Minnesota Wild play, so the high school league makes use of the NHL's replay review equipment. Officials spent 3 minutes going over the same 3 frames of a frame-by-frame breakdown of a possible offside review that could have negated a goal. It was inconclusive and the goal stood.

It's high school. We don't need NHL-style professional reviewing frame by frame like this. And I know most people disagree with me at this point, they think that it would be wrong not to use the technology as much as needed for every possible situation that calls for it.

Just because we can do a thing, does not mean we should do a thing.
I thought there was no replay in high school sports and having the replay equipment available for a playoff game was no exception. :confused:
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on March 12, 2022, 11:41:25 PM
Quote from: Big John on March 12, 2022, 11:10:42 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 12, 2022, 08:39:51 PM
Replay absolutists. I'm watching the Minnesota high school hockey championships, which are at the Xcel Energy Center where the Minnesota Wild play, so the high school league makes use of the NHL's replay review equipment. Officials spent 3 minutes going over the same 3 frames of a frame-by-frame breakdown of a possible offside review that could have negated a goal. It was inconclusive and the goal stood.

It's high school. We don't need NHL-style professional reviewing frame by frame like this. And I know most people disagree with me at this point, they think that it would be wrong not to use the technology as much as needed for every possible situation that calls for it.

Just because we can do a thing, does not mean we should do a thing.
I thought there was no replay in high school sports and having the replay equipment available for a playoff game was no exception. :confused:

It was mentioned on TV during a MN HS football championship game at US Bank Stadium a few years ago that Minnesota's high school sports governing body had asked for special permission to be allowed to use replay review systems (not sure if they had to apply for all sports individually or were given a blanket permission to use replay in any facility that contains the systems).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on March 13, 2022, 11:04:13 AM
Quote from: Takumi on March 12, 2022, 09:07:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on January 03, 2020, 01:07:04 AM
the MLS

Not grammatically correct, and few people would make the mistake of using "the MLB".
Unfortunately, “the MLB” is a phrase that’s growing in use. I suspect “the MLS” is too.

That's a function of using initialisms as words, because emelbee or emelless are not yet words.

Unless you're Ukraine, it's time to get over it.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on March 13, 2022, 04:20:11 PM
Also still common is "The Czech Republic" rather than "Czechia".  You could use the same form for lots of place, such as "The French Republic" or "The Republic of Nicaragua", but this is very rare in common speech. 

Back to sports, people that assume that a person is a fan of the university named for the state.  I have a friend who is from Duluth, and his main team is UMD hockey.  Has no interest in "Minnesota" AKA UMTC.  People assume he cares about Gopher football and basketball, he doesn't, and he hates Gopher hockey.  Another friend went to Auburn and people will "Roll Tide" him when he says he is from Alabama.  Personally, I have no use for the university in my state named for the state, in athletics or generally.  It is a money pit that should be closed.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on March 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: Takumi on March 12, 2022, 09:07:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on January 03, 2020, 01:07:04 AM
the MLS

Not grammatically correct, and few people would make the mistake of using "the MLB".
Unfortunately, "the MLB"  is a phrase that's growing in use. I suspect "the MLS"  is too.

I've never understood why anyone thinks either of those is correct. The full name doesn't take the article other than when the name is used adjectivally (e.g., "the Major League Baseball season is delayed this year), so the abbreviation doesn't either.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 13, 2022, 04:32:44 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: Takumi on March 12, 2022, 09:07:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on January 03, 2020, 01:07:04 AM
the MLS

Not grammatically correct, and few people would make the mistake of using "the MLB".
Unfortunately, "the MLB"  is a phrase that's growing in use. I suspect "the MLS"  is too.

I've never understood why anyone thinks either of those is correct. The full name doesn't take the article other than when the name is used adjectivally (e.g., "the Major League Baseball season is delayed this year), so the abbreviation doesn't either.

Along a similar vein, in a few days we'll start seeing TV listings for the "NIT Tournament" and then "MLB Baseball"
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on March 13, 2022, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: Takumi on March 12, 2022, 09:07:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on January 03, 2020, 01:07:04 AM
the MLS
Not grammatically correct, and few people would make the mistake of using "the MLB".
Unfortunately, "the MLB"  is a phrase that's growing in use. I suspect "the MLS"  is too.
I've never understood why anyone thinks either of those is correct. The full name doesn't take the article other than when the name is used adjectivally (e.g., "the Major League Baseball season is delayed this year), so the abbreviation doesn't either.
In both cases, the League abbreviated name is being substituted in place of the generic "the league"  - so in that sense, "the MLS"  or "the MLB"  makes grammatical sense. It is the (shorthand) name of the Professional League, that each league markets itself as

In this sense, "the NASCAR"  would also be correct, and even when said fully "The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing..."  the use of "the"  here actually is grammatically correct with the full meaning of the abbreviation, but "NASCAR"  is not commonly used that way as a noun

No one would say The Major League Soccer...; The Major League Baseball...; but usage in place of "the league"  is spot on correct
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on March 13, 2022, 05:03:08 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on March 13, 2022, 04:32:44 PM
Along a similar vein, in a few days we'll start seeing TV listings for the "NIT Tournament" and then "MLB Baseball"
"NIT Tournament"  is right up there with "ATM Machine"

NIT stands for National Invitational Tournament...So NIT Tournament is National Invitational Tournament Tournament

"MLB Baseball"  isn't much better: Major League Baseball Baseball, just in case you were looking for Major League Baseball Soccer, or Major League Baseball Football, or Major League Baseball Softball (OK, I could see an MLB-ran Womens Softball league someday, along the lines of the NBA/WNBA relationship)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: snowc on March 13, 2022, 06:38:32 PM
NIT is the losers tournament.  :colorful:
Syracuse is a loser, and they will always be.  :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
Just gonna have to wait until later this year, as Hurricane Matthew destroyed the area in 2016, and they WERE NOT in there in 2016.  :pan:
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on March 13, 2022, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 13, 2022, 06:38:32 PM
NIT is the losers tournament.
Syracuse is a loser, and they will always be.
Just gonna have to wait until later this year, as Hurricane Matthew destroyed the area in 2016, and they WERE NOT in there in 2016.
your use of emoji annoys me
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Takumi on March 13, 2022, 09:50:44 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on March 13, 2022, 04:51:07 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: Takumi on March 12, 2022, 09:07:51 PM
Quote from: Bruce on January 03, 2020, 01:07:04 AM
the MLS
Not grammatically correct, and few people would make the mistake of using "the MLB".
Unfortunately, "the MLB"  is a phrase that's growing in use. I suspect "the MLS"  is too.
I've never understood why anyone thinks either of those is correct. The full name doesn't take the article other than when the name is used adjectivally (e.g., "the Major League Baseball season is delayed this year), so the abbreviation doesn't either.
In both cases, the League abbreviated name is being substituted in place of the generic "the league"  - so in that sense, "the MLS"  or "the MLB"  makes grammatical sense. It is the (shorthand) name of the Professional League, that each league markets itself as

In this sense, "the NASCAR"  would also be correct, and even when said fully "The National Association for Stock Car Auto Racing..."  the use of "the"  here actually is grammatically correct with the full meaning of the abbreviation, but "NASCAR"  is not commonly used that way as a noun

No one would say The Major League Soccer...; The Major League Baseball...; but usage in place of "the league"  is spot on correct

I'm going to start using "the NASCAR"  now.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: GaryV on March 14, 2022, 08:39:10 AM
Pretending that the NCAA b-ball tournament brackets really reflect East, South, Midwest and West locations.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: snowc on March 14, 2022, 09:02:34 AM
Quote from: Alps on March 13, 2022, 08:06:16 PM
Quote from: snowc on March 13, 2022, 06:38:32 PM
NIT is the losers tournament.
Syracuse is a loser, and they will always be.
Just gonna have to wait until later this year, as Hurricane Matthew destroyed the area in 2016, and they WERE NOT in there in 2016.
your use of emoji annoys me
lol.  :colorful:
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on March 14, 2022, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: GaryV on March 14, 2022, 08:39:10 AM
Pretending that the NCAA b-ball tournament brackets really reflect East, South, Midwest and West locations.

FTFY
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on March 14, 2022, 10:00:21 AM
Quote from: kphoger on March 14, 2022, 09:58:10 AM
Quote from: GaryV on March 14, 2022, 08:39:10 AM
Pretending that the NCAA b-ball tournament brackets really reflect East, South, Midwest and West locations.

FTFY

Nope. It was correct before, since it was being used as an adjective. (Your modification doesn't make it wrong; either way works.)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on March 14, 2022, 10:01:07 AM
Quote from: 1 on March 14, 2022, 10:00:21 AM

Quote from: kphoger on March 14, 2022, 09:58:10 AM

Quote from: GaryV on March 14, 2022, 08:39:10 AM
Pretending that the NCAA b-ball tournament brackets really reflect East, South, Midwest and West locations.

FTFY

Nope. It was correct before, since it was being used as an adjective.

sarcasm
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on March 14, 2022, 10:50:00 AM
I would lay $100 that, within 10 years, the NCAA will rename the regions something like Coca-Cola region, Draft Kings region, Buick region, and McDonald's region.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Buck87 on March 14, 2022, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: GaryV on March 14, 2022, 08:39:10 AM
Pretending that the NCAA b-ball tournament brackets really reflect East, South, Midwest and West locations.

Not understanding that a pod system to limit overall travel in the first weekend has been in place for 20 years now and that the regional names refer only to the venues of the 2nd weekend.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on March 14, 2022, 01:27:42 PM
Not really.  The move of the first/second rounds to a "pod system"  was not to cut travel.  The NCAA is loaded and the cost of travel is not an issue.  It is to sell tickets. 

As big a deal as the NCAAs are, tickets to the early games can be fairly easy to score.  Not that many people in Atlanta are going to take off work on a Thursday to see Texas Tech play Minnesota. 

Thus, the bigger schools with the big followings get sent as near home as they can be.    Then in the second week the venues are actually marginally geographically in the places they are, although the same city has been "east"  one year and "south"  another. 

But if you go back far enough, the regional tournaments really were regional.    You had to win your league, or be a very good independent (independent was a thing back then) and you went to the regional tournament in YOUR region, every year. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on March 14, 2022, 01:43:27 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on March 14, 2022, 01:27:42 PM
Not really.  The move of the first/second rounds to a "pod system"  was not to cut travel.  The NCAA is loaded and the cost of travel is not an issue.  It is to sell tickets. 

As big a deal as the NCAAs are, tickets to the early games can be fairly easy to score.  Not that many people in Atlanta are going to take off work on a Thursday to see Texas Tech play Minnesota. 

Thus, the bigger schools with the big followings get sent as near home as they can be.  Then in the second week the venues are actually marginally geographically in the places they are, although the same city has been "east"  one year and "south"  another. 

But if you go back far enough, the regional tournaments really were regional.    You had to win your league, or be a very good independent (independent was a thing back then) and you went to the regional tournament in YOUR region, every year. 

The pod system does both, cutting down travel and drawing more fans. Take this year's field. The four regions sort out like this:

East: Rounds 1/2 at Buffalo and Pittsburgh, Regional at Philadelphia
Midwest: Rounds 1/2 at Indianapolis and Milwaukee, Regional at Chicago
South: Rounds 1/2 at Greenville and Fort Worth, Regional at San Antonio
West: Rounds 1/2 at Portland and San Diego, Regional at San Francisco

Now look at this year's #1 seeds (in order) Gonzaga, Arizona, Kansas, Baylor. Under the old, old system, Arizona would be a #2 seed in the West even as the #2 overall team because teams weren't moved. That would be unfair to both Arizona and Gonzaga. Now, the integrity of the bracket ensures that the four best teams going to four different regions overrides geography. Gonzaga as the overall #1 gets priority in the West. Arizona as the overall #2 gets the next closest for them which is the South. Kansas slots into their natural territory in the Midwest, and Baylor gets sent East.

Under the old system, Baylor being in the East region meant that they also had to play their 1st/2nd round games in either Buffalo or Pittsburgh. The pod system allows you to play 1st/2nd round games in a different region than your regional, so they can play their 1st/2nd round in Fort Worth before heading out to Philadelphia. Arizona can play their 1st/2nd rounds at San Diego before going to Fort Worth.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Buck87 on March 14, 2022, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on March 14, 2022, 01:27:42 PM
The move of the first/second rounds to a “pod system” was not to cut travel.
...
It is to sell tickets.
the bigger schools with the big followings get sent as near home as they can be.   

It wasn't to cut travel.....but to sell more tickets....by cutting travel?

My comment was about "overall travel", meaning everyone involved. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: abefroman329 on March 14, 2022, 02:53:23 PM
People who talk about the purity of baseball.  Makes me wonder what else you think should be pure.

People who propose at a sporting event AND arrange to have it on the Jumbotron, but aren't 100% sure the other person is going to say "yes."  I've seen proposals at hockey games twice, and luckily they said "yes" both times, but oh, are the videos of the proposal being turned down uncomfortable to watch.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on March 14, 2022, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 13, 2022, 04:27:50 PM

Quote from: Takumi on March 12, 2022, 09:07:51 PM

Quote from: Bruce on January 03, 2020, 01:07:04 AM
the MLS

Not grammatically correct, and few people would make the mistake of using "the MLB".

Unfortunately, "the MLB"  is a phrase that's growing in use. I suspect "the MLS"  is too.

I've never understood why anyone thinks either of those is correct. The full name doesn't take the article other than when the name is used adjectivally (e.g., "the Major League Baseball season is delayed this year), so the abbreviation doesn't either.

When they make such a point of branding themselves as MLB and MLS, I actually think it's kind of unreasonable to expect people to continue thinking of them by their full names and then speak/write accordingly.  I mean, remember when Kentucky Fried Chicken went to such great lengths to get people to think of them only as "KFC" instead?  It's the same basic thing:  they apparently want people to think of them only as "MLB" and "MLS" more than they want people to think of them as "Major League Baseball" and "Major League Soccer".

With that in mind, there then ceases to be any compelling reason for people to make a verbal distinction between MLB, AFC, NHL, NFL, MLS, NBA, and NFC.  And, considering that all the others in that list get the definite article, it seems quite natural that people would likewise append it to the two in question.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on March 14, 2022, 03:44:40 PM
More replay review shenanigans, this time in the stands as a spectator. The visiting team is challenging a call that went in favor of the home team. Stadium jumbotron shows no replay (or maybe shows it once at near-regular speed) thinking it has some weird influence over helping the call stay in the home team's favor after the review. Instead you sit there wondering what the heck happened because they won't show it again in any manner that lets you decide for yourself what the right call should be.

The opposite is when the home team challenges a call, and they show it 50 times when that happens.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on March 14, 2022, 06:29:17 PM
That the NCAA uses "Midwest" in the March Madness bracket instead of "North", preventing the four sections from being all named after cardinal directions.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Buck87 on March 14, 2022, 08:03:19 PM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on March 14, 2022, 06:29:17 PM
That the NCAA uses "Midwest" in the March Madness bracket instead of "North", preventing the four sections from being all named after cardinal directions.

You would have loved it back when the regions were West, Midwest, Mideast and East. 



Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on March 15, 2022, 10:23:18 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on March 14, 2022, 08:03:19 PM

You would have loved it back when the regions were West, Midwest, Mideast and East. 


I remember that.  AFAIK, the NCAA was unique in its use of the word "Mideast"  to mean "eastern Midwest" .    Also both terms were used for places well below the Ohio.  A team from Louisiana would have gone to the Mideast regional, a team from Texas to the Midwest. 

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Scott5114 on March 16, 2022, 04:58:15 AM
Ukraine discussion moved to: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=31124
Title: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Big John on May 24, 2022, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: frankenroad on May 24, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
And don't get me started on sports players who put the JR or III on their uniforms - unless your dad is still playing in the same league, (e.g., Ken Griffey at one time), it's not necessary.  When I played soccer, my shirt just said SMITH on the back.

Started with Robert Griffin III.  The NFL changed the rule allowing such suffixes with him as a rookie.  Not all teams do that though.
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on May 25, 2022, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: Big John on May 24, 2022, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: frankenroad on May 24, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
And don't get me started on sports players who put the JR or III on their uniforms - unless your dad is still playing in the same league, (e.g., Ken Griffey at one time), it's not necessary.  When I played soccer, my shirt just said SMITH on the back.

Started with Robert Griffin III.  The NFL changed the rule allowing such suffixes with him as a rookie.  Not all teams do that though.

NASCAR's done that for years. One of the earliest ones I remember was Bobby Hillin Jr. I never heard of Bobby Hillin Sr., so I don't know why he always needed to be referred to as Bobby Hillin Jr.

Today, there's Martin Truex Jr. Not sure why the suffix is needed.

UK athletes have started doing that. Last year's basketball team had a player named Keion Brooks Jr., and the back of his jersey read BROOKS JR. Never mind that his dad had never played for UK.
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Takumi on May 25, 2022, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on May 25, 2022, 06:34:24 PM
Quote from: Big John on May 24, 2022, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: frankenroad on May 24, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
And don't get me started on sports players who put the JR or III on their uniforms - unless your dad is still playing in the same league, (e.g., Ken Griffey at one time), it's not necessary.  When I played soccer, my shirt just said SMITH on the back.

Started with Robert Griffin III.  The NFL changed the rule allowing such suffixes with him as a rookie.  Not all teams do that though.

NASCAR's done that for years. One of the earliest ones I remember was Bobby Hillin Jr. I never heard of Bobby Hillin Sr., so I don't know why he always needed to be referred to as Bobby Hillin Jr.

Today, there's Martin Truex Jr. Not sure why the suffix is needed.
Bobby Hillin Sr. was a sprint car and Indy car team owner in the 1970s, and Martin Truex Sr. drove in the Busch North series (what's now known as ARCA East) in the 80s and 90s.
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on May 26, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: Big John on May 24, 2022, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: frankenroad on May 24, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
And don't get me started on sports players who put the JR or III on their uniforms - unless your dad is still playing in the same league, (e.g., Ken Griffey at one time), it's not necessary.  When I played soccer, my shirt just said SMITH on the back.

Started with Robert Griffin III.  The NFL changed the rule allowing such suffixes with him as a rookie.  Not all teams do that though.

One reason Griffin did that was because when he played for Baylor, there was another Robert Griffin on the team. But they had different middle initials, so who knows why they chose to use the suffix instead. 
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
One reason Griffin did that was because when he played for Baylor, there was another Robert Griffin on the team. But they had different middle initials, so who knows why they chose to use the suffix instead. 

I assume it's because only the last name is shown on a jersey.
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on May 26, 2022, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: Big John on May 24, 2022, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: frankenroad on May 24, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
And don't get me started on sports players who put the JR or III on their uniforms - unless your dad is still playing in the same league, (e.g., Ken Griffey at one time), it's not necessary.  When I played soccer, my shirt just said SMITH on the back.

Started with Robert Griffin III.  The NFL changed the rule allowing such suffixes with him as a rookie.  Not all teams do that though.

One reason Griffin did that was because when he played for Baylor, there was another Robert Griffin on the team. But they had different middle initials, so who knows why they chose to use the suffix instead.

To compare with the old days, Ken Griffey Jr. was a household name, even with the Jr., but his jersey always read GRIFFEY.  OF course that was back when they didn't put suffixes on jerseys.  Even when his dad joined him on the Mariners (not only was there Ken Griffey Sr. and Ken Griffey Jr. playing in the league at the same time, but they were actually on the same team) they both only had GRIFFEY on their jerseys.  Only the numbers 30 and 24 were the identification between the two (and that it was a completely different person wearing the jersey  :spin:)
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: hbelkins on May 27, 2022, 07:42:35 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on May 26, 2022, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: Big John on May 24, 2022, 05:40:56 PM
Quote from: frankenroad on May 24, 2022, 05:09:04 PM
And don't get me started on sports players who put the JR or III on their uniforms - unless your dad is still playing in the same league, (e.g., Ken Griffey at one time), it's not necessary.  When I played soccer, my shirt just said SMITH on the back.

Started with Robert Griffin III.  The NFL changed the rule allowing such suffixes with him as a rookie.  Not all teams do that though.

One reason Griffin did that was because when he played for Baylor, there was another Robert Griffin on the team. But they had different middle initials, so who knows why they chose to use the suffix instead.

To compare with the old days, Ken Griffey Jr. was a household name, even with the Jr., but his jersey always read GRIFFEY.  OF course that was back when they didn't put suffixes on jerseys.  Even when his dad joined him on the Mariners (not only was there Ken Griffey Sr. and Ken Griffey Jr. playing in the league at the same time, but they were actually on the same team) they both only had GRIFFEY on their jerseys.  Only the numbers 30 and 24 were the identification between the two (and that it was a completely different person wearing the jersey  :spin:)

Back when the Harrison, Aaron and Andrew, played for UK, they both just had "Harrison" on their backs.

When Dale Earnhardt Jr. came into NASCAR, his father was not all that widely referred to as Dale Earnhardt Sr. A few people did, but he didn't adopt the Sr. as part of his name.
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on May 28, 2022, 08:08:17 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
One reason Griffin did that was because when he played for Baylor, there was another Robert Griffin on the team. But they had different middle initials, so who knows why they chose to use the suffix instead. 

I assume it's because only the last name is shown on a jersey.

Some teams do use first initials if two players have the same last name. Baltimore's baseball team used to have "C. Ripken" and "B. Ripken," for example.
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: Big John on May 28, 2022, 08:17:01 PM
^^ Jack Youngblood had his whole name on his back.  https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_12_desktop/rams/zewshycoidhfqq6fkpgy
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: kphoger on May 31, 2022, 01:10:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 28, 2022, 08:08:17 PM

Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 10:50:13 AM

Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
One reason Griffin did that was because when he played for Baylor, there was another Robert Griffin on the team. But they had different middle initials, so who knows why they chose to use the suffix instead. 

I assume it's because only the last name is shown on a jersey.

Some teams do use first initials if two players have the same last name. Baltimore's baseball team used to have "C. Ripken" and "B. Ripken," for example.

... which still isn't a middle name.
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: 1995hoo on May 31, 2022, 02:10:28 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 31, 2022, 01:10:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 28, 2022, 08:08:17 PM

Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 10:50:13 AM

Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
One reason Griffin did that was because when he played for Baylor, there was another Robert Griffin on the team. But they had different middle initials, so who knows why they chose to use the suffix instead. 

I assume it's because only the last name is shown on a jersey.

Some teams do use first initials if two players have the same last name. Baltimore's baseball team used to have "C. Ripken" and "B. Ripken," for example.

... which still isn't a middle name.

But you said "only the last name is shown on a jersey" and I was saying that's not necessarily true. Once you include first initials, there's no real reason why you couldn't use two initials if appropriate (and I know Texas A&M football, at a minimum, has used the first two letters of players' first names when two players had the same first initial and last name–it would be like putting "Ch. Johnson" and "Cl. Johnson" if a team had players named Chad Johnson and Clyde Johnson).
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: formulanone on May 31, 2022, 07:53:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 31, 2022, 02:10:28 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 31, 2022, 01:10:11 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 28, 2022, 08:08:17 PM

Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 10:50:13 AM

Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
One reason Griffin did that was because when he played for Baylor, there was another Robert Griffin on the team. But they had different middle initials, so who knows why they chose to use the suffix instead. 

I assume it's because only the last name is shown on a jersey.

Some teams do use first initials if two players have the same last name. Baltimore's baseball team used to have "C. Ripken" and "B. Ripken," for example.

... which still isn't a middle name.

But you said "only the last name is shown on a jersey" and I was saying that's not necessarily true. Once you include first initials, there's no real reason why you couldn't use two initials if appropriate (and I know Texas A&M football, at a minimum, has used the first two letters of players' first names when two players had the same first initial and last name–it would be like putting "Ch. Johnson" and "Cl. Johnson" if a team had players named Chad Johnson and Clyde Johnson).

I demand to hear an excuse why this bothers anyone here, in a forum where some sort of absolute precision is demanded of naming and numbering inanimate objects.

What if your business card just had your first name or only your last name? Or your name tag?  Let them have their own name spelled out; it turns out people really like it spelled right and not called something else for some reason...  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: dlsterner on May 31, 2022, 08:04:23 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 28, 2022, 08:08:17 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
One reason Griffin did that was because when he played for Baylor, there was another Robert Griffin on the team. But they had different middle initials, so who knows why they chose to use the suffix instead. 

I assume it's because only the last name is shown on a jersey.

Some teams do use first initials if two players have the same last name. Baltimore's baseball team used to have "C. Ripken" and "B. Ripken," for example.

Even when Cal and Billy were teammates (and their father Cal Sr. was on the coaching staff), their uniforms still just said "Ripken" without any first initial.  The O's had a worse situation around that same time when they had two pitchers named Michael Anthony Smith (but as fate would have it, they weren't on the major league roster concurrently).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on June 01, 2022, 07:02:11 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on May 31, 2022, 08:04:23 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 28, 2022, 08:08:17 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
One reason Griffin did that was because when he played for Baylor, there was another Robert Griffin on the team. But they had different middle initials, so who knows why they chose to use the suffix instead. 

I assume it's because only the last name is shown on a jersey.

Some teams do use first initials if two players have the same last name. Baltimore's baseball team used to have "C. Ripken" and "B. Ripken," for example.

Even when Cal and Billy were teammates (and their father Cal Sr. was on the coaching staff), their uniforms still just said "Ripken" without any first initial.  The O's had a worse situation around that same time when they had two pitchers named Michael Anthony Smith (but as fate would have it, they weren't on the major league roster concurrently).

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIN/MIN201704140.shtml

White Sox started Avasail Garcia in RF, Willy Garcia in LF and Leury Garcia in CF (none related). None wore an initial on their jerseys in front of their last name.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 01, 2022, 07:28:32 PM
Sort of an amusing story, in the late 1990s Randy Moss's late brother Eric was also on the Vikings. The Vikings played on Thanksgiving in Dallas in 2000; in the first half, Randy Moss's jersey just said "MOSS", but when the teams came back out for the second half, his jersey now said "R. MOSS" - and the weirdest thing was that by this point Eric was no longer on the team, so it must have been a spare jersey lying around from Eric's time on the Vikings that just got brought along in case Randy needed a new jersey.
Title: Re: Re: Minor things that bother you
Post by: jp the roadgeek on June 04, 2022, 02:57:02 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on May 31, 2022, 08:04:23 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 28, 2022, 08:08:17 PM
Quote from: kphoger on May 26, 2022, 10:50:13 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2022, 10:42:27 AM
One reason Griffin did that was because when he played for Baylor, there was another Robert Griffin on the team. But they had different middle initials, so who knows why they chose to use the suffix instead. 

I assume it's because only the last name is shown on a jersey.

Some teams do use first initials if two players have the same last name. Baltimore's baseball team used to have "C. Ripken" and "B. Ripken," for example.

Even when Cal and Billy were teammates (and their father Cal Sr. was on the coaching staff), their uniforms still just said "Ripken" without any first initial.  The O's had a worse situation around that same time when they had two pitchers named Michael Anthony Smith (but as fate would have it, they weren't on the major league roster concurrently).

The Mets did have a similar problem when they had two Bobby Joneses on the roster.  Bobby J Jones was a right handed starter, while Bobby M Jones was a left handed reliever. 

Don't think Greg A and Greg W Harris were ever on the same team at the same time.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CoreySamson on July 13, 2022, 12:14:56 PM
I dislike it when superstars constantly jump between teams to try to get a championship quick and easy. This particularly seems to be a problem in the NBA (LeBron, Durant, Shaq, Westbrook). I personally respect pro athletes more when they stick with one or two teams for their entire career (think Kobe, Steph Curry, or Dirk). But it's not that much of a problem to me if role players do the same thing, and I actually respect the "journeyman" role players who play for 5 or more teams over their career.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jgb191 on July 24, 2022, 12:06:08 AM
Quote from: CoreySamson on July 13, 2022, 12:14:56 PM
I dislike it when superstars constantly jump between teams to try to get a championship quick and easy. This particularly seems to be a problem in the NBA (LeBron, Durant, Shaq, Westbrook). I personally respect pro athletes more when they stick with one or two teams for their entire career (think Kobe, Steph Curry, or Dirk). But it's not that much of a problem to me if role players do the same thing, and I actually respect the "journeyman" role players who play for 5 or more teams over their career.


Shaq never jumped to an already championship team (like Kevin Durant did from OKC to GS).  If anything, it was the reverse (twice): he jumped from an Eastern Conference championship team (Orlando) to a team in Los Angeles trying to find a new identity (and did thanks to the genius of one of the greatest architects in sports history Jerry West).  He was traded to another team trying to find its identity with Miami (thanks to another legendary executive Pat Riley).  Riley took a massive gamble to take on an aging Shaq (and it was a huge gamble considering he had to give up all-star caliber talents).  Again Shaq left a championship team for a lesser team at the time.  By the time Shaq was in Phoenix and Cleveland, his ability had plunged far from his former superstar status.

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Sports peeves for me:

A.  Players who reject a multi-million dollars contract offer and claim it's not good enough.  (Latrell Sprewell and Kevin Garnett are a couple that come to mind)

B.  Players who sign a contract (extension) and demand a trade shortly after for any reason.  Deshaun Watson and Kevin Durant come to mind on this one.  And yes as a Texans fan this irked our fanbase; Deshaun signed an extension for four more years, only to quit a mere four months after signing it.  I can understand wanting to be traded after completing more than half of your obligated time for certain reasons.  It's called a contract for a reason; players have no freedom to simply quit or join a new team at will like the rest of us.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on July 24, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
At a restaurant, I saw on one of the TVs a Red Sox uniform with 34 inside a goat outline. This is David Ortiz. Someone seems to be confused about what GOAT means. Unlike Tom Brady, there are multiple teams in baseball with really good designated hitters; while David Ortiz was good, he's not a GOAT.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: dlsterner on July 24, 2022, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 24, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
At a restaurant, I saw on one of the TVs a Red Sox uniform with 34 inside a goat outline. This is David Ortiz. Someone seems to be confused about what GOAT means. Unlike Tom Brady, there are multiple teams in baseball with really good designated hitters; while David Ortiz was good, he's not a GOAT.

Agree ... even if you consider Red Sox only players (of all positions), while David Ortiz was one of the best, no way could you rank him above Ted Williams.


(Side note:  first time I was exposed to the term GOAT/goat was in the old Peanuts comic strips where Charlie Brown was always the "goat" (as opposed to "GOAT") for causing his team to lose.  I still do a double-take when I see the term.)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on July 25, 2022, 09:09:25 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 24, 2022, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 24, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
At a restaurant, I saw on one of the TVs a Red Sox uniform with 34 inside a goat outline. This is David Ortiz. Someone seems to be confused about what GOAT means. Unlike Tom Brady, there are multiple teams in baseball with really good designated hitters; while David Ortiz was good, he's not a GOAT.

Agree ... even if you consider Red Sox only players (of all positions), while David Ortiz was one of the best, no way could you rank him above Ted Williams.


(Side note:  first time I was exposed to the term GOAT/goat was in the old Peanuts comic strips where Charlie Brown was always the "goat" (as opposed to "GOAT") for causing his team to lose.  I still do a double-take when I see the term.)

I don't use the term for this reason.  To me a goat is still the person who chokes or fails in the situation he needed to succeed in. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: GaryV on July 25, 2022, 09:25:19 AM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on July 25, 2022, 09:09:25 AM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 24, 2022, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 24, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
At a restaurant, I saw on one of the TVs a Red Sox uniform with 34 inside a goat outline. This is David Ortiz. Someone seems to be confused about what GOAT means. Unlike Tom Brady, there are multiple teams in baseball with really good designated hitters; while David Ortiz was good, he's not a GOAT.

Agree ... even if you consider Red Sox only players (of all positions), while David Ortiz was one of the best, no way could you rank him above Ted Williams.


(Side note:  first time I was exposed to the term GOAT/goat was in the old Peanuts comic strips where Charlie Brown was always the "goat" (as opposed to "GOAT") for causing his team to lose.  I still do a double-take when I see the term.)

I don't use the term for this reason.  To me a goat is still the person who chokes or fails in the situation he needed to succeed in.

I'm sure that comes from "scapegoat", a person who is blamed for all wrong things. That comes from the Old Testament where all the sins of the people were figuratively placed on the goat who was then driven off into the wilderness.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on July 25, 2022, 09:26:37 AM
Quote from: 1 on July 24, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
At a restaurant, I saw on one of the TVs a Red Sox uniform with 34 inside a goat outline. This is David Ortiz. Someone seems to be confused about what GOAT means. Unlike Tom Brady, there are multiple teams in baseball with really good designated hitters; while David Ortiz was good, he's not a GOAT.

Would have figured a syringe outline for Ortiz.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on July 25, 2022, 05:46:28 PM
Quote from: dlsterner on July 24, 2022, 03:42:34 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 24, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
At a restaurant, I saw on one of the TVs a Red Sox uniform with 34 inside a goat outline. This is David Ortiz. Someone seems to be confused about what GOAT means. Unlike Tom Brady, there are multiple teams in baseball with really good designated hitters; while David Ortiz was good, he's not a GOAT.

Agree ... even if you consider Red Sox only players (of all positions), while David Ortiz was one of the best, no way could you rank him above Ted Williams.

Culturally, David Ortiz is a legend, and the Red Sox reached heights never seen before in franchise history when he was part of the team. These things are not always just about stats, as much as some people try to make stats be the be-all-end-all of sports.

If your baseline for stats comparison for Ortiz is Edgar Martinez (a fellow HOF DH with some career overlap), Ortiz blows his stats away.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Scott5114 on July 25, 2022, 07:25:30 PM
Quote from: 1 on July 24, 2022, 02:21:13 PM
At a restaurant, I saw on one of the TVs a Red Sox uniform with 34 inside a goat outline.

A number inside a goat outline? Are you sure that wasn't just an Alanland route shield?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on September 26, 2022, 07:38:21 PM
European football (i.e. soccer) terminology gets two things wrong:

1. A match is supposed to consist of several games, not one.

2. Calling a tie a draw. A tie is when the scores are equal at the end. A draw is pretty much anything else, having a defined meaning in cricket but also existing in games where draw by agreement exists such as chess. In soccer, it should logically be a tie.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on September 27, 2022, 05:36:15 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 26, 2022, 07:38:21 PM
European football (i.e. soccer) terminology gets two things wrong:

1. A match is supposed to consist of several games, not one.

2. Calling a tie a draw. A tie is when the scores are equal at the end. A draw is pretty much anything else, having a defined meaning in cricket but also existing in games where draw by agreement exists such as chess. In soccer, it should logically be a tie.

1. A match can be singular and this isn't just a soccer thing.

2. A "tie" is a synonym for fixture or game in British English, hence why it isn't used to describe a result. While "draw" also has double meaning, at least they are somewhat related (an even result, whether earned in the match or the result of a random selection for competition).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on September 27, 2022, 06:40:19 PM
Quote from: Bruce on September 27, 2022, 05:36:15 PM
1. A match can be singular and this isn't just a soccer thing.

Such as cricket, rugby (which is football but not soccer), and boxing (which has multiple rounds but no games).

A match is when two opponents meet to battle it out.  Some matches are properly called 'games', some matches consist of several 'games', some matches consist of sub-units of another name, etc.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 07:45:48 AM
What I find more annoying on that is media inconsistency. If you look at ESPN.com, for example, all the scores are listed in the normal way (visiting team on top, home team on the bottom)–except soccer scores, and the soccer scores are listed backwards even when they're listed together with the other sports. It's distracting and confusing, and there's no real reason to do that just because the Europeans do it that way (ESPN is not a European news outlet and they don't ordinarily use British spellings for things except proper nouns). Shortly before my father died, we turned on a DC United game and the score was listed as other team whatever, DC whatever. My father looked at it and said it didn't look like Audi Field and I said it wasn't–United were on the road–to which he said, "Wait, but they're listed second, so they're the home team." I said, "Apparently for soccer they do the opposite because the hardcore soccer fans complain if they don't." He was unaware of that and found it quite puzzling that they would inexplicably use a different system just for one sport.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: JayhawkCO on September 28, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 07:45:48 AM
What I find more annoying on that is media inconsistency. If you look at ESPN.com, for example, all the scores are listed in the normal way (visiting team on top, home team on the bottom)–except soccer scores, and the soccer scores are listed backwards even when they're listed together with the other sports. It's distracting and confusing, and there's no real reason to do that just because the Europeans do it that way (ESPN is not a European news outlet and they don't ordinarily use British spellings for things except proper nouns). Shortly before my father died, we turned on a DC United game and the score was listed as other team whatever, DC whatever. My father looked at it and said it didn't look like Audi Field and I said it wasn't–United were on the road–to which he said, "Wait, but they're listed second, so they're the home team." I said, "Apparently for soccer they do the opposite because the hardcore soccer fans complain if they don't." He was unaware of that and found it quite puzzling that they would inexplicably use a different system just for one sport.

Well, when MLS rolled out, they also tried to have a countdown clock instead of doing it the way the rest of the world does it, which was stupid. At some point, if you want to be a part of the "world's game", American exceptionalism needs to be toned down a bit. :)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 11:31:58 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 28, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 07:45:48 AM
What I find more annoying on that is media inconsistency. If you look at ESPN.com, for example, all the scores are listed in the normal way (visiting team on top, home team on the bottom)–except soccer scores, and the soccer scores are listed backwards even when they're listed together with the other sports. It's distracting and confusing, and there's no real reason to do that just because the Europeans do it that way (ESPN is not a European news outlet and they don't ordinarily use British spellings for things except proper nouns). Shortly before my father died, we turned on a DC United game and the score was listed as other team whatever, DC whatever. My father looked at it and said it didn't look like Audi Field and I said it wasn't–United were on the road–to which he said, "Wait, but they're listed second, so they're the home team." I said, "Apparently for soccer they do the opposite because the hardcore soccer fans complain if they don't." He was unaware of that and found it quite puzzling that they would inexplicably use a different system just for one sport.

Well, when MLS rolled out, they also tried to have a countdown clock instead of doing it the way the rest of the world does it, which was stupid. At some point, if you want to be a part of the "world's game", American exceptionalism needs to be toned down a bit. :)

I agree that using the different clock didn't make sense under the circumstances of that sport. It was something that affected game play and that sort of change is one that requires a great deal of caution. But the order of listing the score has no bearing on gameplay and thus there is no reason to list soccer differently, especially when juxtaposed with all the other sports. That's the main reason for my comment–you have, say, 20 sports scores listed all in a row and you list the soccer scores in the opposite reason from all the others for no reason other than that the Europeans do it that way. That's not much of a reason.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: JayhawkCO on September 28, 2022, 11:37:08 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 11:31:58 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 28, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 07:45:48 AM
What I find more annoying on that is media inconsistency. If you look at ESPN.com, for example, all the scores are listed in the normal way (visiting team on top, home team on the bottom)–except soccer scores, and the soccer scores are listed backwards even when they're listed together with the other sports. It's distracting and confusing, and there's no real reason to do that just because the Europeans do it that way (ESPN is not a European news outlet and they don't ordinarily use British spellings for things except proper nouns). Shortly before my father died, we turned on a DC United game and the score was listed as other team whatever, DC whatever. My father looked at it and said it didn't look like Audi Field and I said it wasn't–United were on the road–to which he said, "Wait, but they're listed second, so they're the home team." I said, "Apparently for soccer they do the opposite because the hardcore soccer fans complain if they don't." He was unaware of that and found it quite puzzling that they would inexplicably use a different system just for one sport.

Well, when MLS rolled out, they also tried to have a countdown clock instead of doing it the way the rest of the world does it, which was stupid. At some point, if you want to be a part of the "world's game", American exceptionalism needs to be toned down a bit. :)

I agree that using the different clock didn't make sense under the circumstances of that sport. It was something that affected game play and that sort of change is one that requires a great deal of caution. But the order of listing the score has no bearing on gameplay and thus there is no reason to list soccer differently, especially when juxtaposed with all the other sports. That's the main reason for my comment–you have, say, 20 sports scores listed all in a row and you list the soccer scores in the opposite reason from all the others for no reason other than that the Europeans do it that way. That's not much of a reason.

I'd argue the other way. I watch plenty of European coverage of soccer and why, just because I'm watching on a U.S. based channel, should it be different? If I'm smart enough to understand the offside rule, I'm smart enough to figure out who's playing at home.  :D
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 28, 2022, 11:39:28 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on September 28, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 07:45:48 AM
What I find more annoying on that is media inconsistency. If you look at ESPN.com, for example, all the scores are listed in the normal way (visiting team on top, home team on the bottom)–except soccer scores, and the soccer scores are listed backwards even when they're listed together with the other sports. It's distracting and confusing, and there's no real reason to do that just because the Europeans do it that way (ESPN is not a European news outlet and they don't ordinarily use British spellings for things except proper nouns). Shortly before my father died, we turned on a DC United game and the score was listed as other team whatever, DC whatever. My father looked at it and said it didn't look like Audi Field and I said it wasn't–United were on the road–to which he said, "Wait, but they're listed second, so they're the home team." I said, "Apparently for soccer they do the opposite because the hardcore soccer fans complain if they don't." He was unaware of that and found it quite puzzling that they would inexplicably use a different system just for one sport.

Well, when MLS rolled out, they also tried to have a countdown clock instead of doing it the way the rest of the world does it, which was stupid. At some point, if you want to be a part of the "world's game", American exceptionalism needs to be toned down a bit. :)

When MLS first started, other leagues still had the referee deciding on his own how much extra time to add and there were lot of accusations of unfairness. Since then, they've gone to having the fourth official posting how much extra time is added and that's much easier for fans to handle.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Henry on September 28, 2022, 12:53:50 PM
Game 163, which is thankfully eliminated with the introduction of a new playoff format.

I never got why MLB needed an extra regular-season game just to determine who would go to the postseason, because the NFL doesn't play an 18th game (or before 2021, it didn't play a 17th), and the NBA and NHL don't play an 83rd game. I find that pointless and stupid, but at least it's had its memorable moments, like the 1978 AL East tiebreaker between the Yankees and Red Sox that began the legend of Bucky Dent.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on September 28, 2022, 07:12:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 07:45:48 AM
What I find more annoying on that is media inconsistency. If you look at ESPN.com, for example, all the scores are listed in the normal way (visiting team on top, home team on the bottom)–except soccer scores, and the soccer scores are listed backwards even when they're listed together with the other sports. It's distracting and confusing, and there's no real reason to do that just because the Europeans do it that way (ESPN is not a European news outlet and they don't ordinarily use British spellings for things except proper nouns). Shortly before my father died, we turned on a DC United game and the score was listed as other team whatever, DC whatever. My father looked at it and said it didn't look like Audi Field and I said it wasn't–United were on the road–to which he said, "Wait, but they're listed second, so they're the home team." I said, "Apparently for soccer they do the opposite because the hardcore soccer fans complain if they don't." He was unaware of that and found it quite puzzling that they would inexplicably use a different system just for one sport.

Home team first makes sense for 90% of the world, so why bother to change it?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on September 28, 2022, 07:31:45 PM
Now, for 1 on 1 sports like boxing, what determines who is listed first? I would expect challenger vs. defending champion to parallel court cases, but it doesn't appear to be that way, and I can't figure out how it's actually done.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: zzcarp on September 29, 2022, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: Henry on September 28, 2022, 12:53:50 PM
Game 163, which is thankfully eliminated with the introduction of a new playoff format.

I never got why MLB needed an extra regular-season game just to determine who would go to the postseason, because the NFL doesn't play an 18th game (or before 2021, it didn't play a 17th), and the NBA and NHL don't play an 83rd game. I find that pointless and stupid, but at least it's had its memorable moments, like the 1978 AL East tiebreaker between the Yankees and Red Sox that began the legend of Bucky Dent.

Funny, the elimination of the possibility of Game 163 is entirely annoying and ahistorical. When you play that many games and end up with a tie record, you should play-in each other for the playoffs. It was more important back when we had a balanced schedule (which will thankfully return next year). Also, the Rockies's game 163 in 2007 was perhaps the most exciting baseball game I saw live.

If I'm in baseball complaint mode, I don't like this nonsense of an extra-inning ghost runner on second-it's too much like the shootout endings of college football for my liking. I'm also pretty annoyed with the elimination of the shift next year as well as limiting pick-off throws and implementing the pitch clock. Manfred could be the worst baseball commissioner of all time.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: skluth on September 30, 2022, 06:16:43 PM
That people have problems with TIE American football games. The game is dangerous enough as it is and to extend the games so one team MIGHT win is stupid. Of course, you need a winner in the playoffs but 60 minutes is enough time to determine a winner. Most of the OT rules, college and pro, are arbitrary and often conflict with the regular game rules. If they're tied, they're tied. If the coaches don't like it, play to win. Especially when you have a choice between going for 1 or 2 after a last second TD.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on September 30, 2022, 06:20:09 PM
Quote from: skluth on September 30, 2022, 06:16:43 PM
That people have problems with TIE American football games. The game is dangerous enough as it is and to extend the games so one team MIGHT win is stupid. Of course, you need a winner in the playoffs but 60 minutes is enough time to determine a winner. Most of the OT rules, college and pro, are arbitrary and often conflict with the regular game rules. If they're tied, they're tied. If the coaches don't like it, play to win. Especially when you have a choice between going for 1 or 2 after a last second TD.

I still like the idea of "the team that was most recently ahead wins" .
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 30, 2022, 06:28:02 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2022, 06:20:09 PM
Quote from: skluth on September 30, 2022, 06:16:43 PM
That people have problems with TIE American football games. The game is dangerous enough as it is and to extend the games so one team MIGHT win is stupid. Of course, you need a winner in the playoffs but 60 minutes is enough time to determine a winner. Most of the OT rules, college and pro, are arbitrary and often conflict with the regular game rules. If they're tied, they're tied. If the coaches don't like it, play to win. Especially when you have a choice between going for 1 or 2 after a last second TD.

I still like the idea of "the team that was most recently ahead wins" .

Well, there hasn't been a 0-0 game after regulation in a very long time so I guess that can work.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 30, 2022, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2022, 06:20:09 PM
I still like the idea of "the team that was most recently ahead wins" .

A team down by 8 with few seconds on the clock has no incentive to try then, since all they can do is lose.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on September 30, 2022, 06:57:22 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 30, 2022, 06:55:22 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2022, 06:20:09 PM
I still like the idea of "the team that was most recently ahead wins" .

A team down by 8 with few seconds on the clock has no incentive to try then, since all they can do is lose.

Which is exactly like it is now for a team down by 9. You're just lowering the threshhold by one point.

You could modify this for soccer as well. In a draw other than 0-0, the team that was most recently ahead gets two points instead of one.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kurumi on September 30, 2022, 08:36:17 PM
My rule is a bit more draconian: the team that gave up the lead (and is IMO more responsible for bringing us ever closer to this detestable tie) gets no points, and the tying team gets a full win's worth, if the game ends that way. That probably works better for hockey (where I envisioned this first, to replace the OTL points-for-losing stuff) since there are more frequent possession changes.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on September 30, 2022, 10:25:21 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on March 15, 2022, 10:23:18 AM
Quote from: Buck87 on March 14, 2022, 08:03:19 PM

You would have loved it back when the regions were West, Midwest, Mideast and East. 


I remember that.  AFAIK, the NCAA was unique in its use of the word "Mideast"  to mean "eastern Midwest" .    Also both terms were used for places well below the Ohio.  A team from Louisiana would have gone to the Mideast regional, a team from Texas to the Midwest.

The conference champions were assigned to specific regions each year, and any independents that got bids were placed in their geographical region. The SEC, OVC, Big 10, and old Missouri Valley Conference all went to the Mideast. The ACC, Ivy League, etc., went to the East. The Midwest got the Big 8, the old Southwest Conference. West got Pac-8, Big Sky, etc. If Notre Dame got a bid, they always went to the Mideast.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CtrlAltDel on September 30, 2022, 10:33:27 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2022, 06:20:09 PM
Quote from: skluth on September 30, 2022, 06:16:43 PM
That people have problems with TIE American football games. The game is dangerous enough as it is and to extend the games so one team MIGHT win is stupid. Of course, you need a winner in the playoffs but 60 minutes is enough time to determine a winner. Most of the OT rules, college and pro, are arbitrary and often conflict with the regular game rules. If they're tied, they're tied. If the coaches don't like it, play to win. Especially when you have a choice between going for 1 or 2 after a last second TD.

I still like the idea of "the team that was most recently ahead wins" .

I prefer the idea of "the team that has the most points wins" and if you don't score enough points in the time allotted, you don't deserve the win. But I'm old school.

Also, not that anyone asked, I would require the whole ball to pass through the plane to score a touchdown.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: rlb2024 on September 30, 2022, 10:47:21 PM
Quote from: Bruce on September 28, 2022, 07:12:56 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 07:45:48 AM
What I find more annoying on that is media inconsistency. If you look at ESPN.com, for example, all the scores are listed in the normal way (visiting team on top, home team on the bottom)–except soccer scores, and the soccer scores are listed backwards even when they're listed together with the other sports. It's distracting and confusing, and there's no real reason to do that just because the Europeans do it that way (ESPN is not a European news outlet and they don't ordinarily use British spellings for things except proper nouns). Shortly before my father died, we turned on a DC United game and the score was listed as other team whatever, DC whatever. My father looked at it and said it didn't look like Audi Field and I said it wasn't–United were on the road–to which he said, "Wait, but they're listed second, so they're the home team." I said, "Apparently for soccer they do the opposite because the hardcore soccer fans complain if they don't." He was unaware of that and found it quite puzzling that they would inexplicably use a different system just for one sport.

Home team first makes sense for 90% of the world, so why bother to change it?
Speaking of soccer, what annoys me is that high school soccer has a different set of rules from FIFA.  The organization governing high school soccer in most US states (NFHS) gets so nit-picky that they even define uniform colors (home team must wear solid white jerseys and socks, no stripes are allowed).  They say it is to help the referees.  Well, as a former soccer referee if I couldn't tell the difference between a blue jersey and a yellow jersey – or a white jersey with a red stripe on it – I shouldn't be refereeing high school soccer.  Also, shin guards must be stamped with the high school-approving organization or they are not allowed.  And a count-down clock must be used as well (college soccer is like that too, which sucks).  Crazy.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on October 01, 2022, 08:15:35 AM
Quote from: rlb2024 on September 30, 2022, 10:47:21 PM
And a count-down clock must be used as well (college soccer is like that too, which sucks).  Crazy.
When my nephew played HS soccer 20 years ago in Wisconsin, the clocks counted up.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 01, 2022, 09:34:00 AM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on September 30, 2022, 10:33:27 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2022, 06:20:09 PM
Quote from: skluth on September 30, 2022, 06:16:43 PM
That people have problems with TIE American football games. The game is dangerous enough as it is and to extend the games so one team MIGHT win is stupid. Of course, you need a winner in the playoffs but 60 minutes is enough time to determine a winner. Most of the OT rules, college and pro, are arbitrary and often conflict with the regular game rules. If they're tied, they're tied. If the coaches don't like it, play to win. Especially when you have a choice between going for 1 or 2 after a last second TD.

I still like the idea of "the team that was most recently ahead wins" .

I prefer the idea of "the team that has the most points wins" and if you don't score enough points in the time allotted, you don't deserve the win. But I'm old school.

Also, not that anyone asked, I would require the whole ball to pass through the plane to score a touchdown.

My soccer idea could apply to football. If you end regulation time with the most points, you get 3 points for a win and the other team gets zero. If the game ends tied at a score other than zero, the team that was last ahead gets 2 points for the tie and the other team gets 1 point. That puts some serious strategy into the game if you are down by 7 and score a touchdown. Kick the PAT for 1 point, or go for two to try and get 3 points?

Games tied at zero give both teams 1 point.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on October 01, 2022, 05:16:54 PM
In college football, why is the "C" for the center judge in a different font than the letters for the other officials?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on October 02, 2022, 07:49:44 AM
Minor things that annoy you-sports edition

People who don't accept overtime
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 02, 2022, 07:49:44 AM
Minor things that annoy you-sports edition

People who don't accept overtime

Overtime is fine in other sports, but in football it starts to become a health/safety issue.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on October 02, 2022, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 02, 2022, 07:49:44 AM
Minor things that annoy you-sports edition

People who don't accept overtime

Overtime is fine in other sports, but in football it starts to become a health/safety issue.
go watch a sport without contact then
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2022, 11:39:54 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 02, 2022, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 02, 2022, 07:49:44 AM
Minor things that annoy you-sports edition

People who don't accept overtime

Overtime is fine in other sports, but in football it starts to become a health/safety issue.
go watch a sport without contact then

That's exactly what people will start to do when the league's best players are missing the playoffs because of injuries sustained during regular season overtime.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on October 03, 2022, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
Overtime is fine in other sports, but in football it starts to become a health/safety issue.

Football is a health/safety issue.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on October 15, 2022, 09:10:41 PM
Something that's starting to bother me more is how spread out the NFL's bye weeks are. I'd like to see them consolidated to four weeks with eight teams on bye per week. With an 18-week season, that would ideally be weeks 8-11 (late October-mid November).

In addition to having having a consistent number of bye teams per week, affecting less of the season, and being easier to keep track of, this would also make it more fair, as it would cap the number of consecutive games without a bye at 10 (not including playoffs). Right now it feels like the season is barely getting started - no need to rush some teams into the byes this early and then play 12 or 13 games in a row, while others extend into December before they get a bye when they have a lot more information about their season and may be getting ready for a playoff push by that time.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on October 15, 2022, 10:14:04 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2022, 11:39:54 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 02, 2022, 11:10:30 AM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
Quote from: Alps on October 02, 2022, 07:49:44 AM
Minor things that annoy you-sports edition

People who don't accept overtime

Overtime is fine in other sports, but in football it starts to become a health/safety issue.
go watch a sport without contact then

That's exactly what people will start to do when the league's best players are missing the playoffs because of injuries sustained during regular season overtime.

So if the best player get injured in the 3rd quarter the fans will still tune in to the playoffs?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on November 18, 2022, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 03, 2022, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
Overtime is fine in other sports, but in football it starts to become a health/safety issue.

Football is a health/safety issue.
Look up the average life expectancy of an NFL Athlete vs the general US populace. NFL Football literally takes years off your life

The players are compensated well, but there is a cost
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: US 89 on November 20, 2022, 05:38:03 PM
Quote from: webny99 on October 15, 2022, 09:10:41 PM
Something that's starting to bother me more is how spread out the NFL's bye weeks are. I'd like to see them consolidated to four weeks with eight teams on bye per week. With an 18-week season, that would ideally be weeks 8-11 (late October-mid November).

In addition to having having a consistent number of bye teams per week, affecting less of the season, and being easier to keep track of, this would also make it more fair, as it would cap the number of consecutive games without a bye at 10 (not including playoffs). Right now it feels like the season is barely getting started - no need to rush some teams into the byes this early and then play 12 or 13 games in a row, while others extend into December before they get a bye when they have a lot more information about their season and may be getting ready for a playoff push by that time.

It would also make fantasy leagues far more annoying to manage, since it's far more likely you have lots of players on byes in the same week.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on November 20, 2022, 05:42:15 PM
If I was in charge I would give every team the same bye week. Just take a week off in the middle of the season, kinda like the all-star break in other sports but without the all-star festivities.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 20, 2022, 05:49:21 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 18, 2022, 07:28:05 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 03, 2022, 02:10:15 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 02, 2022, 10:15:13 AM
Overtime is fine in other sports, but in football it starts to become a health/safety issue.

Football is a health/safety issue.
Look up the average life expectancy of an NFL Athlete vs the general US populace. NFL Football literally takes years off your life

The players are compensated well, but there is a cost

I always thought it was interesting to look at that shortened life expectancy versus potential earned income.  Speaking for myself I would much rather have a shorter life and have the same potential earnings of a professional athlete.  From what I've observed from the people around me it seems as though there is a massive decline in quality of life anyways past the age of 60 for most.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on November 20, 2022, 07:19:50 PM
Quote from: US 89 on November 20, 2022, 05:38:03 PM
Quote from: webny99 on October 15, 2022, 09:10:41 PM
Something that's starting to bother me more is how spread out the NFL's bye weeks are. I'd like to see them consolidated to four weeks with eight teams on bye per week. With an 18-week season, that would ideally be weeks 8-11 (late October-mid November).

In addition to having having a consistent number of bye teams per week, affecting less of the season, and being easier to keep track of, this would also make it more fair, as it would cap the number of consecutive games without a bye at 10 (not including playoffs). Right now it feels like the season is barely getting started - no need to rush some teams into the byes this early and then play 12 or 13 games in a row, while others extend into December before they get a bye when they have a lot more information about their season and may be getting ready for a playoff push by that time.

It would also make fantasy leagues far more annoying to manage, since it's far more likely you have lots of players on byes in the same week.

I'm not into fantasy, so to me it's just that. But even if it's more annoying for those four weeks, it also doesn't last nearly as long, which is a big positive. It's crazy that byes started almost two months ago and we've still got three more weeks to go before all teams have had their bye (causing uneven records for that whole timeframe too).


Quote from: thspfc on November 20, 2022, 05:42:15 PM
If I was in charge I would give every team the same bye week. Just take a week off in the middle of the season, kinda like the all-star break in other sports but without the all-star festivities.

I'd be OK with that too, but I don't think the league would ever go for it. Spreading them across four weeks would still leave 12 games per week, which is noticeable but it would still feel like a normal week.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:57:16 PM
Regular-season overtime. Yes, even in base- and basketball.

Blatant unpenalized timewasting by players (and, in college football, officials too).

Oversized playoffs.

Regular-season interleague play.

The DH.

Divisions where they needn't exist.

Inconsistent officiating.

Power-tripping officials.

Stupid rules.

Stupid tiebreaking criteria.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hbelkins on December 03, 2022, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:57:16 PM
Regular-season overtime. Yes, even in base- and basketball.

I would take the opposite position and say regular-season ties in any sport.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Alps on December 04, 2022, 12:55:10 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 03, 2022, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:57:16 PM
Regular-season overtime. Yes, even in base- and basketball.

I would take the opposite position and say regular-season ties in any sport.
we agree on something
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2022, 01:08:19 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 04, 2022, 12:55:10 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 03, 2022, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:57:16 PM
Regular-season overtime. Yes, even in base- and basketball.

I would take the opposite position and say regular-season ties in any sport.
we agree on something

The regular season NHL tie was still better than giving 1 point for overtime or shootout loss.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Halian on December 04, 2022, 04:38:52 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2022, 01:08:19 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 04, 2022, 12:55:10 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on December 03, 2022, 08:34:51 PM
Quote from: Halian on December 03, 2022, 03:57:16 PM
Regular-season overtime. Yes, even in base- and basketball.
I would take the opposite position and say regular-season ties in any sport.
we agree on something
The regular season NHL tie was still better than giving 1 point for overtime or shootout loss.
Strong agree.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ilpt4u on December 04, 2022, 12:08:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 04, 2022, 01:08:19 AM
The regular season NHL tie was still better than giving 1 point for overtime or shootout loss.
I'd add the NCAA CFB Tie was a much more legitimate outcome than the current OT rules (which also applies to NHL Hockey).

When OT rules are created to name a Winner and Loser just so there is always a Winner and a Loser, without regard to the integrity of the game just played to a Draw, the "Tie"  result is just better.

And in the case of American Football, (almost) all Regulation Ties have plenty of opportunities for each competing team to play for a Win/Loss instead of a Tie, thanks mainly to the FGvsTD and 1pt After TD vs 2pt After TD tries
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: skluth on December 04, 2022, 12:37:12 PM
Quote from: thspfc on November 20, 2022, 05:42:15 PM
If I was in charge I would give every team the same bye week. Just take a week off in the middle of the season, kinda like the all-star break in other sports but without the all-star festivities.

Are you insane? Do you honestly think the NFL owners are going to give up all that ad revenue? Not that I think your idea is bad. But the common break is important for the all-star festivities. Maybe they could have a skills competition like the home run derby so they can televise something that Sunday. Anything would beat the NFL All Star Game.

Quote from: webny99 on October 15, 2022, 09:10:41 PM
Something that's starting to bother me more is how spread out the NFL's bye weeks are. I'd like to see them consolidated to four weeks with eight teams on bye per week. With an 18-week season, that would ideally be weeks 8-11 (late October-mid November).


Personally, I like this idea a lot. My team, the Packers, have their bye week next week which is way too late. Not that it matters this year considering their record.

I'm also annoyed by the too-early NFL trade deadline. The trade deadline should be the Tuesday after Thanksgiving.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on December 05, 2022, 01:45:07 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 28, 2022, 12:53:50 PM
Game 163, which is thankfully eliminated with the introduction of a new playoff format.

I never got why MLB needed an extra regular-season game just to determine who would go to the postseason, because the NFL doesn't play an 18th game (or before 2021, it didn't play a 17th), and the NBA and NHL don't play an 83rd game. I find that pointless and stupid, but at least it's had its memorable moments, like the 1978 AL East tiebreaker between the Yankees and Red Sox that began the legend of Bucky Dent.

You are probably the only outside observer in existence who did not like Game 163. What wasn't to like? A tiebreaker being decided on the field rather than from a list was unique.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: GaryV on December 05, 2022, 08:08:33 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 28, 2022, 12:53:50 PM
I never got why MLB needed an extra regular-season game just to determine who would go to the postseason,
Maybe you'd prefer a World Cup type tiebreaker? Run differential (runs scored minus runs allowed) and then runs scored?

I think the reason MLB can have an extra game is because the physical demands of the game allow it. Baseball is the only sport that has double headers, as far as I know. They can have an extra game without killing the players.

I don't say this to denigrate the athletes in baseball. I couldn't do anything like what they do. Just that their recovery time is shorter than other games.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: 1995hoo on December 05, 2022, 08:17:37 AM
The National League used to use a best-of-three tiebreaker. It happened four times, the most famous probably being in 1951 between the Brooklyn Dodgers and the New York Giants. They changed to a single game in 1969 as part of splitting into two divisions.

The tiebreakers I think are a bit dumb are some of the things soccer uses. There's no reason why head-to-head record shouldn't be the first tiebreaker used.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on December 08, 2022, 01:23:48 PM
Quote from: GaryV on December 05, 2022, 08:08:33 AM
Quote from: Henry on September 28, 2022, 12:53:50 PM
I never got why MLB needed an extra regular-season game just to determine who would go to the postseason,
Maybe you'd prefer a World Cup type tiebreaker? Run differential (runs scored minus runs allowed) and then runs scored?

Or maybe "fair play" points (the team with fewer personnel ejections, or the team with the fewer number of aggregate games missed due to suspensions for on-field incidents [i.e. any steroid suspensions do not count])...
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CtrlAltDel on December 08, 2022, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2022, 08:17:37 AM
The tiebreakers I think are a bit dumb are some of the things soccer uses. There's no reason why head-to-head record shouldn't be the first tiebreaker used.

I don't know if this is the reason behind it, but by putting goal differential first, it seems to keep more teams alive longer, or in a wider variety of scenarios, than does going right to head to head.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on December 08, 2022, 02:19:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2022, 08:17:37 AM
The tiebreakers I think are a bit dumb are some of the things soccer uses. There's no reason why head-to-head record shouldn't be the first tiebreaker used.

All tiebreakers have their faults.

Personally, the strength of schedule is the worst, because it varies based on the other teams' records as they play throughout the season. Those individual games vary based on weather, injuries and other factors.  Too many variables to make that a worthwhile tiebreaker.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on December 08, 2022, 05:13:21 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 08, 2022, 02:19:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2022, 08:17:37 AM
The tiebreakers I think are a bit dumb are some of the things soccer uses. There's no reason why head-to-head record shouldn't be the first tiebreaker used.

All tiebreakers have their faults.

Personally, the strength of schedule is the worst, because it varies based on the other teams' records as they play throughout the season. Those individual games vary based on weather, injuries and other factors.  Too many variables to make that a worthwhile tiebreaker.

Although you make good points, I always did like strength of schedule.  In college football, it was a way to discourage frontloading your non-conference schedule with teams that visit your place to receive a 60-0 beatdown, but in the NFL, I always thought it was a good test of character.  If you are Team X and Team X is far greater than Team Y, then Team Y beat Team A, then why did Team X struggle so much against Team A?  I get what you are saying by weather, rest and other components, but I have always thought if you think of yourself as a superior team, then why, even when you win, did it take a last second field goal to beat a team that didn't make the playoffs?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Halian on January 02, 2023, 07:50:15 AM
The first tiebreaker in tournament Magic: The Gathering is opponents' aggregate winning percentage; I wonder if that might could work for the five major sports.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: amroad17 on January 02, 2023, 02:56:32 PM
^ Isn't that the same as strength of schedule?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on January 13, 2023, 10:26:53 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 08, 2022, 02:19:59 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on December 05, 2022, 08:17:37 AM
The tiebreakers I think are a bit dumb are some of the things soccer uses. There's no reason why head-to-head record shouldn't be the first tiebreaker used.

All tiebreakers have their faults.

Personally, the strength of schedule is the worst, because it varies based on the other teams' records as they play throughout the season. Those individual games vary based on weather, injuries and other factors.  Too many variables to make that a worthwhile tiebreaker.
Common opponents is worse IMO. That has very little to no bearing on how good a team is relative to another team with the same record. Strength of schedule at least shows that team A is slightly more deserving than team B because they had the same record while playing a harder schedule.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jp the roadgeek on January 13, 2023, 10:51:26 PM
Quote from: Halian on January 02, 2023, 07:50:15 AM
The first tiebreaker in tournament Magic: The Gathering is opponents' aggregate winning percentage; I wonder if that might could work for the five major sports.

Well, if a team has a better winning percentage (seeing that 99.999% of the time all teams play the same number of games), there's no tie to break. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: dvferyance on February 13, 2023, 04:43:58 PM
That California has 5 baseball teams and the NYC area has 3 hockey teams.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on February 13, 2023, 04:48:52 PM
California has 1/8 of the US population. 4 would be typical, so 5 isn't too far out of the ordinary.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: abefroman329 on February 13, 2023, 04:51:08 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on February 13, 2023, 04:43:58 PM
That California has 5 baseball teams and the NYC area has 3 hockey teams.
I find it far more annoying that Florida has two NHL teams than NYC's three.

And, if it helps, I'd say the As are on borrowed time in Oakland.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 13, 2023, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 07:45:48 AM
What I find more annoying on that is media inconsistency. If you look at ESPN.com, for example, all the scores are listed in the normal way (visiting team on top, home team on the bottom)–except soccer scores, and the soccer scores are listed backwards even when they're listed together with the other sports. It's distracting and confusing, and there's no real reason to do that just because the Europeans do it that way (ESPN is not a European news outlet and they don't ordinarily use British spellings for things except proper nouns). Shortly before my father died, we turned on a DC United game and the score was listed as other team whatever, DC whatever. My father looked at it and said it didn't look like Audi Field and I said it wasn't–United were on the road–to which he said, "Wait, but they're listed second, so they're the home team." I said, "Apparently for soccer they do the opposite because the hardcore soccer fans complain if they don't." He was unaware of that and found it quite puzzling that they would inexplicably use a different system just for one sport.

Well with soccer the clock that does not countdown and you never know when the game will actually end.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SectorZ on February 13, 2023, 05:18:00 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 13, 2023, 04:48:52 PM
California has 1/8 of the US population. 4 would be typical, so 5 isn't too far out of the ordinary.

That, and they'll probably down to 4 soon anyways.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on February 17, 2023, 04:25:19 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 13, 2023, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 07:45:48 AM
What I find more annoying on that is media inconsistency. If you look at ESPN.com, for example, all the scores are listed in the normal way (visiting team on top, home team on the bottom)–except soccer scores, and the soccer scores are listed backwards even when they're listed together with the other sports. It's distracting and confusing, and there's no real reason to do that just because the Europeans do it that way (ESPN is not a European news outlet and they don't ordinarily use British spellings for things except proper nouns). Shortly before my father died, we turned on a DC United game and the score was listed as other team whatever, DC whatever. My father looked at it and said it didn't look like Audi Field and I said it wasn't–United were on the road–to which he said, "Wait, but they're listed second, so they're the home team." I said, "Apparently for soccer they do the opposite because the hardcore soccer fans complain if they don't." He was unaware of that and found it quite puzzling that they would inexplicably use a different system just for one sport.

Well with soccer the clock that does not countdown and you never know when the game will actually end.

The game ends after roughly 90 minutes of play. Until the 2022 World Cup, stoppage time was rarely over 5 minutes. A 2-hour block is all I need to schedule my day around (unless it's a knockout game, in which case there's 30+ minutes to add on).

Baseball needs that kind of consistency.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 17, 2023, 09:31:41 AM
Quote from: Bruce on February 17, 2023, 04:25:19 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 13, 2023, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 07:45:48 AM
What I find more annoying on that is media inconsistency. If you look at ESPN.com, for example, all the scores are listed in the normal way (visiting team on top, home team on the bottom)–except soccer scores, and the soccer scores are listed backwards even when they're listed together with the other sports. It's distracting and confusing, and there's no real reason to do that just because the Europeans do it that way (ESPN is not a European news outlet and they don't ordinarily use British spellings for things except proper nouns). Shortly before my father died, we turned on a DC United game and the score was listed as other team whatever, DC whatever. My father looked at it and said it didn't look like Audi Field and I said it wasn't–United were on the road–to which he said, "Wait, but they're listed second, so they're the home team." I said, "Apparently for soccer they do the opposite because the hardcore soccer fans complain if they don't." He was unaware of that and found it quite puzzling that they would inexplicably use a different system just for one sport.

Well with soccer the clock that does not countdown and you never know when the game will actually end.

The game ends after roughly 90 minutes of play. Until the 2022 World Cup, stoppage time was rarely over 5 minutes. A 2-hour block is all I need to schedule my day around (unless it's a knockout game, in which case there's 30+ minutes to add on).

Baseball needs that kind of consistency.

Tough to do in a sport without a clock. The timer between pitches should help, unless it becomes an issue who to penalitize if they cant figure out who to attribute the delay to, and does the penalty restart the clock, adding more time? Outside of that, there's not too much that can be controlled timing wise. If there's a lot of pitches, that increases time. Runners on base emlpyee a different strategy that takes time. Lots of hits in an inning adds to time. Lots of variables.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 17, 2023, 10:49:47 AM
Which is why baseball is largely unwatchable for me anymore.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 01:43:02 PM
Baseball needs to end random mid inning pitching changes for the casual fan to ever be more excited. The games boring already without random mid inning mound visits. Also pitchers need to hurry the hell up with their pitches I don't have all day.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ethanhopkin14 on February 17, 2023, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 01:43:02 PM
Baseball needs to end random mid inning pitching changes for the casual fan to ever be more excited. The games boring already without random mid inning mound visits. Also pitchers need to hurry the hell up with their pitches I don't have all day.

So when a pitcher is gassing out, the manager is just supposed to leave him in and fail?

There was nothing wrong with baseball.  It was fine the way it was.  Everyone just got shorter attention spans.  Don't like it?  Don't watch it. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on February 17, 2023, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 01:43:02 PM
Baseball needs to end random mid inning pitching changes for the casual fan to ever be more excited. The games boring already without random mid inning mound visits. Also pitchers need to hurry the hell up with their pitches I don't have all day.

There is a new rule as of a couple years ago that a pitcher can't be replaced mid-inning unless he's faced at least three batters, and a pitch clock is being implemented this year.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 04:31:24 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on February 17, 2023, 03:53:55 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 01:43:02 PM
Baseball needs to end random mid inning pitching changes for the casual fan to ever be more excited. The games boring already without random mid inning mound visits. Also pitchers need to hurry the hell up with their pitches I don't have all day.

There is a new rule as of a couple years ago that a pitcher can't be replaced mid-inning unless he's faced at least three batters, and a pitch clock is being implemented this year.
I've some people argue against a pitch clock as it would make pitchers worse. I actually think it's a good thing if baseball pitchers are not as good. The sport needs more action. It's why the MLB gained in popularity during the steroids era.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 17, 2023, 04:36:28 PM
Quote from: Bruce on February 17, 2023, 04:25:19 AM
Quote from: texaskdog on February 13, 2023, 04:53:37 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2022, 07:45:48 AM
What I find more annoying on that is media inconsistency. If you look at ESPN.com, for example, all the scores are listed in the normal way (visiting team on top, home team on the bottom)–except soccer scores, and the soccer scores are listed backwards even when they're listed together with the other sports. It's distracting and confusing, and there's no real reason to do that just because the Europeans do it that way (ESPN is not a European news outlet and they don't ordinarily use British spellings for things except proper nouns). Shortly before my father died, we turned on a DC United game and the score was listed as other team whatever, DC whatever. My father looked at it and said it didn't look like Audi Field and I said it wasn't–United were on the road–to which he said, "Wait, but they're listed second, so they're the home team." I said, "Apparently for soccer they do the opposite because the hardcore soccer fans complain if they don't." He was unaware of that and found it quite puzzling that they would inexplicably use a different system just for one sport.

Well with soccer the clock that does not countdown and you never know when the game will actually end.

The game ends after roughly 90 minutes of play. Until the 2022 World Cup, stoppage time was rarely over 5 minutes. A 2-hour block is all I need to schedule my day around (unless it's a knockout game, in which case there's 30+ minutes to add on).

Baseball needs that kind of consistency.

But why can't the clock just count down and the added time be added?  NFL could never do this everyone would accuse the refs of rigging.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 17, 2023, 04:37:49 PM
Quote from: ethanhopkin14 on February 17, 2023, 02:43:11 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on February 17, 2023, 01:43:02 PM
Baseball needs to end random mid inning pitching changes for the casual fan to ever be more excited. The games boring already without random mid inning mound visits. Also pitchers need to hurry the hell up with their pitches I don't have all day.



So when a pitcher is gassing out, the manager is just supposed to leave him in and fail?

There was nothing wrong with baseball.  It was fine the way it was.  Everyone just got shorter attention spans.  Don't like it?  Don't watch it. 

True, I tuned out years ago.  I like things like pitch clocks but the random runner on 2nd nonsense and no shifting is ridiculous.  Don't like shifting?  hit to the other side. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: texaskdog on February 17, 2023, 04:38:56 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on February 17, 2023, 10:49:47 AM
Which is why baseball is largely unwatchable for me anymore.

I was a huge fan 1979-1986.  It hasnt evolved it has devolved.  Crazy to think how good players were back in the day and how it's such a fading sport now.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 02, 2024, 01:06:49 AM
People who think those who bet on sports should be given some kind of special consideration because they put money down on a game.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Scott5114 on January 02, 2024, 02:25:32 AM
I came across the term "pick six" during a football game a few days ago and its existence irritates me. The phrase "pick six" (or PK6 if you're short on space) was first used in horse racing; it is a bet where you pick the winners of six consecutive races. A football pick six has nothing to do with picking six of anything, it's just an interception returned for a touchdown. Just call it that, or if you're going to come up with a cute term for it, at least have the good sense to pick a term that's not already being used by another sport for something totally unrelated.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on January 02, 2024, 07:14:33 AM
An upwards section near the end of a race. And more so if I'm tired and wanting to reach the finish.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tmoore952 on January 03, 2024, 11:45:32 AM
Living in the Washington Capitals normal broadcast area and not being able to watch (at least) the last two Capitals-Penguins game because of ESPN+ exclusive broadcast rights for some games.

It's at the point where I was not surprised when I was looking for that particular game last night on my cable system (my local station, ESPN, and TBS) and I couldn't find it.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on January 03, 2024, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on January 03, 2024, 11:45:32 AM
ESPN+ exclusive broadcast rights

Welcome to the new world of streaming.  Streaming is rat poison.  Big Media is realizing that it made a huge mistake, and that all these streamers lose money, and are trying to fix their mistake with sports.  Which results in one sport getting split up among maybe a half-dozen outlets, most of which do not carry anything else you want.  To follow your local NHL team, just to watch every game like a true fan wants, you need ESPN+, real ESPN (not sold as streaming only, must have cable, etc.), your local RSN (Monumental Sports in your case), TNT (or the pay extra TNT add on to Max), NHL Network, and ABC.  Baseball requires ESPN, ESPN+, FS1, Fox, Peacock, Apple, your local RSN, MLB Network, and if your team is the Yankees, also Prime. 

All of which, when not showing sports, show things most people in the sports demographic don't want.  But you have to pay for the whole outlet.

Rat poison.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tmoore952 on January 03, 2024, 03:11:50 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 03, 2024, 01:54:47 PM
Quote from: tmoore952 on January 03, 2024, 11:45:32 AM
ESPN+ exclusive broadcast rights

Welcome to the new world of streaming.  Streaming is rat poison.  Big Media is realizing that it made a huge mistake, and that all these streamers lose money, and are trying to fix their mistake with sports.  Which results in one sport getting split up among maybe a half-dozen outlets, most of which do not carry anything else you want.  To follow your local NHL team, just to watch every game like a true fan wants, you need ESPN+, real ESPN (not sold as streaming only, must have cable, etc.), your local RSN (Monumental Sports in your case), TNT (or the pay extra TNT add on to Max), NHL Network, and ABC.  Baseball requires ESPN, ESPN+, FS1, Fox, Peacock, Apple, your local RSN, MLB Network, and if your team is the Yankees, also Prime. 

All of which, when not showing sports, show things most people in the sports demographic don't want.  But you have to pay for the whole outlet.

Rat poison.
They can have it. I'll go back to listening on the radio, like I did 50 years ago.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on January 03, 2024, 05:40:55 PM
Just become a fan of an MLS team. There's one streaming service (Apple's) and that's it. You can also watch the occasional game on Fox but the same game is still on Apple's platform.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 04, 2024, 10:09:56 AM
Quote from: Bruce on January 03, 2024, 05:40:55 PM
If you can't get what you want, then just want something else instead.

Edited for clarity.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ran4sh on January 04, 2024, 01:49:57 PM
For similar reasons, one of the things that annoys me is the part of the Atlanta United FC fanbase that isn't fans of other Atlanta sports teams. Sure, the foreign population that comes from countries where football (soccer) is popular and American sports are not, that makes sense. But the Americans that like football (soccer) and dislike traditional American sports, are annoying.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: GaryV on January 04, 2024, 01:54:45 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 04, 2024, 01:49:57 PM
For similar reasons, one of the things that annoys me is the part of the Atlanta United FC fanbase that isn't fans of other Atlanta sports teams. Sure, the foreign population that comes from countries where football (soccer) is popular and American sports are not, that makes sense. But the Americans that like football (soccer) and dislike traditional American sports, are annoying.

This makes no sense. I like baseball and football somewhat. I don't like basketball at all, and never got into hockey.

Your reasoning says that I should follow the Red Wings and (heaven forbid) the Pistons, just because sometimes I pay attention to the Lions or Tigers?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 04, 2024, 02:16:06 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 04, 2024, 01:49:57 PM
But the Americans that like football (soccer) and dislike traditional American sports, are annoying.

How are they annoying?  What does it matter to you if they don't watch a particular sport?

I personally think baseball and American football are two of the most boring sports out there, because of all the standing around doing nothing.  Well, honestly, though, soccer isn't that far down the list...
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on January 04, 2024, 02:42:52 PM
I got over the feuding between different sports fandoms years ago. Who cares what sports someone likes?

The only exception to that is baseball fans who don't actually seem to like baseball, but rather the state of the world when baseball was at its peak. That's my only idea as to why they hate the pitch clock.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tmoore952 on January 04, 2024, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: thspfc on January 04, 2024, 02:42:52 PM
I got over the feuding between different sports fandoms years ago. Who cares what sports someone likes?

The only exception to that is baseball fans who don't actually seem to like baseball, but rather the state of the world when baseball was at its peak. That's my only idea as to why they hate the pitch clock.

I remember going to a 9-inning MLB baseball game in 1978 that took 3 hours. That was a LONG time for a baseball game back then.
As a Phillies fan, with Jim Kaat and Steve Carlton pitching in their rotation, there were many 9-inning games I remember from then that took under 2 hours.

By 40 years later, a 9-inning game UNDER three hours was rare.

So I don't quite get the people who don't like the pitch clock if they are nostalgic for the past. Here's some nostalgia for them --  when baseball was at its peak (arguably 1950s-1970s), most games only took about 2 hours.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ran4sh on January 05, 2024, 03:29:31 PM
Quote from: GaryV on January 04, 2024, 01:54:45 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 04, 2024, 01:49:57 PM
For similar reasons, one of the things that annoys me is the part of the Atlanta United FC fanbase that isn't fans of other Atlanta sports teams. Sure, the foreign population that comes from countries where football (soccer) is popular and American sports are not, that makes sense. But the Americans that like football (soccer) and dislike traditional American sports, are annoying.

This makes no sense. I like baseball and football somewhat. I don't like basketball at all, and never got into hockey.

Your reasoning says that I should follow the Red Wings and (heaven forbid) the Pistons, just because sometimes I pay attention to the Lions or Tigers?

I don't mean individual fans. Obviously individuals have preferences. I'm referring to the fact that for a large part of the Atlanta United FC fanbase, they dislike or don't care about other sports, and they act like they're better than the fans that *are* fans of the Braves, Hawks, etc.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 05, 2024, 03:34:14 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 05, 2024, 03:29:31 PM
I don't mean individual fans. Obviously individuals have preferences. I'm referring to the fact that for a large part of the Atlanta United FC fanbase, they dislike or don't care about other sports,

Those are individual fans—just, apparently, a lot of them.

Quote from: ran4sh on January 05, 2024, 03:29:31 PM
and they act like they're better than the fans that *are* fans of the Braves, Hawks, etc.

Yes, that is annoying.  Then again, it does seem that a lot of soccer fans here in the USA have a superiority complex.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 05, 2024, 06:23:17 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 05, 2024, 03:34:14 PM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 05, 2024, 03:29:31 PM
I don't mean individual fans. Obviously individuals have preferences. I'm referring to the fact that for a large part of the Atlanta United FC fanbase, they dislike or don't care about other sports,

Those are individual fans—just, apparently, a lot of them.

Quote from: ran4sh on January 05, 2024, 03:29:31 PM
and they act like they're better than the fans that *are* fans of the Braves, Hawks, etc.

Yes, that is annoying.  Then again, it does seem that a lot of soccer fans here in the USA have a superiority complex.
Meh, I meet people all over the place that always think their favorite team sport is objectively better than some other sport (barbaric / boring / weird / low-scoring / has ties / monotonous) and it's certainly not just limited to soccer fans.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tmoore952 on January 06, 2024, 01:07:45 PM
With ESPN signing a deal Thursday to broadcast NCAA sports until sometime in the 2030s, I guess I will continue to have Around the Horn and Pardon the interruption evening (8-11 PM EST) broadcasts interrupted by the beginning of NCAA games for the remainder of my working career.

Ironically (see last paragraph), it happened again on Thursday, which is why it is on my mind.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on January 07, 2024, 04:01:34 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 05, 2024, 03:34:14 PM
Yes, that is annoying.  Then again, it does seem that a lot of soccer fans here in the USA have a superiority complex.

It's a response to being antagonized by fans of other sports in America, fans of soccer outside America, and fans of soccer within America who refuse to watch the domestic leagues.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ran4sh on January 07, 2024, 08:28:25 PM
I knew someone would attempt to defend it.

(And why should an American soccer fan watch MLS, other than actually attending the game in person? Unlike the other American sports leagues, MLS doesn't have the world's best football/soccer players. So of course Americans who are used to watching the best basketball, best hockey, etc will watch foreign leagues to watch the best soccer.)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on January 08, 2024, 12:55:51 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 07, 2024, 08:28:25 PM
I knew someone would attempt to defend it.

(And why should an American soccer fan watch MLS, other than actually attending the game in person? Unlike the other American sports leagues, MLS doesn't have the world's best football/soccer players. So of course Americans who are used to watching the best basketball, best hockey, etc will watch foreign leagues to watch the best soccer.)

Because I like watching things at normal times of the day and can feel a real connection to Seattle vs. Austin more than Bolton vs. Burnley. By your logic, we should stop watching anything in the minor leagues or in college sports because it's not "the best". Heck, just scrap everything and only watch the World Cup.

(By the way, the Sounders and another US team will be playing for the 2025 Club World Cup, against the other continental champions, which will be far more exciting than watching the same bloated Euro superteams play for the 111th time this year.)

Another big incentive: as MLS improves, so does the US national team. Without a strong domestic league and academies to raise talent, the team will not be able to make deep runs into the World Cup. Much of the 2022 roster originated from MLS academies and were allowed to incubate at home as young players before moving to Europe (or even returning).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 08, 2024, 10:53:43 AM
Quote from: Bruce on January 08, 2024, 12:55:51 AM

Quote from: ran4sh on January 07, 2024, 08:28:25 PM
And why should an American soccer fan ...

Because I like ...

What you like doesn't set the bar.

Quote from: Bruce on January 08, 2024, 12:55:51 AM
By your logic, we should stop watching anything in the minor leagues or in college sports because it's not "the best".

I know plenty of football fans who only watch the NFL, not college.  And plenty of baseball fans who only watch the majors, not the minors.  There's nothing wrong with that, as far as I'm concerned.  And I know basketball fans who only watch college, not NBA, which is also perfectly fine.  People can be fans of whatever they're interested in.

Personally, I've only ever watched part of one Army–Navy football game, and that's only because another customer at Sport Clips requested it while I was waiting for my sons to get their hair cut;  frankly, it was bad football, with terrible mistakes, not fun to watch.  Everyone else in that Sport Clips—staff and customers alike—was glad when he left, so they could put on a game they actually wanted to watch.  That didn't make them inferior football fans.

Quote from: Bruce on January 08, 2024, 12:55:51 AM
Another big incentive: as MLS improves, so does the US national team. Without a strong domestic league and academies to raise talent, the team will not be able to make deep runs into the World Cup. Much of the 2022 roster originated from MLS academies and were allowed to incubate at home as young players before moving to Europe (or even returning).

So, when it comes to that, what does it matter if I flip the channel to watch an MLS game or not?  Do the domestic league and academies become stronger when I tune into that channel?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 08, 2024, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: Bruce on January 08, 2024, 12:55:51 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 07, 2024, 08:28:25 PM
I knew someone would attempt to defend it.

(And why should an American soccer fan watch MLS, other than actually attending the game in person? Unlike the other American sports leagues, MLS doesn't have the world's best football/soccer players. So of course Americans who are used to watching the best basketball, best hockey, etc will watch foreign leagues to watch the best soccer.)

Because I like watching things at normal times of the day and can feel a real connection to Seattle vs. Austin more than Bolton vs. Burnley. By your logic, we should stop watching anything in the minor leagues or in college sports because it's not "the best". Heck, just scrap everything and only watch the World Cup.

(By the way, the Sounders and another US team will be playing for the 2025 Club World Cup, against the other continental champions, which will be far more exciting than watching the same bloated Euro superteams play for the 111th time this year.)

Another big incentive: as MLS improves, so does the US national team. Without a strong domestic league and academies to raise talent, the team will not be able to make deep runs into the World Cup. Much of the 2022 roster originated from MLS academies and were allowed to incubate at home as young players before moving to Europe (or even returning).

I'm a big proponent of the MLS as well, really enjoying my time following Sporting KC when I lived there. But, I must admit, that I followed it for the "locality" more than for the soccer. Case in point, I live in Colorado now and the Rapids are not a big deal here at all, the team isn't very good, and when I've gone to games, the game day feel was 10% of what an SKC game is/was like. So, since it's not all that attractive of a product without the atmosphere and conviviality, I don't really follow it much anymore. Whereas, I follow the EPL intently and have a passing interest in the Bundesliga, La Liga, etc.

Also, for the record, World Cup football is much worse than club football. The product overall isn't, since everyone pulls for different countries, but the actual product on the field isn't nearly as good since these guys don't play together all the time.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on January 08, 2024, 01:47:40 PM
I'm finding myself fascinated with the PWHL for some reason. I think part of it is because it's even closer to me than Boston; their stadium is in Lowell.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 08, 2024, 03:24:31 PM
The thing with MLS is it's never been able to be driven by homegrown stars into casual public consciousness. I admit I don't follow MLS but just from osmosis I learn things about NASCAR, golf, and other sports I don't watch. I know most of the teams but beyond that I know little about MLS and couldn't tell you who the best players in that league's history are. It only gets national attention when an established foreign superstar like David Beckham or Messi crosses over to the league, and that's only because they're no longer good enough to play full-time in Europe. I'm not sure even a regular SportsCenter viewer would learn any of MLS's top players just from watching that show alone.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Scott5114 on January 08, 2024, 09:36:51 PM
Honestly, I don't really get why people would rather watch European soccer than American, simply because my first thought is if Kirkenes beats Chernihiv or whatever, what's that got to do with me? I've never even been there, or known anyone from there, or know the language that's spoken there.

But then there's lots of things about sports I don't get.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on January 08, 2024, 09:40:12 PM
Since you're mentioning that part of the world, soccer games have a lot fewer fatalities (and destroyed buildings/infrastructure/etc.) than warfare and can be used as a proxy.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tmoore952 on January 08, 2024, 09:42:11 PM
I tend to watch Mexican soccer if the mood strikes me.

I have been in the UK when soccer (football) season is going on, and they really get into it. Watching UK soccer (and European soccer in general) when I am in the US makes me wish I was there, reminds me I'm not on vacation (I don't follow those leagues or look at the standings). For what it's worth, I've never been to Mexico save a border walk into Tijuana. I don't follow the Mexican leagues either.

Personally, I like not having any emotional connection to the teams. In that way, it's a lot different than watching the main US sports.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: webny99 on January 08, 2024, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2024, 02:25:32 AM
I came across the term "pick six" during a football game a few days ago and its existence irritates me. The phrase "pick six" (or PK6 if you're short on space) was first used in horse racing; it is a bet where you pick the winners of six consecutive races. A football pick six has nothing to do with picking six of anything, it's just an interception returned for a touchdown. Just call it that, or if you're going to come up with a cute term for it, at least have the good sense to pick a term that's not already being used by another sport for something totally unrelated.

Unfortunately once a term enters NFL parlance, it probably tends to overpower any other usages. I for one had never heard of it in a horse racing context before reading this.

However, it is worth noting that "pick" has long been used as a term for interception, and six is of course the number of points earned when it's returned for a touchdown, so it does have a perfectly logical meaning in an NFL context even if the term was already in use in horse racing.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on January 09, 2024, 03:20:23 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 08, 2024, 03:24:31 PM
I'm not sure even a regular SportsCenter viewer would learn any of MLS's top players just from watching that show alone.

SportsCenter spent decades punching down at soccer and even if they deigned to cover the sport it was always at the expense of the domestic game. It's no surprise that they're a factor in why MLS struggled despite having ABC and ESPN slots for years and years.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: ran4sh on January 09, 2024, 07:12:28 AM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 08, 2024, 01:43:35 PM
Quote from: Bruce on January 08, 2024, 12:55:51 AM
Quote from: ran4sh on January 07, 2024, 08:28:25 PM
I knew someone would attempt to defend it.

(And why should an American soccer fan watch MLS, other than actually attending the game in person? Unlike the other American sports leagues, MLS doesn't have the world's best football/soccer players. So of course Americans who are used to watching the best basketball, best hockey, etc will watch foreign leagues to watch the best soccer.)

Because I like watching things at normal times of the day and can feel a real connection to Seattle vs. Austin more than Bolton vs. Burnley. By your logic, we should stop watching anything in the minor leagues or in college sports because it's not "the best". Heck, just scrap everything and only watch the World Cup.

(By the way, the Sounders and another US team will be playing for the 2025 Club World Cup, against the other continental champions, which will be far more exciting than watching the same bloated Euro superteams play for the 111th time this year.)

Another big incentive: as MLS improves, so does the US national team. Without a strong domestic league and academies to raise talent, the team will not be able to make deep runs into the World Cup. Much of the 2022 roster originated from MLS academies and were allowed to incubate at home as young players before moving to Europe (or even returning).

I'm a big proponent of the MLS as well, really enjoying my time following Sporting KC when I lived there. But, I must admit, that I followed it for the "locality" more than for the soccer. Case in point, I live in Colorado now and the Rapids are not a big deal here at all, the team isn't very good, and when I've gone to games, the game day feel was 10% of what an SKC game is/was like. So, since it's not all that attractive of a product without the atmosphere and conviviality, I don't really follow it much anymore. Whereas, I follow the EPL intently and have a passing interest in the Bundesliga, La Liga, etc.

Also, for the record, World Cup football is much worse than club football. The product overall isn't, since everyone pulls for different countries, but the actual product on the field isn't nearly as good since these guys don't play together all the time.

I agree. I kind of wish the club World Cup were more popular than the national-team based World Cup. I'm much more interested in club football. For the reason you stated, plus the fact that players can just play for a club without affecting their nationality (as it would if it were national teams)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 09, 2024, 12:49:30 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 08, 2024, 09:36:51 PM
... if Kirkenes beats Chernihiv or whatever, what's that got to do with me?

Not really any less than if Tulsa beats Wichita.  It's not like you're on the team.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Scott5114 on January 10, 2024, 12:43:25 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 08, 2024, 09:54:39 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 02, 2024, 02:25:32 AM
I came across the term "pick six" during a football game a few days ago and its existence irritates me. The phrase "pick six" (or PK6 if you're short on space) was first used in horse racing; it is a bet where you pick the winners of six consecutive races. A football pick six has nothing to do with picking six of anything, it's just an interception returned for a touchdown. Just call it that, or if you're going to come up with a cute term for it, at least have the good sense to pick a term that's not already being used by another sport for something totally unrelated.

Unfortunately once a term enters NFL parlance, it probably tends to overpower any other usages. I for one had never heard of it in a horse racing context before reading this.

However, it is worth noting that "pick" has long been used as a term for interception, and six is of course the number of points earned when it's returned for a touchdown, so it does have a perfectly logical meaning in an NFL context even if the term was already in use in horse racing.

It may make sense, but I imagine it gets confusing as hell to tellers who have to handle both NFL and OTB bets. (I'm glad that sports betting wasn't legal in Oklahoma when I was an OTB teller.)

Quote from: kphoger on January 09, 2024, 12:49:30 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 08, 2024, 09:36:51 PM
... if Kirkenes beats Chernihiv or whatever, what's that got to do with me?

Not really any less than if Tulsa beats Wichita.  It's not like you're on the team.

Well, true. But at least with places that you're familiar with, you can decide who to root for based on arbitrary things you associate with each team's location (maybe you root for Wichita because the highways are better there, or you root for Tulsa because you don't like how many airplane factories there are in Wichita, or you do or don't like the governor of the state one of the teams is based in, etc.). If it's two teams you know nothing about, you're kind of reduced to things like which team's jersey or mascot you like better or that you don't like one of the players' haircut or whatever.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 10, 2024, 09:54:59 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 10, 2024, 12:43:25 AM
But at least with places that you're familiar with, you can decide who to root for based on arbitrary things you associate with each team's location

If it's two teams you know nothing about, you're kind of reduced to things like which team's jersey or mascot you like better or that you don't like one of the players' haircut or whatever.

"Things I associate with each team's location" seems just about as arbitrary a reason to root for a team as jersey color.  I mean, you specifically mentioned not liking the governor, and that's just as likely to change in a few years as the jersey colors—and much more likely to change than the mascot.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 10, 2024, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 08, 2024, 03:24:31 PM
The thing with MLS is it's never been able to be driven by homegrown stars into casual public consciousness. I admit I don't follow MLS but just from osmosis I learn things about NASCAR, golf, and other sports I don't watch.

70+ years ago, all professional teams were just primarily local clubs, so lots of it was just local talent. Nowadays, they might have open tryouts, which gives people the ability to dream about playing for their favorite team, but homegrown talent doesn't just go play for their favorite squad. I guess that's a big problem for a new league; there's not a lot of history behind it and the teams' histories only go back so far. Repeated success builds that history, I suppose.

The other sports you mentioned; golf isn't a team sport, so you just develop your own talents and get noticed (I guess?), and NASCAR sort of works on the same premise; the driver develops their own talents, but with a ton more of a "team" behind them. At least in the latter, if a driver can't find a team they want to work with (either their talent/sponsorship dried up or nobody wants to deal with their emotional baggage), drivers could do something athletes really can't do in other team sports; raise a ton of money and create an all-new team with talent and sponsorship. 
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 10, 2024, 03:21:27 PM
Even international soccer doesn't have a ton of the "local kid makes good" stories. Man City, arguably the best football club on the planet has one regular player from Manchester (Phil Foden). In the MLS, the only KC-born and bred player that Sporting had was Matt Besler, and he's a club legend because of it. He started world cup matches, but he didn't exactly drive the popularity of the league.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Bruce on January 11, 2024, 04:54:04 AM
MLS has a Homegrown Player program that does produce talent that plays for local teams. For the Sounders alone, we have had several starters who grew up in the Seattle area, including USMNT players like Jordan Morris. By largely forgoing the college process in recent times, MLS is tapping into local talent while also mixing in international fringe players (primarily from Central and South America). It's a fun mix and there are plenty of club legends already born out of MLS teams. The mainstream media just doesn't care to tell those narratives because they don't see what they can reap financially from it (especially now that Apple has locked down all streaming rights worldwide).
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on January 15, 2024, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 10, 2024, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 08, 2024, 03:24:31 PM
The thing with MLS is it's never been able to be driven by homegrown stars into casual public consciousness. I admit I don't follow MLS but just from osmosis I learn things about NASCAR, golf, and other sports I don't watch.

70+ years ago, all professional teams were just primarily local clubs, so lots of it was just local talent. Nowadays, they might have open tryouts, which gives people the ability to dream about playing for their favorite team, but homegrown talent doesn't just go play for their favorite squad. I guess that's a big problem for a new league; there's not a lot of history behind it and the teams' histories only go back so far. Repeated success builds that history, I suppose.

The other sports you mentioned; golf isn't a team sport, so you just develop your own talents and get noticed (I guess?), and NASCAR sort of works on the same premise; the driver develops their own talents, but with a ton more of a "team" behind them. At least in the latter, if a driver can't find a team they want to work with (either their talent/sponsorship dried up or nobody wants to deal with their emotional baggage), drivers could do something athletes really can't do in other team sports; raise a ton of money and create an all-new team with talent and sponsorship. 

I think my point was misunderstood.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: roadman65 on January 30, 2024, 04:26:33 PM
Publicizing Taylor Swift showing up at NFL games. Who the heck cares! So she's involved with a player. So she's joined the rest of the celebrity world in dating another celebrity.


Big deal. :banghead:
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: JayhawkCO on January 30, 2024, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 29, 2024, 11:14:03 PM
One of the comedy NFL accounts I follow:

"Kind of happy the super bowl will be ruined for millions of the most annoying guy you know who turns into a gremlin when they show Taylor for 2 seconds in the booth."

(https://i.imgur.com/fcHd0LAg.jpg)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: bing101 on January 30, 2024, 05:32:56 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 30, 2024, 04:26:33 PM
Publicizing Taylor Swift showing up at NFL games. Who the heck cares! So she's involved with a player. So she's joined the rest of the celebrity world in dating another celebrity.


Big deal. :banghead:
Hey if you know any 49ers fans let's run with this song.

Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 30, 2024, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 30, 2024, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 29, 2024, 11:14:03 PM
One of the comedy NFL accounts I follow:

"Kind of happy the super bowl will be ruined for millions of the most annoying guy you know who turns into a gremlin when they show Taylor for 2 seconds in the booth."
[snip]

Ah yes, those annoyed at seeing Taylor Swift for a sum total of 15 seconds during a game, but are totally okay with an over-bloated 30 minute halftime show.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
The NFL owners are greedy old men.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.  This is why they play games in Europe, and next year, South America, so they can be shown in US mornings.  This is why they play game on Thursday, Monday, holidays, etc.

They have maxed out the people that what to watch football.  So they did a study.  Who doesn't watch a lot of football?  White women between 15-35.  So suddenly there is this "romance" between a pop singer and some player, both of which managed to make it into their 30s without marrying anyone.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.  From this start we now get shots of various other girlfriends, some I'm sure real, of different players. 

And it worked, at least to my perception.  In my little group the women have put down their phones and are watching the games.

And it is all faker than wrestling.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: thspfc on January 31, 2024, 09:09:57 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
The NFL owners are greedy old men.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.  This is why they play games in Europe, and next year, South America, so they can be shown in US mornings.  This is why they play game on Thursday, Monday, holidays, etc.

They have maxed out the people that what to watch football.  So they did a study.  Who doesn't watch a lot of football?  White women between 15-35.  So suddenly there is this "romance" between a pop singer and some player, both of which managed to make it into their 30s without marrying anyone.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.  From this start we now get shots of various other girlfriends, some I'm sure real, of different players. 

And it worked, at least to my perception.  In my little group the women have put down their phones and are watching the games.

And it is all faker than wrestling.
You say this like it's some far-flung conspiracy theory. It's incredibly obvious that the league is using this relationship to print money. And I don't understand why that's a problem.

If you're suggesting that the relationship itself is fake, no it's not. Taylor is too big a celebrity for them to be able to pull that off.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 31, 2024, 09:30:28 AM
Why is nobody considering the possibility that Swift already liked football, but that attending actual games is only because her sweetie is on the field?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: roadman65 on January 31, 2024, 10:02:31 AM
Quote from: formulanone on January 30, 2024, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 30, 2024, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 29, 2024, 11:14:03 PM
One of the comedy NFL accounts I follow:

"Kind of happy the super bowl will be ruined for millions of the most annoying guy you know who turns into a gremlin when they show Taylor for 2 seconds in the booth."
[snip]

Ah yes, those annoyed at seeing Taylor Swift for a sum total of 15 seconds during a game, but are totally okay with an over-bloated 30 minute halftime show.

Is the reasoning behind it. Every time a celebrity does something romantic with another celebrity it has tabloids following them. For example when John Mayer was involved with Jennifer Anniston, some morning DJ was giving us a play by play on both their dating and sex life. I'm mean I could care less, but then it made me see how much of a slut Jennifer is and how the musician must of had a big ego screwing the popular female actress. Considering Jennifer only dates other celebs and has a bad track record with them, it makes me feel she's trash and only glamorous on the outside.

I think we are all weary of Hollywood and Music industry dating. I have to say hats off to Mark Harmon who tells gossip media to leave him and Pam Dawber alone.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 31, 2024, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
The NFL owners are greedy old men.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I'm not sure that's true.

Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
And it is all faker than wrestling.

I'm not sure that's true.

My own theory is the NFL fan base has some animosity toward Swift because she is a prominent outsider to that fan base.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 31, 2024, 01:33:43 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 31, 2024, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
The NFL owners are greedy old men.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I'm not sure that's true.

Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
And it is all faker than wrestling.

I'm not sure that's true.

My own theory is the NFL fan base has some animosity toward Swift because she is a prominent outsider to that fan base.

It's not the entire NFL fan base. It's a segment that is both threatened by strong women who don't share their views and prone to believing ridiculous conspiracy theories over simple explanations.

Her music isn't' something that I'm into, but I'm not at all bothered by her presence.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Max Rockatansky on January 31, 2024, 01:49:19 PM
If the NFL was rigged the Lions wouldn't have choked away the NFC Championship game.  The majority of the NFL fanbase wanted them in the Super Bowl and it would have generated a ton of interest for the casual fan.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: bing101 on January 31, 2024, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 31, 2024, 01:33:43 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 31, 2024, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
The NFL owners are greedy old men.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I'm not sure that's true.

Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
And it is all faker than wrestling.

I'm not sure that's true.

My own theory is the NFL fan base has some animosity toward Swift because she is a prominent outsider to that fan base.

It's not the entire NFL fan base. It's a segment that is both threatened by strong women who don't share their views and prone to believing ridiculous conspiracy theories over simple explanations.

Her music isn't' something that I'm into, but I'm not at all bothered by her presence.
Agreed and I'm a 49ers fan and it's crazy to watch political pundits make Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce a political issue over Travis Kelce's appearance in a PSA to get vaccinated.


https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-should-executed-christian-commentator-1830763
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: GaryV on January 31, 2024, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: bing101 on January 31, 2024, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 31, 2024, 01:33:43 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 31, 2024, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
The NFL owners are greedy old men.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I'm not sure that's true.

Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
And it is all faker than wrestling.

I'm not sure that's true.

My own theory is the NFL fan base has some animosity toward Swift because she is a prominent outsider to that fan base.

It's not the entire NFL fan base. It's a segment that is both threatened by strong women who don't share their views and prone to believing ridiculous conspiracy theories over simple explanations.

Her music isn't' something that I'm into, but I'm not at all bothered by her presence.
Agreed and I'm a 49ers fan and it's crazy to watch political pundits make Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce a political issue over Travis Kelce's appearance in a PSA to get vaccinated.


https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-should-executed-christian-commentator-1830763

Just think, 5 years ago this person might have been complaining about them "living in sin".
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: bing101 on January 31, 2024, 03:16:43 PM
Quote from: GaryV on January 31, 2024, 03:15:42 PM
Quote from: bing101 on January 31, 2024, 03:09:06 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 31, 2024, 01:33:43 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 31, 2024, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
The NFL owners are greedy old men.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I'm not sure that's true.

Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
And it is all faker than wrestling.

I'm not sure that's true.

My own theory is the NFL fan base has some animosity toward Swift because she is a prominent outsider to that fan base.

It's not the entire NFL fan base. It's a segment that is both threatened by strong women who don't share their views and prone to believing ridiculous conspiracy theories over simple explanations.

Her music isn't' something that I'm into, but I'm not at all bothered by her presence.
Agreed and I'm a 49ers fan and it's crazy to watch political pundits make Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce a political issue over Travis Kelce's appearance in a PSA to get vaccinated.


https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-should-executed-christian-commentator-1830763 (https://www.newsweek.com/taylor-swift-travis-kelce-should-executed-christian-commentator-1830763)

Just think, 5 years ago this person might have been complaining about them "living in sin".

https://www.newsweek.com/tomi-lahren-taylor-swift-remark-travis-kelce-pfizer-uproar-1829566 (https://www.newsweek.com/tomi-lahren-taylor-swift-remark-travis-kelce-pfizer-uproar-1829566)
Ok then. Let's bring Football to be about Joe Montana picks to win the Superbowl. Yes this is given that Montana was known for his time with the 49ers and the Chiefs when he was with the NFL.



Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: SectorZ on January 31, 2024, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 30, 2024, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 30, 2024, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 29, 2024, 11:14:03 PM
One of the comedy NFL accounts I follow:

"Kind of happy the super bowl will be ruined for millions of the most annoying guy you know who turns into a gremlin when they show Taylor for 2 seconds in the booth."
[snip]

Ah yes, those annoyed at seeing Taylor Swift for a sum total of 15 seconds during a game, but are totally okay with an over-bloated 30 minute halftime show.

I think the Venn diagram of people who are sick of Taylor and people who hate the Superbowl halftime is just one circle.

Each is going after the lowest common denominator of musical taste.

For over a decade I watched Tom Brady play for the Patriots while married to Gisele Bündchen, and I can count on ten fingers how many times she was shown on TV, and she was around for over a decade.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 31, 2024, 03:34:38 PM
Quote from: thspfc on January 31, 2024, 09:09:57 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
The NFL owners are greedy old men.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.  This is why they play games in Europe, and next year, South America, so they can be shown in US mornings.  This is why they play game on Thursday, Monday, holidays, etc.

They have maxed out the people that what to watch football.  So they did a study.  Who doesn't watch a lot of football?  White women between 15-35.  So suddenly there is this "romance" between a pop singer and some player, both of which managed to make it into their 30s without marrying anyone.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.  From this start we now get shots of various other girlfriends, some I'm sure real, of different players. 

And it worked, at least to my perception.  In my little group the women have put down their phones and are watching the games.

And it is all faker than wrestling.
You say this like it's some far-flung conspiracy theory. It's incredibly obvious that the league is using this relationship to print money. And I don't understand why that's a problem.

If you're suggesting that the relationship itself is fake, no it's not. Taylor is too big a celebrity for them to be able to pull that off.

It's kind of a gift to the NFL; they saw a younger generation less interested in football and maybe her presence just moves the needle a little bit more.

If there's any shred of a conspiracy, it's that Patrick Mahomes appears in seemingly every other advertisement during NFL games...but until there's five truly bad calls in a game against KC's opponents, it's honestly not worth a second thought.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: roadman65 on January 31, 2024, 03:47:37 PM
An afternoon drive time DJ said, in his opinion, it might be a good thing as it may attract the younger crowd into the game, especially women..
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: hotdogPi on January 31, 2024, 03:53:44 PM
I'm against the NFL becoming more popular. There are many other sports out there, and one sport shouldn't dominate. And of the five major team sports in the US (soccer being the fifth), football seems to be the only one not played by women, so having women gravitate toward football may be counterproductive. There's the WNBA, the very new (less than a month old) PWHL, women's soccer at both the domestic and international level, and softball is a close variant of baseball. (Make that 1 out of 7 if you include tennis and golf, which are individual rather than team sports.)
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: CtrlAltDel on January 31, 2024, 04:01:22 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 31, 2024, 01:33:43 PM
Quote from: CtrlAltDel on January 31, 2024, 01:02:03 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
The NFL owners are greedy old men.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.

I'm not sure that's true.

Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
And it is all faker than wrestling.

I'm not sure that's true.

My own theory is the NFL fan base has some animosity toward Swift because she is a prominent outsider to that fan base.

It's not the entire NFL fan base.

That is true.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 31, 2024, 04:08:39 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on January 31, 2024, 03:31:12 PM
I think the Venn diagram of people who are sick of Taylor and people who hate the Superbowl halftime is just one circle.

Each is going after the lowest common denominator of musical taste.

I just want a halftime show that doesn't:

(1)  make me feel like I need to scrub my eyes with soap afterward because of all the sex-charged outfits and dancing

(2)  feature an artist who really should be on oxygen because they're over 85 and their musical prime was during my parents' youth
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on January 31, 2024, 04:14:00 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 31, 2024, 04:08:39 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on January 31, 2024, 03:31:12 PM
I think the Venn diagram of people who are sick of Taylor and people who hate the Superbowl halftime is just one circle.

Each is going after the lowest common denominator of musical taste.

I just want a halftime show that doesn't:

(1)  make me feel like I need to scrub my eyes with soap afterward because of all the sex-charged outfits and dancing

(2)  feature an artist who really should be on oxygen because they're over 85 and their musical prime was during my parents' youth

Sounds like you'd enjoy a halftime show by "Weird Al"
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: roadman65 on January 31, 2024, 04:14:49 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 31, 2024, 04:08:39 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on January 31, 2024, 03:31:12 PM
I think the Venn diagram of people who are sick of Taylor and people who hate the Superbowl halftime is just one circle.

Each is going after the lowest common denominator of musical taste.

I just want a halftime show that doesn't:

(1)  make me feel like I need to scrub my eyes with soap afterward because of all the sex-charged outfits and dancing

(2)  feature an artist who really should be on oxygen because they're over 85 and their musical prime was during my parents' youth

I'm sure for number two, Phil Collins is out  :bigass:

Anyway McCartney wasn't bad when he performed Jacksonville in the mid aughts.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: kphoger on January 31, 2024, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 31, 2024, 04:14:00 PM
Sounds like you'd enjoy a halftime show by "Weird Al"

That would be the BEST!
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: wanderer2575 on January 31, 2024, 04:29:01 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on January 31, 2024, 09:05:40 AM
The NFL owners are greedy old men.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.  This is why they play games in Europe, and next year, South America, so they can be shown in US mornings.  This is why they play game on Thursday, Monday, holidays, etc.

They have maxed out the people that what to watch football.  So they did a study.  Who doesn't watch a lot of football?  White women between 15-35.  So suddenly there is this "romance" between a pop singer and some player, both of which managed to make it into their 30s without marrying anyone.  Not that there is anything wrong with that.  From this start we now get shots of various other girlfriends, some I'm sure real, of different players. 

And it worked, at least to my perception.  In my little group the women have put down their phones and are watching the games.

And it is all faker than wrestling.

As opposed to what else?  Extended shots of coaches pacing the sideline and comically trying to cover their mouths while shouting into a headset?  Extended shots of players on the sideline?   Shots of Jerry Jones and other owners in their luxury suites?  When the Colts (Peyton Manning) played the Giants (Eli Manning), it seemed after at least every third play there was a shot of Archie Manning up in the stands.  When Matthew Stafford was with the Lions I saw lots of shots of his wife in a suite.  We've already had all this viewing distraction for years.  There's nothing new here, folks, just move along.  I really don't understand why shots of Taylor Swift specifically are so much of a concern.  It's just a random issue-of-the-moment from social media shits who have to stroke themselves by putting something out there for their "followers."  The same ones who, for example, of all the retail symbols out there, lose their shit over a holiday coffee cup design.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: formulanone on January 31, 2024, 06:29:03 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 31, 2024, 04:23:56 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on January 31, 2024, 04:14:00 PM
Sounds like you'd enjoy a halftime show by "Weird Al"

That would be the BEST!

Even Worse! would also be accepted.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: Big John on January 31, 2024, 06:32:49 PM
^^ That would cause an Apocalypse.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tmoore952 on February 02, 2024, 12:09:59 PM
I remember reading somewhere (probably in this thread, or maybe the NFL thread) about annoyance with Greg Olsen on Fox.

I know this is general knowledge, but I was reminded last night that Tom Brady will be the lead Fox color analyst next year.
So Greg Olsen presumably won't be heard on the Fox featured game of the week at least. I'm sure he'll still be on the best game in the early time slot.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: vegas1962 on February 02, 2024, 04:06:38 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 31, 2024, 06:32:49 PM
^^ That would cause an Apocalypse.
You mean an AL-pocalypse.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: JayhawkCO on February 05, 2024, 12:22:32 AM
Quote from: bing101 on February 05, 2024, 12:18:50 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on January 31, 2024, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: formulanone on January 30, 2024, 06:37:08 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 30, 2024, 04:36:02 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on January 29, 2024, 11:14:03 PM
One of the comedy NFL accounts I follow:

"Kind of happy the super bowl will be ruined for millions of the most annoying guy you know who turns into a gremlin when they show Taylor for 2 seconds in the booth."
[snip]

Ah yes, those annoyed at seeing Taylor Swift for a sum total of 15 seconds during a game, but are totally okay with an over-bloated 30 minute halftime show.

I think the Venn diagram of people who are sick of Taylor and people who hate the Superbowl halftime is just one circle.

Each is going after the lowest common denominator of musical taste.

For over a decade I watched Tom Brady play for the Patriots while married to Gisele Bündchen, and I can count on ten fingers how many times she was shown on TV, and she was around for over a decade.
https://apnews.com/article/2024-grammy-awards-show-75f0eda337c9289f846f9a047d191703

Taylor Swift wins album of the year at the Grammy Awards for the fourth time, setting a new record
Here is an update Taylor Swift won the Grammy Awards and yes it's her Super Bowl.

a) Does this annoy you?
b) Does this have anything to do with sports?
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: dvferyance on February 05, 2024, 04:57:24 PM
That Seattle still doesn't have an NBA team.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: tchafe1978 on February 06, 2024, 12:35:48 AM
That everytime any given team loses, a certain subset of fans will call for the coach to be fired. This could be any team, any sport. A team loses one game, and Facobook is flooded with comments from "fans" wanting the coach fired, for losing ONE game, in what has otherwise been a successful season. It's gotten so bad I've started to ignore some fan groups I'm in and not even read comments under any article or posting about some of my favorite teams. Makes it hard to enjoy following the team.
Title: Re: Minor things that annoy you-sports edition
Post by: roadman65 on February 06, 2024, 06:49:35 AM
How about in Baseball when they go from first to whatever? Frank Cashen firing Davy Johnson, who was one of the best managers for the NY Mets, terminated Johnson's contract when the Mets dropped out of first place in the NLE.

Then George Steinbrenner, who constantly fired Yankee managers, because his mood changed and is famous for firing the most team managers in MLB history.