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Title: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 16, 2021, 08:58:29 PM
I have an irrational, unexplained fear of dandelions for no reason. I've had it since childhood but it's recently gotten better. Does anyone else also dislike dandelions?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: I-55 on May 16, 2021, 08:59:41 PM
I have an irrational, unexplained fear of dandelions for no reason. I've had it since childhood but it's recently gotten better. Does anyone else also dislike dandelions?

I don't care for them but I cannot say I have an irrational fear.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 16, 2021, 09:00:11 PM
I have an irrational, unexplained fear of dandelions for no reason. I've had it since childhood but it's recently gotten better. Does anyone else also dislike dandelions?

I don't care for them but I cannot say I have an irrational fear.
I'm mostly the same way now.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 16, 2021, 09:03:41 PM
I dislike weeds in general. 
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: thspfc on May 16, 2021, 09:06:58 PM
In what way are you scared of dandelions? Like do you think they’re going to jump out and eat you?  :-D

I like the yellow dandelions, but the gray ones are annoying.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 16, 2021, 09:08:18 PM
In what way are you scared of dandelions? Like do you think they’re going to jump out and eat you?  :-D

I like the yellow dandelions, but the gray ones are annoying.
They gross me out. I'm not a huge fan of weeds or even just plants in general. I have seasonal allergies.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 16, 2021, 09:29:19 PM
Whatever you do, don't walk around my campus then.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: 1 on May 16, 2021, 09:32:19 PM
They have good ice cream, although I haven't been there in years.
https://goo.gl/maps/TtriRrsXEdz1gJQu9 (https://goo.gl/maps/TtriRrsXEdz1gJQu9)
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 16, 2021, 10:02:16 PM
I'm not scared of them, I just think they're ugly, especially when they go to seed, so I appreciate it when people fertilize their lawns to keep them away. Most people do on my street, so the few that don't stand out.



They have good ice cream, although I haven't been there in years.
https://goo.gl/maps/TtriRrsXEdz1gJQu9 (https://goo.gl/maps/TtriRrsXEdz1gJQu9)

You forgot just one thing:  :bigass:
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: vdeane on May 16, 2021, 10:42:02 PM
In what way are you scared of dandelions? Like do you think they’re going to jump out and eat you?  :-D

I like the yellow dandelions, but the gray ones are annoying.
They gross me out. I'm not a huge fan of weeds or even just plants in general. I have seasonal allergies.
Are they like this?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 16, 2021, 10:44:18 PM
Dandelion flowers are ok, the seedy white/grey ones are awful.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Brandon on May 16, 2021, 11:04:47 PM
I'm not a fan of them as they are an invasive species, i.e. not native to North America.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Takumi on May 16, 2021, 11:07:48 PM
I'm not a fan of them as they are an invasive species, i.e. not native to North America.

Somewhere a Native American is struggling to not type something.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 16, 2021, 11:15:38 PM
Dandelions don't bother me. They're a good source of nectar for bees and their roots bring up nutrients that other plants without such deep roots can use. They're also apparently nutritious (not that I've tried eating them myself) and can be used to make wine.

What constitutes a "weed" is so arbitrary that I'm kind of suspicious of the term. Look at a natural grassy area; it doesn't look like a lawn at all. So much of lawncare is rooted in the culture of big-ass British manors that used a large, uniform blanket of grass as a status symbol to show off how they had the money to pay landscapers to keep it immaculate.  Then when the middle class started getting their own land they sought to do the same thing. It's all just a big money and time pit that's best avoided.

Huge monoculture swaths of a single species of grass are bad for the soil, and the chemicals that go into maintaining it are bad for the environment, especially when they run off into local waterways. Native plants do better with less maintenance and are better for the soil and the surrounding wildlife. Some things characterized as weeds, like henbit and clover, actually look pretty nice to me. I grew up on a one-acre lot so we never had a desire to spray all of that for weeds, so some of the "weeds" are just normal yard plants to me.

I used to have someone spray my yard for weeds because it made it easier to mow, but then I realized I could just use that money to pay a guy with a bigger lawnmower than me to come out and mow twice as often.

What I think would be really cool would be if I could get moss to grow on my yard.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: GaryV on May 17, 2021, 08:15:37 AM
What constitutes a "weed" is so arbitrary that I'm kind of suspicious of the term.
A weed is something that grows where you don't want it to grow.
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What I think would be really cool would be if I could get moss to grow on my yard.
My wife and I were discussing this just last week.  Grow moss or lichens for a yard.  It would be nice and soft to walk on.  No more mowing, but you'd have to hire someone to bring out reindeer once or twice a year to trim it.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 08:17:07 AM
Dandelions don't bother me. They're a good source of nectar for bees and their roots bring up nutrients that other plants without such deep roots can use. They're also apparently nutritious (not that I've tried eating them myself) and can be used to make wine.

What constitutes a "weed" is so arbitrary that I'm kind of suspicious of the term. Look at a natural grassy area; it doesn't look like a lawn at all. So much of lawncare is rooted in the culture of big-ass British manors that used a large, uniform blanket of grass as a status symbol to show off how they had the money to pay landscapers to keep it immaculate.  Then when the middle class started getting their own land they sought to do the same thing. It's all just a big money and time pit that's best avoided.

Huge monoculture swaths of a single species of grass are bad for the soil, and the chemicals that go into maintaining it are bad for the environment, especially when they run off into local waterways. Native plants do better with less maintenance and are better for the soil and the surrounding wildlife. Some things characterized as weeds, like henbit and clover, actually look pretty nice to me. I grew up on a one-acre lot so we never had a desire to spray all of that for weeds, so some of the "weeds" are just normal yard plants to me.

I used to have someone spray my yard for weeds because it made it easier to mow, but then I realized I could just use that money to pay a guy with a bigger lawnmower than me to come out and mow twice as often.

What I think would be really cool would be if I could get moss to grow on my yard.
Weeds just grow very wildly, while domesticated plants grow more neatly.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: index on May 17, 2021, 02:05:00 PM
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Weeds just grow very wildly, while domesticated plants grow more neatly.

Only really because we maintain them. Look at what Kudzu did to the South and that was used for domesticated, ornamental purposes only.

What I think would be really cool would be if I could get moss to grow on my yard.

Having one of those would be a dream. Nice and soft to walk on and you don't have to waste so much money and time maintaining something vain, that exists for no reason other than looking pretty for half the year, so you don't get neighbors whining at you for having the grass 4 nanometers taller than it should, declaring it a "nuisance" because it hurts the neighboring property value by one trillionth of one femtocent in old Zimbabwe Dollars.

I liked this article on biodiverse lawns:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/08/03/my-town-calls-my-lawn-a-nuisance-but-i-still-refuse-to-mow-it/



Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 17, 2021, 02:05:54 PM
[snipped]
Weeds just grow very wildly, while domesticated plants grow more neatly.

Only really because we maintain them. Look at what Kudzu did to the South and that was used for domesticated, ornamental purposes only.

Any cases of domesticated/tamed dandelions?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: triplemultiplex on May 17, 2021, 06:12:06 PM
They were brought to North America as a food source.  The young leaves are very edible; comparable to those fancy-looking mixed greens some people like.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 17, 2021, 06:24:20 PM
What I think would be really cool would be if I could get moss to grow on my yard.

Having one of those would be a dream. Nice and soft to walk on and you don't have to waste so much money and time maintaining something vain, that exists for no reason other than looking pretty for half the year, so you don't get neighbors whining at you for having the grass 4 nanometers taller than it should, declaring it a "nuisance" because it hurts the neighboring property value by one trillionth of one femtocent in old Zimbabwe Dollars.

Ask and you will receive, I guess—I just went outside to get a gallon of water out of the rain barrel and found a patch of moss happily soaking up the puddle that forms from the barrel's overflow! There are a lot of other green spots on the dirt in the area too—guess I should get the watering can out and keep them moist until they sprout into moss too. It's a shady area under some Bradford pear trees in the front yard that I've never been able to get grass to grow in, so it'd be nice to have some ground cover there.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: In_Correct on May 17, 2021, 07:11:14 PM
I do not and will not live in any area that I paid money for yet am told what to do on my property such as mow a lawn and the type of grass to plant and even water. I am slowly turning the yard into mostly side walks. With various plants. Some are Sunflowers. And Irises. Some of it consists of Tiger Lilies. Some are trees. The rest is and all ways will be:

"Pardon The Weeds. We Are Feeding The Bees.".

I have no problem with Dandelions. And Clover. And Poke. They and other Natural Plants that I have converted in to Ornamental Garden Plants.  If people still do not like it, I put up fences to help people look the other way. Or Else.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: index on May 17, 2021, 07:29:35 PM
What I think would be really cool would be if I could get moss to grow on my yard.

Having one of those would be a dream. Nice and soft to walk on and you don't have to waste so much money and time maintaining something vain, that exists for no reason other than looking pretty for half the year, so you don't get neighbors whining at you for having the grass 4 nanometers taller than it should, declaring it a "nuisance" because it hurts the neighboring property value by one trillionth of one femtocent in old Zimbabwe Dollars.
Ask and you will receive, I guess—I just went outside to get a gallon of water out of the rain barrel and found a patch of moss happily soaking up the puddle that forms from the barrel's overflow! There are a lot of other green spots on the dirt in the area too—guess I should get the watering can out and keep them moist until they sprout into moss too. It's a shady area under some Bradford pear trees in the front yard that I've never been able to get grass to grow in, so it'd be nice to have some ground cover there.

Don't those things stink like rotting fish in the spring? I was pretty sure my middle school's campus had those, during the spring when they were in full bloom the entire campus smelled like a mix of smoke, rotting food, and body odor. (Although, to be fair, middle schoolers already smell like this in the first place) It smells horrible but it probably attracts bugs to help it spread pollen.



I do not and will not live in any area that I paid money for yet am told what to do on my property such as mow a lawn and the type of grass to plant and even water. I am slowly turning the yard into mostly side walks. With various plants. Some are Sunflowers. And Irises. Some of it consists of Tiger Lilies. Some are trees. The rest is and all ways will be:

"Pardon The Weeds. We Are Feeding The Bees.".

I have no problem with Dandelions. And Clover. And Poke. They and other Natural Plants that I have converted in to Ornamental Garden Plants.  If people still do not like it, I put up fences to help people look the other way. Or Else.

Unfortunately some municipalities don't take kindly to this. I read an article a bit ago talking about something along the lines of how a city fined a man 500 dollars per day...Due to overgrown grass when he was gone for 8 weeks taking care of his sick mother or something. Then tried to foreclose on his house.

Because HOAs, neighbors, and municipalities are so needlessly anal about pointless suburban aesthetics and what people do on their own property, I always get a kick out of spite stories like this:

Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 17, 2021, 07:38:25 PM
Don't those things stink like rotting fish in the spring? I was pretty sure my middle school's campus had those, during the spring when they were in full bloom the entire campus smelled like a mix of smoke, rotting food, and body odor. (Although, to be fair, middle schoolers already smell like this in the first place) It smells horrible but it probably attracts bugs to help it spread pollen.

They do put off a pretty weird salty odor, but it doesn't really bother me, and it's only for a couple of weeks in the spring (when it's usually cold enough I don't spend much time outside anyway).

They're not my favorite trees, but they came with the house and I have no good reason to cut them down, so I'm not going to. (I love trees, especially in this era of high carbon levels). They have a pretty short lifespan compared to most types of trees, so I may end up having to replace them at some point anyway. When that happens, I'll probably go with a maple or another white oak. I planted a white oak in another part of my front yard in 2018 and it's doing beautifully. Unless something happens to it, it should grow to be as much as 100 feet tall and outlive me by several times my lifespan.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: In_Correct on May 17, 2021, 07:49:04 PM
Orchards are nice.

Also Lawn Mowing is a part of Deforestation. If Lawns are not mowed and when Gardens are planted trees will grow. If I have the space and if they are not near Utilities, I have let trees grow. ... and now they are massive.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: index on May 17, 2021, 10:55:24 PM
Don't those things stink like rotting fish in the spring? I was pretty sure my middle school's campus had those, during the spring when they were in full bloom the entire campus smelled like a mix of smoke, rotting food, and body odor. (Although, to be fair, middle schoolers already smell like this in the first place) It smells horrible but it probably attracts bugs to help it spread pollen.

They do put off a pretty weird salty odor, but it doesn't really bother me, and it's only for a couple of weeks in the spring (when it's usually cold enough I don't spend much time outside anyway).

They're not my favorite trees, but they came with the house and I have no good reason to cut them down, so I'm not going to. (I love trees, especially in this era of high carbon levels). They have a pretty short lifespan compared to most types of trees, so I may end up having to replace them at some point anyway. When that happens, I'll probably go with a maple or another white oak. I planted a white oak in another part of my front yard in 2018 and it's doing beautifully. Unless something happens to it, it should grow to be as much as 100 feet tall and outlive me by several times my lifespan.

Speaking of trees, I have never really understood the aversion to shadiness in a lot of communities. Nice, shady streets look so much better, but no. Cut your branches or face a fine, rake all those leaves or face a fine, etc. It seems like none of the residential areas here outside of Charlotte proper, with its expansive tree canopy, have much shadiness, and the trees are ridiculously stunted in a lot of the suburban developments. I think it might have to do with it encouraging mold and mildew growth if not done right. (I think in that case, we should simply design them for shadiness)

 One of my neighbor's neighbors had planted massive, tall bushes in an attempt to give themselves privacy in their yard and it encouraged horrible mold and mildew growth on the side of their house that was constantly in the shade from those bushes that he'd constantly have to wash off. There is though, a development near me that was intentionally centered around a wooded theme, and while I dislike our current form of suburban planning, it looks far better than the bland expanses of vinyl sidings, stunted trees, and manicured, monocultured lawns. It really feels like it has some character to it. Not to mention it's cooler in the summer and mitigates urban heat effects, especially in somewhere like the South.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 18, 2021, 12:44:34 AM
I'm definitely in agreement with you there. I don't understand why anyone would want a yard with full sun in Oklahoma. In the summer with our 100° temperatures and tendency to not get rain for the entire months of July and August, yards with no trees look like the surface of the Moon. The grass goes dormant and dry like it's winter, and the soil turns hard as bricks with huge stress cracks running through it. Shady yards are much more tolerable under those conditions.

There aren't a whole lot of shady neighborhoods here, but I think much of that's is just because the city is just too new. My house was built in 1976, so that's probably about how old my Bradford pears are. Norman hasn't existed long enough for widespread proliferation of really big trees; about the only place you see that is in the very oldest parts of the city around the university and downtown.

I'm fortunate to not live in a HOA, and I think many of my neighbors rent, so I don't really have to worry about anyone getting onto me for my yard maintenance. I do the bare minimum to skate by—keep it mowed—and do try to keep the branches trimmed back enough that they don't cause an inconvenience for anyone passing by on the sidewalk. But other than that, whatever!
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 18, 2021, 07:59:40 AM
Personally, I think no shade at all is a bit too desert-like (as it can lead to parched lawns, especially in this area), but at least some sun is good.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 18, 2021, 04:41:30 PM
I like the yellow dandelions, but the gray ones are annoying.

Dandelion flowers are ok, the seedy white/grey ones are awful.

They're the same ones, just at different points in time.

* mind blown *
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Bruce on May 18, 2021, 07:58:50 PM
What I think would be really cool would be if I could get moss to grow on my yard.

My yard does this quite well, thanks to our climate. Moss is nicer to lay on than grass.

Also, lawns are such a waste of time.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 18, 2021, 09:19:40 PM
I like the yellow dandelions, but the gray ones are annoying.

Dandelion flowers are ok, the seedy white/grey ones are awful.

They're the same ones, just at different points in time.

* mind blown *
I know.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 19, 2021, 12:55:46 PM
What do you call a lion that likes to dress up fancy?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 19, 2021, 01:51:04 PM
What do you call a lion that likes to dress up fancy?
I didn't laugh.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: index on May 19, 2021, 03:10:02 PM
What do you call a lion that likes to dress up fancy?

Raises hand, waving it in the air, WRIGGLING my grubby little fingers, frantically shouting "Ooh, pick me! Pick me! I know! I know the answer!"
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 19, 2021, 03:12:11 PM

What do you call a lion that likes to dress up fancy?

Raises hand, waving it in the air, WRIGGLING my grubby little fingers, frantically shouting "Ooh, pick me! Pick me! I know! I know the answer!"

Yes.  You, in the front, with the flashing lights.  Do you have the answer?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: index on May 19, 2021, 03:16:28 PM

What do you call a lion that likes to dress up fancy?

Raises hand, waving it in the air, WRIGGLING my grubby little fingers, frantically shouting "Ooh, pick me! Pick me! I know! I know the answer!"

Yes.  You, in the front, with the flashing lights.  Do you have the answer?
Dandy lion.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 19, 2021, 03:17:09 PM
 :clap:
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Concrete Bob on May 20, 2021, 12:38:10 AM
Semi on-topic.....I can get dandelion greens in the produce section of my local grocery stores.  The greens thrive in the late winter/early spring in California. They make for a very tasty salad, when accompanied by a dressing made of olive oil, apple cider vinegar, salt, pepper, crushed garlic and a touch of dijon mustard.  The greens are slightly bitter, but they have a nice earthy taste and finish.  A dandelion green salad is a great pair with a nice steak or a grilled fish.  It beats iceberg lettuce in a heartbeat.

Anyway, back to the levity.  I am trying to walk the fine, dandy line between keeping the thread intact, while sharing information about one of my favorite salads.       
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 20, 2021, 01:03:44 AM
Wikipedia mentions that dandelion greens can be blanched to remove some of the bitterness.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Rothman on May 20, 2021, 06:55:57 AM
Paying for dandelion greens sounds like paying for bottled water to me. 
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2021, 09:48:11 AM
Paying for dandelion greens sounds like paying for bottled water to me.
You can guarantee that the greens are in good condition I guess?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 20, 2021, 12:05:37 PM
Paying for dandelion greens sounds like paying for bottled water to me.

Paying for bottled water makes sense for car trips.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 20, 2021, 12:09:50 PM

Paying for dandelion greens sounds like paying for bottled water to me.

Paying for bottled water makes sense for car trips.

Bringing your own travel mug and just filling it up in the gas station bathroom sink makes sense for car trips, too.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 20, 2021, 01:07:26 PM
Bringing your own travel mug and just filling it up in the gas station bathroom sink makes cents for car trips, too.

FTFY.

A public bathroom sink? Yuck.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 20, 2021, 01:09:57 PM
A public bathroom sink? Yuck.

What is less sanitary about filling your cup at a gas station bathroom sink than filling it up at your own kitchen sink?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 20, 2021, 01:19:52 PM
A public bathroom sink? Yuck.

What is less sanitary about filling your cup at a gas station bathroom sink than filling it up at your own kitchen sink?

Uh... everything? You have no idea who or what has used that sink or how often it's been cleaned. I wouldn't want anything that I'm going to drink out of to be in a public bathroom, period. Much less under the actual sink.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 20, 2021, 01:59:29 PM


A public bathroom sink? Yuck.

What is less sanitary about filling your cup at a gas station bathroom sink than filling it up at your own kitchen sink?

Uh... everything? You have no idea who or what has used that sink or how often it's been cleaned. I wouldn't want anything that I'm going to drink out of to be in a public bathroom, period. Much less under the actual sink.

1.  I don't really care who else has used the sink, considering the water would be going straight from the tap into my cup.  All that really matters is how sanitary the water supply is.  And, in that regard, why should I think my own house's water is any better?  Heck, I never test my own household water.

2.  A lot of places, especially big truck stops, post the cleaning schedule on the door or wall of the bathroom.  So yes, often I know the exact frequency the bathroom has been cleaned with.  And I guarantee they're cleaned more often than my own faucets at home.  In fact, you know what?  I have three kids, and my wife operates a licensed home daycare.  How many snot-nosed, grubby-fingered little ones have used my home sinks?  Besides, I'd wager that the products the bathroom staff uses to clean with are also more effective than what I have at home.

3.  If you think the water from a gas station bathroom sink is so unsanitary, then why do you wash your hands with it?  I assume that, when you wash your hands in that sink, you consider your hands to be clean enough to eat with.  Or do you always use hand sanitizer after washing your hands at a gas station?



But OK, fine.

Bringing your own travel mug jug of water, filled from your kitchen sink, and just filling it up in the gas station bathroom sink your own travel mug as needed makes sense for car trips, too.

Is that better?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2021, 02:35:50 PM

Paying for dandelion greens sounds like paying for bottled water to me.

Paying for bottled water makes sense for car trips.

Bringing your own travel mug and just filling it up in the gas station bathroom sink makes sense for car trips, too.
I would try to look for those water bottle fillers.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 20, 2021, 02:48:22 PM
A public bathroom sink? Yuck.

What is less sanitary about filling your cup at a gas station bathroom sink than filling it up at your own kitchen sink?

Uh... everything? You have no idea who or what has used that sink or how often it's been cleaned. I wouldn't want anything that I'm going to drink out of to be in a public bathroom, period. Much less under the actual sink.

I never do anything to the actual faucet whenever I clean the sink. I've taken the aerator off of the bathroom sink twice to clean out random junk from the pipes that caused a low flow rate. I just pulled it off with a pair of pliers, and once I let it soak in CLR for a few hours. The second time I just knocked the junk out of it and put it back on. Neither time I sanitized it. As far as I know nobody has gotten sick from using the faucets in our house. (Although we don't drink out of them; Norman water has an icky taste so we drink out of a 5-gallon water dispenser that I do sanitize with bleach about once a year or so.)

Does anyone actually do anything special to their faucet to keep it clean, other than periodically removing calcium or lime buildup?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 20, 2021, 03:19:59 PM
I would try to look for those water bottle fillers.

What are those, and how would I look for them?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2021, 03:29:23 PM
I would try to look for those water bottle fillers.

What are those, and how would I look for them?
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61OOuu1Hn1L._AC_SL1200_.jpg)

If not, just a normal water fountain would be better than a sink.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 20, 2021, 03:31:12 PM


I would try to look for those water bottle fillers.

What are those, and how would I look for them?

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If not, just a normal water fountain would be better than a sink.

I don't think I've ever seen one of those, nor a water fountain, in a gas station before.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2021, 03:43:27 PM


I would try to look for those water bottle fillers.

What are those, and how would I look for them?

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If not, just a normal water fountain would be better than a sink.

I don't think I've ever seen one of those, nor a water fountain, in a gas station before.
Not in a gas station, but visitors centers or rest areas will sometimes have them, or at least a water fountain.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 20, 2021, 03:50:23 PM
Water fountains can be kind of gross cause we all knew the kid in school who put his lips right on the nozzle like a weirdo.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2021, 04:17:12 PM
Water fountains can be kind of gross cause we all knew the kid in school who put his lips right on the nozzle like a weirdo.
I would trust a fountain over a sink.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Rothman on May 20, 2021, 04:17:25 PM
I am so pleased by how my little joke turned out and how it exposed someone filling up in gas station bathroom sinks.  Made my day.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 20, 2021, 04:29:00 PM
I would trust a fountain over a sink.

Why?  Kids put their mouths directly on the water fountain spigot!  Can't say I've ever seen anyone do that to a bathroom sink faucet.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 20, 2021, 04:30:05 PM
I am so pleased by how my little joke turned out and how it exposed someone filling up in gas station bathroom sinks.  Made my day.

I don't.  I only said that it makes sense for car trips.  I personally try to drink as little as possible on car trips, and what I do drink is usually caffeinated.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 20, 2021, 05:22:35 PM
Paying for dandelion greens sounds like paying for bottled water to me. 

I am so pleased by how my little joke turned out and how it exposed someone filling up in gas station bathroom sinks.  Made my day.

For what it's worth (i.e. answering the joke as if it was serious, thus killing the joke, sorry), if you were to decide to eat dandelion greens, would you be able to find enough of them in your yard to make an actual meal out of them? Most of the weeds in my yard aren't actually dandelions. There's also the issue of whether the greens in your yard would be suitable for consumption. I don't pay enough attention to my yard to know whether there's, e.g. chemical runoff from the neighbor's yard that would make eating a dandelion unsafe or bad-tasting. (I doubt I'd enjoy eating a dandelion because I don't care for bitter greens; kale tastes awful to me.) And of course, some people don't have access to a yard that they could eat dandelions out of if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 20, 2021, 05:45:23 PM
1.  I don't really care who else has used the sink, considering the water would be going straight from the tap into my cup.  All that really matters is how sanitary the water supply is.  And, in that regard, why should I think my own house's water is any better?  Heck, I never test my own household water.
At least at home, I can trust that someone with dirty fingers didn't touch the part of the tap where the water comes out. And if they did, I could figure out who it was and get after them for it! See following discussion.

2.  A lot of places, especially big truck stops, post the cleaning schedule on the door or wall of the bathroom.  So yes, often I know the exact frequency the bathroom has been cleaned with.  And I guarantee they're cleaned more often than my own faucets at home.  In fact, you know what?  I have three kids, and my wife operates a licensed home daycare.  How many snot-nosed, grubby-fingered little ones have used my home sinks?  Besides, I'd wager that the products the bathroom staff uses to clean with are also more effective than what I have at home.
I would never assume that just because someone initialed that they had cleaned the bathroom last night - or two hours ago, or whatever - that that meant the sink was clean. Really, who knows what might have happened in the interim? Gas station bathrooms see a lot more traffic than the bathroom at home.

3.  If you think the water from a gas station bathroom sink is so unsanitary, then why do you wash your hands with it?  I assume that, when you wash your hands in that sink, you consider your hands to be clean enough to eat with.  Or do you always use hand sanitizer after washing your hands at a gas station?
It depends. I don't use gas station bathrooms that much; if I had to guess it's probably about 50/50 whether I use the sink or hand sanitizer. But washing your hands, with soap, and drying them, with that water, is a lot different than taking a big gulp of that water.


But OK, fine.
Bringing your own travel mug jug of water, filled from your kitchen sink, and just filling it up in the gas station bathroom sink your own travel mug as needed makes sense for car trips, too.
Is that better?
A marked improvement, yes.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 20, 2021, 05:47:50 PM
I don't.  I only said that it makes sense for car trips.  I personally try to drink as little as possible on car trips, and what I do drink is usually caffeinated.

Wait, so you went to all that bother to defend at great lengths a point that... doesn't even apply to you?  :confused:
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 20, 2021, 05:49:01 PM
At least at home, I can trust that someone with dirty fingers didn't touch the part of the tap where the water comes out. And if they did, I could figure out who it was and get after them for it!  :biggrin:

How would you know?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 20, 2021, 05:58:50 PM
At least at home, I can trust that someone with dirty fingers didn't touch the part of the tap where the water comes out. And if they did, I could figure out who it was and get after them for it!  :biggrin:

How would you know?

I wouldn't know with 100% certainty, but I trust everyone that I share the sink with to (a) have clean hands, and (b) not touch that part of the tap.

But really, that was a waste of a sentence, because I don't even drink water from the sink. I get it from the water dispenser in the fridge. I assume that's what most people do; it's always a bit of a surprise to find that people still have fridges without water dispensers.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 20, 2021, 06:09:24 PM

I don't.  I only said that it makes sense for car trips.  I personally try to drink as little as possible on car trips, and what I do drink is usually caffeinated.

Wait, so you went to all that bother to defend at great lengths a point that... doesn't even apply to you?  :confused:

Yes, because it makes little sense to me to assume gas station bathroom sink water is unsanitary.  I drink tap water all the time—at home, at work, at church, even in Mexico when/where I'm reasonably sure the water is city-treated.  I just don't think I've actually drunk tap water from a gas station bathroom.  But I would.  Hmmmm....  actually, I believe I once brushed my teeth in a gas station bathroom sink, and there are plenty of other people out there who do.  Think about OTR truck drivers, for example.


At least at home, I can trust that someone with dirty fingers didn't touch the part of the tap where the water comes out. And if they did, I could figure out who it was and get after them for it!  :biggrin:

How would you know?

Indeed.

Of course, as I've mentioned, I cannot be reasonably sure in my own house that someone with dirty fingers didn't touch where the water comes out.  On any given day, there are up to five children of varying hygiene levels using our sinks, and it's not like we stand there and watch them use the bathroom.

But even so, how would you know if someone with grubby fingers touched the aerator?



More to the point, though (of this side conversation, not the actual thread topic):  what would it matter if someone with grubby fingers did touch the spigot?  How many germs do you really think would end up in your drink?  I'd say you're taking a far greater risk just getting something to eat or drink at a restaurant:  did the cook wear gloves? did anyone sneeze near your order? et cetera?

I get it from the water dispenser in the fridge. I assume that's what most people do; it's always a bit of a surprise to find that people still have fridges without water dispensers.

I've never lived in a house with an in-fridge water dispenser.  Our current fridge is only a few months old, and it doesn't have one.

Do you drink from other people's in-fridge water dispensers?  If so, do you know how regularly they clean them?  Do you know what the mold situation is like in there?  I've cleaned out the black mold from my employer's commercial-sized ice maker before, so I'm under no illusion that some automatic dispenser is necessarily sanitary.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Rothman on May 20, 2021, 06:11:36 PM
Heh.  Now we're brushing teeth in the gas station restroom...just like who-knows just did before you. :D
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 20, 2021, 06:17:18 PM
I drink from my home faucets all the time and I never stopped using drinking founds this past year.  Considering my wife never changes the filter on the water dispenser in the fridge I don’t see us as being about on an even playing field. 
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 20, 2021, 06:29:39 PM
Yes, because it makes little sense to me to assume gas station bathroom sink water is unsanitary.

I'm not assuming the water is unsanitary, I'm assuming the sink is unsanitary.

Hmmmm....  actually, I believe I once brushed my teeth in a gas station bathroom sink, and there are plenty of other people out there who do.  Think about OTR truck drivers, for example.

Yeesh. That's exactly why I assume the sink is unsanitary!


I've never lived in a house with an in-fridge water dispenser.  Our current fridge is only a few months old, and it doesn't have one.

Do you drink from other people's in-fridge water dispensers? ...

Sure, I've had water from other people's fridge dispensers. It's a luxury (I guess?) that I kind of take for granted.

As for how sanitary they are, at least it's just dispensing drinking water, unlike a sink, which has who knows how many other functions, almost all of which are less sanitary than dispensing drinking water.

Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 20, 2021, 06:30:16 PM
Heh.  Now we're brushing teeth in the gas station restroom...just like who-knows just did before you. :D
Brushing teeth is different, you aren't drinking the water.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 20, 2021, 06:32:45 PM
We have a fridge with an in-fridge water dispenser, but it doesn't actually work. The fridge belonged to my wife before we were married, and it was in storage for a few years because she was living in places that came with their own fridge, so she didn't need it. Unfortunately, while it was in storage, one of the water lines got kinked and, because it was being stored in a hot place in Oklahoma, got brittle and broke. We could get the line replaced, but it's not really worth the hassle, since we wouldn't use it much anyway (it probably wouldn't fix the taste of the city water). I'm not even sure how we'd get it hooked up to the water to begin with, since the house was built in 1976, and fridges you needed to hook up to water lines weren't as common back then, so there's no water line there.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 20, 2021, 06:40:37 PM
Hmmmm....  actually, I believe I once brushed my teeth in a gas station bathroom sink, and there are plenty of other people out there who do.  Think about OTR truck drivers, for example.

Yeesh. That's exactly why I assume the sink is unsanitary!

You think the sink is unsanitary because...people brush their teeth in it? How does that affect the water coming out of the tap? People don't spit on the aerator.

If anything, a bathroom sink is unsanitary because of aerosolized poo from the toilet landing on the aerator. Doesn't stop most people from brushing their teeth there.

This whole discussion reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where Jerry's girlfriend gets mad at him for dropping her toothbrush in the toilet, so she tells him that she put something of his in the toilet, but she won't tell him what. After spending days sanitizing everything he owns, he finally breaks down and pleads with her to tell him what it was. She reveals it was the toilet brush. His reply? "Alright, I can replace that."
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 20, 2021, 07:22:30 PM
Hmmmm....  actually, I believe I once brushed my teeth in a gas station bathroom sink, and there are plenty of other people out there who do.  Think about OTR truck drivers, for example.

Yeesh. That's exactly why I assume the sink is unsanitary!

You think the sink is unsanitary because...people brush their teeth in it? How does that affect the water coming out of the tap? People don't spit on the aerator.

An unknown number of strangers brushing their teeth, and that's just one of many things the sink is used for. In short, I have no idea exactly what goes on in a public bathroom sink, so I assume it's unsanitary. Not a bold assumption by any stretch.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 20, 2021, 07:41:34 PM
How does anything that's going on affect the water quality, though?
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Rothman on May 20, 2021, 08:58:02 PM


Heh.  Now we're brushing teeth in the gas station restroom...just like who-knows just did before you. :D
Brushing teeth is different, you aren't drinking the water.

Takes two hands to untwist the toothpaste tube. :D
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 20, 2021, 08:59:58 PM
How does anything that's going on affect the water quality, though?

It doesn’t, it’s an artificial taint.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: vdeane on May 20, 2021, 09:52:45 PM
Hmmmm....  actually, I believe I once brushed my teeth in a gas station bathroom sink, and there are plenty of other people out there who do.  Think about OTR truck drivers, for example.

Yeesh. That's exactly why I assume the sink is unsanitary!

You think the sink is unsanitary because...people brush their teeth in it? How does that affect the water coming out of the tap? People don't spit on the aerator.

If anything, a bathroom sink is unsanitary because of aerosolized poo from the toilet landing on the aerator. Doesn't stop most people from brushing their teeth there.

This whole discussion reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where Jerry's girlfriend gets mad at him for dropping her toothbrush in the toilet, so she tells him that she put something of his in the toilet, but she won't tell him what. After spending days sanitizing everything he owns, he finally breaks down and pleads with her to tell him what it was. She reveals it was the toilet brush. His reply? "Alright, I can replace that."
I've actually gotten most of my drinking water from the bathroom sink as of late.  Ever since maintenance fixed the dripping in my kitchen sink, the water from it has tasted funny.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 21, 2021, 07:54:08 AM
How does anything that's going on affect the water quality, though?

It doesn’t, it’s an artificial taint.

I wasn't saying there's anything wrong with the water quality. Just that the general environment of a gas station bathroom sink seems like an unsanitary place to be getting your drinking water from.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2021, 08:15:43 AM
How does anything that's going on affect the water quality, though?

It doesn’t, it’s an artificial taint.

I wasn't saying there's anything wrong with the water quality. Just that the general environment of a gas station bathroom sink seems like an unsanitary place to be getting your drinking water from.

But no more dirty than an average drinking fountain or refrigerator dispenser in reality, hence why perception belies reality.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: GaryV on May 21, 2021, 09:02:57 AM
In my area, water/drinking fountains (bubblers for those west of here who insist) have been blocked off because of Covid.  It must mean that fountains are less than sanitary, else why bother?  (Not sure how that logic applies to an airborne disease, but that's just one lapse in logic.)
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 09:23:32 AM
In my area, water/drinking fountains (bubblers for those west of here who insist) have been blocked off because of Covid.  It must mean that fountains are less than sanitary, else why bother?  (Not sure how that logic applies to an airborne disease, but that's just one lapse in logic.)
I don't think surface transmission is a big issue so I don't now why they are still blocked off.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 21, 2021, 09:25:25 AM
How does anything that's going on affect the water quality, though?

It doesn’t, it’s an artificial taint.

I wasn't saying there's anything wrong with the water quality. Just that the general environment of a gas station bathroom sink seems like an unsanitary place to be getting your drinking water from.

But no more dirty than an average drinking fountain or refrigerator dispenser in reality, hence why perception belies reality.

I think it's very safe to say that a gas station bathroom sink is dirtier and less sanitary than the spot where I'd be putting my cup/mug to get water from a fridge dispenser. It's a function of how much it gets used and what it gets used for.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 10:16:08 AM
How does anything that's going on affect the water quality, though?

It doesn’t, it’s an artificial taint.

I wasn't saying there's anything wrong with the water quality. Just that the general environment of a gas station bathroom sink seems like an unsanitary place to be getting your drinking water from.

But no more dirty than an average drinking fountain or refrigerator dispenser in reality, hence why perception belies reality.

I think it's very safe to say that a gas station bathroom sink is dirtier and less sanitary than the spot where I'd be putting my cup/mug to get water from a fridge dispenser. It's a function of how much it gets used and what it gets used for.
Also, those are your germs at the fridge dispenser most of the time.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: vdeane on May 21, 2021, 01:26:29 PM
I doubt the dispenser is any safer than the kitchen sink.  Probably less safe even, because at least most people know the kitchen sink needs to be cleaned periodically.  Any mold spores and whatnot floating in the air aren't any less likely to grow in the dispenser than in the sink.

This whole discussion reminds me of how one of my high school teachers liked to talk about how the toilets were cleaner than the desks, because those get cleaned every night and the desks don't (this brought on when people would eat their lunch or snacks in class).

In my area, water/drinking fountains (bubblers for those west of here who insist) have been blocked off because of Covid.  It must mean that fountains are less than sanitary, else why bother?  (Not sure how that logic applies to an airborne disease, but that's just one lapse in logic.)
I don't think surface transmission is a big issue so I don't now why they are still blocked off.
That's another perception vs. reality thing.  While surface transmission is now acknowledged to not be a big issue, early in the pandemic the experts talked as if it was the main issue, and people internalized that and don't feel safe if they don't see precautions for (mostly not a problem in reality) surface transmission.  Heck, I even had someone without a mask on yell at me for moving her laundry "during a pandemic" when I needed a machine and she had used all of them.  Then she got very angry when I pointed out how ridiculous that was (if she was so worried about COVID, where was her mask?), given that it was quite clear by that point that not only is surface transmission not a big issue, but that COVID spreads through the air and the 6' rule is mostly a placebo indoors.

Plus one of my co-workers only just stopped wiping down her groceries, now that she and her husband are fully vaccinated and 2/3 of her kids are eligible.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 21, 2021, 02:47:08 PM

Yes, because it makes little sense to me to assume gas station bathroom sink water is unsanitary.

I'm not assuming the water is unsanitary, I'm assuming the sink is unsanitary.

Why do you care if the sink is sanitary?  If I'm filling a cup from a tap, my cup doesn't even touch the sink!  I just hold it in mid-air under the faucet.

Do you fill cups differently somehow?  Like, drag the lip of the cup along the inside of the sink bowl first?

There could be cigarette butts and used tampons and day-old hot dogs sitting in the sink, but that wouldn't really affect the sanitation of the water coming out of the tap.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: renegade on May 21, 2021, 03:35:59 PM
Somehow, this thread has little to do with dandelions now.  Funny how that happens.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: GaryV on May 21, 2021, 03:51:05 PM
Somehow, this thread has little to do with dandelions now.  Funny how that happens.

Maybe we need to water the dandelions using water from the gas station sink ........
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 21, 2021, 03:56:29 PM
Somehow, this thread has little to do with dandelions now.  Funny how that happens.

Welcome to AARoads!
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 04:39:39 PM
Somehow, this thread has little to do with dandelions now.  Funny how that happens.
And you are the only one that cares.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Rothman on May 21, 2021, 06:02:11 PM
I suddenly have an urge to urinate in the gas station sink.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2021, 06:21:39 PM
I suddenly have an urge to urinate in the gas station sink.

Fun facts about the “supposed” sterile nature of urine:

https://www.healthline.com/health/is-urine-sterile#the-myth
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 06:28:35 PM
I suddenly have an urge to urinate in the gas station sink.
Please don't.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2021, 06:44:07 PM
I suddenly have an urge to urinate in the gas station sink.
Please don't.

Sometimes you have to make due with what you got in an emergency. 
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: dlsterner on May 21, 2021, 07:29:07 PM
I suddenly have an urge to urinate in the gas station sink.
Please don't.
Ever been to a rock concert in a venue with an inadequate number of men's rooms?  Sinks frequently end up being urinals.  (Yeahhh ... I can wait until I get home to wash my hands...)

(Before anyone says anything ... no, I've never done that personally)
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 21, 2021, 07:36:18 PM
I suddenly have an urge to urinate in the gas station sink.
Please don't.
Ever been to a rock concert in a venue with an inadequate number of men's rooms?  Sinks frequently end up being urinals.  (Yeahhh ... I can wait until I get home to wash my hands...)

(Before anyone says anything ... no, I've never done that personally)
I'd rather you just use the floor.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: webny99 on May 21, 2021, 08:16:17 PM
We should be thankful that most restrooms in this country have individual urinals, and often even dividers! Troughs are common in other parts of the world.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2021, 08:32:26 PM
We should be thankful that most restrooms in this country have individual urinals, and often even dividers! Troughs are common in other parts of the world.

Shy guy syndrome?  In Mexico you have to pay to use public restrooms.  Even the stalls often lack doors and seats often.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Rothman on May 21, 2021, 10:32:12 PM
I suddenly have an urge to urinate in the gas station sink.
Please don't.

Sometimes you have to make due with what you got in an emergency.
Any port in a storm.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 21, 2021, 10:38:53 PM
I suddenly have an urge to urinate in the gas station sink.
Please don't.

Sometimes you have to make due with what you got in an emergency.
Any port in a storm.

Speaking of that, it is pretty much a standard practice to fill things like sinks and tubs with water as part of preparation for a hurricane. 
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Rothman on May 22, 2021, 01:57:55 PM
I suddenly have an urge to urinate in the gas station sink.
Please don't.

Sometimes you have to make due with what you got in an emergency.
Any port in a storm.

Speaking of that, it is pretty much a standard practice to fill things like sinks and tubs with water as part of preparation for a hurricane.
Best sanitize them first. :D
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: 1995hoo on May 22, 2021, 02:26:50 PM
In what way are you scared of dandelions? Like do you think they’re going to jump out and eat you?  :-D

I like the yellow dandelions, but the gray ones are annoying.
Saw this yesterday afternoon while out for a walk. The ground there looked like it had snowed, but I think it was all grey dandelion gunk.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210522/6c2d87303c706b9caf6b685ab7bc9e15.jpg)
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: Scott5114 on May 22, 2021, 03:26:27 PM
In what way are you scared of dandelions? Like do you think they’re going to jump out and eat you?  :-D

I like the yellow dandelions, but the gray ones are annoying.
Saw this yesterday afternoon while out for a walk. The ground there looked like it had snowed, but I think it was all grey dandelion gunk.

My yard has had the same problem in the last couple of weeks, but with cottonwood fuzz.
Title: Re: Dandelions
Post by: kphoger on May 28, 2021, 03:23:23 PM



I suddenly have an urge to urinate in the gas station sink.

Please don't.

Ever been to a rock concert in a venue with an inadequate number of men's rooms?  Sinks frequently end up being urinals.  (Yeahhh ... I can wait until I get home to wash my hands...)

(Before anyone says anything ... no, I've never done that personally)

I'd rather you just use the floor.

So everyone else can step in his urine and then track the germs everywhere their shoes go?

My yard has had the same problem in the last couple of weeks, but with cottonwood fuzz.

Same here.  Cottonwood seeds, not dandelion spores.