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Re: Montana
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2021, 01:51:13 PM »

There have been reservations for parts of national parks for years. You can't just show up and expect to get a camping site without a reservation. You can't just expect to start a multi-day backpacking hike without reserving camping sites, and can't just camp wherever you want.

The fact is, whether you like it or not, the National Park Service has the obligation to protect the park and preserve it, not "the responsibility of the individual". There is no "right" to unlimited access to the park just because you say so. The NPS has the obligation to determine whether or not current visitor loads are too excessive for the park, and to put restrictions in place to ensure the integrity of the park.

Also, the reservation is not a specific time for entrance. It's a reservation that lasts for 7 days, and you can enter and leave as many times as you want during that period. This isn't a big deal, and it won't restrict people from visiting the park, so long as they do just a tiny bit of planning ahead.
Iíll respond to this later as a lot of what you said is just borderline strawmans but never once did I claim you can camp anywhere you want and nor did I claim you are guaranteed camping. I spent around 100 days camping last year Iím pretty familiar with it and Iíll respond more in detail in a bit.
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Re: Montana
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2021, 02:02:15 PM »

PS Iím just going to create a new thread for this cause I realize I have hijacked thread sorry but this is an issue but I care deeply about.
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Re: Montana
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2021, 03:08:17 PM »

Iíll respond to this later as a lot of what you said is just borderline strawmans but never once did I claim you can camp anywhere you want and nor did I claim you are guaranteed camping. I spent around 100 days camping last year Iím pretty familiar with it and Iíll respond more in detail in a bit.

Nothing strawman about my argument. There are precedents within the NPS for how many people can use certain aspects of the park at a time, and reservations are required to ensure that. They're just implementing reservations for how many people can drive the Going-to-the-Sun Road, as the reservations are only for private vehicle access through the West and St. Mary's entrances of the park between Memorial Day and Labor Day. You can walk or bike through those entrances without a reservation. You can stay in the hotels in the park and the reservation for that stay covers the reservation for the entrance. You can ride the classic red bus into the park and that covers the reservation. So no strawman here, just showing precedent for reservations within NPS.
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Re: Montana
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2021, 03:25:31 PM »

I think one solution to the problem of overcrowded national parks that doesn't involve reservations is simply to limit capacity at the entrances - something along the lines of "we aren't allowed to let more than X cars into the park in a Y minute span".

Arches had to do this last week. Other than the resulting long line to enter the park, it seemed to work just fine.

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Re: Montana
« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2021, 06:49:00 PM »

Also, the reservation is not a specific time for entrance. It's a reservation that lasts for 7 days, and you can enter and leave as many times as you want during that period. This isn't a big deal, and it won't restrict people from visiting the park, so long as they do just a tiny bit of planning ahead.

This isn't entirely accurate. While yes, one entry is valid for 7 days, you MUST enter the park on the specific day you make the reservation for. So if you make a reservation for July 10, you MUST enter the park on July 10. You can return as many times as you want from the 11th through the 16th (assuming they aren't turning people away because it's at capacity), but ONLY if you entered the park on the 10th. You can't make a reservation for the 10th and then not show up until the 14th.

And the above is only true for Glacier. Rocky Mountain is doing timed entries this summer - you have to reserve a 2 hour window to arrive within.

I visited some national parks with reservations last year, and I'll be visiting more this year (including Glacier). The reservations are annoying, but I think they're necessary given how crowded they've gotten. My only real complaint is that reservations MUST be made online (which excludes anyone without internet access), and how NPS insists they're free, then turns around and charges you a $2 fee to make one.

I definitely prefer a reservation system over just limiting capacity at the entrance though. It's much more conducive to visiting parks as part of a cross-country road trip, especially if you just want to drive through.
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Re: Montana
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2021, 08:02:23 PM »

I made a thread here for discussing reservations and public lands access.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=28984.msg2593987#new
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Re: Montana
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2021, 09:29:07 AM »

The old US-10 bridge over the Yellowstone River east of Reed Point that was in danger of collapse is almost gone. As of this morning, all of the truss sections have been dismantled. The bridge pier (Pier 4) that was in danger of failing due to scour has been removed, as has been Pier 5 and the northern abutment. All that remains is the southern abutment, a short span from that abutment to Pier 2, and Pier 3. I'm figuring that within the next couple of weeks what's left of the bridge will be gone, and the contractor will start cleaning up.

The Montana Department of Transportation has set up a webcam with an image archive so you can watch the bridge as it's dismantled.

http://www.montanadotwebcams.com/silver.htm
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Re: Montana
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2021, 02:54:09 PM »

Downtown Billings sees conversion of one-way streets to two-way traffic on North 29th and North 30th Streets as of June 23, 2021. This is based on a study suggesting changes to the street grid: https://downtownbillings.com/wp-content/uploads/Downtown-Traffic-Study.pdf. More information in the following article:

https://www.kulr8.com/community/two-way-street-conversions-in-downtown-billings/article_c6a6ebb4-d4a3-11eb-9541-87996074ff7e.html

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If you're heading to work on North 29th or North 30th Street, get ready to see traffic coming the other way Thursday (6/24/21). Both streets are being opened to two-way traffic now.

"We're implementing part of that plan, and we're kind of doing that in pieces, as budgets allow," City Engineer Mac Fogelson said.

That'll be the case between 6th Avenue North and Montana Avenue, as well. And there are even more plans for two-way traffic conversion.

"2nd and 3rd, from either Division all the way to 22nd, might be converted long term," Fogelson said.

City officials say this has been in the works since 2019, and several businesses along these streets have wanted the two-way roads for awhile.

"One of the benefits of the two-way traffic is to promote business access. So, everyone's experienced having to drive around the block with the one way traffic," Fogelson said.

You'll see signs for parking spots you have to back into. Officials say these will help in the long run and make it easier for passengers to get out of their vehicles.

"We've all experienced that feeling of backing out into traffic, and you're behind the big F250, and you have no idea what's coming," Fogelson said.
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Re: Montana
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2021, 03:10:26 PM »

This article outlines the process to design and construct the Hungry Horse Bridge on U.S. 2 over the South Fork of the Flathead River. The bridge opened to traffic in 2018.

http://www.montana.edu/news/mountainsandminds/21174/calculating-a-connection

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On highway 2 near the small town of Hungry Horse, a bridge crosses the South Fork of the Flathead River. At 840 feet long and nearly 50 feet tall, itís big as Montana bridges go. When completed in 2018, not even a cold December rain could deter people from gathering to celebrate. After more than five years of intense engineering and construction, the new bridge replaced a narrow one from the 1930s and fixed a hazardous bend in the highway. At the opening ceremony, local families listened to a state transportation official describe the project as an investment in safety. Bicyclists grinned as they tried out new bike lanes. Santa Claus made an appearance, and some revelers even danced on the freshly cured concrete. An hour or so later, traffic was rerouted and the first cars drove across.

Over the lifetime of the new Hungry Horse bridge, some will surely delight in its smooth, banking curve. Many, remembering the old span, will breathe a bit easier. Lives may be saved. Yet millions of people, heading to Glacier National Park or just going about their day, will zoom over the river without batting an eye. A hardworking highway bridge succeeds by largely going unnoticed. It is not fancy but economical. Surviving an earthquake or a flood, it doesnít make the news. It is almost designed to be taken for granted.

As with other everyday wonders, however, knowing all that goes into a bridgeís creation can inspire a fuller appreciation. The story of the Hungry Horse bridge is one of not only routine calculations but also moments of insight, of problem-solving and massive machines. And itís the story of several Montana State University civil engineering graduates whose paths converged on a project that would test their skills and determination. Their story is of a bridge that may appear ordinary but is in many ways exceptional.

ďIíve seen a lot of bridges,Ē said Zac Zupan, who earned his bachelorís and masterís degrees in civil engineering at MSU and served as Sletten Constructionís project manager for the Hungry Horse bridge. ďAs far as Iím concerned, this is one of the coolest bridges in the state.Ē
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Re: Montana
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2021, 09:03:22 PM »

Downtown Billings sees conversion of one-way streets to two-way traffic on North 29th and North 30th Streets as of June 23, 2021. This is based on a study suggesting changes to the street grid: https://downtownbillings.com/wp-content/uploads/Downtown-Traffic-Study.pdf. More information in the following article:

Interesting that they're doing this. It makes sense, actually. Montana and 1st Avenues, and 4th and 6th Avenues as one-way pairs are great because they get you through downtown fairly quickly. The north-south one-way pairs are more of a nuisance than benefit.
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