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College football teams mired in mediocrity
« on: October 08, 2021, 03:04:34 PM »

How sad, but true, that a handful of college football teams have doled out handfuls of mediocre seasons that don't amount to a whole lot in the grand scheme of things. This applies to FBS and 1-AA/FCS teams.

Montana? Yep. Ever since that awful scandal in 2012, Montana has not been the powerhouse 1-AA team people heard about in the past. How much longer is this mediocrity going to continue before Kent Haslam wakes his sorry ass up and shakes up the Montana locker room and gets these boys back to a winning atmosphere? I don't know that for sure.

U-Conn makes this case, as if the loss to Holy Cross wasn't any more apparent.

Let's see. How about UCLA and USC? Oh, yes.

Know of any more teams miring its fandom in mediocrity?
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2021, 04:10:45 PM »

Kansas, Vandy

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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2021, 04:19:51 PM »

I'm going to a UNLV game next week, but it's mostly to see an event in Allegiant Stadium and check that place out.  You would think UNLV would be an attractive school for football players but they have had a good team basically never.

I am a University of California, Berkeley alum.  We were great in the 1920s leather helmet era.  We were still very successful on the field post-WWII through the 1950s.  Then Berkeley got sidetracked with other issues and football has never been the same.  There have been a few sporadic successes, particularly when we had Aaron Rodgers and Marshawn Lynch with Jeff Tedford's early teams, but the sad fact is the upcoming January 1 Rose Bowl will be the 63rd consecutive Rose Bowl without Cal playing in it.
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2021, 04:21:37 PM »

It seems like UConn was cursed by early success in joining div 1-A, with an NFL-caliber QB and RB, good coaching, and the feeling that since they created a champion in basketball, they could do the same in football. The first decade was a lot of fun:

2002: beat Iowa State 37-20 on the road; football fans in general were saying "what the f--k?"
2003: 9-3 season, though the schedule was not tough
2004: beat Pitt on the way to 8-4 record and a bowl game win
2007: beat two top 25 teams; peaked at #13 ranking; 9-4 record
2009: beat Notre Dame in South Bend; beat South Carolina 20-7 on Jan. 2 bowl game
2010: Big East conference co-champion; play in a BCS bowl (Oklahoma kicks their ass, but not a surprise)

That all seems very distant now.
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2021, 04:51:46 PM »

UMass wishes it could be mediocre
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2021, 04:55:57 PM »

Minnesota, with the longest drought of any B1G team in Rose Bowl appearances (excluding Maryland and Rutgers; Nebraska appeared as a member of the Big 12). Yes, even Indiana has been to a Rose Bowl more recently than Minnesota has.
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2021, 05:17:19 PM »

Many of the teams mentioned need to win quite a bit more often in order to reach mediocrity
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2021, 05:33:24 PM »

Minnesota, with the longest drought of any B1G team in Rose Bowl appearances (excluding Maryland and Rutgers; Nebraska appeared as a member of the Big 12). Yes, even Indiana has been to a Rose Bowl more recently than Minnesota has.
I'd say the entire Big Ten West except for Wisconsin and Iowa has been mired in mediocrity lately.
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2021, 05:46:26 PM »

Good academics and mediocre football is much better than vice versa.
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2021, 05:54:35 PM »

If weíre talking teams that are hardly ever in the Top 25 then the likes of; Purdue, Illinois, Rutgers, Maryland and West Virginia come to mind out of the Big Ten.  Indiana, Minnesota and Northwestern seem to have a competitive team every couple years as of late. 
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2021, 07:07:06 PM »

Kansas, Vandy
These two are terrible, not mediocre.

Better examples would be Wake Forest, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, and Texas Tech.
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2021, 07:09:09 PM »

Good academics and mediocre football is much better than vice versa.

The value of both is debatable these days. 
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2021, 07:11:08 PM »

Good academics and mediocre football is much better than vice versa.
A college degree is a college degree. Whether or not you have one and what itís for matter way more than where itís from.
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2021, 07:15:24 PM »

Good academics and mediocre football is much better than vice versa.
A college degree is a college degree. Whether or not you have one and what itís for matter way more than where itís from.

I would be more concerned with debt accumulated to obtain said degree versus return on investment via career options. 
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2021, 07:40:16 AM »

One day, the Nebraska fan base might wake up and discover they're mediocre now and then stop selling out every game.
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2021, 08:39:10 AM »

Good academics and mediocre football is much better than vice versa.
A college degree is a college degree. Whether or not you have one and what itís for matter way more than where itís from.

I would be more concerned with debt accumulated to obtain said degree versus return on investment via career options.
Which is the exact reason why I'm baffled that people choose the Ivy League.
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2021, 08:42:38 AM »

Good academics and mediocre football is much better than vice versa.
A college degree is a college degree. Whether or not you have one and what itís for matter way more than where itís from.

I would be more concerned with debt accumulated to obtain said degree versus return on investment via career options.
Which is the exact reason why I'm baffled that people choose the Ivy League.

While it's not actually an Ivy League school, I applied for MIT and didn't get in. They'll make sure you can afford it even if you don't have that much money. Unless you have a lot of money already, it actually costs a lot more to go to the easy-to-graduate schools (e.g. University of Phoenix).
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2021, 10:00:10 AM »

Good academics and mediocre football is much better than vice versa.
A college degree is a college degree. Whether or not you have one and what it’s for matter way more than where it’s from.

I would be more concerned with debt accumulated to obtain said degree versus return on investment via career options.
Which is the exact reason why I'm baffled that people choose the Ivy League.

Prestige. I have family in the northeast and every time I talk about this kind of thing with them, it sounds like the upper-class society there places a whole lot of value on how prestigious of a college you went to. And whether you get in and at which schools often depends on how well-connected you and your family are.

Hell, the same thing happens with high schools. Wealthy parents will pay tens of thousands of dollars for their kids to go to highly selective high schools, many of which are boarding schools. Just a very different culture than we have out west.

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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2021, 10:12:33 AM »

Good academics and mediocre football is much better than vice versa.
A college degree is a college degree. Whether or not you have one and what itís for matter way more than where itís from.

I would be more concerned with debt accumulated to obtain said degree versus return on investment via career options.
Which is the exact reason why I'm baffled that people choose the Ivy League.

Prestige. I have family in the northeast and every time I talk about this kind of thing with them, it sounds like the upper-class society there places a whole lot of value on how prestigious of a college you went to. And whether you get in and at which schools often depends on how well-connected you and your family are.

Hell, the same thing happens with high schools. Wealthy parents will pay tens of thousands of dollars for their kids to go to highly selective high schools, many of which are boarding schools. Just a very different culture than we have out west.

I'm going to share a fun story about "fake prestige"

Had two friends in life that each had an MS in special ed and became special ed teachers.

One spent six years at BC, racked up over $250K in debt, got a job teaching special ed in Marlboro, MA.

The other, spent 4 years undergrad at Bridgewater State, 2 years grad at Salem State. Since this was the early 2000's and the state had a teacher shortage, her 4 years at Bridgewater State were 100% paid for. She racked up $15K in debt at Salem State. She got a job teaching special ed in Haverhill, MA.

Two people taking two different routes to get to the same exact point, where one wasted a ton of money on the prestige, but a school system in reality doesn't give two buffalo turds as to where you got your degree because the difference is nearly meaningless. Now for different majors maybe it's different, but I'm going to de damned if we have to comp these outstanding bills for people who thought more about prestige instead of common sense.
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2021, 10:59:59 AM »

One spent six years at BC, racked up over $250K in debt, got a job teaching special ed in Marlboro, MA.

This doesn't sound right. I believe my debt is about $40K, 5 1/2 years, and as I said, really good schools (this doesn't include mine) make sure that you're able to afford it if you're low income. (I live at home and commute to campus, but that shouldn't make a 6◊ difference.)
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2021, 01:33:14 PM »

One spent six years at BC, racked up over $250K in debt, got a job teaching special ed in Marlboro, MA.
This doesn't sound right. I believe my debt is about $40K, 5 1/2 years, and as I said, really good schools (this doesn't include mine) make sure that you're able to afford it if you're low income. (I live at home and commute to campus, but that shouldn't make a 6◊ difference.)
As someone who went to a fairly selective private university (and then flunked out) trust me, plenty of debt can be accummulated going to an expensive private school that likes to claim that ďyouíre able to afford itĒ - sure, with 50-100k$ of debt notes. I paid off all my remaining debt the last year or two/Iím in my late 30s

Glad I didnít finish the degree. I enjoy working outside in the trades, anyway. Not sure what life would have looked like with a degree and an office job, and really, I donít care to know at this point
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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2021, 10:18:45 PM »

Good academics and mediocre football is much better than vice versa.
A college degree is a college degree. Whether or not you have one and what itís for matter way more than where itís from.

I would be more concerned with debt accumulated to obtain said degree versus return on investment via career options.
Which is the exact reason why I'm baffled that people choose the Ivy League.

While it's not actually an Ivy League school, I applied for MIT and didn't get in. They'll make sure you can afford it even if you don't have that much money. Unless you have a lot of money already, it actually costs a lot more to go to the easy-to-graduate schools (e.g. University of Phoenix).
Getting OT, just going to MIT got me my NJDOT internship (I cold called, they said they don't do internships but when I mentioned where I'm from they said hold on a moment)... which introduced me to people at my current company... who then recognized my resume when I applied there for an internship. I never actually interviewed for a job in my life!

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Re: College football teams mired in mediocrity
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2021, 07:35:45 AM »

One spent six years at BC, racked up over $250K in debt, got a job teaching special ed in Marlboro, MA.

This doesn't sound right. I believe my debt is about $40K, 5 1/2 years, and as I said, really good schools (this doesn't include mine) make sure that you're able to afford it if you're low income. (I live at home and commute to campus, but that shouldn't make a 6◊ difference.)

How does it not sound right? The school cost about $50K/year at the time. That's $300K in tuition. BC is Boston College if that's what your confused on, which is very much not a state school. Schools do not give two craps about whether you can afford it or not. They literally have no interest or concern in where your financial state is when you are done.
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