Child routes longer than their parent routes

[roadman65]

I know this may raise contraversy, but US 202 is longer than the eastern segment of US 2 where it branches off from.  We talked about it on another thread, but many consider both segments of US 2 as one whole route.

To not create it, I emphasized its longer than its eastern segment, but not longer than its national run.

[hbelkins]

US 491's parent is really US 66, who are we kidding.

The problem with moving a couple of times and not unboxing everything is that you forget where you put stuff. Somewhere I have photos my brother took of "Old 666, New 491" signs from the Durango area not long after the change was made.

[xonhulu]

The problem with moving a couple of times and not unboxing everything is that you forget where you put stuff. Somewhere I have photos my brother took of "Old 666, New 491" signs from the Durango area not long after the change was made.

I'm surprised there would be 666/491 signage in Durango, as neither route went through there.  Do you mean Cortez instead?

These were from Monticello, UT:

[Alps]

I know this may raise contraversy, but US 202 is longer than the eastern segment of US 2 where it branches off from.  We talked about it on another thread, but many consider both segments of US 2 as one whole route.

To not create it, I emphasized its longer than its eastern segment, but not longer than its national run.

You didn't have to post this at all, as I had started the thread with it...

[Alps]

I'll agree that it fits according to the letter of the law, but functionally, I think you'd have to say that 191 is 491's parent, not 91, particularly given the second sentence of your post.

True, and I had almost added that to the post. Another route like that is US 701, which I consider a child of US 301 rather than US 1, although it is tangentially connected to 1 via 301 or 501.

So does that make 491 and 701 "grandchildren" routes?

Do we need a new grandchildren thread? I-990 and I-495 in NY are other examples. Then you have the x78s in Queens and Brooklyn. I-478 used to connect to I-78, so call that a child. That makes I-278 a grandchild, which makes I-678 a great-grandchild, which makes I-878 a great great grandchild!!

[NE2]

But I-878 is a renaming of part of I-78. We're getting close to grandfather paradox territory.

[xonhulu]

Do we need a new grandchildren thread? I-990 and I-495 in NY are other examples. Then you have the x78s in Queens and Brooklyn. I-478 used to connect to I-78, so call that a child. That makes I-278 a grandchild, which makes I-678 a great-grandchild, which makes I-878 a great great grandchild!!

Seems to me that a couple years back, there was a thread on unusual relationships between highways.  It was pretty funny; I should go back and re-read it for a good laugh.

[hbelkins]

Yeah, and it may actually have been the Utah signs that my brother photographed.

Notice the stencil marks in the 6's and 9's in those route markers.

[roadman65]

What would US 412 be to US 12 then, a very distant relative???
Then US 400 would have to be an orphan cause he has no parent.
US 101 would be an imposter, assuming a two digit idenity for a three digit number.

[national highway 1]

But I-878 is a renaming of part of I-78. We're getting close to grandfather paradox territory.

Indeed. See the the relationship between Philip J. Fry and Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth in Futurama as an example.

[national highway 1]

US 281 is longer than US 81.

[Quillz]

CA-330 is now technically longer than CA-30, as the latter no longer exists. I also believe CA-371 is a longer remnant of the old CA-71, which today remains only as a short Pomona expressway.

I also always saw CA-1, rightly or wrongly, as sort of a child of US-101. Which is odd, it's one of the few instances I can think of where the 3-digit route is of more importance than a similar numbered and located 1/2-digit route.

[TheStranger]

CA-330 is now technically longer than CA-30, as the latter no longer exists. I also believe CA-371 is a longer remnant of the old CA-71, which today remains only as a short Pomona expressway.

The remaining Route 71 is 16 miles long, while 371 is 20 - so while 371 is longer, it's not a massive difference.

[Kacie Jane]

I also always saw CA-1, rightly or wrongly, as sort of a child of US-101. Which is odd, it's one of the few instances I can think of where the 3-digit route is of more importance than a similar numbered and located 1/2-digit route.

Probably more of a cousin than a child -- to build on the eariler "grandchildren" conversation.  Definitely related, but not an offspring.

[Mark68]

I was wondering about some of the western 3dus routes like 395, 287, etc. Neither of those work.

I'm pretty sure US-730 is longer than US-30

Probably only if you discount the US 30 mileage while it's overlapped on I-84.

[xonhulu]

Probably only if you discount the US 30 mileage while it's overlapped on I-84.

Even only counting US 30's independent mileage in Oregon alone, it's still quite a bit longer than US 730.  Nationally, not even close.  I think the comment was a joke.

[Mark68]

Probably only if you discount the US 30 mileage while it's overlapped on I-84.

Even only counting US 30's independent mileage in Oregon alone, it's still quite a bit longer than US 730.  Nationally, not even close.  I think the comment was a joke.

Yeah...I thought that after I posted it.

[Bruce]

Resurrecting this old topic to post an example that was surprisingly not here before:

WA-231 is 75 miles, while its parent WA-23 is 66 miles. And WA-23 is mostly a diagonal route, so perhaps it should have been split between the spur and mainline.

[SkyPesos]

I-238 

[TheHighwayMan3561]

The interesting thing about the previously mentioned US 81/281 is that even if you restore the truncated mileage on US 81, 281 was still longer.

[SkyPesos]

The interesting thing about the previously mentioned US 81/281 is that even if you restore the truncated mileage on US 81, 281 was still longer.

I can see it. McAllen is farther south than Laredo.

[jlam]

Technically, Future I-587 is longer than North Carolina's I-87, but I-587 hasn't been signed yet, and I-87 hasn't been completed to the Hampton Roads area. Count it if you want to.

[US20IL64]

I-238 

They ran out of 3 digit routes for I-80, I think. Maybe should bring out 4 digits and be I-1180?   
Or, maybe should be another extension of I-76?   

[sprjus4]

Technically, Future I-587 is longer than North Carolina's I-87, but I-587 hasn't been signed yet, and I-87 hasn't been completed to the Hampton Roads area. Count it if you want to.

I-587 doesn't exist yet. I-87 exists for 13 miles.

This will change, however, once the portion of US-264 east of I-95 is designated.

[NWI_Irish96]

US 421 is longer than US 21.

Only example in Indiana.

I would guess SR 129 is longer than SR 29. Also, you could count the child routes of state roads that no longer even exist - for example SR 21 (SR 121), SR 34 (SR 134, 234, 334).

Most all 3 digit Indiana state roads are children of a 2 digit parent US or state road (or Interstate in interim situations). The main exception I can think of is SR 135 which is not a child of US 35.

You're right IN 135 is not a child of US 35, it's what IN 35 got renumbered to when US 35 came into existence.

I think there could be a larger discussion about whether Indiana's 3d routes are truly child routes, but if they are, then

129 is longer than 29. Didn't find any others.