Traffic signal

[jakeroot]

This has gotta be the dumbest signal placement I've ever seen.

Port Orchard, WA: https://goo.gl/maps/bz42qAuWqtjZJDRo8


Bizarre signal placement by Jacob Root, on Flickr

[SkyPesos]

^ When the sign showing the cross street is in a better placement than the traffic signal... Normally, it's the inverse from what I've seen 

[plain]

Everything about that intersection is fucked up. Usually I'm not a fan of wire spans but in this case they definitely should've went that route. Or they could've ground mounted a couple a signals there. But that island needs to go.

[roadfro]

Those signal heads are way out of the MUTCD cone of vision. My god did they do that signal on the cheap.

[Amtrakprod]

I found this in another DDI (in another state). How common are red "straight" arrows in the US? I've always seen green straight arrows used with a red ball, even with left or right red arrows.

They're something id like to be adopted. Here's an example in my town:


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[jakeroot]

Those signal heads are way out of the MUTCD cone of vision. My god did they do that signal on the cheap.

Everything about that intersection is fucked up. Usually I'm not a fan of wire spans but in this case they definitely should've went that route. Or they could've ground mounted a couple a signals there. But that island needs to go.

^ When the sign showing the cross street is in a better placement than the traffic signal... Normally, it's the inverse from what I've seen 

I was informed by a local engineer that it's being converted to a roundabout shortly, so it'll be history soon enough anyways.

[fwydriver405]

Question, for a (single lane) right turn, if you have both a circular red signal on one signal and a red right turn arrow on another signal at the same time, would the RTOR apply (if the circular signal trumps the arrow), or would if be NTOR (if the arrow trumps the circular signal)? This is under the assumption the state prohibits all turns on red arrows.

In that situation I've always treated that situation as NTOR even with the conflicting signals. Two examples that are like this:

Augusta ME, this has been like this for 10+ years. BUILD GRANT isn't even fixing this configuration... (one circular signal and one all arrow signal)

St Helena CA, former condition until it was fixed. The PD there stated that two circular signals would overrule one arrow, even though a right on red is legal here anyway...

[SignBridge]

I would say if the state in question prohibits right-on-red arrow, then if a red arrow is displayed, the turn on red is prohibited regardless of other factors, unless a posted sign specifically allows the turn.

[ErmineNotyours]

Question, for a (single lane) right turn, if you have both a circular red signal on one signal and a red right turn arrow on another signal at the same time, would the RTOR apply (if the circular signal trumps the arrow), or would if be NTOR (if the arrow trumps the circular signal)? This is under the assumption the state prohibits all turns on red arrows.

In that situation I've always treated that situation as NTOR even with the conflicting signals. Two examples that are like this:

Augusta ME, this has been like this for 10+ years. BUILD GRANT isn't even fixing this configuration... (one circular signal and one all arrow signal)

St Helena CA, former condition until it was fixed. The PD there stated that two circular signals would overrule one arrow, even though a right on red is legal here anyway...

I thought this intersection looked familiar.  It is home to an unmarked this light never turns green.

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/HLkJmFxo8tSmJvtcA
Common use of a signal using a power pole especially in parts of Florida and the Carolinas. 

Don't the owner of the signal in all cases have to pay rent to the power company to install a mast arm or span wire to it.

[plain]

https://goo.gl/maps/HLkJmFxo8tSmJvtcA
Common use of a signal using a power pole especially in parts of Florida and the Carolinas. 

Don't the owner of the signal in all cases have to pay rent to the power company to install a mast arm or span wire to it.

There's actually a thread for this somewhere, I gotta look for it (you reminded me of something I meant to add to it).

As for the question, I wouldn't think so.

EDIT: I found the thread.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25571.25

[Mr Kite]

Those signal heads are way out of the MUTCD cone of vision. My god did they do that signal on the cheap.

Yep, looks like they were set on using only one mast to mount all the signals on.

[roadman65]

 A welcoming traffic signal.



Signal heads suspended from sign gantry.

[plain]

https://goo.gl/maps/7dckF5mNUU2pRwfC7

Found a 12-8-8 signal on GSV in Newport News at VA 351's Western terminus.

The other day here we were discussing VA signals so someone mentioned most gone but one other in Western VA still left.

That was me lol, and great find! Assuming this is a state install, that makes two!

(Also super minor, but Sandston is an eastern suburb of Richmond, not at all Western VA).

Not a state install, this was done by the city.

Rats. Makes only one existing VDOT install then. I know there was another one at Burke and Old Burke Lake in Burke until the mid-2000s, but that one's long gone.

Bumping this because I saw another old VDOT 12-8-8 earlier (not sure why I didn't think of it before, been a while since I've previously drove this stretch)

It's on US 1/301 in Chesterfield County

https://maps.app.goo.gl/2wSh9XDGD3o74jPX6

[snowc]

Question, for a (single lane) right turn, if you have both a circular red signal on one signal and a red right turn arrow on another signal at the same time, would the RTOR apply (if the circular signal trumps the arrow), or would if be NTOR (if the arrow trumps the circular signal)? This is under the assumption the state prohibits all turns on red arrows.

In that situation I've always treated that situation as NTOR even with the conflicting signals. Two examples that are like this:

Augusta ME, this has been like this for 10+ years. BUILD GRANT isn't even fixing this configuration... (one circular signal and one all arrow signal)

St Helena CA, former condition until it was fixed. The PD there stated that two circular signals would overrule one arrow, even though a right on red is legal here anyway...

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3368542,-78.6760949,3a,15y,136.04h,92.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBw36vaBSHIltESendKzvmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Looks similar to this one, where the light is green right arrow and red solid. 

[roadman65]

https://goo.gl/maps/QDUCyxeZZzBXNtaKA
Like the control box here. New Jersey used to use them, but sit them on top of a cabinet as NJ don't like the electric meters exposed. The slim cabinet still used long side the large controllers house the meter where the meter man has a key to open the bottom or side cabinets to read the kilowatt hours.

[roadfro]

Question, for a (single lane) right turn, if you have both a circular red signal on one signal and a red right turn arrow on another signal at the same time, would the RTOR apply (if the circular signal trumps the arrow), or would if be NTOR (if the arrow trumps the circular signal)? This is under the assumption the state prohibits all turns on red arrows.

In that situation I've always treated that situation as NTOR even with the conflicting signals. Two examples that are like this:

Augusta ME, this has been like this for 10+ years. BUILD GRANT isn't even fixing this configuration... (one circular signal and one all arrow signal)

St Helena CA, former condition until it was fixed. The PD there stated that two circular signals would overrule one arrow, even though a right on red is legal here anyway...

https://www.google.com/maps/@35.3368542,-78.6760949,3a,15y,136.04h,92.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBw36vaBSHIltESendKzvmA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Looks similar to this one, where the light is green right arrow and red solid. 

And that second one with the green right arrow could be conflicting with pedestrians if there were any in the area, given there are no ped signals at that intersection.

[Mark68]

A welcoming traffic signal.



Signal heads suspended from sign gantry.

Yeah, Wyoming LOVES to suspend the signals from sign gantries. Here is an example from the end (or beginning?) of the infamous I-180 at Lincolnway: https://goo.gl/maps/dWUhR5uwnwEXsMvbA

[roadman65]

A welcoming traffic signal.



Signal heads suspended from sign gantry.

Yeah, Wyoming LOVES to suspend the signals from sign gantries. Here is an example from the end (or beginning?) of the infamous I-180 at Lincolnway: https://goo.gl/maps/dWUhR5uwnwEXsMvbA

https://goo.gl/maps/Y8VqeaooaeW2Hbfs7 So does the PANYNJ in Jersey City, NJ along another at grade interstate.

[DrSmith]

A welcoming traffic signal.



Signal heads suspended from sign gantry.

Yeah, Wyoming LOVES to suspend the signals from sign gantries. Here is an example from the end (or beginning?) of the infamous I-180 at Lincolnway: https://goo.gl/maps/dWUhR5uwnwEXsMvbA

https://goo.gl/maps/Y8VqeaooaeW2Hbfs7 So does the PANYNJ in Jersey City, NJ along another at grade interstate.

That PANYNJ has a whole collection.... attached to old gantry structure, more modern city style, and wire span

[ErmineNotyours]

[roadfro]

https://goo.gl/maps/Y8VqeaooaeW2Hbfs7 So does the PANYNJ in Jersey City, NJ along another at grade interstate.

Side note for this one: Notice there are three different styles of overhead traffic signal mounting at that one intersection: Suspended from the sign bridge, span wire, and square modular masts. Somewhat bizarre...

[mrsman]

Here's an interesting one along Sunset Blvd in the Brentwood section of L.A.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0701357,-118.469442,3a,15y,222.16h,92.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgmP5CXfgyQWdN0nRySa8_A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

A two section 3M signal high up on the mast and a 5 section signal on the lower part of the mast.  Sunset is 2 lanes in each direction with a left turn lane.  At this intersection, there is a slight widening to allow for a right turn only lane into the gated community as well as a bus stop.  The 3M signal serves as a queue jumper for the buses, if a bus is stopped there, the bus will get a slight priority over other traffic along Sunset.  The buses will get a green, while adjacent car traffic is stopped.  When buses get the green, right turners will also get a green arrow so that any driver that's turning right would not block any buses that may be behind it.

[Caps81943]

Found some old 8" arrows still alive in Connecticut

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3515922,-72.0973559,3a,53.7y,175.5h,90.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSARI04Q7CNVzbqHWoPTTkQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

[zachary_amaryllis]

A welcoming traffic signal.

[there was an image here]

Yeah, Wyoming LOVES to suspend the signals from sign gantries. Here is an example from the end (or beginning?) of the infamous I-180 at Lincolnway: https://goo.gl/maps/dWUhR5uwnwEXsMvbA

they're rejiggered that assembly. it used to have various 'city' names on it, and my thought at the time was 'too many capital letters'

fwiw, the big viaduct is a wonderful place from which to watch trains, if you're so inclined.