The host venues were announced today.
Canada
Toronto - BMO Field (expanded to 45,500)
Vancouver - BC Place (54,500)
US
Atlanta - Mercedes-Benz Stadium (75,000)
Boston - Gillette Stadium (70,000)
Dallas - AT&T Stadium (92,967)
Houston - NRG Stadium (72,220)
Kansas City - Arrowhead Stadium (76,416)
Los Angeles - SoFi Stadium (70,240) - needs a renovation because it's not wide enough for soccer
Miami - Hard Rock Stadium (67,518)
New York/New Jersey - MetLife Stadium (87,157)
Philadelphia - Lincoln Financial Field (69,796)
San Francisco Bay Area - Levi's Stadium (68,500)
Seattle - Lumen Field (69,000)
Mexico
Guadalajara - Estadio Akron (48,071)
Mexico City - Estadio Azteca (87,523)
Monterrey - Estadio BBVA (45,460)
This will be the first FIFA World Cup with 48 teams, in groups of 3 and an expanded knockout round with 32 teams. It's going to be a bit of a mess (especially with staggered matches), so we'll see how it goes.
Didn't they get rid of staggered matches because of something similar to a "tie and we both advance" situation? Why are they bringing it back?
Also, Gillette Stadium is 20 miles from Boston and actually closer to Providence.
Quote from: 1 on June 16, 2022, 05:48:40 PM
Also, Gillette Stadium is 20 miles from Boston and actually closer to Providence.
More than a few aren't in their listed city. Levi's Stadium isn't even from SF than Gillette is from Boston. Sports fans have just learned to live with it, outside of the guy that sued over the NY Jets and Giants claiming New York in their name.
Quote from: 1 on June 16, 2022, 05:48:40 PM
Didn't they get rid of staggered matches because of something similar to a "tie and we both advance" situation? Why are they bringing it back?
Also, Gillette Stadium is 20 miles from Boston and actually closer to Providence.
Very disappointed that neither Chicago nor Indy bid to be a host, and that neither Cincinnati nor Nashville were selected. My son and I want the once in a lifetime experience of going to a World Cup game and now we'll likely be fighting the entire rest of the middle of the country for tickets for Kansas City.
As for why the staggered matches are back: FIFA wanted the World Cup expanded to 48 teams for more money
European clubs didn't want their players playing more games or for a longer period of time, so the compromise was changing the group stage from 4 to 3 teams, reducing by one game, and increasing the knockout round from 16 to 32 teams, increasing by one game.
Yes, it creates a potential scenario where two teams playing each other can both advance with a draw, but there should be significant differences in the quality of the knockout round opponent to incentivize teams to go for first in their group.
Another impact will be on qualifying in CONCACAF. In 2026, the three hosts will qualify automatically, but with CONCACAF getting 6 spots now instead of 3.5, that's likely the end of the single group final qualifying round (hex or oct), and a move to multiple groups like in Europe/Africa/Asia, and the US and Mexico likely never playing qualifying matches against each other in the future. I suppose they could still do an octagonal like we had this year, give the top four teams direct qualification, and have the other four drawn into a pair of home-and-homes for the final two spots, but that would seem very forced.
Quote from: SectorZ on June 16, 2022, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 16, 2022, 05:48:40 PM
Also, Gillette Stadium is 20 miles from Boston and actually closer to Providence.
More than a few aren't in their listed city. Levi's Stadium isn't even from SF than Gillette is from Boston. Sports fans have just learned to live with it, outside of the guy that sued over the NY Jets and Giants claiming New York in their name.
A big reason, of course, is that it would be extremely difficult to build new stadia in Boston or NYC proper. Although Robert Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots/Revolution.and Gillette Stadium is looking for a location to build a soccer stadium.
In any event, the teams playing at Gillette will probably fly in and out of TF Green/Rhode Island International instead of Logan.
I'm stoked KC got selected. It's a great soccer city and one only has to go back to see the crowds that joined at the Power & Light District back in 2010 and 2014 to see what the experience will be like.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 17, 2022, 05:42:22 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on June 16, 2022, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 16, 2022, 05:48:40 PM
Also, Gillette Stadium is 20 miles from Boston and actually closer to Providence.
More than a few aren't in their listed city. Levi's Stadium isn't even from SF than Gillette is from Boston. Sports fans have just learned to live with it, outside of the guy that sued over the NY Jets and Giants claiming New York in their name.
A big reason, of course, is that it would be extremely difficult to build new stadia in Boston or NYC proper. Although Robert Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots/Revolution.and Gillette Stadium is looking for a location to build a soccer stadium.
In any event, the teams playing at Gillette will probably fly in and out of TF Green/Rhode Island International instead of Logan.
Plenty of room to build a stadium in Boston as long as it used structured parking and relied more on attendees using transit vs driving to the stadium. The parking around Gillette takes up 4-5X more land than the stadium itself. I agree it's practically impossible in NYC.
The biggest problem with the FIFA World Cup in Dallas is that it's at Jerryworld. There are a couple of problems with the stadium:
- Hopefully, FIFA will insist on curtains to block that sun from those windows.
- Arlington has absolutely NO transit solutions whatsoever. Thus, getting to the game will also pose a challenge.
It's still a better venue than Levi's Bake and Burn Stadium in Santa Clara.
https://www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/fifa-world-cup-2026-host-cities-los-angeles-new-york-new-jersey-among-top-venues-washington-d-c-snubbed/
Looks like the host venues are being grouped into East, Central and West, with teams playing all their group stage games in the same region. I'm guessing the three host countries get sent to different regions. Mexico likely goes to the Central with Mexico City there. The two Canadian venues are split between East and West but I'm going to guess that Canada goes west and the US to the east.
The host(s) usually get placed into groups instead of drawn, so maybe something like the US heading group A with groups A-E playing in the East. Mexico heading group I with groups F-K playing in the Central. Canada heading group M with groups L-P playing in the West.
Quote from: skluth on June 17, 2022, 01:21:35 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 17, 2022, 05:42:22 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on June 16, 2022, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 16, 2022, 05:48:40 PM
Also, Gillette Stadium is 20 miles from Boston and actually closer to Providence.
More than a few aren't in their listed city. Levi's Stadium isn't even from SF than Gillette is from Boston. Sports fans have just learned to live with it, outside of the guy that sued over the NY Jets and Giants claiming New York in their name.
A big reason, of course, is that it would be extremely difficult to build new stadia in Boston or NYC proper. Although Robert Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots/Revolution.and Gillette Stadium is looking for a location to build a soccer stadium.
In any event, the teams playing at Gillette will probably fly in and out of TF Green/Rhode Island International instead of Logan.
Plenty of room to build a stadium in Boston as long as it used structured parking and relied more on attendees using transit vs driving to the stadium. The parking around Gillette takes up 4-5X more land than the stadium itself. I agree it's practically impossible in NYC.
Stadiums heavily dependent on transit also need transit stations large enough to accommodate 70,000 people or so on gamedays near the area...which will only be a dozen or so days a year. You'll probably also need transit stops with large parking lots or facilities to handle everyone taking the train. Just because the land being used for parking isnt at the stadium doesn't mean that land isn't being used for parking elsewhere.
Much of the enjoyment of going to a football game is the tailgating that happens before the game. Without that experience, there's numerous people that won't even go to a game. It also will make it appear to be more of a money grab... encouraging people just to eat and drink inside the stadium...at a hefty price.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 17, 2022, 09:01:13 AM
I'm stoked KC got selected. It's a great soccer city and one only has to go back to see the crowds that joined at the Power & Light District back in 2010 and 2014 to see what the experience will be like.
Also, it's got the road capacity
Quote from: ZLoth on June 17, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
The biggest problem with the FIFA World Cup in Dallas is that it's at Jerryworld. There are a couple of problems with the stadium:
- Hopefully, FIFA will insist on curtains to block that sun from those windows.
- Arlington has absolutely NO transit solutions whatsoever. Thus, getting to the game will also pose a challenge.
It's still a better venue than Levi's Bake and Burn Stadium in Santa Clara.
This is America. We don't take transit to stadiums.
I think DC got turned down because FIFA officials want to stay away from the Justice Department
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on June 17, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
The biggest problem with the FIFA World Cup in Dallas is that it's at Jerryworld. There are a couple of problems with the stadium:
- Hopefully, FIFA will insist on curtains to block that sun from those windows.
- Arlington has absolutely NO transit solutions whatsoever. Thus, getting to the game will also pose a challenge.
It's still a better venue than Levi's Bake and Burn Stadium in Santa Clara.
This is America. We don't take transit to stadiums.
FIFA is going to require it (in the form of chartered buses from fan zones). International visitors will need it.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:51:05 PM
I think DC got turned down because FIFA officials want to stay away from the Justice Department
Actual reason is because there's no suitable venue in the DMV and Baltimore's bid was weaker than Boston's.
Quote from: Bruce on June 17, 2022, 03:56:47 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on June 17, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
The biggest problem with the FIFA World Cup in Dallas is that it's at Jerryworld. There are a couple of problems with the stadium:
- Hopefully, FIFA will insist on curtains to block that sun from those windows.
- Arlington has absolutely NO transit solutions whatsoever. Thus, getting to the game will also pose a challenge.
It's still a better venue than Levi's Bake and Burn Stadium in Santa Clara.
This is America. We don't take transit to stadiums.
FIFA is going to require it (in the form of chartered buses from fan zones). International visitors will need it.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:51:05 PM
I think DC got turned down because FIFA officials want to stay away from the Justice Department
Actual reason is because there's no suitable venue in the DMV and Baltimore's bid was weaker than Boston's.
the people who can afford to fly from abroad to the US and pay for tickets to a world cup match can afford to rent a car.
Also, can you have a tailgate party with a bus? End of discussion
Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 17, 2022, 02:24:59 PM
Stadiums heavily dependent on transit also need transit stations large enough to accommodate 70,000 people or so on gamedays near the area...which will only be a dozen or so days a year. You'll probably also need transit stops with large parking lots or facilities to handle everyone taking the train. Just because the land being used for parking isnt at the stadium doesn't mean that land isn't being used for parking elsewhere.
Much of the enjoyment of going to a football game is the tailgating that happens before the game. Without that experience, there's numerous people that won't even go to a game. It also will make it appear to be more of a money grab... encouraging people just to eat and drink inside the stadium...at a hefty price.
Seattle manages just fine by having two light rail stations to spread the load for Lumen Field, on top of other options in the area. Even the CONCACAF Champions League Final, which drew 68,000 on a Wednesday night, wasn't enough to overload the transit system.
Soccer doesn't really have that tailgating culture, even for suburban MLS teams. Note that newer MLS stadiums don't come with large parking lots and instead direct fans to eat and drink at local restaurants as well as inside the stadium.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: Bruce on June 17, 2022, 03:56:47 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on June 17, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
The biggest problem with the FIFA World Cup in Dallas is that it's at Jerryworld. There are a couple of problems with the stadium:
- Hopefully, FIFA will insist on curtains to block that sun from those windows.
- Arlington has absolutely NO transit solutions whatsoever. Thus, getting to the game will also pose a challenge.
It's still a better venue than Levi's Bake and Burn Stadium in Santa Clara.
This is America. We don't take transit to stadiums.
FIFA is going to require it (in the form of chartered buses from fan zones). International visitors will need it.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:51:05 PM
I think DC got turned down because FIFA officials want to stay away from the Justice Department
Actual reason is because there's no suitable venue in the DMV and Baltimore's bid was weaker than Boston's.
Pretty much everyone in America has a car and the people who can afford to fly from abroad to the US and pay for tickets to a world cup match can afford to rent a car.
And you really want all of the drunk fans, especially those completely unfamiliar with American highways, to drive back home or to their hotel rooms?
Not happening.
Quote from: Bruce on June 17, 2022, 03:59:43 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on June 17, 2022, 02:24:59 PM
Stadiums heavily dependent on transit also need transit stations large enough to accommodate 70,000 people or so on gamedays near the area...which will only be a dozen or so days a year. You'll probably also need transit stops with large parking lots or facilities to handle everyone taking the train. Just because the land being used for parking isnt at the stadium doesn't mean that land isn't being used for parking elsewhere.
Much of the enjoyment of going to a football game is the tailgating that happens before the game. Without that experience, there's numerous people that won't even go to a game. It also will make it appear to be more of a money grab... encouraging people just to eat and drink inside the stadium...at a hefty price.
Seattle manages just fine by having two light rail stations to spread the load for Lumen Field, on top of other options in the area. Even the CONCACAF Champions League Final, which drew 68,000 on a Wednesday night, wasn't enough to overload the transit system.
Soccer doesn't really have that tailgating culture, even for suburban MLS teams. Note that newer MLS stadiums don't come with large parking lots and instead direct fans to eat and drink at local restaurants as well as inside the stadium.
Red Bull Arena is fairly new and it has tons of parking.
Quote from: Bruce on June 17, 2022, 04:01:00 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: Bruce on June 17, 2022, 03:56:47 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on June 17, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
The biggest problem with the FIFA World Cup in Dallas is that it's at Jerryworld. There are a couple of problems with the stadium:
- Hopefully, FIFA will insist on curtains to block that sun from those windows.
- Arlington has absolutely NO transit solutions whatsoever. Thus, getting to the game will also pose a challenge.
It's still a better venue than Levi's Bake and Burn Stadium in Santa Clara.
This is America. We don't take transit to stadiums.
FIFA is going to require it (in the form of chartered buses from fan zones). International visitors will need it.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:51:05 PM
I think DC got turned down because FIFA officials want to stay away from the Justice Department
Actual reason is because there's no suitable venue in the DMV and Baltimore's bid was weaker than Boston's.
Pretty much everyone in America has a car and the people who can afford to fly from abroad to the US and pay for tickets to a world cup match can afford to rent a car.
And you really want all of the drunk fans, especially those completely unfamiliar with American highways, to drive back home or to their hotel rooms?
Not happening.
Philadelphia does fine after the Eagles win a super bowl.
I see Bruce is clinging to his belief that transit is a practical and convenient mode of transportation for more than a small sliver of the population
Speaking of which... why can't you easily get to Gillette Stadium from Providence on the commuter rail? They might need a shuttle service from the Mansfield and/or Sharon station to Gillette Stadium if there isn't already one.
And don't triple post.
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 04:04:57 PM
Speaking of which... why can't you easily get to Gillette Stadium from Providence on the commuter rail? They might need a shuttle service from the Mansfield and/or Sharon station to Gillette Stadium if there isn't already one.
And don't triple post.
Because trains are wicked expensive to build and Because fans come from different places, it's not practical.
Another major snub: Phoenix. That's probably because of the heat.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 04:08:13 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 04:04:57 PM
Speaking of which... why can't you easily get to Gillette Stadium from Providence on the commuter rail? They might need a shuttle service from the Mansfield and/or Sharon station to Gillette Stadium if there isn't already one.
And don't triple post.
Another major snub: Phoenix. That's probably because of the heat.
Eh. People who are going to come visit the U.S. should at least visit
some culture. To me, Phoenix is the big metro in the U.S. with the least.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 17, 2022, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 04:08:13 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 04:04:57 PM
Speaking of which... why can't you easily get to Gillette Stadium from Providence on the commuter rail? They might need a shuttle service from the Mansfield and/or Sharon station to Gillette Stadium if there isn't already one.
And don't triple post.
Another major snub: Phoenix. That's probably because of the heat.
Eh. People who are going to come visit the U.S. should at least visit some culture. To me, Phoenix is the big metro in the U.S. with the least.
I saw tons of culture when I was there.
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 17, 2022, 04:10:02 PM
People who are going to come visit the U.S. should at least visit some culture.
..and should at least have
some of its cuisine. Kansas City's famous Bar-b-que joints will surely be taking in some big business, feeding folks from across the world.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on June 17, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
The biggest problem with the FIFA World Cup in Dallas is that it's at Jerryworld. There are a couple of problems with the stadium:
- Hopefully, FIFA will insist on curtains to block that sun from those windows.
- Arlington has absolutely NO transit solutions whatsoever. Thus, getting to the game will also pose a challenge.
It's still a better venue than Levi's Bake and Burn Stadium in Santa Clara.
This is America. We don't take transit to stadiums.
You misspelled "I," as in referring to yourself.
And don't triple post.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on June 17, 2022, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 17, 2022, 04:10:02 PM
People who are going to come visit the U.S. should at least visit some culture.
..and should at least have some of its cuisine. Kansas City's famous Bar-b-que joints will surely be taking in some big business, feeding folks from across the world.
While KC will certainly see many international travelers for the tournament, I'll bet it's the fewest of any of the host cities. Very inland (so longer flight) and not a major destination for someone who has no or limited experience with the country.
Way too early to plan for this, but I might look at tickets for LA since I've never been out there and the stadium is awesome.
Quote from: thspfc on June 17, 2022, 04:30:12 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on June 17, 2022, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 17, 2022, 04:10:02 PM
People who are going to come visit the U.S. should at least visit some culture.
..and should at least have some of its cuisine. Kansas City's famous Bar-b-que joints will surely be taking in some big business, feeding folks from across the world.
While KC will certainly see many international travelers for the tournament, I'll bet it's the fewest of any of the host cities. Very inland (so longer flight) and not a major destination for someone who has no or limited experience with the country.
Way too early to plan for this, but I might look at tickets for LA since I've never been out there and the stadium is awesome.
LA is going to be holding tailgate parties on the 405.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 17, 2022, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 04:08:13 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 04:04:57 PM
Speaking of which... why can't you easily get to Gillette Stadium from Providence on the commuter rail? They might need a shuttle service from the Mansfield and/or Sharon station to Gillette Stadium if there isn't already one.
And don't triple post.
Another major snub: Phoenix. That's probably because of the heat.
Eh. People who are going to come visit the U.S. should at least visit some culture. To me, Phoenix is the big metro in the U.S. with the least.
I saw tons of culture when I was there.
Strip malls and Scottsdale Karens? :)
Quote from: ozarkman417 on June 17, 2022, 04:21:30 PM
..and should at least have some of its cuisine. Kansas City's famous Bar-b-que joints will surely be taking in some big business, feeding folks from across the world.
Shame they'll be exposed to inferior 'que. :D
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 17, 2022, 04:45:13 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 17, 2022, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 04:08:13 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 04:04:57 PM
Speaking of which... why can't you easily get to Gillette Stadium from Providence on the commuter rail? They might need a shuttle service from the Mansfield and/or Sharon station to Gillette Stadium if there isn't already one.
And don't triple post.
Another major snub: Phoenix. That's probably because of the heat.
Eh. People who are going to come visit the U.S. should at least visit some culture. To me, Phoenix is the big metro in the U.S. with the least.
I saw tons of culture when I was there.
Strip malls and Scottsdale Karens? :)
I saw a very lively space at Scottsdale Fashion Center. They've also got tons of museums which don't charge an arm and a leg for parking
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 04:49:33 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 17, 2022, 04:45:13 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 17, 2022, 04:10:02 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 04:08:13 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 04:04:57 PM
Speaking of which... why can't you easily get to Gillette Stadium from Providence on the commuter rail? They might need a shuttle service from the Mansfield and/or Sharon station to Gillette Stadium if there isn't already one.
And don't triple post.
Another major snub: Phoenix. That's probably because of the heat.
Eh. People who are going to come visit the U.S. should at least visit some culture. To me, Phoenix is the big metro in the U.S. with the least.
I saw tons of culture when I was there.
Strip malls and Scottsdale Karens? :)
I saw a very lively space at Scottsdale Fashion Center. They've also got tons of museums which don't charge an arm and a leg for parks
If you're going to use a mall as an indication of culture, we very likely have an incredibly different definition of the term.
Quote from: thspfc on June 17, 2022, 04:30:12 PM
Quote from: ozarkman417 on June 17, 2022, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: JayhawkCO on June 17, 2022, 04:10:02 PM
People who are going to come visit the U.S. should at least visit some culture.
..and should at least have some of its cuisine. Kansas City's famous Bar-b-que joints will surely be taking in some big business, feeding folks from across the world.
While KC will certainly see many international travelers for the tournament, I'll bet it's the fewest of any of the host cities. Very inland (so longer flight) and not a major destination for someone who has no or limited experience with the country.
Way too early to plan for this, but I might look at tickets for LA since I've never been out there and the stadium is awesome.
Fans of the participating nations are going to travel to whatever city their team is playing in. A German fan isn't going to choose an England-Chile game in New York over a Germany-Morocco game in Kansas City.
Unaffiliated international fans will be more likely to hit the better-known cities.
KC may get a huge demand from US fans since it's the only site in the entire Midwest.
I'm going to try to get tickets for a US game, but Plan B is to go to Kansas City because it's really the only driveable option.
Quote from: skluth on June 17, 2022, 01:21:35 PM
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 17, 2022, 05:42:22 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on June 16, 2022, 06:01:10 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 16, 2022, 05:48:40 PM
Also, Gillette Stadium is 20 miles from Boston and actually closer to Providence.
More than a few aren't in their listed city. Levi's Stadium isn't even from SF than Gillette is from Boston. Sports fans have just learned to live with it, outside of the guy that sued over the NY Jets and Giants claiming New York in their name.
A big reason, of course, is that it would be extremely difficult to build new stadia in Boston or NYC proper. Although Robert Kraft, owner of the New England Patriots/Revolution.and Gillette Stadium is looking for a location to build a soccer stadium.
In any event, the teams playing at Gillette will probably fly in and out of TF Green/Rhode Island International instead of Logan.
Plenty of room to build a stadium in Boston as long as it used structured parking and relied more on attendees using transit vs driving to the stadium. The parking around Gillette takes up 4-5X more land than the stadium itself. I agree it's practically impossible in NYC.
Theoretically possible, but not going to happen anytime soon,mid at all. given the cost of land, inflation, competition, congestion, broken public transit, and good old fashioned NIMBYism. Kraft tried to build the Pats new stadium in South Boston, and failed.
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 04:04:57 PM
Speaking of which... why can't you easily get to Gillette Stadium from Providence on the commuter rail? They might need a shuttle service from the Mansfield and/or Sharon station to Gillette Stadium if there isn't already one.
And don't triple post.
There is a station at Gillette Stadium. There is a train that goes from South Station to Gillette on game days. Not sure why there isn't one from Providence, but the Providence line us one of the least reliable lines.
Quote from: Ted$8roadFan on June 17, 2022, 07:34:21 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 04:04:57 PM
Speaking of which... why can't you easily get to Gillette Stadium from Providence on the commuter rail? They might need a shuttle service from the Mansfield and/or Sharon station to Gillette Stadium if there isn't already one.
And don't triple post.
There is a station at Gillette Stadium. There is a train that goes from South Station to Gillette on game days. Not sure why there isn't one from Providence, but the Providence line us one of the least reliable lines.
I would think that for the World Cup, there will be temporary mass transit of some sort set up to get fans between airports, major hotel centers, and stadiums. May have to be buses in some cities, but I expect something like this would happen.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: Bruce on June 17, 2022, 03:56:47 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:49:45 PM
Quote from: ZLoth on June 17, 2022, 01:40:06 PM
The biggest problem with the FIFA World Cup in Dallas is that it's at Jerryworld. There are a couple of problems with the stadium:
- Hopefully, FIFA will insist on curtains to block that sun from those windows.
- Arlington has absolutely NO transit solutions whatsoever. Thus, getting to the game will also pose a challenge.
It's still a better venue than Levi's Bake and Burn Stadium in Santa Clara.
This is America. We don't take transit to stadiums.
FIFA is going to require it (in the form of chartered buses from fan zones). International visitors will need it.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 03:51:05 PM
I think DC got turned down because FIFA officials want to stay away from the Justice Department
Actual reason is because there's no suitable venue in the DMV and Baltimore's bid was weaker than Boston's.
the people who can afford to fly from abroad to the US and pay for tickets to a world cup match can afford to rent a car.
You do realize that lots of people from other countries don't know how to drive a car, right? It's not a required life skill there like it is here.
And don't triple post.
Despite the sentiment expressed previously in this thread, the official bid book (https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/3c077448dcd5c0ab/original/w3yjeu7dadt5erw26wmu-pdf.pdf) submitted to FIFA spends an awful lot of time on each venue's transit accessibility. And in the pre-selection bid analysis, FIFA criticized the U.S.'s lack of sufficient public transport capacity (https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/42abfc3a5aa04dfd/original/yx76lnat3oingsmnlvzf-pdf.pdf) (p. 24). It's actually an important part of an international tournament of this scale.
Ranking the venues by their transit access:
Vancouver (BC Place) - A - SkyTrain access from the south and east, a short distance from Amtrak/VIA; one transfer from Seabus at Waterfront
Seattle (Lumen Field) - A - Link service every 4-10 minutes (including future Line 2) at two stations at each end of the stadium, plus Amtrak and Sounder right at the doorstep
SF Bay Area (Levi's Stadium) - B- - Decent VTA light rail service to San Jose and Mountain View to link with Caltrain, but still rather far from the BART network; Amtrak and ACE also serve the stadium
LA (SoFi Stadium) - C- - Requires a bus shuttle from the nearest Metro station, including the soon-to-be-opened LAX/Crenshaw Line. Inglewood has approved a people mover, but it won't open until 2027.
Kansas City (Arrowhead Stadium) - D- - Nearest bus routes stop a mile away and are hourly at best.
Dallas (AT&T Stadium) - F - Hard to do worse than a suburb with literally no transit, especially when the metro area has the longest light rail network in the country. Arlington is a failure of urban planning. There is a private "trolley (https://arlingtontrolley.com/attractions/att-stadium/)" that runs on non-gamedays, so it's useless.
Houston (NRG Stadium) - C - Light rail is on the other side of the Astrodome and not all that frequent. A half-hourly bus runs closer to the stadium but requires a transfer to reach downtown or anywhere of note.
Guadalajara (Estadio Aktron) - C- - Nearly a mile of walking from the nearest bus stop, but that bus runs every 6 minutes.
Monterrey (Estadio BBVA) - B - A mile from the nearest Metro stop, but it runs every 5 minutes.
Mexico City (Estadio Azteca) - A - While not directly served by the extensive Metro system, it does have Xochimilco light rail service (every 4 minutes) that connects with Metro Line 2. Good enough for a stadium that is fairly far from the city center.
Toronto (BMO Field) - A - Streetcar runs right to the stadium every 5 minutes and GO has service next door.
Boston (Gillette Stadium) - C - Special commuter rail service from South Station and Back Bay would presumably be running, but it needs to be supplemented by special buses.
NY/NJ (MetLife Stadium) - B - Again, special commuter rail service needed. There are normal buses in the area that run infrequently.
Philadelphia (Lincoln Financial Field) - A - A half-mile walk from the end of the Broad Street Line, but it's every 8-12 minutes and even has special expresses for events.
Atlanta (Mercedes-Benz Stadium) - A - A pair of MARTA stations with frequent service. Not too far from downtown and the main transfer at Five Points, so it shouldn't be too hard for citywide connections.
Miami (Hard Rock Stadium) - C - Normal service is lacking, but Miami-Dade runs express buses for Dolphins games at 15-minute headways, so if repeated it'd be decent.
Quote from: Bruce on June 17, 2022, 08:26:21 PM
Despite the sentiment expressed previously in this thread, the official bid book (https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/3c077448dcd5c0ab/original/w3yjeu7dadt5erw26wmu-pdf.pdf) submitted to FIFA spends an awful lot of time on each venue's transit accessibility. And in the pre-selection bid analysis, FIFA criticized the U.S.'s lack of sufficient public transport capacity (https://digitalhub.fifa.com/m/42abfc3a5aa04dfd/original/yx76lnat3oingsmnlvzf-pdf.pdf) (p. 24). It's actually an important part of an international tournament of this scale.
Ranking the venues by their transit access:
Vancouver (BC Place) - A - SkyTrain access from the south and east, a short distance from Amtrak/VIA; one transfer from Seabus at Waterfront
Seattle (Lumen Field) - A - Link service every 4-10 minutes (including future Line 2) at two stations at each end of the stadium, plus Amtrak and Sounder right at the doorstep
SF Bay Area (Levi's Stadium) - B- - Decent VTA light rail service to San Jose and Mountain View to link with Caltrain, but still rather far from the BART network; Amtrak and ACE also serve the stadium
LA (SoFi Stadium) - C- - Requires a bus shuttle from the nearest Metro station, including the soon-to-be-opened LAX/Crenshaw Line. Inglewood has approved a people mover, but it won't open until 2027.
Kansas City (Arrowhead Stadium) - D- - Nearest bus routes stop a mile away and are hourly at best.
Dallas (AT&T Stadium) - F - Hard to do worse than a suburb with literally no transit, especially when the metro area has the longest light rail network in the country. Arlington is a failure of urban planning. There is a private "trolley (https://arlingtontrolley.com/attractions/att-stadium/)" that runs on non-gamedays, so it's useless.
Houston (NRG Stadium) - D - A half-hourly bus that requires a transfer to reach downtown or anywhere of note.
Guadalajara (Estadio Aktron) - C- - Nearly a mile of walking from the nearest bus stop, but that bus runs every 6 minutes.
Monterrey (Estadio BBVA) - B - A mile from the nearest Metro stop, but it runs every 5 minutes.
Mexico City (Estadio Azteca) - A - While not directly served by the extensive Metro system, it does have Xochimilco light rail service (every 4 minutes) that connects with Metro Line 2. Good enough for a stadium that is fairly far from the city center.
Toronto (BMO Field) - A - Streetcar runs right to the stadium every 5 minutes and GO has service next door.
Boston (Gillette Stadium) - C - Special commuter rail service from South Station and Back Bay would presumably be running, but it needs to be supplemented by special buses.
NY/NJ (MetLife Stadium) - B - Again, special commuter rail service needed. There are normal buses in the area that run infrequently.
Philadelphia (Lincoln Financial Field) - A - A half-mile walk from the end of the Broad Street Line, but it's every 8-12 minutes and even has special expresses for events.
Atlanta (Mercedes-Benz Stadium) - A - A pair of MARTA stations with frequent service. Not too far from downtown and the main transfer at Five Points, so it shouldn't be too hard for citywide connections.
Miami (Hard Rock Stadium) - C - Normal service is lacking, but Miami-Dade runs express buses for Dolphins games at 15-minute headways, so if repeated it'd be decent.
Typical European snobbery
QuoteYou do realize that lots of people from other countries don't know how to drive a car, right? It's not a required life skill there like it is here.
Lol Don't tell me you buy the "Europeans don't need cars" crap.
If The Netherlands winds up playing any matches in Houston or Dallas, their fans will find the local roads to be very similar to the ones they have at home
(https://i.imgur.com/IU6HWbf.jpg)
Although they may be frustrated by carpool restrictions.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 08:48:08 PM
Typical European snobbery
Lol Don't tell me you buy the "Europeans don't need cars" crap.
If The Netherlands winds up playing any matches in Houston or Dallas, their fans will find the local roads to be very similar to the ones they have at home
[clipped]
Although they may be frustrated by carpool restrictions.
1. I'm not European. Just someone who wants a traffic-free way of getting to the damn game.
In fact, when I do attend sporting events in Seattle, I normally drive part way and switch to a train or rental bike to save on time.
2. Most Europeans aren't driving to their games, even in car-centric areas. There's plenty of better options that are faster, cheaper, and more convenient.
Quote from: Bruce on June 17, 2022, 09:20:54 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 08:48:08 PM
Typical European snobbery
Lol Don't tell me you buy the "Europeans don't need cars" crap.
If The Netherlands winds up playing any matches in Houston or Dallas, their fans will find the local roads to be very similar to the ones they have at home
[clipped]
Although they may be frustrated by carpool restrictions.
1. I'm not European. Just someone who wants a traffic-free way of getting to the damn game.
In fact, when I do attend sporting events in Seattle, I normally drive part way and switch to a train or rental bike to save on time.
2. Most Europeans aren't driving to their games, even in car-centric areas. There's plenty of better options that are faster, cheaper, and more convenient.
1. Wide highways provide just that. And public transit will suffer "traffic" in that buses or trains will be at capacity and several might go by before you get one with an empty seat.
2. Scott5114 implied that being able to drive a car wasn't a vital life skill in Europe. That's definitely not true.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 09:34:28 PM
2. Scott5114 implied that being able to drive a car wasn't a vital life skill in Europe. That's definitely not true.
Prove it.
Another thing: how many people drive alone to sporting events? I'd say most people carpool. That means that the throughput advantage of trains vs highways is reduced.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2022, 09:47:32 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 09:34:28 PM
2. Scott5114 implied that being able to drive a car wasn't a vital life skill in Europe. That's definitely not true.
Prove it.
There are plenty of Europeans on this forum. Ask them.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2022, 09:47:32 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 09:34:28 PM
2. Scott5114 implied that being able to drive a car wasn't a vital life skill in Europe. That's definitely not true.
Prove it.
There are plenty of Europeans on this forum. Ask them.
lazy
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2022, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 09:49:43 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2022, 09:47:32 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 09:34:28 PM
2. Scott5114 implied that being able to drive a car wasn't a vital life skill in Europe. That's definitely not true.
Prove it.
There are plenty of Europeans on this forum. Ask them.
lazy
One of your mods
Quote from: Chris on May 28, 2022, 07:49:59 AM
Quote from: kernals12 on May 27, 2022, 09:57:37 PM
My point is that the Dutch have not in fact solved all their transportation problems with bike lanes, despite what many will have you believe.
I'm from the Netherlands and this is a point I often like to make. The Dutch cycling infrastructure is not just good, it's a whole separate class compared to any other country in the world. Yet, the modal split is almost 80% car. It's actually only a few percentage points lower than European countries that do not have any cycling culture. Dutch public transit usage is relatively low because cycling is often faster in cities. Cycling options are great, but overall it's less of a revolutionary change in transportation than many advocates make it out to be.
Most people seem to think that densification is required for cycling to work. But that is not the case. The Netherlands is largely not a densely built urban environment, but mostly a single-family residential environment. This allows for cycling infrastructure to be mostly separate from roads, including grade-separation. In the Netherlands, cycling is in fact better in suburban areas than in the city cores, where there is less space and more stops. This is also good for drivers: unlike other countries, cyclists don't have to share busy roads with cars.
The Netherlands lacks very large cities. By far most Dutch people live in cities with a population under 200,000. These cities are compact, but not particularly dense. This means that cycling distances are often doable. However commuting is often between cities. Which is where the motorways come into play. The Netherlands has the second-busiest motorway network in Europe (after the UK). The busiest road in the Netherlands is A4 at the Hague, it carries 280,000 vehicles per day. These are traffic volumes you also find in Los Angeles or Houston.
I also like to add that a tourist perspective of transportation is often very different from a daily routine like commuting, running errands, going to family or for recreation. Many tourists visit Amsterdam and are amazed that almost nobody seems to be driving a car. But they do not see the 8 - 10 - 12 lane motorways around Amsterdam.
I had no idea that all of Europe is the Netherlands.
Netherlands vs USA is the most unlikely rivalry there is. People scream at each other over Dutch urban development vs American urban development. There's a YouTube channel with nearly 700k subscribers dedicated solely to explaining why the Netherlands is better than the USA at urban planning.
The countries aren't comparable. One is tiny and the other is huge, one has mild summers and mild winters while the other is all over the place, one was built long before the other.
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2022, 11:47:28 PM
I had no idea that all of Europe is the Netherlands.
I think you know that Holland has gone further than just about any other country to try and make it possible to live without a car.
Quote from: thspfc on June 18, 2022, 07:25:57 AM
Netherlands vs USA is the most unlikely rivalry there is. People scream at each other over Dutch urban development vs American urban development. There's a YouTube channel with nearly 700k subscribers dedicated solely to explaining why the Netherlands is better than the USA at urban planning.
The countries aren't comparable. One is tiny and the other is huge, one has mild summers and mild winters while the other is all over the place, one was built long before the other.
That youtube channel is run by a Canadian and it shows.
Holland has one of the fastest growing passenger car fleets in Western Europe, they just passed the milestone of 1 car for every 2 people. Until 2005, highways with 6 lanes were a rarity, now 8 lanes is common and 10-12 lanes are present and they're even planning 14 lanes on the A27 near Utrecht. And if you look at the way they plan their cities, you see a lot of similarities to American ones with clear hierarchies of arterial, collector, and access roads.
Regardless of the guy saying nobody in this country takes mass transit to games, we are in fact taking mass transit to a sports venue today (Nationals Park). Given that the parking garages cost something like $40, the old super-cheap 12-hour parking meters where I used to park are gone (removed when the new soccer stadium was built), and subway fare is a flat $2 each way on the weekend, I can't see why we would even consider driving (aside from driving to the subway station, that is).
[Removed personal attack. -S.]
Thw CTA's Red Line is a common way for fans to get to and from Wrigley Field in Chicago, too.
Mike
BTW, FedEx Field charges–or at least, it did the last time we went there for a U2 concert a few years ago–$60 cash to park at the sprawling stadium lots.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2022, 08:00:57 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on June 17, 2022, 11:47:28 PM
I had no idea that all of Europe is the Netherlands.
I think you know that Holland has gone further than just about any other country to try and make it possible to live without a car.
Holland isn't even a country. You don't know what you're talking about.
Quote from: Bruce on June 17, 2022, 08:26:21 PM
Ranking the venues by their transit access:
Houston (NRG Stadium) - D - A half-hourly bus that requires a transfer to reach downtown or anywhere of note.
I would like to point out that NRG Stadium is directly served by the METROrail Red Line (and has been since 2013), which connects it to Midtown, the Museum district, and downtown. I think that it should be bumped up to a C, but not any higher.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 18, 2022, 08:00:57 AM
And if you look at the way they plan their cities, you see a lot of similarities to American ones with clear hierarchies of arterial, collector, and access roads.
The McDonalds parking lots that dump you straight onto arterial roads says no.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on June 19, 2022, 09:30:59 AM
In case anybody is curious, here are the specific World Cup/NFL overlaps. All times Eastern
Thursday 11/24 (Thanksgiving): 2pm: Brazil vs Croatia 2pm ET; 12:30 pm: BUF at DET
Sunday 11/27: 2pm: Spain vs Germany; 1pm: TB at CLE, CIN at TEN, HOU at MIA, CHI at NYJ, ATL at WAS, DEN at CAR, BAL at JAX
Sunday 12/4: 2pm: R16 B1 (potentially USA) vs B2; 1pm: PIT at ATL, GB at CHI, JAX at DET, NYJ at MIN, WAS at NYG, TEN at PHI, DEN at BAL, CLE at HOU
No World Cup games on 12/11 as they're in between the quarterfinals and semifinals. The final on 12/18 starts at 10am so it will be over by the time the NFL kicks off.
That is for 22, right? They are playing in some Gulf Arab dictatorship and it has to be in the winter because it will only be 110 degrees and not 130? The 26 deal is in the summer, when the NFL stadiums will be available. The NFL would never allow anything in their stadiums in-season.
As a frequent visitor to Cincinnati, I'm really glad we were passed over. Hamilton County was going to spend $10M to make Paul Brown Stadium acceptable for these handful of games, on top of the $250M they spent to build a soccer stadium, and the well over a billion in today's money spent on the PBS and Great American Ball Park. Much of it coming from "soak the stranger" taxes. Now maybe the region can work on making the roads, and schools and policing, and other important things better.
Quote from: SP Cook on June 19, 2022, 12:43:46 PM
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on June 19, 2022, 09:30:59 AM
In case anybody is curious, here are the specific World Cup/NFL overlaps. All times Eastern
Thursday 11/24 (Thanksgiving): 2pm: Brazil vs Croatia 2pm ET; 12:30 pm: BUF at DET
Sunday 11/27: 2pm: Spain vs Germany; 1pm: TB at CLE, CIN at TEN, HOU at MIA, CHI at NYJ, ATL at WAS, DEN at CAR, BAL at JAX
Sunday 12/4: 2pm: R16 B1 (potentially USA) vs B2; 1pm: PIT at ATL, GB at CHI, JAX at DET, NYJ at MIN, WAS at NYG, TEN at PHI, DEN at BAL, CLE at HOU
No World Cup games on 12/11 as they're in between the quarterfinals and semifinals. The final on 12/18 starts at 10am so it will be over by the time the NFL kicks off.
That is for 22, right?
Yep, wrong thread. I'll delete and repost there.
Quote from: CoreySamson on June 18, 2022, 08:02:59 PM
Quote from: Bruce on June 17, 2022, 08:26:21 PM
Ranking the venues by their transit access:
Houston (NRG Stadium) - D - A half-hourly bus that requires a transfer to reach downtown or anywhere of note.
I would like to point out that NRG Stadium is directly served by the METROrail Red Line (and has been since 2013), which connects it to Midtown, the Museum district, and downtown. I think that it should be bumped up to a C, but not any higher.
Totally missed that, but it's far away from the actual stadium.
So basically only 2 NFL Sundays where there is a conflict? The first Sunday looks like no biggie since no big national NFL teams are in play. If USA makes it to the second Sunday, Steelers and Packers will be on, but by that point the Team USA hype will be cutting diamonds.
Quote from: Road Hog on June 19, 2022, 09:29:08 PM
So basically only 2 NFL Sundays where there is a conflict? The first Sunday looks like no biggie since no big national NFL teams are in play. If USA makes it to the second Sunday, Steelers and Packers will be on, but by that point the Team USA hype will be cutting diamonds.
Pfft. You guys don't realize just how much the NFL dominates the US sports landscape. Don't get me wrong, I want to see this WC do well in the US and grow the game. But a USA round of 16 game would still get beat handily by a Steelers or Packers game.
Reminder that this is the 2026 thread, not the 2022 thread.
The Midwest essentially only has KC. No Twin Cities, Detroit, Green Bay, Chicago, or Indy. Was kinda shocked they didn't take a look at Lambeau
Quote from: ET21 on June 21, 2022, 09:30:34 AM
The Midwest essentially only has KC. No Twin Cities, Detroit, Green Bay, Chicago, or Indy. Was kinda shocked they didn't take a look at Lambeau
I don't know that the field at Lambeau is wide enough for World Cup soccer. A soccer pitch is 70 to 80 yards wide, much wider than the 53 1/3 yards of a football field.
And Green Bay doesn't have nearly enough hotel rooms for an event of this size. I would have been surprised if FIFA has heard of Green Bay.
GB is holding a soccer friendly next month, but with a narrower pitch that what FIFA prefers.
Quote from: ET21 on June 21, 2022, 09:30:34 AM
The Midwest essentially only has KC. No Twin Cities, Detroit, Green Bay, Chicago, or Indy. Was kinda shocked they didn't take a look at Lambeau
Lambeau Field is too narrow for fútbol games that count. They would have to remove 5-8 rows of seats from each side to make it fit. The Manchester United-Bayern München game this coming July there will only be a 'friendly' type game.
I'm really surpized that Chicago didn't make a bid to host at least one game at Soldier Field (which hosted the opening ceremony and game in 1994).
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on June 21, 2022, 10:44:38 AM
Quote from: ET21 on June 21, 2022, 09:30:34 AM
The Midwest essentially only has KC. No Twin Cities, Detroit, Green Bay, Chicago, or Indy. Was kinda shocked they didn't take a look at Lambeau
Lambeau Field is too narrow for fútbol games that count. They would have to remove 5-8 rows of seats from each side to make it fit. The Manchester United-Bayern München game this coming July there will only be a 'friendly' type game.
I'm really surpized that Chicago didn't make a bid to host at least one game at Soldier Field (which hosted the opening ceremony and game in 1994).
Mike
I agree. And Chicago has a great soccer culture too.
So, what highway projects might help or hurt (if construction is going during the event)the traffic situation at these matches?
Quote from: ET21 on June 21, 2022, 09:30:34 AM
The Midwest essentially only has KC. No Twin Cities, Detroit, Green Bay, Chicago, or Indy. Was kinda shocked they didn't take a look at Lambeau
The organizers contacted whoever operates Lambeau Field, but apparently the operators weren't interested in pursuing it.
The following is the full list of venues that may have been considered in some way (alphabetized by city in each list).
Contacted but didn't submit a bid:
- McMahon Stadium (Calgary)
- Lambeau Field (Green Bay)
- Stade Saputo (Montreal)
- SDCCU Stadium (San Diego)
- SkyDome (Toronto)
Submitted bids that were rejected in the first round:
- Legion Field (Birmingham)
- FirstEnergy Stadium (Cleveland)
- Lucas Oil Stadium (Indianapolis)
- EverBank Field (Jacksonville)
- Superdome (New Orleans)
- TD Place Stadium (Ottawa)
- Heinz Field (Pittsburgh)
- Mosaic Stadium (Regina)
- Alamodome (San Antonio)
Submitted bids that were rejected in the second round:
- Bank of America Stadium (Charlotte)
- Cotton Bowl (Dallas)
- Ford Field (Detroit)
- Allegiant Stadium (Las Vegas)
- Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum
- University of Phoenix Stadium (Glendale)
- Rice-Eccles Stadium (Salt Lake City)
- Raymond James Stadium (Tampa)
Submitted bids but withdrew voluntarily:
- Soldier Field (Chicago)
- U.S. Bank Stadium (Minneapolis)
- FedEx Field (Landover)
- Stade Olympique (Montreal)
Submitted bids that were rejected in the final selection:
- M&T Bank Stadium (Baltimore)
- Paul Brown Stadium (Cincinnati)
- Empower Field at Mile High (Denver)
- Commonwealth Stadium (Edmonton)
- Nissan Stadium (Nashville)
- Camping World Stadium (Orlando)
- Rose Bowl (Pasadena)
I was disappointed that the Cotton Bowl was rejected, but then again, outdoor weather in DFW in late June is a crapshoot. It could be tolerable low 90s or it could be 100-plus with a heat index like we got now. It's always 72 and dry in Jerry World, and sometimes it's even sunny when Jerry forgets to drop the curtains.
I'm also a bit surprised that the Rose Bowl was ultimately rejected as a hosting venue. IMHO, it is the closest thing to a 'national' stadium that the USA has and has already hosted two WC championship games. The men in 1994 and women a few years later.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on June 23, 2022, 09:02:50 AM
I'm also a bit surprised that the Rose Bowl was ultimately rejected as a hosting venue. IMHO, it is the closest thing to a 'national' stadium that the USA has and has already hosted two WC championship games. The men in 1994 and women a few years later.
Mike
SoFi stadium is much more modern (and climate controlled) and they were never going to have two sites in the same metro area.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on June 23, 2022, 09:28:21 AM
Quote from: mgk920 on June 23, 2022, 09:02:50 AM
I'm also a bit surprised that the Rose Bowl was ultimately rejected as a hosting venue. IMHO, it is the closest thing to a 'national' stadium that the USA has and has already hosted two WC championship games. The men in 1994 and women a few years later.
Mike
SoFi stadium is much more modern (and climate controlled) and they were never going to have two sites in the same metro area.
The exact same can be said of Jerry World compared to the Cotton Bowl.
The last time they did this in The States, didn't FIFA make them put real grass in all the domes they used?
Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 23, 2022, 02:50:40 PM
The last time they did this in The States, didn't FIFA make them put real grass in all the domes they used?
Yes and I'm sure they'll have to do it again.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 23, 2022, 02:50:40 PM
The last time they did this in The States, didn't FIFA make them put real grass in all the domes they used?
Not just in the dome (there was only one used, the Silverdome) but in the outdoor venues as well. Giants Stadium had an AstroTurf field in normal use and they had to put down temporary grass for the World Cup. While by all accounts FieldTurf is much closer to real grass than AstroTurf is, it almost certainly won't matter. Recall how some of the women's players brought a sex discrimination lawsuit against FIFA for allowing portions of the 2015 Women's World Cup in Canada to be played on artificial turf despite requiring real grass for the men's World Cup. I believe they ultimately agreed to dismiss the case and I don't know whether there was a settlement as part of that, but at least two venues for next year's Women's World Cup (Dunedin and Melbourne) will be using hybrid grass that contains artificial fibers. I understand FIFA are still stricter about it as to the men's World Cup, though.
Quote from: 1995hoo on June 23, 2022, 03:17:07 PM
Quote from: triplemultiplex on June 23, 2022, 02:50:40 PM
The last time they did this in The States, didn't FIFA make them put real grass in all the domes they used?
Not just in the dome (there was only one used, the Silverdome) but in the outdoor venues as well. Giants Stadium had an AstroTurf field in normal use and they had to put down temporary grass for the World Cup. While by all accounts FieldTurf is much closer to real grass than AstroTurf is, it almost certainly won't matter. Recall how some of the women's players brought a sex discrimination lawsuit against FIFA for allowing portions of the 2015 Women's World Cup in Canada to be played on artificial turf despite requiring real grass for the men's World Cup. I believe they ultimately agreed to dismiss the case and I don't know whether there was a settlement as part of that, but at least two venues for next year's Women's World Cup (Dunedin and Melbourne) will be using hybrid grass that contains artificial fibers. I understand FIFA are still stricter about it as to the men's World Cup, though.
I went to see Dortmund play a friendly at Notre Dame stadium, which is a very nice turf field and the ball just doesn't bounce the same. World Cup should be played on grass, both men's and women's.
It's not just the bounce of the ball. Players get injured more on field turf since it's basically lain on top of concrete.
I always liked playing on turf more than on grass. Even the nicest grass fields in Wisconsin - the complex in Appleton where club state championships are held - weren't as enjoyable for me to play on as fieldturf. Obviously professional pitches don't have traditional grass that just grows from the ground, but at the end of the day I can't imagine even a partially natural surface being smoother and more pristine than an artificial one.
Of course I'm not requesting for these players to move away from the surface they've played on their entire lives, nor am I discounting the elevated injury risk of turf that makes grass ideal.
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 04:08:13 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 04:04:57 PM
Speaking of which... why can't you easily get to Gillette Stadium from Providence on the commuter rail? They might need a shuttle service from the Mansfield and/or Sharon station to Gillette Stadium if there isn't already one.
And don't triple post.
Another major snub: Phoenix. That's probably because of the heat.
The Cardinals have a retractable roof, unless playing indoors in any manner is another deal-breaker with FIFA (the Cardinals play on grass, so that's not an issue)
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 26, 2022, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: kernals12 on June 17, 2022, 04:08:13 PM
Quote from: 1 on June 17, 2022, 04:04:57 PM
Speaking of which... why can't you easily get to Gillette Stadium from Providence on the commuter rail? They might need a shuttle service from the Mansfield and/or Sharon station to Gillette Stadium if there isn't already one.
And don't triple post.
Another major snub: Phoenix. That's probably because of the heat.
The Cardinals have a retractable roof, unless playing indoors in any manner is another deal-breaker with FIFA (the Cardinals play on grass, so that's not an issue)
It's not a dealbreaker, they just require natural grass. kernals12 claims to have me on ignore, so he may not have seen Phoenix was already mentioned further up the thread–or it just doesn't fit with his narrative.
https://www.starsandstripesfc.com/2022/9/27/23375090/report-2026-fifa-world-cup-final-at-t-stadium-jerryworld-usa-ussf-mexico-canada-usmnt
I missed this when it was reported back in September. While there's no official announcement, there appear to be pretty good sources indicating that the 2026 Final will be played at AT&T Stadium in Arlington. The article notes that FIFA wants an indoor location for the final due to potential heat, eliminating MetLife Stadium in the New York area, and some non-specific concerns about the field size at SoFi Stadium in Inglewood, as the reasons for eliminating the nation's two largest metro areas as potential locations.
Also worth noting that if the Bears had decided to build a new stadium in Arlington several years ago, they could have potentially been not only a World Cup site, but the host of the final.
As qualifying has begun or is about to begin for the 2026 World Cup, FIFA announced that the 2030 World Cup will be held in:
Spain, Portugal, Morocco, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay.
Yes, that's right. A three continent World Cup.
I imagine that half the groups play in Europe/Africa, the other half play in South America. Not sure how they pull off the knockout round though.
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 04, 2023, 12:33:52 PM
As qualifying has begun or is about to begin for the 2026 World Cup, FIFA announced that the 2030 World Cup will be held in:
Spain, Portugal, Morocco, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay.
Yes, that's right. A three continent World Cup.
I imagine that half the groups play in Europe/Africa, the other half play in South America. Not sure how they pull off the knockout round though.
The first three matches are in South America to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the first world cup. From then on, everything is in Iberia/Morocco.
Whoever has to play in South America will be at a big disadvantage. Transatlantic travel isn't always something you can just recover from in a few days.
Quote from: US 89 on October 04, 2023, 05:32:16 PM
Whoever has to play in South America will be at a big disadvantage. Transatlantic travel isn't always something you can just recover from in a few days.
I have to imagine that there would be a healthy break after those games. More than just the usual 3-4 days before their next game.
I doubt the U.S. will ever get a shot at ANY World Cup. Everyone else does fine and dandy, but somehow, the U.S. always has to be that laughing stock. The butt of all bad soccer jokes. Their decision-making has been sub-par over these last four to five tours of the World Cup, and they don't have a reliable front line. That's why they always get bumped out during group play and never make it into the main event. The 2026 World Cup won't be any different. An early prediction of an early exit from group play for the U.S.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on October 05, 2023, 10:33:39 AM
I doubt the U.S. will ever get a shot at ANY World Cup. Everyone else does fine and dandy, but somehow, the U.S. always has to be that laughing stock. The butt of all bad soccer jokes. Their decision-making has been sub-par over these last four to five tours of the World Cup, and they don't have a reliable front line. That's why they always get bumped out during group play and never make it into the main event. The 2026 World Cup won't be any different. An early prediction of an early exit from group play for the U.S.
They made it out of the group stage in 2022.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on October 05, 2023, 10:33:39 AM
I doubt the U.S. will ever get a shot at ANY World Cup. Everyone else does fine and dandy, but somehow, the U.S. always has to be that laughing stock. The butt of all bad soccer jokes. Their decision-making has been sub-par over these last four to five tours of the World Cup, and they don't have a reliable front line. That's why they always get bumped out during group play and never make it into the main event. The 2026 World Cup won't be any different. An early prediction of an early exit from group play for the U.S.
Umm.... do you watch soccer? We haven't gotten eliminated in the group stage since 2006. Granted, we didn't make it in 2018, but the last three times we've made it, we've gotten out of the group. In fact, since 1994, we've only gotten eliminated in the group stage three times.
Out front line isn't perfect, sure, but getting Balogun to pledge to the U.S. is a boon as he is a former Arsenal loanee and just signed for Monaco, one of the biggest clubs in France (well, it's in Monaco, but you get the idea.)
Quote from: NWI_Irish96 on October 05, 2023, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on October 05, 2023, 10:33:39 AM
I doubt the U.S. will ever get a shot at ANY World Cup. Everyone else does fine and dandy, but somehow, the U.S. always has to be that laughing stock. The butt of all bad soccer jokes. Their decision-making has been sub-par over these last four to five tours of the World Cup, and they don't have a reliable front line. That's why they always get bumped out during group play and never make it into the main event. The 2026 World Cup won't be any different. An early prediction of an early exit from group play for the U.S.
They made it out of the group stage in 2022.
And in 2014, 2010, 2002 (quarterfinals that year), and 1994.
Quote from: Billy F 1988 on October 05, 2023, 10:33:39 AM
I doubt the U.S. will ever get a shot at ANY World Cup. Everyone else does fine and dandy, but somehow, the U.S. always has to be that laughing stock. The butt of all bad soccer jokes. Their decision-making has been sub-par over these last four to five tours of the World Cup, and they don't have a reliable front line. That's why they always get bumped out during group play and never make it into the main event. The 2026 World Cup won't be any different. An early prediction of an early exit from group play for the U.S.
The current generation are still young and have a lot of confidence. We're not the joke of the world, not by a longshot. Anyone that watches this team outside of the World Cup, where they have to grind out results in front of hostile crowds and in conditions that would make European teams faint, knows they have the grit to carry them forward.
Match schedule for the 2026 World Cup has just been released.
There will be 12 groups of four teams (A-L) playing a single round robin beginning June 11. The top two from each group plus the 8 best third place teams will advance to the knockout round, with the final on July 19 at MetLife Stadium in East Rutherford, NJ. The third-place match will be July 18 at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami Gardens, FL.
The opening match will be June 11 at Estadio Azteca in Mexico City, with Mexico playing their other group stage games in Mexico City and Guadalajara.
The first match for the US will be June 12 at SoFi Stadium in Inglewood, CA. The other US group stage games will be in Inglewood and Seattle.
Canada's first match will be June 12 at BMO Field in Toronto. Canada's other two group stage games will be in Vancouver.
The three hosts will all be seeded in their groups, with the top 9 ranked qualifiers being drawn into the other nine groups.
Seattle will host the USMNT a day after Vancouver hosts the CanMNT. I am definitely considering a back-to-back travel day to see both.
Quote from: Bruce on February 04, 2024, 04:22:22 PM
Seattle will host the USMNT a day after Vancouver hosts the CanMNT. I am definitely considering a back-to-back travel day to see both.
I have to drive over 7 hours just to get to the closest site (Kansas City). I'll try to get tickets for the final, and if the US has any potential knockout round games in KC, I'll try for those too.
Still think it's ridiculous that they couldn't find one site in or within 4 hours of Chicago to host games.
For some reason I thought the format was going to be 16 groups of 3, with the top two from each advancing. Must've just been a rumor. I like 12x4 better because everyone gets more games, but the third place seeding is sure to be crazy. We won't know exactly who's all in the knockout round until the last group match has been played.
3 west coast games for the US is not ideal for most of us, but those matches will be incredibly expensive anyway. I can use that money on two NFL games instead with room to spare.
On the (very) off chance that the Bears complete their currently pending new stadium in time, I wonder if Chicago could be worked into the schedule. It's disappointing that the country's third largest city, the hub of the nation's middle third, won't be hosting.
I'm guessing Dallas and Atlanta will be better options than KC in terms of flight and hotel availability and expense, as well as the quality of the teams playing.
^^ The Bears still hasn't settled on a site and are now considering a site on Chicago's lakefront: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-bears-focus-for-new-stadium-shifts-to-chicago-lakefront/ar-BB1hH3pF
With that, I doubt a new stadium would be completed by then.
Quote from: thspfc on February 04, 2024, 06:47:24 PM
For some reason I thought the format was going to be 16 groups of 3, with the top two from each advancing. Must've just been a rumor. I like 12x4 better because everyone gets more games, but the third place seeding is sure to be crazy. We won't know exactly who's all in the knockout round until the last group match has been played.
3 west coast games for the US is not ideal for most of us, but those matches will be incredibly expensive anyway. I can use that money on two NFL games instead with room to spare.
On the (very) off chance that the Bears complete their currently pending new stadium in time, I wonder if Chicago could be worked into the schedule. It's disappointing that the country's third largest city, the hub of the nation's middle third, won't be hosting.
I'm guessing Dallas and Atlanta will be better options than KC in terms of flight and hotel availability and expense, as well as the quality of the teams playing.
1. The 3-team groups were under serious consideration, but the 2022 World Cup's dramatic group stages allegedly swayed FIFA's hearts. I think the actual reason is that 3-team groups mean that subtle match-fixing can (and would) happen, similar to the infamous Disgrace of Gijón (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gij%C3%B3n) in 1982, where West Germany and Austria played to the exact result needed for both teams to advance at the expense of another group member. As a result, all future FIFA tournaments have the final matchday in a group played simultaneously to prevent this kind of thing from happening again.
2. Seattle has historically been neglected because of our distance from European-based players, our stadium turf, and general apathy from USSF to grow the game in an already "good" market. It's great that FIFA remembered that we create some great atmospheres; everyone else in the country can enjoy a nice late-night kickoff.
3. Chicago wasn't willing to pay ball with the financials that FIFA wanted, so having a completed new stadium would not change the decision. It's pretty much final now.
Quote from: thspfc on February 04, 2024, 06:47:24 PM
For some reason I thought the format was going to be 16 groups of 3, with the top two from each advancing. Must've just been a rumor. I like 12x4 better because everyone gets more games, but the third place seeding is sure to be crazy. We won't know exactly who's all in the knockout round until the last group match has been played.
3 west coast games for the US is not ideal for most of us, but those matches will be incredibly expensive anyway. I can use that money on two NFL games instead with room to spare.
On the (very) off chance that the Bears complete their currently pending new stadium in time, I wonder if Chicago could be worked into the schedule. It's disappointing that the country's third largest city, the hub of the nation's middle third, won't be hosting.
I'm guessing Dallas and Atlanta will be better options than KC in terms of flight and hotel availability and expense, as well as the quality of the teams playing.
One thing unique to a World Cup in the US (even without adding in Canada and Mexico) is the large distances between host cities. Even larger countries like Russia and Brazil had their sites much closer together.
In the 2016 Copa America, teams were sent coast to coast for group stage games and complained about the physical impact on players. For this World Cup, the organizers agreed to keep teams in geographic regions for all their group stages, so the US and the rest of their group will be based on the west coast. The lone exception is Canada, who volunteered for the extra travel in order to play at both Canadian sites.
Glad to see that Gillette Stadium will get a slate of games.