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Author Topic: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction  (Read 13566 times)

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Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
« Reply #75 on: July 01, 2022, 01:37:59 PM »

so cool! i bet we won't see another movement open until much later in the year. looks like a lot of work to be done!
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Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
« Reply #76 on: August 03, 2022, 06:29:46 PM »


Here's the latest drone video, uploaded yesterday, August 2, 2022. Good progress is being made. The project seems to be on schedule, as crews typically are not working nights nor on Sundays, except in certain circumstances.

At the Ohio Street/railroad bridge site on the south leg, preparations are underway to construct the cap for the middle bent. After the cap pours complete, and bearings put in, the placement of beams will soon follow. That will involve major coordination with the railroad, as there will have to be a significant pause of all rail operations at the location. This is a large bridge, crossing both the railroad tracks and Ohio Street. It's completion, expected by the end of October, will be a major turning point for the project, as by then all the bridges of the south leg should be complete or nearly so.

Work also has resumed near the pilings for the bridges the will cross over College Ave. Of the six movements the project involves, perhaps the last to complete will be the shift of I-70 west to I-65 north onto new pavement and bridges, including the bridge over College Ave.




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Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
« Reply #77 on: August 03, 2022, 07:22:06 PM »

Crews don't work nights or Sunday? That helps explain the 18 months of hell that have been the construction of the North Split.

I don't think any construction project has ever been as disruptive to Indianapolis as this one has been. Necessary beyond all belief but I honestly wonder how long it really needed to take to do it. ITB, you may be a good authority on this one. Maybe it's really necessary to take that long of time, if it is then it is and I'm fine with that. But still, 465 on the south side is now a parking lot most of the day. Lots of people, including myself sitting in traffic over an interchange that we don't even go near.

And then, if I want to take 70 east to 65 south through the city (going from the west side to the south side) traffic is backed up because the engineers of this project want all through traffic to be forced on one lane approaching the South Split with two lanes heading off to Washington Street. Add the people taking the on-ramp from West Street onto I-70 east and there are backups every day.

18 long months. I'll be very happy when its over. It will be a very nice interchange and a lot of the conflicts that made traffic bad there will be eliminated. But still....18 months.

I apologize for the rant, you're reporting of construction projects on this forum have been excellent.
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Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
« Reply #78 on: August 03, 2022, 09:09:55 PM »

Crews don't work nights or Sunday? That helps explain the 18 months of hell that have been the construction of the North Split.

I don't think any construction project has ever been as disruptive to Indianapolis as this one has been. Necessary beyond all belief but I honestly wonder how long it really needed to take to do it. ITB, you may be a good authority on this one. Maybe it's really necessary to take that long of time, if it is then it is and I'm fine with that. But still, 465 on the south side is now a parking lot most of the day. Lots of people, including myself sitting in traffic over an interchange that we don't even go near.

And then, if I want to take 70 east to 65 south through the city (going from the west side to the south side) traffic is backed up because the engineers of this project want all through traffic to be forced on one lane approaching the South Split with two lanes heading off to Washington Street. Add the people taking the on-ramp from West Street onto I-70 east and there are backups every day.

18 long months. I'll be very happy when its over. It will be a very nice interchange and a lot of the conflicts that made traffic bad there will be eliminated. But still....18 months.

I apologize for the rant, you're reporting of construction projects on this forum have been excellent.

i believe night work isnt being done because of noise ordinances. so many people live in the area i bet the city just won't allow it. no sunday work? that is weird. 
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Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
« Reply #79 on: August 03, 2022, 09:29:48 PM »

Crews don't work nights or Sunday? That helps explain the 18 months of hell that have been the construction of the North Split.

I don't think any construction project has ever been as disruptive to Indianapolis as this one has been. Necessary beyond all belief but I honestly wonder how long it really needed to take to do it. ITB, you may be a good authority on this one. Maybe it's really necessary to take that long of time, if it is then it is and I'm fine with that. But still, 465 on the south side is now a parking lot most of the day. Lots of people, including myself sitting in traffic over an interchange that we don't even go near.

And then, if I want to take 70 east to 65 south through the city (going from the west side to the south side) traffic is backed up because the engineers of this project want all through traffic to be forced on one lane approaching the South Split with two lanes heading off to Washington Street. Add the people taking the on-ramp from West Street onto I-70 east and there are backups every day.

18 long months. I'll be very happy when its over. It will be a very nice interchange and a lot of the conflicts that made traffic bad there will be eliminated. But still....18 months.

I apologize for the rant, you're reporting of construction projects on this forum have been excellent.

i believe night work isnt being done because of noise ordinances. so many people live in the area i bet the city just won't allow it. no sunday work? that is weird.

I based my night and Sunday work statement on observations via INDOT traffic cams located in or near the construction zone. Whether some work is ongoing during those times, I truly don't know because the cameras don't cover every area. But, to me, it appears it isn't, at least on a regular basis. And, actually, that's a good thing, as it indicates the project seems to be on schedule.

As for how long the project may have taken if all movements were required to remain open, I'm not sure. But, I'd say, at least an additional year. There are 50 bridges in this project. 50! Bridge work takes time. Numerous bridges in the project have had to be knocked down, then built anew, one after the other. It's all very time consuming. Across the country, all sorts of things have been tried to speed up bridge work. In 2019, INDOT oversaw the construction of an I-70 bridge in Wayne County using an accelerated construction technique (link below).

This project still has considerable bridge work remaining. The next couple of months will be crucial. Right now, even though things seem to be going well, some people associated with the project are probably heading home nightly with cases of indigestion, worried about this or that.

To speculate, if INDOT and its contractors had decided to work 24/7 on the project, it's a good bet the project still would have taken 10 months to a year to complete. And, that's with a closure. On average, that would have meant a completed bridge every week. Moreover, there'd be the additional expense to contend with, which might have reached upwards of $100 million or so.

Indiana Accelerated Bridge Construction Case Study

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Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
« Reply #80 on: August 05, 2022, 03:51:26 PM »

I'm a downtown Indy office worker.  The project was underway before I returned to working in the office from the pandemic.   

The daily commute in to downtown has not been horrific.  There are bad days, but there are enough options to getting downtown and enough options once you take any of the 3 exits off the interstate from the East side that it hasn't been bad.  Traffic is heavier now than it was and red line reconstruction has made a mess of Capital, but it is manageable.

The commute home has been miserable since the Pine Street ramp closed a few weeks ago.  Even when the Delaware Street ramp was closed, it was not as bad as it is now.  I guess it is because now all the traffic leaving downtown on 70 East must funnel in to two lanes to head through the north split.  When Delaware was closed but Pine was open, your merge was where there was four lanes well East of the North Split - now it is two lanes.

It has just backed up 11th and Delaware both to near gridlock until well after 6 p.m.   I keep hoping it will get better, but keep ending up heading to 16th street to Roosevelt to Hillsdale to Bloyd under 70 to get on 70 from Rural.  I should try something different tonight.   Maybe after the State Fair ends I can use Fall Creek to Binford - but I hate that commute so much.

Coming from Fishers, I know I will have a miserable Monday morning commute with the reconfiguration of lanes for 69 south to 465 combined with the Allisonville ramp closure - I need to prepare for an hour long commute Monday.  Counting my months until retirement......
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Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
« Reply #81 on: August 05, 2022, 03:55:01 PM »

I'm a downtown Indy office worker.  The project was underway before I returned to working in the office from the pandemic.   

The daily commute in to downtown has not been horrific.  There are bad days, but there are enough options to getting downtown and enough options once you take any of the 3 exits off the interstate from the East side that it hasn't been bad.  Traffic is heavier now than it was and red line reconstruction has made a mess of Capital, but it is manageable.

The commute home has been miserable since the Pine Street ramp closed a few weeks ago.  Even when the Delaware Street ramp was closed, it was not as bad as it is now.  I guess it is because now all the traffic leaving downtown on 70 East must funnel in to two lanes to head through the north split.  When Delaware was closed but Pine was open, your merge was where there was four lanes well East of the North Split - now it is two lanes.

It has just backed up 11th and Delaware both to near gridlock until well after 6 p.m.   I keep hoping it will get better, but keep ending up heading to 16th street to Roosevelt to Hillsdale to Bloyd under 70 to get on 70 from Rural.  I should try something different tonight.   Maybe after the State Fair ends I can use Fall Creek to Binford - but I hate that commute so much.

Coming from Fishers, I know I will have a miserable Monday morning commute with the reconfiguration of lanes for 69 south to 465 combined with the Allisonville ramp closure - I need to prepare for an hour long commute Monday.  Counting my months until retirement......

take the official detour home, NY to Rural and onto 70 E. that should work better.
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Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
« Reply #82 on: August 05, 2022, 07:18:25 PM »

I would be shocked if this project finishes on time. We were told at the beginning of this project that the Pine St ramp to 70 East would stay open the whole project, and that obviously is not the case anymore with its closure. This tells me they are running out of time if they are going back on previous promises. Looking at those videos, I don't see how this will wrap up by November.


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Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
« Reply #83 on: August 05, 2022, 09:54:40 PM »

I wonder if the main movements get done and the exits linger on a bit afterwards? if they don't open it in time wouldn't it run into projects they have already announced on 465? that would be bad!
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Re: The I-65/70 North Split Reconstruction
« Reply #84 on: August 08, 2022, 12:31:27 AM »


On Friday, August 5, 2022, Commissioner Mike Smith — INDOT's top executive — visited the North Split work zone. Undoubtedly, the visit sends a clear message underscoring the importance of the project to INDOT, the state, and the city of Indianapolis. A few pictures of the visit can be viewed here.

Smith was appointed INDOT Commissioner by Governor Eric Holcomb in February 2022. His bio can be accessed here.
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